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Rogozin in Voronezh: It's time to abandon the purchase of foreign software with closed source code

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Speaking at the conference "Diversification of the military-industrial complex in the field of telecommunications and telecommunications" in Voronezh, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin touched on the subject of software procurement abroad.


Considering all the recent scandals associated with the use of hardware and software of digital espionage devices by foreign intelligence agencies, the problem of using foreign samples of “software” seems to be really relevant. To be exact, the problem is that in our country and at industrial enterprises of the defense-industrial complex sphere they use software with closed source software by foreign developers.

Rogozin in Voronezh: It's time to abandon the purchase of foreign software with closed source code


According to Dmitry Rogozin, this practice must be changed at the legislative level.

Interfax cites the statement of Rogozin:
When buying overseas equipment — switches, routers, servers — we “sit down” on constantly upgrading foreign “software,” for which we do not have the source codes. It is worth considering a ban on the delivery to the public sector of equipment of those foreign sellers who do not open the source codes and do not transfer the documentation necessary for the subsequent modernization on their own.


According to Dmitry Rogozin, no one has yet canceled industrial espionage.

At the same time, the Deputy Prime Minister did not specify whether, under current conditions, it is possible to completely abandon the services of suppliers of foreign software in the event that they nevertheless decide not to transfer the necessary documentation to the Russian Federation.

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Twitter / Rogozin
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  1. _Jack_
    _Jack_ 18 October 2017 17: 22
    +1
    It is not difficult to ban, but is there anything to replace?
    1. Monos
      Monos 18 October 2017 17: 29
      13
      Quote: _Jack_
      It is not difficult to ban, but is there anything to replace?

      They are working on it. smile
      1. The_lancet
        The_lancet 18 October 2017 17: 40
        +2
        Buying foreign equipment - switches, routers, servers, - we "sit down" on the constantly upgraded alien "software", which we do not have the source code for. It is worth considering a ban on the supply to the public sector of equipment of those foreign sellers who do not open source codes and do not transmit the documentation necessary for subsequent modernization on their own.

        That’s the point. Isn’t it?
        1. Thrall
          Thrall 18 October 2017 18: 12
          +4
          Does Rogozin have Open Mouth Day?
        2. AUL
          AUL 18 October 2017 20: 37
          +3
          Well, Rogozin issued a revelation. Only the lazy did not speak about this problem! And the hedgehog understands that in many foreign programs bookmarks are mounted. The same Windows, in which a decent part of the functions is not documented. So it's time to switch to Linux!
    2. 79807420129
      79807420129 18 October 2017 17: 31
      13
      Well, finally woke up.
      1. Anarchist
        Anarchist 18 October 2017 17: 43
        27
        Still Medvedev would have taken away the iPhone, Yes, hoisted on the domestic electronics! Wolf and eggs, for example ...
        1. d ^ Amir
          d ^ Amir 18 October 2017 17: 49
          +7
          a cook with pans and pancakes is also not bad ....
        2. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 18 October 2017 17: 52
          +3
          Quote: Anarchist
          Yes, they planted it on the domestic electronics! Wolf and eggs, for example ...

          You sho He will beat his own records day and night. And the eggs. You don’t feel sorry for him at all ...
          1. Anarchist
            Anarchist 18 October 2017 17: 56
            14
            Eggs, let his wife feel sorry ...
        3. 79807420129
          79807420129 18 October 2017 17: 58
          +6
          Quote: Anarchist
          Wolf and eggs, for example ...

          You can use Tetris, but it’s better to select devices in general, otherwise either a dream or toys. laughing
          1. Anarchist
            Anarchist 18 October 2017 18: 11
            17
            Or maybe he even decides to play the prime minister’s decision at last?
        4. Sharansky
          Sharansky 18 October 2017 18: 14
          +2
          Quote: Anarchist
          Yes, they planted it on the domestic electronics!

          To carry the phone on the cart. And the second with batteries.
          1. not main
            not main 18 October 2017 22: 29
            +2
            Quote: Sharansky
            Quote: Anarchist
            Yes, they planted it on the domestic electronics!

