Military Review

Ministry of Separation

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The increasingly complex military-political situation in the border with Russia abroad increases the relevance of railway projects in the Caucasus, in the Lower Volga region, in the North-West, in Siberia. The need is already high due to the economic development of the territories and interregional economic relations. But most of these projects, developed at the end of 40-x - the beginning of 70-x, are still being postponed indefinitely. Recently this fate befell the Northern Latitudinal Passage, or the Polar Transsib.

There is no need to prove the strategic importance of steel highways and port-railway corridors for strengthening the country's defense capability and, accordingly, ensuring its military-political security. But the transport system of Russia is still full of significant flaws. It is worth remembering at least some canned projects.

The importance of the Priarctic region of the country in ensuring the economic and military security of Russia is difficult to overestimate. Not to mention the colossal resource base of this region. Nevertheless, the construction of the Polar Transsib has already been transferred year after year.
"The parameters of the Northern Latitudinal Railway (NL) will be considered in the second half of October at a meeting of the interdepartmental working group on railway transport issues," said Alexey Chichkanov, Executive Vice President of Gazprombank. And the vice-president of the Union of Railway Builders, Alexei Stepanenko, explained: “The project is sufficiently developed, it is already on the verge of launch. Now it is up to the government to determine the configuration of the concession agreement ”(the project is planned to be implemented in the form of a public-private partnership).

This construction began in 2014, continued, albeit intermittently, in 2015. And then it was actually stopped, mainly for financial reasons. Moreover, the NLR, built at the end of 40-x - the beginning of 50-x, already qualified as a land complement to the Northern Sea Route. And if the NSR, including its port infrastructure and operational, that is, the ship base, is being revived from the beginning of 2000's, then the NLR is alas ...

This is the 800 kilometer highway Chum - Salekhard - Nadym - South Yamal (Bovanenkovo) - Urengoy - Korotchaevo with a branch to the LNG port of Sabbet (West Yamal) and exit in the future (plus 350 – 400 km) to Igarka and further to Norilsk . The total investment capacity of the main project of the NL (Chum - Korotchaevo) project is in excess of 600 billion rubles, the cargo traffic in the third to fourth years of operation is estimated to be at least 30 million tons.

The polar trans-Siberian railway was built, including to Igarka - Norilsk, from 1947, but was directively frozen already at the beginning of April, 1953. Although, we emphasize, even at the turn of 40 – 50-s, experts foresaw the military-strategic importance of the highway, as well as the insufficient transport support for the development of not only northern Siberia and the Far East, but also their links with other regions of the country.

The demand for this artery is due to the implementation of a large LNG project in Yamal and, again, an increase in traffic on the Northern Sea Route. The commissioning of the Chum - Korotchaevo route, according to the latest data from the Russian Railways and the Ministry of Economic Development, is planned no later than 2023. If this term will not be postponed ...

Suspended bridge

Back in 60-x - the beginning of 70-x, projects of Trans-Azov ferry communications of the Rostov region (Taganrog, Azov) and Krasnodar Region (Yeisk, Primorsko-Akhtarsk) with the Crimea were developed. This was required by the already predicted thickening of cargo and passenger traffic in the Taman-Kerch region, due to the development of rail routes to the peninsula through the Kuban. But under pressure from the leadership of the Ukrainian SSR, these projects were rejected.



Today they are even more relevant, in view of the upcoming, moreover, a sharp increase in traffic in the direction of the Crimean bridge and the congestion of the Novorossiysk port-railway junction. But this is the citadel of the Black Sea fleet. And transport blockages are fraught not only with economic consequences.

An equally significant project is the trans-Crimean railway Simferopol-Belogorsk-Vladislavovka (130 km), which makes it possible to shorten the route from Kerch and Feodosia to Yevpatoria and Sevastopol by half in comparison with the current roundabout route through Dzhankoy. This construction was planned for 1949 – 1952 years and started in 1950. But soon the project was stopped under false pretenses.

Probably, intentionally, because the trans-Crimea railway was aimed at the development of economic ties between the Russian Crimea (via Kerch) with Krasnodar, Rostov and other regions of the RSFSR. But the political, economic and legal basis for including the Crimea in the Ukrainian SSR and changing its borders began to be prepared almost immediately after Stalin’s death (“Underground Crimea Lovers”).

