Burn in hell under the salute to the glory of the army of stupid!

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We live in a strange time, it seems to me sometimes. The time when the state absolutely doesn’t care what happens in the heads of citizens, if only not Maidan, not rocking the boat and regularly paying taxes and fees. The rest is sideways.

Burn in hell under the salute to the glory of the army of stupid!




The society is getting stupid every day, even if not everything, but the degradation of a part of the population is taking place. This is evident even in the level of comments and the number of errors in them on the "Review".

I don’t know how to proceed further, but I know that if there is a blunt army in the country, then this army will take to the streets sooner or later.

There is no doubt that this will happen sooner or later. As well as there is no doubt who, that is, what categories of people, will do it. The only question is, under what sauce, that is, under what flag they will go and for the sake of what.

All the prerequisites for this are already there.

Perhaps it is appropriate to recall one well-deserved satirist. Yes, yes, the same one who even replaced the president, congratulating the country on the New Year. That's right, Mikhail Zadornov and his "well, stupid ..." This is already a classic.

Yes, 10 years ago, concerts gathered him full halls, and I must say that Mikhail Nikolayevich, God bless him, was a kind of outlet, a sort of ray of light in a dark kingdom. And not because he let the Americans and the Balts down as best he could, but because it was the only person on the stage at that time whose performances filled the Russians with at least some positive energy.

Yes, a sense of superiority in at least something above a stupid American society - it was not bad. But laughter laughter, and the American plague penetrated into Russia.

The Russians are drowning just as well as the Americans, alas. And stupid not because they began to eat more fast food, but because it is beneficial to someone.

The president said that the financial and economic crisis we kind of overcame. Now it is time to go to war with a mental crisis.

Apparently, the crisis shook the brain and me, since I cannot understand why my state supports not only so it also tries with all its might to lower the already low intellectual level of the population.

This is a paradox, because progress and all its components in the country directly depends on the state of the minds of citizens. Then why at a time when there are so many opportunities for education and creativity, we see such a flow of stupidity?

This applies to everything, cinema, television, and in the first place, of course, the Internet.

How much we have already analyzed the film stupidity and film features, I will not undertake to count. Lot. After watching the next film story called “Salut-7”, I realized that everything had arrived. And more on the products of domestic directors in the near future I will not spend a single ruble and not a minute of my time. The exception will be "Matilda", but this is out of spite.

Once upon a time I lived in a country where I knew how to make films for children “for tomorrow”. And that could light in the minds of the Dream. The dream of who you can become tomorrow.

“Made in the USSR” will not allow to tell lies that after the movie “Only Old Men Go to Battle” only the finished worm didn’t dream of rising, and the movie “Solo Swimming” went three times, since holidays and prices in cinemas allowed. Could this movie leave you indifferent? Not.

Then the time came when heroes like Major Shatokhin did not become, the thieves and prostitutes replaced the pilots and special forces. Solid "Dead Man's Silence", in short.

Heroes of war, however, have returned. But others. Those who won the victory by cuttings from the shovels, at gunpoint forever drunk NKVD officers. "Penalties" and "Scum".

On the whole, lately, with the crooked hands of filmmakers, everything and everyone has been turned down. By some miracle, Valery Kharlamov survived intact and thundered the “28 Panfilov Heroes”.

As I understand it, absolutely by accident. By mistake.

And we got to space. It is logical: our space story Easily and naturally provide, if desired, any movie studio for 10 years ahead with scenarios. And even do not have to invent dramatic episodes, just take it and take it off. Fill up with special effects, the benefit of the technique now allows, and success is guaranteed.

Do you need it?

And in the end - the next zrada type "Stalingrad." Only in space.

In general, to be honest, in terms of brilliance, “Salut-7” is very, very adequately removed. No worse than "Gravity", which looked aesthetically almost with pleasure.

But the film was not about the beauty of space. And about a specific feat of specific individuals.

Oh yes, the film is artistic and fiction. Therefore, naturally, the names have changed. And the point. As a result, an absolutely Hollywood blockbuster appeared.

I confess, all the while waiting for the appearance of a bear with a balalaika and a bottle of vodka. Not wait. But the station was being repaired with a sledgehammer who smoked astronauts aboard, "high commanders" who were scaring the earth, threatening astronauts ... It all happened.

How bad it is to be a person who knows the history of this fantastic flight not from blockbusters, but after reading the book by Victor Savinykh “Notes from a dead station”. And the Russian cosmonauts who visited the MCC during the spacewalk.

It is harmful. This causes a gag reflex.

Stupid Americans have their own film masterpiece. Apollo 13. The film is based on the book "The Lost Moon", written by James Lowell and Jeffrey Kluger.

James Lowell was the commander of the Apollo 13, that is, a direct participant in the events. When it came to writing a script, Lowell was invited to collaborate.

Victor Savinykh was so denied. As well as Vladimir Dzhanibekov. They were not even invited to the consultants. What for? And so it will come down ...

Yes, it’s cool to “light up” a fire in the souls of young people on the movie, where an astronaut lights a cigarette lighter inside an emergency space station with the help of an open flame. Yes, of course, but what about Russian without vodka? Of course, the crew with pleasure consumes the “darling” for “warming up”.

There was no bear. There was a cockroach.

Tightness, sterility - oh well, it's a Russian station! Cigarettes, booze, repair sledgehammer and cockroaches on a spaceship - I do not understand for whom it is removed? If the director dreams of an Oscar, then yes, this creation will surely appeal to American viewers.

And I wanted to say one thing: “You're all burning in hell!”

Burn in hell, the whole team director Shypenko, easily spat on everyone: Dzhanibekova, Savinykh, Ryumin, Savitskaya.

By the way, by the way, there are no complaints. Played with dignity. But they played what they were told. And thank God that Krivaz Lazarev is not at all like Svetlana Savitskaya. Inadequate festering about and without Shubin not denigrate Valery Ryumin. Alekhin and Fedorov are not Dzhanibekov and Savinykh.

Gods do not spit anyway, no matter how hard you try.

But how can this be explained to those who will watch the next "Penal Battalion"?

It makes sense to a reasonable person to watch both films. Both Apollo-13 and Salyut-7. At least just to feel the difference between the film about the feat and the cosmic interpretation of the previous “masterpiece” of Mr. Shipenko, which was called “Confession z @ drota”.

I’ll end with a quote from an interview with the protagonist (in my understanding), the USSR pilot-cosmonaut, twice Hero of the Soviet Union, major general aviation Vladimir Alexandrovich Dzhanibekov. A man who flew into space five times, spent 145 days there, and 8 hours and 34 minutes in open space.

“I have a complicated attitude to this film. From the point of view of the artistic picture, a wonderful work was done: amazing shots, effects, the actors played great, even weightlessness could be conveyed very coolly. But there is some kind of American version of the impact on the brains of the audience.

They showed terrible Russian generals ready to shoot their own in space. In the film there is also the top leadership of the country with threats.

Although everything was exactly the opposite: everyone hoped for success, asked what was missing to make it happen. Never threatened us. Workers of the Central Committee of the CPSU and the Ministry of Defense only supported, wished victory and condoled if something went wrong. Our army carries a different function: to rescue, save, protect and never kill.

When people abroad will be more attentive to look at the situation in the Mission Control Center, do you think this will pass by? Not. In general, as it was in fact, you can read in the book of Victor Savinykh "Notes from the dead station." Yes, and in the logbook there were no allusions to the threat. "

By the way, read, dear readers, you will not regret for a second.

What is the conclusion or conclusions?

The fact that we can crap all or almost all of it with impunity is a fact that does not require proof. Proved for a long time and more than once. Question: why?

Yes, people do not like to think. Brainstorming is also a work that consumes energy, and people are too lazy to strain themselves. Of course, instead of reading smart books or useful creation, it’s better to sit in front of the TV or on the Internet.

It is appropriate to recall some of the postulates that we at one time persistently hammered into the head during the USSR. I mean that ignorance is the closest assistant and the essence of capitalism.

Yes, the Soviet Union went the other way. We tried to comprehensively form, was created one of the best at that time educational systems. And yes, no wonder they said that the USSR is the most reading country. Here, however, was a trap.

Educated and developed people did not believe in the idea of ​​communism and, at the right moment, opposed the existing system or emigrated. Not all, but many.

And if you believe our "import" readers, not everyone is dying in the world of capital. For intelligent and educated, that is, a place closer to the top of the food chain is almost guaranteed to them.

What remained, those remained. But there are still enough smart ones. There would not be smart, there would be no "Yars", "Bulava", "Almaty".

But stupid work for stupid. Or, worse, smart ones work to dull others. This is not worse, it is worse.

It is very difficult to say what is more here: disregard for the state’s attitude to this problem or vice versa, full interest.

Of course, dumb mass is easier to control. And weaning to think a person is much easier than to teach. Evolution is a longer and slower thing than reevolution. Or degradation, if in a different way.

Why think if “everything has already been invented for us”? Do not need anything. No need to wrestle with choice. There are patterns and stereotypes that simply facilitate thinking. The more stencils and generally accepted points of view in your head, the less room for your own thoughts.

Of course, nowhere without "iksperdov." If you listen to them all the time, then it is generally possible not to strain the body by drawing up your own opinion.

But you can go to the cinema and there otblokbasterit his brains understanding that we are barbarians. Or just laugh at the next show in the zomboyaschik.

The main thing is that even assessments should be unequivocal: this is good, and this is evil; this is good and this is bad; it is white and it is black. Putin is good, but Trump is not. And no half tones and shades.

Consumerism in the name of life and life for the sake of consumption. Plus the humiliation of everything that can only make a person think. We have nothing to be proud of on 50 years of space exploration, nothing has been created for 70 years of the USSR, we are barbarians.

The formation of an inert philistine mass. The herds, which nibble on the Internet so far, but do it very actively.

And why is the government so generously financing dumbing, stupor and spitting? The answer is simple. Need perfect weight. Which will not rock the boat, and quietly standing in the stall. And it will go only when the shepherd clicks the scourge.

Up to this point - a blunt brew on TV, chewing gum on the Internet and glukbaster in the movies. To maintain the desired tone.

The further, the more convinced of this.

All of you are burning in hell, the authors of "fine battalions", whatever the name of these "masterpieces": "Bastards", "Citadel", "Viking", "Salute-7"!
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  1. +17
    19 October 2017 06: 04
    Skororokhov is right, the Americans liked the salute, they appreciated vomit ..
    . The critic of The Verge publication, Tasha Robinson, in his review compares Salute-7 with cult Hollywood paintings:
    A high-tech thriller that has something in common with such American blockbusters on a cosmic theme like Gravity, Apollo 13, and Guys What You Need. In fact, Salyut-7 is based on real events that occurred in 1985, when a threat of a fall arose over the Salyut-7 space station. For a while, it was empty, so the Mission Control Center was never able to establish the cause of the malfunction or to figure out how to fix the failure. Interestingly, the entire mission to save the station was ultimately based on decision-making in the process, as events unfolded. And it went to “Salyut-7” exclusively for the benefit. All space-related films that we know deal with similar problems: threats of reduced supplies, equipment malfunctions, unforeseen situations, and a hostile environment. That is, on the example of this Russian picture, we can see by what formula a modern blockbuster is being created, as well as how universal heroism and its manifestations are. ”
    https://www.filmpro.ru/materials/59199
    1. +42
      19 October 2017 06: 24
      There is some truth in Roman’s words, but one must understand that the essence of capitalism, its philosophical platform, clearly expressed by Adam Smith, is “all against everyone,” that is, man is a wolf to man, therefore, a universal, deep and comprehensive education, as under socialism, is not necessary and even harmful! It creates unnecessary competition and oversaturates the labor market with human resources. Therefore, education is consciously made elitist and stepwise, narrowly targeted and not quite accessible to the masses! This is the essence of the capitalist system - the free market! The second side of this coin - the same culture, cinema, does not carry the clever, good, eternal to the masses, but simply entertain and distract - this is the same essence of capitalism! We agreed to play by these rules and there is nothing to cry Yaroslavna to breed now, it still will not help. Each system has its own rules of the game and the immutable laws of existence!
      1. +49
        19 October 2017 06: 27
        Quote: Finches
        We agreed to play by these rules.

        and they asked us? we were "divorced" just like the Maidan people, we also, with faith "in a brighter future," chose an alcoholic who threw the country into plunder ... and now we have what we have ... neo-feudalism.
        1. +29
          19 October 2017 09: 06
          Here I am a little veiled to you, but I will answer Zhiglov with words about our innocence: "There is no punishment without guilt ... We had to deal with our women on time and not to throw our pistols anywhere."
          1. +15
            19 October 2017 11: 46
            Well, about the innocence of Roman Skomorokhov in this case, there is no need to speak. Itself suffers the same and is ready to support the same that so stigmatizes in this article.
            In fact, Skomorokhov is opposed to "artistic" lies and spitting on everything that is expensive and holy. I fully support this position. It is not clear another. It is possible to deal with this only with the help of a certain state policy in this matter, including through censorship. Otherwise, as long as there is an order (and it exists and will not disappear anywhere), such "masterpieces" will appear on the screen with enviable regularity. Skomorokhov cannot but understand this, but nevertheless, he writes
            And more on the products of domestic directors in the near future I will not spend a ruble or a minute of my time. The exception is Matilda, but this is out of harm.
            And why suddenly such an honor? What kind of harm? A liberal protest against an attempt to censor? So without it, dear, can not do. Otherwise, Matilda is a vivid example of what Skororokhov so eagerly stands against, here there is a lie and a perversion of Russian history and spitting on what is dear to many of our citizens. One may relate to Nicholas II and the fact of his canonization, but this does not give the right to defamation or to ignore the opinions of that part of society for whom this name is holy. So it turns out that Comrade Skomorokhov is sick with the American disease of double standards. On the one hand, keep your hands off what is dear and sacred to Skomorokhov personally, on the other hand, we will support the ruble in spitting on what is dear and holy to other people. Out of harmfulness. And this, by the way, is the first step to opening the next overtone window. Well, I will join the words of the author himself: you burn in hell, for your duplicity.
            1. +2
              19 October 2017 14: 14
              Quote: Abracadabrus
              And why suddenly such an honor? What kind of harm?

