Ukrainian Navy boasts tactics outdated one hundred years ago

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Ukrainian military sailors made boastful threats against Russia. In particular, they talked about using what tactical instrument they are going to confront the Russian Black Sea the fleet. What do these bravura statements mean and in reality what could the Ukrainian Navy theoretically threaten Russia with?





Ukrainian military thought once again invented the bicycle. This is how one can characterize the statement of the Kiev military that "a new tactic of the Ukrainian fleet is being born on the Black Sea" (according to TSN). This is the so-called "Wolf Pack" or "Mosquito Fleet." It is them who now have to be afraid of the "enemies of Ukraine," says the Ukrainian press.

“Wolf Pack” means that together with six of us we can rush to a larger enemy ship, ”commander of the Ukrainian armored boat Alexander Regula told the TV channel. “At the same time, he (the enemy's ship) is not able to conduct many targets and, let's say, to fire on them,” explains the tactical reception commander of another armored boat Roman Mokryak.

On the maneuvers just held, the boats attacked the conditional “aggressor”. It is noted that the Naval Forces have just received several new boats, three or four more will arrive soon, Alexander Vishnevetsky, deputy general director of the Kiev shipyard of Kuznitsa at Rybalsky, promises. The military admit that they dream with their help to return the strategic gas platforms that have moved Russia along with the Crimea.

“In fact, sea battles are already underway. The Russians twice opened fire just in the Ukrainian water area not far from Odessa. They were shooting at a diving ship and a military plane, ”writes UNIAN. The Ukrainian agency, however, does not specify that these were warning shots in the air, which forced the Ukrainian ships to depart from Russian naval facilities.

It remains to add that the armored boats in question are not even missile boats carrying anti-ship missiles and because of this they can actually pose a potential threat to the Russian Black Sea Fleet. Everything is much funnier

- there are two such rocket boats nominally in the Ukrainian Navy, and in reality they are hardly combat-ready. The same Ukrainian sailors who voiced threats against Russia are being mastered by completely different ships — recently, the Gyurza-M project boats with a displacement of 51 tons and armed with a 76-mm cannon and a large-caliber machine gun entered the Ukrainian Navy with great fanfare. Russian experts at one time characterized these ships as "squalor." That was soon confirmed - in the design of armored boats found numerous miscalculations.

For comparison, it is enough to say that the corvettes arriving at the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation now (also small class ships) have a displacement of thousands of tons in 2,2.

What is the "mosquito fleet"

It is no less curious that the commander of the armored boat argues on matters of naval tactics and strategy of the Ukrainian Navy. That is a very young officer, a recent graduate of a military college. By the way, the channel proudly claims that Regula was one of several cadets who refused to go under Russian flags in 2014 in Sevastopol. All this is very patriotic for Ukraine, but does not remove the question of the competence of its seamen.

The concepts of "Wolf Pack" and "Mosquito Fleet" in the fleet do exist. "Wolf Pack" - a tactic of pursuing enemy ships with submarines in order to wait for numerical superiority, and it was used by Germany and the States in World War II. What does the missile (and artillery) boats do to do with this? It is not clear, but Ukraine has no submarines. As they say, they hit a finger in the sky.

Here "Mosquito fleet" - perhaps the more appropriate term in this situation. It involves a combination of high-speed and maneuverable small warships, such as torpedo, patrol, missile and other boats. Moreover, the Ukrainian boats of the project “Gyurza-M” are indeed in the mosquito category.

Cruisers do not walk in proud loneliness

"Mosquito fleet" was used in the Baltic, and even the term is used. Maybe in the coastal version, this tactic could be applied. But it does not apply against the Russian fleet. A small ship is a small ship. For its operations, ideally quiet weather is needed, which almost never happens, ”the adviser to the Chief of the General Staff, Admiral Igor Kasatonov, who led the Russian Black Sea Fleet in 1991 – 1992, explained to the VIEW newspaper.

As for large ships, they are always accompanied, there is always reconnaissance around them, including “situation lighting systems,” Kasatonov reminded and added:

“It seems to me that all these statements are nonsense, an attempt to politicize their achievements. I do not think that this tactic can be effective. These are just scare attempts. ”

Ukraine can not boast not only the authorship of the idea of ​​"mosquito fleet." The concept appeared even during the First World War. At that time, it was believed that fast, maneuverable and inconspicuous boats could withstand the enemy’s armored fleet in coastal areas, depriving them of their domination. Here are just further practice of such submissions refuted. In the USSR, the theory of the “small fleet” (preference for a large number of small ships to the detriment of the construction of large ones) was the official naval doctrine since the 1920s. However, already in 1936, it was abandoned in favor of the Big Sea and Ocean Fleet program.

