Rogozin in Voronezh: It's time to abandon the purchase of foreign software with closed source code

Speaking at the conference "Diversification of the military-industrial complex in the field of telecommunications and telecommunications" in Voronezh, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin touched on the subject of software procurement abroad.

Considering all the recent scandals associated with the use of hardware and software of digital espionage devices by foreign intelligence agencies, the problem of using foreign samples of “software” seems to be really relevant. To be exact, the problem is that in our country and at industrial enterprises of the defense-industrial complex sphere they use software with closed source software by foreign developers.

According to Dmitry Rogozin, this practice must be changed at the legislative level.

Interfax cites the statement of Rogozin:

When buying overseas equipment — switches, routers, servers — we “sit down” on constantly upgrading foreign “software,” for which we do not have the source codes. It is worth considering a ban on the delivery to the public sector of equipment of those foreign sellers who do not open the source codes and do not transfer the documentation necessary for the subsequent modernization on their own.

According to Dmitry Rogozin, no one has yet canceled industrial espionage.

At the same time, the Deputy Prime Minister did not specify whether, under current conditions, it is possible to completely abandon the services of suppliers of foreign software in the event that they nevertheless decide not to transfer the necessary documentation to the Russian Federation.

Comments

[_Jack_]

It is not difficult to ban, but is there anything to replace?

[Monos]

Quote: _Jack_

It is not difficult to ban, but is there anything to replace?

They are working on it.

[The_lancet]

Buying foreign equipment - switches, routers, servers, - we "sit down" on the constantly upgraded alien "software", which we do not have the source code for. It is worth considering a ban on the supply to the public sector of equipment of those foreign sellers who do not open source codes and do not transmit the documentation necessary for subsequent modernization on their own.

That’s the point. Isn’t it?

[Thrall]

Does Rogozin have Open Mouth Day?

[AUL]

Well, Rogozin issued a revelation. Only the lazy did not speak about this problem! And the hedgehog understands that in many foreign programs bookmarks are mounted. The same Windows, in which a decent part of the functions is not documented. So it's time to switch to Linux!

[79807420129]

Well, finally woke up.

[Anarchist]

Still Medvedev would have taken away the iPhone, Yes, hoisted on the domestic electronics! Wolf and eggs, for example ...

[d ^ Amir]

a cook with pans and pancakes is also not bad ....

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Anarchist

Yes, they planted it on the domestic electronics! Wolf and eggs, for example ...

You sho He will beat his own records day and night. And the eggs. You don’t feel sorry for him at all ...

[Anarchist]

Eggs, let his wife feel sorry ...

[79807420129]

Quote: Anarchist

Wolf and eggs, for example ...

You can use Tetris, but it’s better to select devices in general, otherwise either a dream or toys.

[Anarchist]

Or maybe he even decides to play the prime minister’s decision at last?

[Sharansky]

Quote: Anarchist

Yes, they planted it on the domestic electronics!

To carry the phone on the cart. And the second with batteries.

[not main]

Quote: Sharansky

Quote: Anarchist

Yes, they planted it on the domestic electronics!

To carry the phone on the cart. And the second with batteries.

And here you are in vain ironizing (a very soft word)!

[Sharansky]

But find a phone with domestic electronics (a very soft word)

[not main]

Quote: Sharansky

But find a phone with domestic electronics (a very soft word)

TA-57! (a joke of course), only military developments are not advertised, on the contrary, they are secret.

[Sharansky]

I saw a lot of military. With a variety of phones. But I never noticed a Russian among them. Apparently very secret.

[not main]

Quote: Sharansky

I saw a lot of military. With a variety of phones. But I never noticed a Russian among them. Apparently very secret.

Even with the TA-57?

[Sharansky]

with TA-57 to you to Petrosyan. He will appreciate the humor

[not main]

Quote: Sharansky

with TA-57 to you to Petrosyan. He will appreciate the humor

Hardly. Army humor is not clear to civilians!

[Solomon Kane]

I look at Dima - every year the erysipelas are wider and wider, in the course of his device is constantly updated ....

[Logall]

I look at Dima –– from year to year
Erysipelas are wider. All of it!
Oh, the device from the steamboat–
Updated .....!

[DEPARTMENT]

Quote: _Jack_

It is not difficult to ban, but is there anything to replace?

Yes, there is something to replace, and for a long time ... That's just the lobby "ours" in the government are not particularly willing to do this, because it’s easier to buy and sit in a chair calmly .. But it’s very troublesome to implement your technologies and you won’t get big kickbacks .. this is the main problem of our state!
And sooner or later, this time bomb can paralyze Russia ..
Thunder will not strike, man will not cross ... Oh Russia!

