Syrian MiG-29CM able to effectively counter the Israeli F-35

The Syrian fighters MiG-29CM represent a real threat to the F-35, recently entered into service with the Israeli Air Force, writes Messenger of Mordovia with reference to Syrian sources.

“Earlier it was reported that, thanks to Russian assistance, a number of MiG-29 airplanes of the air forces of the friendly Arab country were upgraded to the level of MiG-29-CMT. However, at present, Syrian sources indicate the presence of a simpler version of the MiG-29CM, ”the article says.

Even in this version, the fighters are able to defeat the 5-generation aircraft. This is possible "thanks to the excellent maneuverability, as well as improved optical-location stations, capable of detecting the enemy in a hidden mode," notes the author Dmitry Lemeshko.

According to him, the modern Russian air-to-air missiles P-77, which have anti-jam active homing heads, appeared in service with the SAR Air Force.

Improved MiG-29 also learned how to apply adjustable types of ammunition to ground targets.

Currently, judging by the information that has appeared on the network, Syrian pilots are engaged in the development of this modern technology.

Comments

[Pivot]

I am afraid that the minds of the Arabs will not be enough to resist the children of Israel.

[inkass_98]

Now these children will come running and explain everything .
But really - yes, here you must be able to use the tool, then the result will be appropriate.

[33 Watcher]

[B] [/ b]

Quote: inkass_98

Now these children will come running and explain everything.

Why explain it? Another fortune-telling on coffee grounds ... Maybe it can, maybe not

[NEXUS]

Quote: Observer 33

Maybe it can, maybe not

There was no combat clash, what are we talking about?

[okko077]

Why a combat clash? Without it, everything is visible ... Let's start with the combat radius - without tanks less than 700 km ... is this for the MIG-35? It’s very little for a strike aircraft, for a fighter it’s possible to hang tanks, it will become 1000 km ... For Syria it may be enough ... But now there are need for strike aircraft, only all photos have rockets or empty APUs ... And why? It has a very weak engine both in terms of specific gravity and specific consumption ... It’s better not to compare it with Amers and French ... It will pull us for a three, but it will be very difficult to sell with competition ... Optoelectronic system against the background of the new French hanging container anywhere! And close maneuverable combat, so you still have to fly to it ... So, wretchedly, only out of the desire to save design bureau and work there is no end ....

[ganjin]

Comparable engines for the lightweight instant-35. And a radius of 1000km. And what Syria needs there, I think Syria knows better.

[Vladimir16]

Here you do not need a mind, but experience and skill. The Jews currently have neither one nor the other with regards to the F-35. Our equipment is reliable and not inferior to the mattress.
And you continue to be afraid. To each his own.

[Incvizitor]

The Jews currently have neither one nor the other with regards to the F-35.

Do Syrians have this with regards to the MIGs?

[Lex.]

Here you do not need a mind, but experience and skill. Jews currently have neither one nor the other
Have you come to your senses or who has crawled?

[Primoos]

Quote: Pivot

I am afraid that the minds of the Arabs will not be enough to resist the children of Israel.

The Arabs are no more stupid than the Jews, just for the most part dolt. As for the pilots, this is an individual approach to each. Pilot item goods. In the air, the Jews will not yield.

[just exp]

And how many Arab high-tech products have you seen?

[Wedmak]

Oriental sweets are considered?

[MadCat]

Quote: Wedmak

Oriental sweets are considered?

Are you talking about pies with poppy seeds? Then yes, they have no equal in this, all markets have failed.

[Primoos]

The Jewish main high-tech product is usury, a simple robbery. Hence all the other "successes" of the chosen ones.

[just exp]

in addition, Jews make UAVs, electronics for military equipment, they make their own air defense systems (not without the help of the USA in the field of missile defense, but still), their guided weapons of destruction (UAB and UR), their radars, they lured participation in the development of Intel processors , they create their own firms to develop prof. Software that is not an example more powerful than the same Kaspersky (checkpoint), they have their own pharmaceuticals and more.
you can think of ordinary Jews as anyone (I hate banking kagal myself), but they are definitely not stupid and it’s worth recognizing that they are not just smarter than Arabs, they are much smarter than Arabs.
and besides, the Arabs are not only stupid, but also cowardly, look how they are fighting, what is the situation with the igilatine under the USSR (Arab-Israeli wars).

