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The head of the RF IC suggested introducing a national idea into the Russian Constitution.

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Head TFR Alexander Bastrykin launched an initiative today to expand the list of criminal penalties for terrorist activities carried out through the Global Network. The head of the Investigation Committee expressed his initiative at a conference in St. Petersburg called “Crimes against the peace and security of mankind: modern forms of terrorism and extremism”.




From the speech of A. Bastrykin:
I also propose to introduce measures to block the activities of sites that promote terrorist activities. The greatest danger of terrorism is the transformation of these phenomena into a national idea. We all know well the consequences of such ideas in Nazi Germany, in the Ottoman Empire.


An important detail of the speech of Alexander Bastrykin was the proposal to introduce the national idea of ​​Russia into the Basic Law of the country. According to the head of the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation, the absence of a national idea reflected in the Constitution of Russia, and provides loopholes for extremists and terrorists to substitute their destructive dogmas for values ​​that are really important for citizens.

Recall that at the moment there is part of the Constitution xNUMX Art.2, which directly says that no ideology can be established as a state.

As one of the segments of the national idea, it is proposed to consider the rejection of terrorist and extremist activities in society.
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  1. Komsomol
    Komsomol 19 October 2017 17: 39
    +19
    Give you freedom - you there people forbid, not only the Internet with sites ... am .
    1. Vladimir16
      Vladimir16 19 October 2017 17: 42
      +34
      Komsomol, are you for propaganda of terror? Or so blurted out without thinking? Or stupidly did not read what Bastrykin talked about? Just to be the first to blur?
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 19 October 2017 21: 00
        +8
        Quote: Vladimir16
        Komsomol, are you for propaganda of terror?

        The fight against terrorism is the most convenient wording to tighten the screws. Therefore, in the USA, the towers fell. wink
        1. insular
          insular 20 October 2017 00: 25
          +6
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          tighten the nuts

          What the hell are nuts ?! laughing Suppose that at least some laws are adopted, nothing is being implemented, but what is still being implemented is bought. People were intoxicated with permissiveness. Already from kindergarten they know about all their rights and about any duties. For 17 years, he turned the country into a crumbling trough from which all the bolts and nuts spilled out, not just loose.
          Pull not pull now.

          Well, the eternal search for a national idea has become a national idea. Well, even the struggle of corrupt officials with corruption is also an idea ...
          1. l7yzo
            l7yzo 20 October 2017 05: 53
            0
            This is not for everyone.
            "Wait, you have already left for you" (unknown car)
          2. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 20 October 2017 07: 17
            0
            Quote: insular
            People were intoxicated with permissiveness.

            Me not. And others are the same.
            Quote: insular
            Already from kindergarten they know about all their rights and about any duties.

            Yes, you can’t argue. The former works at school, talks about the current kids.
            Quote: insular
            For 17 years, he turned the country into a crumbling trough from which all the bolts and nuts spilled out, not just loose.

            The last couple of years there has been a rise, this cannot be denied. Only not everywhere. Roads, agriculture and some industries. The oligarchs realized that if they drink the blood of the people uncontrollably, they will be provided with Ukraine 2.0. Here is the stranglehold slightly and weakened.
    2. Herculesic
      Herculesic 19 October 2017 17: 44
      +10
      Komsomol am -Do not distort! am The bans will be "targeted", or are you constantly hanging on the sites of Ishilov’s ??? sad
      1. iConst
        iConst 19 October 2017 18: 18
        +11
        And at the same time, the question is - has anyone formulated this national idea?
        And what about the article of the Constitution prohibiting state ideology - this is a direct violation, because a national idea is the essence of ideology.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 19 October 2017 18: 25
          +9
          Quote: iConst
          And at the same time, the question is - has anyone formulated this national idea?

          Yes, it seems like no one yet. Our deputies will look for an idea for a hundred years. Yes, and so are we.
          1. dauria
            dauria 19 October 2017 19: 01
            +6
            Our deputies will look for an idea for a hundred years


            Yes, they have already found for themselves a long time ago. It's just that they are ashamed to make it public - "Devour the sweeter, sleep longer and all at the expense of others" laughing
            Here's how to put it into the constitution?
            1. Inok10
              Inok10 19 October 2017 22: 42
              +3
              Quote: dauria
              Yes, they have already found for themselves a long time ago. It's just that they are ashamed to make it public - "Devour the sweeter, sleep longer and all at the expense of others"

              ... are you talking about the Central Committee of the CPSU and regional committees, city committees, district committees of the CPSU in the past, he knows ... no, well, the present does not mind returning the former times to the deputies of the Communist Party ... there were black Volga before, now there will be black Mercedes .. ... the conversation is completely different ... not for the prevailing ideology, Red or White, this will not happen ... but, for the National Idea ... to be just a Patriot of your own country ... hi
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 19 October 2017 22: 53
                +7
                Quote: Inok10
                but, for the National idea ... to be just a Patriot of one’s own country ...

                Who will determine the criteria for patriotism and how? Explain, since the idea was put forward.
                1. Inok10
                  Inok10 19 October 2017 22: 58
                  +3
                  Quote: Mordvin 3
                  Who will determine the criteria for patriotism and how? Explain, since the idea was put forward.

                  ... well, that concept Homeland already acquired some new meaning? ... the word Country What are you talking about? ... or based on your logic Fatherland Native must be painted in some Color (ideological), so that You Love Your Own Fatherland? ... shame ...
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 19 October 2017 23: 06
                    +5
                    [quote = Inok10]. But that the concept of Homeland has already acquired some new meaning? ... the word Fatherland tells you what? [/ quote]
                    He speaks. I love my homeland. And the Fatherland, too. You answer the question. [Quo] Who will determine the criteria for patriotism and how? [/ Quote] Maksakova is a patriot?
                    1. Inok10
                      Inok10 19 October 2017 23: 15
                      +2
                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      He speaks. I love my homeland. And the Fatherland, too. You answer the question. [

                      ... already and higher ... not understandable? ...
                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      Maksakova - a patriot?

