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The 4 year of the “war with Russia” was on. Ukraine terminated the agreement with the Russian Federation on military enterprises

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After more than three years of ubiquitous announcements that Ukraine "is holding back the Russian hordes, being the eastern stronghold of Europe," Kiev has taken the following decision: the agreement with the Russian Federation on military enterprises has been terminated. We are talking about an intergovernmental agreement with the Russian Federation on the preservation of the specialization of enterprises and organizations involved in the manufacture of military products.


The 4 year of the “war with Russia” was on. Ukraine terminated the agreement with the Russian Federation on military enterprises


Today, the decision to terminate the agreement was made during a meeting of the Ukrainian Cabinet of Ministers. This is reported by the Ukrainian media. The agreement is valid from the year 2005.

The agreement provided for a ban on the transfer to any third party of materials, components produced at military enterprises as part of joint programs, as well as documentation relating to the activities of such enterprises. The ban could be lifted only by mutual consent of the two parties to an agreement. Ukraine decided that termination would also be an option. The termination of the agreement opened up for Ukraine the possibility of supplying components and documents for military purposes, which were previously corporate elements of interaction with the Russian Federation, to any foreign countries. After the transfer of rocket engines to North Korea by Ukraine, bypassing sanctions, there are no prohibitions for Ukraine, in its understanding, at all.

Recall that in early August of this year, in Kiev, an agreement was terminated with Russia concerning the regulation of the order of interaction between Russian and Ukrainian enterprises when exporting military and dual-use products.
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  1. Dezinto
    Dezinto 18 October 2017 14: 15
    +9
    They really don’t understand that they have stolen all over their heads? And how does all this look ridiculous?
    1. Tatyana
      Tatyana 18 October 2017 14: 20
      18
      Yes, it is not the people of Ukraine who decide, but the administrative-colonial power of the United States in the Kiev junta!
      1. hrych
        hrych 18 October 2017 15: 34
        11
        Quote: Tatiana
        in junta Kiev

      2. Nikolai Grek
        Nikolai Grek 18 October 2017 20: 46
        +5
        Quote: Tatiana
        Yes, it is not the people of Ukraine who decide, but the administrative-colonial power of the United States in the Kiev junta!

        Now the people do not need to fence off the current !!! negative negative negative wassat wassat wassat
        1. Maverick1812
          Maverick1812 19 October 2017 06: 28
          +1
          I agree! Kakly flooded all of Russia: the North, Moscow (Tverskaya) are just dill enclaves. Here the loot is earned, and then they jump and they scam us!
    2. Finches
      Finches 18 October 2017 14: 22
      21
      They are acting according to a script approved in Washington! The only thing Americans miscalculated in and did not watch was that the GDP would crush Crimea so famously, and without Crimea, Ukraine is like a eunuch — a lot of screeching and little use! ...
      1. Partyzan
        Partyzan 18 October 2017 14: 26
        +8
        Quote: Finches
        Therefore, now with a black sheep at least a tuft of wool, otherwise it’s somehow sour ...
        Really striped still not all documentation on military technologies have been selected?
        1. Finches
          Finches 18 October 2017 14: 29
          15
          The Americans, they are naturally inhibited, do everything according to the instructions, and sometimes the instruction without such a mother doesn’t work - somehow in 1945 they squeezed out all the documentation and even von Braun with a couple of Fau, but the first Gagarin flew into space anyway ! laughing
          1. Partyzan
            Partyzan 18 October 2017 14: 32
            +8
            Quote: Finches
            Americans, they are by nature

            it is already a diagnosis good
            1. Monos
              Monos 18 October 2017 17: 24
              +7
              After Ukraine transferred rocket engines to the DPRK, bypassing sanctions, there are no bans for Ukraine, in its understanding, at all.

