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Rogozin: the share of military orders will be seriously reduced

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The volume of military orders in the framework of the state defense order for 2018-2025 will be reduced, said Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin, speaking at the military-industrial conference "Diversification of the defense-industrial complex in the field of telecommunications and communications."


It must be borne in mind that the promising GPV will not be a thin, but a completely normal, solid program that will continue to planly maintain a high level of modern weapons in the army and navyNevertheless, the portfolio of military orders from the state will be reduced
- he said.

Rogozin: the share of military orders will be seriously reduced


Rogozin recalled that the reason for such a reduction is quite logical - by 2020, Russia should reach the control figures for the re-equipment of the army and navy.

And so we go in principle, even with some advance
he remarked.
We see in Syria the results of our military-industrial complex


The Vice Prime Minister recalled that now "the military-industrial complex board is starting to consider the draft of the new Arms Program, and is also studying the proposals of the Ministry of Industry and Trade in the part concerning the parallel LG program, which is called the State Program for the Development of the DIC." Rogozin assured that measures related to the modernization of defense enterprises and scientific research institutes are continuing, but the established production backlog should now be focused on the production of high-tech civilian products. At the same time, defense specialists should take into account the existing world technologies (some of them are already patented and access to them may be limited due to sanctions), licensing and certification conditions, reports TASS.
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  1. Thrall
    Thrall 18 October 2017 14: 55 New
    12
    For a long time, Dima Rogozin was not heard, it was evident on vacation.
    So much news in the military-industrial complex was announced without his participation. Well, nothing right now will begin to PR again on events unrelated to it.
    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 18 October 2017 14: 58 New
      +5
      Quote: Thrall
      but the created backlogs of production should now be focused on the production of high-tech civilian products.

      The main thing is to do without nanocassers! stop
      1. NIKNN
        NIKNN 18 October 2017 15: 29 New
        +4
        Quote: СРЦ П-15
        The main thing is to do without nanocassers!

        This is scary ....
        Diversification MIC in the field of telecommunications and communications. "
        Like a familiar and frightening word ...
        1. Nikolai Grek
          Nikolai Grek 18 October 2017 18: 36 New
          10
          Quote: NIKNN
          Quote: СРЦ П-15
          The main thing is to do without nanocassers!

          This is scary ....
          Diversification MIC in the field of telecommunications and communications. "
          Like a familiar and frightening word ...

          Some Russian defense industry plants are already doing this technique. In particular, dozens of medical devices are developed and assembled in the workshops and laboratories of the aforementioned Shvabe holding, from incubators and mechanical ventilation devices for newborns to defibrillators.

          The Radioelectronic Technologies Concern (KRET) produces a compact device for monitoring the state of the heart and the entire body of CardioMarker. The medical device registers an electrocardiogram, pulse, and reveals pathologies.

          https://lenta.ru/articles/2017/02/17/oboronka_dly
          a_grazhdanki /

          if such diversification is commendable !!!
          1. groks
            groks 18 October 2017 21: 00 New
            +1
            It's great that they release it. Only with the folding of the defense and this will disappear from them. because they cannot compete with China.
      2. Tusv
        Tusv 18 October 2017 15: 52 New
        +1
        Quote: SRC P-15
        The main thing is to do without nanocassers!

        Here, Sanya, as it were, do without the Bab, in general, without the usual routine. There will be pots, bududas and a teapot on their head. More than once he saved the Father from the Good Mother.
        Personally, I touch when I see an individual with boobs. May God grant Readiness to look at American technology, so to speak
        1. SRC P-15
          SRC P-15 18 October 2017 18: 00 New
          0
          Quote: Tusv
          Here, Sanya, as it were, do without the Bab, in general, without the usual routine. There will be pots, bududas and a teapot on their head. More than once he saved the Father from the Good Mother.
          Personally, I touch when I see an individual with boobs. May God grant Readiness to look at American technology, so to speak

          belay Or today I stupefied Vova, or I don’t understand your Aesopian language at all. what I understood only about "Readiness (No. 1)." smile hi drinks
    2. Primoos
      Primoos 18 October 2017 15: 20 New
      +9
      Quote: Thrall
      For a long time, Dima Rogozin was not heard, it was evident on vacation.
      So much news in the military-industrial complex was announced without his participation. Well, nothing right now will begin to PR again on events unrelated to it.
      Saudi king entertained. He does it better than overseeing the military-industrial complex.
      1. kenig1
        kenig1 18 October 2017 15: 29 New
        +6
        From where do you know all-know?
        1. Thrall
          Thrall 18 October 2017 15: 35 New
          +2
          Quote: kenig1
          From where do you know all-know?