                      ... Voronenkov - a corpse - a patriot? ... he is the Communist Party ...
                      1. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 19 October 2017 23: 22
                        +5
                        Quote: Inok10
                        . narrower and higher ... not understandable? .

                        Monk, let's be honest. There are no such criteria.
                        Quote: Inok10
                        .. Voronenkov - a corpse - a patriot? ... he is the Communist Party

                        Maksakova-not the Communist Party. And from the rostrum of the State Duma she sang. And both of them were considered patriots. Do you know the anthem of the Russian Federation by heart? Me not. And how will we determine who is a patriot and who is not?
                      2. badens1111
                        badens1111 19 October 2017 23: 25
                        +2
                        Quote: Inok10
                        the corpse is a patriot? .

                        Maksakova, while not a corpse, not a patriot, from EP.
                      3. Inok10
                        Inok10 19 October 2017 23: 32
                        +4
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        Monk, let's be honest. There are no such criteria.

                        ... how do you remember that memory suddenly leaked ... to recall the course of the History of the Soviet school? ...
                        under the autocracy:
                        - "For Faith, Tsar and Fatherland"
                        under Soviet rule:
                        - "For motherland for Stalin"
                        ... the color of power does not matter for Russian ... Fatherland and Homeland - Saints ... That's what it is Russian ideology! ...
                  2. zoolu350
                    zoolu350 20 October 2017 06: 08
                    +1
                    And which Fatherland have you identified for yourself? For me and the socialist-minded patriots, this is the USSR, for the bully-crystal monarchists this is the Russian Empire, for the liberal mattresses, neovlasovs and adherents of the KhPP this is the Russian Federation. So what will be the starting point of the Fatherland?
                    1. Inok10
                      Inok10 21 October 2017 20: 53
                      +3
                      Quote: zoolu350
                      And which Fatherland have you identified for yourself?

                      ... what are the options? ... where the Father's house is ...
                      Quote: zoolu350
                      For me and socialist-minded patriots, this is the USSR

                      ... you? ... socialist ... wassat ... You are just a provocateur, while quite mediocre ... bully
                      Quote: zoolu350
                      it’s the Russian Empire for the bulky-crunching monarchists, for the liberal liberals, neovlasovs and adherents of the KhPP, it’s the Russian Federation.

                      ... Man, go your way and it’s advisable that we don’t stop ourselves ... just erase the shampoo from the forehead and the tag from the sleeve ... shamefully ... don’t judge and you won’t judge ...
                      Quote: zoolu350
                      So what will be the starting point of the Fatherland?

                      ... such ... and without options ...
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                      2. zoolu350
                        zoolu350 22 October 2017 04: 32
                        0
                        I’m on my way, and I have to intersect with enemies during the battle. It is shameful to be a slave to the oligarchy of the Russian Federation. You (slaves of the oligarchy of the Russian Federation) have not yet been tried, yet ...
                      3. Inok10
                        Inok10 22 October 2017 22: 33
                        +3
                        Quote: zoolu350
                        I'm going my way

                        ... with a tablecloth and that would stumble ...
                        Quote: zoolu350
                        and you have to intersect with enemies during the battle.

                        ... I’m not at war with children ...
                        Quote: zoolu350
                        It is shameful to be a slave to the oligarchy of the Russian Federation. You (slaves of the oligarchy of the Russian Federation) have not yet been tried, yet ...

                        ... about ! ... five points! ... the stamp is golimy ... it means that all the same, MI-6 gained Russian-speaking employees "by announcement" ... people, you’ll pump them for this crap, they dump 50 thousand each. pounds per month salary, without taxes ... laughing
          2. Alikos
            Alikos 19 October 2017 21: 47
            +4
            Quote: mordvin xnumx
            Quote: iConst
            And at the same time, the question is - has anyone formulated this national idea?

            Yes, it seems like no one yet. Our deputies will look for an idea for a hundred years. Yes, and so are we.

            Until they return the stolen from the people, liquidate capitalism, shake the stolen from the oligarchs ...
            1. Inok10
              Inok10 19 October 2017 22: 44
              +4
              Quote: Alikos
              Until they return the stolen from the people, liquidate capitalism, shake the stolen from the oligarchs ...

              ... go and shake the Sanatoriums and Special Distributors of the CPSU ... laughing ... People’s defenders ... laughing
              1. badens1111
                badens1111 19 October 2017 23: 25
                +3
                Quote: Inok10
                .. go and shake the Sanatoriums and Special Distributors of the CPSU

                In time, stuck?
                1. Inok10
                  Inok10 19 October 2017 23: 47
                  +2
                  Quote: badens1111
                  In time, stuck?

                  ... go kiss the General Secretary of the Central Committee of the CPSU and the First / Last President of the USSR Gorbachev in his baldness, do not forget to lick Yeltsin too ... laughing
        2. Makarov
          Makarov 19 October 2017 21: 22
          0
          The defense and defense of one's creative work - everything has already been formed ...
          I mean the amendment of the Constitution in this paragraph in particular ...
        3. Lyuba1965_01
          Lyuba1965_01 19 October 2017 22: 01
          +3
          No large country can exist without a national idea. This is what unites different faiths, ethnic groups, and just different and completely different people. So this idea is needed, it is simply necessary. Another thing is that you just need to identify the main thing that unites us in addition to a common territory, language, economy and politics.
        4. Irokez
          Irokez 19 October 2017 23: 22
          0
          Quote: iConst
          And what about the article of the Constitution prohibiting state ideology

          Are constitutional amendments also banned? Amerikosy almost live on the amendments.
        5. BecmepH
          BecmepH 20 October 2017 06: 07
          0
          Quote: iConst
          And at the same time, the question is - has anyone formulated this national idea?
          And what about the article of the Constitution prohibiting state ideology - this is a direct violation, because a national idea is the essence of ideology.

