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Dutch commission examines Buk missile delivered from Georgia

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The Dutch commission received a rocket from Georgia from the Buk air defense missile system, which, as stated, will help in investigating the causes of the crash of a Boeing Malaysian airline in the Donbas. RTL Nieuws reports that the Dutch commission is interested in "the effectiveness of this rocket and its ability to shoot down an airplane."


Attention is drawn to the fact that the rocket of the Buk anti-aircraft missile system appeared in the Netherlands in February of this year. From Georgia to the Dutch military airbase Gilze-Reyen she was taken by special board - by plane Hercules. This aircraft belongs to the Netherlands Ministry of Defense. A request was sent to Georgia by the Dutch military.

The same Dutch media reports that in parallel with the investigation of the tragedy with MH17, the Dutch military experts are considering the possibility of the Buk air defense system against the JSF fighters. Previously, similar tests of the effectiveness of the rocket were carried out by Finnish experts, who evaluated the explosive power of the rocket at various altitudes. Where the Finnish military took the rocket is not reported.

Dutch commission examines Buk missile delivered from Georgia


This once again suggests that the Dutch commission is trying to solve its own tasks, and the investigation of the crash of the Malaysian Boeing is, by and large, only a pretext.
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  1. Grandfather
    Grandfather 18 October 2017 05: 58
    +9
    it’s a pity that there was no self-destruction system at autopsy ...
    1. Orionvit
      Orionvit 18 October 2017 06: 06
      +7
      Strange people, they’ve been investigating the fourth year, now they’ve dragged the rocket. I think that the conclusions of the so-called "commission" will remain unchanged, namely, "Russia is to blame." As regards the missile, let it be explored, especially since it is still Soviet-made, and the Russian Buki have long been modernized.
      1. oleg-gr
        oleg-gr 18 October 2017 06: 17
        +6
        The commission is quietly trying to fit the "right" results. Weapon developers have already done all the necessary research. But they are "wrong."
        1. Shurik70
          Shurik70 18 October 2017 07: 26
          +3
          In less than a year, the commission had already reached the consideration of the alleged weapon of crime ... Oh, that is, I wanted to say, not even ten years have passed ... You look at this pace, and even during the lifetime of the relatives of the victims they even compare the openings in the airplane’s body with missile striking elements.
        2. Lelek
          Lelek 18 October 2017 12: 07
          +4
          Quote: oleg-gr
          The commission is quietly trying to fit the "right" results.


          Hi Oleg.
          Patrick Lancaster, on his own initiative, conducted his investigation into the attack on the MN-17 and here are his findings:
      2. PVOSV
        PVOSV 18 October 2017 06: 18
        16
        We and the M1 have a modification, they upgraded the complex, but not all parts have been re-equipped.
        Missile from Georgia? But is it not Ukrainian, from the supplies of Ukraine to Georgia to the 2008 warrior?
        The Finns had a beech in service, they could have missiles in stocks.
        1. Pete mitchell
          Pete mitchell 18 October 2017 10: 14
          +5
          They intercepted from the tongue. This rocket should be identical to the one that failed -777. Although what's the point, as it was correctly said - the guilty party is appointed.
        2. Berkut24
          Berkut24 18 October 2017 10: 16
          +1
          We and M1 have a modification, we upgraded the complex,

          The Finns had a beech in service, they could have missiles in stocks

          BUK M1 at the time of the collapse of the USSR was in service with only Ukraine. And the missiles for him were unique in their part in terms of the striking elements. As soon as the BUKs went into the series in the 80s, they were immediately sent to Ukraine due to the fact that, firstly, this is a western direction, and secondly, the Warsaw Pact began to crumble and hope for such allies at its borders was already stupid. So that no one BUK M1 was in service anymore, and in this case, to conduct experiments only with their missiles. But about the appearance of these complexes in Georgia, you need to check. Maybe now there you can find a rocket of that modification.
          1. PVOSV
            PVOSV 18 October 2017 10: 31
            +2
            5 air defense missile systems of the Western military district - in 1989, retrained at the Kungur training center for combat use of air defense of air defense and received the new multi-channel air defense system 9K37 M1 Buk-M1.
            49 ZRBR ZVO since 1987 rearmament on the Buk M1 air defense system.
            53 ZRBR ZVO since 1986 the brigade was rearmament on the Buk air defense system.


            there are only three modifications of Bukov missiles:
            9mxNUMX
            9m38m1
            9mxNUMX

            what is
            And the missiles for him were unique in their part in terms of the striking elements
            1. Berkut24
              Berkut24 18 October 2017 11: 52
              0
              The form of damaging elements.
              1. PVOSV
                PVOSV 18 October 2017 12: 09
                +1
                so, with the fact that the M1 was in service in 1991, was in service not only in Ukraine, but also in Russia sorted out.
                now about
                The form of damaging elements.