            To carry the phone on the cart. And the second with batteries.

            And here you are in vain ironizing (a very soft word)!
            1. Sharansky
              Sharansky 19 October 2017 10: 34
              0
              But find a phone with domestic electronics (a very soft word)
              1. not main
                not main 19 October 2017 21: 42
                0
                Quote: Sharansky
                But find a phone with domestic electronics (a very soft word)

                TA-57! (a joke of course), only military developments are not advertised, on the contrary, they are secret.
                1. Sharansky
                  Sharansky 19 October 2017 22: 48
                  0
                  I saw a lot of military. With a variety of phones. But I never noticed a Russian among them. Apparently very secret.
                  1. not main
                    not main 19 October 2017 23: 16
                    +1
                    Quote: Sharansky
                    I saw a lot of military. With a variety of phones. But I never noticed a Russian among them. Apparently very secret.

                    Even with the TA-57?
                    1. Sharansky
                      Sharansky 19 October 2017 23: 50
                      0
                      with TA-57 to you to Petrosyan. He will appreciate the humor
                      1. not main
                        not main 19 October 2017 23: 58
                        0
                        Quote: Sharansky
                        with TA-57 to you to Petrosyan. He will appreciate the humor

                        Hardly. Army humor is not clear to civilians!
      2. Solomon Kane
        Solomon Kane 18 October 2017 17: 49
        10
        I look at Dima - every year the erysipelas are wider and wider, in the course of his device is constantly updated .... laughing wassat lol
        1. Logall
          Logall 18 October 2017 23: 27
          13
          I look at Dima –– from year to year
          Erysipelas are wider. All of it!
          Oh, the device from the steamboat–
          Updated .....!
    3. DEPARTMENT
      DEPARTMENT 18 October 2017 17: 41
      +6
      Quote: _Jack_
      It is not difficult to ban, but is there anything to replace?

      Yes, there is something to replace, and for a long time ... That's just the lobby "ours" in the government are not particularly willing to do this, because it’s easier to buy and sit in a chair calmly .. But it’s very troublesome to implement your technologies and you won’t get big kickbacks .. this is the main problem of our state!
      And sooner or later, this time bomb can paralyze Russia ..
      Thunder will not strike, man will not cross ... Oh Russia!
      1. Sharansky
        Sharansky 18 October 2017 18: 17
        +9
        Quote: DEPARTMENT
        Yes, there is something to replace and for a long time ..

        try replacing the OS in your mobile phone with something Russian, it really doesn’t exist, but you can see better from the sofa.
        1. DEPARTMENT
          DEPARTMENT 18 October 2017 19: 23
          +7
          Quote: Sharansky
          Quote: DEPARTMENT
          Yes, there is something to replace and for a long time ..

          try replacing the OS in your mobile phone with something Russian, it really doesn’t exist, but you can see better from the sofa.

          You can install anything at home ... But at state-owned enterprises and other state institutions and enterprises, you need to do this as soon as possible ... Yes, there are domestic systems for protecting information, cryptographic encryption, etc. And they showed themselves quite well during attacks of viruses of all kinds of the world .. But still, the base and OSes must be domestic ..!
          I'm talking about it ..
          And on mobile phones it is especially necessary to replace everything with those who work in the military-industrial complex and in the civil service!
          PS And your malice at the expense of "couch and cheers," this is "comrades from Israel" and their liberals are talking about me here .. I have not paid attention to them for a long time .. hi They have such a job .. I hope you are not one of them to sing along ..?
          I have the honor! soldier
          1. Titsen
            Titsen 18 October 2017 20: 21
            +6
            Quote: DEPARTMENT
            PS And your malice at the expense of "couch and cheers," this is "comrades from Israel" and their liberals are chatting about me here .. I haven’t paid attention to them for a long time .. hi They have such a job .. I hope you are not one of them sang along ..?