          It's time to rewrite this dictated constitution.
          Well, under the guise of a presidential term review
    3. You Vlad
      You Vlad 19 October 2017 17: 46
      +4
      Quote: Komsomol
      Give you the will, you prohibit the people there, not only the Internet with sites ....

      There is a war against Russia, you are at war! So you have to suffer!
      1. Komsomol
        Komsomol 19 October 2017 17: 49
        +12
        I read everything carefully, and not only here. And not only now. And not only this article, I expressed my opinion on the topic. I like it, I don’t like it, I won’t betray myself. hi
        1. BecmepH
          BecmepH 20 October 2017 06: 09
          +1
          Quote: Komsomol
          I read everything carefully, and not only here. And not only now. And not only this article, I expressed my opinion on the topic. I like it, I don’t like it, I won’t betray myself. hi

          Like there: "I will not part with the Komsomol, I will be forever young"
      2. Ayratelinsion
        Ayratelinsion 19 October 2017 17: 55
        +5
        Go to the trenches then and there endure.
        1. You Vlad
          You Vlad 19 October 2017 18: 20
          +4
          Quote: Ayratelinsion
          Go to the trenches then and there endure.

          Do not say what I need to do, and I will not tell you where to go ...
          1. Ayratelinsion
            Ayratelinsion 20 October 2017 05: 53
            0
            Oh, what a mirror phrase!
      3. iConst
        iConst 19 October 2017 18: 21
        +4
        Quote: you Vlad
        There is a war against Russia, you are at war! So you have to suffer!

        Well, half (if not more) of the problems are homegrown. Deal with them - you look and the enemies will be smaller. laughing
        1. You Vlad
          You Vlad 19 October 2017 18: 25
          0
          Quote: iConst
          Well, half (if not more) of the problems are homegrown. Deal with them - you look and the enemies will be smaller.

          Aha laughing I don’t know why to spend money on the army laughing All b-i in the world of porn laughing
    4. DEPARTMENT
      DEPARTMENT 19 October 2017 18: 01
      +6
      An important detail of the speech of Alexander Bastrykin was the proposal to introduce the national idea of ​​Russia into the country's Basic Law.

      The idea is always in our souls and will be!
      The goal of the West is to spit poison and corrupt our children and grandchildren ..
      It would be better if the law was introduced "On the protection of Russians and our culture .."
      After all, they spread rot everywhere in the world media, trying to bleed and destroy! I am silent about the physical destruction of 25 years of shit democracy and "freedom" there goes a figure of millions.
      And also the pivot of Russia, this is Orthodoxy .. We hold on to this, although many do not believe (although they feel faith in the soul!) It’s not without reason that in the ROC in recent years such hitting has been going on, if it is bitten, then there will be no Russia!

      God bless Russia ..!
      1. Komsomol
        Komsomol 19 October 2017 18: 07
        +25

        God is not timothy, he sees a little ...
        1. Partyzan
          Partyzan 19 October 2017 19: 14
          +12
          Quote: Komsomol
          God is not timothy, he sees a little ...

          and you thought - what did you say? then here is the answer
          1. Settlement Oparyshev
            Settlement Oparyshev 19 October 2017 19: 29
            +3
            Pope Francis, not much poorer than the Rothschilds, if the last 3 trillion dollars, then the Pope will not guess how much less. And the influence of Catholics around the world is great.
            1. Partyzan
              Partyzan 19 October 2017 19: 33
              +5
              Quote: pp to Oparyshev
              Pope Francis, not much poorer than the Rothschilds, if the last 3 trillion dollars, then the Pope will not guess how much less. And the influence of Catholics around the world is great.

              but what about the money? read the posts normally?
            2. Settlement Oparyshev
              Settlement Oparyshev 19 October 2017 19: 39
              +3
              Well, yes. I described the picture, but it was necessary about the relationship of religion with the powers of the world. It turns out that at the top level, it would not matter where you got power, either from religion or from corporations. Now the correct answer?
              1. Partyzan
                Partyzan 20 October 2017 10: 31
                +5
                Quote: p-k Oparyshev
                Now the correct answer?

                now correct hi
                1. You Vlad
                  You Vlad 25 October 2017 15: 54
                  +1
                  Quote: Partyzan
                  now correct

                  No, it’s not right! They are Satanists, so draw conclusions.
          2. zoolu350
            zoolu350 20 October 2017 06: 11
            0
            This is not the end of the world, this is a deputy in religion who respects the leadership.
        2. DEPARTMENT
          DEPARTMENT 19 October 2017 19: 19
          +2
          Quote: Komsomol

          God is not timothy, he sees a little ...

          Exactly ..! About three years ago here on the website and in the media of the world ... First, there was a wave of “protection of LHTPI or LPT damn it, shorter than blue pi ... during the Olympics in Sochi ..! Then the wave went to Orthodoxy and Faith in Russia precisely after Russia abruptly lowered them and didn’t let them in Sochi ... That's the whole technology of the collapse of Russia !!!!
          And the forum member "Komsomol" is just one of these Western mongrels and has appropriated such a nickname ...
          To spoil us in the Souls ... I would have sharply expressed it, but it is impossible (although I will bite my teeth ..) negative
      2. Elevator in the building
        Elevator in the building 19 October 2017 18: 16
        +21
        In ****** any "opium", including the Orthodox, and those who sell it. I do not need mediators in prayer. They didn’t try to work, and not repeat the psalms, but the brains of the weak to litter ..?! Live according to conscience and law, and that’s right! And it’s time to ruin your synagogues and synagogues again, too much power has gained again, dumbfathers!
        1. Raindragon
          Raindragon 19 October 2017 18: 49
          +5
          No need to ruin, you need an optimum. They treat opium, abuse of it is addiction, and failure is death. The purpose and task of the church is to help broken people, and therefore the Church has the right place. But letting ideology go is a bust
      3. Settlement Oparyshev
        Settlement Oparyshev 19 October 2017 18: 16
        +10
        I wouldn’t trust in Orthodoxy like that, it is devoid of philosophy and doesn’t give a middle mind a path for enlightenment. It doesn’t try to fight drunkenness. I would excommunicate the church after drinking. Then I could accept it.
        1. Logall
          Logall 19 October 2017 18: 41
          +16
          What are you talking about? Are you in religion, at least in some way, do you understand something?
          Do not confuse faith with beliefs, but religion with the church ...
          1. Settlement Oparyshev
            Settlement Oparyshev 19 October 2017 18: 52
            +6
            Politeness is not your dignity. Your reaction confirms the special status of believers who have the bar when they poke their nose with theirs ..
            1. Logall
              Logall 19 October 2017 19: 04
              +14
              Quote: p-k Oparyshev
              their nose with theirs ..

