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Almost 200 F-35 remain unprepared to participate in hostilities.

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According to a US Department of Defense report, the F-200 Lightning II fifth-generation F-35 5 airplanes in the US military are now less finished. At the same time, due to budget cuts, it is not possible to modernize them to a state sufficient to participate in hostilities, reports National Interest


Currently, the X-NUMX F-108A aircraft belonging to the Air Force and the 35 F-81B and F-35C aircraft (they were acquired by the Navy and Marine Corps) are not ready for combat use. Judging by their real capabilities, these nearly two hundred aircraft are only suitable for airshows and training missions.

Almost 200 F-35 remain unprepared to participate in hostilities.


The root of these problems is the simultaneous and parallel purchase of aircraft for the Air Force, Navy, and Marine Corps, which are not yet ready for mass production. The development of three different versions at once did not reduce costs as expected, but rather inflated them. In addition, this whole process took a lot of time - the first flight of the F-35 made in 2000 year, and testing the latest version of the software Block 3F is still ongoing.

In order to deliver the aircraft to the troops as early as possible, the Pentagon and Lockheed Martin decided to modernize them in the process of creation and production, which led to the fact that the 200 aircraft are very far from the latest version of the Block. 3F. Most of them are based on the Block 2B standard, two levels below the final, and there are more than 213 software and hardware differences between them.

Upgrading these aircraft to the possibility of participating in hostilities will cost the US military budget an additional 39 billion dollars. Therefore, at present, a proposal is being considered to leave these aircraft in the same status, not ready for real combat, but to upgrade sometime later, when time comes from the manufacturer’s company, and the required money.
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  1. bagr69
    bagr69 19 October 2017 09: 57 New
    +7
    They want to seem weaker than they really are?
    Something really smells like a deliberate dumping of misinformation.
    1. bulvas
      bulvas 19 October 2017 09: 58 New
      +5
      Quote: bagr69
      They want to seem weaker than they really are?


      agree

      Suddenly it turns out that they have 200 F-35 more than expected ...

      1. crazyrom
        crazyrom 19 October 2017 15: 46 New
        +1
        Yes, they are really weak. In Israel, the F-35 has long been flying and facing birds.
        1. tol100v
          tol100v 19 October 2017 21: 08 New
          0
          Quote: crazyrom
          Yes, they are really weak. In Israel, the F-35 has long been flying and facing birds.

          I don’t know, with birds or not with birds, but they don’t fly anymore! The quantitative advantage is impressive, BUT !, One combat Su is better than 200 35s in the state of scrap metal (for display in an air show), especially without software!
    2. Jedi
      Jedi 19 October 2017 09: 59 New
      +9
      Quote: bagr69
      They want to seem weaker than they really are?

      And ask for money. So to speak, two birds with one stone. yes
      1. just exp
        just exp 19 October 2017 10: 12 New
        +5
        then drank dough. for the development of 200 aircraft costs 39 billion dollars, that is, the development of an old aircraft costs almost 2 times more than a new aircraft.
      2. uav80
        uav80 19 October 2017 10: 12 New
        +8
        In a word LOKhkidMartin ...
        1. tol100v
          tol100v 19 October 2017 21: 17 New
          +1
          Quote: uav80
          In a word LOKhkidMartin ...

          Handsomely! Just add Boeing Moing and a couple of dozens of companies working as laundresses to develop the military budget of the SGA!
    3. Berber
      Berber 19 October 2017 10: 24 New
      +1
      If so, they are really planning an attack on us. If not, then drank normally dough. Ours is far from them. Applause. Judging by the trend, the second option is closer.
    4. Maz
      Maz 19 October 2017 10: 51 New
      +2
      I hope the Israeli fxnumx are ready, otherwise it’s a pity for the American taxpayers money, they’ll finance the defense capability of the great Israeli power
      1. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 19 October 2017 11: 04 New
        +5
        Quote: Maz
        I hope the Israeli fxnumx are ready, otherwise it’s a pity for the American taxpayers money, they’ll finance the defense capability of the great Israeli power

        You are a resident of Dnepropetrovsk, do not worry about the American taxpayers, but about your retirement and multditsinic service in Ukraine.
        1. Berkut24
          Berkut24 19 October 2017 12: 04 New
          +4
          By the way, did your special services catch the stork that crippled your new F-35? I mean, is it too early to prepare us an award sheet for it?
          1. Incvizitor
            Incvizitor 19 October 2017 14: 15 New
            +1
            So they kind of destroyed him the day before, he was called with another 200 ... laughing
          2. Shahno
            Shahno 19 October 2017 16: 20 New
            0
            Yes, there was a whole family. Already interred.
            1. Berkut24
              Berkut24 19 October 2017 18: 55 New
              0
              They also destroyed their house with an excavator, as is customary for you?
      2. tol100v
        tol100v 19 October 2017 21: 23 New
        0
        Quote: Maz
        I hope the Israeli f35 are ready,

        The elected people, unlike us, bring everything to mind not with a file, but with a file (so as not to cut off the excess! ") And that they are ready to go for ramming with the birds is yes!
    5. askort154
      askort154 19 October 2017 10: 59 New
      +7
      bagr69 .....Something really smells like a deliberate dumping of misinformation.


