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Putin promised an instant and mirror response to the US withdrawal from the INF Treaty

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If the US withdraws from the Treaty on Medium and Shorter-Range Missiles (INF), Russia will respond instantly and mirror, President Vladimir Putin said.


We just leveled the situation now. If this is not pleasant and someone has a desire to withdraw from the contract in general, the American partners, on our part, the answer will be instant. I want to say this - instant. And mirror
- conveys the words of Putin RIA News".

Putin promised an instant and mirror response to the US withdrawal from the INF Treaty


He recalled that the United States still has both sea-based and air-launched missiles, that is, the Soviet side carried out unilateral disarmament, which is why it is said that Russia leveled the situation. Russia will abide by the treaty as long as its partners comply.

Putin also said that during the elimination of medium and short-range missiles, "the chief designer committed suicide because he considered it a betrayal of his own country."

But it is tragic. историяlet's turn it over
- the president added. At the same time, he explained that Russia could be tempted to withdraw from the INF Treaty, if Russia did not have the newest aviation and sea-based missiles.

Recently, we have often heard accusations that Russia is violating this treaty, it is developing something. Maybe it would be such a temptation if we did not have air and sea-based missiles. now we have
- Putin said.

11 October, the Foreign Ministry said that the United States did not provide any real evidence of any violations of the INF Treaty by Russia.
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© RIA News / Grigory Sysoev
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  1. SRC P-15
    SRC P-15 19 October 2017 19: 24 New
    28
    Putin does not throw his words into the wind!
    1. Zibelew
      Zibelew 19 October 2017 19: 37 New
      57
      We will see. "The chief designer committed suicide because he considered it a betrayal of his own country." "... So it was a betrayal of the country and people.
      1. hrych
        hrych 19 October 2017 19: 58 New
        34
        Oka has become a more advanced Iskander. The pioneer went further and became the universal Frontier, if desired, reaching the ICBM range. With KR everything is fine, though the satellites are hung for this. The same PU Iskander - something, and mobility, and versatility because the Kyrgyz Republic is possible. The work of the Great Patriot was not lost, but he hastened, for now he would have guessed very much at home crying
        1. LiSiCyn
          LiSiCyn 19 October 2017 21: 55 New
          +5
          hi It came in handy from the word fit ... But it was guessed from the word bastard stop
          1. not main
            not main 19 October 2017 23: 42 New
            +2
            Quote: LiSiCyn
            hi It came in handy from the word fit ... But it was guessed from the word bastard stop

            Well, the wrong button (how many interjections) pressed the button, so what?
      2. Partyzan
        Partyzan 19 October 2017 20: 07 New
        21
        Quote: Zibelew
        "The chief designer committed suicide because he considered it a betrayal of his own country."

        humpbacked and ebn in the next world will still answer hi
        1. Zibelew
          Zibelew 19 October 2017 20: 15 New
          10
          Advertising to you from Gorbachev. He is fine now. Retired President of the Super Power ...
          1. Partyzan
            Partyzan 19 October 2017 20: 18 New
            14
            Quote: Zibelew
            Advertising to you from Gorbachev

            do you have a conscience? I love pizza, and now what should I do? sadist sad
            1. Lord
              Lord 19 October 2017 21: 18 New
              +2
              Quote: Partyzan
              I love pizza, and now what should I do?

              Pizza is not patriotic. laughing
            2. Nyrobsky
              Nyrobsky 20 October 2017 00: 04 New
              10
              Quote: Partyzan
              do you have a conscience? I love pizza, and now what should I do? sadist

              Yes, just rename it to “Italian Pie” and taste 100 grams of Russian vodka without limiting yourself in the volume of the pie. wink
            3. dubovitskiy.1947
              dubovitskiy.1947 20 October 2017 00: 27 New
              +5
              Quote: Partyzan
              Quote: Zibelew
              Advertising to you from Gorbachev

              do you have a conscience? I love pizza, and now what should I do? sadist sad

              Watch this ad more often. Nausea reflexes will develop and you will be on the path to recovery.
            4. cedar
              cedar 20 October 2017 06: 55 New
              +2
              Partyzan
              do you have a conscience? I love pizza, and now what should I do? sadist sad


              Go to our delicious, stuffed pancakes.
              We are what we eat ... See the root.
              1. Partyzan
                Partyzan 20 October 2017 10: 42 New
                +5
                Quote: cedar
                We are what we eat ... See the root.

                I also love potato pancakes good drinks
        2. stas
          stas 19 October 2017 21: 40 New
          +2
          And you will be in paradise in the next world.
          If there was hell, EBN would not have come to power.
          1. Partyzan
            Partyzan 20 October 2017 10: 43 New
            +5
            Quote: stas
            And you will be in paradise in the next world.

            I don’t know this request
        3. forester
          forester 19 October 2017 21: 50 New
          +3
          Quote: Partyzan
          Quote: Zibelew
          "The chief designer committed suicide because he considered it a betrayal of his own country."

          humpbacked and ebn in the next world will still answer hi

          I want these two subjects to be in their ADU, or else in ours, then raw firewood, then shit would not give a ride.
      3. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 19 October 2017 22: 51 New
        0
        Who is this constructor?
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 20 October 2017 00: 32 New
          18
          Quote: voyaka uh
          chief designer committed suicide

          Gardeners. In the 90th he shot himself. Oku (Spaider SS-23) was created under his leadership.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 20 October 2017 02: 05 New
            +8
            Quote: mordvin xnumx
            Gardeners. In the 90th he shot himself. Oku (Spaider SS-23) was created under his leadership.