              To evil Poklonskaya laughing
            2. +15
              19 October 2017 14: 49
              One may relate to Nicholas II and the fact of his canonization, but this does not give the right to defamation or to ignore the opinions of that part of society for whom this name is holy.
              One can relate to Stalin in any way, but this does not give the right to defamation or to ignore the opinions of that part of society for whom this name is holy.
              We lived at that time, which is shown in modern anti-Soviet films, one sheer lie. But we must respect you gentlemen, if you do not respect anything. The film is about Equal-to-the-Apostles Prince Vladimir. filmed deceitfully perverted, but for some reason not a single one was allegedly outraged for holiness. Someone is pushing Poklonskaya pushing the idea of ​​the Romanovs, but why?
            3. +2
              19 October 2017 17: 47
              Why censorship, enough where they give out nonsense for the truth, just do not pay. And all the super duper creators will come to mind at the time, especially when they are billed for payment, and there’s nothing to pay wink
              1. +8
                19 October 2017 20: 48
                The fact of the matter is that such "creators" are sponsored regardless of the payback of films (recall Mikhalkov and his epic). It would seem that a capitalist state where profit is at the forefront of any enterprise (be it education or medicine), but as soon as it concerns films where they tell us how they lived in the USSR, the profitability of the enterprise ceases to matter. request
            4. +5
              19 October 2017 19: 26
              While this fucking system exists in the country, there will be these fucking films ...
              Quote: Abracadabrus
              Well, about the innocence of Roman Skomorokhov in this case, there is no need to speak. Itself suffers the same and is ready to support the same that so stigmatizes in this article.
              In fact, Skomorokhov is opposed to "artistic" lies and spitting on everything that is expensive and holy. I fully support this position. It is not clear another. It is possible to deal with this only with the help of a certain state policy in this matter, including through censorship. Otherwise, as long as there is an order (and it exists and will not disappear anywhere), such "masterpieces" will appear on the screen with enviable regularity. Skomorokhov cannot but understand this, but nevertheless, he writes
              And more on the products of domestic directors in the near future I will not spend a ruble or a minute of my time. The exception is Matilda, but this is out of harm.
              And why suddenly such an honor? What kind of harm? A liberal protest against an attempt to censor? So without it, dear, can not do. Otherwise, Matilda is a vivid example of what Skororokhov so eagerly stands against, here there is a lie and a perversion of Russian history and spitting on what is dear to many of our citizens. One may relate to Nicholas II and the fact of his canonization, but this does not give the right to defamation or to ignore the opinions of that part of society for whom this name is holy. So it turns out that Comrade Skomorokhov is sick with the American disease of double standards. On the one hand, keep your hands off what is dear and sacred to Skomorokhov personally, on the other hand, we will support the ruble in spitting on what is dear and holy to other people. Out of harmfulness. And this, by the way, is the first step to opening the next overtone window. Well, I will join the words of the author himself: you burn in hell, for your duplicity.
        2. +7
          19 October 2017 10: 57
          First they bought most of the country's leadership, and then they divorced the people ....
        3. +9
          19 October 2017 12: 14
          And how he was advertised through all the central channels !!! The film "Time of the First" from the same "opera".
          1. +2
            19 October 2017 14: 45
            Quote: ramzes1776
            And how he was advertised through all the central channels !!!

            And as advertised "night watch" at one time, right the end of Hollywood! Now at least someone remembers about him!?
          2. +1
            19 October 2017 19: 38
            The astronaut in the picture, in this interpretation, is just missing the paisas and the crying wall.
        4. +4
          19 October 2017 14: 41
          Quote: Dead Day
          and they asked us? we were "divorced"

          The fact that they “divorced” I agree, but the fact that we were guilty of this divorce, we ourselves were chasing the carrot shown to us, forgetting about reality! Therefore, the fact that democracy has triumphed over communism is a fraction of our guilt.
      2. +38
        19 October 2017 06: 39
        Quote: Finches
        the essence of capitalism, its philosophical platform pronounced by Adam Smith - is "all against all", i.e human to human wolf,

        There is another, more modern interpretation of what is called capitalism: "Capitalism is the best form of banditry". Something seemed to me that this interpretation gives a more accurate description of what is happening to us.
        1. +18
          19 October 2017 08: 54
          say so themselves ....
          “Capitalism is a strange belief that the most vile people of the most vile motives somehow act for the common good” John Maynard Keynes.
      3. +17
        19 October 2017 07: 33
        Quote: Finches
        We agreed to play by these rules and there’s nothing for Yaroslavna to breed now to cry,

        Someone agreed, but someone did not. Forced, this does not mean that I agree! Without any crying, it will strike its hour and crowds of dissent will go out onto the street ... On the Internet, their sea is spilled. The authorities are struggling to show their simulated patriotism and popular support. In fact, dissatisfaction with this power is growing. Relentless time is playing against the government, which can do nothing to solve the most acute social and economic problems. The failure of Putin’s deoffshorization program very eloquently testifies to this.
        1. +27
          19 October 2017 08: 22
          Well, take to the streets and what ?? Look at Ukraine - that’s all that you will achieve! Get down on the sinful earth and stop flying in the clouds - there is only one problem - what can these dissenters do? And there is only one answer - nothing good, just to destroy what we have, but no more ... Therefore, there is nothing to wave cardboard sabers! That's when the Idea and the determination to go for it to the barricades, as in 1917, then yes, you can talk about it seriously! hi
          1. +4
            19 October 2017 10: 03
            eeeee .... monarchy?
            1. +1
              19 October 2017 10: 41
              Quote: novel xnumx
              eeeee .... monarchy?

              monarchy is a form of government, and capitalism is a social relationship
              THESE ARE DIFFERENT THINGS
          2. +12
            19 October 2017 10: 46
            Quote: Finches
            That's when the Idea and the determination to go for it to the barricades, as in 1917, then yes, you can talk about it seriously!

            And then no one will talk to you!
            Yes, dear, do not ascribe to me that I urge someone to go somewhere, and I will go out myself! I am not writing about myself personally, but about events that will happen. And I’m not calling anyone anywhere. And the fact that this will happen is undoubtedly everything is moving towards that, on an increasing basis. In the meantime, there is an accumulation of irritation by society, and its consolidation under various associations. He does not see it, only blind.
            1. +9
              19 October 2017 10: 59
              And I personally will not go out or, rather, I will go out, but against those who come out! Good shocks for Russia in the XX-XXI centuries! For the normal development of society, shocks are not needed! We need a planned and thoughtful evolution, but if this is not there, then a revolution is possible, but today I can’t break any premises that have already been created - it’s good or bad, who perceives it like that, but Russia is developing, a huge number of shortcomings, I do not argue, but they are not uprooted by the ruin of permanent riots, but by painstaking work!
              1. +12
                19 October 2017 11: 34
                Quote: Finches
                Shocks are not needed for the normal development of society! We need a planned and thoughtful evolution, but if this is not, then a revolution is possible

                I agree. So you yourself pointed out my thought! We do not even argue. But unfortunately there is no evolution. We live from crisis to crisis. Everything is like under capitalism. There is not even a hint that the gap between the rich and the poor is narrowing. On the contrary! It is only increasing. All taxes possible are only growing ... Well, the last failure of deoffshorization is a very bad sign. He talks about Putin's powerlessness in front of this oligarchic pack, called our elite.
                1. +5
                  19 October 2017 11: 39
                  Not your truth - there is evolution! To me, like you have something to compare - the 90s and now, but if we had Ukraine, which got stuck in the 90s, then yes ... Moreover, Ukrainians only more less began to live - booms, maidan! Let under the right slogans, but so what? Again rolled back 10 years ago! I do not want it! But you need to understand that miracles do not happen and GDP is not a magician! And nobody is a wizard ...
                  1. +14
                    19 October 2017 12: 01
                    Quote: Finches
                    There is evolution! To me, like you have something to compare - the 90s and now

                    Why compare your life with the pit of the 90s? You would give Ovsencim an example! It’s even more convenient, they lived worse. You can compare your life with other countries. What does the quality of life index tell us? Rich Russia, for some reason, is at 72 place, between Syria and Indonesia. What better in poor Indonesia! And where will our good life come from if we have the fundamentals of the economy that are oil and gas that we drive to the West, and the money we get from them is taken offshore. If 75% of all wealth a country owns 1% of oligarchs and officials! And after all there is not even any hope for improvement. These oligarchs will not allow the people to live richly.
                    1. +4
                      19 October 2017 12: 28
                      And what do you suggest then ?? Well, you don’t have specific mechanisms to fix this overnight - simply because in this case there is no civilized system at all! And today’s oligarchs are not the same as they were 17 years ago ... And about the economy - its restructuring, the same thing is not one day and today, thanks to oil and gas, the state manages to fulfill its social obligations, we were planted with oil at Brezhnev ... According to the test, we can fix everything within a day now - time is needed! But the competent distribution of oil and gas revenues, the right domestic investment, is another story!
                      1. +12
                        19 October 2017 12: 38
                        Quote: Finches
                        And what do you suggest then ?? Well, you don’t have specific mechanisms to fix this overnight - simply because in this case there is no civilized system at all!

                        I do not propose anything, since a criminal article is provided for in this democratic state. Here at least suppose, at least do not suppose, while from above such an elite rules us nothing will change.
                        Quote: Finches
                        And today’s oligarchs are not the same as they were 17 years ago ...

                        And where did they go? Have the good ones come instead? Why is the gap between rich and poor widening?
                        With a fair distribution of final labor and an honest judiciary, our people are able to grow at 25% of GDP per year. Proved by deed. But the elite does not need this, they have a different task, how to cram more into themselves. Triple your billions! This is interesting. But other...
                      2. +9
                        19 October 2017 13: 02
                        Quote: Finches
                        And today’s oligarchs are not the same as they were 17 years ago ..

                        Right? Are you sure about that?
                        Tell me, honestly, how many of the modern nouveau riche people have ceased to be tax residents of the Russian Federation? And why.
                        Tell with what fright, is the deoffshorization project suddenly, in the Government, rooted?
                        And lastly, tell me why the main mass of the population in Russia lives from paycheck to paycheck, crushed by an exorbitant increase in various kinds of tariffs, and for example, owners of compulsory motor liability insurance suddenly cried out that they are few and need to raise the tariff for their services at least FIVE times?
                        Well, and as a last resort, doesn’t the conclusion, snickering and numb, in blinding from thirst for profit at all costs, forget that if a spring is compressed beyond the limit, a GREAT nuisance can happen.
                        The conclusion is simple. You do not want a revolution in the form of what happened a hundred years ago.
                        This is understandable, now this is indeed not the best way out, but it is not the smartest among the people who have sharply enriched themselves who count the people for something that can be ignored and are directly pushing for this development.
                        So, for the normal development of the country, efforts are required from above, in order to avoid a riot from below, and Ukraine is completely out of place to nod at it, this means blurring our eyes, forgetting that things are not much better with us.
                  2. HDZ
                    +7
                    19 October 2017 14: 36
                    To me, like you have something to compare - the 90s and now

                    Yes Yes. “It has become better to dress.” (C)
                    The fact that much more began to fall from the leftover table indicates that those at the table began to eat much more.
                    You live well, not because you are being shared, but because everything above can no longer push you into yourself.
                    But what happens when the food runs out?
                    1. +1
                      19 October 2017 14: 38
                      Sorry, but don’t juggle about scraps! This is all empty boltology! And yes, they began to dress better - is it bad? hi
                      1. +3
                        19 October 2017 15: 42
                        Quote: Finches
                        Sorry,

                        Quote: Finches
                        is it bad

                        Not answering questions is bad.
                        Over and over again, taking an ostrich pose is even worse.
                        If there are problems, it’s completely bad to chatter them.
                        In the 13th century, in relation to the 21st, they dressed poorly and didn’t eat very well, and medicine with education was completely useless - so you can evaluate your answer-
                        Quote: Finches
                        And yes, they began to dress better
            2. +2
              19 October 2017 15: 00
              Quote: Stas157
              Yes, dear, do not ascribe to me that I urge someone to go somewhere, and I will leave! I am not writing about myself personally, but about events that will happen. And I’m not calling anyone anywhere. And the fact that this will happen is undoubtedly everything is moving towards that, on an increasing basis.

              Only given the fact that people really are slowly degrading (with which I basically agree with the author of the article), when does this, as you say, happen for the sake of further development, or will it be another “break-break”?
              1. 0
                20 October 2017 17: 16
                Quote: SERGUS
                Only given the fact that people really are slowly degrading (with which I basically agree with the author of the article), when does this, as you say, happen for the sake of further development, or will it be another “break-break”?

                Another smash-break, a cook at the head of the state, we will plunder and divide everything, from rags to riches, etc. etc. Nothing will change..
          3. +9
            19 October 2017 11: 36
            It is necessary to go to the polls, and not listen to the liberal sirens, saying that all this is useless. Walk and vote for patriots by the whole people, and not sit out in the bushes.
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            2. +8
              19 October 2017 11: 48
              I repeat - Candidates for deputy imitate patriotism is much more believable than high-class forgive ... ki - an orgasm ... How not to make a mistake! laughing
              1. +2
                19 October 2017 13: 03
                Quote: Finches
                Candidates

                Quote: Finches
                imitate patriotism is much more believable than upscale forgive ... ki - an orgasm ...