      Naturally, desa! Since 35, F-2000 has been actively participating in all military operations with the participation of the United States, in Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, including constantly bartering over Ukraine and the DPRK., As well as along the borders of Russia and China. It’s just that they are not seen there by modern air defense systems. In Israel, F-35s fly with F-16 escort so they don't lose sight of yes
      1. tol100v
        tol100v 19 October 2017 21: 27 New
        +2
        Quote: askort154
        In Israel, F-35s fly with F-16 escort so they don't lose sight of

        They are visible only in the budgets of the countries that purchased them!
  2. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 19 October 2017 09: 58 New
    +3
    Well, with god. Let them continue ... It seems that only the Israeli will be fighting, and the rest - for demonstrations laughing laughing laughing
    1. novel66
      novel66 19 October 2017 10: 18 New
      +4
      for sure, someone who and Jews will bring their planes to mind, maybe. the only owners of combat-ready vehicles will be
      1. St Petrov
        St Petrov 19 October 2017 10: 37 New
        +1
        Jews of course those are still aircraft builders
        1. d ^ Amir
          d ^ Amir 19 October 2017 10: 46 New
          +5
          what ??? very self-builders of aircraft ... at least the electronic filling of the so-called avionics is the best in the world .... no matter how sad it is for us to know about it .... and in an instant they upgrade and even the A-50 ....
          http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2275031.html
          1. ADmA_RUS
            ADmA_RUS 19 October 2017 10: 58 New
            0
            Not even funny. Troll gracefully.
            1. d ^ Amir
              d ^ Amir 19 October 2017 11: 04 New
              +3
              Are you sorry about what ????
              1. corporal
                corporal 19 October 2017 11: 27 New
                +2
                Quote: d ^ Amir
                Are you sorry about what ????

                He's about his cheers-patriotic.
        2. tol100v
          tol100v 19 October 2017 21: 33 New
          0
          Quote: c-Petrov
          Jews of course those are still aircraft builders

          Those are not the ones, but there are a lot of MAI graduates! And in Japan there are enough masters to perfect any product to perfection only with the help of excellent carpentry tools.
  3. Don
    Don 19 October 2017 09: 58 New
    +2
    For them, it’s not scary if the remaining more than 3000 F-35 fighter jets are released in a ready state. But why do they need so many of these planes, if not for war, the question is open.
    1. pvv113
      pvv113 19 October 2017 10: 01 New
      +5
      Quote: Donskoy
      if the remaining more than 3000

      Control Word - IF
  4. Alex_Rarog
    Alex_Rarog 19 October 2017 10: 03 New
    +1
    And how many total irons are there?))) Minus 200 not bad so it turns out as they say hurry .....
  5. Guillon
    Guillon 19 October 2017 10: 06 New
    0
    So sell them faster to Israel and other NATO henchmen, until they rust and become a pile of scrap metal! laughing
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 19 October 2017 10: 22 New
      +1
      “So sell them faster to Israel” ///

      Lord We would take all the "unprepared". And in a week
      they would be ready, like cucumbers, for hostilities.
      1. Svarog51
        Svarog51 19 October 2017 10: 42 New
        10
        And why don’t you take these 200 to load, as long as Lockheed has no time? 39 billion on the road are not lying? Oh yes! Loot is still not allocated to it. Until. Actually, you will pay by plane. For the idea to me, percent of the transaction amount.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 19 October 2017 10: 58 New
          +2
          “And why don’t you take these 200 to load, as long as Lockheed has no time?” ///

          The idea is a good one. drinks Ours would do it quickly, faster than the rest.
          Of course, it doesn't smell like billions, but by millions - yes. Including checks.
          Send the details of your business attorney to seal the deal. fellow
          1. Svarog51
            Svarog51 19 October 2017 11: 26 New
            +8
            Aaron hi
            to fasten a deal

            No lawyer needed, we’ll manage ourselves drinks The extra tail is grief for us.
            And my business lawyer is busy, she left for work, and I am a pensioner - that’s what I have fun in a good company. wink
      2. tomket
        tomket 19 October 2017 10: 54 New
        +1
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Lord We would take all the "unprepared". And in a week
        they would be ready, like cucumbers, for hostilities.

        To fight with birds?))))))
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 19 October 2017 11: 04 New
          +2
          Birds - we have a problem. Flight routes pass through Israel
          birds from Europe to Africa (and vice versa). They fly in the coastal strip and over the sea
          near the shore. Including large: storks, cranes, pelicans.
          And pilots of helicopters and planes need to follow in both.
      3. NEXUS
        NEXUS 19 October 2017 15: 11 New
        +2
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Lord We would take all the "unprepared". And in a week
        they would be ready, like cucumbers, for hostilities.