Oddly enough, the new life in the "mosquito" tactics breathed the end of the Cold War. At the beginning of the 2000, when the military budget was declining, the US Navy was faced with the fact that they simply did not have enough money to purchase and maintain large ships. There was an idea to replace some of them with a large number of small ships. A program to create littoral (coastal) warships was launched.

Even the Pentagon has not yet decided

As planned by the Pentagon, small ships should attack larger groups from different directions with the support drones, helicopters, electronic countermeasures, as well as cruise missiles and other coastal-based weapons.

However, many US military eventually became disillusioned with the program. The reason was not only that the construction of littoral ships was much more expensive than planned, but also in their lack of effectiveness.

In 2014, an alternative program was proposed for the construction of so-called small surface combatants - frigates with slightly different characteristics. As a result, both programs are not curtailed, but are in limbo, because the Pentagon has not yet decided whether to complete them, reduce them or replace them with a new plan. But in any case, even these small American ships of the coastal zone have a displacement of even more than Russian corvettes - 2,8 thousand tons.
At the same time, it was the Americans who advised Kiev to concentrate on building small ships, for example, the very Gyurza artillery boats. In their opinion, the concept of a group strike of small ships could not be better suited for countries that do not have a large military budget.

Perhaps this idea can really be successful for the survival of the Ukrainian fleet. Here are only threats that, with their six boats, the Ukrainian Navy will make Russia tremble, at least ridiculous.

“In reality, the Ukrainians have no other ships, except for those very few boats. Technically and professionally they have nothing to carry out their delusional threats.

The only thing they can do is sabotage from boats, civil courts. But for this we are working on various options for anti-sabotage protection.

Such options on the Black Sea Fleet and other fleets are in the combat training program. This is the norm, ”said Mikhail Nenashev, Chairman of the All-Russian Movement for the Support of the Fleet, told VZGLYAD newspaper.
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  1. +4
    18 October 2017 06: 23
    We are talking about the so-called "Wolf Pack" or "Mosquito Navy." They now need to be afraid of “enemies of Ukraine”, the Ukrainian press claims.
    1. +2
      18 October 2017 13: 02
      Quote: Dead Day
      This is the so-called "Wolf Pack"

      It's about a pack of jackals ....
  2. +4
    18 October 2017 06: 36
    Independents rather than want to use German tactics (in the complete absence of a submarine fleet this is a dumb task), but the method tried by P. Rieper in the Millennium Challenge (2002). But these "inventors" do not get the fact that in order to create an overload of tracking and fire control systems for the enemy, Van Rieper used a hundreds of times a large group of small-sized air and sea means. And 3-5 katerkov of the Ukrainian Navy will simply repeat the fate of Georgian boats in the war 08.08.08
    1. +5
      18 October 2017 06: 59
      Quote: Soho
      And 3-5 katerkov of the Ukrainian Navy will simply repeat the fate of Georgian boats in the war 08.08.08

      Yes sadder, much sadder. The Georgians had at least some chance, nevertheless they had missile boats capable of drowning aircraft carriers with their missiles, and these boats are ARTILLERIAN, corresponding to the level of 100 years ago, from here and the tactics are ...
      1. +3
        18 October 2017 11: 51
        Georgian missile boats in that battle did not participate at all. Both of our missile boats in Poti then exploded at the berths. Only Georgian coast guard boats (MIA) participated in the same skirmish. and one hydrographic boat. Yes and no battle as such was not. The Georgians simply tried to distract ours, giving time to the hydrograph buoy from the bottom to raise. Ours did not buy and sank it and another boat. Georgians are gone. And our buoy raised. request
        At the same time, the Georgians did not even try to shoot at our ships, realizing that it was useless. But the Ukrainian admirals seem to have a different point of view.
        1. +2
          18 October 2017 12: 16
          Quote: g1v2
          But the Ukrainian admirals seem to have a different point of view.