                Sobchak and K?
                More precisely nowhere.
          4. +6
            19 October 2017 13: 03
            Before an idea appears, you need to start with yourself, start living by the law. And then many dissenters steal, sell a drunk, do not pay taxes. But they stubbornly believe that this brought them to this.
            1. +7
              19 October 2017 15: 23
              Quote: goland72
              Before an idea appears, you need to start with yourself, start living by the law. And then many dissenters steal, sell a drunk, do not pay taxes. But they stubbornly believe that this brought them to this.

              When the salary of 7 didn’t it bring? The fact that you need to live according to the law is unconditional, but as they say, the fish rots from the head, and the Ulyukaevs and Serdyukovs will not stop stealing if the grandmother in the village stops trading moonshine.
          5. +2
            19 October 2017 14: 32
            Quote: Finches
            That's when the Idea and the determination to follow it to the barricades, as in 1917,

            That is, for women? One I know a common example of the barricades from 1917 - a pile of firewood near Zimny ​​and a drummer in firewood. The barricade is a tragic symbol of hopeless resistance, such as Red Presnya or the Paris Commune. Or a drummer near Zimny, or a cadet in Moscow. And the bad Bolsheviks, not looking back at the world community, beat the cannons from the Kremlin and Zimny. And not only single, like Aurora. I agree with you regarding the need for an idea. But it is not necessary to raise the barricades. GIVE Wall Street! Or: you give each man a bottle, and each woman a man!
          6. +5
            19 October 2017 17: 10
            The idea is already there, we need an Organization and a Leader.
        2. +4
          19 October 2017 11: 24
          Quote: Stas157
          Without any crying, it will strike its hour and crowds of dissent will go out into the street.

          Over the ocean they’re just waiting for that, the State Department will also throw some money on such a “good deed”. We know, have already passed.
          1. +8
            19 October 2017 11: 44
            Quote: Orionvit
            Over the ocean they’re just waiting for that, the State Department will also throw some money on such a “good deed”. We know, have already passed.

            The most probable forecast for the future I wrote yesterday in the comments under the article
            Money Russian oligarchs expropriates America: Trump's cunning plan
            # comment-id-7460129
            The Kremlin elite will deal with Putin herself, no demonstrations will be needed with such an environment.
          2. +4
            19 October 2017 15: 47
            Quote: Orionvit
            Over the ocean they’re just waiting for that, the State Department will also throw some money on such a “good deed”. We know, have already passed.

            Therefore, it is better if the authorities already begin to think and do something, and not proudly report on our “successes,” while the people are slowly degrading.
      4. +9
        19 October 2017 07: 44
        Quote: Roman Skomorokhov
        Here, however, was a trap.
        Educated and developed people did not believe in the idea of ​​communism and, at the right moment, opposed the existing system or emigrated. Not all, but many.

        Quote: Finches
        therefore, universal, deep and comprehensive education, as under socialism, is not necessary and even harmful

        That's for sure. The more stupid, the easier it is to manage everyone.
        PySy: Something got sick now to watch "Salute 7". I hate stupid American "movie masterpieces."
        But I’ll look at the occasion, because I need to know and draw conclusions.
        1. +2
          19 October 2017 08: 49
          Quote: Tatar 174
          I hate stupid American "movie masterpieces."

          Moreover, the most quoted phrase in VO is the phrase "what is your evidence." No one watched and everything from this film was stupefied ... Exactly
          1. +9
            19 October 2017 11: 22
            Quote: insular
            No one watched and everything from this film was stupefied ... Exactly

            Well, I looked. The film is cheap imitated Hollywood. Our astronauts are shown stupid cattle. So I agree with the characteristics of the film.
        2. AUL
          +3
          19 October 2017 15: 10
          And why is the government so generously financing dumbing, stupor and spitting? The answer is simple. Need perfect weight. Which will not rock the boat, and quietly standing in the stall. And it will go only when the shepherd clicks the scourge.
          You can’t say more precisely. The ideal mass for our ruling - stupid cattle.
      5. 0
        19 October 2017 10: 09
        There is a concept of the indigenous nation of the state.
        That's all !
      6. +6
        19 October 2017 11: 04
        Quote: Finches
        Each system has its own rules of the game and the immutable laws of existence!

        I don’t remember something, in any kingdom-states, people of the artistic, directing, producing people would be given honorary STATE ranks and awards (this, probably, was preserved in the former Soviet republics). I didn’t hear that the state financed the projects of "especially gifted" artists as much as I didn’t hear that films were made for children. I don’t remember anyone giving up these titles and awards, but very many of this insatiable brotherhood of screaming, galloping, mastering all the techniques of martial arts, not drying up from whiskey blaspheme our country and its people, the memory of the people. Satan rules the ball there!
      7. +7
        19 October 2017 11: 41
        Almost everything is true in Roman's words. Especially about the black and white vision of the world. Either unlimited capitalism or equally frenzied communism. No options. Do not even try to move your brains - gyrus can get confused, and this is bad for your health. And smoking is harmful, and vodka is useful, because the smoke dulls, and vodka cleans the brain. And not the other way around! Communism collapsed because there were traitors at the top, and the economy had nothing to do with it. And we all forgot our exceptionally glorious history when the whole people: both the peasant and the collective farmer and the factory worker and the adjuster of CNC machines lived well and glorified the Tsar and the Lord, as well as the General Secretary and the Communist Doctrine. Lermontov lied - the Orthodox Church simply forced people to wash themselves, in contrast to the Levoslav Church, where people were dying out half the country from terrible unsanitary conditions. We need a Comprehensive Teaching - Orthodox Communism. No need to bow and bow to the West, but the Middle East. Beat everyone - save Russia! - and the Lord will figure out who is a true believer, and who worships the Soton the Devil and will reward everyone. Only then will Spirituality, Nationality and Grace reign in us.
    2. +6
      19 October 2017 09: 32
      And why did not Roman Skomorokhov include Matilda in this vomit list? The same spitting on Russian history, the same Russophobia, also a lie. Why not Roman support Poklonskaya, who says the same thing - only to the whole country and is not afraid. The patriots of Russia, whether communists, monarchists, nationalists, Orthodox, atheists, need to unite. We have one enemy - Trotskyist liberalism. He infected the entire population of our capitalist elite, which skillfully pits and divides our people. The enemy inside us and the persecution of a deputy of the State Duma shows that he is very strong.
      1. jjj
        +16
        19 October 2017 10: 08
        Soon they will feed the “Trotsky”. Ernst invited Tsekalo to shoot a series about Trotsky as a pop star. It turns out that millions of deaths in Russia, that according to the quote of Bronstein himself “To win we robbed the whole of Russia” - is it all a concert? And there is also a movie about Parvus on the way.
        I agree with Starikov’s opinion that there is a romanticization and heroization of the notorious characters of Russian history.
        The tendency is clearly traced: at first the civil war was spat upon, then the thirties, then the Great Patriotic War, then the fifties. Now spat on the sixties and seventies. So that the younger generation had no chance to love their homeland.
        Speaking of films about space. There is another "work" - "Time of the First." This is about Leonov. Absolute libel on still living people and the country
        1. +1
          19 October 2017 11: 02
          jjj. Yes, yesterday, two figures from Channel One broadcast that Leiba Bronstein, an enemy of the Soviet state, a Russophobe, a bloody maniac of revolution, is rock and roll. In the words of Stalin ("Response to Alekhnovich and Aristov" v.13 p.129.) - "The dog returned to his vomit."
      2. +23
        19 October 2017 10: 25
        You know, dear, watching all this noise around the “Matilda” raised by Poklonskaya, the ironic proverb constantly comes to my mind - “Princesses, if any, are exclusively a rainbow.” Why did our nyasha decide that if the Orthodox Church recognized the last emperor as a martyr, notice not even a great martyr, then he automatically grew wings and became a saint? Nicholas II, no matter how you say it, no matter how you draw a halo to him, was a man, and not the best one, according to his moral principles and principles. And yes, a professional ballet dancer, Matilda Ksheshinskaya in his life was, which is documented and there is a bunch of evidence of contemporaries. Then, almost the entire male part of the Romanovs’s house rode on it ...
        Yes, the last emperor ended his life extremely poorly, but for good, the sufferers - his wife and children. So they died, in fact, for nothing. Nikolai himself was punished for ruining the empire, for drawing it into a bloody war, unnecessary for the common people, for letting the factory owners, nouveau riche and then liberals go for a walk, and it was corny for daring to go on about their own generals and advisers and abdicated the throne. Yes, his family was threatened, but he was responsible for a great country and exchanged his safety for the relative safety of his family ... Is this man a saint and one cannot defame his name? As there a horse from the cartoon used to say - do not tell my horseshoes.
        1. 0
          19 October 2017 10: 35
          TarIK2017. There are people who think big, with comprehensive categories, who understand the background and essence of the things happening around him, can systematize and analyze - you do not belong to this category of people. By Senka and a hat.
          1. +8
            19 October 2017 11: 30
            Nonna Can you surprise us with your large-scale thinking? Speak out on the merits of the issue.
          2. +15
            19 October 2017 12: 29
            I am bitterly aware that I cannot understand the whole "depth of your depths." :) How pathetic - the background and essence of things ...
            Let's try to understand the essence. In Salute, the feat of the Soviet people to restore the orbiting station that had failed, was turned into a farce like the American Armageddon. Not enough, just earflaps, a vest under the sweatshirt and the sacramental phrase about "Russian technology, American technology, what's the difference? - everything is done in Taiwan!" and a wrench on the instrument - bam!
            "Matilda" ... An ordinary, mediocre drama about the petty intrigue of a young but noble nobleman with a ballerina. Yes, everyone knows that he is the future king. But firstly, this does not negate the fact that he is a young man at the time of events, and nothing human or carnal is alien to him. Secondly. From ancient times, and in a good way to this day, ballet troupes have been suppliers of young girls to noble noblemen. A kind of high-society brothel for the princes with us and all the Getzogs, Marquises, kings among them, there, beyond the "hillock". In those days, it was even fashionable to twist an affair with a ballerina among high society. And besides, it's safe in terms of matrimonial moments. So what's wrong with that? Anna Karenina about counts and princes, it’s considered classics with us, but Matilda is down, more about the future king ... The fact of violent death and belonging to the ruling family does not make a person holy. And Poklonskaya in her hysterical attempt to protect the tsar not only violates the Orthodox canons, reckoning Nicholas ll among the saints, she also looks like a laughing stock in the eyes of those who recently admired her ...
            But you continue to systematize and analyze and see the essence and understand the background, and I quietly smile on the sidelines, rejoicing that this very senkin hat doesn’t suit me ...
      3. +3
        19 October 2017 14: 39
        Quote: Nonna
        Why not Roman support Poklonskaya, who

        made such an advertisement to Matylda that even Roman penetrated.
      4. +3
        19 October 2017 15: 06
        Matilda
        Once again, I repeat the Russian prince Vladimir showed dirty cattle, but he is a saint. But Poklonskaya is not afraid, because her curator will cover, Only she does not fight for the tsar’s sanctity, she fights in order to erase everything national, everything Soviet from her memory.
      5. AUL
        +2
        19 October 2017 15: 54
        Nonna, have you already seen Matilda? Do not tell me how? And then she still has not come out for hire, but everyone spit on her. Trailers do not give an idea about the film - trailers are for that, but I wonder why such a stir? Maybe a reference some thread you will throw?
      6. +4
        19 October 2017 16: 08
        Quote: Nonna
        Why not Roman support Poklonskaya, who says the same thing - only to the whole country and is not afraid.

        Quote: Nonna
        The enemy inside us and the persecution of a deputy of the State Duma shows that he is very strong.

        When Poklonskaya writes 43 statements to the prosecutor’s office for the film “Salute 7,” then I will change my mind about her, but for now, she’s more worried about the king’s grief than about ordinary people.
      7. +3
        19 October 2017 21: 23
        Quote: Nonna
        The same spitting on Russian history, the same Russophobia, also a lie

        And what lies? Please clarify (if you have already watched the film). Poklonskaya yells that you can’t show that the tsar had a love affair with a ballerina. But no matter how she squeals, but this is a historical fact.
    3. BAI
      +9
      19 October 2017 09: 59
      Americans liked the salute

      Since the Americans liked the film, it means that it definitely harms Russia. Other films are not praised there.
      1. +1
        20 October 2017 17: 50
        Quote: BAI
        Since the Americans liked the film, it means that it definitely harms Russia.

        I agree, they also really liked Gorbachev and Yeltsin.
  2. +15
    19 October 2017 06: 05
    Does someone watch Russian cinema? Here are the masochists.
    1. +5
      19 October 2017 07: 43
      Quote: Cartalon
      Does someone watch Russian cinema? Here are the masochists.

      The best movie in the world is Walt Disney. Each film is a masterpiece. There are very few good adult films in Russia and America.
      1. +3
        19 October 2017 18: 09
        Where did you see the masterpieces? Mowgli, that old, that new - frank slag against the background of the Soviet cartoon. The little Mermaid? Prince of Persia? The lion king? The beauty and the Beast? Shrek? They are all drawn according to the same pattern, despite the plot. A hero, heroine, villain and necessarily a jester who disguises with his “sparkling jokes” the general weakness of the plot.
    2. +15
      19 October 2017 08: 41
      I am reviewing films made in the USSR since everything else terribly turns back))) maybe I got sick? laughing hi
      1. +9
        19 October 2017 10: 04
        for sure! and this. Fortunately. not treated hi
    3. +2
      21 October 2017 13: 05
      Well, movies about bandits were filmed pretty well in the 90s and early XNUMXs. Vitally.
  3. +8
    19 October 2017 06: 11
    The result of the fact that both the state and the country do not have this damned ideology, purpose. Braces are good, but for what they are. here we hang out \ in the hole as ....
    1. +6
      19 October 2017 10: 28
      Here you are wrong! From Russia, the liberal ideology prevails since the collapse of the USSR. And constitutional norms "Article 13. In the Russian Federation, the ideological ...