            Uh, sorry people, I'm lying a little. And Putin ommanuli too. He was the general director, but not the chief designer. Hit Vika, she stirs up water. crying
          2. iouris
            iouris 20 October 2017 02: 20 New
            +3
            Even under the leadership of Beria did not shoot. More than one defense scientist avenged.
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 20 October 2017 03: 18 New
              +6
              I fumbled a bit on tyrnet, at the prompt of the Old. Oka was created in Kolomna, and was already produced under the direction of Sadovnikov. But Sadovnikov had previously been the chief designer of the Izhevsk Mechanical Plant. Here is such a confusion. Those. as the chief designer - he had nothing to do with missiles.
        2. Settlement Oparyshev
          Settlement Oparyshev 20 October 2017 10: 45 New
          +1
          Nadiradze died, I don’t remember the name of the patronymic. The ingenious designer was the Pioneers, before them TEMPOV.
    2. RASKAT
      RASKAT 19 October 2017 19: 41 New
      22
      I think the very next day after that, we will be armed with calibers for the ground forces and Iskander sharply learn to fly a couple of thousand kilometers, possibly even ballistic missiles bully .
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 19 October 2017 19: 45 New
        +3
        Quote: RASKAT
        I think the very next day after that, we will be armed with calibers for the ground forces and Iskander sharply learn to fly a couple of thousand kilometers, possibly even ballistic missiles

        That is precisely why the USA will bring this “next day” closer and be afraid! yes
        1. Kasym
          Kasym 19 October 2017 20: 59 New
          +7
          Since GDP speaks for "instantaneous", then everything is ready to assemble and test the rocket.
          "Mirror" - where the United States will deploy its INF. And this, most likely, Europe and Japan with South Korea will be under the gun. Satellites have something to scratch their turnips.hi
          All that remains is the question. Will the Russian INF in Lat. America?
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 19 October 2017 23: 47 New
            +5
            All new ground-based airborne and sea-based RSDs are ready for five years now - just give a command - “Put”
            1. Kasym
              Kasym 20 October 2017 16: 11 New
              +2
              Vadim, the INF Treaty refers only to ground-based complexes. Therefore, Caliber and X-555, X-101 work - they are not ground.
              Gauges and all related equipment will be put on wheels and tracks. hi
          2. kuznec
            kuznec 20 October 2017 07: 03 New
            +2
            The only question remains: are they already there? )))
          3. jonht
            jonht 20 October 2017 08: 36 New
            +3
            So, like Cuba, it is again not against hosting our base ... laughing
        2. dauria
          dauria 19 October 2017 22: 27 New
          +5
          That is precisely why the USA will bring this “next day” closer and be afraid!


          The states just do not give a damn about the "instant and mirror response." This will affect only Europe. But it’s bad for us - the flight time is up to 4 minutes. Well, if in Cuba, then it’s really “mirror”
      2. Alexander 3
        Alexander 3 19 October 2017 19: 45 New
        +2
        I think now no one will go unpunished, if that.
      3. hrych
        hrych 19 October 2017 19: 47 New
        +2
        so correctly, either a quasi-ballistic or ballistic trajectory, a half-ton high-explosive, or a 100 kilogram nuclear charge. Reserves have a place to be good
      4. tol100v
        tol100v 19 October 2017 19: 55 New
        +1
        Quote: RASKAT
        I think the very next day after that, we will be armed with calibers

        They just need to be transferred from the pontoon to the tracked one!
      5. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 19 October 2017 22: 56 New
        +2
        "I think the very next day after that, we will be armed with the Gauges ...." ///
        --- ''
        But they still will not reach the United States.
        And the United States will again deploy in Europe its ballistic missiles like Pershing-2, which quickly cover the mines and bases of Russian ICBMs.
        This has already passed. Then the USSR asked for a treaty on the Belorussian Liberation Revolution, since the whole idea of ​​a “retaliation strike” in the United States failed.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 19 October 2017 23: 50 New
          +1
          Well then, in contrast to these new Pershing, we will put the Anteyev 4500 divisions closer to the border.
        2. dubovitskiy.1947
          dubovitskiy.1947 20 October 2017 01: 15 New
          +9
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Pershing-2