                What is the shape of PE? tell me not to be shy.
                1. Berkut24
                  Berkut24 18 October 2017 13: 22
                  0
                  This is not for me, Almaz-Antey made an official statement. By the way, including the fact that the Russian Defense Ministry was not armed with the M1 modification. Did not make it...
                  1. PVOSV
                    PVOSV 18 October 2017 14: 36
                    -1
                    everything is clear, to put it mildly a person-transmitter wink
                    Almaz-Antey claimed that the 9m38 missile was discontinued

                    It is important to emphasize that 9M38 missiles are not in service with Russia - since 1986, such missiles have not been delivered to the army, the last of them expired in 2011.


                    https://topwar.ru/84290-almaz-antey-obnarodoval-r
                    ezultaty-naturnyh-eksperimentov-opredelyayuschih-
                    prichinu-i-vinovnyh-v-krushenii-mh-17-zapad-napry
                    agsya.html
      3. svp67
        svp67 18 October 2017 06: 19
        +7
        Quote: Orionvit
        I think that the conclusions of the so-called "commission" will remain unchanged, namely, "Russia is to blame."

        You're right. The Dutch representative said that Ukraine FULLY fulfilled its duties as a member of the commission, there are no complaints against it. That a circle of persons has been established, mainly Russian citizens, whom this commission has any !!!! (it’s worth paying attention to this, since there is also a “barrel of jam and a box of cookies”, and if it doesn’t work, they’ll steal), wants to deliver for interrogation. What does it work mainly on the analysis of social networks and its own experiments, having nipped at all the arguments of Russia. And yet, alas, Ukraine would be glad to provide data from its radar stations, but what a sadness that day they were broken, which she bitterly regrets and there is no reason not to believe her.
        1. Orionvit
          Orionvit 18 October 2017 06: 43
          +3
          Not only that, even the United States, with its huge satellite constellation, some satellites in that area that day were not “preventive,” while others looked the other way. lol Okay, Ukraine’s radars were “broken”, and where is the dispatcher?
          1. svp67
            svp67 18 October 2017 06: 52
            +3
            Quote: Orionvit
            Okay, Ukraine’s radars were “broken”, and where is the dispatcher?

            Do not believe it - I FIRED, well, a democratic state cannot keep a person in place by force. Yes, she even seems to have left the territory of Ukraine, well, a free man in the "free world"
            1. Pete mitchell
              Pete mitchell 18 October 2017 10: 15
              +9
              One Ukrainian journalist is looking for her there from the first day - without result. I’m afraid I won’t find it ...
              1. BMP-2
                BMP-2 18 October 2017 10: 32
                +3
                But why? Maybe they will find when ... decapitated in the forest ...
                1. Pete mitchell
                  Pete mitchell 18 October 2017 12: 35
                  +9
                  Buried very rarely emerge. request
                  1. BMP-2
                    BMP-2 18 October 2017 12: 50
                    +3
                    In Ukraine, the laws of physics do not apply, because they are not ratified by the Rada! yes Therefore, everything that does not sink here pops up! laughing The case with Gongadze is an example of this - when it was necessary to dunk the next "prozidant" - and the body was found, and the performers, and even customers ... lol
                    1. Orionvit
                      Orionvit 18 October 2017 15: 54
                      +3
                      Quote: BMP-2
                      and the body was found, and performers, and even customers ..

