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What are they counting on in Tatarstan, sabotaging Putin’s instructions?

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What are they counting on in Tatarstan, sabotaging Putin’s instructions?



The ethnolinguistic conflict in Tatarstan, which arose as a result of the "language policy" of the Kazan Kremlin, continues to gain momentum. After very unambiguous signals, which Vladimir Putin sent to Tatarstan ethnocracy (and which she chose not to notice), the activity of parents of schoolchildren, encouraged by the position of the President of Russia, sharply increased. They are no longer afraid to speak, write and apply for the refusal of compulsory education of children in the Tatar language. This causes the increasing bitterness of the Tatar nationalists.

Their particular rage is caused by their Tatars' parents, who express solidarity with the parents of Russian-speaking children. And some have already moved from words to deeds - they are submitting applications for refusal to study Tatar and write complaints about the school’s management to the Prosecutor General’s Office of the Russian Federation. In particular, in Naberezhnye Chelny such an application was submitted by Alsou Gazizova.

In this connection, the reasoning of the former head of the Education Department of the Executive Committee of Kazan Marat Lotfullin, who voiced the logic of the arguments of the Tatar nationalists in the debate "The Tatar language in the education system of Russia: to be or ???", is characteristic. When Lotfullin was told that for nearly three decades of the experiment in compulsory Tatar teaching nothing was given, he said that even 150 years ago, the absolute majority of Tatars could not speak Russian, and teach Russian among Tatars in the second half of XIX century became a lone educator Kayum Nasyri (1825 − 1902), and now, after a century and a half, all Tatars can speak Russian. “You barely started to learn this Tatar language from scratch 30 years ago,” Lotfullin said, addressing the parents, “and you want to get the result already.” Be patient 150 years, and everything will be fine "...

Probably, realizing the absurdity of such statements and the impossibility of articulated argumentation, some Tatar nationalists start to fall apart, forgetting about propriety. It comes to the Russian accusations of chauvinism, and on the forums of the Tatar nationalist media they are already openly saying that if someone does not like something in Tatarstan, then it’s time to go to "those regions that are not forced to learn the Tatar language."

This resents the Russian-speaking parents and those Tatars who understand that voluntariness of studying the Tatar language is the only way out. Against this background, the tactics of the local press have changed, which, in the overwhelming majority, voiced the position of the Tatarstan authorities — they began to publish interviews and articles with “ethnically Russian” supporters of the preservation of compulsory Tatar education.

Along with this, texts began to appear in the official media, where a thought was accurately carried out, which for many years was expressed, for example, by the Chairman of the Russian Culture Society of Tatarstan Mikhail Shcheglov: preserving the Tatar language is the business of the Tatars themselves, and it is meaningless to hope that the Russians will become carriers of language. Accordingly, it is not necessary to spend manpower and funds on educating the Russian population of the Tatar population; it should concentrate on raising interest in it among the Tatars themselves.

Characteristic in this regard is the article “No one will save the Tatar language except the Tatars themselves”, published in the main mouthpiece of the nationally-oriented part of the Tatar intelligentsia “business newspaper” “Business Online” and written on behalf of the editorial board (in which, mainly, employees with Russian surnames - note EADaily). She presents a kind of program of actions so that the Tatar language would be willing to study voluntarily. The authors advise (presumably their nationalist supporters) not to organize protest actions: “Does it make sense for Tatarstan to enter into a clinch with the federal center on a language issue under these conditions? The escalation scenario is easy to draw. The Prosecutor General’s Office writes a submission; the republic will appeal against it in court, right up to the Constitutional Court. All this against the background of parental rallies and well-organized hysteria in the federal press. And then all the new "sanctions" ... And the more the republic resists, the higher the reputational cost of defeat will be. "

Such texts, published “not in the interests of truth, but in the interests of truth,” or rather, according to the will of the Tatar ruling elite, more and more clearly show that ethnocracy in Tatarstan realizes its own political and ideological bankruptcy: in conditions when a significant mass of the population begins to express discontent , to keep the old order of things (rather absurd) all the more difficult.

The first time such dissatisfaction manifested itself in connection with the banking crisis in Tatarstan at the end of 2016 — at the beginning of 2017 — the year when 6 regional banks (Tatfondbank, Ankorbank, Intechbank, Bulgarbank, Tatagroprombank, Spurt Bank) burst in the country one after another, and the authorities could not help the depositors. The flow of criticism from the population was enormous, and he was personally sent to the address of Tatarstan President Rustam Minnikhanov. Pathetic attempts to save the image of the leadership on the part of the local agitprop - “to transfer the arrows” to the address of Moscow, supposedly guilty of what happened, did not succeed. Moreover, a popular version emerged that “a relative of Tatarstan’s first President Mintimer Shaimiev, head of Tatfondbank, Robert Musin, took out money to foreign assets, after which the bank broke.”

The current stubbornness of the "elite" regarding compulsory Tatar studies further contributes to the growth of discontent. The image of the leadership of Tatarstan among Russian-speaking residents whose children in the new school year again suffer from coercion (in fact, Tatarstan remains the only region in the Russian Federation where the authorities force schoolchildren to learn Tatar language regardless of their nationality and desire - note EADaily) is progressively falling.

Against this background, Russian social activists depressed for a quarter of a century and parents from “new generations” look and listen to the federal news. After a speech by Russian President Vladimir Putin at a meeting of the Council for Interethnic Relations in Yoshkar-Ola on July 20, the General Prosecutor’s Office and the Rosobrnadzor were instructed not to observe the rights of citizens to learn languages ​​voluntarily from the number of languages ​​of the peoples of Russia and the state languages ​​of the republics ".

Parents expect that the Prosecutor General’s Office will reveal the facts of compulsory Tatar studies. Although why identify them? It is enough to talk with parents “without a protocol” ... It should be noted that the President of the Russian Federation instructed the Prosecutor General’s Office, and not the regional supervisory authorities, which are dependent on local authorities. After all, it is not necessary to expect from them that they will begin to identify and suppress the facts of infringement of the right to learn Russian and compulsory Tatar education. And this is not surprising, because all the previous repeated attempts to draw the attention of the republican prosecutor's office in Tatarstan to this issue ended with formal replies: everything is in order, we see no violations. Or do not want to see?

In the meantime, the authorities of Tatarstan openly sabotage instructions from the federal center on the language issue. Apparently, they have the following calculation: make several concessions in the process of teaching the Tatar language, but do not allow any voluntariness. The auditors from the Prosecutor General’s Office of the Russian Federation will most certainly be greeted with traditional hospitality, on a large scale, so that later they can report in Moscow that “everything is fine” in Tatarstan.

Finally, "Tatar strategists" can go to the trick: promise the auditors to remedy the situation. This is indirectly indicated by the decree of the Prime Minister of Tatarstan, Alexei Pesoshin, “to increase the volume of studying Russian to the volumes recommended by the RF Ministry of Education and Science from 1 in January of 2018” (however, it has not been specified to what specific volume - EADaily). But when the Prosecutor General’s Office completes the inspection, believing Kazan’s promises to change everything, everything will remain as it was. And there “either the donkey will die or the padish” is a favorite tactic of the Tatarstan rulers. Yes, and the presidential election in Russia is around the corner ...

And what would the really wise rulers do, and not the Tatar nationalist temporary workers? The study of the Tatar language has long been necessary to make voluntary, and the Russian language and Russian literature to teach in the same amount in which it is taught throughout Russia, while retaining the right of everyone to learn the Tatar language in any school of the republic and retaining the staff of the Tatar language teachers.

Yes, in this case, not only the mass of parents of Russian children, but also a significant percentage of parents of Tatar children, especially urban ones, would prefer not to learn the Tatar language. But after all, that part of the Tatars (and, probably, the Russians) will remain, for whom it is important that their children study Tatar in schools. And this part should be supported and welcomed. There are also examples when older people go to the Tatar language courses, as can be observed in Kazan. Teachers of the Tatar language will not sit on the 15 people in the class (in the schools of Tatarstan, most of which are mixed, each class is divided into Russian and Tatar groups, each of which is taught separately by two teachers of the Tatar language), but smaller, but any teacher you will confirm that it is easier to teach the language in front of a small audience.

At the same time, pay attention: no other subject in schools of Tatarstan causes such a rejection as the Tatar language. But all this indignation will subside as soon as his training is made voluntary. There will also be saved money that is currently being wasted on the training of Russian-speaking schoolchildren and on the preparation and maintenance of a huge number of teachers.

Will the current authorities of Tatarstan go for it? Hardly. After all, this will mean political bankruptcy, a complete rejection of "Tatar statehood", one of the attributes of which, along with the position of president, the agreement with Moscow, is the Tatar language, which is obligatory for studying. Therefore, here the Kazan Kremlin will stand firmly. True, a number of concessions are not excluded.

In particular, Ildar Gilmutdinov, chairman of the Committee on National Affairs of the State Duma of Russia (one of the main lobbyists of the “interests of Tatarstan”), reports that the development of a new method of teaching the Tatar language of Russian-speaking children is already in full swing, and the emphasis will be on conversational communication, not grammar. This implies a reduction in the Tatar language hours in the school timetable (although it doesn’t specify how many) and the refusal to teach Tatar in high school: “Life shows that it’s not needed for Russian-speaking children in the volume taught.” True, the authorities of Tatarstan do not agree to the full voluntariness - “the compulsory study of the Tatar language should be maintained at all costs”.
All this will be accompanied by performances not only of Tatar “patriotic parents”, but also speeches of “correct” Russian parents. The latter will be particularly protruded and provide them with a tribune in the local media, showing that there are reasonable people among the mass of screamers. They agree that their children study Russian less than they do throughout Russia; they agree to pay tutors, but in this way they show "respect for the people on whose land they live." In this connection, the already published discourses of one of such “Russian publicists” Mark Shishkin, who stated: “As soon as the first Tatar-speaking Russian generation of Tatarstan grows up, the ethnic история Volga-Ural will enter a qualitatively new stage. ” I would venture to suggest that the thinker Shishkin himself still remains at a qualitatively old stage, since he did not learn the Tatar language.

By the way, if you go from theory to practice, then it is likely that the Kazan Kremlin will connect its repressive apparatus and initiate an administrative or even criminal case “for extremism” on the activists. This has happened many times in Tatarstan. As you know, why solve a problem when you can shut up those who talk about it too often?
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  1. inkass_98
    inkass_98 18 October 2017 15: 17 New
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    Slightly played with Tatar sovereignty, and now it’s hard to break the established order of things.
    Naturally, the Tatar elite does not want to lose ground, because there will be not only reputational, but also financial losses.
    Voluntary language learning in Russian-language schools - this is natural, the language should be forcibly studied only in national schools. Moreover, there should be an optional study of the Tatar language in Russian-language schools, and I am not at all sure that there will be few people: at the everyday level, bilingualism is quite convenient.
    1. badens1111
      badens1111 18 October 2017 15: 22 New
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      Quote: inkass_98
      Voluntary language learning in Russian-language schools - this is natural, the language should be forcibly studied only in national schools. Moreover, there should be an optional study of the Tatar language in Russian-language schools, and I am not at all sure that there will be few people: at the everyday level, bilingualism is quite convenient.