      [Constitution of the Russian Federation] [Chapter 1] [Article 13]
      1. The Russian Federation recognizes ideological diversity.

      2. No ideology may be established as state or mandatory. "
      . are only her cover !!
      But another interesting question - why the concept of "titular nation" and its definition were excluded from the legislation of the Russian Federation back in 1999 ???
      1. +3
        19 October 2017 16: 16
        Quote: To be or not to be
        Liberal ideology dominates in Russia since the collapse of the USSR

        Liberal ideology is the lack of coca or ideology - do what you want, think only about yourself, after us at least a flood! Therefore, I agree with andr327.
  4. +23
    19 October 2017 06: 19
    Zdesyaka, Roman, I absolutely agree with you Yes
    Society is actually already divided into two types - those who still found that lost and collapsed country, and those who were born already in the new era of freedom and democracy. Some are still inclined to think and analyze and dream, while others are inclined to consume. Of course, even then everything was not perfect, the family has its black sheep, as they say, but on the whole there was something to strive for. Now, the victims of the exam are quite mundane - to eat, poop and sleep in an embrace with an iPhone. Of course, in a family there is a monster and in modern society there are purposeful personalities inclined to use advanced brain functions, and, probably, engineers will not be transferred. But somehow it all turned upside down, like in a looking glass ....
    Sadly with request winked hi
    1. +10
      19 October 2017 06: 42
      Not everything is lost ! My friend hit poetry, writes poetry and good ones! Lyric, under 70! hi
      But you can’t say about youth!
      1. +1
        19 October 2017 06: 46
        Quote from Uncle Lee
        Lyric, under 70

        I said
        Quote from Uncle Lee
        Some are inclined to think and analyze and dream.

        Quote from Uncle Lee
        But you can’t say about youth!

        And I do not argue wink
        Quote from Uncle Lee
        eat, poop and sleep in an embrace with an iPhone.
      2. +4
        19 October 2017 07: 44
        Quote from Uncle Lee
        But you can’t say about youth!

        You do not know young people well. Everything is fine with them. I give 100% guarantee.
        1. +4
          19 October 2017 08: 13
          And they write poetry and watch smart films ... although not all, yes! My students are watching and books are counting!
          1. +9
            19 October 2017 09: 24
            Quote: kalibr
            My students are watching and books are counting!

            What is it like? One two three four... ? And then: "Vyacheslav Olegovich, I read four books." recourse
            1. +1
              19 October 2017 21: 17
              In a hurry to write, sometimes the wrong letter skips. I think this is understandable.
        2. +3
          19 October 2017 10: 42
          Youth in general is not bad. The main problem now is 35-45 year olds. generation of the 90s, which now leads. These smart ones will not be allowed. and in my head only a thirst for profit. the cerebellum is busy with consumption problems.
        3. +1
          19 October 2017 16: 21
          Quote: Alex_59
          You do not know young people well. Everything is fine with them. I give 100% guarantee.

          And so you immediately begin to believe you when they run after the 10 thousand euros promised by Navalny.
    2. +2
      19 October 2017 15: 12
      engineers will not transfer


  5. +11
    19 October 2017 06: 25
    The power of the oligarchs. Why do they need smart people? Such a people is mortally dangerous for the oligarchs.
    1. +6
      19 October 2017 07: 40
      Quote: populist
      The power of the oligarchs. Why do they need smart people? Such a people is mortally dangerous for the oligarchs.

      and Putin is funny ...
      1. +14
        19 October 2017 08: 10
        Two songs of Slepakov are superimposed with a repeat of the same short shot, which was shot at some point inexplicably. Good filmmaker. Professional. Only shit
      2. +1
        19 October 2017 10: 51
        Installation is the same. And krivoruky.
  6. 0
    19 October 2017 06: 35
    I agree, Roman, completely. And there is nothing special to add, except the words of Professor Preobrazhensky, but in relation to these "masterpieces":
    - Yes, sir. If you care about your digestion, here is a good piece of advice - do not talk about Bolshevism and medicine at dinner. And God save you, do not read Soviet newspapers before dinner ...
    1. +4
      19 October 2017 10: 38
      Quote: VovanFalcon
      And there’s nothing special to add, except the words of Professor Preobrazhensky,

      So Preobrazhensky is the apostle of consumption. Or are you blind?
      1. 0
        19 October 2017 12: 17
        Eva how !!! If you are so sighted, it was worth noting that I still made a note "in relation to these masterpieces." And the "deepest" meaning of my comment is simple, like a song - no need to watch the current cinema !!!!
  7. +7
    19 October 2017 06: 45
    You burn all in hell, authors “penal battalions”, whatever these “masterpieces” were called: “Bastards”, “Citadel”, “Viking”, “Salute-7”.

    И authors of "Matilda"-also: it was created according to the same principles and patterns of lies, by the same people ...
    1. +10
      19 October 2017 11: 16
      And these authors are products of the American civilizational path of development.
      Example. Klim Shipenko. Born June 16, 1983 in Moscow. Father - actor, director, playwright Alexei Shipenko [1].
      At 16, he moved to Los Angeles. In 2002, he entered the University of California at Northridge (Department of Film Production). The graduation film was shot as a cameraman [1]. Studied at Sal Dano Professional Actors Workshop.
      In 2004 he returned to Moscow. He worked on the First channel of Russian television.
      By the way, judging by the dates, I studied only 2 years. You cannot learn in 2 years. They can only be trained according to proven patterns.
  8. +7
    19 October 2017 06: 49
    Neither directors, nor actors, nor authors * libretto * nor those who gave money will warm in hell.
    They all go to church and are blessed regularly. Today * the bar * of culture and education is controlled by church leaders. Well, a person with EDUCATION cannot believe. He is taught to doubt everything and find the basics. That reduces the scope of education, the main certificate of education. * In many knowledge, many sorrows *. So take care of carelessness and the church and figures from culture and education.
    1. +2
      19 October 2017 08: 33
      Here I believe! The whole creation of life goes against the second law of thermodynamics. Well, we could not just arise, it does not grow together. Naturally, I go to church, only for the sake of my mother’s memory.
      Faith is called "Agnosticism"
      1. +3
        19 October 2017 10: 02
        Here I believe! The whole creation of life goes against the second law of thermodynamics.


        It’s just that your physicist told you badly about “non-decreasing entropy”. Entropy is not a measure of "orderliness or chaos," but just a weight factor multiplied by the Boltzmann constant. To be precise - the probability of the state of the system.
        And if people mate, then the birth of a child is very likely. laughing Otherwise, contraceptives would not be sold in pharmacies. There is no violation of the second principle - what happens is that more
        probably. (at the same time, there is one subtlety - a change in the probability of an event recurring at the moment of its first occurrence) Now, if life had not arisen, although the conditions and the long necessary period were, this would be a violation.
        1. +1
          19 October 2017 10: 10
          The creation of amino acids, polypeptides, proteins. All against it!
          When I send this koment, I will return to the Matrix again
          1. +4
            19 October 2017 10: 31
            [quoteCreation of amino acids, polypeptides, proteins. All against it!] [/ Quote]

            Yes, there is nothing "miraculous" in the origin of life.
            From the law of "large numbers", a jump in probability at the moment of occurrence of an event, and a trigger effect, an enlargement of structures is obtained. And also those famous heredity, variability and selection follow. laughing However, this is the topic of an entire article and is out of place here. At one time, I was also “outraged” by my misunderstanding of how living matter comes from dead matter. And the often repeated phrase "entropy is a measure of chaos."
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      1. +11
        19 October 2017 10: 18
        Another clerical rabid nonsense! "Believe in science." Yeah. Yes, even when you taught spelling in Russian language lessons, you made an unstressed vowel in the root of a word be checked with the same root as a vowel in shock. Check! Do you know such a word? And the numerous proofs of theorems? And experiments in chemistry and physics lessons?
        Believe science ... Hah! You do not project your narrow-mindedness on others, for God's sake I ask.
        1. +6
          19 October 2017 11: 58
          Not so long ago I started talking about literature, in the company of a 20-year-old lady with a red diploma. A roughly similar conviction emerged - no literature needed! Why read it if it is fiction of different people. Approximately like faith in science. It turns out that all scientists are science fanatics, and writers are simply storytellers. And now to the question of the impending, inevitable future Maidan - do you think these people are not indifferent to the fate of the country or other people?
  9. +9
    19 October 2017 06: 57
    What a bit of a bitch! Well, do not want to be stupid, do not be! Read, think, get carried away with something, the choice is huge. Information, any- sea. Teach you not to be dumb with your child. Socialism has passed, now it’s up to everyone, what are you asking from the government? We need it ourselves guys! And who lives and thinks "along the path of least resistance" - he will live like that, if only professors gave lectures on public transport. Do not feed the horse.
    1. +7
      19 October 2017 07: 16
      "Teach you not to be dumb your child"
      "You are with him an hour a day, and the TV and iPhone all day" is almost a quote from the "true lie."
      If the vomiting atmosphere is not very difficult to get infected and you yourself will not notice who is being blinded from your child.
      1. +6
        19 October 2017 08: 17
        Quote: Sverdlov
        If the vomiting atmosphere is not very difficult to get infected and you yourself will not notice who is being blinded from your child.

        In the Tretyakov Gallery, there are not enough tickets for jazz in the city, in the morning, young people sitting in the park draw landscapes and study.
        Vomiting atmosphere ???
    2. +2
      19 October 2017 10: 10
      You write that any information is the sea. Everything is correct. And yet I am of the opinion that it is better
      all you need to read is the classic of domestic and foreign. It is less marketable.
    3. +3
      19 October 2017 15: 37
      We need it ourselves guys!
      But why the government, if all by yourself. With this promise, the government often gets in the way.
    4. 0
      19 October 2017 17: 10
      Quote: Veltmajster
      Socialism has passed, now it’s up to everyone, what are you asking from the government? We need it ourselves guys!

      Since we are talking about films, then remember the film "Afonya", there the hero of Evgeny Leonov says that a person must first think about the society in which he lives, and only then about himself.
  10. +5
    19 October 2017 07: 40
    Yes, it’s cool to “light up” a fire in the souls of young people on the movie, where an astronaut lights a cigarette lighter inside an emergency space station with the help of an open flame. Yes, of course, but what about Russian without vodka? Of course, the crew with pleasure consumes the “darling” for “warming up”.
    I want to protect the movie a bit and engage in polemic. Yes, it’s all movie pearls: a lighter, a cockroach ... But how much do we want from a box office movie? Especially against the background of the fact that before that we were inundated with even more severe sediment in the form of “Battle for Sevastopol” or “Fir-trees”.
    I went to this film with the fear of seeing the “Battle for Sevastopol”, and when I watched the movie I honestly breathed a sigh of relief - well, at least a little, but better.
    Yes, if you compare with Soviet cinema, then this craft for a C grade with a minus. But the fact is that Soviet cinema is already history. And after the Soviet cinema there were still 90. Do you remember? There were still zero. And if this film is compared with the very 90? How? Nothing like that, right? It is clear that it does not reach the Soviet one. Who argues. But the time is different now. And there is nothing to be done about it, we must somehow live in the era that we have been given. If so, then it is better to "Salute-7" than "Battle for Sevastopol." Hollywood presentation, simplification - yes, it’s all there, but now mass films can only be shot like that. The departure from certain canons already leads the authors into a narrower niche - the same "28 Panfilov" is much closer to the author's cinema.
    Again the actors. Well, Derevianko, yes, a little "wooden." But Vdovichenkov didn’t play badly, not a “wooden game”. Not Evstegneev, of course, not Tikhonov, but we do not have more Evstegneevs, but of those that have this one, there are four more. The plot of course ... fiction. But then again, it’s not such a tin as Mikhalkov’s in “Upcoming”. Again the graphics. The physics of space is almost exactly reproduced.
    So I try to see the positive.
    1. +5
      19 October 2017 08: 41
      In Soviet times, the success of an actor, director, did not depend directly on box office. Therefore, they shot as they wanted (smart people, smart movies, normal ideas.)
      Now you need to make money. Who is more? (Parreto's Law) They’re taking it off for them, but the fact is that children grow up and people get dumb ... money is needed!
      1. +6
        19 October 2017 09: 24
        Quote: Bastinda
        Now you need to make money. Who is more? (Parreto's Law) They’re taking it off for them, but the fact is that children grow up and people get dumb ... money is needed!