            And grandfather is cool!
            1. _Jack_
              _Jack_ 18 October 2017 20: 52
              +5
              Grandfather is a complete ignoramus in the matter, picked up the tops and completely does not understand the depth of the problem. If foreign software is banned right now, all government agencies will stand up. What we can replace with domestic or open source software is a few percent of all used software. Rogozin, as always, promotes and makes nonsense pleasing to the ears of the urapatriots.
              1. DEPARTMENT
                DEPARTMENT 18 October 2017 21: 43
                +3
                Quote: _Jack_
                Grandfather is a complete ignoramus in the matter, picked up the tops and completely does not understand the depth of the problem.

                Heh heh .. Laughing ..))) "Understanding" you're ours ..!
                I would tell .but it is impossible ..
                Quote: _Jack_
                If you prohibit foreign software right now, all government agencies
                stand up

                Naive Albanian boy ...! Nobody is going to forbid anything, but it needs to be changed gradually and there is every reason and opportunity for this, which is done slowly so that liberalism does not howl .. I clearly explained what Rogozin meant ..?
                1. _Jack_
                  _Jack_ 18 October 2017 23: 59
                  +2
                  Yes, mostly chatter is being done. At such a pace as it is now being done, in fifty years we will replace it, and that is unlikely, because in many areas of software nothing is done at all.
                2. Sharansky
                  Sharansky 19 October 2017 10: 36
                  0
                  Quote: DEPARTMENT
                  He clearly explained what Rogozin meant ..?

                  what did Rogozin mean when he gave a tooth and then merged?
          2. Grandfather
            Grandfather 20 October 2017 04: 35
            +1
            Quote: DEPARTMENT
            I have the honor!

            bent "mihan" about the honor of that ... wassat
      2. AUL
        AUL 18 October 2017 20: 42
        +5
        Yes, there is something to replace, and for a long time ... That's just the lobby "ours" in the government are not particularly willing to do this, because it’s easier to buy and sit in a chair calmly .. But it’s very troublesome to implement your technologies and you won’t get big kickbacks .. this is the main problem of our state!
        Perhaps the first time that I agree with the DEPARTMENT!
    4. 210ox
      210ox 18 October 2017 17: 59
      +3
      I was puzzled by the statement that it is necessary to decide at the legislative level .. And what hasn’t been reached before? Can it be time to legislatively decide on the socio-political system? Or haven’t they matured?
      Quote: _Jack_
      It is not difficult to ban, but is there anything to replace?

      С
      1. ksa4004
        ksa4004 18 October 2017 18: 14
        0
        a lot of money is needed, g * vnokod is not expensive, but a programmer is a lot of dough, but there are a lot of such
    5. dubovitskiy.1947
      dubovitskiy.1947 18 October 2017 18: 44
      +3
      Quote: _Jack_
      It is not difficult to ban, but is there anything to replace?

      It is like an unmeasured amount of oil. Until exhausted, no one scratches. It’s time to withdraw some of the funds from the military budget and direct them to the development of microelectronics and software using targeted procedures. Otherwise, our military will gobble up with what will cause diarrhea.
    6. Karaul73
      Karaul73 18 October 2017 20: 02
      +1
      Yes, there’s nothing to replace, all the money went to an unbelievably so Rogozin. Some beautiful words. Things to not see. All the good appears contrary to such figures.
    7. jonht
      jonht 19 October 2017 04: 16
      +1
      It is not strange to eat and were, but only with many beloved products from melkosoft are not compatible. OSes based on Unix systems and Linux.
    8. Lycan
      Lycan 19 October 2017 10: 18
      0
      Compass, map, stars (in clear weather), conditional Dersu Uzala (for each area - its own).
  2. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 18 October 2017 17: 25
    +3
    As a first step diversification.
  3. Tusv
    Tusv 18 October 2017 17: 28
    0
    But doesn't it seem that you, Dmitry Olegovich, are many?
    You are already smoking. Money is stolen, and you supervise. Che say there, collect tribute. And so and so is not a minister
    1. Pirogov
      Pirogov 18 October 2017 17: 36
      +4
      Quote: Tusv
      And so and so is not a minister

      And you name who is better?
      1. Tusv
        Tusv 18 October 2017 18: 27
        +2
        Quote: Pirogov
        And you name who is better?

