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Is Israel a step away from showing the presence of a nuclear “suitcase”?

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October 16-17 was visited by Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu (along with a departmental delegation) to Israel. The program of meetings and negotiations includes consultations with the head of the Israeli Defense Ministry, Avigdor Lieberman, representatives of the Israeli armed forces, as well as extensive negotiations with the head of the Israeli government, Benjamin Netanyahu.


From official reports and press releases:
At the meeting (with the Israeli Prime Minister) there was an exchange of views on military and military-technical cooperation, as well as global and regional security issues. Sergei Shoigu and Benjamin Netanyahu expressed confidence that the meetings held on Israeli soil would give additional impetus to the development of Russian-Israeli cooperation. The head of the Russian Ministry of Defense and the Israeli Prime Minister noted that our countries are brought together by the rejection of anti-Semitism and other manifestations of xenophobia and ethnic strife.


From the final joint statement of Sergei Shoigu and Benjamin Netanyahu:
Our countries are against falsification stories, revising the outcome of the Second World War, attempts to glorify the minions of fascism, diminish the decisive contribution of the Soviet Union to the victory over Nazi Germany.


Is Israel a step away from showing the presence of a nuclear “suitcase”?


Sergei Shoigu visited the Yad Vashem Museum and welcomed the law passed in Israel on giving 9 May official holiday status.

Official statistics, as usual, is dry, and in such cases it is not customary to go out to the public with statements that sounded at least some real concrete specifics about what exactly is meant by "cooperation in the military and military-technical spheres" Moscow and Jerusalem.

Clearly, it was about Syria. Understandably, talked about security issues in the Middle East. But it is precisely the details that worry the audience interested in the real accession of peace in the Middle East land both in Russia and in Israel.

As soon as the visit of Sergei Shoigu to Israel was over, publications appeared in a number of Middle Eastern media in which the main details of negotiations between representatives of the Russian delegation and Israeli partners were announced. Thus, the Arabic-language Al-Shark al-Ausat publishes the most substantive material, which states that the discussion of the Syrian issue was reduced to taking into account the concerns of the Israeli authorities about the activity of Hezbollah and the Iranian Revolutionary Guards. Israel’s attitude to one and another structure is well known. Adding fuel to the fire is the fact that the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps has been recognized in the United States just a few days ago.

The Israeli side, according to the publications in the aforementioned and some other media, has informed Sergei Shoigu that she is ready to continue attacking Syrian territory if Hezbollah and the IRGC continue to move closer to Israeli borders. At the same time, in Israel, the issue of belonging to the Golan Heights is considered finally resolved and, speaking of their borders, they have in mind the line that is drawn on this territory by Israel itself.

So here. The Israeli proposal boils down to the following: no strikes on the territory of the SAR in exchange for the fact that the buffer zone, in which there is no Hezbollah and the IRGC, will be increased to 40 km - from the Syrian side. Why exactly 40 km? The main reason for the weapons mentioned paramilitary structures. Four dozen kilometers of the buffer can become a certain protection “in range” from the use of, for example, multiple rocket launcher systems or unguided rockets.

The media stated that Sergei Shoigu allegedly did not accept the proposal in this form, but offered the option of increasing the buffer zone from five to 10-15 km. It seems like they decided on that. Sergey Kuzhugetovich went back to Moscow.

Immediately after the minister returned to Russia, the already mentioned head of the Israeli Cabinet, Benjamin Netanyahu, phoned the President of the Russian Federation. The Kremlin’s press service reported that Israeli partners had raised the issue of the so-called Iranian nuclear program, the consequences of the Kurdish referendum in Iraq and the settlement issues in Syria.

All of these topics have a common component. And here it is Iran. The fact is that recently there has been a clear warming of Iraqi-Iranian relations. Despite the fact that Iraqi troops are part of the American coalition, this does not prevent them from conducting military maneuvers jointly with Iranian units. Moreover, according to Kurdish media reports, the units of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps carried out simultaneous advancements with Iraqi troops towards Kirkuk. As soon as Kirkuk was “taken”, Kurdish sources said that part of the oil fields near this city came under the control of the IRGC.

For obvious reasons, the Israeli leadership, to put it mildly, is thrilling to watch how the forces associated with the country, which in the region regards as its almost primary enemy, are clearly strengthening their positions in the states located one way or another in the neighborhood. In Lebanon, Hezbollah "(According to the statements of Israel itself) actually merged with the regular army, in Syria it, together with the IRGC, occupies more and more territories (exempts from ISIL (banned in the Russian Federation)), in Iraqi Kurdistan the IRGC takes control of the oil fields, Iran itself can so get out of the "nuclear" deal after verbal US president Donald Trump exercises. And then there is Turkey, whose president announced that the Kurdish referendum was the work of supposedly Israeli security services.

In general, people in Israel are smart, and therefore they understand that if things develop in the manner in which it is developing now, then Israel will have to get from its long closet that very nuclear bomb that it hides from everyone. Get and show ... And, by and large, Israel understands that the refusal to negotiate can lead to really bad consequences. Trump's hope is, frankly, not the greatest. He increasingly lives in the monetary dimension, and in order to prove something, it is necessary to translate “from fingers” from shekels into dollars and back. And for translation, by and large, Israel does not have much time, especially when you consider that Israel itself is itself Iran, Hezbollah and the IRGC is cruel.

Bombing to the right and left, covering the territory of the same Syria, as happened a few hours before the visit of Sergei Shoigu to Israel, is also somehow doubtful when referring to the fact that Israel’s friends in the region will definitely not add.