      Yeah .. here, for example, in Ossetia, the son of a military man, Udmurt by ethnicity, Udmurt, as we understand, is not studied in Ossetia, for the sake of one child, they will not get a Udmurt teacher, but for good reason, the Ossetian was forcibly imposed on this child when out of three carriers Ossetian-kudar, ironic and digor, all three could not read and explain, written in their own language ???
      At the same time, the hours of the Russian language are reduced in favor of the Ossetian-IN GENERAL, rather than a national school.
      1. iConst
        iConst 18 October 2017 15: 40 New
        33
        I am sure because of the backs of the Tatar nationalists, as always, the ears of Soros, CIA, State Department and other NGOs stick out.
        1. verner1967
          verner1967 18 October 2017 16: 50 New
          +2
          Quote: iConst
          I am sure because of the backs of the Tatar nationalists, as always, the ears of Soros, CIA, State Department and other NGOs stick out.

          Thin trolling good
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        3. Dedall
          Dedall 18 October 2017 21: 07 New
          +9
          I think so too. And this can be seen even in the study of the Russian language. I remember when my daughter was in school, the author of the textbook was someone with an Armenian surname. Why did you need to change it at all? As a result, we took the surviving textbook of Soviet times and learned the rules for it. Thank God, we had it and it helped to get a "gold medal" in conclusion.
        4. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 18 October 2017 23: 40 New
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          Quote: iConst
          I am sure because of the backs of the Tatar nationalists, as always, the ears of Soros, CIA, State Department and other NGOs stick out.

          And on the wall hangs a quote from a speech by Boriski Yeltsin - “Take as much sovereignty as you want,” after which they created regional constitutions that are contrary to the Constitution of the Russian Federation. In the Komi Republic, the same turbidity with the language, when 25% of the population of the republic impose their will on 75% of the majority. It is clear that languages ​​must be preserved, but it is necessary to save for their ethnic speakers, and not without exception. Families with children should be driven away by the most zealous in Russia in which 198 peoples live and make their children learn 198 languages, maybe then the absurdity of the requirements will come to them. The Russian language, the language of interethnic communication, so that 198 nations can understand each other and not carry 198 translator dictionaries with them, and the Tatar language is only Tatar. Here, most likely, the question is in the Tatar elite and their relatives, who make good money on the topic of the language and, if the problem is brought back to normal, can suffer losses.
          1. ver_
            ver_ 19 October 2017 03: 38 New
            +1
            ... what is the reason to listen to tips from burnt drunks ..
      2. inkass_98
        inkass_98 18 October 2017 16: 13 New
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        I say again: there should be a system where there are national schools with instruction in the Aboriginal language, and there are Russian schools where it is possible (optionally, optionally, that is, without prejudice to the main program) teaching the local language. And rightly so, each parent decides for himself where to identify his child.
        1. brr1
          brr1 18 October 2017 20: 44 New
          +1
          This attitude gives rise to misunderstandings. It is clear that, in principle, the “native” means a local resident, but traditionally we have this designation of natives in the territories of their residence, therefore no one is drawn to people like you. In fact, in Tatarstan, you just need to divide the classes into students of the Tatar language and having difficulty in passing the exam. And it will become easier for everyone.
    2. captain
      captain 18 October 2017 17: 34 New
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      Dear inkass_98. Your flag is red, and your thoughts are anti-Soviet. Are you really against Leninist national politics? How everyone does not like that Ukrainians force everyone to learn the Ukrainian language !!! And here such non-Leninist reasoning! Expel everyone with red flags from the Communist Party, for anti-Leninist propaganda.
      1. stas
        stas 18 October 2017 22: 17 New
        +1
        Article custom-made nonsense, do not take the bad in the head.
        Such articles are held in high esteem at the Moscow ECHO.
      2. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 18 October 2017 23: 47 New
        +2
        Quote: captain
        How everyone does not like that Ukrainians force everyone to learn the Ukrainian language !!! And here such non-Leninist reasoning!

        We learn to separate flies from cutlets. According to the Constitution of the Russian Federation, the state language is Russian, but there is no ban on the study of national languages ​​by their ethnic representatives. On urkain, except for the MOVA FORBIDDEN all languages!
        1. Grandfather
          Grandfather 19 October 2017 06: 35 New
          +2
          What are they counting on in Tatarstan, sabotaging Putin’s instructions?
          I have already said more than once that we’re hapny with Tatarstan, Shaimiev is not forever, Western emissaries snooping around everywhere, the process of fermentation goes on quietly, and soon, very soon this foam will emerge, and it will be bad, what the “partners” dream about is subsides in the center of Russia
    3. krops777
      krops777 19 October 2017 08: 22 New
      +1
      Auditors from the Prosecutor General’s Office of the Russian Federation will probably be greeted with traditional hospitality, on a large scale, so that later they can report in Moscow that “everything is fine in Tatarstan”.


      The Prosecutor General’s Office does not make sense to flirt with them, it is fraught with consequences for them, and they understand this very well, the GDP subordinates not only the Prosecutor General’s Office but also other structures.
    4. Ren
      Ren 19 October 2017 09: 58 New
      +1
      Quote: inkass_98
      Slightly played with Tatar sovereignty, and now it’s hard to break the established order of things.
      Naturally, the Tatar elite does not want to lose ground, because there will be not only reputational, but also financial losses.

      Learning a language is a citizen's right, not an obligation.
      On the other hand, the language of teaching subjects in kindergartens and schools is a stage in the formation of a person, in what language he will think, with what culture he will identify himself.
      Teaching, for example, exact sciences in the Tatar language without the use of words borrowed from the Russian language is difficult and not even possible! hi
    5. Antianglosax
      Antianglosax 19 October 2017 15: 50 New
      +3
      Quote: inkass_98
      Tatar elite does not want to give up positions

      Who will ask her? They will be quick - they will disperse the top to the damn mother and put who they need. The Tatar "ilita" is boring, not a cap for Senka! Because of their personal, miserable, mercantile interests, a handful of Tatar collaborators are screwing up the whole country. And Putin, as usual, behaves in such a way that the opponent, in the end, sits on his head and spits on top.
      All this muddiness only from the weakness, incompetence and insolvency of the supreme authorities!
  2. afrikanez
    afrikanez 18 October 2017 15: 19 New
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    Is it not time for Tatarstan to become a region of Russia and not a republic? This is an enclave in our territory, and it’s also “stubborn”.
    1. tasha
      tasha 19 October 2017 04: 20 New
      +2
      This is an enclave in our territory.


      Ah, handsome, as he said! Well, well ... And they support it.
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 19 October 2017 06: 36 New
        +2
        Quote: tasha
        This is an enclave in our territory.


        Ah, handsome, as he said! Well, well ... And they support it.

        some do not understand the meaning of "beautiful words."
  3. maxim1987
    maxim1987 18 October 2017 15: 23 New
    +6
    it’s all to the same issue, about the indication in the Constitution of the RUSSIAN people as fundamental in Russia.
  4. Eurodav
    Eurodav 18 October 2017 15: 37 New
    +7
    Domindalny again ... In the very center of Russia muddied water! Can it be good to pretend to be blind and deaf? Ivan the Terrible is watching from the sky!
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      1. BAI
        BAI 18 October 2017 17: 07 New
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        Do you propose to deploy a call center in Kazan?

        And why should Russians on the territory of Russia bend under someone?
        1. tasha
          tasha 19 October 2017 04: 22 New
          +1
          Right And whoever is against Russian (not, like that, they say Russian) that he will say - to begin with, to burn the cross in the yard, and then to the rope ...
        2. Grandfather
          Grandfather 19 October 2017 06: 43 New
          +1
          Quote: BAI
          Do you propose to deploy a call center in Kazan?

          And why should Russians on the territory of Russia bend under someone?

          Yes, because they are now "dear Russians" ...
        3. Young_Communist
          Young_Communist 19 October 2017 17: 43 New
          0
          Quote: BAI
          And why should Russians on the territory of Russia bend under someone?

          Do you propose to become like dill and crucify the boys in shorts for their desire to speak their native language?

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        1. Mik13
          Mik13 19 October 2017 07: 46 New
          +1
          Quote: brr1
          Come and turn around. Take your wife and daughter too. For them, too, there is a count and not one.

          In my opinion, you, dear, did not falsely fallomorph.
          Want to tell me something? You have the opportunity to come to Donetsk. Do not forget only your testicles at home - if any, of course ...
          1. brr1
            brr1 19 October 2017 12: 07 New
            0
            Is it the weakest thing to deploy call centers in Kazan? Or just a broomstick revenge master? And in Donbass, I don’t know anyone, so you can see the testicles here.
            1. Mik13
              Mik13 19 October 2017 13: 45 New
              +3
              Quote: brr1
              Is it the weakest thing to deploy call centers in Kazan?

              Some people are very similar to smart when they are silent. I highly recommend that you consider this with all your diligence. It is possible that this will bring you non-fabulous benefits.
              Firstly, I did not offer to deploy call centers in Kazan. I asked a question to the interlocutor. If you are not able to tell the difference, learn Russian.

              Secondly, you had the audacity to openly threaten me and my family. You are far from the first, and, apparently, not the last in this honorable list of people with unconventional behavior. But if after that you have the audacity to expect some kind of constructive discussion .. It doesn't even make sense to comment.

              Quote: brr1
              And in Donbass, I don’t know anyone, so you can see the testicles here.
              I'm not interested in your testicles. It should concern you with their availability. I have made it extremely accessible (even for your level) that I’m not going to hide from you. If you want to try to implement your threats - I will give you this opportunity. Although, practice shows that most often similar to you in practice will look like in one well-known video ...
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    2. Normal ok
      Normal ok 18 October 2017 17: 17 New
      +7
      Quote: Evrodav
      Domindalny again ... In the very center of Russia muddied water! Can it be good to pretend to be blind and deaf? Ivan the Terrible is watching from the sky!

      Urgent need to send there Strelkova with volunteers. To protect the Russian-speaking population
      1. brr1
        brr1 18 October 2017 20: 45 New
        +4
        It will be fun
    3. ver_
      ver_ 19 October 2017 03: 40 New
      0
      ... you can even return the old name - Bulgaria ..
      1. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 19 October 2017 22: 45 New
        +2
        Quote: ver_
        ... you can even return the old name - Bulgaria ..