          The maximum range of Pershing is 2 1770 km.
          Discontinued on July 6, 1989.
          You have not been taught anything at school. You don’t know geography at all. Our ICBMs are located mainly in the Urals, Altai and Eastern Siberia. What is in the European part will fly to your friends in Germany, Poland, France, England. Balts will die of one fear. And from the consequences.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 20 October 2017 09: 15 New
            +5
            For connoisseurs of geography smile : ICBM Yars deployed in the Kaluga region.
            Once again: the SLBM treaty is not a US initiative. It was proposed precisely by the USSR.
        3. jonht
          jonht 20 October 2017 08: 38 New
          +2
          I will upset you, from Chukotka to the lung ..... Alaska and several northern states, plus almost all of Canada.
      6. Uryukc
        Uryukc 20 October 2017 08: 01 New
        +2
        In addition, it suddenly turns out that on our multipurpose nuclear submarines, launchers can be instantly converted for promising medium-range missiles))
    3. Alex777
      Alex777 19 October 2017 20: 00 New
      +8
      In the process, the Yankees had long planned to withdraw from the INF Treaty. And their missile defense in Romania and Poland are links in this chain. But the fact that we quickly caught up and repeatedly demonstrated the effectiveness of our "sea-based" missiles was unexpected. So they scratch in Washington - it’s time to wait or else. Because container Gauges are not massively made just because of the INF Treaty. And this, I believe, is hinted at by GDP. Turn around and catch containers all over the country. Not much worse than the "nuclear train" topic will work. Much less noticeable and cheaper.
      We are better off so that the “partners” are not in a hurry. There are still many other tasks where money is needed. hi
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 19 October 2017 21: 06 New
        +4
        Quote: Alex777
        And this, I believe, is hinted at by GDP.

        Are you talking about container-based CLAB-K? But I think that we are talking about Status-6.
        1. jonht
          jonht 20 October 2017 08: 40 New
          +2
          Status-6 is not subject to any contract, and therefore has no restrictions ....
    4. Sharansky
      Sharansky 19 October 2017 20: 45 New
      13
      Quote: SRC P-15
      Putin does not throw his words into the wind!

      tochnik. And GDP doubled, and created 25 million new jobs, and much more.
      1. Colleague
        Colleague 20 October 2017 10: 08 New
        0
        Go to Israel - it’s getting better and tastier there
    5. Franciscan
      Franciscan 19 October 2017 22: 11 New
      +4
      Oh well, what about the promise to protect Donbas?
    6. BecmepH
      BecmepH 20 October 2017 05: 54 New
      +1
      Quote: SRC P-15
      Putin does not throw his words into the wind!

      I would not be so categorical
    7. iouris
      iouris 20 October 2017 11: 37 New
      0
      Quote: "I didn’t waste words there in vain, where you need to use power."
  2. Komsomol
    Komsomol 19 October 2017 19: 25 New
    +8
    Well, that's right, EVERYTHING said-
    Maybe there would be such a temptation if we didn’t have air and sea-based missiles. now we have
    - Putin said.
  3. Herculesic
    Herculesic 19 October 2017 19: 27 New
    10
    Vladimir Vladimirovich, is the US response to the seizure of our property being planned in the foreseeable future, or even in general, sometime? Maybe it’s enough to substitute the cheeks, is it time to deliver a preemptive blow from the shoulder to the Bosko in response to swings? sad
    1. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 19 October 2017 19: 51 New
      +2
      Quote: Herkulesich
      Maybe it’s enough to substitute the cheeks, is it time to deliver a preemptive blow from the shoulder to the Bosko in response to swings?

      It seems that the GDP itself taught: “if there is no way out, hit first” (I do not vouch for the accuracy of the quote repeat) And how do words relate to deeds?
      1. Partyzan
        Partyzan 19 October 2017 20: 12 New
        +5
        Quote: Vasyan1971
        It seems that the GDP itself taught: “if there is no way out, hit first”

    2. Colleague
      Colleague 20 October 2017 10: 09 New
      0
      They are already being put up as clowns, what else do you want?
  4. Settlement Oparyshev
    Settlement Oparyshev 19 October 2017 19: 35 New
    13
    I have never seen reports that the United States destroyed its medium-sized missiles. And the hunchback blew up all my 45s and 53 at the Semipalatinsk test site. So far I have very simple feelings for the hunchback. The difference is that the Votkinsky will have to do everything for new, and the American, just roll out of the warehouses. That's the difference.
    1. pvv113
      pvv113 19 October 2017 19: 40 New
      16
      Quote: pp to Oparyshev
      Until now, I have very simple feelings for a hunchback.

      I agree with you, many in the country have feelings for Humpback
      1. Settlement Oparyshev
        Settlement Oparyshev 19 October 2017 19: 43 New
        +2
        These feelings interfere with enlightenment, blind the mind and give the mind restlessness.
        1. pvv113
          pvv113 19 October 2017 19: 46 New
          +8
          So I wish him so much happiness that Humpback suffocated from him
      2. Partyzan
        Partyzan 19 October 2017 20: 15 New
        +9
        Quote: pvv113
        I agree with you, many in the country have feelings for Humpback

        1. Tusv
          Tusv 19 October 2017 20: 25 New
          +1
          Quote: Partyzan
          And there are spots in the sun

          Already 2 weeks in the sun, not a speck. Fact! Isn't the Light correcting itself? hi
          1. Partyzan
            Partyzan 19 October 2017 20: 47 New
            +7
            Quote: Tusv
            Already 2 weeks in the sun, not a speck. Fact! Isn't the Light correcting itself?