That is why the exit is searched for the compromise. Israel wants to receive guarantees that it will not be necessary to uncover and demonstrate to the city and the world its hidden nuclear potential in the sands. Who can give such guarantees? At the very least, who can set up work to find a broad compromise in the region? Well, not the United States, for whom the very concept of “sober diplomacy” ceased to exist as early as the year of the collapse of the Soviet Union, as unnecessary to agree with anyone about anything. But Russia is quite an option. Troika "Russia, Turkey, Iran" in Syria are already working and very successfully. With Qatar, relations with Russia began to warm up very sharply after the obstruction of Qatar by a number of Islamic states and the desire of the Qatari authorities to enlist Russian support. Kings of Jordan and Saudi Arabia visited Moscow. Assad, who “must leave, but does not leave,” with the support of the Russian Federation, is successfully working to return civilian life to the country.

And what if Israel to join the process? Having rejected all kinds of “this is not in the interests”, “we don’t talk to the terrorist states”, “point one: Israel is right, and if it’s not right, see point one” and so on and so forth.

In general, a broad coalition - and what? but what if...

And if the coalition, then against whom then fight in the region? So the point is that if the coalition is real, then there will be no fight against anyone and there’s no need ...

You say: utopia? .. But after all, the appearance of Israel itself on the world map was once considered utopia. And if you remember, thanks to whom the “historical” utopia suddenly became a reality ... In Israel, by the way, they perfectly remember.
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  1. Knowing
    Knowing 19 October 2017 06: 18 New
    +3
    Well, if “Paragraph one: Israel is right, and if not right, see paragraph one” , then Russia has a nuclear “chumadan” - it’s more painful ... And the children of Moses waving them from those “outside the puddle” apparently decided to borrow a habit, but in vain ... Oh, it seems to me that it’s not difficult to cover the territory of Israel will make up.
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 19 October 2017 06: 53 New
      +1
      The Israeli proposal boils down to the following: no strikes on the territory of the SAR in exchange for the fact that the buffer zone, in which there is no Hezbollah and the IRGC, will be increased to 40 km from the Syrian side. Why exactly 40 km?
      and Schaub Moses dragged the Jews through the wilderness for another 40 years ...
      1. Knowing
        Knowing 19 October 2017 07: 20 New
        +1
        Quote: Dead Day
        and Schaub Moses dragged the Jews through the wilderness for another 40 years ...

        So after all, on the Planet Earth, that Moses began to take it away ...
        1. NIKNN
          NIKNN 19 October 2017 11: 20 New
          +2
          Quote: Knowing
          Quote: Dead Day
          and Schaub Moses dragged the Jews through the wilderness for another 40 years ...

          So after all, on the Planet Earth, that Moses began to take it away ...

          No guys, didn’t you understand? ...
          At the same time, in Israel, the issue of belonging to the Golan Heights is considered finally resolved and, speaking of their borders, they mean the line drawn on this territory by Israel itself.
          And that 40km zone, on the same grounds, chopped off ... what
      2. andj61
        andj61 19 October 2017 09: 00 New
        +4
        Quote: Dead Day
        The Israeli proposal boils down to the following: no strikes on the territory of the SAR in exchange for the fact that the buffer zone, in which there is no Hezbollah and the IRGC, will be increased to 40 km from the Syrian side. Why exactly 40 km?
        and Schaub Moses dragged the Jews through the wilderness for another 40 years ...

        Yes, it’s just that the fighters of Hesbollah and the IRGC have a traditional national fun: prove your valor - shell Israel! bully And you don’t have to get anywhere at all - just get into the territory. And no matter how much Moses leads the Jews through the wilderness, this national fun cannot change! hi
        1. NIKNN
          NIKNN 19 October 2017 11: 23 New
          +7
          Quote: andj61
          Yes, it’s just that the fighters of Hesbollah and the IRGC have a traditional national fun: prove your valor - shell Israel!

          Anecdote in the topic:
          A Jew comes to the synagogue and says:
          - Rebbe, I have sinned, I fucked my wife in the ass. Is this a big sin?
          - Big! - says the Rebbe.
          “How can I redeem him?”
          - Only one means: you take a gun, you go to the Arab-Israeli
          border and kill one Arab - sin is immediately written off.
          Next week this Jew comes again:
          - Rebbe, I again sinned, I again took my wife anal.
          “Well, why did you come to me?” Go to the border, kill the Arab - sin
          will be automatically charged.
          A couple of months have passed. The wife of that Jew comes to the Rebbe and asks:
          - Tell me, Rebbe, why did you decide to settle
          Arab-Israeli conflict through my ass?
      3. Strategy
        Strategy 19 October 2017 20: 25 New
        +2
        As experience shows, starting from biblical times, these Christ sellers, even though they are dragging through the desert for 400 years, will still worship the golden calf. This is their god.
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          1. SMP
            SMP 21 October 2017 19: 22 New
            0
            For those who are still “on an armored car.” “Christ sellers” are Russians. Their "Russian Orthodox Church" is a branch of Satanists in the service of the "KGB", who never opened the Bible, which is, in fact, an inaccurate translation of the Torah. So "worship of the golden calf" is the prerogative of Putinoid Russians. By the way, today in Russia there is not a single commandment that both the country's leadership and the Russians do not violate.


            Krasava ..... I made a screen from your comment ...
            And then they ask stupid questions here and why you don’t like Jews, they also call him anti-sysmits.
    2. Lex.
      Lex. 19 October 2017 15: 27 New
      +3
      You can chat whatever you want in Russia, there are more important problems, Ukraine, for example, the United States that crap Russia, unlike Israel
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        1. Shahno
          Shahno 19 October 2017 20: 42 New
          +2
          Nothing that Christ said about his tribe ..... He wanted to be better than us all. And this is the condemnation of the ancestors .... "Hypocrites."
          1. Strategy
            Strategy 20 October 2017 20: 21 New
            +1
            And what did he say about the ancestors of known nationality who beat the prophets? And He did not want to be better than all of us, He wanted us to become better by confessing faith in Him.
        2. Lord
          Lord 20 October 2017 04: 43 New
          +1
          Quote: Strategia
          frantic

          I did not know that Nazi propaganda was being missed on the resource. Is this a criminal article in the Russian Federation? I am wrong?
          1. Strategy
            Strategy 20 October 2017 20: 14 New
            0
            Parhaty is not a nation. Do not confuse them with the Jews. Parhaty are train sellers. Judging by your lively response, you understand who are those parrhats.
            1. Lord
              Lord 20 October 2017 21: 10 New
              0
              Quote: Strategia
              Judging by your lively response, you understand who are those parrhats.