        Not Bulgaria will be more familiar, but the Kazan province. It is time to pay tribute to historical justice and return the geographical names to the territories of the Russian state, if the Communists were "banned" in 1991.
  5. Eurodav
    Eurodav 18 October 2017 15: 38 New
    +2
    Quote: maximNNX
    it’s all to the same issue, about the indication in the Constitution of the RUSSIAN people as fundamental in Russia.

    State-forming, more precisely ...
    1. captain
      captain 18 October 2017 17: 28 New
      +3
      In fact, the elders of Dagestan proposed introducing into the Constitution of the Russian Federation that the Russian people were state-forming last year. But our Kremlin replied that it was not advisable. He answered like Dvorkovich.
  6. Eurodav
    Eurodav 18 October 2017 15: 44 New
    12
    Quote: afrikanez
    Is it not time for Tatarstan to become a region of Russia and not a republic? This is an enclave in our territory, and it’s also “stubborn”.

    It is necessary to abolish the status of the republics altogether, this is a time bomb ... A republic in the republic, some kind of idiocy ... But how can princes reconcile themselves to a lower status? It is necessary to clarify and conduct propaganda among the peoples, and then a referendum, but this is not a quick song, too much time was missed by us and not missed by the Anglo-Saxons and their sixes ... The last example is the country of Great Pig Breeders!
    1. sunzhenets
      sunzhenets 18 October 2017 20: 04 New
      +8
      Eurodav
      It is necessary to abolish the status of the republics in general, this is a time bomb ...

      Of course it is. Only, for example, one academician-hero (heroic academician, academic hero) does not want to abolish his status as president of the republic. And he has pocket troops like a fool shag.
      But he has no problems described in the republic. There are no Russians, and there are no problems either.
      1. Dedall
        Dedall 18 October 2017 21: 17 New
        +5
        Yeah! He personally saw the moats with the dead in the 94th and near Assinovskaya, and near Grozny, and near Argun. The guys solved the ethnic problem radically. And after a couple of years, Kovalev went there and claimed that these were places of executions of local residents.
  7. Greenwood
    Greenwood 18 October 2017 16: 05 New
    +4
    In general, I do not understand the meaning of the study of all these national languages ​​in the 21st century. You live in Russia, learn Russian and speak it. Well, English as a foreign language (well, what kind of thread is still European or Asian at will). In the era of globalization, no one needs all these traditional values ​​of small nations, except for a handful of nationalists (some of which, unfortunately, are in state apparatuses).
    1. BAI
      BAI 18 October 2017 17: 05 New
      +1
      Well, English as a foreign language

      The HSE Rector promotes the idea of ​​English as a second mandatory language, more important than Russian.
      1. Greenwood
        Greenwood 19 October 2017 15: 58 New
        0
        Well, knowing English hasn’t hurt anyone yet. You’ll come abroad, it’s very useful.
        1. captain
          captain 20 October 2017 19: 58 New
          0
          Change the flag, christoprodalets. Lenin reading your comments on language policy in the mausoleum flips.
          1. Greenwood
            Greenwood 21 October 2017 12: 59 New
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            Quote: captain
            Lenin reading your comments on language policy in the mausoleum turns upside down.
            My red flag does not mean my full support for Leninist initiatives.
    2. captain
      captain 18 October 2017 17: 31 New
      +1
      You seem to be flying a red flag, but digging under Lenin. Lenin and his comrades came up with Ukrainian, Belarusian, even nationalities, and you ... Shame on you.
      1. Greenwood
        Greenwood 19 October 2017 15: 57 New
        +1
        I'm not ashamed. In Russia, the official language is Russian. And all these national languages ​​create only unnecessary problems.
        1. tasha
          tasha 20 October 2017 04: 19 New
          +1
          Of course, unnecessary problems.
          Speakers of other, more common than Russian languages ​​can think in the same way. And what did you want - in the yard of 21 century. So do not be surprised ...
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  8. Alex66
    Alex66 18 October 2017 16: 14 New
    +5
    The problem is in local princes or bais, how do you want them to separate their region and exploit it without competitors, including through language and culture, the main disconnection. But Russia here goes with them on the occasion of strengthening the small-town ambitions of the nationalists. Why there are no uniform standards in public schools, everything that is not in accordance with the general program should be outside it.
  9. Rinat79
    Rinat79 18 October 2017 16: 19 New
    +9
    Russians are not ashamed of you! It is necessary to deprive you of the Russian language then look!
    1. Aspid 57
      Aspid 57 18 October 2017 16: 42 New
      10
      Good! A boy or girl will receive a certificate in Tatar! And studied for ten years on it! Where will it go? Any official, technical, medical literature in Russian! What awaits such a child in life? Also the Kazakh and any other people of the former USSR. There everyone is VERY willing to learn English! Well, if the Lord did not give the ability to build great science, technology and literature, don’t try to compete with English and Russian languages!
      1. brr1
        brr1 18 October 2017 20: 47 New
        +2
        Look at the essence, what diploma is in Tatar?
    2. captain
      captain 18 October 2017 17: 32 New
      0
      These are not Russians, these are Leninists, or rather their children.
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    3. tasha
      tasha 19 October 2017 04: 42 New
      +2
      Russians are not ashamed of you! It is necessary to deprive you of the Russian language then look!

      This is not a shame. Most of the Russian language is poorly known, but here one needs to be studied. Will not pull wink
  10. Aspid 57
    Aspid 57 18 October 2017 16: 21 New
    +3
    My childhood passed in Azerbaijan. Of course, he studied at a Russian school, as did 80 percent of Azerbaijanis. But about three Azerbaijani lessons per week were. This is a perfectly normal approach. However, I did not go to them like the son of a military man. And then today is Azerbaijani, tomorrow Lithuanian, etc. You won’t learn everything!))))
    1. verner1967
      verner1967 18 October 2017 16: 57 New
      +1
      Quote: Aspid 57
      However, I did not go to them like the son of a military man.

      And my "Ukrainian" made me visit literature, for which I am now grateful to her, I had to force me to go and move, although I should have learned to write correctly, but another soldier’s son beckoned me from the lessons. So I did not recognize when it is written And with "dvom krapok"
    2. sunzhenets
      sunzhenets 18 October 2017 20: 12 New
      0
      And I studied in Grozny. Mother tongue lessons were only in rural schools, they were not taught in urban schools and nobody needed them, neither Chechens nor Ingush. 90% of Vainakhs in their native language could not read at all. And it did not bother them to live.
  11. igorra
    igorra 18 October 2017 16: 43 New
    +8
    The future of all national languages ​​in Russia is only one: cultural-colloquial, historical-literary and finally family-unifying. For work, career, communication, you need a good Russian language. For reference: for many positions in the national republics, it is important to have a good knowledge of the local language, even if a person is dumb and stupid, but his own, from the village. Really the leadership of the republics does not see that the people are laughing at such officials who have not even one higher education, but who speak with such a monstrous accent that doubt creeps in that the person was born in Russia. How did he graduate? Or it’s chic for them, to show oneself what a good Tatar, Bashkir, Yakut, etc. he is. and how he puts on the Russians with the device. I remember how Putin hated Lenin, for a mine under the USSR, so in my opinion the situation with the republics and local cadres and national conceit is almost one to one. How many communists have secured money for the construction of academies and conservatories in the Union republics, much remains?
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      1. ALEA IACTA EST
        ALEA IACTA EST 18 October 2017 22: 05 New
        0
        Don’t be conceited, Monsieur Bonaparte: Waterloo always follows Austerlitz.
      2. BecmepH
        BecmepH 19 October 2017 09: 37 New
        +5
        How do you know? If Allah wants in one second it will not become Russia and the Russians will be homeless and curse the nation-states.
        Allah, smarter than you, since Russia is alive. Eccentric Man))) What do you beg for? Camel manure? So far, you are all begging for Russia and sticking out on our sites. No one, or what? Do you have internet? You live with us, work with us and still yapping like jackals. Are you not afraid of Allah?
      3. Greenwood
        Greenwood 19 October 2017 16: 01 New
        +1
        Admit, where do you work? At home by profession or in Moscow as a gaster? wassat
  12. BAI
    BAI 18 October 2017 17: 03 New
    +2
    Well, there some journalist said: “I’ll tear my throat for the Tatar language” and went on increasing.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 18 October 2017 20: 06 New
      +9
      Quote: BAI
      Well, there some journalist said: “I’ll tear my throat for the Tatar language” and went on increasing.

      And in what language did she say?
      1. BecmepH
        BecmepH 19 October 2017 09: 41 New
        0
        Quote: mordvin xnumx
        Quote: BAI
        Well, there some journalist said: “I’ll tear my throat for the Tatar language” and went on increasing.

        And in what language did she say?

        Pretty boy! Oh, how I love and appreciate such subtle humor
    2. CONTROL
      CONTROL 19 October 2017 08: 22 New
      +2
      Quote: BAI
      Well, there some journalist said: “I’ll tear my throat for the Tatar language” and went on increasing.

      ... and what did it "break" the throat?
      ... yourself, or what? For the increase - it’s worth it!
      1. Mik13
        Mik13 19 October 2017 09: 50 New
        +1
        Quote: CONTROL
        ... and what did it "break" the throat?