The construction of the highway, repeatedly proposed by Russian experts, was rejected by the authorities of the Ukrainian SSR. In 2014, the project was planned for 2015 – 2017 years, but then it was postponed, ostensibly for financial reasons, until 2030. Although it is this artery that will prevent blockages at the entrance-exit to the eastern part of the Crimean Bridge and at the same time increase the throughput of the entire port-railway system of the peninsula. Not to mention the fact that this highway is extremely relevant for operational cooperation between the Sevastopol base and other facilities of the Black Sea Fleet in the region. But if the bridge enters into operation in the next year or two, the trans-Crimea railway will be at best on 2030 ...

Off-road in the border

For economic and geopolitical reasons, projects of the unified railway network in the North Caucasus and its additional “linking” with the Volga region, the Central European part of the Russian Federation and Transcaucasia remain no less relevant. These projects Novorossiysk - Tuapse, Southern Adygea (Khadzhokh) - Sochi, Azov port Achuevo - Slavyansk-na-Kubani, Salsk - Marvelous (Rostov region - the northern Stavropol), Cherkessk - Karachaevsk - Sukhum, Alagir - Tskhinval, Elista - Astrakhan, Budennovsk - Kizlyar. But the exact dates for the implementation of these projects, which were first developed in the first half of 50's - mid-70's, have not been officially announced yet.

Recall once again that the Lower Volga region with the North Caucasus - border areas. Therefore, the developed railway-port network in these regions and the presence of interconnected exits to other regions of the Russian Federation is a two-fold strategic task.

But still the railway tracks to Sochi and Tuapse - exclusively through Krasnodar / Khadyzhensk, and these are extra 150 kilometers. Which in turn aggravates traffic jams at the entrance-exit of the Tuapse port. The problem of almost 100 percent is solved in the presence of the Maykop-Khadzhokh-Sochi railway. To be more precise, the southern sector of our Black Sea coast adjacent to the border of the Russian Federation with Abkhazia is connected with the rest of the country only by the coastal Tuapse-Sochi-Sukhum railroad, which is increasingly overloaded in its Russian section. Until now, the mileage Novorossiysk-Tuapse has been in conservation, the launch of which would provide a direct rail link, we emphasize, along the entire Black Sea coast of the Russian Federation, and connection with the military-political ally - Abkhazia. It is hardly necessary to prove the significance of such a path in geostrategic terms.

It is noteworthy: according to many military leaders of the White movement, the capture by Georgian troops of Sochi, Krasnaya Polyana and Tuapse in 1918 – 1919, as well as the defeat of the Volunteer army in the Black Sea region in 1919 –– the beginning of 1920 –– was due that there was no possibility of operational troop transfer between Tuapse and Novorossiysk due to the lack of a direct railway line. The same flaws were listed in the Nazi military plans (1941 – 1942) as a factor conducive to the seizure by the Wehrmacht of Tuapse, Novorossiysk, the coast between them and the invasion of Georgia (through Abkhazia) along the coast. The situation was saved by the heroism of the defenders of this area.

No less problematic situation with the connection of the border of the Lower Volga region with the North Caucasus. There are two options so far: the super-long-haul route oriented along the Black Sea coast through Rostov-on-Don and the railway from Astrakhan to Derbent (hereinafter referred to Azerbaijan) along the Caspian coast. But, firstly, these highways are not connected with each other, and secondly, with such a configuration, vast territories of the North Caucasus are deprived of additional, and at the same time, the shortest, exits to the Volga region, and to the Caspian Sea, and to the Central European region of the country.

These issues were included in the agenda again at the beginning of 50 and later, but decisions were postponed every time. More precisely, we are talking about railway projects Elista - Astrakhan, Budyonnovsk (north-east of Stavropol) - Kizlyar (near-Caspian region of Dagestan), Salsk-Divnoye (connecting Rostov region with Stavropol and Kalmykia). But these projects remain on paper.

The same with the restoration of the Pskov-Gdov railway (125 km) along the coast of Lake Peipsi. Coming to St. Petersburg (along the current line from Gdov), it is of great strategic importance in connection with the Russian border located not far away with NATO members Latvia and Estonia. In addition, the social and economic development of the adjacent vast areas of the Pskov and Leningrad regions is directly linked to the same highway. But this project is still without movement. But the road worked with 1915-th, and even in the war. The Nazis completely destroyed it in 1944, and the projects of the beginning of 50-x and later on its restoration are still not implemented.