[Lord]

Quote: Primoos

The Jewish main high-tech product is usury, a simple robbery. Hence all the other "successes" of the chosen ones.

More precisely - you fiercely want it to be so. But alas, in our reality your Wishlist have no weight. Sorry.

[ganjin]

I have seen many “high-tech” sciences from Arabs. For example, we use their calculus system and the Arabic term in the sciences is full. While Europe had the dark Middle Ages, science was roughly promoted by the Arabs. I’m not rebuking the Jews, if that. Just the Arabs, too, are not made with a finger)

[ganjin]

By the way, there was a topic that the Arabs wanted to buy a drone from the Arabs, I do not know if they bought it or not.

[Beitar]

Quote: ganjin

that they wanted to buy a drone from the Arabs,

This is what Ukrainians made in the Emirates in 2011, and still not where not lit up?
https://topwar.ru/8438-novyy-bpla-proizvodstva-oa
e.html
How would you understand that there is only money from Arabic ???
More examples of technology will be?

[Pivot]

Unfortunately, one-on-one aces fights have remained in the distant past, well-developed tactics are important here, each special operation must be worked out step by step, the Arabs cannot do this and the Israelis are very experienced in this.

[IL-18]

These MiGs have neither target designation from AWACS nor normal ground support at the moment. Israelis in such a situation, even with Kfir or Phantom, will be able to beat the Syrians even on the Su-57 (T-50). Maybe when the war in Syria is over, ours will be able to change something here, but for now, drive the Barmaleev and raise pilots for the new Syrian Air Force.

[Vita vko]

Quote: IL-18

These MiGs have neither target designation from AWACS nor normal ground support at the moment.

This is the main advantage of Stealth technology. Without reliable control from the ground, any search turns into a search for "needles in a haystack." But even if the target is timely discovered, then take-off and guidance require time, which Syria does not have due to the fact that the Dutch heights are under Israeli control, and all that is behind them is an area of ​​continuous radio shadow. Any Israeli plane emerges from behind the mountains like a gin from a snuffbox. Even the 5-minute reaction of the S-300 air defense system may not be enough, let alone 30 minutes for the Mig-s. Syria must either provide control over the Golan Heights and install several P-18 radars there. You can get hold of a radar patrol ship (CRLD). It from the sea will allow much more efficient and reliable control of airspace, although the goal for the Israeli Navy will be a priority.

[IL-18]

Right.
When you look at what is happening in Syria, you immediately recall the MiG-90, -21, -23, Su-27 ruined in the 17s. It’s just that more modern aircraft do not show themselves completely. And to perpetuate their stay in Tartus and Khmeinim, these old men would be the most significant material argument.

[Beitar]

Quote: Vita VKO

no due to the fact that the Dutch heights are under Israeli control,

It's a lie. Israel has the Golan Heights! And what you wrote (Dutch), the devil knows where they are, and most likely in the Netherlands.

[grandson of Perun]

There are no heights in the Netherlands. There are generally half a country below sea level.

[Beitar]

Thanks, Cap!

[grandson of Perun]

It turns out you are too lazy to put a smiley

[edeligor]

Quote: Beitar

most likely in the Netherlands

[Lex.]

Rabinovich?

[Vita vko]

Quote: Beitar

It's a lie

You need to read to the end, and not draw conclusions based on a typo. The following is written correctly.

[Lord]

Quote: Vita VKO

Dutch heights are under Israeli control

GoLLаVATKie heights are controlled by Holland.
In Israel GoлаnsKie heights.

[stone]

"Arabs are no stupider than the Jews."
There is not a single nation that is smarter or dumber than another. Physically, we are all the same. The whole difference is in upbringing, education, value system, mentality.
Just look at how the Israeli Air Force is nurturing - this is a clearly debugged powerful system that includes not only the aircraft itself. But all the related services of electronic warfare, UAVs, AWACS, refueling in the air, a large set of precision weapons.
Hence the result is always deplorable for the Arabs, in the air to the greatest extent.