                      That's just the mother of Gongadze, the body did not recognize. She said that this was not her son. But for a political show, any body will do.
                      1. BMP-2
                        BMP-2 18 October 2017 19: 05
                        +3
                        For today's Ukraine, this too is normal, because the laws of logic of the Rada are also not ratified! laughing
                    2. Pete mitchell
                      Pete mitchell 19 October 2017 02: 42
                      +5
                      No. I think the case is more complicated here, and they buried not only the dispatcher, but also those who were standing nearby, for a guarantee.
                      But the bourgeois do not know that the 404th dispatchers were not shown, they don’t write about it, as well as about the records of the negotiations, and about a lot of things - all in pink. I talk from time to time - it’s so interesting to destroy the “democratic” “castles in the air” ...
          2. Nikolai Grek
            Nikolai Grek 18 October 2017 15: 22
            +5
            Quote: Orionvit
            Not only that, even the United States, with its huge satellite constellation, some satellites in that area that day were not “preventive,” while others looked the other way. lol Okay, Ukraine’s radars were “broken”, and where is the dispatcher?

            it’s already interesting for everyone to look at the grave of the dispatcher who launched the Boeing for slaughter !!! wassat wassat wassat
      4. gromoboj
        gromoboj 18 October 2017 19: 36
        0
        They dragged the rocket. but for some reason from Georgia. They would have dragged right away from the patriot
    2. Vita vko
      Vita vko 18 October 2017 07: 46
      0
      Quote: Dead Day
      there was no autopsy system at autopsy

      All missiles have a self-destruct regime. But just to activate it, on-board power should be turned on, and this happens at the start or in flight.
  2. Theodore
    Theodore 18 October 2017 06: 01
    +1
    Probably smelling!
  3. Mwg
    Mwg 18 October 2017 06: 22
    +5
    "RTL Nieuws reports that the Dutch commission is interested in" the effectiveness of this missile and its ability to bring down an airplane. " - Insanity grows stronger. And tomorrow they will be interested in the effectiveness of the 7,62 bullet and its ability to break through the skull and will shoot themselves in the head))))
    1. gromoboj
      gromoboj 18 October 2017 19: 37
      +1
      Yah ? Can a missile from an air defense complex bring down something that flies?
      I never would have thought. =)
  4. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 18 October 2017 06: 27
    +3
    From Georgia...

    Why not from Ukraine? Or, allegedly found a disinterested country. So after 08.08.08. this country is so interested in finding a Russian trace. This Dutch madhouse is already pretty tired.
    1. Herculesic
      Herculesic 18 October 2017 07: 16
      +5
      Gennady drinks hi - the cargo of a rocket could be rented with a return, and ukrointsy could be sold, but with a return lol moreover, they would have to return the rocket to them, but they don’t have money !!! lol
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 18 October 2017 07: 20
        +1
        hi Based on the Ukrainian mentality, you are close to the truth.
    2. novel66
      novel66 18 October 2017 07: 26
      +4
      moreover, the diamond-antaeus had already chewed everything for them and put it in their mouth, what do they want to learn new? malacholnye ....
  5. bald
    bald 18 October 2017 06: 54
    +3
    It is high time to score on this Boeing, and even more so on the results of the commission’s investigation. And henceforth, send on the next, similar kind of commissions purchased. Since the tragedy, Russia should participate in the investigation, and not some corrupt Dutch there.
    1. NKT
      NKT 18 October 2017 08: 59
      0
      That’s just “hammering” and you can’t, on the contrary, you need to constantly point out to them that the results of the investigation do not correspond to the incompetence of their specialists, constantly keep them in good shape - let them make excuses, and the more their justifications will be, the more clearly their blunders will appear . At one time, we also “scored” the history of the Second World War and what is the result? We didn’t have time to look back, but it was almost rewritten.
      1. bald
        bald 18 October 2017 09: 05
        +1
        We are objective - therefore, we, and not sales experts, should be in charge of all this. And on the "Boeing" - honestly tired of procrastinating.
  6. Cheechmarino
    Cheechmarino 18 October 2017 06: 59
    +6
    "Where the Finnish military took the rocket, - not reported." 3 divisions (18 SDU and ROM, 288 9M38 SAM missiles) Buk-M1 air defense systems, delivered in 1997 to pay off the USSR state debt.
  7. askort154
    askort154 18 October 2017 07: 07
    +5
    To experiment, so to experiment. Download Boeing representatives of the commission and make a volley of Buk. good
  8. Herculesic
    Herculesic 18 October 2017 07: 13
    +1
    It was necessary to smoke a rocket - then it would fly without a launcher itself, under the influence of the Dutch smoking! !! lol
    1. PVOSV
      PVOSV 18 October 2017 07: 22
      +2
      It is necessary to close the inertial fuse and turn the "flag", then apply power to the SHO connector on the necessary "legs" of the connector: 220V 400Hz, + 5V and even more (I began to forget however).
      members of the commission for evaluation
      “The effectiveness of this missile and its ability to bring down an airplane”
      stand and watch the second rocket compartment am .
      1. hohkn
        hohkn 18 October 2017 09: 46
        +1
        Quote: PVOSV
        apply power to the "legs" of the connector to the SHO connector: 220V 400Hz, + 5V and more