          Tough day?
        2. Primoos
          Primoos 18 October 2017 15: 44 New
          +9
          Quote: kenig1
          From where do you know all-know?

          Where are you from, dunno. From women. You don’t even know such a simple thing.
      2. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 18 October 2017 15: 33 New
        +8
        Quote: Primoos
        Saudi king entertained

        Does the king drink? Something Rogozin is swollen in the photo.
        1. Partyzan
          Partyzan 18 October 2017 15: 42 New
          11
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          Does the king drink? Something Rogozin is swollen in the photo.

          at night - when Allah does not see laughing
        2. Kent0001
          Kent0001 18 October 2017 16: 48 New
          +4
          Nooooo, so Rogozin consumed for two.
        3. weksha50
          weksha50 18 October 2017 20: 06 New
          +1
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          Does the king drink? Something Rogozin is swollen in the photo.


          Duc ... He drank it - Rogozin ... and entertained the king ... with jokes and fairy tales from a thousand and one nights ... lol
      3. Gransasso
        Gransasso 18 October 2017 15: 36 New
        +5
        Quote: Primoos
        Quote: Thrall
        For a long time, Dima Rogozin was not heard, it was evident on vacation.
        So much news in the military-industrial complex was announced without his participation. Well, nothing right now will begin to PR again on events unrelated to it.
        Saudi king entertained. He does it better than overseeing the military-industrial complex.



        I took revenge on the cursed Romanians .. I got to the cities of Moldova .. by short dashes
      4. Pirogov
        Pirogov 18 October 2017 16: 08 New
        +6
        Quote: Primoos
        Saudi king entertained. He does it better than overseeing the military-industrial complex.

        Do you want to propose yourself as a curator of the military-industrial complex? Rogozin is no worse than others, but with regards to the military-industrial complex, everything is here, or practically everything is decided by the president.
        1. Igor V
          Igor V 18 October 2017 20: 55 New
          0
          For me, this question is obscure and incomprehensible: why does the name Rogozin replace a red rag for many VO commentators? You can safely put an equal sign between them and the commentators of any publication of a liberalistic sense, although VO has nothing to do with these publications. The people, apparently, do not understand the role of Rogozin in the rise of our defense industry and the Army. Or maybe they are victims of propaganda?
          1. japs
            japs 19 October 2017 22: 31 New
            +4
            For some reason, the name Rogozin is associated with Vostochny Cosmodrome. Maybe because he personally oversaw this construction site?
            Judging by the results, he is an excellent curator.
            Hence this attitude ...
    3. seti
      seti 18 October 2017 15: 47 New
      +8
      Quote: kenig1
      From where do you know all-know?

      After all, they are all specialists above Rogozin class. Everyone knows everything they see and they will tell about everything better than him.
      Rogozin said everything on the matter - indeed, over time, the orders of our Armed Forces will be reduced .. The times have already passed when all resources were invested in weapons .. Only the Union did not save. Rather, the opposite. We need to earn money and studies in the civil sphere to our enterprises. So around. Is it bad ? You yourself want cool phones, good TVs and normal cars .. And much, much more .. The main thing is that everything is smart. And our scientist and designer sure has something to offer the civilian market.
      1. Primoos
        Primoos 18 October 2017 15: 55 New
        +6
        Quote: seti
        Quote: kenig1
        From where do you know all-know?

        After all, they are all specialists above Rogozin class. Everyone knows everything they see and they will tell about everything better than him.
        Rogozin said everything on the matter - indeed, over time, the orders of our Armed Forces will be reduced .. The times have already passed when all resources were invested in weapons .. Only the Union did not save. Rather, the opposite. We need to earn money and studies in the civil sphere to our enterprises. So around. Is it bad ? You yourself want cool phones, good TVs and normal cars .. And much, much more .. The main thing is that everything is smart. And our scientist and designer sure has something to offer the civilian market.

        Everything is correct. Only Rogozin, with a thoughtful look, spoke word for word what Putin had long said. It’s great to work as a parrot, isn't it?
        1. seti
          seti 18 October 2017 15: 57 New
          +3
          Everyone often says phrases that once sounded. Many repeat what they heard in the movies ..
          I just noted that Rogozin “said the case” .. So you shouldn’t pour mud on him for this.
          1. Primoos
            Primoos 18 October 2017 16: 10 New
            +6
            And no one watered him. I really need it. He puts himself in such a stupid position. You have to be smarter.
            1. Don
              Don 18 October 2017 16: 50 New
              +3
              Quote: Primoos
              Only Rogozin, with a thoughtful look, uttered word for word what Putin had long said. It’s great to work as a parrot, isn't it?