              So, soon "the whole civilized world" will begin to ask Russia to somehow calm down these gidnyuk.
              1. Partyzan
                Partyzan 18 October 2017 18: 01
                +5
                Quote: Monos
                So, soon "the whole civilized world" will begin to ask Russia to somehow calm down these gidnyuk.

                this world doesn’t need this, they prefer instability at our borders
                1. Monos
                  Monos 18 October 2017 18: 16
                  +6
                  Greetings Bob! hi
                  Quote: Partyzan
                  this world doesn’t need this, they prefer instability at our borders

                  smile So it’s so ... Only the Khokhlyat instability is unique in that it can flood all around with miasms, evenly. She is isotropic. Khokhlam doesn’t care whom to shit and who owes them.
                  1. Partyzan
                    Partyzan 18 October 2017 18: 34
                    +9
                    Quote: Monos
                    Khokhlam doesn’t care whom to shit and who owes them.

                    1. serezhasoldatow
                      serezhasoldatow 18 October 2017 21: 05
                      +2
                      Laughing with the whole family, printed. Tomorrow at work I'll put it under glass.
              2. Lelek
                Lelek 18 October 2017 18: 33
                +4
                Quote: Monos
                will begin to ask Russia to somehow calm down these gidnyuk.


                Hello Victor. Today, another "gidnyukom" has become less.
                1. Monos
                  Monos 18 October 2017 19: 37
                  +5
                  Good evening, Leo! hi

                  Quote: Lelek
                  Today, another "gidnyukom" has become less.

                  Good but not enough!
          2. Dedall
            Dedall 18 October 2017 22: 04
            +1
            Dear, it was the Russian troops that were too fast, capturing half of Germany and almost the whole of Czechia in spite of the efforts of England and the United States. And in those territories there were just engine and aircraft manufacturing plants. For example, the Junkers factories, together with its jet engine factory. As my grandfather said, they were all taken out cleanly from them. True, in the beginning we put everything in the field. But the MiG-17 flew in the 47th!
        2. den3080
          den3080 18 October 2017 14: 30
          +2
          all and a long time, even with Kravchuk, Kuchma and Yushche.
          the sweetest were the Kravchuk times, I suppose.
          but nonchet someone stung that it would be necessary to do it de jure
        3. weksha50
          weksha50 18 October 2017 15: 20
          +2
          Quote: Partyzan
          Really striped still not all documentation on military technologies have been selected?


          Here I had a thought about the current modernization of strategic missiles - nuclear weapons carriers in the USA ... Our Satan-Voivode stood across their throats ... And here they can present all the documentation and technologies on a silver platter ... Which, most likely, was done ... Now amers will earn extra money at the modern level - both economy and combat readiness will increase ...
          1. polev66
            polev66 18 October 2017 16: 53
            +1
            Do you think there are all the technologies on southeast? if it were so, they would have done Satan in American long ago ...
            1. weksha50
              weksha50 18 October 2017 16: 54
              0
              Quote: polev66
              Do you think there are all the technologies on southeast?


              Let not all ... Although - they should have been ... If they have not already been sold ... Not necessarily the USA ... The same Eun is not in vain that he so aggressively attacks the USA ...
          2. Partyzan
            Partyzan 18 October 2017 18: 36
            +5
            Quote: weksha50
            Now amers earn extra money at the modern level

            a file? laughing
          3. pensioneree
            pensioneree 18 October 2017 18: 53
            0
            Lord! It seems that “son or daughter” came to PAPA in return?
          4. serezhasoldatow
            serezhasoldatow 18 October 2017 21: 07
            0
            We have not grown to our technologies to make unique rockets.
          5. CAT BAIYUN
            CAT BAIYUN 19 October 2017 00: 06
            +7
            Now amers earn extra money at the modern level