Geostrategic and socio-economic factors are closely interrelated in the country's railway-port system. In the Soviet period, they could be said to be in the background, for the majority of the aforementioned regions were not frontier ones. But with 1991, the geopolitical configuration has changed dramatically. Therefore, the elimination of flaws in the ways of communication cannot be postponed for the distant future.
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  1. Ulan
    Ulan 21 October 2017 15: 21
    20
    And they say Stalin was a poor economist and did not possess strategic thinking.
    These current ones are not suitable for him. Here at one of the forums one ... probably from the victims of the exam, argued that there was nothing to spend money on, so buying American debt obligations was right.
    Such should be forced to read such articles.
    1. d ^ Amir
      d ^ Amir 21 October 2017 15: 59
      +9
      To read??? learn!!!!! but....
      developed back in the late 40s - early 70s

      excluding permafrost ... and now it looks like this:

      You can still see here:
      http://lostcity.info/asia/print:page,1,178-myortv
      aya-doroga-urengoj-igarka.html
      1. Ulan
        Ulan 21 October 2017 16: 39
        16
        Learn of course. Photo, of course permafrost creates additional difficulties, but they are surmountable. Well, each railway requires constant maintenance, maintenance and modernization. Abandoned in the middle lane, they look no better.
        1. d ^ Amir
          d ^ Amir 21 October 2017 16: 53
          +4
          I absolutely agree with you ... and relatively recently it was confirmed .... the road was built not so long ago ...
        2. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 23 October 2017 06: 47
          11
          Quote: Ulan
          permafrost creates additional difficulties

          And what is it, interesting?
          Quote: Ulan
          each railway requires constant maintenance, maintenance and modernization

          Verily.
          And now - about the "permafrost" and "difficulties."
          Permafrost does not create any special difficulties for a piece of iron. Poured over the rubble, and - voila, throw the railroad ties.
          But temperature changes and humidity - yes, the problem.
          A sketch from nature: Norilsk, year 198 *, we, as part of the team of shabashnikov (as it was called during the Union), change the sleepers and straighten the path.
          Sleepers are mostly pine, non-tarred (!!!). Such a tie is worth a season, many two. Then - for a replacement.
          There are also sleepers from larch (rarely, and, as a rule, are put on the arrows). Those are practically eternal, but heavy, their ... mother dear ...
          And also the peasants from the “personnel” said: “winter, frost, we carry a piece of rails (I forgot how it is called by their name ... somehow it’s definitely called), they dropped it ... and the piece into three parts ... "
          Cold brittle steel in action, however.
          And permafrost ... well, that is permafrost. Clay, like clay, only a shovel flies away from it with a ringing, and a pickaxe leaves a hole (and that's all, a piece cannot be broken off). Dig a hole in it - yes, a song without words laughing
          That something like this.
          1. ZVO
            ZVO 23 October 2017 07: 41
            0
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            And permafrost ... well, that is permafrost. Clay, like clay, only a shovel flies away from it with a ringing, and a pickaxe leaves a hole (and that's all, a piece cannot be broken off). Dig a hole in it - yes, a song without words laughing
            That something like this.

            http://my-china.ru/sights_tsinhai_tibet.php
            http://bigpicture.ru/?p=744286
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 23 October 2017 07: 45
              10
              Quote: ZVO
              http://my-china.ru/sights_tsinhai_tibet.php
              http://bigpicture.ru/?p=744286

              Do you have your own words, by any chance?
              Why should I read about the Chinese, who built something there, and look for in this footcloth what you apparently wanted to say?
              1. ZVO
                ZVO 23 October 2017 07: 48
                0
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                Quote: ZVO
                http://my-china.ru/sights_tsinhai_tibet.php
                http://bigpicture.ru/?p=744286

                Do you have your own words, as I understand it?
                Let us read about the Chinese who built something there, and look for in this footcloth what you apparently wanted to say?