              The fact of the matter is that people like you scatter them ...
              But I, in turn, do not impose my values ​​on you ... But I ask you not to touch mine either!
              You quarrel not because you want to do this, but only because of ignorance of the material you are talking about. Because of ignorance - in a word ...
              You said about Orthodoxy, And as an example you brought the church ...
              1. Settlement Oparyshev
                Settlement Oparyshev 19 October 2017 19: 17
                +6
                Instead of your verbiage, you would bring a place where to find your Orthodoxy. And even better get carried away by Buddhism, there enlightenment goes directly through consciousness, bypassing all kinds of idols. Buddha is not only an idol, but also an instrument with which you can calm the mind. The truth is for strong people. And Orthodoxy for anyone who wants to, strong or weak, all one fit.
                1. sogdy
                  sogdy 19 October 2017 19: 49
                  +2
                  Quote: p-k Oparyshev
                  .Buddha is not only an idol, but also an instrument with the help of which you can calm the mind. The truth is for strong people.

                  Wildly sorry, but let me ask, are you a Buddhist? In which generation? And which of Buddhism?
                  But one thing is clear from your comment: you have never been an officer. Because "the presence of believers is an objective reality that complicates the life of the command of the unit."
                  1. Settlement Oparyshev
                    Settlement Oparyshev 20 October 2017 11: 09
                    0
                    Nowadays, they answered that when they had already scribbled an overcoat, I’m sorry that you still haven’t gotten a child-bearing organ.
                    1. sogdy
                      sogdy 20 October 2017 14: 39
                      0
                      Quote: p-k Oparyshev
                      Nowadays they answered

                      So how many then were you, neofitser?
                2. Logall
                  Logall 19 October 2017 19: 59
                  +12
                  Quote: p-k Oparyshev
                  would bring a place where to find your Orthodoxy.

                  Soul, wicked! This place is the soul ...
                  Quote: p-k Oparyshev
                  .And even better get carried away by Buddhism
                  No! For this Faith, our ancestors experienced a lot, overcame many trials! This Faith was not imposed on us, such as you, But we ourselves came to Constantinople for it! Constantinople, which subsequently fell due to the betrayal of the Faith itself! He lay down under the Catholics ...
                  I don’t wish such a fate for myself and my children ...
                  1. Lyuba1965_01
                    Lyuba1965_01 19 October 2017 22: 08
                    +1
                    We didn’t come to Constantinople for faith, but for political support, and faith - along the way, as a payment for this very support. Although, based on the political realities of that time, Vladimir was very mistaken: Byzantium had already experienced its heyday and was declining. Catholicism had to be accepted, then Russia would be spared the many wars and calamities that carried the unwritten battles between the Catholic Church and the Orthodox. Well, what has been done, done, cannot be turned back. We have no other realities at this time .
                    1. Irokez
                      Irokez 19 October 2017 23: 41
                      +1
                      Quote: Lyuba1965_01
                      Catholicism had to be accepted, then Russia would be spared many wars and disasters

                      Why are you calling my friend. If there was catalism, Russia as such would not have existed for a long time, but there would have been a territory long divided into different states with a single pope.
                      And there would be no counterweight to the dark in the world. Catalism is a more secular religion that admits much that Orthodoxy cannot accept for spiritual reasons, because Orthodoxy mixed with the Vedas is much more spiritual. We have absorbed in ourselves faith and Vedism and Orthodoxy according to customs, traditions and spirituality.
                  2. zoolu350
                    zoolu350 20 October 2017 06: 20
                    0
                    Nobody came for faith in Constantinople, King Valdemar converted to Orthodox Christianity based on the political situation at that time. Now is the 21st century, a time of ideologies. At present, the liberal consumerist idea is flourishing in the Russian Federation, but the center for the formation of this idea, and accordingly its standards, is located in the secondary school, therefore, under the rule of this idea, the Russian Federation is doomed to exist in the margins of history. To enter the vanguard of civilizations, you need your own project.
                  3. Settlement Oparyshev
                    Settlement Oparyshev 20 October 2017 11: 02
                    0
                    My Soul is not a dustbin. There is cleanliness and order.
        2. Partyzan
          Partyzan 19 October 2017 19: 23
          +4
          Quote: p-k Oparyshev
          A drink would be excommunicated. Then one could receive it.

          and the church lives according to God's law, and not according to yours
          How should we treat our neighbors always, at all
          case, Jesus Christ gave us this rule: “in everything, as you wish,
          that people act with you (and we, of course, want all people to
          loved us ”did us good and forgave us), so do you and
          them. " (Do not do to others what you do not want).
          1. Settlement Oparyshev
            Settlement Oparyshev 19 October 2017 19: 26
            +5
            Who else benefits from these laws? The acre of the church is nasty.
      4. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 19 October 2017 18: 34
        +10
        Quote: DEPARTMENT
        God bless Russia ..!

        Well, if this is an idea, then definitely all the atheists who push propaganda for atheism on the Internet need to be in jail. For terrorism, you panim.
        1. sogdy
          sogdy 19 October 2017 19: 56
          +2
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          who pushes propaganda for atheism on the Internet

          It would be worth asking what “atheism" is.
          And "atheism" is a method of knowing reality within the framework of the Christian Church. Otherwise called the Okama razor. Proclaimed a member of the papal conclave Okam.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 19 October 2017 20: 00
            +6
            Quote: sogdy
            It would be worth asking what “atheism" is.