        Sure? Often, remaking is much more difficult than doing it from scratch ... and secondly, is there enough money for these "cucumbers"?
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 19 October 2017 15: 21 New
          +1
          I wrote this because we have avionics engineers and technicians
          the dog was eaten on alterations and upgrades of various aircraft.
          Both American and Russian.
          Sometimes they gutted some MiG-21s completely and mounted all new systems,
          cables again. Therefore, everyone turns to Israel for upgrades.
          We get F-35 already with some of our systems. Take alien planes
          not so profitable, but if they would have offered cheaper, as if "unfinished",
          then they would take them - to bring to the level of the last "blocks" there are no problems.
          1. Kasym
            Kasym 19 October 2017 18: 20 New
            +1
            Something is wrong here. 39 billion for the development of 200 aircraft, we get 195 million for each. But this is more than a new one! Maybe it's from a series that the new is cheaper than remaking the old. Then some kind of dou can be obtained, and not a station wagon. And the second one. They write for software and all kinds of "electronics" - is it really a lot of money and time that is needed to completely replace this !? I think it can be done faster and cheaper than building a new one. Some kind of contradiction turns out. And money is hard to believe.
            Warrior, you’re right, it’s better to give Israel and let them “remake” to block 3 (4) - it will be cheaper by an order of magnitude, definitely. hi
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 19 October 2017 21: 15 New
              0
              . "Then some kind of dourohm turns out, not a wagon." ///

              You are absolutely right - an article of this level. It’s clear that there are no billions, and
              Upgrading to the last "block" is very simple.
  6. Wedmak
    Wedmak 19 October 2017 10: 07 New
    +6
    Refining these aircraft to the possibility of participating in hostilities will cost the American military budget an additional 39 billion dollars.

    Who waved their hands and argued that everything is fine and soon all the planes will be completed, updated, is it easy and fast - plug in the cable and download new software?
    And they still did not believe it when I proved to you that the simultaneous creation and serial purchase of such complex aircraft would end badly.
    Receive, sign.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 19 October 2017 10: 20 New
      +1
      "easy and fast - plug in a cable and download new software?" ///

      And there is.
      1. iConst
        iConst 19 October 2017 10: 25 New
        0
        Quote: voyaka uh
        "easy and fast - plug in a cable and download new software?" ///

        And there is.

        Even easier - just delete the Israeli bookmark ... laughing
      2. Wedmak
        Wedmak 19 October 2017 10: 35 New
        +4
        What is it? Did you even read the article?
        Most of them are created according to the Block 2B standard, two levels lower than the final one, and there are more than 213 software and hardware differences between them.

        If we are talking about hardware differences, these "devices" still need to be produced, checked and only then put on the plane. And then fill in the software, and then tests again.
        I don’t know, do you have anything to do with technology? Even when flashing a regular smartphone, there is a real chance to get a brick. And you are talking about the most complicated electronics of a combat aircraft, where the control computer is far from alone.
        True refinement worth 39 billions of dollars raises doubts: either the mental abilities of design engineers (which is unlikely), or the impudence of individuals sawing the budget went beyond the scope of the solar system.
        1. iwind
          iwind 19 October 2017 11: 16 New
          +8
          Quote: Wedmak
          True refinement worth 39 billions of dollars raises doubts: either the mental abilities of design engineers (which is unlikely), or the impudence of individuals sawing the budget went beyond the scope of the solar system.

          The article is a complete deception ... They came up with news and joyful.
          Not to mention the amount.
          The air force has 108 F-35A aircraft that need to be upgraded from a Block 2B or 3i configuration. The cost of installing the update is different, depending on the configuration of the hardware of the aircraft.
          -> 26 F-35A software updates only
          -> 19 F-35A new processor (DSP), it will take three days to install and test
          -> 18 F-35A new HMDS helmet in addition to the processor (DSP), installation and testing will take 15 days
          -> 45 F-35A will require a “Tech Refresh 2 Modification,” which consists of 26 major components and takes approximately 30 days for each aircraft to install and test.
          https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/us-air
          -force-must-retrofit-108-f-35as-434241 /
          And not to mention what happened with all the planes in the world F-4, F-16, F-15, Su-27, etc.
          Always and at all part of the planes remain in training units.
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 19 October 2017 11: 26 New
            +2
            And not to mention what happened with all the planes in the world.

            I can confuse what. But I have not heard about the serial production of the aircraft, which is still at the stage of tests and improvements. Unless during the war.
            1. iwind
              iwind 19 October 2017 11: 45 New
              +1
              Quote: Wedmak
              And not to mention what happened with all the planes in the world.

              I can confuse what. But I have not heard about the serial production of the aircraft, which is still at the stage of tests and improvements. Unless during the war.

              Все.
              The first Su-27s entered the armed forces in 1984., by the end of next year, a significant number of such fighters were already released, and mass re-equipment of parts of fighter aircraft of the air defense and air forces began on a new type of aircraft. State joint tests of the Su-27 were completed in 1985. However, some systems of on-board electronic equipment (primarily REP equipment and a group action management system) required additional tests, which were carried out according to special programs already at the end of the GSI. After debugging the entire avionics complex by the Decree of the Council of Ministers of the USSR from 23 augycra 1990 g. The Su-27 was officially adopted by the Soviet Air Force and Air Defense.
              Tests of the Su-27 in various programs continued for several more years.

              Su-35
              In December 2012, Sukhoi handed over to the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation 6 serial multi-functional fighters Su-35S. Corresponding documents on the acceptance of aircraft were signed at the Yu.A. Gagarin Aviation Production Association (KnAAPO), which is part of the holding Komsomolsk-on-Amur.