[Lord]

Quote: Primoos

Pilot, piece goods. In the air, they will not yield to the Jews.

Always yielded, but now they will immediately take and not give in? Grace descended on them massively?

[krops777]

I am afraid that the minds of the Arabs will not be enough to resist the children of Israel.

Well, the Koreans were taught, not bad against the exceptional fought, not so that we will not teach the Syrians.

[Krasnodar]

Amers were thrown to the 38th parallel by the Chinese under the air cover of the Russians. That the North, that the South Koreans fought so-so.

[krops777]

Amers were thrown to the 38th parallel by the Chinese under the air cover of the Russians. That the North, that the South Koreans fought so-so.

It is not necessary to belittle the merits of the North Koreans, without having any superiority over the USA, they fought well.

[Krasnodar]

The husband of my aunt (grandmother's sister) participated in these events. He told us something else.

[Lex.]

Well, the Koreans were taught, not bad against the exceptional fought, not so that we will not teach the Syrians.
Nothing will come of it
The fight lasted 6 minutes. At 14.26, Mordechai Khod forbade the pursuit of MiGs and ordered Israeli pilots to return to base [16] [1]: 40-41 [2] [19] [3].

The four (Saranin, Vasiliev, Mazur, Suprun) took off after the start of the four Yurchenko in three minutes and arrived at the battlefield, where there was no one else, and there were only three smoke from the fallen aircraft [19].

[vik669]

SMT mind will add.

[RL]

You know, “I’m afraid that the Arabs’s mind will not be enough to resist the children of Israel.” This is not a matter of the mind, but a question of education in a certain cultural environment and in the educational system, in the rivalry of the “pre-Middle Ages” and modern times.
Here the Arabs and their friends, especially those whose USE is imprisoned under the pocket of their parents, lose in this competition. Give the retarded, even the most advanced MiGs, lose the “stagnation” F - ??. Give the most advanced F - ?? backward, lose to all MiGs.

[Pivot]

If the Arabs were smarter than the Israelis, there would be no state of Israel. This was told to me by my colleague from Israel, not an immigrant but a hereditary Israelite. And he said thanks to the Soviet Union for immigrants, thanks to them, the country has reached a new level in all sectors.

[Beitar]

Quote: Pivot

not an immigrant

The repatriate though.

[Pivot]

Immigrant.

[Beitar]

http://www.moia.gov.il/Russian/Pages/default.aspx
You will find this word on the official website of Min. Absorption, I will publicly apologize to you.

[Pivot]

And I’m not offended, so there’s no need to apologize))

[Pivot]

I am not offended so there is no need to apologize, and you, as an immigrant, do not call him anyway.

[Beitar]

Do you understand the difference between: Immigrant, Emigrant, Repatriate? If not, then I will not apologize, I will not argue.

[Pivot]

As I understand it, the homeland of our Jews and their ancestors is the Russian Empire and the Soviet Union. So they are not repatriates.

[gfktcnbyf59]

it was enough to be the most ancient, SURROUNDING nation ...... I think it is not necessary to continue?

[family tree]

Quote: Pivot

I'm afraid that the Arabs will not have enough mind

And there nefig think with your mind, everything is on reflexes. To the foreman in the barracks, so that no outside thoughts would arise, and the pilot-major instructor, so that he could dry up on flights. Damn, the Russians will turn out again August 5 will start with vodka

[Pivot]

But our experience is not enough, and we don’t need it.

[Kent0001]

He always lacked them for these purposes, and with an overwhelming superiority in many areas.

[Pivot]

Experience in such matters is earned by blood, and we have it in short supply today.

[Settlement Oparyshev]

SAR pilots, very brave guys, flew beautifully on old semi-defective dryers, obviously without catapults.
And now they have almost modern powerful hawks. The world experience of the war at 29x is considerable, they will learn and do things. The combat experience did not immediately come to the young sapper.

[Maz]

Magde Israeli experts? The author of the article cries for them.

[Berber]

This is to the question: "Are MiGs needed?" For Syria, in my opinion, just right. Relatively inexpensive and effective.

[stas]

The Messenger of Mordovia knows about Mig more than in the Moscow Region and the CIA.