            Do not jinx it, maybe the horned ones will still be taken away? drinks
        2. pvv113
          pvv113 19 October 2017 20: 32 New
          16
          My will, I would organize a lifetime eclipse for this sun
          1. Partyzan
            Partyzan 19 October 2017 20: 49 New
            +7
            namesake hi
            Quote: pvv113
            My will, I would organize a lifetime eclipse for this sun

            only posthumous, nefig sky smoke negative
            1. pvv113
              pvv113 19 October 2017 21: 08 New
              +3
              The posthumous will have time. Let it work for the good of the country that I tried to ditch
            2. den3080
              den3080 19 October 2017 22: 10 New
              +2
              I looked at him recently at the presentation of his book, on the news))
              inspired by the movie "The Mystery of the Third Planet": Do not believe it! This is Glod from the planet Katruk!
              but in general he became like the old one for ..up, that's nothing more, nothing less, only with eyes))
          2. iouris
            iouris 20 October 2017 11: 45 New
            +2
            Since "Russia does not have national interests," he is a Nobel laureate, and you stay there.
            1. pvv113
              pvv113 20 October 2017 12: 11 New
              +2
              Unfortunately, any wrong individuals, as they say without expression, become Nobel laureates
      3. novobranets
        novobranets 20 October 2017 05: 26 New
        +7
        Quote: pvv113
        many in the country have feelings for Humpback

        Moreover, these feelings are very strong, and from the bottom of my heart.
        1. pvv113
          pvv113 20 October 2017 08: 00 New
          +4
          Would have to wait for him to be awarded wink
          1. novobranets
            novobranets 20 October 2017 08: 18 New
            +2
            Quote: pvv113
            Would have to wait for him to be awarded

            I would take part in this with great pleasure. am
            1. pvv113
              pvv113 20 October 2017 08: 20 New
              +5
              There will probably be a national holiday
    2. Muvka
      Muvka 19 October 2017 19: 41 New
      +2
      Well, I would not say. Everything in our world eventually deteriorates. Especially rockets.
      1. Herculesic
        Herculesic 19 October 2017 19: 46 New
        +2
        Well, yes, and the designers of these missiles, too, see "they become worthless," since people are losing hope because of hopelessness? ?? sad
        1. Muvka
          Muvka 19 October 2017 19: 51 New
          +1
          And how what you wrote refers to the fact that the missiles that were produced in the early 80s are now corny unsuitable for use. They are almost 40 years old.
          1. Herculesic
            Herculesic 19 October 2017 19: 56 New
            +1
            And in my opinion, no one canceled the modernization of missiles! And even more so, you yourself know, some of the missiles have overtaken their time for a long time, and have no in the West, and we still have analogues, the same "stylet or satan", for example! hi
            1. Muvka
              Muvka 19 October 2017 20: 16 New
              +1
              Modernization of missiles that are in stock? Which can not be used under the contract? Seriously? In order to modernize such things, projects are needed, but this cannot be hidden from intelligence.
              1. dubovitskiy.1947
                dubovitskiy.1947 20 October 2017 01: 28 New
                +4
                Quote: Muvka
                Modernization of missiles that are in stock? Which can not be used under the contract? Seriously? In order to modernize such things, projects are needed, but this cannot be hidden from intelligence.

                You do not know. The contracts indicate the number of carriers and charges. If you do not change, then you can do anything with the existing ones.
                Furthermore. Nuclear charges cannot be stored for long. They are self-heating, processes are going on there, and they are kept in refrigerators. There is a release of radon, and other muck, which must be removed from the ammunition, and disposed of. This is all fonit. Tritium fusion generally does not last long, because its half-life is several years. So, the reduction of charges (we had only tactical had more than 50 thousand of all kinds) is a blessing. Not a cosmic quantity is needed, but sufficient. The matter is different with strategists and we have the opportunity to increase their number by several hundred, within the limits of the contract. Americans must cut back within the same treaty. Replacing charges from uranium to plutonium is an inevitable thing. Plutonium is more active in this matter, it needs less than 5 times at the same power. And this means that on one carrier you can hang up to 5 times more heads with the same starting weight. Or use smaller rockets on light heads. Or increase the range of the same rocket, because the head is lighter.
                1. Nikolaevich I
                  Nikolaevich I 20 October 2017 03: 48 New
                  +2
                  But did missiles with uranium warheads still remain in service? .....
                  1. dubovitskiy.1947
                    dubovitskiy.1947 20 October 2017 10: 14 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Nikolaevich I
                    But did missiles with uranium warheads still remain in service? .....

                    The question, of course, is interesting. I think there are some. They are simpler. And, most importantly, this thing is less harmful in the manufacture and storage. Plutonium exists simultaneously not only in metal foorm, but also gaseous. This is called emanation. When a solid substance without melting and evaporation goes directly into the gas. Gaseous plutonium is more toxic than cobra venom 50 thousand times. Read somewhere. that a spray can the size of a deodorant sprayed into the Pentagon’s ventilation system will kill all (25 thousand) employees in a few minutes. The mass of this can is so small that it does not cause a chain reaction, and is almost not detected by the sensors.
                    1. Nikolaevich I
                      Nikolaevich I 23 October 2017 15: 43 New
                      +1
                      Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
                      Plutonium exists simultaneously not only in metallic form, but also in gaseous form.