              02105 ● Su-35C No. 23 RF-95148 (28.09.2014), from 08.10.2014 at 23 IAP, on 17.02.2015/11/0 a general / SNE raid - 9/0 h, 03.2015/20.05.2015 p, 9–13.08.2015 departed for Lipetsk to participate in the preparation of the air part of the parade on May 56. On 37/30.10.2015/93, an attack of SNE of 62 h / XNUMX p. As of XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX, an attack of SNE of XNUMX h / XNUMX p. 25.01.2016/28.01.2016/22 returned to service after improvements. XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX transferred to XNUMX IAP. On 18.02.2016/102/65, an SNE attack of 23 h / XNUMX p. Later received No. XNUMX;

              ;

              02106 ● Su-35C No. 24 RF-95493 (25.10.2014), from 20.11.2014/23/17.02.2015 at 16 IAP, on 0/13/0 a general raid / SNE - 03.2015/20.05.2015 h, 9/07.05.2015 p, 28–15 departed for Lipetsk to participate in the preparation of the air part of the parade on May XNUMX, at XNUMX. XNUMX SNE raid XNUMX h / XNUMX p. 11.06.2015/15.07.2015/XNUMX - XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX improvements to ensure statement on the database, on 13.08.2015/59/34 an attack of the SNE 30.10.2015 h / 76 p. On 50/29.01.2016/22, an attack of the SNE 18.02.2016 h / 83 p. 56/2016/24 transferred to 08.08.2016 IAP. On XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX, an SNE raid of XNUMX h / XNUMX p. In August XNUMX, received No. XNUMX, was assigned the name of the GSS Ivan Gorbunov, XNUMX distillation to the Central Administration;

              02207 ● Su-35C No. 25 RF-95495 (31.10.2014/20.11.2014/23), from 17.02.2015/40/18 at 25 IAP, on 12/03.2015/20.05.2015, general / SNE raid - 9/07.05.2015 h, 67/39 p, XNUMX–XNUMX departed for Lipetsk to participate in the preparation of the air part of the parade on May XNUMX, on XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX, an SNE raid of XNUMX h / XNUMX p. 01.07.2015/15.08.2015/XNUMX - XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX revisions to KnAAZ to ensure statement on combat duty. On 13.08.2015/99/58, the SNE raid of 30.10.2015 h / 105 p. On 64/20.01.2016/22, the SNE raid of 18.02.2016 h / 109 p. 67/2016/22 transferred to 25 IAP. As of February XNUMX, XNUMX, the SNE raid XNUMX h / XNUMX p. At the beginning of August XNUMX it was transferred to XNUMX IAP, received No. XNUMX;

              02208 ● Su-35S No. 26 RF-95498 (30.11.2014/23/17.02.2015), 11 IAP, on 0/9/0, general / SNE raid - 03.2015/20.05.2015 hours, 9/07.05.2015 p, 29–14 departed for Lipetsk to participate in the preparation On May 13.08.2015, on 99/63/30.10.2015, the SSE raid 113 h / 76 p. On 18.02.2016, the SRE raid 115 h / 78 p. On XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX, the SRE raid XNUMX h / XNUMX p. On XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX, the SRE raided XNUMX h / XNUMX p. 29.02.2016/XNUMX/XNUMX after completion of improvements returned to duty;

              02209 ● Su-35S No. 27 (30.11.2014/23/17.02.2015), 11 IAP, on 0/9/0 a general attack / SNE - 07.05.2015/3 h, 4/XNUMX p, on XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX an SNE XNUMX h / XNUMX p. 28.07.2015/21.09.2015/XNUMX - XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX improvements to ensure the statement on combat duty. As of October 30.10.2015, 3, an SNE raid of 4 h / 18.02.2016 p. As of February 3, 4, an SNE raid of XNUMX h / XNUMX p;

              02310 ● Su-35S No. 28 RF-95474 (26.12.2014) on 07.05.2015/04.06.2015/XNUMX still not accepted for operation, as of XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX partially dismantled as a first aid kit, on 13.08.2015/0/0 raid SNE 30.10.2015 h / 0 p. 0/18.02.2016/0 raid SNE 0 h / 2 p. XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX raid SNE XNUMX h / XNUMX p. XNUMX0.02.2016/09.03.2016/06.2016 - XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX improvements to ensure statement on the database. XNUMX first flew to the regiment;

              02311 ● Su-35C No. 29 RF-95475 (26.12.2014), nand 07.05.2015/10.06.2015/XNUMX has not yet been accepted into operation, "they tried to launch on XNUMX, again the SINS went into failure", 19.06.2015/13.08.2015/27 completed the first flight from the moment of transfer to the military unit, put into operation, 24/30.10.2015/38 raid SNE 32 h / XNUMX p. On XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX raid SNE XNUMX h / XNUMX p. 20.01.2016/20.02.2016/XNUMX - XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX revisions to ensure HBS. On 18.02.2016/38/32, the SNE raid XNUMX h / XNUMX p;

              02312 ● Su-35S No. 31 RF-95476 (28.12.2014), from 13.01.2015/23/17.02.2015 at 32 IAP, on 18/24/13 a total raid / SNE - 07.05.2015/28 h, 20/XNUMX p, on XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX raid SNE XNUMX h / XNUMX p, on 04.06.2015/XNUMX/XNUMX partially dismantled in a first-aid kit. As of October 30.10.2015, 28, an attack of SNE was 20 h / 18.02.2016 p. As of February 46, 42, an attack of SNE was XNUMX h / XNUMX p;