                And you have to learn to read ...
                There a little, but it is told. that the construction and, especially, the operation of railways in permafrost conditions is a technologically most complicated process.
                And if you saw only a keel and a shovel and on the basis of this judge the complexity of permafrost, then yes - we do not need to build railway there. Otherwise, everything will break immediately. As soon as people come with a kyle and a shovel and saying "clay. Like clay" ...
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 23 October 2017 08: 26
                  +9
                  Quote: ZVO
                  the construction and, all the more, the operation of railways in permafrost conditions is the most complicated technological process

                  Taaaaaaa ...
                  ... In separate sections, wells filled with liquid nitrogen were also arranged. All these activities are actually frozen embankment under the road, preventing the heating of the upper layer of permafrost, its thawing and subsequent deformation railway track

                  Journalistic nonsense.
                  Under a layer of gravel in 20-30 cm of permafrost (in the same Norilsk, in the same 198 * year) it is located at a depth of 15-20 cm.
                  Around the road (outside gravel - somewhere half a meter-meter.
                  That is, the crushed stone layer is already that very “heat insulator”, as it were.
                  The fact is that the upper layer of permafrost has the ability to thaw in a short summer period, sometimes turning into an impassable swamp

                  Again journalistic nonsense. Permafrost - and because it is eternal, that does not "thaw in the summer."
                  They would have written honestly - “we are building a road through a swamp that freezes for the winter”, and everything would be clear ...
                  In this regard, movement of the soil posed a real threat, which could lead to deformation and destruction of the path. In order to eliminate this risk, the designers of the Qinghai-Tibet Road developed a special scheme for its construction, which actually isolates any environmental impact of the highway and vice versa

                  Well, right ... you can’t do anything else in the swamp. In practice, such a bridge lies only on the ground.
                  Quote: ZVO
                  And if you saw only the pick and the shovel ...

                  Not only. Straightening the path is also scrap, and a vibroshock (for some reason he was called a "fenders"), and jacks, and a master who understands where to raise, lower and where and what to move laughing
                  Quote: ZVO
                  Otherwise, everything will break immediately. As soon as people come with a kyle and a shovel and saying "clay. Like clay" ...

                  Yours to you:
                  Quote: ZVO
                  need to learn to read ..

                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  Clay, like clay, only a shovel flies away from it with a ringing, and a pickaxe leaves a hole (and that's it, do not chip a piece)

                  That is, it’s kind of like clay, but it’s not really, right?
                  Okay. I said what I wanted. Kohl wrong - correct, and throw links without words - this, my friend, bad manners
          2. Ulan
            Ulan 23 October 2017 12: 15
            0
            Rails vary in weight per linear meter. So they are called, for example, R-75 is for a heavy rail track, for the main passages along which heavy trains with a large axle load go.
            Means that running meter of such a rail. weighs 75 kg.
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 23 October 2017 12: 47
              10
              Quote: Ulan
              Rails vary in weight per linear meter. So called, for example, R-75 ...

              Thanks, Cap hi
              However, it turned out funny:
              Quote: Ulan
              Well, of course, permafrost creates additional difficulties

              Quote: Golovan Jack
              And what is it, interesting?

              Quote: Ulan
              Means that running meter of such a rail. weighs 75 kg.

              You answered the wrong question (s) laughing
              1. Ulan
                Ulan 23 October 2017 12: 49
                +1
                There was also about rails- "we carry a piece of rails (here I forgot how it is scientifically called there ... somehow it’s definitely called),"
                ------------------------------
                Much has been written about permafrost without me. smile
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 23 October 2017 13: 36
                  +9
                  Quote: Ulan
                  "we’re carrying a piece of rails (I forgot how it is called scientifically there ... somehow it’s definitely called),"

                  good plus with me laughing
                  And I am a tree, because I didn’t catch up at once ...
                  There it is a piece of rail (not a whole, but a part cut off) that is somehow called. Either "cradle", or "mulka" ... damn it, sclerosis, 30+ years have passed since that.
                  This, in fact, was meant
      2. pin_code
        pin_code 23 October 2017 06: 03
        +1
        I understand that this canvas was laid under Stalin and no one used it. It does not look bad, given that no one exploited it ... and if it was exploited, it would not look like that. What kind of conclusion can be made ,what do you think?
        1. Ulan
          Ulan 23 October 2017 12: 16
          +1
          It would normally look like all the roads that are operated and maintained in accordance with the regulations, technical specifications and instructions.
    2. Proxima
      Proxima 22 October 2017 16: 15
      +2
      Quote: Ulan
      Such should be forced to read such articles.