            - here I doubt it. They seem to have a complete set of documentation for RD 190 for 10 years now as it is. But they honestly admitted - we can’t. We still need about 15 years and then we will do exactly the same engine. They even have test benches not closed (I apologize for the non-specialized terms), but simply atmospheric "tables". That is, they could have saddled it, but it really doesn’t work out to experience it at all. And now our engines are buying.
            And separate documentation is far from everything. Without specialists imprisoned for this, it’s just a mountain of documents.
      2. zoolu350
        zoolu350 19 October 2017 06: 23
        0
        But the oligarchy of the Russian Federation did not foresee that the owners of the Fed would famously squeeze out almost ALL of Ukraine. But partnering with banderlogs does not cease. We survived, already the banderlogs did not allow the oligarchy of the Russian Federation to supply spare parts for the APU equipment, with which Russian people are destroyed in the Donbass.
    3. LiSiCyn
      LiSiCyn 18 October 2017 14: 32
      +6
      They don’t understand the campaign .. Or the inflamed brain cannot accept reality. I still wonder if they will again vote for their "goats" in the elections? Imagine a picture ... Elections in Ukre ... Counting of votes .. And in each ballot, all candidates are crossed out and added: Putin and a "tick" laughing Here they go nuts ... Py. Sy. I am writing without a mat, because, only from the guardhouse.
      1. weksha50
        weksha50 18 October 2017 15: 23
        +2
        Quote: LiSiCyn
        I still wonder if they will again vote for their "goats" in the elections? Imagine a picture ...


        I recently spoke about a friend’s trip to Odessa region ... In words, the people there are for unity and brotherhood with Russia ... But they are frightened and intimidated, no one will fight with anyone .... Now, if someone had come and overcame ... So they will vote for the same Kozzles, if not worse ...
        1. Nikolai Grek
          Nikolai Grek 18 October 2017 20: 52
          +7
          Quote: weksha50
          But - intimidated and intimidated, no one will fight with anyone .... Now, if someone came and fought ...

          what what what Well this is a classic hutaskray !!! wassat wassat wassat Well and to us "unity and brotherhood" with such characters ??? negative negative negative laughing laughing laughing
      2. Lelek
        Lelek 18 October 2017 18: 40
        +2
        Quote: LiSiCyn
        And in each ballot, all candidates are crossed out and added: Putin and the “checkmark”


        Hey. It seems that the surname Putin is becoming popular and omnipotent not only in "Europe", but also in dill scumbags.
    4. volodya
      volodya 18 October 2017 14: 43
      +7
      Quote: DEZINTO
      They really don’t understand that they have stolen all over their heads? And how does all this look ridiculous?

      He is a madhouse! It looks something like this:but we all think, where else can they go?
    5. weksha50
      weksha50 18 October 2017 15: 17
      0
      Quote: DEZINTO
      They really don’t understand that they have stolen all over their heads? And how does all this look ridiculous?


      Hmm ... Why is it ridiculous ???
      "The termination of the agreement opened up the possibility for Ukraine of the supply of components and documentation for military purposes, which previously were corporate elements of interaction with the Russian Federation, to any foreign countries."[i] [/ i] ...

      Here, the supply of DPRK rocket engines may turn out so trifle ...
      How do you like the Voyevoda UR100 missiles with modifications (Satan according to NATO classification), or the RT23UTTX Scalpel from Molodets-BZHRK ????
      If you haven’t stolen everything yet by stupidity and sold for cents, many of which, having broken off military-technical cooperation with Russia, can be sold out ... what
    6. Lelek
      Lelek 18 October 2017 18: 28
      0
      Quote: DEZINTO
      They really don’t understand that they have stolen all over their heads?


      What for? It’s hard to live with understanding. Well, take at least this:
      What do you think of this tracing paper taken from? Right, dezinto. yes
  2. Livonetc
    Livonetc 18 October 2017 14: 15
    +3
    What weapons Kraintsy.
    They will be an appendage in the production of technical agricultural crops and a supplier of slave power.
  3. Guillon
    Guillon 18 October 2017 14: 17
    +4
    Come on Ukraine - undress, lie down! request
    1. d ^ Amir
      d ^ Amir 18 October 2017 14: 24
      +3
      with the term "Ukraine", please be more careful .... if only because the term "Zalessky Ukrainians" existed ... quite a while ago .... and "Trans-Ural Ukrainians" is the same .... and so .... the place is already Busy .... Americans use everything there ....
  4. d ^ Amir
    d ^ Amir 18 October 2017 14: 22
    +3
    "Psychiatry News" section "Everyday life of the mentally ill" chapter "Our Achievements" ...... and breaks every day ...
    1. Lelek
      Lelek 18 October 2017 18: 45
      0
      Quote: d ^ Amir
      and peremoga every day ...