              Quote: Primoos
              And no one watered him. I really need it. He puts himself in such a stupid position. You have to be smarter.

              So, you think you are smarter than him? wassat Well, well, continue on, there’s no such diagnosis, abruptly Napoleon laughing
              1. Primoos
                Primoos 18 October 2017 22: 25 New
                +4
                Quote: Donskoy
                Quote: Primoos
                Only Rogozin, with a thoughtful look, uttered word for word what Putin had long said. It’s great to work as a parrot, isn't it?

                Quote: Primoos
                And no one watered him. I really need it. He puts himself in such a stupid position. You have to be smarter.

                So, you think you are smarter than him? wassat Well, well, continue on, there’s no such diagnosis, abruptly Napoleon laughing

                And why should I be stupid of him? Is he a genius? Timely fussed in the ladies, that's all his talents. Now his whole family is attached to the bins of the Motherland. Apparently everything is incredibly brilliant.
                1. japs
                  japs 19 October 2017 22: 40 New
                  +4
                  Yes, Primus, the whole family is brilliant! A son at 20+ is even more brilliant than dad. Kuzhegetovich should take a closer look, talent is ripening ...
      2. tomket
        tomket 18 October 2017 16: 34 New
        +3
        Quote: seti
        You yourself want cool phones, good TVs and normal cars.

        Oh God, you probably just got out of a lethargic dream? Fell in the days of perestroika to the joy of hearing about the conversion ????
  2. Muvka
    Muvka 18 October 2017 14: 57 New
    +1
    It is quite logical. So in a hurry will no longer be necessary.
  3. asbond
    asbond 18 October 2017 14: 59 New
    +4
    "... should now be focused on the release of high-tech civilian products" Maybe it is better to make military products at military factories? And then in perestroika already ate these conversions "give the pan!"
    1. Muvka
      Muvka 18 October 2017 15: 01 New
      +4
      You obviously cannot distinguish pots from
      Quote: asbond
      "high-tech civilian products"
      1. asbond
        asbond 18 October 2017 16: 16 New
        +2
        As the hippo cat used to say: "I do not understand the reasons for such a harsh treatment with me!" What explains your displeasure at my words?
    2. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek 18 October 2017 18: 39 New
      +4
      Quote: asbond
      "... should now be focused on the release of high-tech civilian products" Maybe it is better to make military products at military factories? And then in perestroika already ate these conversions "give the pan!"

      Some Russian defense industry plants are already doing this technique. In particular, dozens of medical devices are developed and assembled in the workshops and laboratories of the aforementioned Shvabe holding, from incubators and mechanical ventilation devices for newborns to defibrillators.

      The Radioelectronic Technologies Concern (KRET) produces a compact device for monitoring the state of the heart and the entire body of CardioMarker. The medical device registers an electrocardiogram, pulse, and reveals pathologies.
      https://lenta.ru/articles/2017/02/17/oboronka_dly
      a_grazhdanki /
  4. Komsomol
    Komsomol 18 October 2017 15: 04 New
    11
    laughing What, people drank money already in full? laughing laughing laughing
    And so we go basically even a bit ahead
    Well done, what can I say ... request
    1. St Petrov
      St Petrov 18 October 2017 15: 24 New
      +8
      laughing What, drank the money of the people already in full? laughing laughing laughing
      And so we go in principle, even with some advance
      Well done, what can I say ... request


      well it is clear. but on the topic and about rearmament have something to say? and then I went to read comments - and here again the struggle with the authorities and counting cuts
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 18 October 2017 15: 42 New
        +9
        Quote: s-t Petrov
        but on the topic and about rearmament have something to say?

        There is. We have already passed this conversion. It’s somehow impossible to make a cheap tractor out of a tank, and a telescope out of an optical sight. What do you think about this?
        1. St Petrov
          St Petrov 18 October 2017 15: 43 New
          +4
          It’s somehow impossible to make a cheap tractor out of a tank, and a telescope out of an optical sight.


          it's time to learn. the more experience is already sad. must be done wisely. Voenka is good - but not at the expense of other budget items.