        Taki tore it up. Proctologists then hardly sewed up. And all because the throat (s) must be broken with lubricants, in the most extreme case - with petroleum jelly. And so - the injury has turned out. Production, one might say ...
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  14. Fox
    Fox 18 October 2017 18: 49 New
    10
    my grandfather, a Cossack from the Don, served in the NKVD in Turkestan in the 30s. He drove the Basmachis through the deserts. So he and grandmother learned perfectly Uzbek, conversational Turkmen and Tajik (he was fluent in Ukrainian and Polish). I don’t need it ... he was not lousy to KNOW the languages ​​where the service was held. And he was not proud of his stupidity, like some here on the site. Learn English-Malads! Only you are unlikely to understand the English ... but you live a life and do not speak English meet, but Tatar, I think everyone saw it, just like a dog, they understood everything, but you can’t say it.
    in the army on an urgent, I met an Afghan (they were called as Tajiks), when he told him a few words in Farsi, he really went crazy ... he was happy, like an elephant, after hearing his native speech ...
    I don’t understand the organisms that justify their handshake or dullness.
    1. tasha
      tasha 19 October 2017 04: 25 New
      +3
      Thank you very much and your ancestors for understanding.
      I believe that the Tatar language should be mandatory for a year or two. In-depth study - for those who wish.
      1. CONTROL
        CONTROL 19 October 2017 08: 36 New
        +2
        Quote: tasha
        I believe that the Tatar language should be mandatory for a year or two. In-depth study - for those who wish.

        the only rational thought on the topic!
        And the article as a whole is indicative, and the site appeared not by chance! It falls under the “article” 282 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation on incitement ...
        ---------------------------------------
        received yesterday a ban from the site admin Victor Smirnov! And - for the complaint about the quote "Washington Consensus" from the resource planet-kob!!! A ban - justified by Viktor Smirnov - or Vadim? - there is no such name in Russian !!! - allegedly quoting full article from the resource tsargrad!
        (with the first - I collaborate as an individual, with the second - I collaborate as a legal entity; so - I better know - this is a quotation, or partial ... anticipating the question about the IP address - I have four of them, not counting the service ones)
        The traditional question is - Whose mill are you pouring water on, gentlemen of pro-Israel admins of VO?
    2. ukoft
      ukoft 19 October 2017 09: 15 New
      0
      This is from Soviet education. when the Russians were great who brought culture and stuff to the savage Asians. while indirectly recognized as the highest culture of the West.
      interesting takoo nebylo in tsarist Russia.
      1. BecmepH
        BecmepH 19 October 2017 09: 52 New
        +1
        Quote: ukoft
        This is from Soviet education. when the Russians were great who brought culture and stuff to the savage Asians. while indirectly recognized as the highest culture of the West.
        interesting takoo nebylo in tsarist Russia.

        You shouldn’t be so. I am of Soviet education. I believed, I think and will continue to believe that a person MUST know his national language and his culture. I always call a person by the name given to him by his parents, and not by a Russian name similar to his name. But, after all, you yourself "rename"?
        You accuse me, a Russian, of dislike for Asians. And what are you, my dear, then better than me?
        You want the state in which you live, in which you earn to support a family. If it’s so bad here, go to your home and raise your state.
        1. ukoft
          ukoft 19 October 2017 10: 17 New
          +1
          you know, in Kazakhstan we had such an axiom: if you see a Russian speaker in Kazakh it’s German, if you see a Kazakh with a Russian name it’s Korean)
          So, Russians in Soviet times and even now did not learn the language of conquered peoples (let's call everything by their proper names). other conquerors also did it - the French, British, Spaniards, Portuguese, Turks and more. there are few differences.
          what was interesting in tsarist times was known. and just talked with the natives. everything from education.

          but I live in my own country.
          1. already a Muscovite
            already a Muscovite 19 October 2017 17: 36 New
            +5
            Quote: ukoft
            so, Russians in Soviet times and even now did not learn the language of conquered peoples

            How did you get sick of mambets ... You have not memories, but delusional fantasies of a neighbor schizophrenic.
            You that really forgot how it really was ?? As helicopters they gathered your children across the steppe to teach them how to write and read. And like their parents, almost with sticks they rushed at the shaitan - the machine ?? Forgot ?? And how the Kazakhs led the children to Russian schools, screaming that he would learn his own language at home, and let him study in a Russian school. They basically didn’t want to go into their own, Kazakh. And now, again the Russians are to blame ... Clowns ...
            1. ukoft
              ukoft 19 October 2017 20: 35 New
              +1
              You are a vivid example of a chauvinist. Lack of culture and education driven by instincts and emotions. I will not enter into polemics with you. Learn to engage in dialogue culturally
              1. already a Muscovite
                already a Muscovite 19 October 2017 21: 38 New
                +2
                Quote: ukoft
                You are a vivid example of a chauvinist. Lack of culture and education driven by instincts and emotions. I will not enter into polemics with you. Learn to engage in dialogue culturally

                It's just true, not your fiction. Only Kazakhs now hear whining about Russian Nazism and chauvinism, while the Russians only do that they leave Kazakhstan every year, in tens of thousands. You blame the Russians for not wanting to learn your own language., And demand that you learn Kazakh so that the damned dominance of the Russian language is finally gone. And you don’t have a cultural dialogue, you are obscene with Russian culture. And when they poke truth in your eyes, they are offended.
                And the word “mambet” was invented not by the Russians, but by the urban Kazakhs themselves, when they encountered organisms that had fallen from the steppes, with long invented Shogher, in torn ichigi, and hatred of everything Russian, Soviet, Christian.
      2. CONTROL
        CONTROL 19 October 2017 10: 04 New
        +2
        Quote: ukoft
        This is from Soviet education. when the Russians were great who brought culture and stuff to the savage Asians. while indirectly recognized as the highest culture of the West.
        interesting takoo nebylo in tsarist Russia.

        In general - "questions of the culture of the West", ... "culture of the East", ... and yes! - Africa and Asia - quite thin (in the eastern ...).
        For example: - it is almost officially recognized that the “black race” i-q is lower than that of whites — on average by 20%; tests proved! And what tests? and why are “dumb blacks” constantly outperforming whites in, say, role-playing games? Better emotional responsiveness and "orientation" to a partner? ... On the other hand, their families often break up ... they care less for children ... They also outperform the whites in something, in the other they lose! Genetically - racially! - another civilization? Which is better? Under what conditions? in what circumstances?
        ... or South and North American Indians ... Australian Aborigines ... (recent series - "Smart Man" - gave rise to different thoughts about this ...)
        1. ukoft
          ukoft 19 October 2017 10: 18 New
          +2
          what is interesting is that asians have larger eyes than Europeans. and the brain too. but they are not creative - it is because of culture. creativity is not encouraged, most importantly the authority of the senior
          1. BecmepH
            BecmepH 19 October 2017 10: 27 New
            +1
            Quote: ukoft
            what is interesting is that asians have larger eyes than Europeans. and the brain too. but they are not creative - it is because of culture. creativity is not encouraged, most importantly the authority of the senior

            You have a complex ... I don’t feel like having a dialogue with such people is useless.
            I, here, do not climb on your sites. What are you doing here? Troll ...
            1. ukoft
              ukoft 19 October 2017 11: 04 New
              +1
              But don’t kick them out. the administration will decide uidemsss .... and the complexes you have in relation to the west. it's time to get out
              1. Per se.
                Per se. 19 October 2017 13: 41 New
                +6
                Quote: ukoft
                .a complexes you have in relation to the west. it's time to get rid of
                No Russian complexes in relation to the West. You are pushing an interesting policy here. Generally, if you want to check a person for “lice”, there are two topics - religion and nationality. What is Russia and the Russians who are offended here, and who has more "pret"? My mother-in-law was forced to sell a three-room apartment in Almaty and go to Russia, this was the atmosphere in Kazakhstan in relation to the Russians. Has anyone heard that people who have come in have been squeezed out of Russia, that Russian cities have now been settled with whole clans? Finally, did not the territory of modern Kazakhstan take place thanks to Russia and the Russians, the Guryev and Tselinograd with the northern territories are not gifts of Russia? Russians generally speak the least of all on the topic of nationalism and the imposition of religion, but so much envious and offended among the "non-Russians" if the most elementary is voiced! ... According to the Kazan Khanate and the Natsik, there is Russia, and the main language is Russian, the second can be any. The mistake of our leadership and the "trough" that allowed on the territory of Russia to introduce officially such names as Tatarstan (instead of Tataria) or Bashkortostan (instead of Bashkiria). There is a Russian equivalent, no one calls Germany Deutschland, or, Finland Suomi, there was no need to develop nationalism and localism in Russia, to produce specific princes and khans, that Russia and the Russians would later be blamed for everything.
                1. ukoft
                  ukoft 19 October 2017 14: 11 New
                  +1
                  how poor you are. Well, then let go of the Tatars !!!
                  and Russia did not give anything to anyone. it’s time to understand already. yourself and your imperial ego. you just didn’t do anything to anyone. all in their interests.
                  and this is normal. it should be. only inappropriately hide behind their kindness and fluffiness. you are not white and fluffy. however like all.

                  okay, we quit and stop. bored, no one wants to swear. somehow sluggish
                  1. already a Muscovite
                    already a Muscovite 19 October 2017 17: 49 New
                    +4
                    Quote: ukoft
                    how poor you are. Well, then let go of the Tatars !!!

                    What does it mean let go ?? You have already been released, for the darm. You, in gratitude, pursue a policy of ethnocide. This is still elbasy while alive. But he will die, the fun will begin, old as the world, woodcarving ... Half of the population of Tatarstan are Russians. Russian taxpayers. That is, the Russians themselves, for their money, should it become worse to know Russian, only so that the Tatars would know their language better ?? You have the same Jesuit approach in Kazakhstan.
    3. Greenwood
      Greenwood 19 October 2017 16: 06 New
      +1
      Quote: Fox
      learn English-Maladians! only you are unlikely to understand the English ... yes you live life and you will not meet an English-speaking,
      I occasionally communicate with English speakers on the Internet and when I am abroad. My grandfather, a Tatar, spoke exclusively Russian. Although he understood his relatives when they spoke Tatar with him, he always answered them in Russian.
      Quote: Fox
      in the army on an urgent, I met an Afghan (they were called as Tajiks), when he told him a few words in Farsi, he really went crazy ... he was happy, like an elephant, after hearing his native speech ...
      There are international languages ​​spoken by many people in different countries of the world. It makes sense to teach them. And the languages ​​of small nations will soon die out, and the point of learning them ?!
      1. tasha
        tasha 20 October 2017 04: 23 New
        +1
        And the languages ​​of small nations will soon die out, and the point of learning them ?!

        I fully support you. And by small nations, on what date do we start? I propose to take the upper values ​​- the number of speakers of Chinese and English ... So, now we’ll count .. Oops ... And Russian, too, must be credited to small ones .. Ou-yo-yo. How to be something? wink
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 21 October 2017 12: 57 New
          0
          Quote: tasha
          And Russian, too, must be credited to small ..
          More 2 laughing 00 million Russian speakers. Small?
          1. tasha
            tasha 22 October 2017 05: 09 New
            0
            And by small nations, on what date do we start? I propose to take the upper values ​​- the number of speakers of Chinese and English ... So, now we’ll count .. Oops ... And Russian, too, must be credited to small ones .. Ou-yo-yo. How to be something?
  15. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 18 October 2017 19: 56 New
    +1
    We do not need intra-ethnic conflicts, so the inequality of the regions should be eliminated. Symmetric federalism on the model of Germany or Soviet democratic centralism suits Russia more than the patchwork and motley that generate interethnic contention.
  16. Strategy
    Strategy 18 October 2017 20: 44 New
    +3
    A small handful of national oligarchs want to create their own emirate and get rich on oil production and sale. How will the rest of the Tatars, they spit. Just do not talk about the beautiful life of the Middle Eastern sheikhs and their subjects - there the system has developed over the centuries. It is the system - production - sale - transportation - with the availability of transport communications to the sea. It’s not without reason that they are wetting Syria — new ways of transporting oil to the West are needed.
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 19 October 2017 16: 08 New
      0
      Quote: Strategia
      Just do not talk about the beautiful life of the Middle Eastern sheikhs and their subjects - there the system has developed over the centuries.
      Oh come on. All these Middle Eastern Arab monarchies have been enriched in the last 50 years, when American companies came there and began to extract oil there.
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    1. tasha
      tasha 19 October 2017 04: 27 New
      +3
      And this is Russian Nazism. Primitive and merciless, like its carriers ...
      1. BecmepH
        BecmepH 19 October 2017 10: 00 New
        +3
        Quote: tasha
        And this is Russian Nazism. Primitive and merciless, like its carriers ...