        My Comdiv, for example
        1. dubovitskiy.1947
          dubovitskiy.1947 18 October 2017 18: 46
          +1
          Quote: Tusv
          Quote: Pirogov
          And you name who is better?

          My Comdiv, for example

          He is good, because in its place. Perhaps worthy of moving up. But not shock. The beginning of the 1941 war, remember when yesterday's captains and lieutenants commanded the regiments.
          1. Tusv
            Tusv 18 October 2017 18: 57
            +1
            Quote: dubovitskiy.194
            The beginning of the 1941 war, remember when yesterday's captains and lieutenants commanded the regiments.

            My classmate became a General at the age of 37 due to some handshake hi And then Trampoline and a bunch of financial requirements. I have the right to indicate fraud, which Olegitch does not see point blank and where if not here? hi
            1. dubovitskiy.1947
              dubovitskiy.1947 19 October 2017 00: 37
              +1
              Quote: Tusv
              Quote: dubovitskiy.194
              The beginning of the 1941 war, remember when yesterday's captains and lieutenants commanded the regiments.

              My classmate became a General at the age of 37 due to some handshake hi And then Trampoline and a bunch of financial requirements. I have the right to indicate fraud, which Olegitch does not see point blank and where if not here? hi

              Talking here is farting in a puddle. Both sound and stink. For the good of the case, where to write.
              And not anonymously, but with a package of evidence.
              Patriot you are our unknown.
        2. Pirogov
          Pirogov 18 October 2017 18: 47
          +1
          Quote: Tusv
          My Comdiv, for example

          There are many worthy people, but unfortunately they can’t see big politics. And among all the ministers, Rogozin is not the worst this is my opinion.
          1. Tusv
            Tusv 18 October 2017 19: 06
            0
            Quote: Pirogov
            And among all the ministers, Rogozin is not the worst this is my opinion.
            Nicholas the second Saint and what? How did Bashlachev sing ?: "After all, only know the Saints in Russia."
            And if good let him plow and do not churn out and do not clog the ether.
            I repeat. I just gotten this person
          2. AUL
            AUL 18 October 2017 20: 53
            +1
            And among all the ministers, Rogozin is not the worst this is my opinion.
            I mean, what is worse? I agree, there is! BUT this is not a reason for his defense.
    2. bk316
      bk316 18 October 2017 18: 04
      +2
      You are already smoking. Money is stolen, and you supervise

      Interestingly, do you realize that this is a hard flood?
      1. Tusv
        Tusv 18 October 2017 18: 40
        +3
        Quote: bk316
        Interestingly, do you realize that this is a hard flood?

        Not. This is a tough rebellion.
        Now. Just realize that the air defense does not have missiles and systems, about which this butbuten has been creeping for 3 years. And who is to blame hi
  4. Eurodav
    Eurodav 18 October 2017 17: 38
    +2
    Quote: Tusv
    But doesn't it seem that you, Dmitry Olegovich, are many?
    You are already smoking. Money is stolen, and you supervise. Che say there, collect tribute. And so and so is not a minister

    What are we turning to personality again? The article is not about him!
    1. Tusv
      Tusv 18 October 2017 18: 45
      0
      Quote: Evrodav
      What are we turning to personality again? The article is not about him!

      Probably the first time Rogozin chihvoshchu. Well deserved a salvo in the ass. This is a gentle affection
  5. SCHMEL
    SCHMEL 18 October 2017 17: 51
    +1
    in Voronezh: It's time to abandon the purchase of foreign software with closed source
    belay

    Deputy Prime Minister did not specify whether in modern conditions there are opportunities to completely abandon the services of foreign software suppliers
    belay
    Anything can be said without specifying ...