      Forcing to forcibly wave a Kyle in Solar Magadan - that’s it, just right.
      1. Strategy
        Strategy 22 October 2017 20: 02
        +2
        Why in Magadan? At the construction of the school!
      2. Ulan
        Ulan 23 October 2017 12: 17
        0
        I am for it!
    3. NIKNN
      NIKNN 22 October 2017 16: 29
      +5
      Quote: Ulan
      which ones should be forced to read such articles

      So you need to give a salary in American debt obligations ...
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 22 October 2017 17: 00
        +6
        The Russian Railways parable ... I’m surprised that a long time ago no one thundered into the investigation ... but ... apparently, they didn’t steal everything for their “critical amount”.
        1. NIKNN
          NIKNN 22 October 2017 17: 01
          +3
          Quote: Dead Day
          apparently they didn’t steal a “critical amount”.

          The piggy bank is broken when it is full, and so there is no sense in spoiling the thing ...
        2. Ulan
          Ulan 23 October 2017 12: 21
          +1
          Anyone who came up with this mouse color of rolling stock needs to tear off his head.
          But someone grabbed the dough unnecessarily, this is how much paint is needed to repaint tens of thousands of cars and thousands of locomotives.
          And this new logo, which many read not as Russian Railways, but as PID. Well, further in meaning.
    4. antivirus
      antivirus 22 October 2017 19: 16
      +2
      with the restoration of the Pskov-Gdov railway (125 km) along the coast of Lake Peipsi. Facing St. Petersburg (along the existing line from Gdov), it has important strategic importance in connection with the nearby Russian borders with NATO members Latvia and Estonia
      - ALL RAILWAY LINES HAVE A PERSPECTIVE FOR PAYBACK FROM THE NUMBER OF TRANSPORTATIONS, AND THEY ARE FROM THE NUMBER OF POPULATIONS,
      Now you need to enter ????? excise taxes on condoms "????? and in 30 years there will be something and whom to carry. -------------- The low population density of the Russian Federation leads to the creation of" reservation clusters "according to the Western European model, with their logistics, WITHOUT TAKING INTO OUR INTERESTS (and distances).
      it’s impossible to live with your mind until (?)
  2. Proton
    Proton 21 October 2017 15: 52
    +7
    My native country is wide
    There are many forests, rivers and rivers in it.
    I don’t know any other country like this ... laughing
  3. parusnik
    parusnik 21 October 2017 15: 58
    +4
    It’s a paradox that you can fly from Krasnodar to Astrakhan by plane with a transfer or train as well .. Like there was a meeting of the enterprise’s departments ... taking into account the above, we got on our bus, such as the Temryuk-Novorossiysk-Astrakhan rally ... and back ..
  4. zav
    zav 21 October 2017 16: 14
    +8
    When I was little, I also drew on the map the red lines of the new railway roads. And there were much more of these lines than the author has now listed. But then he learned that all the costs of the national economy should be economically justified. It is clear that when military policy is harnessed, it doesn’t care about the economy. But so far there is no rush. The second caveat: roads for industrialization or for the export of irreplaceable raw materials will serve - these are two big differences. How many industries can be strung on a branch of the Northern latitudinal railway? Apart from serving the export component, then none at all.
    1. Glory1974
      Glory1974 22 October 2017 18: 26
      +1
      all costs of the national economy should be economically justified.

      I absolutely agree with you. nobody needs roads for the sake of roads. Moreover, it is possible to develop transport arteries on new technologies: string transport, monorail, etc.
      Now, if they make a string road along the NSR, yes.
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 22 October 2017 22: 24
        +4
        Quote: glory1974
        I absolutely agree with you. nobody needs roads for the sake of roads. Moreover, it is possible to develop transport arteries on new technologies: string transport, monorail, etc.
        Now, if they make a string road along the NSR, yes.