                      I didn’t know about this, somehow I didn’t pay attention that there was such an infa. And about the terrible poisonousness ... it’s not in vain that it says: if you can’t, but really want (really needed), then it’s possible! the parameter that is needed at this time and in this situation, despite other shortcomings ... In modern armament, the concept of reducing the overall weight characteristics of devices prevails ... Take something interesting .. the type of an intercontinental strategic missile ... If there is a missile defense It is dreamy that each ICBM that has broken through could destroy zheskie half of the state ... means to equip a combat unit (which is not a "rubber") ICBMs as possible a large number of combat nuclear units. And also it is necessary to add false goals (and it is also desirable, more and more efficiently) ... and with this engine to achieve a given distance ... Well, what to choose? Uranium (cr.mass-50 kg), ali plutonium (5 kg)?
    3. Yngvar
      Yngvar 20 October 2017 05: 26 New
      +2
      P-ku Oparyshev: I agree with you! Himself in the 90th in Sary Ozek had to deal with such a thing, sawed and torn with tears ... And after all, the land of this reptile bears!
  5. steelmaker
    steelmaker 19 October 2017 19: 38 New
    +3
    Tomatoes get off again!
    1. Herculesic
      Herculesic 19 October 2017 19: 48 New
      +6
      Steel-maker hi -We punished them terribly -Sold them a C400, for our same creed! ! belay
      1. Tusv
        Tusv 19 October 2017 20: 28 New
        +6
        Quote: Herkulesich
        we punished them terribly-sold them C400, for ours is a creed! !

        Since when is an advance payment considered a loan issued?
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 19 October 2017 21: 07 New
          12
          Quote: Tusv
          Quote: Herkulesich
          we punished them terribly-sold them C400, for ours is a creed! !

          Since when is an advance payment considered a loan issued?

          You are trying to speak a smart language with a person who cannot correctly write the words “credit” ...
          I would personally ... abstain.
          1. Tusv
            Tusv 19 October 2017 21: 22 New
            +2
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            You are trying to speak a smart language with a person who cannot correctly write the words “loan” ..

            Oops, but I’m not kicking. recourse So the interlocutors taught that they are sufficiently educated people. Well, I’ll clarify that Debit is on the left, and Credit is on the right. The loan has an emphasis on the last syllable, and an advance payment on the first. Well, in general subtleties drinks
        2. dubovitskiy.1947
          dubovitskiy.1947 20 October 2017 01: 33 New
          +1
          Quote: Tusv
          Quote: Herkulesich
          we punished them terribly-sold them C400, for ours is a creed! !

          Since when is an advance payment considered a loan issued?

          This is where Toka infa? What is the advance payment? Have you believed Ergodan? Well, give ....
  6. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 19 October 2017 19: 47 New
    +5
    "Putin has promised an instant and mirror-like response to the US withdrawing from the INF Treaty."
    But do we have specialists in the "instant" response? Somehow, they mostly swing for six months. Either they save courage, or fighting anger .. request angry
    1. 79807420129
      79807420129 19 October 2017 19: 55 New
      +6
      Quote: Vasyan1971
      do we have experts in the "instant" response? Somehow, they mostly swing for six months. Either they save courage, or fighting anger ..

      And then Vasily will not be up to diplomacy request Pershing 2 in Europe and the Baltic states is not good, or rather, good is not at all hi You will have to react instantly and not in six months. hi
      1. Vasyan1971
        Vasyan1971 19 October 2017 22: 09 New
        +1
        Well, God forbid!
    2. Herculesic
      Herculesic 19 October 2017 19: 59 New
      +6
      Vasyan1971 -so the main thing is to promise! what We will invite them to the Kremlin, give some order! What is worse for Trump than getting an order in the Russian Kremlin - just getting a reprimand at the Lubyanka! !!
      1. Vasyan1971
        Vasyan1971 19 October 2017 22: 08 New
        +1
        Quote: Herkulesich
        What is worse for Trump than getting an order in the Russian Kremlin - just getting a reprimand at the Lubyanka! !!

        Yes, they lynch him right in the oval office! good
    3. tol100v
      tol100v 19 October 2017 19: 59 New
      +3
      Quote: Vasyan1971
      Either they save courage, or fighting anger.

      Unlike so many haste, they slowly descend into the valley ....!
      1. Vasyan1971
        Vasyan1971 19 October 2017 22: 05 New
        +1
        Quote: Tol100v
        Unlike so many haste, they slowly descend into the valley ....!

        And all of them all right? belay
    4. In100gram
      In100gram 19 October 2017 21: 14 New
      +2
      Quote: Vasyan1971
      But do we have specialists in the "instant" response? Somehow, they mostly swing for six months. Either they save courage, or fighting anger ..

      The answer is already there. Only need to adapt to ground-based. And this is much easier than adapting the land complex to the sea.
      1. citizen242
        citizen242 19 October 2017 21: 42 New
        +1
        We have everything, just a little bit to do, modify, finish. Aamers will wait
        1. In100gram
          In100gram 19 October 2017 21: 46 New
          +2
          Quote: citizen242
          We have everything, just a little bit to do, modify, finish. Aamers will wait

          While they will be placed near our borders, we will have time. Little. The container version of Caliber is already there. It remains to change the rocket in the launcher. hi
          1. Vasyan1971
            Vasyan1971 19 October 2017 22: 04 New
            +2
            Quote: In100gram
            It remains to change the rocket in the launcher.