[Sharansky]

Quote: DEPARTMENT

Yes, there is something to replace and for a long time ..

try replacing the OS in your mobile phone with something Russian, it really doesn’t exist, but you can see better from the sofa.

[DEPARTMENT]

Quote: Sharansky

Quote: DEPARTMENT

Yes, there is something to replace and for a long time ..

try replacing the OS in your mobile phone with something Russian, it really doesn’t exist, but you can see better from the sofa.

You can install anything at home ... But at state-owned enterprises and other state institutions and enterprises, you need to do this as soon as possible ... Yes, there are domestic systems for protecting information, cryptographic encryption, etc. And they showed themselves quite well during attacks of viruses of all kinds of the world .. But still, the base and OSes must be domestic ..!
I'm talking about it ..
And on mobile phones it is especially necessary to replace everything with those who work in the military-industrial complex and in the civil service!
PS And your malice at the expense of "couch and cheers," this is "comrades from Israel" and their liberals are talking about me here .. I have not paid attention to them for a long time .. They have such a job .. I hope you are not one of them to sing along ..?
I have the honor!

[Titsen]

Quote: DEPARTMENT

PS And your malice at the expense of "couch and cheers," this is "comrades from Israel" and their liberals are chatting about me here .. I haven’t paid attention to them for a long time .. hi They have such a job .. I hope you are not one of them sang along ..?

And grandfather is cool!

[_Jack_]

Grandfather is a complete ignoramus in the matter, picked up the tops and completely does not understand the depth of the problem. If foreign software is banned right now, all government agencies will stand up. What we can replace with domestic or open source software is a few percent of all used software. Rogozin, as always, promotes and makes nonsense pleasing to the ears of the urapatriots.

[DEPARTMENT]

Quote: _Jack_

Grandfather is a complete ignoramus in the matter, picked up the tops and completely does not understand the depth of the problem.

Heh heh .. Laughing ..))) "Understanding" you're ours ..!
I would tell .but it is impossible ..

Quote: _Jack_

If you prohibit foreign software right now, all government agencies
stand up

Naive Albanian boy ...! Nobody is going to forbid anything, but it needs to be changed gradually and there is every reason and opportunity for this, which is done slowly so that liberalism does not howl .. I clearly explained what Rogozin meant ..?

[_Jack_]

Yes, mostly chatter is being done. At such a pace as it is now being done, in fifty years we will replace it, and that is unlikely, because in many areas of software nothing is done at all.

[Sharansky]

Quote: DEPARTMENT

He clearly explained what Rogozin meant ..?

what did Rogozin mean when he gave a tooth and then merged?

[Grandfather]

Quote: DEPARTMENT

I have the honor!

bent "mihan" about the honor of that ...

[AUL]

Yes, there is something to replace, and for a long time ... That's just the lobby "ours" in the government are not particularly willing to do this, because it’s easier to buy and sit in a chair calmly .. But it’s very troublesome to implement your technologies and you won’t get big kickbacks .. this is the main problem of our state!

Perhaps the first time that I agree with the DEPARTMENT!

[210ox]

I was puzzled by the statement that it is necessary to decide at the legislative level .. And what hasn’t been reached before? Can it be time to legislatively decide on the socio-political system? Or haven’t they matured?

Quote: _Jack_

It is not difficult to ban, but is there anything to replace?

С

[ksa4004]

a lot of money is needed, g * vnokod is not expensive, but a programmer is a lot of dough, but there are a lot of such

[dubovitskiy.1947]

Quote: _Jack_

It is not difficult to ban, but is there anything to replace?

It is like an unmeasured amount of oil. Until exhausted, no one scratches. It’s time to withdraw some of the funds from the military budget and direct them to the development of microelectronics and software using targeted procedures. Otherwise, our military will gobble up with what will cause diarrhea.

[Karaul73]

Yes, there’s nothing to replace, all the money went to an unbelievably so Rogozin. Some beautiful words. Things to not see. All the good appears contrary to such figures.

[jonht]

It is not strange to eat and were, but only with many beloved products from melkosoft are not compatible. OSes based on Unix systems and Linux.

[Lycan]

Compass, map, stars (in clear weather), conditional Dersu Uzala (for each area - its own).

[Mavrikiy]

As a first step diversification.