        2. Nikolai Grek
          Nikolai Grek 18 October 2017 18: 40 New
          +5
          At another Shvabe enterprise, the Lytkarino Optical Glass Plant, theatrical binoculars are manufactured. Another holding company (Defense and Defense) makes a small telescope TAL-1M with a 65 mm mirror, designed to observe celestial objects.
          https://lenta.ru/articles/2017/02/17/oboronka_dly
          a_grazhdanki /
          1. weksha50
            weksha50 18 October 2017 20: 11 New
            +2
            Quote: Nikolai the Greek
            Lytkarino Optical Glass Factory - manufactured theater binoculars. Another holding company (“Defense and Defense”) makes small telescope TAL-1M with a 65mm mirror designed to observe celestial objects.



            Hmm ... Not a candle to God, not a damn poker ...
            1. Nikolai Grek
              Nikolai Grek 18 October 2017 20: 16 New
              +6
              At the factories of the Engineering Technologies Concern (Techmash), they launched the production of medical refrigerators that allow storing thermolabile (unstable to thermal effects) drugs with strict observance of the temperature range. The holding enterprises also make laboratory combined refrigerators, freezers for blood, immunobiological preparations and vaccines. And the main direction of Techmash is the production of ammunition and special chemicals, multiple launch rocket systems, unguided aerial missiles and aerial bombs. The military products of the concern are supplied to 100 countries. Last year, Techmash released the 40-mm Balkan automatic grenade launcher developed with the Kalashnikov concern with a firing range of 2,5 kilometers
              Techmash enterprises (Research Institute of Applied Chemistry, Signal Plant and Chapaev Cheboksary Production Association) also produce salutes and fireworks, crackers and sparklers. Apart from fireworks, the Research Institute of Applied Chemistry develops table and concert sparkling fountains, small-sized rockets and fireworks, dynamic butterfly toys, sound firecrackers, fire wheels, as well as paintball and airsoft products. At the Nizhny Tagil enterprise of the Plant chemical plant, which is part of Techmash, modern furniture is assembled.
              The products for music lovers and artists are developed and manufactured by the Tula Oktava plant - headsets, studio microphones for all kinds of musical instruments, telephone and microphone capsules. In addition, hearing aids are also made here. Military direction “Octaves” - products for communication devices used in military and civil aviation and on various types of transport.
              it's all right???
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 18 October 2017 22: 00 New
                +3
                Quote: Nikolai the Greek
                Tula plant "Octave"

                It’s okay, only Octave always did this.
          2. japs
            japs 19 October 2017 23: 44 New
            +4
            TAL - 1M is not affordable for a student ... Yes, he is a toy, see the moon and that’s all ...
    2. Mih1974
      Mih1974 18 October 2017 17: 34 New
      +6
      Excuse me hde? request
      Aviation: Su57 - not one serial deja
      Mig-29 - will soon begin to roll in on the "old age of metal"
      "Ruslans" - they just started to produce new ones or are just planning
      "crocodiles" - still fly, although long outdated
      Ilushki - (workhorses) seem to have just begun to produce in Russia, after the destruction of production in Turkmenistan
      Fleet: submarine - there are very few new boats, and most of the old ones it’s time to write off
      the surface fleet is insignificant and I'm not even talking about aircraft carriers,
      BDK - almost none
      TARK - only one and the second has not yet been commissioned, and what will replace it is not standard.
      UAV - here to work and work
      armored vehicles - we are only waiting for the first hundred "armature", and here it’s definitely not limited to a hundred fool
      with infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers - it’s also not clear yet and hundreds, if not thousands, of them are also needed.
      Arta - the “coalition” is still neither here nor there, if they accept the same two hundred and three three (for starters)
      So the purchases of what they decided to reduce? Maybe food for the soldiers? Maybe cottages for generals will stop building - then I’m only for it, but unlikely.
      1. Igor V
        Igor V 18 October 2017 21: 03 New
        0
        "Old metal" is good! Technologies for artificial aging of metal were specially invented, and they did not disdain natural, storing blanks outdoors. Take an interest before writing.
  5. Gardamir
    Gardamir 18 October 2017 15: 08 New
    +3
    And so we go in principle, even with some advance
    ahead of what or whom?
    1. St Petrov
      St Petrov 18 October 2017 15: 22 New
      +6
      Your unworthy struggle leaves a wet mark on Shenderovich’s eyes.
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 18 October 2017 15: 30 New
        0
        track
        How many of you on one account? Here, for example, who wrote https://topwar.ru/127389-prezidentom-rf-podpisan-
        ukaz-o-sankciyah-protiv-kndr.html # comment-id-7452
        094
        1. St Petrov
          St Petrov 18 October 2017 15: 31 New
          +4
          I’m honest, I didn’t insert the link in the browser. sculpt it in 3 parts. I have one account here - I’m not jailing you with the bulk / Kasyanov / Shenderovich / Latynina / Novodv troll
          Orskoy or the fact that Soros transferred $ 5 billion to the Russian Federation in 18 years and the fact that one person can’t deal with such a fight and that your account is probably five

          all the same, I think that you are there for this account is really one - just very much tormented by the struggle
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 18 October 2017 15: 33 New
            +1
            Just then a completely different opinion and normal communication, but today I was again appointed an enemy.
            1. St Petrov
              St Petrov 18 October 2017 15: 34 New
              +4
              because well, you can’t be dissatisfied in every topic. how so at all. at any.

              take a look from the side. It’s as if I were a patriot and would fit in and whitewash Zakharchenko’s billions.