      Hey. Peremoga speak? And then what is the zrad?
      1. d ^ Amir
        d ^ Amir 18 October 2017 18: 46
        +4
        Well, zrada is not in terms of psychiatry ...
  5. Wolka
    Wolka 18 October 2017 14: 24
    +1
    ... a woman with a cart is easier ...
  6. Gardamir
    Gardamir 18 October 2017 14: 34
    +1
    Cool comments. As if your beloved wife is leaving, and you scream after you, you will disappear without me. If you really consider Ukrainians stolen, then a legitimate question arises, but why does our government communicate with madmen, as with normal ones?
    1. askort154
      askort154 18 October 2017 14: 48
      +4
      Gardamir ...... why does our government communicate with the crazy, as with the normal?

      With a madman one must speak his language. Example: Doctor, am I Napolion?
      Yes, of course, the doctor answers. Otherwise, the doctor will have to waste nerves and time,
      proving to the patient why he is not Napolion .. wink
    2. weksha50
      weksha50 18 October 2017 15: 25
      +3
      Quote: Gardamir
      why does our government communicate with the crazy, as with the normal?



      Duc ... probably ... comrade ... recourse Our power ... a little ... also brainless ... request
      1. Catherine II
        Catherine II 18 October 2017 20: 31
        +2
        Quote: weksha50
        Our power ... a little ... brainless too

        nothing they are not brainless .. just traffickers / bandits, just did not agree on the price.
  7. vanek77
    vanek77 18 October 2017 14: 38
    11
    The sad news came from Syria. The legend of the defense of Deir ez-Zora, General Issam Zahreddin (Grandfather) was killed.
    Eternal memory to him.
  8. Kerensky
    Kerensky 18 October 2017 14: 43
    0
    Well, with technology, everything is clear, it’s already long gone. As I understand it, there were materials and components left. And the move came to them. And what about the 4th year, so maybe only now the buyer has appeared.
  9. anjey
    anjey 18 October 2017 15: 26
    +2
    But how does the Lipetsk chocolate factory on the territory of the aggressor function? Gone underground?
    1. Lelek
      Lelek 18 October 2017 18: 48
      0
      Quote: anjey
      Gone underground?


      It produces products, pays taxes of the Russian Federation, and drips profit to the owner. And about the "underground" - this is a completely different story.
  10. Eurodav
    Eurodav 18 October 2017 16: 18
    +1
    Quote: Tatiana
    Yes, it is not the people of Ukraine who decide, but the administrative-colonial power of the United States in the Kiev junta!

    So what? This phrase is not sorely filled? So this is a disgrace for such a people! No? And the people of Ukraine are going to get out of the stove and start to decide something?
  11. Eurodav
    Eurodav 18 October 2017 16: 20
    0
    Quote: vanek77
    The sad news came from Syria. The legend of the defense of Deir ez-Zora, General Issam Zahreddin (Grandfather) was killed.
    Eternal memory to him.

    Yeah ... the news is still that ... Sorry for the man!
  12. gurzuf
    gurzuf 18 October 2017 16: 54
    0
    Quote: Gillaton
    Come on Ukraine - undress, lie down! request

    Undress on the bill, so she’s been naked for a long time, and lie down on the bill, so many have tried her for a long time, they just don’t marry ..
  13. Proud.
    Proud. 18 October 2017 17: 12
    0
    And now, Song !!! (True! This is such a song!)
  14. evil partisan
    evil partisan 18 October 2017 18: 17
    +2
    It seems to me that so-and-so "professionals" came to power in Ukraine, that they did not even bother to study the entire contractual base of Ukraine-Russia. And only as the next contract or agreement “pops up” they immediately frantically run to cancel it. And such contracts and agreements, I suspect, are not enough ...
  15. APASUS
    APASUS 18 October 2017 18: 47
    +2
    Quote: vanek77
    The sad news came from Syria. The legend of the defense of Deir ez-Zora, General Issam Zahreddin (Grandfather) was killed.
    Eternal memory to him.