          Hey. "Outdated Tactics" - nothing like this, this is a tactic adopted by Somali pirates, and now appropriated by the descendants of ancient ukrov. Bravo. So the same rules will be applied against them as for the pirates of Somalia - to drown upon detection. negative
          1. +1
            18 October 2017 13: 07
            Quote: Lelek
            "Outdated Tactics - Nothing Like It"
            Sometimes called "outdated" tactics that are ahead of their time. So multi-weapons on tanks did not take root for a number of reasons: the difficulty of fire control (low efficiency) in relation to costs, the increased silhouette and weight and complexity of manufacturing. Therefore, single-tower cannon tanks of a sufficiently large caliber, plus machine-gun weapons as additional ones, became classics.
            Now the situation is changing - automation allows you to set a variety of means of both defense and attack.

            Also with "mosquito" units. Only mosquito tactics do not mean five to ten or even twenty units. And hundreds. Relatively inexpensive unmanned, in fact - disposable, vehicles.

            My vision of an amateur is drawn by a small uninhabited submersible boat armed with one PC rocket. In the submerged state (0,5 - 2 m below the surface of the water) they occupy an attacking position. Surfacing, they develop great speed and with a maneuver try to attack the enemy’s warrant.

            Although, mb, this is utopia.
            1. 0
              18 October 2017 18: 05
              Quote: iConst
              Although, mb, this is utopia.


              Hey. Today for “404” this is a utopia, which will become a reality (maybe) in 50 years, if by that time such an “education” called Ukraine remains.
          2. +1
            18 October 2017 14: 28
            Somali pirates use it to capture unarmed ships. And these are going to river boats without missile weapons, with a displacement like our raptors, to use against warships. belay
            1. 0
              18 October 2017 18: 07
              Quote: g1v2
              And these are going to river boats without missile weapons, with a displacement like our raptors, to use against warships


              Hey. Therefore, he wrote a recipe - to drown upon detection.
  3. +6
    18 October 2017 07: 04
    Wet.
    and the name is so marine! Mack Crack!
  4. +2
    18 October 2017 07: 38
    he (the enemy’s ship) is not able to conduct many targets and, let’s say, fire on them

    Although they ripped off Soviet tactics, passing it off as their “know-how”, they remained in the last century.
  5. +7
    18 October 2017 07: 41
    Well, the article. It's funny when they respond to Ukrainian nonsense with Russian nonsense. Salvador Dali would envy.
    For comparison, it is enough to say that the corvettes arriving at the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation now (also small class ships) have a displacement of thousands of tons in 2,2.
    I wonder what kind of corvette is meant? 11356, which does not corvet and has in / and 3350 tons, or MRK, etc. 21631, which again does not corvet and has in / and about 900 tons. Or is it SKR Ave. 20380, which is yes, 2200 tons, but never arrives at the Black Sea Fleet. And since when did the classic TFR suddenly become a "small class ship"? I also understand the word "corvette", which became familiar, although it also does not correspond to the real classification. But the "small class ship" ...
    Oddly enough, the new life in the "mosquito" tactics breathed the end of the Cold War. At the beginning of the 2000, when the military budget was declining, the US Navy was faced with the fact that they simply did not have enough money to purchase and maintain large ships. There was an idea to replace some of them with a large number of small ships. A program to create littoral (coastal) warships was launched.
    The American LCS with a displacement of 2800 tons can be attributed to the "mosquito fleet" only if you do not smoke badly. And yes, the US Navy has always had enough funds to purchase large ships, unlike the Russian Navy. And LCS was created for completely different reasons, as for completely different reasons, the development of frigates in the US Navy was temporarily suspended.
    And so on.
    1. +4
      18 October 2017 08: 42
      Quote: Alex_59
      Well, the article. It's funny when they respond to Ukrainian nonsense with Russian nonsense. Salvador Dali would envy.
      .
      So how convenient it is to compare the Russian fleet with the Ukrainian fleet! Not to compare it with the American and Chinese. Against the background of Ukrainian inflatable boats, our patrol boats look menacing. Here you can take a soul to fool!
      1. +1
        18 October 2017 09: 12
        Stas157 Today, 08: 42 ↑
        Quote: Alex_59
        Well, the article. It's funny when they respond to Ukrainian nonsense with Russian nonsense. Salvador Dali would envy.
        .
        So how convenient it is to compare the Russian fleet with the Ukrainian fleet! Not to compare it with the American and Chinese. Against the background of Ukrainian inflatable boats, our patrol boats look menacing. Here you can take a soul to fool!

        no, you need to become like you and start writing nonsense. This post is about a potential conflict between the two sides and the tactics developed by one of them to counter the enemy. So then what does China and the USA have to do with it. Are they parties to the conflict?
        Maybe then to compare Nibiru with the galactic fleet? ...
        1. +5
          18 October 2017 09: 34
          Quote: Soho
          This post is about a potential conflict between the two sides and the tactics developed by one of them to counter the enemy.