              You do not deny that the rearmament process has been launched under Putin, and that the process is ongoing?
              1. Gardamir
                Gardamir 18 October 2017 21: 56 New
                0
                it is impossible
                I agree one hundred percent. That's only in Soviet times, without any TV was visible what to be proud of. And now the proposal from the most important thing is to make medicine completely paid, taxes on dogs, and so on ...
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 18 October 2017 22: 10 New
                  +9
                  Quote: Gardamir
                  dog taxes ...

                  ... there is an initiative of the Moscow Region Duma. But not at all
                  Quote: Gardamir
                  offer from the most important

                  As always, a little bit of lies, so, count? wink
                  But from this place in more detail, if you can, of course:
                  Quote: Gardamir
                  proposal from the most important thing to make medicine completely paid

                  This is where is this published? I'd love to read ... in the original source.
                  And then it looks like a gonevo, in your, especially, performance ...
  6. weksha50
    weksha50 18 October 2017 15: 09 New
    12
    "Rogozin recalled that the reason for this reduction is quite logical - by 2020, Russia should reach the benchmarks for the re-equipment of the army and navy"...

    Honestly, I am deeply “delving” in the fact that our aircraft are already sufficiently equipped with modern equipment and weapons ... Ooooooc .....
    Let the enterprises of the military-industrial complex on other products ... When they practically only began to breathe in the last 10-15 years ... When the issue of highly professional personnel, training of young specialists was not completely resolved completely ...
    Is this the only salvation of the military-industrial complex - in orders from all sorts of Arabs? In fact - in single-use?
    For example, I would understand if aircraft plants began to produce civilian aircraft, and Russian companies began to buy them and fly them ... However, our Air Force and VKS are not so well equipped with new equipment ...
    I would understand if the shipyards began to build and rebuild the civilian fleet ... Although the same warships we are sorely lacking, including multipurpose submarines ...
    And how many conversations were, that the MRK and the submarines shot in two salvos the WHOLE stock of Caliber ...
    I don’t know ... I would say this: "And Baba Yaga is against" ...
    1. St Petrov
      St Petrov 18 October 2017 15: 28 New
      +3
      To launch defense industry enterprises on other products ...


      to store? fill the storage base after the rearmament takes place?

      foreign customers are those who can help us. and have helped more than once. and if not Arabs and Indians - they wouldn’t see the shell and UVZ would already be without a roof with everything sawn

      1. weksha50
        weksha50 18 October 2017 20: 58 New
        +1
        Quote: s-t Petrov
        to store? fill the storage base after the rearmament takes place?


        You don’t need to exaggerate this way ... I did give an example at the end of my comment with the same Caliber, as in VO they were joking that the MRCs had been shot last stock, and for the salvo of submarines the plant worked for three months in three shifts ...
        What does it have to do with storage? I specifically say that in our Armed Forces it is still far from smart to equip with modern weapons and equipment, and I do not see point-blank that all of a sudden this will appear in 2020 and the military-industrial complex enterprises will have nothing to do ...
        There were two comments at the top. The first one is that factories of the military-industrial complex began to produce high-tech modern medical equipment ... This is good ... But another comment suggests that the Lytkarinsky Optical Plant began to produce theater binoculars and small telescopes (such as in leisure parks and on embankments stand) ... This is normal ???
        And I didn’t say anything against the orders of Arabs and Indians that survived the defense industry enterprises, but said that they NOW have become almost single-time on a general scale ... Not the same volumes already, and they don’t will allow the defense industry enterprises to stay afloat ...
    2. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 18 October 2017 16: 09 New
      +2
      Quote: weksha50
      Honestly, I am deeply “delving” in the fact that our aircraft are already sufficiently equipped with modern equipment and weapons ... Ooooooc .....
      I agree, Armata still doesn’t enter the troops, like the T-50, Il-112, project 22350 frigates, landing fleet, minesweepers, Mig-35 - will everything be okay by the year 20 ?!
      I think so, just the protracted expectation of high oil prices leads to the fact that money is sorely lacking, so the cost reduction is coming
      1. St Petrov
        St Petrov 18 October 2017 21: 02 New
        0
        when the pipe to China, Turkey and SP2 will be finished - then money will appear =]