            You do not teach me, I have an atheist's guide. yes
            1. sogdy
              sogdy 19 October 2017 20: 05
              +2
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              I have an atheist reference book

              Nothing that unbeliever such a guide for nothing is unnecessary?
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 19 October 2017 20: 10
                +6
                Quote: sogdy
                Nothing that unbeliever such a guide for nothing is unnecessary?

                And I was arguing with one Jew here, so I took this guide from a neighbor and got enlightened. Regarding Judaism. laughing
                1. sogdy
                  sogdy 19 October 2017 20: 58
                  +2
                  Quote: Mordvin 3
                  Regarding Judaism.

                  Judaism is yeah! Corvalol, vodka, herring ... wall to wall ...
            2. In100gram
              In100gram 19 October 2017 21: 26
              0
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              You do not teach me, I have an atheist's guide.

              Atheism is a form of faith. Belief in her denial. So do not replace the concept. You believe in the absence of faith, and I in its presence. I do not write about intermediaries in faith. Although they are present in both species. Adherents of atheism and clergy.
              1. E50M
                E50M 20 October 2017 08: 15
                0
                Quote: In100gram
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                You do not teach me, I have an atheist's guide.

                Atheism is a form of faith. Belief in her denial. So do not replace the concept. You believe in the absence of faith, and I in its presence. I do not write about intermediaries in faith. Although they are present in both species. Adherents of atheism and clergy.

                Well, porridge in the head.
        2. DEPARTMENT
          DEPARTMENT 19 October 2017 20: 03
          +3
          Quote: mordvin xnumx
          Quote: DEPARTMENT
          God bless Russia ..!

          Well, if this is an idea, then definitely all the atheists who push propaganda for atheism on the Internet need to be in jail. For terrorism, you panim.

          It's hard to argue with you, and I don’t want to ...
          I will answer you this way: "In the trenches, there are no atheists .."
          Tested in Russia and more than once in our history ..
          I do not consider myself a believer, but in my heart there is something .. (was baptized already in adulthood)
          Here is a fragment of the film that says a lot .. soldier
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 19 October 2017 22: 01
            +4
            You would think that I’m a direct cynic of such and such.
            Quote: DEPARTMENT
            I do not consider myself a believer, but in my heart there is something

            Me too.
      5. Curious
        Curious 19 October 2017 21: 00
        +1
        Dear Department! And what world media do you read every day? If you, of course, do not bother.
      6. Lyuba1965_01
        Lyuba1965_01 19 October 2017 22: 03
        +6
        Orthodoxy? Well, let there be Orthodoxy, although I am an atheist. But how can Orthodoxy unite Russian, Tatar, Kalmyk, Dagestan?
        1. Irokez
          Irokez 19 October 2017 23: 55
          0
          Quote: Lyuba1965_01
          But how can Orthodoxy unite Russian, Tatar, Kalmyk, Dagestan?

          They are so united by living in a single country. There is no ban on religion except manifestly anti-human religions or beliefs, and those who muddied the water with good intentions.
          God, the Creator, He is One Only, and there are many ways to it, and these ways are religions and beliefs. All through the heart, goodness to others, love for one's neighbor. Read the basic commandments of religions and you will find a lot in common and spiritual.
          An atheist walking the righteous path (the path of light and love) follows his path to God, and this, too, can be said a religion or faith called “Atheism”.
          Strange as it may seem, people in the USSR were also instilled with spirituality almost copied from the Orthodox commandments.
        2. zoolu350
          zoolu350 20 October 2017 06: 27
          +2
          No way. They either exist under the leadership of one of the religions, or the religious component is replaced by ideology and they become nothing more than optional circles of interest (as in the USSR and this is correct). If there is no ideology, but there is relative equality between religions, then war begins.
    5. stas
      stas 19 October 2017 18: 03
      +11
      Offering to introduce criminal liability for economic fascism that our oligarchs and the economic elite pursue in relation to the people.
      The power in Russia belongs to the people - according to the Constitution, but in fact to economic fascists, whose purpose is loot and then much power, under the roof of the tsar.
    6. Settlement Oparyshev
      Settlement Oparyshev 19 October 2017 18: 23
      +7
      Wake up, people have long been banned. Have you been looking around for a long time?
  2. solzh
    solzh 19 October 2017 17: 40
    +12
    The ideology of the state should be. The people want to know what we are building and where we are moving.
    1. Esoteric
      Esoteric 19 October 2017 17: 58
      +12
      Quote: solzh
      The ideology of the state should be. The people want to know what we are building and where we are moving.

      So where? Forward! To the victory of oligarchic capitalism? I do not know a better system with a socialist orientation. All fairy tales about how well it lives under capitalism - for a herd that can neither think nor reason logically.
      The people in the country are far from stupid. Only in the field of management on a large scale are we shy. At home on the couch - everything turns out. In life, in the country - everything through ....
      1. Raindragon
        Raindragon 19 October 2017 18: 54
        0
        Capitalism - it was, socialism - it was, feudalism - it was ... But is it better to come up with nothing? There is experience, there are unique ones - do not understand what is missing. World War I
        1. zoolu350
          zoolu350 20 October 2017 06: 29
          0
          Try cybertron communism, it was not there.
      2. Irokez
        Irokez 20 October 2017 00: 00
        +2
        Quote: Esoteric
        All fairy tales about how well it lives under capitalism - for a herd that can neither think nor reason logically.