              02413 ● Su-35S No. 32 RF-95496 (30.12.2014/23/17.02.2015), 13 IAP, on February 1, 11, the general / SNE raid - 1/03.2015 h, 20.05.2015/9 p, 07.05.2015–25 departed for Lipetsk to participate in the preparation of the air part of the parade on May 14, on 16.07.2015/30.10.2015/57, the SNE raid of 35 h / 18.02.2016 p, 67/39/14.04.2016 got into improvements to ensure placement on the database. On October 117, 2017, the SNE raid XNUMX h / XNUMX p. On February XNUMX, XNUMX the SNE raid XNUMX h / XNUMX p. XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX an unauthorized launch of the GTDE occurred, which led to a volume explosion in the right nacelle. The plane is out of order. The issue of recovery is being addressed. For XNUMX, it was spotted in KnAAZ workshops;
              1. Wedmak
                Wedmak 19 October 2017 12: 23 New
                +2
                It's about a few dozen, operated in the tail and mane - tests, improvements, accidents, again improvements and tests. And even in relation to the Su-27, these are only individual improvements that do not greatly affect the combat effectiveness of aircraft. And this is only because it is impossible to work out individual regimes without passing numerous tests in the troops and a large number of aircraft.

                In the case of the F-35, we see a slightly different picture: they launched the series with the aircraft still damp. Which essentially only knew how to fly, and even then not always. After that, from each batch (in dozens of pieces!) They began to finish the system after system. As a result, they got dozens of combat-ready 231 aircraft for March 2017. And it's about a plane worth under a hundred million dollars a piece.
                It is clear that with the US budget, hundreds can be sent for testing, but as you can see, the money still sometimes runs out.
                1. iwind
                  iwind 19 October 2017 12: 45 New
                  0
                  Quote: Wedmak
                  It's about a few dozen, operated in the tail and mane - tests, improvements, accidents, again improvements and tests. And even in relation to the Su-27, these are only individual improvements that do not greatly affect the combat effectiveness of aircraft. And this is only because it is impossible to work out individual regimes without passing numerous tests in the troops and a large number of aircraft.

                  Separate modifications that took 4 years ???? And they didn’t add to the combat readiness ???? What did it then finalized until 1990 and Psole is not so active.
                  That in the USSR, in the Air Force, fools just pulled and modified just like that (and this was the style of money), didn’t take the plane ??
                  Cut it? Or is this a common occurrence?
                  Quote: Wedmak
                  In the case of the F-35, we see a slightly different picture: they launched the series with the aircraft still wet. Which essentially only knew how to fly, and even then not always.

                  SU-27? SU-35?
                  he flew very actively. Thousands of raid hours



                  01308 ● Su-35S No. 09 (24.12.2012/08/09.02.2013), XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX, driving to the GLYTS, 01.2014 XNUMX stage for improvements to KnAAZ, 21.05.2014/2013/27 acceptance after reduction to the "face of 28.05.2014", May XNUMX, XNUMX the distillation to 4 pulp and paper pulp, received No. 02 RF-95243, on 25.02.2015/93/40 a total raid / SNE - 59/29 h, 07.05.2015/56 p, on 48/20.07.2015/28.09.2015 SNE XNUMX h / XNUMX p, XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX–XNUMX on revisions "to the face of 2014. "in Lipetsk. On 30.10.2015/72/74, an SNE raid of XNUMX h / XNUMX p. On 02.2016, improvements to the systems.

                  01309 ● Su-35S No. 11 (25.12.2012/08/09.02.2013), 01.2014/25.05.2014/XNUMX distillation to the GLITS, XNUMX distillation for improvements to KnAAZ, XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX acceptance after reduction to "face 2013", On 27-28.05.2014, distillation to 4 pulp and paper pulp, received No. 03 RF-95242, on 25.02.2015/74/28 a total raid / SNE - 49/24 h, 03.03.2015/13.07.2015 p, from XNUMX–XNUMX cast to "face 2014"in Lipetsk, on 07.05.2015/28/24, the SSE raid on 15.08.2015 h / 30.10.2015 p. 55/64/18.02.2016 flew to Zhukovsky to prepare for the MAKS. On 68/83/2016, the SSE raid on XNUMX h / XNUMX p. On XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX, the SNE raid on XNUMX h / XNUMX p. .In XNUMX has been revised according to the results of the 1st stage of the ICG;


                  Quote: Wedmak
                  Then from each batch (in tens of pieces!) They began to finish the system after system

                  by BLOCK there are only 3 of them.
                  Quote: Wedmak
                  And it's about a plane worth under a hundred million dollars a piece.

                  And this is by the way not expensive.
                  1. Wedmak
                    Wedmak 19 October 2017 13: 04 New
                    0
                    Separate improvements that took 4 years ????

                    It is not too fair to compare the Su-27 80's and the F-35 2000's. Still different technologies. But the investments are different.
                    SU-27? SU-35?