              I understand who the Nazis are. I smell it, it smells like a Nazi, and a criminal article.
              1. Strategy
                Strategy 22 October 2017 18: 00 New
                0
                How to bring Christ-sellers to clean water is the article. And how Russian woof..m to water - it's welcome! You are a Zionist; read the definition of this term.
          2. SMP
            SMP 21 October 2017 19: 30 New
            0
            I did not know that Nazi propaganda was being missed on the resource. Is this a criminal article in the Russian Federation? I am wrong?


            And how is Nazism different from nationalism ?, and racism from Zionism?

            israel631 Today, 11:59 ↑
            For those who are still “on an armored car.” “Christ sellers” are Russians. Their "Russian Orthodox Church" is a branch of Satanists in the service of the "KGB", who never opened the Bible, which is, in fact, an inaccurate translation of the Torah. So "worship of the golden calf" is the prerogative of Putinoid Russians. By the way, today in Russia there is not a single commandment that both the country's leadership and the Russians do not violate.


            And yes, with a small letter .. you rights.
            today in Russia there is not a single commandmentwhich do not violate ................................,so the Russians.


            your nickname Lord and corresponds to the desire of Adolf Hitler LOVE all over the world, an old phrase about Nazism according to your nickname fool
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              1. SMP
                SMP 21 October 2017 19: 33 New
                0
                You need to be treated for all sorts of nonsense; I'm an atheist, among other things, I don’t believe all this nonsense


                But I don’t believe in the presence of nuclear weapons in Israel, so what?

                Is Israel a step away from showing the presence of a nuclear “suitcase”?
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        1. Macross
          Macross 21 October 2017 12: 49 New
          +1
          Another nonsense sucked from a finger?
        2. Dart2027
          Dart2027 21 October 2017 14: 35 New
          0
          Quote: israel631
          Ukraine is indeed a "big problem of Russia, leading to complete collapse and collapse

          anti-Russian coalition, which the United States tried to put together.
          Quote: israel631
          His treacherous attack on a neighboring, independent country
          which is still looking for the RF Armed Forces on its territory, but cannot find in any way.
          Quote: israel631
          60% of Russia will be transferred to foreign firms
          which something is not visible.
          Quote: israel631
          United Russia gang led by Putin
          calmly restores order, slowly but surely.
        3. aiden
          aiden 22 October 2017 03: 32 New
          0
          It is with such elevations that you will generate anti-Semitism. How many problems your country brought on the planet. Why is Israel getting away with it? Why are all energy and financial resources controlled by Jews? Throw you away from these places and your Israel as a state will cease to exist. Yes, you are the main fascists. And stop pouring slop on the Russian Federation in the Russian forum. I'm not sitting in your Jewish forums. So what are you all bothering about here. Specially, what would throw their vysery? Or are you smeared with honey?
  2. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 19 October 2017 06: 48 New
    +5
    Eeee, zhulmane, open the pile of chumadan, see the budem angry
    Shaitane mana smile
  3. Professor
    Professor 19 October 2017 06: 51 New
    +9
    Not a day without news about Israel. laughing
    1.
    Thus, the Arabic-language Al-Sharq al-Ausat publishes the most substantive material, which states that the discussion of Syrian issues has been reduced to taking into account the concerns of the Israeli authorities regarding the activity of Hezbollah and the Iranian Corps of the Islamic Revolutionary Guards.

    How does an Arab newspaper know what they said behind closed doors in Jerusalem?

    2.
    So here. The Israeli proposal boils down to the following: no strikes on the territory of the SAR in exchange for the fact that the buffer zone, in which there is no Hezbollah and the IRGC, will be increased to 40 km from the Syrian side.

    The author, Lieberman yesterday officially denied this nonsense.

    3.
    In general, people in Israel are smart, and therefore understand that if the business develops in the direction in which it is developing now, then Israel will have to get the very same nuclear bomb from its distant closet that it hides from everyone.

    From what did the author come to such conclusions? Where is the logic?

    4.
    And by and large, Israel does not have much time for translation, especially when you consider that Israel itself is cruelly screwing itself up with Iran, Hezbollah and the IRGC.

    Well, yes, it does. Those white and fluffy never threaten to wipe Israel off the face of the earth and Israel simply “winds itself”. request

    5.
    Bombing to the right and left, covering the territory of the same Syria, as happened a few hours before the visit of Sergei Shoigu to Israel, is also somehow doubtful when referring to the fact that Israel’s friends in the region will definitely not add.

    As you know, friends in politics do not exist. There are interests. Our interests are not to touch us. Now the Syrian battery will not touch us. By the way, there are already satellite images “before” and “after”. I am sure that the message has reached the ophthalmologist.

    6.
    You say: utopia? .. But after all, the appearance of Israel itself on the world map was once considered utopia. And if you remember, thanks to whom the “historical” utopia suddenly became a reality ... In Israel, by the way, they perfectly remember.

    Of course, they remember in Israel thanks to whom Israel, and not the EAO, became a reality. Thanks to these people. And only to them.

    The article is a minus. negative
    1. Volodin
      19 October 2017 07: 10 New
      +9
      Quote: Professor
      In general, people in Israel are smart ...

      What did the author come to such conclusions from?