        What right do you have the right to insult me? What are you now different from the "carriers of Russian Nazism"?
        Do not burst with anger and hatred)))
        1. tasha
          tasha 19 October 2017 11: 05 New
          +2
          What right do you have the right to insult me? What are you now different from the "carriers of Russian Nazism"?


          Does God mark a huckster? wink And explain, dear, why did I insult you so much?
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      2. CONTROL
        CONTROL 19 October 2017 10: 13 New
        +1
        Quote: tasha
        And this is Russian Nazism. Primitive and merciless, like its carriers ...

        Nah ...
        Supranational Nazism! capitalism is called ...
        “The drawback of the Soviet education system was an attempt to create a Human Creator, and now our task is to grow a qualified consumer” A. A. Fursenko. Minister of Education and Science of the Russian Federation (2004-2012).


        “You say scary things. You propose to transfer power to the hands of the population. As soon as ordinary people understand the basis of their "I", they identify themselves, manage, i.e. it will be extremely difficult to manipulate them. ” (German Gref President and Chairman of the Board of Sberbank of Russia).

        (the gentlemen will ban the site admins? Or beware? Question to the "admin" with the Sephardic-Slavic name "Vadim" ...
        This I am interested in "in the framework of the gloomy-condo masochism" ...)
        1. tasha
          tasha 19 October 2017 11: 40 New
          +1
          Supranational Nazism! capitalism is called ...

          And I would be glad to agree with you ... There was no capitalism in the USSR, but Nazism was ...
      3. already a Muscovite
        already a Muscovite 19 October 2017 17: 53 New
        +3
        Quote: tasha
        And this is Russian Nazism. Primitive and merciless, like its carriers.

        Nazism is for the money of Russian taxpayers, to impose their own language on them, only so that there would be more Tatar-speaking Tatars. With your own money, without touching the Russians, is it not fate to promote your language ??
        1. tasha
          tasha 20 October 2017 04: 28 New
          +1
          And you, “already a Muscovite”, are not enraged that for your money - an honest Russian taxpayer somewhere in Voronezh, Russian children go to school? Where are they and where are you?
          1. already a Muscovite
            already a Muscovite 20 October 2017 13: 52 New
            +3
            I don’t understand your sarcasm. Essentially say there is something ?? Is it easy to blame Russians for Nazism when you yourself are a terry Turk-fascist Gestapo?
            1. tasha
              tasha 20 October 2017 14: 01 New
              0
              Do you think you wrote something original? How many of you live shit in your head. Try to understand. Read, think. I quote myself:
              "Primitive and merciless, like its carriers ...".
              1. already a Muscovite
                already a Muscovite 20 October 2017 14: 32 New
                +2
                Quote: tasha
                Primitive and merciless, like its carriers ... "

                So you are its carrier, you even think in Russian. And Tatar is alien to you, like the language of the Papuans ... This is what makes you angry. Only wet dreams of identity remain ...
                Сontemptibilem sitis cultum, et cultum nequam accipere.
                1. tasha
                  tasha 20 October 2017 14: 40 New
                  0
                  Wow, overflowing? It’s good ...
                  wink
                  Your next comments will be read by me, but I will not answer them.
  18. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 18 October 2017 21: 23 New
    +1
    The fact that they will eventually be removed from power following the example of Dagestan ...
  19. TOR2
    TOR2 18 October 2017 22: 09 New
    +1
    In general, the problem was inflated from scratch. If you recall the times of the USSR there were specialized schools where, for example, Mordovian or Chuvash languages ​​were taught. If you want to know, do and teach.
  20. valerei
    valerei 18 October 2017 23: 18 New
    +2
    Quote: inkass_98
    Slightly played with Tatar sovereignty, and now it’s hard to break the established order of things.

    Yeltsin, sous, at one time, when he was eager for the presidency in order to enlist the favor of the Tatars, he gave them more power than anyone else - that’s what comes around now. It is necessary to put them in their place now, and then later there will certainly be problems, as with Chechnya.
  21. goblin xnumx
    goblin xnumx 18 October 2017 23: 53 New
    +3
    an acquaintance in practice got into physics at the gymnasium; he tried to explain something in Tatar; the Tatar himself; the children (senior classes) did not understand anything; he taught in Russian:) and the practice didn’t mean five:) - but nakuya him they introduced in ege, this is the question ... but the inserts in the passports were earlier, canceled ... in short, if there is a voluntary visit, 90 percent will be left off the lessons, the rest will be forced to sit by the parents, but what's the point, but the crowds of Tatra teachers will become thinner, which they are afraid
  22. ver_
    ver_ 19 October 2017 03: 53 New
    0
    Quote: Rinat79
    Russians are not ashamed of you! It is necessary to deprive you of the Russian language then look!

    ... we look through the eyes - they are not connected with the tongue ..
  23. Nemesis
    Nemesis 19 October 2017 05: 35 New
    +7
    Putin’s decrees are ignored because he allows them to be ignored ... And this applies not only to Kazan and its environs. If for the violation of the labor code in the Russian Federation the perpetrators were thrown into prison and their licenses to engage in entrepreneurial activity were lifted for life, the mess in the Russian Federation would be less. I am against the mandatory study of Tatar, Ukrainian and other similar languages ​​in the Russian Federation. You can also learn ancient Egyptian with the same success that few people are interested.
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  25. groks
    groks 19 October 2017 08: 18 New
    +2
    If Putin’s decrees are sabotaged in the Moscow Kremlin, then in Kazan and even more so.
  26. ukoft
    ukoft 19 October 2017 09: 12 New
    +2
    living in their own land like this, Tatars cannot learn their language. of course veiled by the voluntary nature of instruction and so on.
    They also want to cut the budget.
    and who said that Russia is not a prison of nations? to put it bluntly: assimilate !!!
    only inappropriately after that blame others for such actions in their colonies
    1. BecmepH
      BecmepH 19 October 2017 10: 06 New
      +4
      living in their own land like this, Tatars cannot learn their language. of course veiled by the voluntary nature of instruction and so on.
      Everything turned upside down. You are not from the Echo of Kazakhstan by chance? Who forbids to learn the Tatar language.
      Wow, how many trolls multiplied under different flags.
      In Russia it’s bad, but you can’t drive you with a rag from here
      1. ukoft
        ukoft 19 October 2017 10: 22 New
        +1
        it's just a cover. in fact, there is sabotage and a ban on the Tatar language. then wonder why the republics want to secede
        1. BecmepH
          BecmepH 19 October 2017 10: 30 New
          +3
          Quote: ukoft
          it's just a cover. in fact, there is sabotage and a ban on the Tatar language. then wonder why the republics want to secede

          All the same, tell me who forbids to learn the native language? Justify
          1. ukoft
            ukoft 19 October 2017 11: 07 New
            +1
            Western,
            do not be naive. Now the Tatars are sitting and thinking if they were independent, no one would dare to forbid us to learn the language. ask them. You do not see the obvious or do not want to notice.
            the reason for such activity of parents not to learn the Tatar language? is he a contagious disease? why is there no such attitude towards English? answer these questions correctly and everything will become clear
            1. CONTROL
              CONTROL 19 October 2017 12: 01 New
              +4
              Quote: ukoft
              Western,
              do not be naive. now the Tatars are sitting and thinking
              how many are there? "four Tatar"? ...
              the reason for such activity of parents not to learn the Tatar language?

              The reason is in training hours: the number of training hours in Russian is reduced to 9 yes and other subjects are infringed ...), due to them, Tatar has been introduced!
              Children go to school at 8-00. and come back at 16-00 ... also learn lessons ... the result - in the 11th grade, they don’t know a damn physics !!! Mathematics - only because I stand next to the belt !!! ... Literature - the so-called. "classics" - not blue powder! by studying the "masterpieces" of Solzhenitsyn and Bulgakov ... Become a calf, butt oak ...
              1. ukoft
                ukoft 19 October 2017 12: 18 New
                +1
                Well, in Tatarstan more want their national dignity than 4 Tatar.
                they were hammered into them at school that the evil Tatars had been a good Russian for 300 years.
                and about the fact that Bulgakov is a Satanist or Solzhenitsyn dissident and traitor, someone else would be better cited as an example.
                and the classics of the golden Russian century with their ideals of the 19th century are a thing of the past (this is so simple an opinion).
                But what happens because of the additional lessons of the Tatar language, where physics began to limp? or nobody needing literature?
                Have you ever wondered why so many lessons of the Russian language are needed? in what other countries is it? to spend so much time on the tongue?
                inadvertently inventing, the Tatar language does not infringe on anything except the arrogance of the national imperial. it’s time to consider the Tatars no lower than themselves.
                you push the Tatars yourself striving for independence, because as part of the federation of cultural autonomy you are not
                1. CONTROL
                  CONTROL 19 October 2017 12: 25 New
                  +2
                  Quote: ukoft
                  and about the fact that Bulgakov is a Satanist or Solzhenitsyn dissident and traitor, someone else would be better cited as an example.
                  and the classics of the golden Russian century with their ideals of the 19th century are a thing of the past (this is so simple an opinion).