        Everything is very difficult. On the one hand, yes, you are right. Dullness is the place to be. And from other sides? And in Soviet times there was not a thoughtful mass cinema, about which one can also say - an attempt to stupid. "Elusive Avengers" - a warrior without any fancies, white is all bad, red is all good - is it also an attempt to ruin the story? After all, someone looked at it and was dumb too - it absorbed a simplified one-sided look at a very complex historical era. But it doesn’t even occur to us to draw such conclusions - the film is really cool, high-quality, shot with a soul, but according to the laws of the genre - mass cinema of that era. What is the genre of "Salute-7"? This is clearly a spectacular catastrophe movie. This is not realistic, not fiction, not a philosophy, not a documentary. The question arises - is it worthy of filming within the genre? My answer is yes. Against the background of "Yolok", "Entrances", "Battles for Sevastopol" and other things - in general a masterpiece. Definitely a step forward.
        And about the money. Again, in the framework of the genre in which "Salute" was shot, a payback is assumed. Not an arthouse. Therefore, yes, the commercial component drives. She incidentally, and in the "Battle of Sevastopol" taxied - and what's the difference!
        With the dough is generally difficult. In Soviet times, loot - I do not want to take it, take it off! So what? Dissidents and other "Solzhenitsyn" all polls from this environment, where the loot - I do not want to take it. Critics of the regime. Okay, the regime was overwhelmed, and with it the free loot went away. Now we need to "beat off". Has the quality of the material increased? No, it collapsed below the baseboard. Maybe it's not in the dough? After all, after all, somehow, the Coen brothers or Nicholas Winding Refn somehow manage to give out a brilliant movie and earn money.
        1. +15
          19 October 2017 10: 09
          the author correctly noted that filming this movie without reading the Savinykh’s book is disgusting, but if you read it and shot it like that, it’s meanness
          1. +2
            19 October 2017 14: 16
            Quote: novel xnumx
            the author correctly noted that filming this movie without reading the Savinykh’s book is disgusting, but if you read it and shot it like that, it’s meanness

            Come on? And to shoot the "Elusive Avengers", regardless of the memoirs of the representatives of the White Guard is not meanness? Why bring to absurdity? The advisers of the filmmakers were former astronauts, why they didn’t invite the Savins — I don’t know, I agree this is strange. Somehow not very good of course. But it’s straightforward to be obliged to shoot strictly according to his book ... The film is something artistic. Some deviation from truthfulness in favor of entertainment is supposed, the question is in what exactly this deviation is expressed, how adequately it is. Mihalkov’s German tanks with red panels drive, soldiers attack with shovels from the shovels - adequate? Of course not. And in “They Fought for the Motherland”, tanks flare up from a PTR shot - adequate? Tolerant. I think that in Salute the balance between truthfulness and entertainment is not the worst. Make it true - it will become boring, youth will not go to watch (only people in the subject will go). And so maybe at least something in the brain settles, some benefit will be for the average layman born after the 90 year. Already good. Maybe someone will get carried away with astronautics, someone will climb to read about the history of astronautics, someone will find the Savins memoirs.
    2. +6
      19 October 2017 09: 17
      Quote: Alex_59
      So I try to see the positive.

      I agree, there are flaws in the film, but they are not at all such as to curse the creators of the film and wish them to burn in hell! In addition to small nuances and stamps (lighter, vodka, cockroach, threats of generals) - this is a completely normal film. And let young people watch such films better than modern ones, which the author of the article listed. The position of the author of the article is purely Bolshevik - who is not with us is against us. But the world has much more shades than the standard two - black and white. Quite a solid movie.
      One more thing - before chilling the movie, you still need to watch it. This is not to the author of the article - he watched the film. hi
      1. +3
        19 October 2017 09: 34
        Quote: andj61
        I agree, there are flaws in the film, but they are not at all such as to curse the creators of the film and wish them to burn in hell! In addition to small nuances and stamps (lighter, vodka, cockroach, threats of generals) - this is a completely normal film. And let young people watch such films better than modern ones, which the author of the article listed. The position of the author of the article is purely Bolshevik - who is not with us is against us. But the world has much more shades than the standard two - black and white. Quite a solid movie.

        Calm, balanced, careful assessment of the film. I agree with her.
        1. +2
          19 October 2017 10: 23
          Quote: Olgovich
          Calm, balanced, careful assessment of the film.

          V.A.Dzhanibekov also calmly spoke out about the film, without hysteria, which shows a high culture of man.
          1. 0
            22 October 2017 14: 14
            Beaver 1982 But have you served in the Guards Air Defense Brigade on the Rybachy Peninsula?
      2. +4
        19 October 2017 09: 46
        Quote: andj61
        I agree, there are flaws in the film, but they are not at all such as to curse the creators of the film and wish them to burn in hell!

        Here I am about the same. Within the framework of the standards adopted for this genre, it is shot well. At four.
    3. +3
      19 October 2017 17: 24
      Quote: Alex_59
      I want to protect the movie a bit and engage in polemic. Yes, it’s all movie pearls: a lighter, a cockroach ... But how much do we want from a box office movie?

      Well, I don’t understand that without a cockroach a movie would be less watched or what? Cockroach what, mega star? Lighters, sledgehammers, well, in principle, if the authors of this "work" wanted to succeed in the west, then the idea is good, you had to add a bear then with a balalaika, it would definitely be a hit in the west, they like it there. But the question is something else, is it not offensive to the state? Or tomorrow, for the sake of an Oscar, we will shoot a film about stupid Russian military in Syria!? And what, the West is delighted, the Oscar is guaranteed ... I am ashamed of all this.
  11. +12
    19 October 2017 07: 44
    Article ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++! that’s just how, not by washing, so by skating and they turn the people into a ... incapable of dreaming, creating, rebelling against injustice.
    1. +4
      19 October 2017 09: 56
      Vlasovites at the helm Goebels precepts are true
    2. +1
      19 October 2017 10: 45
      Quote: Egoza
      they turn people into ... incapable of dreaming, creating, rebelling against injustice.

      It is necessary to approach the issue very carefully .........rebel against injustice, everything should be within the framework of the law, and prudence is required, otherwise you can reach such a state that you begin to beat your genitals to the paving stones of Red Square in protest against injustice.
      Any person, in fact, is a bastard, and therefore any person can find something to do - uproot all this personal filth in yourself, but do not want to - pulls street riots to arrange.
  12. +4
    19 October 2017 07: 53
    Politics is simple, bark at the past and lie about the present ...
  13. +2
    19 October 2017 08: 00
    I don’t even watch modern cinema)), forums, articles and books are good enough)), to the modern generation, I don’t look at my friends either, for the most part they sit in contact, but in classmates))
  14. +13
    19 October 2017 08: 02
    I would sue on the spot of cosmonauts for libel. And the excuse of the type is a feature film, dismissed.
    Name the station "Zvezdets 5", the planet "Plyggg", astronauts Marviher, Champion and Prostitute and shoot as much as you like and whatever. And this article in the legal language draws on the wording "analogue to complete coincidence." And it is punishable!
  15. +4
    19 October 2017 08: 13
    Roman, that's right. The understanding that you are spat on comes from the exact knowledge of how it should be. The fact that you are being deceived comes from the presence of critical thinking. And all this, from the fullness of knowledge and education. The foundations of critical thinking and compiling the evidence base are laid in the school, while studying the exact sciences, and the hours of mathematics and physics are reduced for the sake of studying household garbage such as life safety. In the 20th century, a breakthrough in development was made by those countries that invested public funds in universal education, complicating programs, thereby increasing the number of people who are able to move the country forward. And almost always it was connected with a respectful attitude to the history of his country and patriotism. Not in the version of the frantic casting of all the rest with manure, but in understanding the role of your country in the history of the world. It’s sad that such crafts appear denigrating our history. Worse, there are fewer and fewer who are able to understand that this is a lie. Beautiful, solidly made, distorting our history, a lie.
  16. +3
    19 October 2017 08: 47
    Unfortunately, Culture and the media are cooked under the watchful eye of masons.
  17. FID
    +5
    19 October 2017 09: 00
    Novel! Once again BRAVO!
  18. +5
    19 October 2017 09: 23
    And I wanted to say one thing: “You're all burning in hell!”
    Burn in hell, the whole team director Shypenko, easily spat on everyone: Dzhanibekova, Savinykh, Ryumin, Savitskaya.
    All of you are burning in hell, the authors of "fine battalions", whatever the name of these "masterpieces": "Bastards", "Citadel", "Viking", "Salute-7"!
    From myself I will add burn in hell and those who help these Judas to spit and distort our past, ministers, bureaucrats, actors, sponsors are all those who, through their action or inaction, ensured the exit of this shit.
    Burn in hell scum, Judah.
  19. +2
    19 October 2017 09: 25
    Quote: Rurikovich
    Society is actually already divided into two types - those who still found that lost and collapsed country, and those who were born already in the new era of freedom and democracy. Some are still inclined to think and analyze and dream, while others are inclined to consume. Of course, even then everything was not perfect, the family has its black sheep, as they say, but on the whole there was something to strive for.

    And then most were inclined to consume precisely. Only then they were sure that the state should give everything to them all around the country just like that. And what was missing - the state is so guilty. And consumed, if not in themselves. "Take every nail from the factory! You are the owner, not the guest!"
    Of course there were those to whom "there is where he seeks." But suddenly they were disappearingly few.
    Neither the best education in the world nor the "most reading country" helped. Even more likely the opposite.
    So, can he admit that a typical consumer society is more honest, more natural for most people? So then the movie is shot accordingly - for which the viewer will pay.
    And all regrets and thoughts about the past are fruitless. The USSR will not be reborn, the unique chance of history is lost.
    Do you need films or anything like what you need - patriotic with a tear about the USSR? Take off, no one forbids. Look for money for it and shoot.
    Did the reconstructors take off their pseudo-historical piece "28 Panfilov"? And it looks like a real movie from only one side, but still found its viewer for a while and even probably somehow paid off.
    1. +4
      19 October 2017 11: 44
      Quote: Mestny
      And then most were inclined to consume precisely. Only then they were sure that the state should give everything to them all around the country just like that.

      No.
      Ever wondered - why then in the stores "there was nothing", and now - "everything is there"?
      Because - consumer demand outstripped consumer offer! "There was a time - and prices were reduced ..." (V.S. Vysotsky)
      Now everything is according to the laws of capitalism: supply far exceeds demand! because - a lot of money ... Their certain Egor Gaidar in 1992 - from the accounts of the "poor" Soviet people, in one fell swoop "reset"!
      So, can he admit that a typical consumer society is more honest, more natural for most people?
      We strive for this! actively...
      “The drawback of the Soviet education system was an attempt to create a Human Creator, and now our task is to grow a qualified consumer” A. A. Fursenko. Minister of Education and Science of the Russian Federation (2004-2012).


      “You say scary things. You propose to transfer power to the hands of the population. As soon as ordinary people understand the basis of their "I", they identify themselves, manage, i.e. it will be extremely difficult to manipulate them. ” (German Gref President and Chairman of the Board of Sberbank of Russia).

      ... and here the question arises of "fiction" and "historical lies"!

      Do you need films or anything like what you need - patriotic with a tear about the USSR? Take off, no one forbids. Look for money for it and shoot.
      Did the reconstructors take off their pseudo-historical piece "28 Panfilov"? And it looks like a real movie from only one side, but still found its viewer for a while and even probably somehow paid off.
      Artistic fiction is designed to enhance, emphasize and shade - yeah, the "truth of life" ... to guide and suggest the "right way" ... And where does the swearing general send us, threatening to shoot everyone and everything ?! Not to mention the "historical lie" - which has a very definite direction, meaning and mode of action!
  20. +4
    19 October 2017 09: 35
    "The USSR won the race in space at the desk," as Kennedy said, now that education has turned into a service, and under capitalism it cannot be otherwise, we will lose because this is not our field, ours where man is friend to man ..., I judge by my children, teachers only give out material, to those who do not understand this is the problem of parents. In such circumstances, what is the new way of the economy? China would not be left behind.
  21. +2
    19 October 2017 09: 49
    And with this, how: Here IMS sells and sells equipment, generally fraud ---- • Alexander Galich - General Director of IMS Industries LLC • Denis Alexandrovich Zotov - Commercial Director - Deputy General Director • Sergey Vladimirovich Samsonov - Technical Director - Deputy General Director • Polishchuk Natalya Pavlovna - Chief Accountant Everyone received bonuses from 10 million to 15 million this year, although ordinary employees receive from 23 thousand rubles to 150-200 thousand rubles. I don’t understand why it’s possible to rob the state by some, but not knowing by others. This is what the brand is. A doctor, teacher, engineer does not receive such bonuses. By the way, they all have UK visas.
  22. +2
    19 October 2017 09: 59
    Quote: JACTUS RECTUS
    What are you telling tales. Education does not teach to get to the bottom of the truth, it teaches to believe, to believe in science, they have created a new religion-science and everyone must take their word for it, these bearded elders, and it is not possible to verify these sciences.
    But if you include skepticism and logic, all these sciences are worthless.

    Getting a good education is a big deal. But even a person with higher education is not always smart. Because education and enlightenment are not the same thing. Enlightenment attracts people to good: to study classics and help
    illiterate to understand the basics of creating a world so opposite, the origins of good and evil.
  23. +3
    19 October 2017 10: 20
    The novel writes everything correctly.
    As an answer to the question
    since I can’t understand why my state not only supports it, I also try with all my might to lower the already low intellectual level of the population

    once again I ask you to listen to our elite:

    And yes, more ....
    Bans of people with opinions different from those of the majority also contribute to dulling the public (majority)
    1. -1
      19 October 2017 10: 28
      Usually it happens - whoever wants to, organizes their own media space, in which they establish their own rules. Guests either agree with them or not, and then go to another place, more consistent with their ideas about freedom of speech.
      Nobody owes anything to anyone - to give, organize, listen to opinions just like that. At least for the reason that I spent my money on this media space.
      Capitalism.
    2. +2
      19 October 2017 10: 29
      "Bans of people with an opinion that differs from the majority opinion also contribute to the dulling of the public." I agree with you, this is everywhere
  24. +2
    19 October 2017 10: 27
    National depression, depression of the mass psyche in the Russian Federation and submission to the idiotic economic course of power is a reality.
  25. +7
    19 October 2017 10: 28
    Cigarettes, booze, repair sledgehammer and cockroaches on a spaceship - I don’t understand for whom it was shot?
    And I understand for whom it is shot ... In the world of the USA they hang a stamp cliche on Russia ... Russian means a primitive bearded-drunk-gangster swearing from the screen ... It doesn’t matter what Russia really is - it’s important how you are served in the world ... Hollywood stamps - but this is a war not for millions but for billions of brains !!!
    Note - the Americans of their citizens (even the "bad guys") will never show in the movie crookedly, wretchedly and mockingly !!! This is the media war of the 21st century - it used to be with the help of Radio Liberty and video cassettes, but now they are doing it on a global scale on the big screen cinema and in the internet ...
    In general, I really understand and respect the people who let all this directorial film stream through strict censorship in the USSR !!!
  26. 0
    19 October 2017 10: 31
    Quote: insular
    By the way, I throw the idea to Skoromorokhov - write in the next article about the dangers of "Masha and the Bear" on the minds of citizens. This is also a very acute problem for VO.