        This is what the idea is needed for, so that a herd without a leader could itself walk along the path, and not into a cliff.
        Everything has long been said and written about what capitalism we are led into: - "With good intentions - the road to hell is lined."
    2. Logall
      Logall 19 October 2017 18: 05
      +15
      So I’ll tell you so: people make the rich richer! Well, the rich, in turn, determine the wealth of the people, so that they do not rebel ...
    3. Settlement Oparyshev
      Settlement Oparyshev 19 October 2017 18: 19
      +7
      What do you have under the state? The snake's nest of large corporations? They now have a pain in the neck, how to save their own babosy. Even the bandits can lose their common fund at one point.
  3. Herculesic
    Herculesic 19 October 2017 17: 46
    +3
    I would also like to voice this same idiology, or even bring it to the masses for discussion, so that we ourselves choose our future, and not what they try to impose on us! !! hi
    1. Logall
      Logall 19 October 2017 18: 02
      +23
      We have already chosen the Olympic symbol! They chose a snow leopard, and then we still had a hare with a bear imposed on us.
      We’ll choose freedom, they’ll tell us – well, be free as long as there are enough chains ...
    2. Esoteric
      Esoteric 19 October 2017 18: 05
      +4
      Quote: Herkulesich
      so that we ourselves choose our future

      Here, after all, how to organize the elections ... And then we’ll climb the Yeltsin, and DAM will have an honorable duty ... I don’t understand, we choose that, or they choose for us?
      The team should be in the management of the country, the selected head (he will appoint the rest) and the public chamber with representatives from the regions to monitor work and take measures. The State Duma, as a legislative body to liquidate, together with the Federation Council and officials to check for professional suitability (how many work, what he did, how much he stole). The Central Bank - to nationalize ...
      1. japs
        japs 19 October 2017 18: 45
        +8
        You with such statements just fall under the bar, which was mentioned by the entot himself, Baistrukov. You will be banned as a distributor of harmful ideas ...
    3. To be or not to be
      To be or not to be 19 October 2017 18: 12
      0
      Difference of concepts
      National idea and state ideology
      http://studopedia.org/7-157538.html
      1. iConst
        iConst 19 October 2017 18: 30
        +5
        Quote: To be or not to be
        Difference of concepts
        National idea and state ideology
        http://studopedia.org/7-157538.html

        I do not agree with the article. In my opinion there is a substitution of concepts. The article argues that love of the motherland cannot be a state ideology, but only a national idea. And at the same time, it is denied that the national idea can be constructed - like, it originates by itself.
        Nonsense. The national idea is formed precisely by state ideology. Otherwise, all sorts of NGOs take its place, which indirectly begin to destroy the beginnings of the national idea by shifting the focus to other goals and the meaning of life.
        1. Raindragon
          Raindragon 19 October 2017 18: 57
          +2
          Well, suppose I love my homeland and ... so what? What has changed? Nothing has changed, as the main national idea doesn’t roll, and the secondary ones without the main one are words downwind
          1. To be or not to be
            To be or not to be 19 October 2017 21: 30
            0
            And the GDP said that PATIOTISM is the national idea of ​​Russia! .. in 2016 (((Putin: patriotism - "this is the national idea"
            Politics February 3, 2016,)))

            http://tass.ru/politika/2636647
          2. zoolu350
            zoolu350 20 October 2017 06: 31
            0
            What do you think of your homeland? What to take as a reference point?
        2. sogdy
          sogdy 19 October 2017 20: 03
          +3
          Quote: iConst
          Nonsense. The national idea is formed precisely by state ideology.

          Vashcheta, the national idea does not relate to ideology, but to state building. Thus directly affecting the law.
  4. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 19 October 2017 17: 48
    +6
    I also propose introducing measures to block the activities of sites promoting terrorist activities.
    Is this not done? Loafers!
    The greatest danger of terrorism is the transformation of these phenomena into a national idea.
    What did the man drink? Will the government bring terrorism as a nation? Does he know what a Nazidea is?
    We all well know what this kind of idea led to in Nazi Germany, in the Ottoman Empire.
    Yes, if the Bastrykins blocked sites in Germany, then there would be no fascism. feel
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 19 October 2017 18: 50
      +7
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      What did the man drink? Will the government bring terrorism as a nation?

      No. The deputies will bring us Nazidea, and all other ideas will be terrorism. laughing
  5. Essex62
    Essex62 19 October 2017 17: 51
    +9
    The constitution says about private property - this is already an ideology. <For the sake of 300% of the profit, the capitalist will commit any crimes> Anti-terrorism is an absurd idea of ​​building a society in peacetime.
  6. Ayratelinsion
    Ayratelinsion 19 October 2017 17: 54
    +1
    But the ideology of contrasting is meaningless - it does not answer the question of where to move, it only indicates where to go is not worth it ...
  7. To be or not to be
    To be or not to be 19 October 2017 18: 02
    +6
    "The head of the IC of the Russian Federation proposed introducing a national idea into the Constitution of Russia" laughing
    Took-lifted and brought laughing
    "The national idea in philosophy is a systematic generalization of national identity. The national idea determines the meaning of the existence of a people, ethnic group or nation."
    NI itself ripens in society. formed in the process of life activities and accepted by the majority of society
    1. sogdy
      sogdy 19 October 2017 20: 16
      +2
      Where do you get such nonsense from?
      Especially the quotes of Dostoevsky and Solzhenitsyn, allegedly giving credibility ...
      Quote: To be or not to be
      The national idea determines the meaning of the existence of one or another people, ethnic group or nation

      Well, right in a very Russian way - "the meaning of existence." So they say about an alcoholic.
      1. To be or not to be
        To be or not to be 19 October 2017 21: 35
        0
        "" Without a higher idea, neither a person nor a nation can exist. "" P. 388 F.M. Dostoevsky Sobr. Op. in 15 tt. T. 13
      2. To be or not to be
        To be or not to be 19 October 2017 21: 38
        0
        Maybe you still have an opinion about the NI center of Sulakshin. Since the mat part is on the topic ..
        But read for yourself.
        http://rusrand.ru/analytics/iborlov-suschnost-i-f
        unktsii-nationsionalnoj-idei-strany
        1. sogdy
          sogdy 20 October 2017 14: 55
          0
          Quote: To be or not to be
          Maybe you still have an opinion about the NI center of Sulakshin. Since the mat part is on the topic ..