                    Are these planes numbered / numbered in hundreds of pieces ?? I’m talking about something to you: we have dozens of boards released for testing and debugging aircraft. After which there is a series and only then modernization. For some reason, the United States released two hundred aircraft, of which only less than 50 from the latest improvements, which can be called combat.
                    My main question is: what for release hundreds, when you can save money by releasing a dozen 3 and work out all the tests on them?
                    1. iwind
                      iwind 19 October 2017 13: 25 New
                      0
                      Quote: Wedmak
                      It is not too fair to compare the Su-27 80's and the F-35 2000's. Still different technologies. But the investments are different.

                      Times are changing, each next technological stage is more complicated.
                      how much is already with Pak-fa and the adoption of weapons is not even on the horizon
                      In the next year, troops will only go and, like the Su-35, it will be further developed under the program "face-202X etc.
                      There is no other way.
                      Quote: Wedmak
                      Are these planes numbered / numbered in hundreds of pieces ?? I’m talking about something to you: we have dozens of boards released for testing and debugging aircraft. After which there is a series and only then modernization. For some reason, the United States released two hundred aircraft, of which only less than 50 from the latest improvements, which can be called combat.

                      So the series is smaller. The larger the series, the more training aircraft are needed.
                      Su-27 (there were 100+) and su-35 (a series of an order of magnitude smaller.) It was also there.
                      "The Su-27 was adopted by a government decree of 23 ... By 1989, Su-27 aircraft were in service in 16 combat units of the Air Force and ..."
                      Quote: Wedmak
                      I’m talking about something to you: we have dozens of boards for testing and fine-tuning aircraft. After which there is a series and only then modernization.


                      Quote: Wedmak
                      My main question is: what for release hundreds, when you can save money by releasing a dozen 3 and work out all the tests on them?

                      Answered below. That would be idiocy. so no one in the world does. It will add another 5-10 years. Always 15 percent goes to practice (including in exercises, it is necessary to create a combat training program for pilots) and in training units, and then they will be finalized if necessary.
            2. tol100v
              tol100v 19 October 2017 21: 42 New
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              Quote: Wedmak
              Unless during the war.

              And the military-industrial complex of the SGA is always at war! And only for the money!
        2. Gransasso
          Gransasso 19 October 2017 11: 20 New
          +2
          Quote: Wedmak
          True refinement worth 39 billions of dollars raises doubts: either the mental abilities of design engineers (which is unlikely), or the impudence of individuals sawing the budget went beyond the scope of the solar system.



          ..there is the adequacy of this murzilka called NI ...
        3. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 19 October 2017 11: 22 New
          +1
          "And you are talking about the most complicated electronics of a combat aircraft, where the control computer is far from alone." ///

          The F-35 has only one. Therefore, upgrades are so easy.
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 19 October 2017 11: 41 New
            +1
            F-35 has only one.

            OK. I put it wrong - the on-board processor / controller / data processing unit. There are a lot of them responsible for the operation of all systems. And they are all connected. So it is far from easy to take one element and change. It is necessary to ensure compatibility of components, signaling data, communication protocols, etc.
            I quote inwind (thanks to him for a detailed comment):
            45 F-35A will require a “Tech Refresh 2 Modification,” which consists of 26 core components and takes approximately 30 days for each aircraft to install and test.

            At least one third of the components of the on-board computer network were changed and modified precisely by hardware. And this revision pulls along with all the software.
            So the "insert cable and update software" gets off, not all the machines, but only 26 pieces. Apparently the latest releases.
            1. iwind
              iwind 19 October 2017 12: 05 New
              +1
              Quote: Wedmak
              At least one third of the components of the on-board computer network changed and was modified precisely by hardware. And this revision pulls along with all the software.
              So the "insert cable and update software" gets off, not all the machines, but only 26 pieces. Apparently the latest releases.

              And why is everything updated. here for a second next year, 300 pilots and technicians need to be trained. Why do they need running planes for training?
              This simply does not make sense.
              Yes, and the update takes a maximum of 30 days. They just can not be touched, anyway, someone should stay in the training units.
              And the rest of 15 days is even good.
              and not to say what is expensive. Moreover, this is at the beginning of 2017. From 2017 all boards are new block3f
              Norway gets block 3f
              three cars AM-08, AM-09 and AM-10 with the new 3f software. Since the end of September, they have been running a factory test program in Fort Worth, pc. Texas, and they must complete it by October 30, after which it is still necessary to prepare the planes for departure to Norway.

              The 11-hour transatlantic flight is calculated taking into account the maximum use of daylight hours, which is additionally reduced when flying from west to east, so the planes will land in the evening twilight, and the beginning of the official ceremony is already scheduled for 13.30

              The adopted procedure for transferring the F-35 to the customer provides for the transfer from the Lockheed-Martin plant to the operational airfield by the company’s pilots, after which all relevant documents are drawn up. So it was at AvB Luke in the USA, so it will be in Norway. But this is far from what the numerous spectators invited on November 10 to AvB Erland want to witness.

              Given these limiting factors, aircraft will arrive in Norway in advance, a few days before the ceremony, most likely on November 2.