    Is this an irony hope?
    You are not a member of the Goblin Witnesses Sect? This they so mutter in a circle after their gurus about the corruptive influence.
  27. +2
    19 October 2017 10: 32
    Somehow I had no doubt that this article was written by R. Skomorokhov. I support and applaud!
  28. +1
    19 October 2017 10: 33
    "... in the logbook there were no allusions to threats ..." - yes, this is an argument.
  29. +2
    19 October 2017 10: 34
    We will soon stop smiling. Remember "Vasily Terkin" by Alexander Twardowski. Reading this poem, the reader will smile
    and teeth grit with bitterness, reading about the "crossing". The film "They Fought for their Homeland" The truth of this film is that
    the viewer, along with the heroes of this film, is worried about the fate of the heroes and laughs with them. Now at least about the war, even
    peaceful films are staged in one minor. To such films I firmly say "I do not believe." Smile and laugh in all situations
    there is a place of honor.
  30. +1
    19 October 2017 10: 38
    Filmmaking today - it is for money laundering and "cutting the budget", and not "the most important of the arts."
    Immediately after the "sheher" they were embarrassed to publish investigative materials on the Gogol Center about the million thefts? And the investigative materials filed by Poklonskaya (yeah, “fanatic”, “hysterical” and “preoccupied” ...) (she, for a minute - a professional lawyer, in the recent past - an investigator ...) in the IC of Russia about the same “cut” when shooting "Matilda"? Also - they quietly shut up, transferring the "401st method of taking money" to the identity of the applicant (they say a fanatic, and te de ...)!
    -----------------------------------------------
    When it came to writing the script, Lowell was invited to collaborate.
    Viktor Savinyh was denied such honor. As well as Vladimir Dzhanibekov. They were not even invited to consultants.
    And because - no need to pay! "have fun" ...
    -----------------------------------------------
    what is removed is written in the West of the good - it comes to us tightly - the "iron curtain" that has not disappeared is working; only now it is built and maintained on our part!
  31. +3
    19 October 2017 10: 39
    If it was possible to simulate flights to the Moon 50 years ago with the help of Hollywood, then why now, after almost half a century (with incredibly more advanced media technologies), it is impossible to distort and twist the history of the USSR (Russia)?
    It is simply amazing how a whole generation of Soviet cosmonauts and the Soviet leadership were led on a clear, clumsy and crudely concocted Hollywood lie called the Apollo project !!!
    But if the Americans weren’t actually on the Moon, then this casts a huge shadow of doubt around the world on the US state and specifically on NASA - if NASA once made this monstrous lie, then where is the guarantee that some of their other space achievements are not Hollywood fakes?
    Therefore, naturally, the issue of flights to the moon is a matter of strategic security for the USA and we will not see the truth from them here for at least another 50 years !!!
  32. +3
    19 October 2017 10: 42
    Thanks to Roman for the warning about the film. And I, sinfully, thought that a good film ... I told the children about the exploit of the Dzhanibekov and the Savins, I wanted to bring them to the movies .. to show so to speak .. Now I won’t lead.
    I’ll wait until it appears in the public domain, I’ll look to draw up my opinion ..
    Thanks again..
  33. +3
    19 October 2017 10: 45
    ".... I do not know how to go further, but I know that if there is a stupid army in the country, then this army will sooner or later take to the streets." .....

    From the heart ... But, if at least a little bit in the brain is left from NK, MLF, and the East Communist Party. Yes, at least a textbook of the “Newest History” of 75-77 edition .... - there is neither a revolutionary situation in Russia, nor a leading and directing force, nor an advanced detachment ..... nor even the drunken sailors on the Aurora .. ... Riot ?! ... - Ssykuns .... At half an hour of work of the Russian Guard ... They are happy .... stupid drunk and screaming ..... There will be no "Red Presnya" in modern Russia .... There is nobody. Dot. And there’s nothing to poke around and worry shy housewives
    1. 0
      19 October 2017 16: 09
      No one. Dot.
      Navalny ..., Poklonskaya .., Putin .., Only these three have demonstrated that they will not lead to a bright future.
  34. +4
    19 October 2017 10: 49
    The author, why are you hysterical, and ??? Well, you wrote that the film is bad, smart people will watch, draw their conclusions, stupid people will just watch. Why do you think that any film must necessarily teach something important ?? you live in capitalism, here the directors do not teach something, they earn money ...
  35. Mwg
    0
    19 October 2017 10: 49
    Amen, Roman Skomorokhov, amen .... I join you
  36. +3
    19 October 2017 11: 09
    And what did the author expect from Russian cinema of the 2017 model? Is it really a masterpiece like “War and Peace” or “Quiet Don”, “In the war, as in the war” or “Only old people go into battle”? The fact that Salyut-7 - dog shit concocted by Hollywood patterns - was already clear from the teaser that came out in June.
    Why all this bombing with curses on the film crew?
  37. +1
    19 October 2017 11: 14
    I read the article and the feeling of déjà vu ... A week ago in AiF there was a review of this film. And the text was taken completely from there with a small preamble and the author’s ending. Who cares, here is the link -
    http://www.aif.ru/culture/movie/recenziya_na_saly
    ut-7_kosmicheskaya_ataka_s_cherenkami
    1. +1
      19 October 2017 11: 51
      Quote: KachesGM
      I read the article and the feeling of déjà vu ... A week ago in AiF there was a review of this film. And the text was taken completely from there with a small preamble and the author’s ending. Who cares, here is the link -
      http://www.aif.ru/culture/movie/recenziya_na_saly
      ut-7_kosmicheskaya_ataka_s_cherenkami

      Well, I read ...
      I can still throw:The film "Hostages". Why do we need an attempt to romanticize terrorists?https://www.nakanune.ru/articles/113346/
      https://www.planet-kob.ru/articles/6489
  38. +3
    19 October 2017 11: 29
    An article on the topic of the day! Something made me not to watch this film, and tuned for it commercials that provoked the rejection of the next imitation of Hollywood masterpieces (without quotes to masterpieces - in terms of fooling people).
    And this article echoes the situation with another film - "Sleeping" ....
    And both raise one problem - who is the enemy of our country and people. And who is fooling our youth, turning it into a stupid ruminant herd without a future and prospects.
  39. +1
    19 October 2017 11: 56
    It’s sad that one can distort and overtake the heroic deed. This is meanness and the authors need to know this and admit it openly, although it would be in front of Russian viewers.
  40. +17
    19 October 2017 12: 01
    Well written. With soul.
  41. 0
    19 October 2017 12: 03
    The author himself confirms his conclusions: "I do not know how to go further, but I know that ...",))
  42. +2
    19 October 2017 12: 22
    What did you expect ?! We live in an era of "developing capitalism." Critics criticize for money, and not like in Soviet times for an idea. However, debility was enough at that time. Leonid Bykov is an example of a person with a difficult fate trying to prove the truth. But society is not blunt, do not slander. We still have plenty of thinking and smart people, but we don’t know how to defend our civic position, or we don’t want to. Reasonable leaders are increasingly being replaced by immoral scumbags who bought diplomas and joined the ranks of bear-lovers. I didn’t know who to vote for in the elections, I have never seen anyone, and I don’t know their “exploits”, so I voted against all the candidates. Interestingly, many did this? Apparently not, because the elections did take place and the newly elected deputies will continue to plunder municipal money, land, property. And cinema ...., yes, our share of cinema in the domestic market is insignificant, and no one in the crowd of Hollywood will salute very much. Making children read good books is the thread that connects with reality.
  43. +4
    19 October 2017 12: 37
    Everything seems to be correct. And the article put a bold plus. But something is still not quite right. What exactly?
    We somehow “deify” the Soviet era a little. I say "we" - which took place during the USSR. And it seems that we are “to blame” for the fact that this paradise of the world suddenly fell and rushed into the abyss ... but we did not protest .. but we did not go out .. but we did not understand .. So? This is both "so" and not so.
    You write that in the film, and in life it was not so ... no one gloated, no one threatened, everything from the marshal to the ordinary - the brothers embraced in a single impulse and only dreamed of the happiness of their homeland.
    Oh?
    Do not we fall into a simple and snotty pussing? It was something different. And the feat was .. but there was great meanness and hypocrisy. And it is not known what more.
    Do you sing the “feat”? I agree, a worthy task. But to mock the bulk of the people of that time - say, "ungrateful", blind kutyats, seduced by sausage .. silent or fleeing. Not good, sir! Not so it was all.
    We are so educated and well-read, but led to the chaff? Yes, fullness! Or have you forgotten about "Valka-glass"? But she is from that time. She taxied then young and well-read.
    I remember at the beginning of the 80's I came to register with the Komsomol in one central Komsomol district organization of Leningrad - where, since the time of the October Revolution, by tradition, a woman has always been a secretary. Honestly, I was stunned: they sat at each of dozens of tables ... as it were, to put it mildly, well, probably, the current graduates of the Higher School of Economics are all one-to-one young handsome men, two meters tall, with water to drink from their faces, well-groomed to the tips of the nails, everything is now on the cover of Playboy. Hollywood is resting and crying with bitter envy! And they have conversations! While I was sitting and waiting for the reception, I found out where to buy the latest fashionable body shirts and trousers, jeans and imported perfumes ... Where can I make a cool permanent. And there are many many other "interesting" things from a male Komsomol point of view!
    It was they who led us to the bright future of all mankind.
    From your article, you might think that “at the top” were quite worthy people - directly the benefactors of the people! Maybe they were. But I very often came across in my own military environment - the more boss, the more excuse me, the more boorish, tyrant and without measure pleased with myself. All these traits coexisted together or separately.
    They sent us one lieutenant general to the chiefs ... A new broom, you know, everyone was expecting new trends. And they came! Every other day, every day, general meetings - two to three hours together with civilian female personnel. And a solid, sophisticated mat from his mouth for the entire duration of the meeting. The women tried to leave .. but it wasn’t there - who leaves, all by a pencil and subsequent dismantling with the threat of dismissal. And we educated and well-read, officers, the color and pride of the nation, sat and endured ... And what will you do? You won’t give him a muzzle, you won’t challenge him to a duel .. again, you definitely ruin your career.
    So I once ruined my career ...
    Everyone was then. Now is not better ... but the legs are growing from that time.
    1. +5
      19 October 2017 13: 33
      Quote: kunstkammer
      We are so educated and well-read, but led to the chaff? Yes, fullness!

      Everything is logical. Soviet society cultivated education, educated thinking citizens, considering it a blessing. As a result, thinking citizens began to think about whether we were going there, whether it was possible to live differently. Which ultimately led to the erosion of Soviet doctrines and dogmas. No one came to the defense of the USSR? That's right, at that time, most people had a firm belief that it was not possible to live on like that and that this life should be changed. And here they are - the long-awaited changes. I ask myself - would I be at that moment, at that time, firmly convinced that the USSR, and not Yeltsin, should be defended? And I don’t have a clear answer. Who knew what would happen next, that these were not reforms, not changes, but the destruction of the foundations of the state that was built over 300 years?
    2. +6
      19 October 2017 17: 06
      verh. Kustkammer, you correctly noticed. Our country was killed by a generation of temporary workers and opportunists. Essentially careerists with a party ticket. For them, membership in the CPSU was a pass to a good life.
      Remember the principle: "To get rid of a fool, you need to raise him."
      In the GSVG, the "Gorbachevites" carried out their line, removing the deserved and real. Somewhere I already cited the example of Mikhail Mitrofanovich Zaitsev, his replacement in Baku, and then the ensuing leapfrog with the Commanders. And Lizichev? Yes, what to say ...
  44. +5
    19 October 2017 12: 39
    ... "the most reading country. True, there was a trap here.

    Educated and developed people did not believe in the idea of ​​communism and, at the right moment, opposed the existing system or emigrated. Not all, but many.

    And according to our "import" readers, not everyone vegetates in the world of capital. For they are smart and educated, that is, a place closer to the top of the food chain is almost guaranteed to them. "...