    Yeah, sorry man. Eternal memory!
    He has a cool chevron
  16. Bondik05
    Bondik05 18 October 2017 18: 51
    0
    Well, personally, I am waiting for an unexpected breakthrough in the range and combat load of Comrade Un's ballistic missiles.
  17. prior
    prior 18 October 2017 19: 09
    +1
    It was the 4th year of the "war with Russia."

    And the friendship agreement between Ukraine and Russia continued to operate.
    1. Catherine II
      Catherine II 18 October 2017 20: 47
      0
      Quote: prior
      And the friendship agreement between Ukraine and Russia continued to operate.

      The big deal remains untouchable. Since it regulates all relations between the Russian Federation and Ukraine on the fragments of the USSR. Because it contains territorial security guarantees. True, it is legally difficult to use. It separately states that both parties should agree among themselves.
      But this agreement is fundamental to the security of Russian citizens in Ukraine. Despite some threats, there are enough Russian citizens in Ukraine who have the same rights as Ukrainians, except the right to vote and be elected (well, to work in public services).
      By the way, if it hadn’t been, a hot war would have blazed since 2014 .... (my opinion)
      Automatically renewed at 2009. At 10 years.
      And not only him. Is there some more
      AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION AND UKRAINE ON THE RUSSIAN-UKRAINIAN STATE BORDER.
      It is valid. There is Ukraine with the Crimea and half of the Sea of ​​Azov (it is common, but the Kerch Strait is Ukrainian)
      The legal base of Ukrainian-Russian relations today is 358 of international documents regulating a wide range of issues of bilateral interaction of states, including trade and economic, scientific and technical, humanitarian, law enforcement and other areas.
      There is always something to cancel. But cancel the trifle. And the one that is really not relevant.
      The author is wrong, no one has proved about the transfer of engines in the DPRK. Found a similarity in technology. Have voiced the opportunity.
      1. SergeBS
        SergeBS 18 October 2017 23: 07
        0
        Quote: Catherine II
        It is valid. There is Ukraine with the Crimea and half of the Sea of ​​Azov (it is common, but the Kerch Strait is Ukrainian)

        Where are they building the Kerch bridge? In the Ukrainian Strait? laughing
        Maybe also the Ukrainian Crimea? laughing
  18. serezhasoldatow
    serezhasoldatow 18 October 2017 20: 55
    0
    Again (again) Russia led by Putin is to blame! But nothing the West will help them.
  19. Old26
    Old26 18 October 2017 23: 20
    +2
    Well, in fact, the agreements between Ukraine and Russia ceased to exist several years ago. at least 3-4. Now Yuzhmash owes the Russian side of EMNIP about $ 5 million for outstanding work. Design support of UMZ products now leads the Makeev center

    Quote: weksha50
    Quote: Partyzan
    Really striped still not all documentation on military technologies have been selected?

    Here I had a thought about the current modernization of strategic missiles - nuclear weapons carriers in the USA ... Our Satan-Voivode stood across their throats ... And here they can present all the documentation and technologies on a silver platter ... Which, most likely, was done ... Now amers will earn extra money at the modern level - both economy and combat readiness will increase ...

    I did not understand. Strategic missiles or launch vehicles. Sorry, but these are two different things. launch vehicles are space rockets. Strategic US missiles do not need our technologies from Yuzhmash. For forty years now, Americans have not had liquid rockets. According to solid fuel technology, they, unfortunately, are ahead of us. Even the documentation on the RS-22 "Well done" will not bring anything new for Americans. The fuel for them was created with us,
    Technology also will not bring results to the Americans. To take advantage of our technology, they would have to completely redo their entire industry. Do they need it?

    Quote: serezhasoldatow
    We have not grown to our technologies to make unique rockets.

    Do not underestimate American rocket technology and overestimate ours. On solid fuel they are, alas, ahead of us. To do this, just compare their Trident-2 and our P-39.