[Tusv]

But doesn't it seem that you, Dmitry Olegovich, are many?
You are already smoking. Money is stolen, and you supervise. Che say there, collect tribute. And so and so is not a minister

[Pirogov]

Quote: Tusv

And so and so is not a minister

And you name who is better?

[Tusv]

Quote: Pirogov

And you name who is better?

My Comdiv, for example

[dubovitskiy.1947]

Quote: Tusv

Quote: Pirogov

And you name who is better?

My Comdiv, for example

He is good, because in its place. Perhaps worthy of moving up. But not shock. The beginning of the 1941 war, remember when yesterday's captains and lieutenants commanded the regiments.

[Tusv]

Quote: dubovitskiy.194

The beginning of the 1941 war, remember when yesterday's captains and lieutenants commanded the regiments.

My classmate became a General at the age of 37 due to some handshake And then Trampoline and a bunch of financial requirements. I have the right to indicate fraud, which Olegitch does not see point blank and where if not here?

[dubovitskiy.1947]

Quote: Tusv

Quote: dubovitskiy.194

The beginning of the 1941 war, remember when yesterday's captains and lieutenants commanded the regiments.

My classmate became a General at the age of 37 due to some handshake And then Trampoline and a bunch of financial requirements. I have the right to indicate fraud, which Olegitch does not see point blank and where if not here?

Talking here is farting in a puddle. Both sound and stink. For the good of the case, where to write.
And not anonymously, but with a package of evidence.
Patriot you are our unknown.

[Pirogov]

Quote: Tusv

My Comdiv, for example

There are many worthy people, but unfortunately they can’t see big politics. And among all the ministers, Rogozin is not the worst this is my opinion.

[Tusv]

Quote: Pirogov

And among all the ministers, Rogozin is not the worst this is my opinion.

Nicholas the second Saint and what? How did Bashlachev sing ?: "After all, only know the Saints in Russia."
And if good let him plow and do not churn out and do not clog the ether.
I repeat. I just gotten this person

[AUL]

And among all the ministers, Rogozin is not the worst this is my opinion.

I mean, what is worse? I agree, there is! BUT this is not a reason for his defense.

[bk316]

You are already smoking. Money is stolen, and you supervise

Interestingly, do you realize that this is a hard flood?

[Tusv]

Quote: bk316

Interestingly, do you realize that this is a hard flood?

Not. This is a tough rebellion.
Now. Just realize that the air defense does not have missiles and systems, about which this butbuten has been creeping for 3 years. And who is to blame

[Eurodav]

Quote: Tusv

But doesn't it seem that you, Dmitry Olegovich, are many?
You are already smoking. Money is stolen, and you supervise. Che say there, collect tribute. And so and so is not a minister

What are we turning to personality again? The article is not about him!

[Tusv]

Quote: Evrodav

What are we turning to personality again? The article is not about him!

Probably the first time Rogozin chihvoshchu. Well deserved a salvo in the ass. This is a gentle affection

[SCHMEL]

in Voronezh: It's time to abandon the purchase of foreign software with closed source

Deputy Prime Minister did not specify whether in modern conditions there are opportunities to completely abandon the services of foreign software suppliers

Anything can be said without specifying ...

[LAWNER]

In Russia right now, there are almost 3 dozen Operating Systems in open access. Programs are written under them. But it seems to me that everything is moving towards these new quantum computers and the unified national operating system created under them.

[ksa4004]

even as it seems

[LAWNER]

About gps and glonas also seemed .... About viza and a map The world also seemed ....

[ksa4004]

so we don’t live in Africa :), even though we reached out to Glonas, how much dough was stolen and the terms were shaved. I can give a counterexample, like intel with qualcomm we don’t even catch up

[LAWNER]

How old are these companies? And how much is ours ... Those Russian developers who were at the beginning of such developments left for Europe. Now ....
Russian and Chinese hackers are not such a fictional story ....

[ksa4004]

garbage
Micron - 1967
Qualcomm - 1985
Angstrom -1964
Will grow new and dump
Hackers are not the creator of the product. There’s nothing to brag about, pind ** s and their neighbors also have enough hackers. area.

[ksa4004]

Quote: bk316

Real heavy software

What exactly do you mean?

cisco, oracle, ibm

[Livonetc]

Quote: _Jack_

It is not difficult to ban, but is there anything to replace?

Yes, and so it is

Quote: Monos

Quote: _Jack_

It is not difficult to ban, but is there anything to replace?

They are working on it.