    I read an article by Roman. All right, they are numbing, they are contributing to the numbing of next generations. The conclusion is correct - you need a lot of obedient people.
    Only those who need this mass are not named.
    I did not like only one passage from Roman, the one I quoted in the quote. It is not true. About disbelief in the most intelligent communism.
    Therefore, those who overthrew him. They did not overthrow socialism ...
    I don’t want to get involved in polemics, but I think you understood me correctly.
    1. 0
      19 October 2017 13: 06
      Eheh-eh .... Socialism will triumph not because it is wrong, but because its enemies are wrong ....
      And what does the movie have to do with it? My most favorite "Serenade of the Solar Valley" .... It is in English ... Well, whoever doesn’t like to read, they are not people ..... zombies and molesters .... they don’t understand ... they neither imagination nor imagination nor compassion nor participation is developed .... Humus, useless, they will be swept away at once, and I’m afraid they won’t be able to stand up for either mom or for a bride or for a friend
  45. +1
    19 October 2017 12: 44
    Stas157,
    If there is a billion, then he triples himself ... Money makes money! This is not the point here! "Capitalism ..." laughing
  46. +5
    19 October 2017 13: 02
    Great article! I would put a hundred pluses if there was an opportunity!
    Why is my state not only supporting it, but also by all means trying to lower the already low intellectual level of the population?. This question excites all sane citizens of Russia!
    And why is the government so generously financing dumbing, stupor and spitting? The answer is simple. Need perfect weight. Which will not rock the boat, and quietly standing in the stall. And it will go only when the shepherd clicks the scourge.
    The state, in the person of liberals - crooks, seized with all limbs for power, is eager to wait until those who have caught the USSR and remember everything about it — both good and bad! Do not wait. Events in the 21st century are developing much faster, the powerful turbulence of all world processes is obvious, and efforts, the so-called "backstage," the dismantling of the capitalist system. Our oligarchs of the Russian spill should not be deceived for a minute that the money stolen from the country and the people will go to their heirs. Hungry and angry young passionaries will soon come to their offspring and with a stern face will demand the return of the loot. The West will not help here either, because it will be afraid of this new galaxy, like fire!
    1. 0
      19 October 2017 13: 38
      How much per month do you have? And how fast is the teacher of literature? ... "Crying Yaroslavna" And how fast is the teacher of Russian language and literature? .... "Yesterday I arrived in Pyatigorsk and hired an apartment on the very edge of the city ...." And how fast is the teacher of Bashkir? ... Two words to connect .... Ay !!!! ..... We with the Arabs - right away ... Oh I won’t
  47. +1
    19 October 2017 13: 10
    You listen to Gref.
    Their ideal is caste society - strata, estate society. What else did they come up with, I'm just scared to even talk about it. This is to Kovalchuk Mikhail Valentinovich.
    1. 0
      19 October 2017 16: 49
      Do people live differently now?
      Take off your pink glasses.
  48. +1
    19 October 2017 13: 44
    The author clearly has a sore soul for the country. Righteous anger rushes from the lines. Arguments are iron. It's like that. But the author’s love for the country begins in 1917, and the pity for the lost system and for the spat on achievements concerns only the USSR. And what are you surprised at? As this system came to power - inhuman hatred of the people and the unheard-of killings of its best representatives, so it died. Rather, she died more mildly - rotted. Yes, in Soviet times we conquered space. This required a revolution. Or is it still not? Maybe tsarist Russia would have made rockets no worse than the year 50, had it not been destroyed, and the best minds had been killed? Ah, the author? Yes, and it was done by people of that old formation. As soon as they were gone, things started with a big creak. But no, tears pour over the USSR, but to the Holy Emperor, who laid down his life to somehow stop world evil and at the same time save the people, good and bad, from fratricide, we’ll also pay money to spit in the face again by watching “Matilda” . And what are you surprised that people do not want to know anything? You don’t want to know God; you consciously reject Him; you write His name with a small letter. He is no one to you. Well, reap the benefits: your space is nothing to them, and the truth about it, and all the achievements of the USSR. Naturally. Until we lay the foundation of our life as it should, on the eternal, any dirty wave will wash away our house. But if you do not want to build a foundation, do not blame anyone else for what he drinks from the puddle. Pay righteous anger first to your own soul, and there you will see how to help people not be stupid.
    1. 0
      27 October 2017 16: 01
      Quote: Anton
      Perhaps tsarist Russia would have made rockets no worse than the year 50, had it not been destroyed, and the best minds had been killed?

      Maybe the Roman Empire, maybe the Ottoman Empire, maybe the Arab Caliphate, maybe the Babylonian kingdom, which is necessary for emphasizing the flight of fantasy. laughing
      Quote: Anton
      But the author’s love for the country begins in 1917

      And from what year should I start? smile
      Quote: Anton
      How this system came to power - inhuman hatred of the people and the unheard of killings of its best representatives

      Wow, how bad. And the previous system when tightening the screws with serfdom so that it brought the peasants in fact to the level of slaves, did it seem to burn with love for the people? Best representatives? Ahahahaha. Then who are you? Who are all those Soviet scientists, engineers, workers, peasants, pilots, military, leaders, athletes, artists who glorified the USSR throughout the world? Although I agree with the fact that you are a mistake in evolution. laughing
      1. 0
        6 February 2018 19: 11
        I am not a mistake of evolution, because there was no evolution. There are small changes within the species. In humans, it is race and nationality. One could advise you to read books, yes, apparently they did, but not those. School books 90s, probably. And then they stopped teaching to think, and the result is a patterned mess in the head. When you once again get naughty or disgusting on the street, you should know that this is just a person with the same views as yours. Read carefully, I already answered your question (because I knew that it would be):
        Quote: Anton
        Yes, and it was done by people of that old formation. As soon as they were gone, things started with a big creak.
        Hope for the Soviet system is futile, this system is false, and therefore unviable.
  49. +2
    19 October 2017 13: 46
    How much can you be surprised?
    It has long been known that fools are much easier to control than smart ones. "Pinocchio" remember. "You don’t need a knife for a fool, you’ll sing him a little, and do whatever you like with him."
    But since round fools are naturally born in insufficient quantities, the task of their production in the process of upbringing, education and existence has been set. The capitalists came to this a long time ago. Now capitalism is in the former USSR. So what are we waiting for? Field of Dreams?
  50. +2
    19 October 2017 14: 18
    Bravo, Roman is well written! good
  51. +3
    19 October 2017 14: 40
    Maybe not quite on topic, but still... From an interview with Ray Bradbury on the occasion of the writer’s 90th birthday, 2010
    “In 1950, you wrote a book that brought you worldwide fame - the collection of stories “The Martian Chronicles”. It said: by the beginning of the second millennium there will be settlements, entire cities of earthlings on Mars. Why do you think this did not happen in the end ?
    Ray Bradbury: - People often ask me about this, and I like to fantasize about the answers... Today's answer: because people - . They did a lot of stupid things: they came up with costumes for dogs, the position of an advertising manager and things like the iPhone, without getting anything in return except a sour aftertaste. But if we had developed science, explored the Moon, Mars, Venus... Who knows what the world would be like then? Humanity has been given the opportunity to explore space, but it wants to engage in consumption - drink beer and watch TV series."
    Source: http://raybradbury.ru/person/interview/2010-AIF-j
    ubilee-interview/
  52. +4
    19 October 2017 15: 13
    Quote: Abracadabrus
    One may relate to Nicholas II and the fact of his canonization, but this does not give the right to defamation or to ignore the opinions of that part of society for whom this name is holy.

    How do you order “not to ignore”, silently agree with the “opinion” and remain silent? The state has long placed the “believing” part of society above everyone else. Try to say something to the point and immediately... "insulting the feelings of believers", and without any specification of what the believers believe in, and what feelings were insulted, and the sentence for this is real. What can you call it other than “witch hunt in the 21st century”. Nicholas II was conanized, but for what exactly? Nicholas, during his reign, shed more blood than all his ancestors combined. He dragged the country into 2 wars (and no one attacked us), led to 2 revolutions, drowned the first in blood, the second ate him, shot 2 peaceful demonstrations. Yes, he was a good family man, but isn’t there enough merit to declare him a saint?
    1. 0
      6 February 2018 19: 15
      You're delirious. And they give time for insulting the feelings of all believers except Russian Orthodox. Regarding at least basic respect for shrines with which you disagree, the standard advice is: go to the mosque and tell them everything there. If you survive, consider that you have the right to throw mud at Nicholas II.
  53. +3
    19 October 2017 15: 30
    I do not agree with the author that everything that happens in the so-called art, culture and education is due to stupidity and poor training and upbringing. This is a systematic war against our people and country for destruction, which began in ancient times and never stopped. the history of our people back in the 18-19 centuries, for this purpose our great achievements and the heads of our state, the great sons of our people, are desecrated, in order to show all our wretchedness over the centuries. They pour mud and fictitious facts, turning the same Stalin, Lenin. Beria, Brezhnev, etc. into monsters and degenerates. For this purpose, the system of children's education, upbringing and vocational education was systematically destroyed, so that creative people with a broad outlook, capable of creating and creating masterpieces, would not appear. It is easier for the stupid, limited, narrow-minded gray mass of consumers, lumpen people manage and instill something, rams and sheep are rams and sheep with cows. One of the greats said (not a very stupid person) if you want to subjugate or destroy a nation, take care of its children, they have taken care of ours and have already taken them away. Russians (in a broad sense sense of the word in our multinational state) can only defeat and destroy themselves (which is confirmed by our brothers who are not brothers). To do this, they need to be deprived of their history and to discredit and distort traditional values, replacing them with others, which has already happened in the West. It is necessary to deprive the Russians of their national culture and self-identity, in which our enemies have succeeded. The entire so-called film industry, beau monde, pop music, theaters, and TV are completely working to please the hostile power, praying to their gods and idols from Hollywood, like monkeys stupidly and blindly copying everything from there, at least in his own environment, trying to get closer to them, considering it a blessing to kiss their shoe, imitating and grimacing whatever, instilling ideals that are alien and destructive to us, boasting of his palaces and houses in Miami (it’s not clear for what kind of masterpieces , like our football players who receive millions for putting on boots and standing on the field) Hence all the Serebryannikovs who promote homosexuality, stealing along the way, with the friendly cry of the crowd of the dressed, hence the films about Zhukov, who instead of war dealt with women, Nicholas II , who had no time for the empire, the Vikings who gave us the empire, otherwise they would have died of lice, now Lenin and Trotsky are on the way, where all problems are also solved between the legs, as it turned out, by wretched scoundrels, etc., etc., One thing is not clear, how have we not yet killed everyone each other, built the greatest empire and have existed for more than 1000 years? I believe that we need a new Nuremberg, a narrow Russian one, while all the figures are alive, where the Stavropol people must answer in the dock before the people machine operator, foreman's clique, and minister of education and science, his guilt in the destruction of the state is commensurate with the genocide of the people, he deprived us of our future, killed the Kurchatovs, Queens, Tupolevs and others.
    1. 0
      6 February 2018 19: 28
      But since the new Russian Nuremberg must be satisfied by the authorities, and it is they who are implanting all this “wonderful” things on us, it will not happen. The ruler gives us something, a lot improves, but the state cannot replace the family. And the school can't. When we had good schools, remember what our parents did? Both mother and father plowed (worked). Now the school, one might say, is the enemy. Mother and father must take the upbringing of children into their own hands, where it belongs in the first place. But the mother and father, exhausted and deceived, absorbed false principles by which no one lived (the dogmas of the USSR), and now also the nihilism of the current system. They can't educate.
      Quote: seacap
      curly, queen, tupoli and others.

      What if Korolev, Kurchatov, Tupolev, Alekseev, Grachev and others were raised not by great and educated parents, but by some people who, without the help of school and state, gave them the most important thing: conscience, hard work and love for the Motherland. And modern parents can still give this to their children without waiting for the “actors” to be tried.
  54. +3
    19 October 2017 15: 32
    the authors of the "penal battalions", no matter what these "masterpieces" are called: "Bastards", "Citadel", "Viking", "Salyut-7"!

    And I enjoyed watching the movie "Sleepers"
    It's not like a movie, the film is mediocre, there are no stunning views, the acting is straightforward.
    For this reason, it is directly, simply and honestly said WHERE such authors come from and WHERE they should go.
    This is the first film of its kind, which is why liberals were so excited about it.
  55. 0
    19 October 2017 15: 42
    Quote: E_V_N
    Yes, he was a good family man, but isn’t there enough merit to declare him a saint?

    And he, I apologize, was not canonized for this, read the preamble for what and how, on the website of the Russian Orthodox Church in the public domain, for martyrdom and loyalty to his ideals, fortitude.
  56. +3
    19 October 2017 15: 53
    Correct article! Took it to social networks.

    I absolutely agree with what was said in the article.

    I will add on my own behalf that for an anti-Soviet-Russophobic “culture,” especially one filmed/produced with the involvement of state funds, one should be given a sentence “for treason to the Motherland.” An attempt to justify “this is how I see the world” is recognized as an aggravating circumstance.
  57. +1
    19 October 2017 16: 40
    Novel.
    It wouldn’t hurt to open Wikipedia and read about the Salyut 7 station.
    Started operating in 1982.
    It ended its existence in 1992.
    The events about which the film narrates took place in 1985.
    So the phrase - “How bad it is to be a person who knows the history of this fantastic flight not from blockbusters, but having read Viktor Savinykh’s book “Notes from a Dead Station.” And who visited the control center during the spacewalk by Russian cosmonauts” - this is an absolute distortion of the facts.
    There were no Russian cosmonauts then. They were SOVIET!