        I think our budget is waiting for the end of these construction projects. money will be released. Well, it’s going to arrive after some time =]
      2. weksha50
        weksha50 18 October 2017 21: 07 New
        +4
        Quote: Stirbjorn
        I think so, just the protracted expectation of high oil prices leads to the fact that money is sorely lacking, so the cost reduction is coming


        That is the whole essence of our non-our guides and their lovers ...
        Is there not enough money in the treasury? Even to me, far from a financier and an economist, it’s ridiculous ...
        Who prevents the introduction of a progressive tax? Well, the so-called luxury tax ???
        How many years the national electronic payment system does not work with us as it should ??? Why is cash still strolling in stores, even large ones, in various service enterprises ??? Why is there a huge crowd of fat aunts sitting in the tax authorities, whose bellies, asses and boobs do not fit in uniform lapserds ???
        The task of the tax authorities is to observe and scrub !!! And the primary task is to replenish the budget !!!
        Why the mass of laws is not executed ??? Everyone has already forgotten about the maximum of the notorious trade allowance - the traders wind up a lot more, in some ways more than 100% ... This also applies to food and medicine, and yes ... And it’s absolutely illegal for them to provide any of us bills, so that we can see at what price they bought and for what - they sell to us, although the first two or three months after this law was issued, both the shopkeepers and the pharmacists observed this rule ...
        There is not enough money in the budget, the budget deficit ... Dima ... Anatolyevich ... don’t tell my slippers ...
        The government is tired of working ... Although, to be honest, it didn’t puff too much ... It’s enough to raise excise taxes and pick some other garbage from the nostrils ... Another question is whether it’s from the nostrils ... angry
  7. Billgejtz
    Billgejtz 18 October 2017 15: 10 New
    +3
    Journalists, where is Rogozin’s phrase about a "serious reduction" in the share of state defense orders?
    not tired of throwing substance on the fan?
  8. Tusv
    Tusv 18 October 2017 15: 27 New
    +3
    Let's try to cut the budget. The triad and air defense are not discussed, the Yankees will bury at 20 meters per second, if we, the evil creatures were not there.
    And who should be reduced, Mr. Rogozin? Us Evil Beasts? We need to feed and go nuts !!! Protect!!!!!
    And how to protect: Do you know? If I don’t protect the Moreman, aka laces, and they don’t cover us with boots, what will happen ?. - The desert. So don’t suffer garbage and move to Vladimir Vladimirovich with a proposal, and not with any garbage am
  9. kenig1
    kenig1 18 October 2017 15: 29 New
    +1
    Quote: kenig1
    Where do you know all-know?
  10. Gale
    Gale 18 October 2017 15: 29 New
    +5
    We see in Syria the results of our military-industrial complex
    ---------------------
    Well, yes, the war against the Papuans who run with Kalash and drive through the deserts on carts is definitely an indicator laughing
    1. St Petrov
      St Petrov 18 October 2017 15: 44 New
      +4
      Well, yes, the war against the Papuans who run with Kalash and drive through the deserts on carts is definitely an indicator


      a coalition of 60 states does not bother this circumstance. Or are they not worthy of your irony?
      1. Gale
        Gale 18 October 2017 16: 03 New
        +5
        what the coalition is doing there, we all know very well ..
        it's about another ... aircraft carriers, they are only against the Papuans, right? Iraq and Yugoslavia were supposedly backward states without modern weapons, in other words, the same Papuans as local "experts" like to say .. They say this is never an indicator of the level of the entire United States.
        Whether the case is Syria and the war against the igil ... here they are literally fighting against the Papuans, and bragging over the edge ... what efficiency can the VKS prove against an enemy who has no means at all to counter you ... you’re flying at least 5 km and you calmly bomb while remaining invulnerable ... this is the level right? I don’t see here the fundamental difference between bombing in exercises at a military training ground, or in Syria.
        And if tomorrow is a war with the enemy who will have at least some sort of aviation and air defense? will Georgia 2.0 or worse?
    2. Siberia55
      Siberia55 18 October 2017 16: 17 New
      +4
      Papuans with Kalash, you say?
      Well, even if for my own development I would have watched the video, what kind of weapons the Papuans have. The states and sub-staffs are far from arming the "moderate opposition" with slingshots.
  11. bald
    bald 18 October 2017 15: 32 New
    +1
    But is it not early to reduce, within the framework of the state defense order ?! The time is not calm, or it will still be - but it will also be cooler to tighten the nuts and tie the military, to some extent, hands. I personally am an opponent of this.
    1. St Petrov
      St Petrov 18 October 2017 15: 42 New
      +2
      Well, since 2008, the process. money would have to be freed up for medicine, for example. It’s just that we have to plan this business as planned, rather than spending at 5% of GDP