              And only after the completion of all official events will the Air Force's main test program (Operational Test and Evaluation - OT&E) begin. At this stage, the main attention will be paid to the specifics of the combat use of aircraft, for which it will be necessary to repeat the tests of some weapons systems previously carried out in the United States to ensure that the declared characteristics meet the special Norwegian conditions and tasks of the country's air force.

              Why make such news and comments wassat wassat , I even decided not to pass by.
              1. Wedmak
                Wedmak 19 October 2017 12: 29 New
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                This simply does not make sense.

                I just can’t understand why they riveted more 200 cars? Having spent astronomical money! And now they are asking again to bring some of these machines into a combat-ready state !! Where is the logic hidden? Did they only test one system on each machine? Why did you refuse to do a dozen or two, to test them as it should and do not, then refine, test the updated planes and calmly put into series ???
                Who stepped on their heels?
                1. iwind
                  iwind 19 October 2017 13: 13 New
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                  Quote: Wedmak
                  I just can’t understand why they riveted more than 200 cars? Having spent astronomical money!

                  Ordinary money. and they would still have to be spent, possibly even more.
                  it’s better to find now what can get out on a conditional 60000 flight hours than when there will already be 1000 aircraft, and this is 2022

                  Quote: Wedmak
                  And now they are asking again to bring some of these machines into a combat-ready state !! Where is the logic hidden?

                  Do not ask. Part of the machines will be transferred, some will be left.
                  Yeah. very logical, then produce simplified options for the training parts.
                  And then another years to develop training programs, train instructors, work regulations for combat units when and what to service here without tens of thousands of flying hours.

                  And already in 2018, they need to accept 130 aircraft in 2019 and then 150+ aircraft.
                  Where do you get the staff? And this is 2-3 pilots per plane.
                  In another way, not a single plane has been accepted by those more when a large series is expected
          2. tol100v
            tol100v 19 October 2017 21: 48 New
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            Quote: voyaka uh
            The F-35 has only one. Therefore, upgrades are so easy.

            At the same time, think of something with the engine! And then you can push back!
      3. Soho
        Soho 19 October 2017 11: 10 New
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        voyaka uh Today, 10:20 ↑ New
        "easy and fast - plug in a cable and download new software?" ///
        And there is.

        Well, not so simple))
  7. Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 19 October 2017 10: 10 New
    +1
    Title Art.
    1. iConst
      iConst 19 October 2017 10: 26 New
      0
      Quote: Aaron Zawi
      Title Art.

      It has nothing to do with art. Social engineering.
      1. tol100v
        tol100v 19 October 2017 21: 52 New
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        Quote: iConst
        It has nothing to do with art. Social engineering.

        And art requires sacrifice, so the title is chosen!
  8. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 19 October 2017 10: 19 New
    +2
    Debugging is a software upgrade and that’s it. Nothing needs to be changed from iron.
    No billions are needed. After the upgrade, the plane must be re-
    “fly around” - now more sharply without restrictions on overloads.
    This will be done already by pilots of those countries where fighter jets are operated.
    1. corporal
      corporal 19 October 2017 10: 25 New
      +4
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Nothing needs to be changed from iron.

      Oh oh ..
      ... and hardware differences.
    2. Wedmak
      Wedmak 19 October 2017 10: 36 New
      +2
      Why did you decide that you do not need to change the hardware when the article is about hardware differences too?
    3. tomket
      tomket 19 October 2017 10: 59 New
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      Quote: voyaka uh
      This will be done already by pilots of those countries where fighter jets are operated.


      In Israel, you generally need to very carefully lift planes into the air)))) And it is better not to fly at all)))) And it turns out too expensive.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 19 October 2017 11: 18 New
        +1
        "In Israel, you must very carefully take aircraft to the air))))" ///

        There is no country in the world where military pilots have more hours than
        in the Israeli air force. Once it was twice as much as in the USA and 4 times more than in the USSR.
        Now (due to simulators) we have decreased, in the USA and Russia it has grown.
        But while Israel, no one has bypassed Israel in this category.
        1. NN52
          NN52 19 October 2017 12: 27 New
          +8
          And what is the annual raid on your pilots?
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 19 October 2017 13: 46 New
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            It was 250. Now somewhere 200
      2. tol100v
        tol100v 19 October 2017 21: 55 New
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        Quote: tomket
        In Israel, in general, one must very carefully lift planes into the air)