          Do you seriously take the Ukrainian inflatable fleet as a threat ?? Then this article is for you!
          Quote: Soho
          So then what does China and the USA have to do with it. Are they parties to the conflict?

          Potential adversaries. Have you heard that expression?
          1. +1
            18 October 2017 09: 42
            Stas157 Today, 09:34
            Do you seriously take the Ukrainian inflatable fleet as a threat ?? Then this article is for you!

            Apparently, you begin to comment on the article by reading only its title. If you have no problems reading and comprehending what you read, then you can read the following:
            Ukrainian military sailors made boastful threats against Russia. In particular, they talked about what tactical instrument they are going to confront with the Russian Black Sea Fleet.

            if we are talking about trying to develop tactics for confronting the Ukrainian Navy (no matter how inflatable they are) with the Russian Navy, then it’s logical (guided by normal, not your logic) to compare the forces and capabilities of these two military organizations. And do not drag in here the Chinese, American, Belarusian fleet, the fleet of Papua New Guinea and something else that came to your mind.
            1. +4
              18 October 2017 10: 05
              Quote: Soho
              Ukrainian military sailors made boastful threats against Russia. In particular, they told

              Which sailors, admirals, prominent or sailors during a break? Why react to all sorts of gossip?
              Quote: Soho
              it is about trying to develop tactics to confront the Ukrainian Navy
              There are no Ukrainian Navy in nature after the Crimea returned to its Home Harbor. It is necessary to develop tactics in relation to a serious enemy, and not to fight with inflatable boats.
          2. +1
            18 October 2017 10: 00
            A potential opponent of Russia in the Black Sea is Turkey. There are no other states with a strong fleet. Or have American AUGs already appeared in your fantasies on the Black Sea?
            1. +4
              18 October 2017 10: 34
              Quote: CentDo
              A potential opponent of Russia in the Black Sea is Turkey. There are no other states with a strong fleet. Or have American AUGs already appeared in your fantasies on the Black Sea?

              So they would compare themselves with the Turkish fleet! And to align with the Ukrainians-do not respect yourself.
              1. +1
                18 October 2017 10: 55
                So the Turkish sailors do not yet boast that they have "developed" tactics for the struggle with our ships. The question is not with whom to compare yourself, but whether they can really threaten us or not. If a 76 mm gun were installed on Gyurza (which was not there, if only in the author’s fantasies), then these idiots would really have a chance at a joint attack from different directions (in my amateurish opinion). For example, the AK-176 holders for 12 km with a rate of fire up to 120 per minute. True, this installation weighs so much that it just cannot be shoved on Gyurzu.
                1. +3
                  18 October 2017 11: 34
                  Quote: CentDo
                  So the Turkish sailors do not yet boast that they have "developed" tactics for the struggle with our ships.

                  But what, do you need to develop tactics of counteraction to a potential adversary only after he has boasted?
                  1. +1
                    18 October 2017 12: 00
                    And then develop it? Do you think that fools are sitting in the headquarters who have no idea what to oppose the Turkish fleet? Or should they transmit all their plans to the media?
                    The article discusses the plans of a particular country to attack our ships. Or should the MO provide you with all its best practices in case of conflict with various states?
                  2. 0
                    18 October 2017 12: 18
                    Turkey will not attack the Russian Federation. As long as the Russian Federation has strategic nuclear weapons, no one will attack us, not even the United States. And the Turks are not suicides. Moreover, even without nuclear weapons Russia will give the Turks cuffs. But of course, it’s easier to burn Istanbul and Ankara with megaton warheads than to send your soldiers to storm Istanbul and Ankara.
    2. +1
      18 October 2017 10: 11
      Quote: Alex_59
      Ukrainian nonsense respond Russian nonsense. Salvador Dali would envy.