  6. LAWNER
    LAWNER 18 October 2017 18: 07
    0
    In Russia right now, there are almost 3 dozen Operating Systems in open access. Programs are written under them. But it seems to me that everything is moving towards these new quantum computers and the unified national operating system created under them.
    1. ksa4004
      ksa4004 18 October 2017 18: 16
      0
      even as it seems
      1. LAWNER
        LAWNER 18 October 2017 18: 25
        +1
        About gps and glonas also seemed .... About viza and a map The world also seemed ....
        1. ksa4004
          ksa4004 18 October 2017 18: 34
          0
          so we don’t live in Africa :), even though we reached out to Glonas, how much dough was stolen and the terms were shaved. I can give a counterexample, like intel with qualcomm we don’t even catch up
          1. LAWNER
            LAWNER 18 October 2017 19: 05
            +2
            How old are these companies? And how much is ours ... Those Russian developers who were at the beginning of such developments left for Europe. Now ....
            Russian and Chinese hackers are not such a fictional story ....
            1. ksa4004
              ksa4004 18 October 2017 21: 00
              0
              garbage
              Micron - 1967
              Qualcomm - 1985
              Angstrom -1964
              Will grow new and dump
              Hackers are not the creator of the product. There’s nothing to brag about, pind ** s and their neighbors also have enough hackers. area.
  7. ksa4004
    ksa4004 18 October 2017 18: 09
    0
    Quote: bk316
    Real heavy software

    What exactly do you mean?

    cisco, oracle, ibm
  8. Livonetc
    Livonetc 18 October 2017 18: 19
    +1
    Quote: _Jack_
    It is not difficult to ban, but is there anything to replace?

    Yes, and so it is
    Quote: Monos
    Quote: _Jack_
    It is not difficult to ban, but is there anything to replace?

    They are working on it. smile

    Yes, if we talk about the operating system, then this is the Linux example, the code is open.
    In general, I do not understand the topic.
    For any defensive systems can not be purchased imported software with open or open source.
    This is possible only in the auxiliary part of the type of warehouse accounting records management, etc., etc.
    Rogozin again in his repertoire.
    Patriotic speech before the leaders.
    Points earned.
    1. ksa4004
      ksa4004 18 October 2017 18: 24
      0
      the article is about the public sector, and there this equipment to one place
  9. Maalkavianin
    Maalkavianin 18 October 2017 18: 23
    +1
    Woke up damn ...
    1. Cetron
      Cetron 18 October 2017 20: 24
      +1
      In France, at the legislative level, state institutions use Linux (widows are prohibited). Have you heard that government agencies in France have suffered from all sorts of viruses?
      I work on the Latvian railway, the intranet is used to exchange corporate confidential, security specialists work intensively. Recently, workers were warned by smartphones of which brands and models secretly from the user they transmit information from the gadget to unknown to whom, the order is: do not use them at work.
      If interested, I can publish the list.
      1. Maalkavianin
        Maalkavianin 18 October 2017 20: 26
        +3
        Publish. It would be interesting.
        1. Cetron
          Cetron 18 October 2017 22: 46
          +3
          List on a working computer. How to get it - I'll throw it off, but not earlier than tomorrow, I can in PM.
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 18 October 2017 23: 09
            +8
            Quote: Cetron
            I can in PM

            Both me and me too fellow
          2. dubovitskiy.1947
            dubovitskiy.1947 19 October 2017 00: 41
            0
            Quote: Cetron
            List on a working computer. How to get it - I'll throw it off, but not earlier than tomorrow, I can in PM.

            What is the list for? ALL. In one or another quality and quantity. And you can be dragged to court for a list. For brand discredit.
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 19 October 2017 01: 06
              +8
              Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
              What is the list for? ALL

              This one too?