      So let's write it down: the stupid are also in order ...
      1. Professor
        Professor 19 October 2017 07: 23 New
        +7
        Quote: Volodin
        Quote: Professor
        In general, people in Israel are smart ...

        What did the author come to such conclusions from?


        So let's write it down: the stupid are also in order ...

        Why juggle it? Dear author, whose work we undoubtedly respect, told fantastic stories about some zones in 15 and 40 km and immediately after them jumped to the nuclear weapons. I advised the author to listen to the preconference of Bibi with Shoigu. There, Bibi quite intelligibly (what, what, and he knows how to speak) says that Iran will be able to acquire nuclear weapons through 8-10 for years and this is in case Iran does not interfere. I repeat. Where is the logic? As a respected author, it has been concluded that "Israel will have to get from its distant closet the very same nuclear bomb that it hides from everyone"?

        PS
        If Israel has nuclear weapons, then he will get it out of the closet not to swing, but to use it quickly. They say that even when Moshe Dayan was sure of the impending catastrophe in the 1973 year, then no one waved the supposedly nuclear weapons of the Zionists.
    2. Knowing
      Knowing 19 October 2017 07: 27 New
      +7
      Not a day without news about Israel - from the Professor ... recourse Regarding the article, yes, the children of Moses are more cunning than the Turks and more obsessive than ukrov, and of course subjectively, SHAS THINK:.... laughing So you decide there with ukrams, and .. Who will whom something ancient. repeat Trepogony.

    3. Professor
      Professor 19 October 2017 08: 10 New
      +4
      Quote: Professor
      By the way, there are already satellite images “before” and “after”. I am sure that the message has reached the ophthalmologist.

      1. corporal
        corporal 19 October 2017 09: 08 New
        +1
        Quote: Professor
        By the way, there are already satellite images "before" and "after"

        Something did not understand anything in the photo, at the top is the insert "before" or "after"?
        =========================================
        An exchange of views on issues of military and military-technical cooperation took place

        AFAR for dryers sell? winked
        1. Professor
          Professor 19 October 2017 09: 17 New
          +6
          Quote: Corporal
          Something did not understand anything in the photo, at the top is the insert "before" or "after"?

          In my photo, "both after." It can be seen that the radar that the Syrians had already restored was bombed.

          Quote: Corporal
          AFAR for dryers sell?

          We give back for free. For good people it’s not a pity. wink
          1. corporal
            corporal 19 October 2017 09: 34 New
            +2
            Quote: Professor
            We give back for free. For good people it’s not a pity. wink

            laughing
            Then it is possible in the appendage "Windbreaker", CARDOM, and soiled LCD? repeat
            1. Beitar
              Beitar 19 October 2017 10: 37 New
              +4
              How would we get all this in full, for starters.
            2. Professor
              Professor 19 October 2017 10: 45 New
              +6
              Quote: Corporal
              Then it is possible in the appendage "Windbreaker", CARDOM, and soiled LCD?

              Easy. But why do you need all this? Do you have all your own lack of analogues in the world? wink
              1. corporal
                corporal 19 October 2017 10: 52 New
                +4
                Quote: Professor
                Do you have all your own lack of analogues in the world?

                That's for sure... recourse
    4. Akuzenka
      Akuzenka 19 October 2017 11: 46 New
      +6
      Who would doubt that the Jewish state remembers good. We know. Does not remember. And we have already begun to forget, some more consultations and threats from the Jewish state, we will completely forget. And there, you see, and the Americans will forget about you. They will cease to give weapons for free. Here it will be fun for you. Immediately start to "remember" if you have time.
      Always treated the Jewish state with respect, but under the influence of propaganda of Jewish commentators, he changed his mind. Thank you for opening your eyes to the real mood of your Jewish state. At least some benefit came out of you.
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        1. badens1111
          badens1111 19 October 2017 16: 11 New
          +4
          Quote: israel631
          Dear opponent. For many years, since the days of the USSR, I treated Russia with respect. Until 2008

          We turn the words - Dear Opponent. For many years, since the days of the USSR, I treated Israel with respect. Until 2008 The regiment didn’t see Israeli weapons and Israeli advisers in the Georgian army, which killed our peacekeepers.
          Then you should be silent.
          Residents of Russia are far from stupid people, they perfectly understand everything good, but they never forget everything bad, remember this.
          And yet, in the world of advanced technologies, Russia occupies one of the leading places, both in science and in defense. Therefore, in Space, for example, we are ahead of everyone, but to you there ... well, in general, you can’t.

          Those who mistakenly believe that today it is possible to achieve something with a huge crowd with Galil and Merkavi to achieve something in the BV are mistaken, they are mistaken.

          Modern technologies provide an opportunity for people to achieve victory over a significantly superior enemy, without losses. Inflicting losses on a high-tech adversary, who is taking revenge on defenseless civilians, that is, Israel and the United States, as we see from the heap of examples of the present.

          On the issue of veiled threats against our state, you can puff out your cheeks as much as you like and scream all over the world about your power and invincibility, but the fact remains that not Russia is running with a bow to Israel, but Israel to Putin, in an attempt to win for itself at least something in the process of reformatting the world, in particular in BV.
          "Thus, today, bombing is a trade for Israel. The Jewish military is creating a thing for their politicians that the latter can try to exchange for participation in the peace process."
          It is beneficial for Moscow to wait until Israel pushes itself into a trap and clashes with the combined forces of Syria, Iran, Iraq and Lebanon, not counting pro-Iranian armed groups. It is enough to wait until the Arabs beat off some territories (in particular, the Golan), and you can act as a peacemaker. In this case, it is Russia that Israel will owe its salvation, as Syria already owes. Arabs will have to be satisfied with the release of part of the occupied territories. Jerusalem will continue as a counterbalance to the sharply increasing Tehran.
          And the strength of Moscow’s position in the Middle East will increase - Russia will become two legs there as a sought-after fair arbitrator.
          https://cont.ws/@ishchenko/743479
          In general, it's time for you to understand.
          Russia is interested in preserving Israel.
          Therefore, the visit of Shoigu is so important for them, especially in anticipation of the decommissioning of the instrument.
          Globalists do not need Israel and they are ready to equate them with the mafia and without making any difference between them - to exterminate.
          Russia is interested in using Israel for its own purposes, is ready to intercept this instrument and use it against the old master in confronting it.
          https://cont.ws/@slavikapple/742492
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 19 October 2017 18: 20 New
            0
            the moment Israel drives itself into a trap and clashes with the combined forces of Syria, Iran, Iraq and Lebanon, not counting pro-Iranian armed groups.