    Quote: weksha50
    Hmm ... Why is it ridiculous ???
    "The termination of the agreement opened up the possibility for Ukraine of the supply of components and documentation for military purposes, which previously were corporate elements of interaction with the Russian Federation, to any foreign countries." [I] [/ i] ...

    Here, the supply of DPRK rocket engines may turn out so trifle ...
    How do you like the Voyevoda UR100 missiles with modifications (Satan according to NATO classification), or the RT23UTTX Scalpel from Molodets-BZHRK ????
    If you haven’t stolen everything yet by stupidity and sold for cents, many of which, having broken off military-technical cooperation with Russia, can be sold out ...

    The supply of the 60s engine to Korea is of course too much. But it is unlikely that the deliveries were somehow significant. But they could transfer production technologies. But the Koreans had to redo the engine, because he just did not get on a North Korean rocket
    Delivering technology to countries where there are no conditions for them makes sense. Why, for example, supply the same engines or their production technologies to the same Yemen if there is no rocket industry there

    And a little with designations you, sorry, were mistaken. The Voivode was never a UR-100. The UR-100 missile, as well as the UR-100N and UR-100N UTTH missiles, are Chelomei missiles. The first in the west was designated SS-10 "Sego", and we have 8K84 and 15A20 depending on the modifications, the second SS-19 "Stiletto" or 15A30 and 15A35
    The missile family, which included the Voivode in the west, really had the designation SS-18 Satan, but for us it had the designations R-36M or 15A14, R-36M UTTH or 15A18, and finally the last modification was designated R-36M2 or 15A18M and own name "Governor". True, initially the indices were different, but so that the rocket did not violate the contract (and it violated) they changed the index and declared it as a modification of the previous one


    Quote: Bondik05
    Well, personally, I am waiting for an unexpected breakthrough in the range and combat load of Comrade Un's ballistic missiles.
    1. SergeBS
      SergeBS 18 October 2017 23: 58
      0
      Quote: Old26
      True, initially the indices were different, but so that the rocket did not violate the contract (and it violated) they changed the index and declared it as a modification of the previous

      And if “to look into the depths of history”, then there was a disarmament agreement, according to which both the Russian Federation and the USA should utilize the MS with nuclear weapons. The Russian Federation utilized it, but p-e-n-dos, under the pretext of "building a plant failed" - these MS were placed in warehouses. Well, who violated the contract FIRST?
      The same p-e-n-dos have unilaterally violated the ABM treaty as well.
      So do not talk about violations. It looks painfully one-sided - when the USA violates, it’s normal, and when the RF AFTER the USA ALSO violates the same agreement - "ah-ah, how is it, after all, there was a CONTRACT, and that we, arrogant Saxons, violated it - it doesn’t count! We are so" gentlemen "arrogant Saxons, we can!".
      1. SergeBS
        SergeBS 19 October 2017 20: 59
        0
        Add details: UR-100, it is also 8K84 - the first capsule (container, when I studied it) system. The product is in the container, at least MOT until the container is damaged is ready for war. And if necessary, the container was removed from the warehouse, delivered where it turned out approximately vertically, an inertial route was put in, and "went, darling." 2nd wave of inevitable retaliation. "Drank" their nafig all by 1993.
        And “Satan” is the granddaughter of 8K84.
        And Yangel's roots. As there is a proverb: "Korolev works for TASS, Yangel for us, and Chelomei for the toilet."
  20. Old26
    Old26 19 October 2017 01: 57
    0
    Quote: SergeBS
    And if “to look deeper into history”, then there was a disarmament agreement, according to which both the Russian Federation and the USA should utilize the MS with nuclear weapons. The Russian Federation utilized it, but p-e-n-dos, under the pretext of "building a plant failed" - these MS were placed in warehouses. Well, who violated the contract FIRST? .