      The time is certainly not calm, but financial injections will not stop tomorrow either.
      1. bald
        bald 18 October 2017 15: 59 New
        +1
        In me, until now, the sediment has not fermented, after Serdyukov. Therefore, I perceive any attempt on the military-industrial complex as a betrayal of the interests of the state. Do not touch the military commissar, but strict control of course. It’s a pity that I can’t justify with figures (classified information), arms sales and technology to other states. There is a lot of money on contracts.
        1. Siberia55
          Siberia55 18 October 2017 16: 09 New
          +2
          Reducing the defense order is not an end! The army will continue to rearm and understaff, but not by leaps and bounds.
          1. bald
            bald 18 October 2017 16: 15 New
            0
            We just need a lot now, my opinion. Count the points at which there will be a military conflict, Syria is only the beginning.
      2. Nikolai Grek
        Nikolai Grek 18 October 2017 18: 49 New
        +5
        Quote: s-t Petrov
        money would have to be freed up for medicine, for example.

        honestly, not so little is spent on medicine !!! repeat repeat I think this stereotype was taken from us because we look only at the federal budget medicine expenses !! fool negative laughing and so more than 3 shakers go costs !!! wassat tongue lol

        The state’s expenditures on health and education are much greater than the Russians think, and in total exceed even the costs of the military and security forces. This follows from a study by RBC of the budget system
        Of the funds planned by the 2017 consolidated budget for the five main items of expenditure, healthcare will receive more than a quarter: 3,5 trillion rubles, or 11% of the expenditure. At the same time, the state planned to spend only 363 billion rubles on the federal budget for health.
        At the same time, in general, in the budget system, health care spending will only grow in the next three years - from 3,5 trillion rubles. in 2017, up to 3,9 trillion rubles. in 2019. For comparison: spending on national defense in these three years will remain at the same level - 2,8 trillion rubles. This allows us to hope that both hospitals and clinics will at least not worsen their situation.

        http://www.rbc.ru/economics/14/12/2016/584fd32e9a
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        1. St Petrov
          St Petrov 18 October 2017 19: 02 New
          +1
          interesting information. thank
          1. Nikolai Grek
            Nikolai Grek 18 October 2017 20: 01 New
            +4
            Quote: c-Petrov
            interesting information. thank

            you're welcome!! good drinks drinks drinks lol By the way, in general, the article is informative with interesting info !! good as I understand it, the liberals took the fashion of quoting expenditures only from the federal budget, misleading the people in this way !!! wassat wassat wassat laughing recently, for the sake of interest, I looked at the figure of the consolidated budget of the Russian Federation ... a rather impressive figure - 31 shudders !!! wassat wassat wassat
        2. weksha50
          weksha50 18 October 2017 21: 27 New
          +3
          Quote: Nikolai the Greek
          The state’s spending on health and education is much greater than the Russians think, and in sum even exceed the costs of the military and security forces. This follows from a study by RBC budget system


          Hmm ... Tell me this, a disabled person of the second group ...
          So, in September, my wife underwent surgery - they removed the gall bladder ... What is the amount that the operation cost two pensioners?
          Now I have at least two operations ahead ... And they tell me that they are unlikely to be able to allocate a quota, since they allocate very, very little for a year ... And the amounts are wild ...
          Here we look at the Government’s decree (sorry, not at hand, but rather fresh and effective), signed by Medvedev, in which there is a huge list of medical "services" and operations paid by the government ... There are also my operations and the alleged benefits to me ...
          But in reality - they are not ...
          Do not think that I’m writing in bitterness ... Absolutely not ... Just stating a fact on my own, but I know dozens of such cases ...
          And, by the way, the doctors themselves say that the Ministry of Health in particular, and the Government - in general, all leads to the fact that medicine was paid ...
          And with might and main they are introducing pilot projects in the regions in which half of the medical "services" in compulsory medical insurance become paid ...
          So your information is on paper, this government beautifully draws tables and diagrams for the electorate, how it takes care of the people ... hi
        3. would
          would 19 October 2017 07: 11 New
          +1
          This should be shown to doctors. And then they were once again paid a salary, other payments were cut, and the general salary again became less, together with the de jure fulfillment of the GDP order. I don’t even want to talk about how to buy medicines that ultimately do not work and equipment that breaks down every other day (the cheapest is purchased on a tender) and is not repaired under warranty.