        This is all bullshit - your string transport. For the transportation of goods, nothing better than railways has yet been invented.
        1. Glory1974
          Glory1974 22 October 2017 22: 33
          0
          This is all bullshit - your string transport.

          some natives of the Pacific islands still think that railroads are bullshit. Nobody will put so much iron on the ground so that iron carts travel on it. And what is better than a cart drawn by a horse for transporting cargo is nothing. laughing
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 22 October 2017 22: 37
            +1
            Quote: glory1974
            some aborigines living on the islands of the Pacific

            Aborigines do not need to transport millions of tons of cargo, they will take their beads and skins on deer.
            And in general, your desire to fall to the level of "aborigines" ... is confusing.
            1. Glory1974
              Glory1974 22 October 2017 22: 41
              0
              Why call breakthrough technologies nonsense? String transport can itself "shoot" in the extreme north. It is much cheaper than the train, loses a little in load capacity, but not critical.
              In addition to freight, it is also passenger. In general, such a concept as the "transport connectivity" of a country that is very critical for Russia due to its large distances.
              1. Setrac
                Setrac 22 October 2017 22: 45
                +3
                Quote: glory1974
                Why call breakthrough technologies nonsense?

                The appearance of deck ships - this was a breakthrough, or the appearance of railways.
                And string transport is an analogue of the railway - only less lifting and more expensive, much more.
                In addition, similar designs have low combat stability.
    2. ZVO
      ZVO 22 October 2017 19: 09
      +1
      Quote: zav
      How many industries can be strung on a branch of the Northern latitudinal railway? Apart from serving the export component, then none at all.


      All is correct. No one.
      For in the conditions of a 9-10 month winter, not a single production will be profitable.
      Not a single one.
      Basically.
      And those. who throws slogans should be sent to the NUR (by the way, Korotchaevo, this is the NUR microdistrict for administrative division, albeit 70 km from the NUR)
      give them 150 thousand rubles each - and let them develop as individual enterprises. Yes, they understand the specifics of the north.
  5. samarin1969
    samarin1969 22 October 2017 15: 16
    +9
    This summer, the Crimean KZD refused to build the Simferopol-Kerch line, but in vain ... The traffic is such that Tauris is unlikely to solve all the problems ... And the reason for the refusal is strange: "In order not to complicate the life of the Dzhankoy station."
    The reasons for the "modesty" of the railway construction of the Russian Federation are understandable. ... The geostrategic interests of the elite of the Russian Federation are far away, trains don’t go there, they fly there.
  6. Normal ok
    Normal ok 22 October 2017 16: 14
    +6
    If you listen to such experts, it seems like it is urgently necessary to implement their recommendations. Moreover, experts from different areas demand the same thing - to urgently invest in their field. And any nasty opinion is perceived as a betrayal and machinations of enemies. But the problem is that the budget is not rubber. If you invest in all of the railway indicated only in this article, then the pensions and salaries of state employees should be abolished altogether. As well as the development of promising weapons, etc. So the government is balancing between what needs to be done and what is possible. So let's drink so that our desires coincide with our capabilities.
    1. SMP
      SMP 22 October 2017 22: 10
      +1
      But the problem is that the budget is not rubber.


      Probably really God loves the trinity.



      If you invest in all of the railway indicated only in this article, then the pensions and salaries of state employees should be abolished altogether


      Is everything right better to invest this money in a NATO country? So yes?
      Already do not blame me for the third screen on this thread, but even write something like laziness.
    2. Ulan
      Ulan 23 October 2017 12: 29
      0
      Is there no money in Russia? You would be careful with such statements. Better say that they are not in those pockets and are not being spent on that.
      Recall that only budget revenues from the state monopoly on alcohol can solve half of the problems from a lack of finance.
      These are not my words, but Stepashin, when he headed the Accounts Chamber.
      It’s less necessary to steal and think more about the development of Russia, and not your own pockets, then there will be enough money for retirement and benefits, and for roads and Mars.
      Russia is one of the richest countries in the world, if not the richest, only fell into the hands of thieves and crooks.
  7. Hurricane70
    Hurricane70 22 October 2017 16: 37
    +6
    They planned the road to Norilsk by 2030 ... But ... Some (federal authorities) planned to finish what was started, others (Norilsk nickels) shouted that the shift method was needed in Norilsk ... Why do shifts go through permafrost, and through swamps to pull? Why is Khloponin hanging around in the government? His Norilsk miners probably still remember with a strong Russian word ... The same is true in everything else ... While the company of the dark-eyed owners of NMMC NN was poking around in the bowels of Mother Russia, they talked about the smoke of the Nickel Plant - garbage, well, we'll pay Canada and so on. fines for the environment, moles will still be punished, as conversations began about the return of Norilsk Nickel to the state, they closed the plant with a moment, it’s old, it smokes !!! Here's another talk about the restoration of a military airfield! It is necessary to cover both the industrial area and the Arctic grouping ... Good deed, maybe the business will move with the railway too! By air, it’s more expensive, although it’s possible with icebreakers ... But the piece of iron is still cheaper!
    1. SMP
      SMP 22 October 2017 22: 06
      +1
      Why is Khloponin hanging around in the government?