          I'm not talking about the authority of your slogans, but lousy - again about the bathhouse ...
  8. alexmach
    alexmach 19 October 2017 18: 11
    +5
    Yeah, well done. He suggested that someone else smart would formulate this idea so he wouldn’t have a price
    As one of the segments of the national idea, it is proposed to consider the rejection of terrorist and extremist activities in society.

    Rejection as an idea .. And what "For all the good and against all bad" is in my opinion a great idea, and most importantly, what is new and original.
    1. bk316
      bk316 19 October 2017 18: 20
      +2
      I suggested that someone else who would formulate this idea smart

      With tongue removed ....
    2. japs
      japs 19 October 2017 18: 48
      +4
      "Well, for the idea!" (with)
    3. stas
      stas 19 October 2017 19: 00
      +3
      The proponent of the idea of ​​brains is not enough to formulate this idea.
      He has an idea - to lick the authorities until the authorities find an even better slime.
      1. sogdy
        sogdy 19 October 2017 20: 33
        0
        Our whole mess started with the proclamation as a national idea of ​​"Democracy and Liberality", gradually replaced by their Western understanding.
        Now the idea of ​​"Sovereignness" is being gradually introduced, by the way, not from Maskvabad. Not EP is being promoted, but by the Bear and the LDPR.
        Quote: stas
        He has an idea - to lick the authorities until the authorities find an even better slime.

        Are you against the creatures of Karelin?
        1. Makarov
          Makarov 19 October 2017 21: 36
          0
          He speaks legal language ...
          1. sogdy
            sogdy 20 October 2017 14: 59
            0
            If about Bastrykin, then yes, he talks about the basis of state building, which actually determines the creation and application of legislation. And this is his job.
  9. pepel
    pepel 19 October 2017 18: 25
    +2
    Part 2, Art. 13 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation should be removed from the Constitution as unnecessary, because without an idea for what a family is being created, they will not even get married, and even a state without a national ideological mirage.
  10. Gardamir
    Gardamir 19 October 2017 18: 28
    +5
    the national idea is proposed to consider the rejection of terrorist and extremist activities in society.
    That is, Poklonskaya will be banned? Or, on the contrary, praying for Bloody will become national ideas?
  11. San Sanych
    San Sanych 19 October 2017 18: 29
    +2
    First you need to solve the housing problem in Russia
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 19 October 2017 18: 56
      0
      Quote: San Sanych
      First you need to solve the housing problem in Russia

      There is no housing problem in Russia.
      1. insular
        insular 20 October 2017 00: 35
        +2
        Quote: Setrac
        There is no housing problem in Russia.

        If only somewhere in another reality ...
    2. Raindragon
      Raindragon 19 October 2017 19: 01
      +1
      And how is the housing problem related to national ideology? I do not understand
      1. sogdy
        sogdy 19 October 2017 20: 38
        +1
        Actually connected. Only not with "ideology", but with "idea." Like a "way."
        1. To be or not to be
          To be or not to be 19 October 2017 21: 52
          0
          Like this ::::: "He noted that both business and officials, and in general all citizens work to make the country stronger.
          “Because, if that happens, every citizen will live better,” Putin said. “And there will be more prosperity and more comfortable, etc. This is the national idea.”
          He emphasized that this idea is not ideologized, is not related to the work of the party or any social structure.

          http://tass.ru/politika/2636647
  12. Chestnut
    Chestnut 19 October 2017 18: 30
    +6
    Russia needs an industrial revolution, but industrialization cannot be seen under Putin. He says import substitution in the camera, and meets German companies behind his eyes.
  13. Livonetc
    Livonetc 19 October 2017 18: 31
    +5
    At one time, people stupidly voted on the new constitution.
    There, for example, instead of the right to work, the right to freely express the ability to work was prescribed.
    Etc.
    We, of our own free will, turned into the wilds of wild capitalism.
    You can talk as much as you like, they made a mess, they made a mess.
    Let me remind you how ........ Yeltsin was voted in a semi-growing state.
    And remember how many votes Zhirinovsky received at one time when he promised every peasant vodka to every woman peasant.
    Giggled and voted.
    It must be related to everything that happens seriously and calmly.
    And to act on the mind and not under the influence of the momentarily caught under the tail.
    That's when the majority begins to rationally reasonably measure their own actions
    Then maybe hope will appear for the future.
    In the meantime, darkness.
  14. Agent_017
    Agent_017 19 October 2017 18: 31
    +2
    Maybe - NATIONAL IDEAS? And there will be many of them, because each nation has its own ideas .. Who is richer - more ideas, who is more victorious - fewer ideas, those dying out have one idea - to get decent earnings ...
    1. Raindragon
      Raindragon 19 October 2017 19: 06
      0
      Each nation has its own idea, its own culture - then its own state is already a necessity, since the peoples are not on the way. No, don’t need this, I’d better live in a single Russia
      1. sogdy
        sogdy 19 October 2017 20: 41
        0
        Quote: RainDragon
        I'd rather live in a single Russia

        Well, that’s the single idea - “one single Russia”. Is there anyone against it?
  15. SCHMEL
    SCHMEL 19 October 2017 18: 53
    +1
    We all well know what this kind of idea led to in Nazi Germany, in the Ottoman Empire.