            It remains to slap these missiles in sufficient quantities.
      2. Yngvar
        Yngvar 20 October 2017 05: 32 New
        +3
        I suppose that the land-based version was worked out at the design stage ... The contract is an agreement, but the tobacco must be kept dry!
  7. TsUS-Air Force
    TsUS-Air Force 19 October 2017 20: 04 New
    +3
    let all of our submarines located off the coast of America for a moment come to the surface. To cool the fervor of the Russian Railways.
  8. XXXIII
    XXXIII 19 October 2017 20: 11 New
    +3
    So everything like who already could come out ?! And we are already experiencing Sarmatians .... old news chtol .... what
  9. dim7ka
    dim7ka 19 October 2017 20: 42 New
    +1
    And which GK missile shot itself? Or is it about the director of the Votkinsk plant?
  10. Technician72
    Technician72 19 October 2017 20: 49 New
    +2
    Quote: SRC P-15
    Putin does not throw his words into the wind!

    Oh?
    1. citizen242
      citizen242 19 October 2017 21: 32 New
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      The dog barks the caravan goes on. )))
  11. sauvage
    sauvage 19 October 2017 21: 01 New
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    We just leveled the situation now. If you don’t like it and someone has a desire to withdraw from the contract in general, the American partners, on our part the answer will be instant. I want to say this - instantly. And mirrored ......... He emphasized that the answer will be instant and mirrored, which means that many will save their nerves and health.
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    2. Alexey g
      Alexey g 20 October 2017 00: 09 New
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      Quote: Sergey Fomin
      all this empty.
      I watched completely his performance. It is more like the whining of a downcast boy.
      Briefly, the essence of the speech: “Yeltsin and I allowed you Americans to secret nuclear facilities, destroyed your main nuclear potential and chemical weapons, and you say roll a barrel at me”
      "And the Americans admitted to nuclear facilities saw that Russia was no longer threatening, ceased to reckon with it.

      Where is it empty? He said everything correctly, and this is now relevant, for many still believe in Good America.
  13. citizen242
    citizen242 19 October 2017 21: 31 New
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    I read an article today that said that we have rockets practically and by 2019 we can shame with our tail except that it is covered.
  14. stas
    stas 19 October 2017 21: 46 New
    +5
    Quote: SRC P-15
    Putin does not throw his words into the wind!

    Therefore, Putin does not promise social justice in Russia and does not say that he is building in Russia.
    Our Putin capitalism is economic fascism, but stable.
  15. Stoler
    Stoler 19 October 2017 22: 05 New
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    Only some kind of crooked mirrors (Reflection is not unambiguous and not instantaneous. Braking! laughing
  16. Kerensky
    Kerensky 19 October 2017 23: 08 New
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    If you don’t like it and someone has a desire to withdraw from the contract in general, the American partners, on our part The answer will be instant. I want to say this - instantly. And mirror

    We, too, instantly and mirrorfully withdraw from the contract !!! Let them know! tongue
  17. Mikhail Zubkov
    Mikhail Zubkov 19 October 2017 23: 14 New
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    Quote: hrych
    Oka has become a more advanced Iskander. The pioneer went further and became the universal Frontier, if desired, reaching the ICBM range. With KR everything is fine, though the satellites are hung for this. The same PU Iskander - something, and mobility, and versatility because the Kyrgyz Republic is possible. The work of the Great Patriot was not lost, but he hastened, for now he would have guessed very much at home crying

    Well, one and a half hundred rockets were blown up - the show was all over the world. But the heads remained somewhere, the launchers remained - they are still suitable for business.
  18. LAWNER
    LAWNER 19 October 2017 23: 14 New
    +1
    Strange ..... one person spoke, and 30 people at the forum understood him each in his own way .... Did he speak Russian ?!
  19. Vadmir
    Vadmir 20 October 2017 00: 09 New
    +2
    The more Caliber and ships carrying them we have, the more talk in the USA about leaving the INF Treaty. Since the one-sided advantage given to the Americans by Gorbachev is declining, and Americans do not like to play on equal terms, they definitely need a handicap or an ace up their sleeve.
  20. Old26
    Old26 20 October 2017 00: 38 New
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    Quote: Zibelew
    We will see. "Chief Designer committed suicide, because I considered it a betrayal of my own country. "" ... So it was a betrayal of the country and people.

    You read these pearls and wonder. Who! Journalists misinterpreted or the President is not in the subject?

    Quote: voyaka uh
    Who is this constructor?

    But he is not, this constructor. SIMPLY DOES NOT EXIST SUCH DESIGNER. And one of those preparing the speech very large framed the president giving him such information.

    Quote: Vadim237
    All new ground-based airborne and sea-based RSDs are ready for five years now - just give a command - “Put”

    Indeed? Really and land, and air, and sea based? Can we tell the poor and the wretched what kind of rocket this miracle is that the Americans are "not with their ears"? Did they oversleep a dozen trials? Don’t carry the blizzard! I understand, patriotic, but this is not a site of fiction or alternative reality ...

    Quote: Vadim237
    Well then, in contrast to these new Pershing, we will put the Anteyev 4500 divisions closer to the border.