      What do you mean why? He proved his dedication to the collapse of Russia, and so that most of the country would not notice it.
  8. maw
    maw 22 October 2017 18: 36
    +1
    Only the construction at the pace of the Yakunin "hacienda", which was slightly more than six hundred square meters, was "justified" economically. wink
  9. antivirus
    antivirus 22 October 2017 18: 49
    +3
    An equally significant project is the Trans-Crimean railway Simferopol-Belogorsk-Vladislavovka (130 km), which makes it possible to cut the route from Kerch and Feodosia to Yevpatoriya and Sevastopol by almost half in comparison with the existing roundabout via Dzhankoy.
    - FOR THIS AND A BRIDGE IN THE SOUTH PART OF THE TAMAN WILL BE BUILT-EMPTY KERCH FOR THE FERRY FROM THE DON AREA
  10. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 22 October 2017 20: 02
    0
    What can you do, "effective managers" still rule the economic bloc of the government!
  11. maxim1987
    maxim1987 22 October 2017 20: 08
    +1
    Quote: Normal ok
    If you listen to such experts, it seems like it is urgently necessary to implement their recommendations. Moreover, experts from different areas demand the same thing - to urgently invest in their field. And any nasty opinion is perceived as a betrayal and machinations of enemies. But the problem is that the budget is not rubber. If you invest in all of the railway indicated only in this article, then the pensions and salaries of state employees should be abolished altogether. As well as the development of promising weapons, etc. So the government is balancing between what needs to be done and what is possible. So let's drink so that our desires coincide with our capabilities.


    may simply not accept olympiads and other entertainments until 2030
    1. SMP
      SMP 22 October 2017 22: 03
      +1
      may simply not accept olympiads and other entertainments until 2030


      I will not be lazy and insert the skin again.



      Or maybe instead of Slovakia invest in your own country?
  12. Roman 11
    Roman 11 22 October 2017 20: 27
    +3
    They are planning a bridge to Sakhalin. What for? Japan tease?

    Money is a limited resource and instead of dumb projects it’s better to do business. It seems that the missing railway lines, although pragmatic, will also not greatly increase efficiency. We need a well-developed trading port in the Black Sea, to reduce export costs, to more convenient dumping and competing in international markets. Offhand in the Taman area, such a port will be in place.

    We do not need railway networks widely scattered across territories, we still will not load them, in Europe broadly branched network, because not such an area. We need trunk networks to make them convenient and economical to maintain.

    Our economy does not fall under more than one model, either by Keynesians or by others. Because of our spaces and an oasis of people, we have a unique model. For example, taxation applies to proportional principle PIT 13% ..... but this is nonsense. This is a Western approach, a progressive, regressive scale.

    It should be territorial tax, i.e. more severe places of residence, but also taxes are small. Is there an incentive? Of course. So the oligarchs are hiding in offshore, well, what's the point if their capital benefits the Virgin Islands? Create with us 1-2 wandering offshore, for example, for a fixed amount from 1 yard of greens to ...... but our money bags will be calmer. Wandering - acting for a while. But how to equip villages in the Far East, for example, the island of Shumshu, the Kuril Islands, can you imagine what kind of a golden island it will become at 1-2% per annum? And the oligarchs will be pleased. For the sake of experiment?

    And yet, in addition to the port project, we need transit transport corridor connecting China with Europe, it is possible to build a test bench 1-2 thousand km or if you like - a transport conveyor. In Japan, high-speed magnetic cushion trains are accelerated to 500-700 km / h. These transport conveyors will most likely be covered, as outrageous speed. Of course it takes time and money, but it is better than the Sakhalin bridge. If the stand is successful, it will be economic upheaval, since this way will impose competition on maritime trade between Asia and Europe, and in the future America, reducing the time for transporting goods by sea. If successful, you can also expect assistance in the construction of Chinese exporters, and in the future, Japanese. In general, there is something to think about, most importantly mobile platforms should be light (aluminum, durable composites, something else?) And high-speed, accelerating by km 500 or more. And of course take place in remote places, without stations, only repair branches for emergency trains. Such a sketch.
    1. user
      user 22 October 2017 21: 53
      +2
      Of course it takes time and money, but it is better than the Sakhalin bridge.