              Quote: dubovitskiy.1947
              In one or another quality and quantity

              Well, zero is also ... quantity wink
  10. Young_Communist
    Young_Communist 18 October 2017 18: 46
    +4
    Rogozin in Voronezh: It's time to abandon the purchase of foreign software with closed source code

    It’s also a good idea to refuse to buy millions of apartments that suspiciously coincide with a delay in salaries for the Vostochny space center employees, as well as to rush your mediocre unclean dairyman to top positions in the defense industry.
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  12. thinker
    thinker 18 October 2017 19: 08
    +1
    According to Dmitry Rogozin, this practice must be changed at the legislative level.

    But what about - Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation of November 16, 2015 N 1236
    "On the establishment of a ban on the admission of software originating from foreign states for the purpose of procurement to meet state and municipal needs."
    Does this not apply to the defense industry?
    1. Fedya2017
      Fedya2017 18 October 2017 20: 25
      +4
      Quote: thinker
      But what about - Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation of November 16, 2015 N 1236

      Probably forgot ... Chubais also promised nano-technology. Firmly promised ... But it seems he himself forgot, and the president and the government did not mention everything. The main thing is to promise and sign the signature, slam the seal, show on TV the country and people ... Work in full swing. And just don’t remember what they signed ... A lot of things have to be signed every day.
    2. groks
      groks 18 October 2017 21: 29
      +2
      For this, they would generally be shot at sane times.
  13. Fedya2017
    Fedya2017 18 October 2017 20: 16
    +1
    It took so long ?! Well now, all hope for Chubais ... He promised firmly. Like breakthrough nano-technologies ...
  14. groks
    groks 18 October 2017 21: 20
    +2
    As he creeps into our city, he’ll certainly blurt out what nonsense. Climate chtol ....
    Lord Let’s finally go to Russia as a normal ruler! To disperse these thieves and morons. I believe and even go to church.
  15. SEERforSEER
    SEERforSEER 19 October 2017 00: 25
    0
    Quote: Golovan Jack
    23

    and mnu. spsb
  16. Karen
    Karen 19 October 2017 01: 37
    +2
    Quote: ksa4004
    garbage
    Micron - 1967
    Qualcomm - 1985
    Angstrom -1964
    Will grow new and dump
    Hackers are not the creator of the product. There’s nothing to brag about, pind ** s and their neighbors also have enough hackers. area.

    Why succumbed to the provocation of the LAW of the castor? :) :) double joke :)
    We created a radiotelephone back in 1950, so kilometers more ... than later with the bourgeoisie.
    Somewhere in 1967, Intel bought computers at our exhibition in order to show the plaintiff “patent holder” over the hill in court that such algorithms have been used in the USSR for a long time.
    In the late 70s, our microprocessors (designed by Boris Babayan) were 2 times "bit" Intel.
    1. Karen
      Karen 19 October 2017 03: 10
      +1
      Sorry, IBM bought, not Intel at our exhibition ...
  17. LeonidL
    LeonidL 19 October 2017 04: 52
    +1
    It's time, you just woke up?
  18. Nemesis
    Nemesis 19 October 2017 05: 02
    +2
    So start the production of domestic computers in Voronezh, during the Soviet era they were made there. How much can you grind your tongue for nothing, Dimon ?!
  19. SEERforSEER
    SEERforSEER 19 October 2017 05: 16
    0
    Quote: Nemesis
    05

    esche in Kursk, on "Schetmash".
  20. Guillon
    Guillon 19 October 2017 10: 29
    0
    Is it really enlightenment ?! belay For software developers, this fact has been known since the very beginning, and only now has it reached our top! What are you smoking there, Dmitry?!? wassat request
  21. ZAV69
    ZAV69 19 October 2017 11: 59
    +1
    Rogozin certainly makes the right speeches, but this should result in the creation of appropriate structures and their financing. And since this does not happen, the reputation of the clown is confirmed. Koneno is doing something for the army that Kaspersky announced there. But where is the development of the national OS? Where is the development of software for network equipment? Not just a small office sawing another distributor of a red cap or debian, but a large office the size of a melkosoft? But no. This is shitty
  22. agbykov
    agbykov 20 October 2017 19: 31
    0
    Android source codes are published in the public domain (regarding the OS for a mobile phone)