    Let's start by deploying the S-400 in sufficient quantity and with the entire range of missiles, and then we will dream of the fantastic Antei-4500 air defense system

    Quote: pp to Oparyshev
    I have never seen reports that the United States destroyed its medium-sized missiles, while a hunchback blew up all my 45s and 53 at the Semipalatinsk test site.

    Or maybe they did blow up on Kapyar, and not in Semipalatinsk? As for the Americans
    The removal of Pershing 2 from duty in Europe began in October 1988 and ended on July 6, 1989. The destruction of the MGM-31C (and the remaining MGM-31B) was carried out by static burning of rocket engines at the stand, using this method the last stage was destroyed in May 1991
    If you try on the network you can find photos of the skeletons of PU Griffon, and a photo-video of the destruction of both the Griffins and the Pershing. Moreover, in our media (Soviet, in the journal EMNIP "Vestnik MFA") regularly published data on the number of people killed and the number remaining both with us and the Americans

    Quote: Herkulesich
    And in my opinion, no one canceled the modernization of missiles! And even more so, you yourself know, some of the missiles have overtaken their time for a long time, and have no in the West, and we still have analogues, the same "stylet or satan", for example! hi

    Modernization of what? Old liquid P-12? Or "Pioneers" and "Oka"? So the warranty period of the same Iskander is about 10-15 years (this is absolutely open data). And we do not have solid-fuel missiles that would be in service even for 25 years, not to mention 40

    Quote: NOC-VVS
    let all of our submarines located off the coast of America for a moment come to the surface. To cool the fervor of the Russian Railways.

    ALL???? And that we have so many and we roam off the coast of the USA? In order, perhaps, to make it easier to destroy?

    Quote: Mikhail Zubkov
    Well, one and a half hundred rockets were blown up - the show was all over the world. But the heads remained somewhere, the launchers remained - they are still suitable for business.

    Launchers were also rendered unusable so that they could not be used. The shells of the warheads were destroyed (like the Americans), but the warheads themselves, that is, physical packages with an automation system, were stored. But do not write about it. They are pecking. there is a lot of sacred belief that we destroyed and warheads, but the Americans stored them
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 20 October 2017 00: 47 New
      +3
      Quote: Old26
      But he is not, this constructor. SIMPLY DOESN'T EXIST SUCH DESIGNER.

      And I found Sadovnikov VG on the Internet, the general director of VSW.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 20 October 2017 09: 27 New
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      But blizzards are not what it is - 3M14 airborne land and sea-based missiles, plus ICBMs - only change the flight program to 5500 kilometers.
  21. Old26
    Old26 20 October 2017 00: 45 New
    +2
    Quote: Herkulesich
    And even more so, you yourself know, some of the missiles have overtaken their time for a long time, and have no in the west, and we still have analogues, the same "stylet

    What? Is the stylet still in service? For a year, it has been listed in the unexploded in number of EMNIP 20 pieces (which means 10 have already been eliminated). So there is none already. From the word AT ALL.
  22. Old26
    Old26 20 October 2017 01: 22 New
    +2
    Quote: mordvin xnumx
    Quote: Old26
    But he is not, this constructor. SIMPLY DOESN'T EXIST SUCH DESIGNER.

    And I found Sadovnikov VG on the Internet, the general director of VSW.

    Yes, it was. But the whole point is that he was the DIRECTOR, and then the GENERAL DIRECTOR of the FACTORY, and by no means the chief designer. And it was said that
    in the elimination of medium and short-range missiles, "the chief designer committed suicide

    So MAIN DESIGNERS DON'T FINISH suicide life. There were none in the design bureau in Kolomna, there were none in Yuzhmash, and there were none in MIT
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 20 October 2017 01: 40 New
      +3
      Quote: Old26
      GENERAL DIRECTOR OF THE FACTORY, and by no means the chief designer. And it was said that

      So yes, they slipped Byaku to Putin. From wiki. It is there that it is written that under the leadership of Sadovnikov they were created .... then an enumeration of what they created.
  23. aszzz888
    aszzz888 20 October 2017 01: 54 New
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    I want to say this - instantly. And mirrored - conveys Putin's words to RIA Novosti.

    ... I would very much like to hope for it ... where could they endure their kookies even further ?! angry
  24. Belarus is Russia
    Belarus is Russia 20 October 2017 03: 27 New
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    Putin promised an instant and mirror response to the US withdrawal from the INF Treaty
    Then Putin will do everything right.
  25. Yngvar
    Yngvar 20 October 2017 05: 34 New
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    Quote: In100gram
    Quote: Vasyan1971
    But do we have specialists in the "instant" response? Somehow, they mostly swing for six months. Either they save courage, or fighting anger ..