      You probably can hardly find Sakhalin on the map, but think strategically. This is to the fact that you can fight on a globe, but not knowing the local conditions and the possibilities to make such a statement, at least it's stupid. If we do not transfer our economic aspirations to the Far East now, then, as one famous character says, “we will remain with our own people”. The consumption market of our products in that region is much larger than the EU market, and energy consumption exceeds all of our production and production volumes, and there is no Malacca Strait and other bottlenecks between the Russian Federation and prospective consumers. Those. this market is larger and more promising than the US and EU markets combined.
      1. Ulan
        Ulan 23 October 2017 12: 34
        0
        Therefore, to develop the Northern Sea Route and the land transport corridor. But this does not deny the need to build local roads.
        The more extensive the transport network, the faster the movement of goods.
      2. Roman 11
        Roman 11 23 October 2017 14: 00
        0
        Quote: user
        The consumption market of our products in that region is much larger than the EU market

        How does the Sakhalin bridge contribute to the marketing of our products? What besides oil and gas, which already do not need a bridge, are there more products? Coal? And where to export it? To Japan? Will the Japanese build a bridge? And why to transport coal to Japan (if it is vital) to build a bridge to Sakhalin?

        Quote: user
        The consumption market of our products in that region is much larger than the EU market

        And why exactly ours? The Pacific Basin is not limited to the Sakhalin Island. Prove that this bridge is necessary for the country, what unusual minerals are you planning to transport from the island? Is our ferry boat overloaded?

        Quote: user
        and energy consumption exceeds all our volumes of production and production

        And how will the bridge contribute to their production?



        You grabbed like stupid Kremlin uncles (stupid, because our one of the richest countries lives and depends in many respects on other countries, people in poverty, oligarchs do not bring benefit, except symbolic philanthropy, etc.) to the bridge, but the effect of this does not can you imagine. Yes, the Russian bridge was needed for the island, this contributed to the development of Vladivostok ..... there was a return, but still now it is not the 2nd Singapore, it does not live very shaky. Is there no economic boom there for some reason?

        Quote: user
        Those. this market is larger and more promising than the US and EU markets combined.


        Perhaps more, but the golden billion lives mainly not in Asia, although I agree that the population is large. Nobody knows what will happen next, what will be there, especially in the light of the tension with the DPRK is unknown. Investing in Asia in such a situation is short-sighted ... in the current situation, the money will most likely return to their native land - somewhere in Swiss banks, they like silence.
  13. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 22 October 2017 21: 22
    +1
    Not everyone in 37 was cleaned up. Over 80 years, 3 generations of "extravagant" has grown. Sachepyzhnik has grown thoroughly!
  14. SMP
    SMP 22 October 2017 21: 59
    +3
    The value of the Arctic region of the country It is hard to overestimate Russia's economic and military security. Not to mention the colossal resource base of this region. Nevertheless, the construction of the Polar Trans-Siberian Railway has been postponed for several years.


    I did not read further.



    Maybe I don’t understand something, or in Russia one billion euro is extra for the country's security?
    I am becoming more and more convinced that Putin is not much different from Chubais, so he does not fire him.

    That would be such propaganda in the USSR and during the time of Brezhnev, and no one would put Gorbachev.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 22 October 2017 23: 42
      0
      Here the keyword - can - enclose.
  15. Dark_Filin
    Dark_Filin 23 October 2017 09: 37
    0
    A road that is ordinary, that railway - does not exist by itself. This is the solution to the problem of supplying something. At the same time, it’s not enough to build by dumping big grandmothers into it (permafrost, on the other hand). These are annual maintenance costs, which, due to the climate and location, are several times more (if not an order of magnitude) than the same road somewhere under Oryol.
    The question is - will it give the state so much benefit to recoup the costs?
    In general, judging by the names of the cities, these are the needs of Gazprom rather than the military. And he will partially pay for it. Reading about the fact that this road has not been implemented in the USSR for 40-50 years (with 40's in the article) - the question of whether it is necessary for the state is open. True, the USSR had incomparably greater capabilities in aviation, and then they did not sell kerosene to themselves at world prices ...