    And the last.
    In the distant 80s of the last century (millennium), a teacher at one of the universities said an amazing phrase.
    “A correctly posed question contains 50% of the answer.”
    So from what you asked in the form of questions, you can formulate a full answer to them.
    1. 0
      19 October 2017 19: 09
      Demo,
      Let me add from memory... It was planned to operate for only 4 years...
  58. 0
    19 October 2017 16: 48
    Another whiner.
    People are always stupid! Absolutely everyone is stupid and incompetent in 99% of issues.
  59. +2
    19 October 2017 16: 58
    badens1111,
    I didn’t see a constructive position in your criticism! Let's go down to the form - I am for GDP and its exchange rate, are you against it? All the prerequisites for civil war in the event of a revolution are already evident! I don’t understand you, just because by your actions you will push a more or less peaceful and free society towards a fratricidal war! Where were you in 93 and 96, then I would have supported you, not in 2017! Excuse me! For me, you stand on a par with Navalny, Gorbachev, Yeltsin..., traitors to Russia! I'm sorry! hi
  60. +2
    19 October 2017 17: 40
    Bravo, Roman!!! Every word = pure gold.
  61. +1
    19 October 2017 18: 19
    Roman, this is a rhetorical question! The authorities benefit from stupid plebs. They are easier to control and manipulate. This is a trend all over the world. Alas, humanity is deteriorating. And the main culprit of this degradation is neoliberal capitalism.
  62. 0
    19 October 2017 18: 28
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_difdEhyJuk Прекрасный документальный фильм
  63. +1
    19 October 2017 18: 30
    I completely agree with the author. Before the race, I’ll say that from Legend-17 I learned that our hockey player was given strength by his childhood memory of a Spanish bullfight, i.e. not the exploits of Russian people, starting from the epic heroes, but unknown bullfighters killing animals for the amusement of a stupefied crowd.
  64. +1
    19 October 2017 19: 04
    The funny thing is that I didn’t plan to go see “Matilda” and “Salyut-7”. Regularly, every day, I drive past the cinema where it will be shown and I see a poster for “Salyut-7”, the picture of which, frankly, makes me gag. It shows something like an explosion in the area of ​​the docking station and a “sieve” of solar panels.
    But so much has been written and said about these two films that I’ll probably watch both. Just to have my own opinion.
    I agree with the comrade’s statement Alex_59. For some reason we consider one thing acceptable and the other not. The film is artistic and most likely, in addition to the main line of the film, all of its content, or at least most of it, is the artistic invention of the director and screenwriter. Surely there is something that overwhelms. But I don’t have my own opinion about this film because I haven’t watched it. And to give an assessment without seeing what you are talking about is more reminiscent of that same joke. The one about the Jew. who said that he didn’t understand what was wrong with the famous Caruso’s voice. To the question, but I heard it myself, the answer followed: NO I HAVEN'T HEARD IT, BUT IZYA SINGED HIS REPERTOIRE TO ME . You know, there is already a textbook statement about Pasternak’s book “Doctor Zhevago”: I HAVEN'T READ THE BOOK, BUT I KNOW THAT IT IS ANTI-SOVIET. Maybe let's watch these films and then discuss????

    Quote: ramzes1776
    And how he was advertised through all the central channels !!! The film "Time of the First" from the same "opera".

    Why didn’t you like the film “Time of the First”? What is his anti-Soviet attitude? A well-made film. Based on real events. With real situations. In principle, all events are described quite accurately. Not without some flaws, but this is a feature film, not a documentary. This means that the author has the right to his own vision of the problem, to his own dialogues, although I honestly could not understand one fragment.
    Yes, it is desirable that authors “not go too far,” but this depends on the “magnitude” of the author himself. You can make a worthless documentary that will be forgotten in six months or a year, or you can make one like Romm made - “Ordinary Fascism.” Same with artistic ones. And what is “inside”, in dialogues and other tinsel - Pikul was once accused that what he writes does not correspond 100% to the historical outline. To which he replied. "I am a writer and have the right to my own opinion." And he asked his counterpart a counter question: “You don’t study the history of France from The Three Musketeers? So let’s slow down a little before many of those who wrote here have watched the film.”
    1. +1
      19 October 2017 20: 09
      “time of the first” is the same nonsense as Salyut-7. With an enchanting kiss to yourself in the ass from Leonov.
      Cruel disappointment. Watch Tubus’s video, and at the same time his subsequent video for criticism.
      They keep feeding you the same crap. It's just softer now.
  65. +2
    19 October 2017 19: 07
    But actually, why think about it... this is why convolutions appear on the brain... why do we need engineers, shepherds from Central Asia will come and do everything, they can do anything, you don’t even ask... just show the boss the way.
  66. 0
    19 October 2017 20: 05
    I do not know what to write. Even if I want to.
    Shit.
    1. 0
      19 October 2017 20: 40
      To the Navy, to a contract, to the Marines, to the Airborne Forces - there will be no thoughts, but experience will appear, clearly!!! And there you will grow up
      1. 0
        19 October 2017 21: 57
        Do you often share your thoughts? After growing up?
        1. 0
          20 October 2017 06: 14
          There are few people left with... And they don’t like about ... this and that... It’s better about women and about movies... I’m crazy about “Sea Devils” - even my wife called them “Vile Devils”
          1. 0
            20 October 2017 12: 52
            Well, I sympathize and somehow understand. This is the case everywhere these days - people are focused on life like eating and sleeping (or something worse). Unfortunately, the only thing that will make the masses think is a roasted rooster.
  67. +1
    19 October 2017 20: 33
    The economic system dictates its rights and restrictions to the consumer.

    In the USSR, the reincarnation of Capitalism began in the 60s from the moment enterprises received the rights to sell “surplus products” at commercial prices. That's it
    1. 0
      19 October 2017 22: 58
      the rise of the nomenklatura would also be added by the death of more than a significant part of the conscious communists in the Second World War. Combined, destroyed the Union.
  68. 0
    19 October 2017 20: 34
    it all started.
  69. +1
    19 October 2017 20: 36
    “The Russians are getting dumber no worse than the Americans”... I agree, the Russians are getting dumber BETTER than the Americans!
    1. 0
      19 October 2017 21: 11
      Nope... Bro... We fight, we fight and stand up for ourselves... One Syrian special forces... You could do it, son...
  70. Bat
    0
    19 October 2017 20: 38
    Article commissioned by the State Department.
  71. +3
    19 October 2017 20: 48
    Quote: Finches
    Here I am a little veiled, but I will answer you in the words of Zhiglov [/i]
    Zheglova!
  72. +2
    19 October 2017 20: 49
    Quote: Finches
    I didn’t see a constructive position in your criticism!

    criticE!
  73. +1
    19 October 2017 20: 53
    Quote: Alex_59
    Isn’t it meanness to film “The Elusive Avengers” without taking into account the memoirs of representatives of the White Guard?

    In the elderberry garden, in Kiev, uncle!
  74. +1
    19 October 2017 21: 00
    Quote: Finches
    the same thing is not one day

    SAME!
  75. 0
    19 October 2017 21: 22
    I, I’m not saying this stupid. But maybe a little sometimes. That’s why I’m saying it now. In principle, the author is right. Yes, the author is right in some ways. Well. author.there is such a thing.you understand the matter.okay let’s sort it out. You don’t need to push this matter too hard on honest people. Just like we are, that’s how we are. And you don’t need to be here. I understand what you here want to tell us and all of me. Okay, in short. There’s no need to push the snowstorm so hard anymore. Tuta. Even without you it smells strong here. so it's not necessary. frets. KS2000
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  76. 0
    19 October 2017 22: 38
    Quote: Mestny
    Neither the best education in the world nor the "most reading country" helped. Even more likely the opposite.

    I agree, no matter what they say, but law-abiding was brought up in the Soviet people, and the majority were not ready to just go out and kill. Therefore, a small gang of “lawless men” could always keep an entire city in fear. That’s why it was so easy for a relatively small group of lawless Komsomol communists to seize power in the 90s.
  77. +1
    19 October 2017 22: 47
    Branded, so branded. And what? A high-tech film production designed to make a profit. The script and actors are secondary. The main thing is action. It would be nice to add a line of Aliens and Asgard in the Politburo to the plot.
  78. +1
    19 October 2017 22: 50
    The author’s words show nostalgia for the glorious past, for the indestructible USSR, for successes in space, or rather, for the ideology and national idea that the Union had, and which modern Rossit does not have. There is no idea, there is no desire among directors to adjust their scripts to these ideas, there are no bodies that would monitor the conformity of the meaning of films with this idea, so why be surprised? What a time, such are the films. But there is no point in lamenting about the lack of literacy and the high intelligence of Soviet people; where is the Soviet Union with its ideas and ideologies now? He collapsed along with all his literacy, the ideological shell burst under the pressure of capitalist temptations, there is no point in regretting the lost, unviable ideology, as it is, so let everything go, especially since the reality in which we live is drawn for us by our own power, there will be another power, there will be another painted reality
  79. 0
    20 October 2017 09: 17
    This article is further confirmation of the old truth: whoever pays the money gets the girl to dance. Now you can’t beat these “henies” on a stinking goat. The whole flock of them, under the leadership of Kostya Raikin (really, nature rests on the children of GENIUS) will squeal about oppression, censorship and other nonsense that is not understood (I wonder by whom???????????????? ???) "KHENIEV".
  80. 2ez
    0
    20 October 2017 10: 32
    The article is good, probably correct, but there is one big “BUT”... They carried alcohol into space! The cosmonauts themselves don’t really hide this, but the management turned a little blind eye. How much alcohol... Please note, Vdovichenkov takes out very little from the stash. And to Derevianko’s question the answer is: “You’re flying with me”... Regarding the missile shooting down of the station. And for some reason I believe that such an idea existed! Simply because NO ONE gave a guarantee that the station would fall somewhere in the deserted expanses of the World Ocean! And twenty tons of uncontrollable iron on the heads of Muscovites, Leningraders, Londoners - it wouldn’t seem too much to anyone! Conflict between the authorities and the flight director - why not? Just, probably, not in the format that was shown in the film. Everyone is on edge, nerves are on edge, everything is unknown. Maybe the spark of the conflict was lost... In 1979, our graduate spoke at our school; he served at Baikonur, captain. I remember three things he said. 1. Cosmonauts fly not only for scientific purposes, they are military people, so don’t ask me any more questions on this topic. 2. Cosmonauts are living people, some smoke, but he himself does not smoke, and does not advise children! 3. Cosmonauts are trained for a very long time, they must be able to do almost everything, NOBODY will help them in space, but it is very difficult to find people who are completely psychologically suitable for each other. Therefore, often a person, even a very well prepared one, remains on Earth, while others fly away.
    And I personally liked the film. It’s just that THIS IS A REAL FEAT, without pathos, and this is finally being filmed in our cinema! Like Ozerov’s “Liberation”...
  81. 0
    20 October 2017 15: 42

    The Ministry of Health warns)))
  82. +2
    20 October 2017 20: 21
    It’s a shame that the author didn’t give another example. Film "72 meters". The author, Pokrovsky, who himself served on submarines for a long time, was forbidden to edit film mistakes in this film and was promised to pay for the use of his materials only if he did not edit anything. I know this from him personally. And they removed some rubbish that, apart from causing vomiting, does not cause submariners. And Pokrovsky himself was simply discredited. After all, not everyone knows that he was given an ultimatum.
    1. 0
      6 February 2018 20: 01
      Could he refuse? An ultimatum implies a choice, just a tough one. In this case, according to you, if he had edited it, they would not have paid. But he would have saved his reputation, no? At one time, Oleg Borisov was told to spit on an icon for the role. He refused. My career has gone downhill, but now I’m probably in heaven.
  83. 0
    21 October 2017 18: 59
    I’m still not drawn to watch this film - “Salyut 7”, precisely for the reasons that the author noted (although it has been in good 3D quality for a long time, I installed a good projector at home especially for such a film, made the sound wisely, normal glasses picked up). I completely agree with the author - since many of my named “uncles” and “aunts”, on whose knees I played as a child, worked for the USSR space complex and they told a COMPLETELY different story - so, I’m simply AFRAID OF BEING DISAPPOINTED in another “film masterpiece”. I just want to draw your attention to a small detail (after all, we are all people, not some kind of celestial beings). Quote (cosmonaut pilot, Hero of the Soviet Union, Alexander Serebrov) -
    I remember I flew with Sasha Viktorenko, so he specially took a pack of “Java” with him in his pocket, in his bosom. Already in orbit, he knelt down in front of the toilet (attached to it so as not to fly away), turned on the filter that absorbs harmful impurities, and began to smoke in this very toilet.

    Only once did Sasha succeed, because I gave him such a blackbird! But the flight directors did not notice anything. They don't notice a lot of things about us. So the less smoke, the cleaner the air!


    This is of course a trifle, and in general does not improve the image of the picture...
  84. +1
    21 October 2017 23: 30
    Great article! I registered on VO just to show respect to the author! Yes, the country is becoming dumber at breakneck speed, and it seems that the government has some special program, according to which a whole gang of figures from “culture and art” generates tasteless, vulgar, immoral content in the form of films, plays, television shows, and so on.
  85. +1
    22 October 2017 20: 30
    Why was Skomorokhov excited? Today I watched the film “Salyut-7” with my daughter and grandchildren. We all liked it. Not a masterpiece, of course, but a good film that personally reminded me of our native USSR, when people were ready to risk their lives for the prestige of the Motherland. So Skomorokhov needs to heal his nerves. Well, we ourselves chose consumerism, including you Skomorokhov. It was necessary to speak out against the traitorous little humpback, but we remained silent. Well, you get it and sign it: capitalism is in the yard. But I think all this is temporary. It will pass, just like communism. And something fairer will emerge. It's a pity we won't make it. But during the elections, everyone will have to think about who to vote for.
  86. 0
    23 October 2017 03: 22
    Interestingly, this film was also made with the assistance of the Ministry of Culture of the Russian Federation? I think I read somewhere that part of the funds in the form of government funding was received from the Cinema Fund. In this case, Medinsky is in the firebox. I hesitated.
  87. 0
    23 October 2017 12: 24
    Confrontation with Westerners in the field of politics and ideology is not necessarily accompanied by confrontation in the field of economics, education, culture, etc.

    But even in the economy, in an extremely truncated form, something is being done. But the culture is a complete mess. If you look at cinematography in general, I suggest everyone to search using words like “the most failed Russian films”, etc. I guarantee a thrill. Nothing decent has been filmed at all over the last 25-30 years.

    The most disgusting thing is that in the USA there are “Space Cowboys” and there is “Apollo 13”. But we have an analogue of cowboys, but there is no analogue of Apollo and, apparently, there never will be. sad
  88. 0
    23 October 2017 17: 57
    Quote: Dead Day
    Quote: Finches
    We agreed to play by these rules.

    and they asked us? we were "divorced" just like the Maidan people, we also, with faith "in a brighter future," chose an alcoholic who threw the country into plunder ... and now we have what we have ... neo-feudalism.

    ... they chose - but was there a choice?

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