      This is worse than nonsense ... This is TSN against the First ... they stand each other.
      Brains horns without brains ...
      1. 0
        18 October 2017 12: 20
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xht0Kj71X5Y
        Watch the video of Sharia. It shows the real difference between Russian TV and farm-Rogul TV.
    3. +1
      18 October 2017 15: 41
      Quote: Alex_59
      And yes, the US Navy has always had enough funds to purchase large ships, unlike the Russian Navy. And LCS was created for completely different reasons.

      Initially, one of the reasons for creating LCS was just money.
      ... create a small, fast, maneuverable and relatively inexpensive member of the DD (X) family of ships

      For to build a sufficient number of "lockups" to drive them on every sneeze, even for the United States was impossible. Therefore, they decided to create the DDX littoral ship LCS to help DDX - a cheap universal platform with interchangeable weapons for working in areas of low intensity conflicts or in areas of national interest of the United States: PLO ship, ship for fighting surface targets, minesweeper, reconnaissance, PP / RTR, coast guard , interception of speed targets, special operations and supply. Moreover, it was believed that the ship would fight “remotely”, outside the range of destruction of coastal zusul means - the solution of most of the tasks could be assigned to unmanned aerial vehicles, surface and underwater vehicles based on LCS. And to save due to this on the constructive and active protection and body weight.
      But it was smooth on paper ... While the LCS reached the series, the Zusuls acquired RCC. And it turned out that they won’t be able to work remotely. But LCS is absolutely unsuitable for work in the conditions of the expected fire resistance: there is no constructive protection, there is practically no widespread use of light alloys in structures, air defense and electronic warfare. And now the fleet will either be forced to cover the LCS with DDX (which multiplies the original concept of the “replacement ship” by zero), or strengthen the design and armament of the LCS (which multiplies the original concept of the “cheap and massive ship” by zero).
      EMNIP, the last idea to strengthen LCS was to install “Ajis” on them. belay
      1. +1
        18 October 2017 21: 24
        Quote: Alexey RA
        Initially, one of the reasons for creating LCS was just money.

        Money, but not in the context in which the article says. There was enough and enough money for the construction of "big" ships in the USA. The Berks with the Virginia stamp the only way. We would like that. And LCS was an attempt to save on universalization. The type will be LCS - we will replace one with minesweepers, frigates, supply transports, scouts, etc. Due to modularity. The idea is sound, but in the end it turned out to be almost more expensive.
        Quote: Alexey RA
        While the LCS reached the series, the Zusuls acquired RCC. And it turned out that they won’t be able to work remotely.