            Now they will howl when Israel makes them again. And the quality of Russian weapons will be blamed for everything. As always.
            1. badens1111
              badens1111 19 October 2017 18: 45 New
              0
              Quote: Krasnodar
              Here they will howl when Israel makes them again

              Everything may be so. And it may not be so at all. God forbid, the Connected Gang of Aggressors to disentangle what they have already welded ... so that they may even have no time to support their ally with an air bridge, and there the grandmother said in two how many hold out.
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 20 October 2017 00: 30 New
                +1
                If the States are not up to the air bridge to Israel, the Jews will not care about the "proportion of the force used" against the aggressor countries. And then someone will immediately and very quickly offer them both a free air bridge, and free deliveries of weapons for "seventy" years ahead and financing of the defense budget ... All this is the passed stage - 67-73 years.
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                1. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 20 October 2017 18: 01 New
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                  Quote: israel631
                  Russia will never again disentangle the consequences of war crimes against other countries

                  What are these? More in detail, please?
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                    1. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 20 October 2017 21: 59 New
                      +2
                      Quote: israel631
                      Let's start with Chechnya.
                      This is when the Wahhabi terrorists tried to build a terrorist state in the Caucasus, which is part of Russia? By the way, Israel did not support them.
                      Quote: israel631
                      war in Syria
                      This is when the Russian Aerospace Forces defeated ISIS-DAISH and others like them?
                      No need to read how an Israeli citizen protects terrorists hiding behind Islam - that's cool.
                      Quote: israel631
                      Next is the war in Georgia
                      This is when Georgia attacked South Ossetia?
                      Quote: israel631
                      capture of the Ukrainian Crimea
                      Who ran to Russia from the Nazis?
                      Quote: israel631
                      occupation of Lugansk and Donetsk regions of Ukraine
                      How many troops are there looking for Russia? Well, where are they?

                      Quote: israel631
                      The list can be extended.
                      For example:
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          2. Aspid 57
            Aspid 57 19 October 2017 20: 12 New
            +4
            You need to be a big dreamer to predict some kind of victory over Israel! Look at the tank and air fleets on the wiki and do not forget to compare with Britain, France, Germany .. Discover a lot of interesting things!))))
            1. badens1111
              badens1111 19 October 2017 20: 15 New
              0
              Quote: Aspid 57
              You need to be a big dreamer to predict some kind of victory over Israel!

              One must be very, very optimistic, one would not have to understand, all the "power" of Israel, blown up, without the support and direct assistance of the United States, is not so great.
              And if, hypothetically, the Arabs ever agree, and the United States for one reason or another decides not to provide massive assistance, it will remain your client to commit another act of collective suicide.
              Maybe hinted at this by the Amer special services and very authoritative uncles in the United States?
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            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 20 October 2017 18: 20 New
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              Now in brief about the real state of affairs in world politics, which absolutely does not coincide with the manuals and delirium
              Quote: israel631
              We do not make space launches, just like you. but for various reasons
              We do not produce? Oh really?
              Quote: israel631
              Your efforts on obsolete equipment and backward technologies go to the smarck, as your last launch showed
              Are you talking about this? https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/99195/
              Quote: israel631
              And thanks to our advanced technology, our American partners have designed and launched a reusable ship
              In fact, such ships were built in the last century.
              Quote: israel631
              the praised air defense systems "s400" did not notice Israeli aircraft
              Which no one was going to shoot down, because they defended only the bases of the Russian Federation, and not all of Syria. By the way, how is the vaunted F-35 doing, which goes astray by an ordinary bird? Interesting discussion https://nkfedor.livejournal.com/505899.html
              Quote: israel631
              "Bargained" Shoigu, or rather, begged
              And you joyfully went to meet ... Why?
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                1. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 20 October 2017 22: 02 New
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                  Quote: israel631
                  from the board of the Kuzi stolen from Ukraine
                  Actually, the whole of Ukraine is the territory stolen from Russia.
                  Quote: israel631
                  true that the "vaunted F35" live
                  That is, an ordinary dove for them as an air defense missile.
                  Quote: israel631
                  No one in the world has analogues of such advanced aviation
                  How many planes crashed on American aircraft carriers?
                  Quote: israel631
                  held, by the way, in Israel, we have achieved the result we need
                  Two and a half times moderate appetites?
            2. SMP
              SMP 21 October 2017 19: 51 New
              0
              We have other ways and means of influence that do not cause global ills.


              Not anymore, and never will be, nor any other ways,
              only you don’t know about it.

              and our country, unlike Putin's Russia, has something to lose
              lost Registered October 19, 2017 15:17
              Get lost in Hebrew forever and don’t trash our tongue with your broomstick.
        2. Dart2027
          Dart2027 19 October 2017 19: 58 New
          +1
          Quote: israel631
          Until 2008 year.

          I mean, when, with a “crowd with three rulers in hand”, an army prepared by instructors from the USA and Israel was defeated in a couple of days?
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            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 20 October 2017 17: 59 New
              0
              Quote: israel631
              Which army and in which country?