    The answer is already there. Only need to adapt to ground-based. And this is much easier than adapting the land complex to the sea.
    1. Yngvar
      Yngvar 20 October 2017 05: 37 New
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      I suppose that the ground-based system was laid at the design stage ... The contract is a contract, and the powder must be dry!
  26. the same doctor
    the same doctor 20 October 2017 09: 04 New
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    States do not care about building up our SMD missiles. They will not reach their territory. At the same time, their Pershing and Tomahawks are strategic missiles for us. Therefore, the answer to American treachery can only be a withdrawal from the SALT treaty, thanks to which we will receive the right to create similar forces to attack the United States. And stockpiles of fissile materials and production facilities must be created today.
    .
    The fastest and easiest option may be a light monoblock rocket of 10-20 tons, throwing over the ocean one hundred kg of cargo. Freed from the restrictions of WWS, we can make thousands of them and, more importantly, disguise them as containers, barges, railway cars or just warehouses and hangars. Because there will be no legal espionage under the guise of inspections, then every opportunity for BSU will be removed. There are too many goals and their location is not known - this is the recipe for countering the BSU.
    .
    I think one threat to this development will make the States make concessions.
  27. Old26
    Old26 20 October 2017 10: 04 New
    +1
    Quote: mordvin xnumx
    yes, they slipped Byaku to Putin. From wiki. It is there that it is written that under the leadership of Sadovnikov they were created .... then an enumeration of what they created.

    Of course, under the leadership of the director of the plant were created (further on the list). There can be no other way. But here is the chief designer of Oeya, cut according to the INF Treaty Invincible Sergei Pavlovich died on April 11, 2014.
    Of the chief designers of MIT
    1. Nadiradze Alexander Davidovich died on September 3, 19878 from a heart attack (three months before the signing of the contract, and by that time it was clear that the “Pioneer” somehow fell under the contract)
    2. Lagutin Boris Nikolaevich, who was at the time of signing the agreement of the MIT Group of Companies, died on November 6, 2010
    3. Solomon is still alive

    Utkin Vladimir Fedorovich, former at that time GK KB Yuzhnoye passed away in 2000. So which of the Civil Code committed suicide, could not stand the betrayal?

    Quote: mordvin xnumx
    I fumbled a bit on tyrnet, at the prompt of the Old. Oka was created in Kolomna, and was already produced under the direction of Sadovnikov. But Sadovnikov had previously been the chief designer of the Izhevsk Mechanical Plant. Here is such a confusion. Those. as the chief designer - he had nothing to do with missiles.

    Add a little. From 1953 to 1958 he really worked as a designer for Yangel, but .... did not get along. From 1958 to 1960 he headed the design team of Izhmekh (Special Design Bureau). But since 1960 - exclusively in administrative work. Until 1966, he was the chief engineer of Izhmekh, and from 1966, the Votkinsk plant.
    His death is not only the influence of nerves due to the destruction of what you did with your own hands, but also due to an aggravated illness, which he suffered from 1984. And he, a man with steel hardening, sometimes not just demanding, but also tyrannical, did not want to be a burden and shot himself in 1990
  28. Old26
    Old26 20 October 2017 10: 29 New
    +1
    Quote: also a doctor
    States do not care about building up our SMD missiles. They will not reach their territory. At the same time, their Pershing and Tomahawks are strategic missiles for us. Therefore, the answer to American treachery can only be a withdrawal from the SALT treaty, thanks to which we will receive the right to create similar forces to attack the United States. And stockpiles of fissile materials and production facilities must be created today.
    .
    The fastest and easiest option may be a light monoblock rocket of 10-20 tons, throwing over the ocean one hundred kg of cargo. Freed from the restrictions of WWS, we can make thousands of them and, more importantly, disguise them as containers, barges, railway cars or just warehouses and hangars. Because there will be no legal espionage under the guise of inspections, then every opportunity for BSU will be removed. There are too many goals and their location is not known - this is the recipe for countering the BSU.
    .
    I think one threat to this development will make the States make concessions.


    "That's right. The document is correct." (c) "Caucasian captive"

    For some reason, the authors of these ideas, and you including dear do not take into account what the other side will do SAME. And much cheaper. And just like us, they will deploy their missiles not only on conveyors or stationary launchers. But also on trailers. And they do not need to make an intercontinental missile with a range of 7-8 thousand kilometers. Enough and 5. Plus to place not only on barges and ships (which they, civilians, I mean) a couple of orders of magnitude more than ours, but also at the bottom. But what, after all, SALT-START will not work? Or place a hundred cruise missiles on a regular Boeing 747 or any other.
    What you offer is simply called - NAPPY GRANDMAN EARS FROZEN. And do not forget that now among our enemies there is no longer only, as before, Germany and the countries of western Europe, but also eastern. It is very important to get a complex on the border with Estonia that will cover Moscow or Leningrad in 2-3 minutes. And keep in mind. Our economy is by no means the first in the world. And in this situation, not only the United States, but the whole of Europe with its technical and economic potential will be against us. As a result, this is the best way to ruin Russia by starting such a giant arms race.
  29. Old26
    Old26 20 October 2017 17: 39 New
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    Quote: pp to Oparyshev
    Nadiradze died, I don’t remember the name of the patronymic. The ingenious designer was the Pioneers, before them TEMPOV.

    Alexander Davidovich died three months before the conclusion of the contract - September 3, 1987. A heart attack, but never "committed suicide"
    So he couldn’t “commit suicide by concluding a contract
  30. Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 22 October 2017 12: 52 New
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    It is a pity that the creator of short- and medium-range missiles escaped resentment. Somehow, the government needed to be convinced that it was right. And his business was not in vain, his experience and achievements switched to other missiles.