Yes, if we talk about the operating system, then this is the Linux example, the code is open.
In general, I do not understand the topic.
For any defensive systems can not be purchased imported software with open or open source.
This is possible only in the auxiliary part of the type of warehouse accounting records management, etc., etc.
Rogozin again in his repertoire.
Patriotic speech before the leaders.
Points earned.

[ksa4004]

the article is about the public sector, and there this equipment to one place

[Maalkavianin]

Woke up damn ...

[Cetron]

In France, at the legislative level, state institutions use Linux (widows are prohibited). Have you heard that government agencies in France have suffered from all sorts of viruses?
I work on the Latvian railway, the intranet is used to exchange corporate confidential, security specialists work intensively. Recently, workers were warned by smartphones of which brands and models secretly from the user they transmit information from the gadget to unknown to whom, the order is: do not use them at work.
If interested, I can publish the list.

[Maalkavianin]

Publish. It would be interesting.

[Cetron]

List on a working computer. How to get it - I'll throw it off, but not earlier than tomorrow, I can in PM.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Cetron

I can in PM

Both me and me too

[dubovitskiy.1947]

Quote: Cetron

List on a working computer. How to get it - I'll throw it off, but not earlier than tomorrow, I can in PM.

What is the list for? ALL. In one or another quality and quantity. And you can be dragged to court for a list. For brand discredit.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: dubovitskiy.1947

What is the list for? ALL

This one too?

Quote: dubovitskiy.1947

In one or another quality and quantity

Well, zero is also ... quantity

[Young_Communist]

Rogozin in Voronezh: It's time to abandon the purchase of foreign software with closed source code

It’s also a good idea to refuse to buy millions of apartments that suspiciously coincide with a delay in salaries for the Vostochny space center employees, as well as to rush your mediocre unclean dairyman to top positions in the defense industry.

[thinker]

According to Dmitry Rogozin, this practice must be changed at the legislative level.

But what about - Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation of November 16, 2015 N 1236
"On the establishment of a ban on the admission of software originating from foreign states for the purpose of procurement to meet state and municipal needs."
Does this not apply to the defense industry?

[Fedya2017]

Quote: thinker

But what about - Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation of November 16, 2015 N 1236

Probably forgot ... Chubais also promised nano-technology. Firmly promised ... But it seems he himself forgot, and the president and the government did not mention everything. The main thing is to promise and sign the signature, slam the seal, show on TV the country and people ... Work in full swing. And just don’t remember what they signed ... A lot of things have to be signed every day.

[groks]

For this, they would generally be shot at sane times.

[Fedya2017]

It took so long ?! Well now, all hope for Chubais ... He promised firmly. Like breakthrough nano-technologies ...

[groks]

As he creeps into our city, he’ll certainly blurt out what nonsense. Climate chtol ....
Lord Let’s finally go to Russia as a normal ruler! To disperse these thieves and morons. I believe and even go to church.

[SEERforSEER]

Quote: Golovan Jack

23

and mnu. spsb

[Karen]

Quote: ksa4004

garbage
Micron - 1967
Qualcomm - 1985
Angstrom -1964
Will grow new and dump
Hackers are not the creator of the product. There’s nothing to brag about, pind ** s and their neighbors also have enough hackers. area.

Why succumbed to the provocation of the LAW of the castor? :) :) double joke :)
We created a radiotelephone back in 1950, so kilometers more ... than later with the bourgeoisie.
Somewhere in 1967, Intel bought computers at our exhibition in order to show the plaintiff “patent holder” over the hill in court that such algorithms have been used in the USSR for a long time.
In the late 70s, our microprocessors (designed by Boris Babayan) were 2 times "bit" Intel.

[Karen]

Sorry, IBM bought, not Intel at our exhibition ...

[LeonidL]

It's time, you just woke up?

[Nemesis]

So start the production of domestic computers in Voronezh, during the Soviet era they were made there. How much can you grind your tongue for nothing, Dimon ?!

[SEERforSEER]

Quote: Nemesis

05

esche in Kursk, on "Schetmash".

[Guillon]

Is it really enlightenment ?! For software developers, this fact has been known since the very beginning, and only now has it reached our top! What are you smoking there, Dmitry?!?

[ZAV69]

Rogozin certainly makes the right speeches, but this should result in the creation of appropriate structures and their financing. And since this does not happen, the reputation of the clown is confirmed. Koneno is doing something for the army that Kaspersky announced there. But where is the development of the national OS? Where is the development of software for network equipment? Not just a small office sawing another distributor of a red cap or debian, but a large office the size of a melkosoft? But no. This is shitty

[agbykov]

Android source codes are published in the public domain (regarding the OS for a mobile phone)