        It’s still somewhat in length, but across is complicated!
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 20 October 2017 08: 59 New
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          That's right. Therefore, departures towards the sea and flights either over the sea or over the desert. There is absolutely no place for training.
  9. novel66
    novel66 19 October 2017 10: 19 New
    +6
    class !!!! such a divorce on grandmas - Bender is resting!
  10. Pivot
    Pivot 19 October 2017 10: 23 New
    0
    Well, they will train for them, there is a lot of money there, they can afford it.
  11. HAM
    HAM 19 October 2017 10: 24 New
    +1
    "No money, but you hold on!".
  12. dzvero
    dzvero 19 October 2017 10: 25 New
    +3
    I didn’t understand with these blocks - did the Americans spend a lot of okhulyard on the F-22 and F-35 to ultimately modify the F15 and F16? A non-trivial and unexpected move ... smile
    1. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 19 October 2017 14: 21 New
      +1
      Fu 35 it seems to me lackeys as a result will be thrown off at the price of gold and later 22, when they are absolutely out of date.
      1. dzvero
        dzvero 19 October 2017 15: 02 New
        0
        35th and now not much cheaper. About the 22nd - I doubt that they will put it on the counter at all. Now - it seems to be secret, then - but who bought it and for the money ...
        By the way, a very interesting situation is planned. Ataman's boss, the strength of the super-duper fighter was enough for an incomplete two hundred. 15 and 16 seem to no longer do, but they are not eternal. With the 35th, everything seems to be in order, but is it really so. If there is a hitch, as if the West does not have to buy Russian or Chinese fighters. That will be scary ...
  13. Eddie
    Eddie 19 October 2017 10: 26 New
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    That created the useless crap!
    1. Arikkhab
      Arikkhab 19 October 2017 10: 44 New
      0
      will finish ... launch the printing press - and finish
  14. Livonetc
    Livonetc 19 October 2017 10: 38 New
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    Wonderful, awesome, gorgeous.
    The device is ahead of its time.
    All conquering.
    Hepermoguschidnaya.
    Yes, they just didn’t try to bring down a specific slipper.
    Although there is not.
    A flock of zombie birds nadysya ..
    But we believe, especially to our forum comrades.
  15. bratchanin3
    bratchanin3 19 October 2017 10: 46 New
    0
    I think that the Americans are going the right way, riveting imperfections, the main thing is to rivet a lot and smash it around the world.
  16. weksha50
    weksha50 19 October 2017 11: 11 New
    +1
    "The root of these problems lies in the simultaneous and parallel procurement of aircraft for the Air Force, Navy and Marine Corps, not yet ready for mass production."..

    Here ... This is a warning for those who yell that the Su-57s are still not delivered to the Russian Air Force ...

    "at present, about 200 fifth-generation F-35 Lightning II aircraft remain in the U.S. forces.

    Nuuuu ... I’m sitting in my kitchen, drinking tea and gloating ... And for such news, you can drink a gram of cognac ...
    And this is - NOT ALL of their problems ... I am silent about ours in this case, the fact that such vaunted Amer suns are not quite vaunted, but over-voted ... is important here ...
    1. Svarog51
      Svarog51 19 October 2017 12: 05 New
      +8
      George, let me join you?
      And for such news, you can drink a gram of cognac ...
      Very sensible thought good
      R.S. I offer friendship and switch to "you". I heard a little about you from Volodya Mordvin 3. hi drinks
      1. weksha50
        weksha50 19 October 2017 19: 43 New
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        Quote: Svarog51
        R.S. I offer friendship and go to "you"


        Why not go over? hi drinks drinks drinks good
    2. tol100v
      tol100v 19 October 2017 22: 01 New
      0
      Quote: weksha50
      You can drink cognac and grammar ...

      Better LITRULUS!
  17. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 19 October 2017 11: 52 New
    0
    Quote: voyaka uh
    Birds - we have a problem. Flight routes pass through Israel
    birds from Europe to Africa (and vice versa). They fly in the coastal strip and over the sea
    near the shore. Including large: storks, cranes, pelicans.
    And pilots of helicopters and planes need to follow in both.

    It is easier for the time of bird migration to close the sky for flights or limit it so as not to interfere with the passage of birds.
    1. tol100v
      tol100v 19 October 2017 22: 02 New
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      Quote: Vlad5307
      so as not to interfere with the passage of birds.

      Especially the Swifts with the suspension!
  18. Berkut24
    Berkut24 19 October 2017 12: 01 New
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    Therefore, the proposal is being considered to leave these aircraft in the same status, not ready for a real battle, but to upgrade sometime later, when the manufacturer’s company has time, and the required money.

    No money - no army. There is a loot - there is a cut. I always guessed. that American logic is different from ours.
  19. vvp2412
    vvp2412 19 October 2017 12: 11 New
    0
    200 000 dollars only for the refinement of one aircraft ?! How much is the total cost of one aircraft?
    1. Ru_Na
      Ru_Na 19 October 2017 16: 06 New
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      The cost of one aircraft, depending on the version, ranges from $ 83 to $ 108 million, so the next application for the completion of an already crude aircraft is more like cutting budget money.
  20. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 19 October 2017 14: 00 New
    0
    Well, puppet suckers then always be able to vparit. good
    1. tol100v
      tol100v 19 October 2017 22: 05 New
      0
      Quote: Incvizitor
      Well, puppet suckers then always be able to vparit.

      It’s not even “vparit”, but elementary - to force to buy!
  21. MCMLX
    MCMLX 19 October 2017 16: 04 New
    -1
    Quote: voyaka uh
    “So sell them faster to Israel” ///

    Lord We would take all the "unprepared". And in a week
    they would be ready, like cucumbers, for hostilities.

    Interesting ...
    And what would you do with flying shoe boxes to make them look like combat-ready pickles?
  22. Brave tailor
    Brave tailor 19 October 2017 16: 37 New
    +1
    Good day to all! Let it be better not to disinfect. Let it be better if they finish it for another ten years. Thus giving us time to supply a run-in Su 57 with a new engine. And therefore the sky will judge who is stronger.
  23. Nasty
    Nasty 20 October 2017 03: 22 New
    0
    I wonder what kind of problems they have, if true?
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