                  ... yeah!
                  The next step to progress is to introduce Henry Miller to the Tropic of Cancer and Tropic of Capricorn school curriculum ...
                  you push the Tatars yourself striving for independence, because as part of the federation of cultural autonomy you are not

                  Yes, there is enough of it! Even - in excess ... and where do they go in excess?
                  ... consume!
                  1. ukoft
                    ukoft 19 October 2017 12: 39 New
                    +1
                    enough, but please do not use your language and do not learn children in it ........
                    Well, not Henry Miller at least hemenguey. Dovlatov, Aitmatov
                    1. CONTROL
                      CONTROL 19 October 2017 14: 31 New
                      +3
                      Quote: ukoft
                      Well, not Henry Miller at least hemenguey. Dovlatov, Aitmatov

                      ... yeah!
                      Something is already clearing up ... I'll try to google "Henry Miller" and "hemengway"!
                      But Dovlatov and Aitmatov - as if not worse - for students! - Bulgakov and Solzhenitsyn!
                      1. ukoft
                        ukoft 19 October 2017 21: 33 New
                        +1
                        Googling about Hemingway? Old man and the sea read. Compare with the master and Margarita. Do you want to introduce Solzhenitsin’s traitor to his children? Read the chopping block of Aitmatov. In general, in high school, instead of useless literature, one needs to teach philosophy. For example, the new organon of Francis Bacon. Nietzscheanism. Ibn rushta. Lao Tzu and Confucius. How it will help personality development and horizons. All thick with the war and. The world and other literary delirium do not score weak heads.
                    2. already a Muscovite
                      already a Muscovite 19 October 2017 20: 19 New
                      +4
                      Quote: ukoft
                      enough, but please do not use your language and do not learn children in it ........

                      What are you talking about ?? Who forbids using your language ?? It’s just that the Tatars, like the Kazakhs, who have become independent from independence, want the Russians to learn their language, so that the national language replaces Russian. And this is done by force, also with the money of Russian taxpayers. Tatars must learn their language with their money. And it does not go to the Russian school, and demand, there, at the expense of the Russian language, the study of Tatar.
                      1. brr1
                        brr1 19 October 2017 22: 53 New
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                        Another tortured non-Russians. No need to learn Russian other languages. In general, from childhood, teach children at home that they do not study well at school because of the time spent on learning the languages ​​of the goyim, oh, not Russian, i.e.
                        The second day I read comments and the feeling that I am in (in) Ukraine "fascist" does not leave me. To what extent society has rotted, the marginal bottom amid the rise of the patriotic movement in the country imagines itself to be the cream of the national intelligentsia and is trying to bring discord into Russian society from the pages of decent and not very publications. Why try to break into the foundation that holds the country together? And why, for example, the part of people (for example, on this site) who consider themselves to be more educated and intelligent is not trying to simply point out the inadmissibility of such statements by another part of the readers, not particularly intellectually gifted. People find their way to the brain. Russia is not a country where Nazism can live for a long time in our difficult times. Do not make a fifth column in national formations, even yesterday’s friends will turn away from you.
              2. brr1
                brr1 19 October 2017 18: 07 New
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                It will be especially offensive when the Tat language is removed, and the results of studies will not change. Who will be to blame? Top up your home library to get started.
          2. himRa
            himRa 20 October 2017 04: 32 New
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            Quote: BecmepH
            All the same, tell me who forbids to learn the native language? Justify

            A ban on letters of the alphabet based on the Latin alphabet, for example, this can be regarded as interference and prohibition!
            There are many examples, but somehow the Russians don’t notice this.
            1. CONTROL
              CONTROL 20 October 2017 08: 01 New
              +1
              Quote: himRa
              Quote: BecmepH
              All the same, tell me who forbids to learn the native language? Justify

              A ban on letters of the alphabet based on the Latin alphabet, for example, this can be regarded as interference and prohibition!
              There are many examples, but somehow the Russians don’t notice this.

              Regarding the Cyrillic and Latin alphabet:
              Revolutionary spelling reform of Lunacharsky or the Emperor?http://inance.ru/2017/10/reforma-lunacharskogo/
              https://www.planet-kob.ru/articles/6515
              1. himRa
                himRa 20 October 2017 16: 08 New
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                I read ... I didn’t understand your context for this transition, but Muslims, too, were not only able to switch from Arabic to Latin, but for the sake of interacting with the Russians they did it!
                Then the leapfrog began!
                In the topic of the article I’ll say you can understand each other without words ... for example, if you read the drawings, then you and I do not need words!
    2. Greenwood
      Greenwood 19 October 2017 16: 11 New
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      Quote: ukoft
      Tatars cannot learn their language. of course veiled by the voluntary nature of instruction and so on.
      Why do you need this language? All literature, especially technical in Russian (and English). Internet is in Russian. Well, who needs your language? Most of your youth have been teaching Russian since childhood, because this language is much richer and significantly broadens the mind.
      1. ukoft
        ukoft 19 October 2017 16: 47 New
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        You are our cosmopolitan. It will come to the masses later. There is inertia, and after all now the information society is just being formed, nations will die. But while most think in other terms. The concepts of capitalist thinking! But it requires its identification on the basis of nationality. For the Tatar will come the turn of Russian. English broadens the mind even more
        1. CONTROL
          CONTROL 20 October 2017 08: 07 New
          +2
          Quote: ukoft
          You are our cosmopolitan. It will come to the masses later.

          Reading comments ukoft - the feeling of "tight" communication with an alien does not leave, moreover, a non-humanoid ... an insectoid or a reptiloid?
          ----------------------------------
          Regarding the English language: yes, as the Anglo-Saxons progressed around the world, the English language also progressed. What is this language?
          What is hidden in the English language?
          The national unconscious is manifested in the properties of the language of the people who speak it. What values ​​does the English language really bring to the world?
          http://kob.su/news/chto-spryatano-v-angliiskom-ya
          zyke-vliyanie-grammaticheskogo-stroya-na-mirovozz
          decrease
          1. ukoft
            ukoft 20 October 2017 08: 25 New
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            insults you first of all humiliate yourself. however, I do not think that you understand this, so it seems to you that you are talking with an alien. for you people who know Ernest henimway aliens.
            English Indo-European. same as Russian and German. becomes analytical. Do you know what this means ??? What is an agglutinative language?
            Do you know that the Russian language is inflected?
            it is the structure of the language that affects thinking. although it seems to me you do not know other languages ​​besides Russian.
            if you studied at the university, you should know that the language was formed under thinking. later thinking begins to adjust if you speak a different language for a long time.
            therefore, before transferring other people's thoughts using links, at least understand yourself in the question.

            and so it turns out Tatar is unnecessary, English is bad, only Russian should be spoken. Do you realize that you are trying to justify the superiority of your language over the rest?
            1. CONTROL
              CONTROL 20 October 2017 09: 27 New
              +2
              Quote: ukoft
              for you people who know Ernest henimway aliens.

              I confess - I’m unfamiliar with Ernest Henimway! and thank God...
              (“Islands in the ocean”, “For whom the bell tolls” - a man with a similar name wrote, didn’t he, didn’t he? ... But I read it 20 times - I can’t learn everything by heart ...)
              English Indo-European. same as Russian and German.

              At one time, for such a "linguistics" Stalin dispersed (in 1933–35) the All-Union Central Council of Trade Unions (All-Union Central Committee of the New Alphabet) led by Yakovlev and Poppe ... I didn’t like that!
      2. brr1
        brr1 19 October 2017 18: 10 New
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        Where do they speak Russian except for the Russian Federation? Well, in the territory of the former USSR. Well, even drunks in Turkey and Egypt. A bit in Syria temporarily. And that’s all.
        1. Strategy
          Strategy 19 October 2017 20: 17 New
          +1
          But Russia is not enough? Are the territories of the former USSR not enough? 1/6 of the land, just in case!
          1. ukoft
            ukoft 19 October 2017 20: 41 New
            +1
            Russian is one of the seven world languages. But the area is shrinking faster than everyone else. But it is necessary to switch to English according to this logic. Already now
            1. Strategy
              Strategy 20 October 2017 20: 27 New
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              What is the "area", sort it out. The range is not shrinking, and therefore there is no logic.
          2. Young_Communist
            Young_Communist 19 October 2017 21: 48 New
            +1
            But Russia is not enough? Are the territories of the former USSR not enough? 1/6 of the land, just in case!

            Territories do not speak the language. It is spoken by the population living on them, which we have a little more than Japan.
            1. Strategy
              Strategy 20 October 2017 20: 25 New
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              While we speak Russian, we think in Russian, and until then this territory is OUR.
  27. brr1
    brr1 19 October 2017 22: 54 New
    +1
    Quote: brr1
    Another tortured non-Russians. No need to learn Russian other languages. In general, from childhood, teach children at home that they do not study well at school because of the time spent on learning the languages ​​of the goyim, oh, not Russian, i.e.
    The second day I read comments and the feeling that I am in (in) Ukraine "fascist" does not leave me. To what extent society has rotted, the marginal bottom amid the rise of the patriotic movement in the country imagines itself to be the cream of the national intelligentsia and is trying to bring discord into Russian society from the pages of decent and not very publications. Why try to break into the foundation that holds the country together? And why, for example, the part of people (for example, on this site) who consider themselves to be more educated and intelligent is not trying to simply point out the inadmissibility of such statements by another part of the readers, not particularly intellectually gifted. People find their way to the brain. Russia is not a country where Nazism can live for a long time in our difficult times. Do not make a fifth column in national formations, even yesterday’s friends will turn away from you.

    PS. And watch out for the broom
  28. already a Muscovite
    already a Muscovite 20 October 2017 00: 02 New
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    brr1,
    Well, are you not a goy, ready to take your children to school, in which they will be taught to be Tatars ?? Are you paid for school? I doubt it. I don’t know who you are by nationality, but I’m sure that you will protect your identity, to the point of slaughtering everyone and everything, by attracting fellow tribesmen .... huh ... Proud not Russian Russophobe. .. I just would like to see your face when you bring your daughter to school, and they will tell you that they left the Russian and Tatar languages ​​for 1 hour, and all the vacated hours were given to study Chuvash, for example ... or Mordovian ... Reason ?? what for ? ... are you a fascist? chauvinist? And watch your broom, since it began to threaten me.
    1. brr1
      brr1 20 October 2017 00: 59 New
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      Who is threatening you? Offended mode off. Do not hysteria like during menstruation. Since when did I become a Russophobe? I am marginalophobic. Idiophobia. Carefully read your statements hysterical, and the Kazakhs have cut off your independence and the Tatars are learning from your money, are you well oriented in space and time? The conversation was about the school curriculum, and characters like you transferred all this to the plane of national hostility with a clear fascist connotation. Why should I threaten a man who fears the superiority of others? You are already defeated.
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          1. already a Muscovite
            already a Muscovite 20 October 2017 14: 42 New
            +1
            Quote: himRa
            With such views

            Oh, how many were those who risked their steppe health ... It always ended the same way .. Proud children of the steppes were rubbed into the garbage room to write a statement for beatings, and they began to demand money ... Is this contempt for such an imperial way?
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBKmGhtJC7g
            1. himRa
              himRa 20 October 2017 15: 45 New
              +1
              Quote: already a Muscovite
              Oh, how many were those who risked their steppe health ... It always ended the same way .. Proud children of the steppes were rubbed into the garbage room to write a statement for beatings, and they began to demand money ... Is this contempt for such an imperial way?