              Georgian Trying to invade South Ossetia and getting tough.
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYteeDbLffQ посмотрите, послушайте.
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                1. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 20 October 2017 22: 06 New
                  0
                  Quote: israel631
                  But today, residents of South Ossetia
                  gradually integrating into Russia and somehow not in a hurry to Georgia.
                  Quote: israel631
                  And this is not the only example. Take for example
                  freed from the occupation of Bandera Crimea.
                  https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/99025/ https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/97931/
                  https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/97772/ https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/97302/
        3. Cyrus
          Cyrus 19 October 2017 20: 53 New
          +1
          Stop playing computer games, otherwise the reality will greatly upset you.)
      2. Beitar
        Beitar 19 October 2017 21: 48 New
        +2
        Quote: AKuzenka
        Who would doubt that the Jewish state remembers good. We know. Does not remember.

        https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%B0%D0%BC%
        D1%8F%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA_%D0%9F%D0%BE%D0%B1%
        D0%B5%D0%B4%D1%8B_(%D0%9D%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BD
        % D0% B8% D1% 8F)
        Quote: AKuzenka
        And there, you see, and the Americans will forget about you.

        And you Russians have forgotten about the Russians, this is really grief!
        Quote: AKuzenka
        Always treated the Jewish state with respect,

        This is how it usually starts an ordinary anti-simite exhaust .... predictable by 172% .... heh
      3. SMP
        SMP 21 October 2017 19: 45 New
        0
        Yes, under the influence of propaganda of Jewish commentators, he changed his mind. Thank you for opening your eyes to the real mood of your Jewish state.


        I can add the truth .. I have been collecting a collection since May 9, 2017, but these two screenshots with the opinion of the commentator and the opinion of another Israeli really show the difference in mentality, I really want to put the ball in the form of the letter E, as in a joke.

    5. Dead duck
      Dead duck 19 October 2017 11: 58 New
      12
      Quote: Professor
      Not a day without news about Israel

      "Abram is interested in a neighbor:
      - Rabinovich! I heard you read anti-Semitic newspapers!
      - Well, yes, I read.
      - How can you! You are a Jew!
      - And it’s very simple. At first I read Jewish newspapers. There is such a depression, I tell you! Everyone wants to exterminate the Jews, all around anti-Semitism, oppression, problems, everyone cries ...
      I literally could not sleep!
      And now I read the anti-Semitic press - and what do you think? Solid positive!
      Jews rule the world, they have captured everything, they are the richest, they decide everything everywhere! "
  4. svp67
    svp67 19 October 2017 07: 47 New
    +3
    Is Israel a step away from showing the presence of a nuclear “suitcase”?
    And let it show ... let's look at the reaction of all the world countries, since in this case Israel will stand on the same level with the DPRK .... Well, well ... And who believes that Israel will show it?
  5. Victor_B
    Victor_B 19 October 2017 09: 04 New
    +1
    Poor, poor Jewish brothers ...
    How hard they have to.
    Well this is how much "gas" you need to burn to bomb all around.
    (I am looking for a feeling of pity in myself .... I can not find)
  6. Antianglosax
    Antianglosax 19 October 2017 10: 01 New
    +5
    Yes, let them show, we’ll stare what the Jews have in store! laughing
    There are a lot of sayings and proverbs that Jews would do well to memorize, for example:
    1. Take it on your own, so as not to fall when walking.
    2. Not a hat for Senka.
    Etc. etc.
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      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 20 October 2017 22: 07 New
        +1
        Quote: israel631
        the only original state in the world whose inhabitants know their native Russian language much worse than foreigners

        Will the source be?
  7. iouris
    iouris 19 October 2017 11: 29 New
    +2
    "And this is not my suitcase ..."
    Firstly, Shoigu traveled to Israel, and not vice versa, so it’s not very clear what the negotiations are about. Secondly, since sanctions are imposed against Iran, sanctions can also be imposed against Israel. Thirdly, the “Islamic nuclear bomb”, it seems, exists, i.e. they didn’t let Gin get out of the bottle and push it back, and in the long run everyone will have small, but their own, “nuclear suitcases” (European, Greater Poland, Bandera, etc.). How this will end is understandable, but it seems that Israel will begin.
    Concerning "utopias". The implementation of the utopia "Israel" naturally led to attempts to implement other anti-utopias, for example, ISIS, and Ukraine. The next utopian project will be built around the thermonuclear bomb from the very beginning.
    1. Akuzenka
      Akuzenka 19 October 2017 11: 53 New
      +1
      Here, everything is clear from general statements. The Jewish state wants not to be extreme in the near and medium term. Nevertheless, they remember who heals the barmalei and bombes those who fight with them. And the fact that they did not agree is also understandable, since some general statements about all the good, against all the bad. And the mythical "vigorous Chumadanchik" of the Jewish state is mythical. No one saw him. Bluffing means. And if not a bluff, then a violation of the NPT by Western countries. If it’s not a bluff, then you can only trade with Western countries, but not cooperate in politics, and if you cooperate, then only by “prepayment”.
      1. iouris
        iouris 19 October 2017 11: 59 New
        0
        Quote: AKuzenka
        it is only possible to trade with Western countries, but not to cooperate in politics, and if to cooperate, then only by “prepayment”.