[Sergey Ui]

Let there be srach !!!

[Berber]

Well yes. Just the people of Israel did not read the article.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: BerBer

Well yes. Just the people of Israel did not read the article.

I've read. I just don’t know what to comment on.

[Beitar]

Comment comments, it's more interesting!

[Berber]

Well, give a reason that you should.

[Beitar]

An entire article has been written for you ....

[Grandfather]

Syrian MiG-29CM able to effectively counter the Israeli F-35

everything is theoretical. the article is about nothing.

[Berber]

Sounds like an advertising slogan. I’ll clarify - they can counteract in certain conditions.

[NIKNN]

Quote: BerBer

Sounds like an advertising slogan. I’ll clarify - they can counteract in certain conditions.

Perhaps in any conditions they can counteract, the question is with what result ...

[Lord]

Quote: BerBer

I’ll clarify - they can counteract in certain conditions.

In an extremely narrowly defined.

Quote: NIKNN

Perhaps in any conditions they can counteract, the question is with what result ...

With a very deplorable, judging by the history.

[Dead duck]

Abram is interested in a neighbor:
- Rabinovich! I heard you read anti-Semitic newspapers!
- Well, yes, I read.
- How can you! You are a Jew!
- And it’s very simple. At first I read Jewish newspapers. There is such a depression, I tell you! Everyone wants to exterminate the Jews, all around anti-Semitism, oppression, problems, everyone cries ... I literally could not sleep! And now I read the anti-Semitic press - and what do you think? Solid positive! Jews rule the world, they captured everything, they are the richest, they decide everything everywhere!

[Berber]

Software philosophically. I have never looked at the Jewish question from this perspective.

[Partyzan]

Well, then there’s nothing to say

[Dym71]

Quote: Partyzan

Well, then there’s nothing to say

But why? Winnie is an international star!

[bk316]

Key phrase:

Currently, judging by the information that has appeared on the network, Syrian pilots are engaged in the development of this modern technology.

And will they consecrate it and how will Allah consecrate it ....

[Puss in Boots]

to land a pair of 35x, where the thread on the Lebanese border, as a training, it would not be bad (a joke, if someone did not understand)

[Partyzan]

Quote: Cat in Boots

land a pair of 35x

but as? they are invisible

[Vlad5307]

Quote: bk316

Key phrase:

Currently, judging by the information that has appeared on the network, Syrian pilots are engaged in the development of this modern technology.

And will they consecrate it and how will Allah consecrate it ....

Representatives of all nations can master - everything depends on the level of education of the flight personnel, and this problem is being solved. Yes, and with the instructors, I hope there will be no problems.

[Egorovich]

A battle in the sky will show who is who, if held. The Syrians are only mastering the MIG-29SM (or SMT), but the Jews have not yet flown on the F-35. It’s hard to guess who will win.

[igor67]

Quote: Egorovich

A battle in the sky will show who is who, if held. The Syrians are only mastering the MIG-29SM (or SMT), but the Jews have not yet flown on the F-35. It’s hard to guess who will win.

Israel has long mastered MIG29

[groks]

It's not about the mind, and not just about the skills. From the experience of Korea, Vietnam, Egypt, ... it turned out that you first need to teach local people how to eat properly. Since pilots do not keep overload on a banana diet.

[Makarov]

Messenger of Mordovia? .. This is of course the level .... especially in the original http://vestnik-rm.ru/news-4-21693.htm there are no references to the Syrians .. this is purely the opinion of NONAME of the author of the article ... Big request: do not turn the site into a garbage dump .... For "... For whom the truth is he is stronger .." (c)

[Berkut24]

It is unlikely that Israel will arrange air battles. Most likely, from under the silence, the first to launch missiles being over Lebanon and dump. And after that they will talk about the effectiveness of the F-35.

[Sharansky]

This is efficiency. The ability to covertly strike and quietly move away.

[Berkut24]

... without declaring war and from someone else's territory. Preferably in the back. This is not an air battle. This is just a trick that has nothing to do with technology and its characteristics, tactics of application, detection range. weapons capabilities, etc.