              You got messed up something!
              Imperial habits are when there were mass fights wall to wall! According to the national sign ... it was like that, I participated ...
              and you had to find out who the main baboon is in the herd!
              One on one ... appeal to the cop in this case, too, despise!
            2. brr1
              brr1 20 October 2017 23: 42 New
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              Okay, do not be offended, everything will be fine. But for a very short time, and not with you. The main thing is to believe in a kalbito sleeper sofa.
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        3. CONTROL
          CONTROL 20 October 2017 08: 30 New
          +2
          Quote: already a Muscovite
          Quote: brr1
          I am marginalophobic. Idiotophobe

          Phobia is fear ..hah ... But nice to meet you, I'm a calbitophyll.

          "Kalbits - representatives highly privileged Arab tribe from Upper Mesopotamia. The language is Sumerian. Displaced and absorbed by the tribes of Amorites and Hurrians ... change of language into Akkadian dialects and more ... "

          we began to analyze the national question that you specifically addressed, the discussion of the school curriculum in Tatarstan, in one of the regions of my country, where I lived for some time.

          ... I say - insectoids! aliens ...
          1. himRa
            himRa 20 October 2017 15: 28 New
            +1
            "Kalbits are representatives of a highly privileged Arab tribe

            Mambet by chance there is no such tribe? belay
            You also do not know the rite ,, Kalbit ,, among the Kazakhs !?
            literal translation - stay louse! But the meaning is hope for the best in the new parking lot and leaving small and annoying problems in the old one when migrating!
            The Russians took this simple-minded rite as an insult to say that the steppes are stupid and are trying to shake out lice ...
            In my time it was an insult to the traditions of the Kazakhs and their offensive name
            Not ... of course you can, "justify" everything, but it's for demogogs wink
  29. brr1
    brr1 20 October 2017 01: 08 New
    +2
    Quote: already a Muscovite
    brr1,
    Well, are you not a goy, ready to take your children to school, in which they will be taught to be Tatars ?? Are you paid for school? I doubt it. I don’t know who you are by nationality, but I’m sure that you will protect your identity, to the point of slaughtering everyone and everything, by attracting fellow tribesmen .... huh ... Proud not Russian Russophobe. .. I just would like to see your face when you bring your daughter to school, and they will tell you that they left the Russian and Tatar languages ​​for 1 hour, and all the vacated hours were given to study Chuvash, for example ... or Mordovian ... Reason ?? what for ? ... are you a fascist? chauvinist? And watch your broom, since it began to threaten me.

    By the way, there was a feeling that the Kazakhs had offended you a lot more. Stitch where, how, when and how many times.
    1. tasha
      tasha 20 October 2017 04: 36 New
      +2
      You know, I have long noticed a strange pattern. The Russians from Buryatia do not speak very well of the Buryats, the Russians from Tatarstan - about the Tatars. And so on ... Are there generally people in Russia with whom Russians would normally get along? Where does all this come from? Ever since the Novgorodians murdered the Muromites?
      I’ll add right away - my observation does not apply to all Russians, but to the worst part of the Russian people ... But this part is constantly increasing. What to do?
      1. himRa
        himRa 20 October 2017 09: 01 New
        +2
        Quote: tasha
        You know, I have long noticed a strange pattern. The Russians from Buryatia do not speak very well of the Buryats, the Russians from Tatarstan - about the Tatars. And so on ... Are there generally people in Russia with whom Russians would normally get along? Where does all this come from? Ever since the Novgorodians murdered the Muromites?
        I’ll add right away - my observation does not apply to all Russians, but to the worst part of the Russian people ... But this part is constantly increasing. What to do?

        The eternal question is, if problems with Ukraine, Belarus do not give an answer, problems will begin with the Turks, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan and Tatarstan ...
        But they respond badly because of historical roots, the mentality is ... logical to defeat informationally, then by force of arms ....
        PMSM Russian (Slavs) were not in history separatists, hard Nazis, which allowed the creation of a powerful state .... this is a phenomenon of the last century ..
      2. CONTROL
        CONTROL 20 October 2017 09: 33 New
        +4
        Quote: tasha
        You know, I have long noticed a strange pattern. The Russians from Buryatia do not speak very well of the Buryats, the Russians from Tatarstan - about the Tatars. Etc...
        I’ll add right away - mine observation does not apply to all Russians, but to the worst part of the Russian people ... But this part is increasing constantly. What to do?

        And their "not very good reviews" belong to the far from the best part ... they drill, Tatars ... but in general all the "not the best people", even - about the horror! - Jews!
        --------------------------
        and there are always and everywhere! in any people! Well, in almost any - among the Jews there ... (ha ha, sad irony ...)
        -------------------------
        and by the way -
        noticed a strange pattern
        this is not a pattern! With this - straight to the psychiatrist ... Aberration ...
        1. tasha
          tasha 20 October 2017 15: 03 New
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          Let it be for you already. The bad of you is a psychoanalyst. wink
          And out of context:
          "Are there generally people in Russia with whom Russians would normally get along?"

          You, how to meet people who came from another region, ask them what they think about the local inhabitants there. And remember our dialogue. It will be interesting to observe. wink
          1. CONTROL
            CONTROL 20 October 2017 15: 08 New
            +3
            Quote: tasha
            Let it be for you already. The bad of you is a psychoanalyst. :

            ... and the surgeon? Or that ... pathologist ?!
            1. tasha
              tasha 20 October 2017 15: 51 New
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              You decide - a surgeon or pathologist. The difference is significant. wink
              However, try surgeons. Not a ride - well then ....
    2. himRa
      himRa 20 October 2017 05: 12 New
      +4
      Quote: brr1
      By the way, there was a feeling that the Kazakhs had offended you a lot more. Stitch where, how, when and how many times.

      Yes, no one offended him, if not for the conviction that he was exceptional, only on the basis of nationality .... put in place .... here comes the screech ... and fanning the problem, it works for the collapse of the Russian Federation
    3. already a Muscovite
      already a Muscovite 20 October 2017 14: 20 New
      +1
      Quote: brr1
      By the way, there was a feeling that the Kazakhs had offended you a lot more. Stitch where, how, when and how many times.

      So if ... Each of you is "well done among the sheep", as you meet a well done, the sheep himself.
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  31. CONTROL
    CONTROL 20 October 2017 08: 55 New
    +5
    The situation today looks like this:
    - due to a violation (!!!) of the regulations of the Ministry of Base of Russia in Tatarstan (namely, introduction to the program mandatory study Tatar language) reduced the academic hours of such specialized subjects as (we will not talk about the Russian language, well, what’s it ...) physics, social studies, chemistry, computer science ...
    But: - there is an unwritten order (it is not known whose ...) - if there is a mark in the Tatar language in the certificate of graduation from high school (anyway, it’s a hell of a deuce! ...) the applicant is clothed with an advantage when entering the universities of the Republic of Tatarstan !!! (which, for a moment - was created by the "Oath of the Rossiisk Empire with its aggression-occupation-chauvinism ... - wanted to, oh, let me write - well let it be Russian!) T. arr. the leadership of Tatarstan (specifically, Shaimiev) brought a mine of delayed (but not long delayed) action under the future not only of the youth of Tatarstan, but also of Russia as a whole. And Minnikhanov - not only did not dare to change this situation (out of fear of conflict with the "nationalist"), but also - being a very strong business executive and organizer ongoing processes - turned out to be a short-sighted president, but at the same time overly proud (a slightly improved and modernized version of Tatar Medvedev ...).
    This is how the situation looks like just yesterday - on October 19th of this year, after the roll of parental meetings in schools, gymnasiums and other educational institutions of secondary education. And you won’t refuse Tatar - you’ll “step on the throat” of your children, and you cannot refuse - there is already an irreplaceable (at least two-year!) Lag specialized subjects of a general secondary school course !!!
    Here's what he did - recklessly introduced into the school curriculum - mandatory course "Tatar language"!
    1. goblin xnumx
      goblin xnumx 22 October 2017 22: 58 New
      +1
      they called to school — they signed a printed text that the number of hours in the Tat language would be reduced — that they agreed to decrease — they would straighten them to love anymore, so we ourselves asked to leave the Tat language and wallowed at the feet of the rono :) it’s not clear what kind of objects they’ll throw the clock from they’ll stick out the principle of something obscene so that such as a reader with a chewing nickname could always say, see, see, it doesn’t help, it got even worse because the Tat language turns the student into a person, unlike other subjects like mathematics, Russian physics, chemistry ... and so on :)
  32. brr1
    brr1 20 October 2017 09: 34 New
    +1
    Quote: CONTROL
    The situation today looks like this:
    - due to a violation (!!!) of the regulations of the Ministry of Base of Russia in Tatarstan (namely, introduction to the program mandatory study Tatar language) reduced the academic hours of such specialized subjects as (we will not talk about the Russian language, well, what’s it ...) physics, social studies, chemistry, computer science ...
    But: - there is an unwritten order (it is not known whose ...) - if there is a mark in the Tatar language in the certificate of graduation from high school (anyway, it’s a hell of a deuce! ...) the applicant is clothed with an advantage when entering the universities of the Republic of Tatarstan !!! (which, for a moment - was created by the "Oath of the Rossiisk Empire with its aggression-occupation-chauvinism ... - wanted to, oh, let me write - well let it be Russian!) T. arr. the leadership of Tatarstan (specifically, Shaimiev) brought a mine of delayed (but not long delayed) action under the future not only of the youth of Tatarstan, but also of Russia as a whole. And Minnikhanov - not only did not dare to change this situation (out of fear of conflict with the "nationalist"), but also - being a very strong business executive and organizer ongoing processes - turned out to be a short-sighted president, but at the same time overly proud (a slightly improved and modernized version of Tatar Medvedev ...).
    This is how the situation looks like just yesterday - on October 19th of this year, after the roll of parental meetings in schools, gymnasiums and other educational institutions of secondary education. And you won’t refuse Tatar - you’ll “step on the throat” of your children, and you cannot refuse - there is already an irreplaceable (at least two-year!) Lag specialized subjects of a general secondary school course !!!
    Here's what he did - recklessly introduced into the school curriculum - mandatory course "Tatar language"!

    Maybe you are right. However, are there any statistics that the level of school graduates in Tatarstan is lower than the level of school graduates in other regions? This would be the best example.
    You just need to simply separate the classes in schools and the whole problem will be solved. I studied at a school in the Kazakh SSR, where the Kazakh language was mandatory in the program, this did not affect my Russian or other subjects.
    1. CONTROL
      CONTROL 20 October 2017 14: 36 New
      +3
      Quote: brr1
      Quote: CONTROL
      The situation today looks like this: ...