    No. It is necessary to think more about Russia and it is more useful to give analogies since 1917 as an example
  16. APASUS
    APASUS 19 October 2017 19: 01
    +5
    An important detail of Alexander Bastrykin’s speech was the proposal to introduce Russia's national idea into the country's Basic Law

    But did Bastrykim formulate the national idea of ​​modern Russia? I doubt that at the moment you can find a unifying idea of ​​a nation, with such a material stratification, it can perhaps be stated that the nation is torn by contradictions, which unites common ideas.
    They put money at the forefront, and now look for what can replace these blunders of the authorities?
  17. LAWNER
    LAWNER 19 October 2017 19: 30
    +4
    The national idea should be !!! .... but not tied to religion ...... All evil from fanatics ... Whose God is cooler ....
    They couldn’t solve anything by bans already ... Yes, and morons discussed the whole idea of ​​public participation in the life of the state ...
    Starting from trade unions (dependent), youth organizations (one-sided), fighters for democracy (500 rubles per head), television (voyeurists from the first channel, and who is sleeping with whom? --- Morons, !!!), local liberals agitators (I want to change the life of the country, but there is no money to paint shops in one yard).
  18. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 19 October 2017 19: 30
    +6
    The national idea is needed as air. That's just the majority of the people for social justice, and our anti-people government - for neo-feudalism. And the people for her are in 25th place.
  19. Kerensky
    Kerensky 19 October 2017 19: 37
    0
    Maybe we’ll plunge the pyramids in the middle of Siberia? Let the gas down, let the torch upstairs burn. How do you like the idea?
    1. Raindragon
      Raindragon 20 October 2017 01: 42
      0
      Generally a variant of the rules. We will gather people, build cities for workers in Siberia, overtake workers for the construction of the millennium, improve living conditions, work better, cover America with a copper basin - so as not to interfere, we will fix the economy in the direction of pyramid production ...
      Although not, a scale is needed here - immediately not Ancient Egypt, we will be abruptly. But to drill a hole in the moon - the scale is right
  20. Roman 57 rus
    Roman 57 rus 19 October 2017 19: 53
    0
    The national idea (ideology) should become: high-quality, absolutely free education (including a university). Literacy is easier to teach literate.
    1. Raindragon
      Raindragon 20 October 2017 01: 45
      0
      It’s even easier to do - half the country into a teacher, another into students ... A personal approach to each student is a fairy tale, not an education
  21. ultra
    ultra 19 October 2017 19: 54
    +6
    Bastrykin do your immediate duties !!!! am
  22. Makarov
    Makarov 19 October 2017 21: 15
    +2
    This call, without a referendum, as far as I understand, is impossible to implement. A referendum without the Law "On the Constitutional Assembly" ... I do not think that the elites will allow the demolition of the existing state of things to begin ... and therefore it is interesting to whom this "sinal"
  23. Victor-M
    Victor-M 19 October 2017 21: 51
    +1
    Quote: DEPARTMENT
    And the forum member "Komsomol" is just one of these Western mongrels and has appropriated such a nickname ...

    This is * a ram under such nicknames and is hiding and still hiding behind Russian flags, and then they blame the Russians for all their antics.
  24. Cobra77
    Cobra77 19 October 2017 22: 47
    +2
    Yeah, we’ll add spiritual bonds and church tithes to the constitution and it’ll be nom!
  25. RL
    RL 19 October 2017 23: 03
    +2
    Deal with Chechnya and Tatarstan. You laugh, Russians
  26. Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 20 October 2017 00: 02
    +3
    Inok10,
    Well, in that case, tell me at least which sites should be closed, otherwise I’m completely confused. And then here give each his own. To whom is the housing issue, to whom is education. laughing
    1. Klaus
      Klaus 20 October 2017 01: 16
      +2
      Then he saw in the internet, they closed someone’s quote from "Chipolino" laughing
  27. Chiga Lykov
    Chiga Lykov 20 October 2017 00: 11
    +2
    Only.!!!! To the table of grades of civil servants add ... SERVANT OF THE PEOPLE !!! TO REMEMBER FOR WHAT THEY ARE. That's the whole NAC. IDEA.
  28. Klaus
    Klaus 20 October 2017 01: 14
    +5
    Honestly, honestly: are you ready that the uncle in the photograph in the top of the article will come up with and write down a national idea for us in the Constitution? Is that honest? Look at the photo and decide.
    TFR has become preoccupied with the national idea ... They have come. And this is at a time when on the 1st channel of a TV show (!) Several programs are already being sorted out by the whole world, was the child drunk, hit by a car drunk, or not ??? And how many such cases are there in the country? TFR should not be preoccupied with national ideas, but roll up their sleeves and work in the sweat of their faces, and deal with their immediate responsibilities.
    1. askort154
      askort154 20 October 2017 08: 37
      0
      Klaus .....SCR preoccupied with the national idea ... We have come.


      The most important investigator decided to prove himself in "politics." Apparently, he is preparing the rear. Who else but him should know that in "politics" one can live comfortably to the grave: neither age qualifications, nor any responsibility, and most importantly - is not subject to jurisdiction. tongue
  29. Radikal
    Radikal 20 October 2017 01: 36
    +2
    Quote: dauria
    Our deputies will look for an idea for a hundred years


    Yes, they have already found for themselves a long time ago. It's just that they are ashamed to make it public - "Devour the sweeter, sleep longer and all at the expense of others" laughing
    Here's how to put it into the constitution?

    Of course, they won’t stick it into the constitution - for the people they’ll come up with some other “carrot” or “horror story”! wassat
  30. Gunxnumx
    Gunxnumx 20 October 2017 05: 59
    0
    It is high time. Thanks to the "democrats," they emasculated the Constitution in due time. Of course, we need a national idea in the Basic Law.
  31. Shurale
    Shurale 20 October 2017 06: 33
    +1
    There are only two types of national ideas: the public good (communism) and the personal good (capitalism) guess which one will be accepted?
  32. kig
    kig 20 October 2017 07: 46
    0
    e-mine, so different classes of our people have completely different national ideas. Mr. Bastrykin would have to somehow concretize at least his idea regarding the national idea.
  33. iouris
    iouris 20 October 2017 11: 48
    0
    And de I am?
  34. M. Michelson
    M. Michelson 21 October 2017 03: 14
    0
    This is in what constitution, in Yeltsin?
    What problems? At least so: drink and hangover, as the great Yeltsin bequeathed! What is not an idea?
    wassat