        Is this a dream or are there real reasons for such behavior of the Russian Federation in relations with the colonialists?
  8. steelmaker
    steelmaker 19 October 2017 12: 15 New
    +1
    Before the arrival of S. Shoigu, Israel attacked Syria's S-200. Demonstratively! Honestly, S. Shoigu disappointed me. It is visible only E. Primakov could defiantly show the character when they spit on the interests of Russia. I do not think that it is possible to agree with Israel, as well as with Turkey. They’ll hit him in the back anyway.
  9. 72jora72
    72jora72 19 October 2017 12: 59 New
    +1
    Quote: Professor
    If Israel has nuclear weapons, then he will get it out of the closet not to swing, but to use it quickly.
    I am afraid that this will be the beginning of the end of Israel as a state ......... and maybe as a territory.
  10. vlad007
    vlad007 19 October 2017 13: 41 New
    +1
    The paradox of the situation is this: the worse things are in the Middle East, the more Russia’s participation in resolving conflicts is required and, as a result, Russia's international prestige grows.
    1. iouris
      iouris 19 October 2017 13: 49 New
      0
      Quote: vlad007
      the worse things are in the Middle East

      It is known, after all: that what is useful to the Russian, then to the German is death. That's just everyone has their own criteria, so the question is: for whom is it worse?
    2. Lord
      Lord 20 October 2017 04: 55 New
      0
      Quote: vlad007
      The paradox of the situation is this: the worse things are in the Middle East, the more Russia’s participation in resolving conflicts is required and, as a result, Russia's international prestige grows.

      Are you hinting that it is beneficial for Russia to maintain instability in the BV and that it can have a hand in this?
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        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 20 October 2017 18: 21 New
          +1
          Quote: israel631
          such wholehearted respect for the whole world

          Total? And when was the referendum on this?
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            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 20 October 2017 22: 09 New
              +1
              Quote: israel631
              Was it really a “referendum”?
              That is, there was no referendum, and all this is exclusively your imagination?
  11. Zina389
    Zina389 19 October 2017 14: 28 New
    +4
    Zones, kilometers, all this does not matter. The main question was whether Russia would allow Iran to occupy Syria, as Syria had occupied Lebanon at one time. If so, then there will be a war like the 60s and 70s. So far, the Foreign Ministry has said that foreign troops must leave Syria at the end of the conflict. Since while everything is happening the other way around, the troops of Turkey and Iran are just arriving, Israel is trying to agree on these issues with Russia, and plan B is being prepared as in the 60s. This plan, by the way, does not threaten Russian bases, it’s just to cleanse the territory of the next bearded battles, as Lebanon was cleared of the PLO, and the remaining Iranian forces will go home in an organized manner, like the Syrians in the 80s. Moreover, nuclear weapons are not clear.
    1. iouris
      iouris 19 October 2017 15: 20 New
      0
      Quote: Zina389
      Israel is trying to agree on these issues with Russia

      Israel should try to come to an agreement on these issues even with Iran. There is no reason for the Russian Federation to join the anti-Iranian coalition. And at what stage are the negotiations on the repatriation of Jews back to Russia?
      1. Tramp1812
        Tramp1812 19 October 2017 15: 54 New
        +6
        It’s something, and Jews have never suffered from sadomasochism. Therefore, the road to Israel from Russia is a road with extremely one-way traffic. On the other hand, you can’t imagine how many hundreds of thousands of ethnic Slavs are trying to get into Israel at least a carcass, even a scarecrow. It is understandable that Israel is thriving. As in that advertisement: unlike others. Today, for example, the Knesset introduced a bill to increase the minimum, I emphasize the minimum monthly wage to 1500 dollars. In Russia, the minimum wage is more? If not a secret, much?
        1. Professor
          Professor 19 October 2017 16: 47 New
          +4
          Quote: Rogue1812
          Today, for example, the Knesset introduced a bill to increase the minimum, I emphasize the minimum monthly wage to 1500 dollars.

          I apologize for interfering in your dispute, but in fairness it should be noted that the salary in Israel is incommensurably higher, but also prices are higher. On the other hand, even at high prices, pensioners live modestly, but with dignity.
          1. Tramp1812
            Tramp1812 19 October 2017 17: 02 New
            +4
            The calculation of the welfare level is determined by dividing the wage by the value of a particular product. After that, it is calculated how many units (kilogram) of a particular product can be bought for a monthly salary. Even if the prices in Israel are higher (unmeasurable, agree not a reference point ) Twice, then the average salary is -6 times. And the outflow of citizens of the Russian Federation abroad is proof of this.
      2. Zina389
        Zina389 19 October 2017 16: 20 New
        +5
        If there was nothing to talk about, there would be no meeting with the Israelis. And it will be possible to agree with Iran on the results of hostilities, this state has repeatedly stated its intention to destroy Israel.
  12. high
    high 19 October 2017 17: 25 New
    +2
    [quote = iouris] [quote = Zina389]. And at what stage are the negotiations on the repatriation of Jews back to Russia? [/ Quote]

    Alas, per capita GDP in Israel is 36.524 dollars (24th place), and in Russia 8.664 dollars (72nd place) .... in Iran, 5.027 dollars (97th place)
    http://investorschool.ru/rejting-stran-po-vvp-na-
    dushu-naseleniya-2017
  13. shahor
    shahor 19 October 2017 18: 15 New
    +3
    And by the way, the Russians are being treated by the crowd in Israel - and not vice versa
    1. LAWNER
      LAWNER 19 October 2017 20: 24 New
      0
      1) about treatment abroad ... Search the network for the names of prosecutors, judges, and journalists who made a fuss when our doctors did an organ transplant and were arrested near the operating table. As a result, the doctors went to operate abroad, the prosecutors are also on the wanted list !
      2) the level of prosperity in Israel ...... If EVERYONE can buy food there 6-10 times more than the Russians, then why then the mole? To eat more, but officially?
      3) hundreds of thousands of ethnic Slavs want to Israel)))) .... 140 million population of Russia (of all nationalities) If these hundreds of thousands leave, then the Tatars will ask for the next ????
      4) Deliver your nuclear suitcase (I’m bigger and thicker) ... you can swing a nuclear suitcase only in the territory of your country, in our nuclear 21st century, repeat the history of Japan, then you will condemn yourself to death. Everyone will beat, one of anger, others because of fear.
      1. Beitar
        Beitar 19 October 2017 21: 59 New
        +3
        Quote: LAWNER
        . As a result, the doctors left to operate abroad,