    I would be very grateful if you bring here
    1. Name of contract
    2. Article number and subparagraph,
    by which WE DESTROYED our warheads. Utilized by us and the Americans exclusively HOUSING warheads. The charges themselves, the so-called both we and the Americans stocked the physical package and only then did they partially dispose of it. The Americans, no matter how you would not believe in it, just as we have disposed of our warheads. If you wish, you can find materials on the disposal by the American side of warheads located in warehouses and in arsenals. In particular, 10 years ago, all nuclear warheads from the American Tomahawks of sea and land based were disposed of. So if now the Americans need nuclear charges for the Tomahawks, they will have to do from scratch
    For some reason, everyone remembers how block bodies were crushed on Kapyar under the INF Treaty, but they do not remember how exactly the Americans cut lengthwise the same block bodies. And which is characteristic. Not one of our inspections revealed such violations. Only our media ..
    Your quote indicates the level of your knowledge. If the first “Voivode”, and I spoke about them, began to be tested in the early 80s, and the Russian Federation appeared on the political map of the world in the early 90s, then you can really ask the question: who is the first?

    Quote: SergeBS
    The same p-e-n-dos have unilaterally violated the ABM treaty as well.

    Posts like this one really talk about your level of knowledge of the topic. Therefore - LEARN MATCH. Maybe then you will find out that in each of the agreements concluded between the USSR / RF and the USA there is an article on withdrawing from it. It is only necessary for the other side to declare this in 6 months. What the Americans have done. So there was no mention of a breach of contract.

    Quote: SergeBS
    So do not talk about violations. It looks painfully one-sided - when the USA violates, it’s normal, and when the RF AFTER the USA ALSO violates the same agreement - "ah-ah, how is it, after all, there was a CONTRACT, and that we, arrogant Saxons, violated it - it doesn’t count! We are so" gentlemen "arrogant Saxons, we can!".

    No need to distort and expose only Americans as violators of treaties. We violated. And in this particular case, there was a direct violation of the USSR OSV-2 treaty due to the design features of the Voivode. She was a new rocket, not a modernization of the old. And the USSR at the same time violated exactly two articles of the treaty. From one violation we were able to "get away", the second would be too obvious
    1. SergeBS
      SergeBS 19 October 2017 21: 06
      0
      Quote: Old26
      We violated. And in this particular case, there was a direct violation of the USSR OSV-2 treaty due to the design features of the Voivode.

      But what is there for the elimination of MS with nuclear weapons? “For some reason,” the Russian nuclear warheads with nuclear weapons were disposed of at the plant, while the American ones were sent to the warehouse with an “excuse”: “The disposal plant could not be built.” For instance.
      And therefore, about the "Governor" p-en-d-wasps have every right to "remain silent in a rag." Since before they brazenly violated the contract for the disposal of MS with nuclear weapons. With the classic excuse of the arrogant Saxons, “promising does not mean getting married.”
  21. SergeBS
    SergeBS 19 October 2017 21: 10
    0
    Quote: Old26
    In particular, 10 years ago, all nuclear warheads from the American Tomahawks of sea and land based were disposed of.

    Yah? And at what AMERICAN factory was this done? I want proof!
  22. Old26
    Old26 20 October 2017 00: 01
    0
    Quote: SergeBS
    But what is there for the elimination of MS with nuclear weapons? “For some reason”, Russian warheads with nuclear weapons were disposed of at the plant,

    You can confirm this, except for your words. What our disposed of, and they sent to the warehouse. Or the usual blah blah?

    Quote: SergeBS
    Yah? And at what AMERICAN factory was this done? I want proof!

    That's interesting. So you need to take the word for what we have disposed of, but not the Americans. When it comes to the disposal of their BG - give you a proof. With pleasure, but only after you. When you give proof of what you were saying here, not from journalistic stories, but at least with reference to a serious publication. And then strange logic turns out. What you say must be trusted, but not the rest ...
    1. SergeBS
      SergeBS 20 October 2017 22: 46
      0
      Quote: Old26
      That's interesting. So you need to take the word for what we have disposed of, but not the Americans.

      Well, why "word for word." It is enough to just google for the presence of a plant that processes MS from nuclear weapons in the Russian Federation and in the USA. If in the USA there is no such plant, but in the Russian Federation there is, then conclusions can be made quite simply.