        Yes, there is not only a problem there. For example, a minesweeper with remote devices and a UAV was still not full-fledged, i.e. In addition to such a remote-control mine-fighting ship, a highly specialized minesweeper is also needed (with a low-magnetic hull). Full-fledged missile defense / air defense in a modular design also fails to stick, only truncated in capabilities. And so on. Everything is complicated there, yes.
  6. sss
    +1
    18 October 2017 09: 11
    The Wolf Pack tactic was developed and tested by Kriegsmarine (navy of Nazi Germany). The goal is the destruction of convoys. The essence was as follows: 1. from intelligence sources we learned about the time, an approximate route and the composition of the convoy. 2. submarines (from 7 to 2 dozen) were sent to the Atlantic with the expectation that they could keep a stable radio communication between themselves. 3. when a convoy of one of the submarines was found, it transmitted coordinates, then the targets were distributed, and the pursuit and attack began. At the same time, the most trained and daring commanders took over the destruction and withdrawal of the security ships to the side, while the rest calmly shot peaceful ships.
    But the Germans had more than 1000 boats and trained crews, by the way, more than 700 boats were destroyed. And the whole idea was precisely the destruction of goods.
    And here is the question - from what the Ukrainian Navy is going to form its flocks and whom they are trying to scare. (rhetorical question).
  7. +1
    18 October 2017 09: 23
    It is worth reminding ukrovoyaki that with such tactics, the forces of the attackers are in fact kamikazes and it is effective only in case of a surprise attack from a short distance. The Georgians also tried to use such tactics, but in view of the lack of kamikaze in their army after the loss of the first ship, they reversed, so much so that in the end our ships left the abandoned ships that captured their base.
  8. HAM
    +1
    18 October 2017 09: 35
    Judging by the number of admirals in Ukraine, there will soon be 14 fleets.
    "Mosquito tactics" -yes, something about the American rubber boats is not heard, are they also involved?
  9. +3
    18 October 2017 09: 54
    Where did the author find a 76 mm cannon and a heavy machine gun on Gyurse-M? There are two 30 mm, two FCT and two 30 mm grenade launchers.
    1. 0
      18 October 2017 10: 13
      definitely not on wiki. Everything is right there.
      Considering that there is a reprint from the Look-and the authors. You can ask them a question. Only the meaning of such articles disassemble ..
      The TSN message was given such attention. I counted 5-6 articles on various resources about the wolf pack. More no less sober is. This is not one of them.
  10. +1
    18 October 2017 10: 06
    The authors rejoice early, because Although the Ukrainian Navy is obviously weak, there is a development and there is a tendency in their development vector (even voiced by NATO) that it will be an auxiliary fleet with all its coastal infrastructure to support the actions of NATO ships.
    Therefore, what they say in Kiev about the "wolf packs" there is propaganda for the processing of our own population (we are also constantly pumped up with such things, and absolutely everyone is doing this). But the development of the naval base in Bulgaria and Romania, against the background of naval exercises with Ukraine itself is the reality of the upcoming future of the Black Sea region. In the Baltic, exactly the same oil painting --- Baltic Navy auxiliary, but large NATO exercises in the Baltic give an idea that they will not alone confront (or rather attack), and overweight by pennant am, airplanes, etc.
  11. +2
    18 October 2017 12: 38
    Somehow, the 404 strategists forgot that even if the mosquito fleet ships somehow miraculously have the means to destroy large ships, the concept itself only works if the enemy does not have aviation.
    After all, the mosquito fleet does not have air defense equipment and, with the Russian Air Force completely dominating the region, midges are simply shot from the air.
  12. +1
    18 October 2017 14: 22
    Ukraine cannot boast not only of the authorship of the idea of ​​a “mosquito fleet”. The concept appeared during the First World War. Then it was believed that fast, maneuverable, and inconspicuous boats were able in the coastal areas to withstand the enemy’s armored fleet, depriving them of dominance.

    Actually, tactics "we are not afraid paladin the battleship is a lot of us, and he alone"- this is the legacy of the French Jeune École of the second half of the XNUMXth century. At that time, the French naval theorists were at a loss, delighted with a new weapon - a torpedo - which even a battleship could sink a small ship.
    The main idea of ​​Admiral Oba was the principle of "mobile defense": a stronger battleship fleet (of course, the British were implied) was opposed by numerous destroyer units based in all ports of the French coast. As needed, they would move to that port, where large enemy ships were concentrated and would tirelessly attack them day and night. Small destroyers, armed with one large-caliber cannon, also had to support the destroyers.
    © Kofman
    In theory, everything was great - the “destroyer flock”, operating in ideal weather conditions and having all the data about the enemy’s ships, could bite the battleship.
    In practice, it turned out that small ships have low autonomy, disgusting seaworthiness, an extremely small viewing radius, and even in good weather they cannot reach maximum speed. And with an increase in displacement to acceptable values, destroyers become good targets.

    As for the ideas of the "mosquito fleet" at the present time, the mosquito forces have the same problems + a new threat has been added - aviation. Moreover, due to the small size force, normal air defense cannot be put on boats, so the same “dry” air forces of the Black Sea Fleet can be entertained like in a shooting gallery.
    It’s also difficult for boats to hide or get lost in a crowd of civilian vessels: in the 80s of the last century, the Libyan RTO, disguised as a fishing vessel, was discovered, classified and hit after the very first turn on of the radar.
  13. 0
    18 October 2017 14: 42
    . rare stupidity and ignorance in tactics, but this is a purely Ukrainian talent
  14. 0
    21 October 2017 15: 05
    In order to become a kamikaze (and this whole story with a wolf pack reminded this very thing) you need a spirit, and Ukrainian warriors (remember the crying "paratrooper", a polkan eating his epaulettes, a warrior threatening the Chechens in his video, and then crawling on his knees and asking for forgiveness, and the warrior who drapes from the Crimea can go on indefinitely) I don’t say that everyone has, but most of them do. So, at least three ships will be dumped before they reach. So someone correctly said that they are not wolves, and jackals are a more appropriate definition of their tact ike battlefield.

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