          And then there are already more than a million HIV-infected people in the country and who in a number of regions refuse to give out therapy. She just doesn’t, but the fact that before she dies HIV will turn into walking tuberculosis does not bother anyone. In other regions where the situation is better, they barely keep the mark of 30% of those receiving therapy while the whole world is striving for 99%. Well, you think you’ll infect everyone with tuberculosis, and we will answer them asymmetrically and reduce the cost of treatment and prevention of tuberculosis! Less treatment, less tuberculosis.

          Here they read this article and rejoice! negative
      3. weksha50
        weksha50 18 October 2017 21: 18 New
        +3
        Quote: s-t Petrov
        Well, since 2008, the process. money would have to be freed up for medicine, for example.


        No one says that this is not necessary ... However, here personally I am enraged by the position of Kudrin, DAM and their hangers-on ... If you cut it, it’s only military spending, since there is no money ...
        Guys, even Americans say that Russia is the richest country ... Why do not our clerk-boyars see any economic mechanisms and ways to replenish the budget not only from oil profits ??? I personally am not sure that from Gazprom and other non-poor organizations exactly 20% of the profits to the state budget go exactly .... Well, I don’t believe it - that's all.
        Our government is looking for ways to save money by raising the retirement age and lowering social expenses ... But the number of billionaires is growing, breeding like rabbits in Australia ...
        Where is the progressive tax ??? Wait ??? How many years snot a draft law in the Duma, grease and brake? "Finishing it up," mil ...
        Ugh ... Petrov, useless conversation, and to argue US - in fact, nothing ...
        It turns out that we’re breaking spears here, and in the government we’re picking their nose with iPhones ... THEM - absolutely do not give a damn about the country, the state, the people living in this territory ... THEY ARE ALIEN, and it's time to understand ...
        So in January, the United States will begin to crush their denyuzhki in foreign banks - that’s all their vile face and crawls out ...
  12. fzr1000
    fzr1000 18 October 2017 15: 59 New
    +1
    Rogozin, and the mass of other bureaucrats, is better to chew. Is always.
  13. Eurodav
    Eurodav 18 October 2017 16: 12 New
    +3
    Quote: kenig1
    From where do you know all-know?

    Yes, they Ragozin, like a red rag! If only to cling to the trampoline to reduce all the fuss! I do not defend him, I just know in advance what will happen, catch a glimpse of this name! So now, I looked, came in, for sure!
  14. Eurodav
    Eurodav 18 October 2017 16: 13 New
    +1
    Quote: bald
    In me, until now, the sediment has not fermented, after Serdyukov. Therefore, I perceive any attempt on the military-industrial complex as a betrayal of the interests of the state. Do not touch the military commissar, but strict control of course. It’s a pity that I can’t justify with figures (classified information), arms sales and technology to other states. There is a lot of money on contracts.

    This is in the next branch, to Siluan! Ragozin does not manage the loot ...
  15. VadimSt
    VadimSt 18 October 2017 16: 38 New
    +1
    A lot of idle talk, in the field of affairs, where it is not recommended to talk about!
  16. polev66
    polev66 18 October 2017 16: 57 New
    +2
    here’s a chatterbox ... for starters, the troops would be saturated with modern weapons, armatures, su-57, air defense, Strategic Missile Forces, the fleet would be updated, and then it would be reduced for the sake of buying American bonds
  17. APASUS
    APASUS 18 October 2017 18: 34 New
    +1
    Now it’s worth paying attention to the further fate of the military-industrial complex, so that it doesn’t work out as before, they simply abandoned it. In essence, the state should guarantee a minimum order and expansion of capacities for related civilian production.
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    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 19 October 2017 08: 39 New
      0
      Others will understand the Moon. And it seems that Russia among them, as well as flights to Mars from our side, will not.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 19 October 2017 08: 41 New
      +1
      Next year, this person will leave his post, so that you can already put on what he said.
  19. pafegosoff
    pafegosoff 19 October 2017 12: 21 New
    +1
    To invest trillions in the US economy was aimed, as the Maydans would happily say. And our Nabiulins enthusiastically transfer Russian profits to US banks, the Fed and offshore.
    The Russian government hates Russians fiercely. All these Grefs, kudrins, mudrins (their name is Legion!). How much more can we endure this crappy government? They don’t have money ... I immediately remember: "The dowry is empty?"