[Sharansky]

Already since the 40s, no one has ever declared to anyone. The time of chivalry is long over.
And the possibility of applying sudden stealth is directly related to the characteristics of the technique. With normal intelligence and normal detection systems, a stab in the back is basically impossible. And if the F-35 is capable of delivering such a blow, then this is an indicator of its superiority over protective equipment.

[Neputin]

And what are you in Israel then yelling about that. that terrorists are blowing you up at markets and synagogues? After all, the times of chivalry have already passed. How are your methods different from terrorist methods? Yes, nothing. And if so, then close the hawala and eat, just don’t get covered.

[Sharansky]

You would stop eating. And then you see Israel everywhere.

[Neputin]

And I haven't started yet. And if I use it, God forbid, I’ll smear you with your Israel on the wall in the style of Mr. Satanovsky. Whose cow ... as they say.

[Sharansky]

I say stop it. Already aggression has appeared. Togo and look at the monkey monkey at such a pace, along with your mess.

[MadCat]

Quote: Berkut24

... without declaring war and from foreign territory

So, since 1948, Syria and Lebanon declared war on Israel and no one has signed a peace treaty, so your "quiet" is another idle talk by a passing inhabitant.

[Berber]

So how should it be? Knightly forehead to forehead?

[Berkut24]

Here we are not discussing the chivalrous exploits of the Red Baron. We are discussing the possible outcome of a clash in combat. A non-motivated attack on a plane that is not going to engage in battle has nothing to do with comparing the combat capabilities of combat vehicles. It's like a story with our SU-24 shot down by the Turks. What is the point after comparing the Su-24 with the F-16? If there were a Su-34, it would be shot at point blank range.

[tchoni]

So far, I have only heard about successful Israeli air strikes on the ATS. Neither about successful retaliatory strikes, nor about successful intercepts of Israeli aircraft or missiles. As soon as I hear - I will say MiG 29 steers. In the meantime, the news is not more valuable than the news in the flat bears of polar bears)

[rpuropuu]

a number of MIG-29 aircraft

The question is how much is the most "some"

Syrian pilots are busy mastering this modern technology

Wait and see

[Rash]

Quote: Makarov

Messenger of Mordovia? .. This is of course the level .... especially in the original http://vestnik-rm.ru/news-4-21693.htm there are no references to the Syrians .. this is purely the opinion of NONAME of the author of the article ... Big request: do not turn the site into a garbage dump .... For "... For whom the truth is he is stronger .." (c)

The Bulletin of Mordovia is a very reputable weapon-related resource. bmpd also refers to it.

[Makarov]

Yes, you never know who refers to anyone ... but at the expense of authority this business is such ... competent SEO and any project can be called authoritative regardless of the ideas that it spreads. Judging by this article, as for me, the "Messenger of Mordovia" does not hesitate to work with propaganda ... and this is not journalism. This article is an opinion, and very controversial. That’s why the placement in the News section for me looks like a manipulation of opinion from the category "Yes, we will throw them all their hats", which in war conditions has always been considered idiocy of pure water ...

[Incvizitor]

It's not just about fighters, but mainly about the pilot’s experience, tactics, and the number will definitely affect it, it will be difficult for the elites to fight on the irons, and if there is 50 more, for example, it will shine, or 91H6E with 400 ...
It's just that at random it's hard to compare all this ...

[Sanek Kiselev]

The Bulletin of Mordovia clarified the situation, in reality everyone realizes not a single Russian aircraft can withstand the American f35, in comparison with it they are steam irons ...

[Krasnodar]

Yes, everything depends on the pilots and on those services.
Take a good driver to Toyota Corolla, a bad driver to Merin S-shku. Arrange races in the city. Who do you think will win?

[Elephant]

Probably the enemy’s missiles have greater maneuverability and can experience much greater overloads than the MIG-29 with a man on board. Amerikosy do not build their tactics of air combat on the direct collision of aircraft in battle ...

[Govorun]

Syrian MiG-29CM able to effectively counter the Israeli F-35
Than talking ... better to prove.

[Zaurbek]

And they can resist the F-16 Israeli? Without radar field, AWACS, normal communication with Syrian pilots?