      Maybe you are right. However, are there any statistics that the level of school graduates in Tatarstan is lower than the level of school graduates in other regions? This would be the best example.
      You just need to simply separate the classes in schools and the whole problem will be solved. I studied at a school in the Kazakh SSR, where the Kazakh language was mandatory in the program, this did not affect my Russian or other subjects.

      Now it's too late! This year is neither the first nor the third ... eleventh edition!
      A stat. data - so after all, graduates of schools of Tatarstan go mainly to Tatarstan universities, where - I repeat - "there is an unspoken ..."
      But, according to observations, yes, they are lagging behind a number of Russian universities.
      -------------------------
      Although - having met with graduates, say - Perm universities - heh ... excel? Maybe, as is customary with us, “you have to start with the conservatory”? and is it not in the Tatar language that matters? ...
      ... in any case, after some universities in Russia doubts arose in me!
      ---------------------------------
      ... and - "Sergeant Pear, stop chewing!" yes
  33. brr1
    brr1 20 October 2017 10: 16 New
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    Quote: already a Muscovite
    Quote: brr1
    I am marginalophobic. Idiotophobe

    A phobia is fear ..hah ... But it’s nice to meet you, I’m a calbitophile. Moreover, for some reason, the lyubof is not mutual. You don’t like us, Kalbitophiles. Run away or write slander to the admin panel or wherever ... Constantly whining, about Russian chauvinists, about imperial superiority, ascribe the merits of the Mongols to yourself, striving to offend, ascribe to us a love of drunkenness, and boyars, call us and our country. I’m not saying that you personally, but I also read your comments. My statements are not hysterical, they are just harsh. For why smear snot ?? I already lived in one such country, where at first in schools, in Russian schools, they reduced the study of the Russian language and literature, and increased the hours of studying the local language and literature. So I saw it all with my own eyes. And do not tell me that this pursues some good goals.
    Quote: brr1
    are you well oriented in space and time?

    Yes, it’s fine, it seems to me that you’re forgetting ... We actually live in a democracy, not in ethno-feudalism. If I have the right to choose any language to study, even English, even Swahili, then why I can’t refuse Tatar ?? Yes, and in principle I don’t refuse Tatar. Let it be ... But not at the expense of my native language. Am I explainable ?? I don’t want that my language is not native, my children were taught as a native. And it seems to me that the constitution gives me the right to do so. Or do you think not ?? And this is just a conversation about the school curriculum.
    And they’re afraid of your superiority, let alone your superiority ... Don’t tell me ridiculous ... You are all small nations with an inferiority complex, which is why you are trying to hook, humiliate, and rude Russians everywhere. If they were not afraid, then they would not twitch at all. This, as you understand, we began to analyze the national question, which you translated into, the discussion of the school curriculum in Tatarstan, in one of the regions of my country, where I lived for some time. And with whom am I discussing it ?? With a resident of Kazakhstan, apparently an ethnic Kazakh, who, judging by the comments, does not consider Tatarstan a Russian region.
    And remember, it’s not me who was defeated, it’s just that you haven’t risen from the earth yet, but you are just looking at my boots.

    Defeated and prostrated. Winners do not make excuses
    1. already a Muscovite
      already a Muscovite 20 October 2017 14: 11 New
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      Keep spitting on my boots .... huh ... uasya ...
      1. brr1
        brr1 20 October 2017 23: 36 New
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        Oh hi shoemaker, I’m already bored of your highly intelligent statements, tell me once again how the Kalbits were offended by YOU in a dirty, perverted, ironed form.
        1. already a Muscovite
          already a Muscovite 21 October 2017 01: 05 New
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          Quote: brr1
          Oh hi shoemaker, I’m already bored of your highly intelligent statements, tell me once again how the Kalbits were offended by YOU in a dirty, perverted, ironed form.

          ... And it's you ... well, grimy hi ... huh ... All the same, our native Russian is great and powerful !! ...
          Are we offended ?? You ?? ... ahahahah .... you just did, my evening .... ahahaha ... ridiculed notably ... You, mister the owner of the longest shoger in the galaxy, re-read the comments here, and indeed under any video about you beloved ones. There are whining and moaning everywhere, about how the Russians oppressed you and generally genocide, in the
          Quote: brr1
          dirty, perverted, ironed form.
          1. brr1
            brr1 21 October 2017 11: 11 New
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            Who are we? I am not a Kazakh, after all. Or are you talking about the Tatars? And the Kazakhs apparently did not love you for nothing. Probably not because you are out of order, but because most likely the victim masochist is poorly brought up by his parents. But keep believing in yourself, and maybe everything will change and your life will cease to be g .... m.
            1. already a Muscovite
              already a Muscovite 21 October 2017 14: 03 New
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              Quote: brr1
              I'm not Kazakh

              ... huh ... not Kazakh anymore ...
              Quote: brr1
              Or are you talking about the Tatars?

              I’m talking about all those who are talking about this nonsense about occupation and other nonsense, about the primordial greatness of honorable horse breeders in Russian culture and history. And at the same time, to the noise of cries about "Russian chauvinism", and other "Great Russian imperialism", they themselves are doing exactly the same thing as they blame the Russians.
              And your parents ... Those yes ... They drank from your peacefulness ... Your parents raised you there, with claims to the Russians ... ahah .... And they just taught me to tell the truth.
              1. brr1
                brr1 21 October 2017 15: 05 New
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                Where did I issue a complaint to the Russians? And where did I say that Kazakh? Still worse than I thought, there is complete schizophrenia already. To such an extent, to live with hatred and antipathies that the line between black and white is so blurred that the brain itself is forced to interpret the events and phenomena missing from it for completeness based on the negative information in the head. Complete defeat of mental function. It's time to stop and look at everything from different points of view, expand the picture of the world, break the patterns, so to speak. I repeat once again: there is a chance to fix everything. I will monitor the recovery. And you need to spend less time on the Internet, he will destroy you, he is too impressive and you are vulnerable for him.
                1. already a Muscovite
                  already a Muscovite 21 October 2017 17: 02 New
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                  Quote: brr1
                  Where did I issue a complaint to the Russians? And where did I say that Kazakh? Still worse than I thought, there is complete schizophrenia already.

                  ... um ... re-read your comments ... And then you really have a distortion of being. I sided with a really stupid law in Tatarstan ... And how do you think there? - "And what are you? You're not at home, you are visiting, you must respect. No obligation, otherwise ..."
                  In short ... I’m tired of this controversy, especially from a person who perceives any truth as nat. question.
                  1. brr1
                    brr1 21 October 2017 18: 40 New
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                    I think the desire to end the debate is due to the fact that a real understanding of the situation is beginning to come. I am proud that I had a hand in this. You can solve the problem only by recognizing its presence. Like alcoholics. Get well.
                    1. already a Muscovite
                      already a Muscovite 21 October 2017 21: 03 New
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                      Quote: brr1
                      I think the desire to end the debate is due to the fact that a real understanding of the situation is beginning to come.

                      Here you are right, the reality is that you are fighters for your own identity, ordinary Svidomo, clumsy pan. Just acutely aware of their inferiority. And your demagogic attempts, I did not appreciate ... huh ... It’s you who can captivate hearts through your ears in your aul. Here you are an ordinary Russian-speaking non-Russian, trying to assert himself ... In the aul, apparently, such beauty is not appreciated ...
                      1. brr1
                        brr1 21 October 2017 23: 14 New
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                        Apparently I got excited with the forecasts. Everything is very bad with you. Apparently they offended you and still hurt you. Including your surroundings. Let’s read aloud three times at night, “Father on .... oh, that is,“ Our Crimea ”, Three times call a curse on the heads of dill, Kalbits and other Tatars, then three times throw up your right hand with a cry Slava Vladimir (Krasno Solnyshko) and go on to entertain the people, you are our offended clown. But you entertained me notably flawed. I even raised my self-esteem when I realized that if there are such individuals in the capital of our great Motherland that we will not be allowed to go on the periphery in Kazan, even becoming drunks and homeless people then we are on the right track.
                        By the way, did your parents accidentally surrender you to the orphanage in childhood?
  34. Mista_dj
    Mista_dj 20 October 2017 17: 48 New
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    How useful it is not to watch TV!
    I didn’t even know about such passions)))
  35. Radikal
    Radikal 20 October 2017 22: 49 New
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    Quote: Dead Day
    What are they counting on in Tatarstan, sabotaging Putin’s instructions?
    I have already said more than once that we’re hapny with Tatarstan, Shaimiev is not forever, Western emissaries snooping around everywhere, the process of fermentation goes on quietly, and soon, very soon this foam will emerge, and it will be bad, what the “partners” dream about is subsides in the center of Russia

    Shaimiev himself the first nationalist, you just do not know! hi
    1. brr1
      brr1 20 October 2017 23: 44 New
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      In the furnace of it.
  36. bsk_una
    bsk_una 21 October 2017 16: 04 New
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    I support Zhirinovsky: abolish the names of regions according to national characteristics, give names by location, craft, remarkable places, etc.
  37. already a Muscovite
    already a Muscovite 21 October 2017 23: 32 New
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    brr1And your parent is definitely not a neighbor, Uncle Seryozha, or maybe Uncle Sasha ... lol lol He left, left you, half-blood prince ... You wanted to go to Hogwarts so much, but you had to go to the local bursa ... And you were kindled with hatred ... They deliver you especially, your attempts to insult me ​​... Drink as much milk as you like, and that's it Equally, do not wash off, grimy ...
    1. brr1
      brr1 22 October 2017 00: 48 New
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      You are such a great conversationalist. I read your old comments, there is not a single one on the military topic, how did you find a pinch funny on this site? You have all the comments on one topic - offenders on nedorussy. Can you change the site? We do not climb LGBTshny sites on your sites, respectively, and do not comment on topics unknown to us. Okay Muscovite don’t fart. It’s better to change the site, it’s not yours, I would go to a better place with Caucasians, Central Asians, etc., And here leave the place to the men who are normal, healthy.
      1. already a Muscovite
        already a Muscovite 22 October 2017 01: 20 New
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        .... huh ... Sanych? or Sergeyich? you find out everything there, whose spit you are ... And then people like you always whine about the raped milen ...
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        We are

        Quote: brr1
        We are

        You just climb. Already just because you raised this topic, you can understand that you are one of those same ... Moreover, it seems to be for people like you not haram. Pig haram, and Ravshan or donkey is not haram ...
        Did you decide that if you have a spear, are you an expert on weapons? laughing
        Okay, not Kazakh, not Russian - do not be offended. I'm not a Russian nationalist, but non-Russian nationalists like you are especially annoying. So that's it !! Roll off.