        In order to get to Israel, you need to be a Jew, or "the closest relative," and in Israel to get a doctor’s license the first time ... I don’t have such lucky ones.
  14. Fedya2017
    Fedya2017 19 October 2017 22: 00 New
    +2
    What will happen - we'll see ... But the fact that the Kremlin will not go against the interests of Israel does not raise any doubts. The article does not draw on analytics. So-so ... Propaganda Kremlin work for a certain category of readers. That's all ...
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    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 20 October 2017 18: 22 New
      0
      Quote: israel631
      I looked at the comments on the site

      and made sure that I did not know anything about the situation in the world.
  16. Macross
    Macross 21 October 2017 13: 45 New
    0
    israel631,
    Not if the territory of Israel increased due to the Gaza Strip, Syria. And the territory of Lebanon has not yet been privatized?
  17. Dart2027
    Dart2027 21 October 2017 14: 45 New
    +1
    Quote: israel631
    I will answer. This is when South Ossetia is part of the territory of Georgia. Like Crimea, part of the territory of Ukraine.
    In fact, both Georgia and Ukraine are territories illegally torn away from Russia, and in addition, South Ossetia and Crimea were attached to them exclusively as subjects of the USSR. And if you recall that it was Georgia that tried to destroy the Ossetians, and the Bandera Crimeans, then who the aggressor is obvious ..
    Quote: israel631
    Which she herself violated by unleashing aggressive wars on foreign territory.
    So is it Putin ordered Saakashvili to bomb Tskhinval, and Poroshenko to create fascist battalions and handed out singing on the Maidan?
    Quote: israel631
    Regarding the Wahhabis, Russia alone accepts and negotiates with international terrorist organizations, Hamas, and Hisbollah, without recognizing them as terrorists, unlike the whole world.
    Is there a whole world?
    In addition, you still haven’t answered simple questions.

    Quote: Dart2027
    read how a citizen of Israel protects terrorists hiding behind Islam - that's cool.
  18. Ilja2016
    Ilja2016 21 October 2017 18: 21 New
    +1
    No negotiations with Israel. No
  19. Ilja2016
    Ilja2016 21 October 2017 18: 26 New
    +2
    However, how many Israeli citizens came to the site laughing Like flies on honey laughing They don’t like criticism. Well, you guys are brainwashed.
  20. Ilja2016
    Ilja2016 21 October 2017 18: 28 New
    +1
    Quote: Zina389
    Zones, kilometers, all this does not matter. The main question was whether Russia would allow Iran to occupy Syria, as Syria had occupied Lebanon at one time. If so, then there will be a war like the 60s and 70s. So far, the Foreign Ministry has said that foreign troops must leave Syria at the end of the conflict. Since while everything is happening the other way around, the troops of Turkey and Iran are just arriving, Israel is trying to agree on these issues with Russia, and plan B is being prepared as in the 60s. This plan, by the way, does not threaten Russian bases, it’s just to cleanse the territory of the next bearded battles, as Lebanon was cleared of the PLO, and the remaining Iranian forces will go home in an organized manner, like the Syrians in the 80s. Moreover, nuclear weapons are not clear.

    Well try, try. We will see
  21. Ilja2016
    Ilja2016 21 October 2017 18: 31 New
    +1
    Quote: israel631
    But today, the inhabitants of South Ossetia also have the right to be “proud”, devastation and poverty, unemployment. To all that the "Russian liberators" carry with them! And this is not the only example. Take, for example, the temporarily occupied Ukrainian Crimea ...

    Remind about Palestine?
  22. Ilja2016
    Ilja2016 21 October 2017 18: 33 New
    +1
    Quote: israel631
    This is when South Ossetia is part of Georgia

    And whose territory is the Golan Heights?
  23. SMP
    SMP 21 October 2017 19: 14 New
    0
    In general, people in Israel are smart, and therefore understand that if the business develops in the vein in which it is developing now, then Israel will have to get the very same nuclear bomb from its distant closet that it hides from everyone. Get it and show ..


    It would be something to show for a long time would have shown. Israel does not have its own nuclear weapons.
  24. aiden
    aiden 22 October 2017 03: 35 New
    0
    Why isn’t Israel presenting anything to Comrade Eun? He also has a nuclear weapons, plus the UK did not recognize Israel as a state. And it all comes down to Iran. Another Jewish Divorce
  25. Des10
    Des10 22 October 2017 17: 32 New
    0
    You say: utopia? .. But after all, the appearance of Israel itself on the world map was once considered utopia. And if you remember, thanks to whom the “historical” utopia suddenly became a reality ... In Israel, by the way, they perfectly remember.
    Here in VO no one speaks of them like that.
  26. Strategy
    Strategy 22 October 2017 19: 38 New
    0
    "israel631 today, 11:59 ↑
    For those who are still “on an armored car.” “Christ sellers” are Russians. Their "Russian Orthodox Church" is a branch of Satanists in the service of the "KGB", who never opened the Bible, which is, in fact, an inaccurate translation of the Torah. So "worship of the golden calf" is the prerogative of Putinoid Russians. By the way, today in Russia there is not a single commandment that both the country's leadership and the Russians do not violate. "
    First, only the Old Testament represents a translation of the Torah that is quite close to the original. The New Testament, which is based on the holy gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ, precisely exposes Christ sellers (Pharisees, legalists, etc.) who hypocritically show service to God but do not believe in Him. They even killed His Son, again substituting Pontius Pilate. But their fellow tribesman Judas, who betrayed Christ, was simply pushed to commit suicide, and 30 silver pieces were cynically "not recognized."
    Secondly, normal Jews (and this is the nation) just followed Christ to death on the cross and their best representatives professed Christ all their lives and suffered persecution from Christ sellers. So, think, israel631, who are you - a Jew or couples .....