        Exactly 220, not 115? Some kind of voltage is not aviation ...
        1. PVOSV
          PVOSV 18 October 2017 10: 13
          +1
          So the rocket is not aviation.
          The rocket adopted a three-channel system of supply voltages. The first channel supplies BAUP with three-phase alternating current from ground-based power supplies with voltage of 220 ± 11V and frequency of 400 ± 20Hz, the second channel - power of operational circuits with direct current voltage of 27V, 1,35V through the third channel - power supply of circuits of pyrotechnic devices with constant current voltage of 27V .

          I lied about 5V, I studied the rocket for a long time - I began to forget (
  9. sgapich
    sgapich 18 October 2017 07: 27
    +1
    Where the Finnish military took the rocket is not reported.

    So after all 3 divisions of Buk-M1 (9K37M1) and to them 288 9M38 missiles were in service with the Finns from 1997 to 2008.
  10. Vard
    Vard 18 October 2017 07: 39
    +2
    When the cat has nothing to do ... he ... what does ... right ... explores the rocket ...
    1. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat 18 October 2017 08: 33
      0
      Well, this is in order to compare the "I-beams" from the head with those of the type found at the crash site. The fact is that the "I-beams" are in the old versions of the "Buk" in the new, another combat unit. Kaklov have "Old" and such complexes they (kakly) supplied to rodents. Dates have newer complexes.
      1. NKT
        NKT 18 October 2017 09: 04
        +1
        And with what will they compare? With those official three pieces, it’s not clear what shape and where it is found. They even classified the results of the autopsy of the passengers' bodies so as not to show these fragments, which would immediately nullify all their bloopers.
      2. PVOSV
        PVOSV 18 October 2017 09: 06
        +3
        everything was already compared, here Almaz-Antey explained.
        1. Monster_Fat
          Monster_Fat 18 October 2017 09: 58
          0
          Well, it was so clearly said by the Dutch from the very beginning - "the materials of the interested country of the aggressor have no evidentiary power .... they just consider them ...." Now they deigned to finally come to a personal examination of the issue of parasite elements .... and do not care about the fact that Russia has long provided, its data is "not legitimate" ....
  11. CAT BAIYUN
    CAT BAIYUN 18 October 2017 08: 39
    10
    All attempts to accuse Russia of this story is nothing more than the effort to pull an owl on a stump.
    The Boeing fell in Ukraine, there are no dispatchers, there are no witnesses, there is no objective monitoring data and there are no satellite images (the states have not provided), and it seems that soon the country in whose territory all this happened will not be the same.
    That is, there is nothing against the Russian Federation, but there is not even a desire, NECESSITY, to blame Russia.
    And the Tribunal tried to create and made a joint statement regarding the punishment of those responsible ... But which year the stone flower does not come out ... Oh, it does not.
    Well, the study of rockets from Georgia is a good thing, of course.
    What if the rabid Russians start firing at their peaceful military aircraft? belay How to be then?
    1. Kerensky
      Kerensky 18 October 2017 15: 05
      0
      That is, there is nothing against the Russian Federation, but there is not even a desire, NECESSITY, to blame Russia.

      Well, what then should be done? Go to Russia, look for the firing range at which new missiles are fired, pick up a PE basket and other missile shatkov, return and present as found.
      Why is still not done?
  12. Catherine II
    Catherine II 18 October 2017 09: 03
    +1
    Where the Finnish military took the rocket is not reported.

    internet disconnected
    In the middle of the 1990s, Finland received the Buk-М9 air defense system from Russia 37K1М1. The delivery was made to repay the Soviet debt to Finland.

  13. Tolik_74
    Tolik_74 18 October 2017 16: 25
    +1
    Dutch commission studies rocket
    Give a microscope ?? Or maybe a better track? Cho they smoked there, glass wool or something.
  14. Kyzmich
    Kyzmich 18 October 2017 18: 55
    0
    Quote: svp67
    Quote: Orionvit
    Okay, Ukraine’s radars were “broken”, and where is the dispatcher?

    . Yes, she even seems to have left the territory of Ukraine, well, a free man in the "free world"

    And exclusively underwater ... this is his right.