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Hand-to-hand and howitzers in the center of Kiev: nationalists against nationalists

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The offensive against the Poroshenko regime that was being prepared quite openly for more than a month has begun!


Searches are now being conducted in the apartments of the officers of the Donbass battalion, established in 2014 as the "voluntary battalion" by Semen Semenchenko (Grishin), now a member of the Kiev regime parliament. For many, surprisingly, the current government in Kiev already enjoys the illegal status of the punitive battalions created immediately after the coup to initiate cases and searches.

In the same way, the nationalists in Lviv became the target of the offensive — the police carried out the arrests of activists of the autonomous resistance nationalist organization. Similarly, in May, the Berkut 2013 in Kiev detained exactly the same activists and in the winter of 2013-14 opposed the nationalists.

Yesterday, on the eve of the nationalist actions against Poroshenko announced a month ago, the nationalists of the Freedom Liberty, the National Azov Corps and the Right Sector created a springboard for the accumulation of forces in the center of the capital. Under the pretext of demands for nationalization, they seized the so-called "Yanukovich helipad" - unfinished a few hundred meters from the same Mariinsky park. in which howitzers are installed.

Hand-to-hand and howitzers in the center of Kiev: nationalists against nationalists


Currently, a rally with sporadic fights between nationalists and ... nationalists is taking place in the city center. The described O * Henry unfolds - the collapse of the trust from the inside.

However, one should not expect that today, disgruntled nationalists will take by storm the presidential administration and parliament, and Poroshenko, after Yanukovych, will flee to Rostov or Malta. In the plane of the president himself, in whose honor today the howitzers installed in the park gave an unusual salute for Kiev.



In the south of Russia, in the Ukraine, now Ukraine, the richest experience of organizing Maidan. The general plan for which he described in the last century Tychina: "On the Independence Stake of the Revolutionary Church. - High Shepherd! - they huknuli, - for the otaman bude. Farewell, wait for the will ...".
That's right - on the square near the church they shouted, they chose an ataman and “are waiting for freedom”.

That's just for every successful Maidan need an external customer. Poles, Germans, Americans - no matter. Without external support, Ukrainian Maidan is doomed to failure.

Today there is no such support and therefore there are more nationalists defending Poroshenko on the streets in the center of Kiev than nationalists demanding his removal from power.

In Kiev, there is not even a formal leader who would be unanimously supported by all the protesters. Neither Saakashvili's clown, profukuvshy own country, nor the old Yulia Tymoshenko, nor the Tighnibok or another leader, has not yet been approved by external "interested" as the new Messiah. There is no such general "Leader" for those who have taken to the streets.

In fact, we face the classic Ukrainian Maidan in the gestation stage. Protesters conduct a trial of strength. Swinging power, checking how stable it is. Trying to attract the attention of external sponsors. They prove that they deserve support both financially and politically.

But objectively, the next coup, neither the United States, nor the EU, nor Russia is needed today. On the contrary, even Russia financially supports the Kiev regime, allowing it to ripen. The trade turnover between Kiev and Moscow grew almost one and a half times this year compared to the first half of last year, a billion dollars were supplied for the smooth passage of the heating season. 16% increased investment from Russia.

Moscow is really trying to keep the continental part of Ukraine from further decay. Retain until the moment when she herself is ready (let's say politically correct) "to insist on the consistent implementation of the Minsk agreements." Having achieved the integration of the Republic of Donbass in the new Ukraine, which will replace the current one. Ideally, in the previous borders with the exception of the Crimea. At worst, excluding Galicia and (which I would not want to) Transcarpathia.

In the meantime ... for the time being, "rebellion cannot end in luck. Otherwise, it would have been called otherwise."




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  1. andrewkor
    andrewkor 18 October 2017 06: 34 New
    +7
    And the pots ended or something? Without them, somehow not in Svidomo!
    1. svp67
      svp67 18 October 2017 06: 50 New
      +4
      Quote: andrewkor
      And the pots ended or something? Without them, somehow not in Svidomo!

      They took it to the scrap metal collection points, you need to live on something ...
      1. The black
        The black 18 October 2017 07: 04 New
        +2
        there are no beds on muidan - and therefore a mess laughing
    2. rotmistr60
      rotmistr60 18 October 2017 07: 12 New
      +1
      Did the pots run out?

      In the pots until the remains of borsch. They’ll finish eating, aunts of their age will come out to “fight” for a just cause and immediately the pots on their heads will appear (before the first shot).
      1. FID
        FID 18 October 2017 08: 22 New
        +4
        Guys, are you from the USSR, or what? We grew up together ... Frenzied Natsik - under the distribution ... But the people ... Well, yes, it is a pity ...
        1. dauria
          dauria 18 October 2017 09: 14 New
          16
          Guys, are you from the USSR, or what? We grew up together ...


          That's the trouble. Those from the USSR (who grew up and at least joined the army under the USSR) are already under fifty dollars. And then a generation where there are no students, workers, employees, or mixed marriages together. This generation of “Ukrainians” is no closer to us than Bulgarians or Latvians. Are you sorry for the people? Yes, people are always sorry. Even the Germans - and even regretted it. Just before pity the face would not hurt to clean, they deserve it.
          1. revnagan
            revnagan 18 October 2017 13: 35 New
            +2
            Quote: dauria
            Just before pity the face would not hurt to clean, they deserve it.

            Excuse me, who are you going to “cleanse” the face? The people? Here I am, for example, the representative of the people of Ukraine. He didn’t support Banderlogov, didn’t vote for Potroshenko, and? Will you try to cleanse the face of my face, including me? And to millions of people like me? And then regret my kindness? But nothing that I (we) actually don't what are we not guilty of? And when we try to “punish” we will rightly give change. And leave pity for the banderlogs — they are not proud, they will not refuse.
            1. gladcu2
              gladcu2 18 October 2017 16: 57 New
              0
              revnagan

              Yes, and your face would not hurt to clean. For selfishness.

              In order to keep an eye on themselves, they did not give descent to other actions.

              Selfishness is parasitic towards society.

              Antonym to egoism, this is communism, but not as an ideology, but as a form of behavior.

              By the way, the word communism, many concepts are attached. This is a form of morality, it is an ideology, it is an economic system.

              Please do not confuse.
        2. novel66
          novel66 18 October 2017 09: 46 New
          +4
          In Soviet times, we were them (or vice versa), but paths and paths diverged, our children (theirs) no longer look at each other request
          1. FID
            FID 18 October 2017 10: 13 New
            +2
            I agree with both, BUT one ... sorry ....
        3. g1v2
          g1v2 18 October 2017 11: 33 New
          +7
          Sorry of course. But it was precisely those who grew up with us in the neighborhood and shouted that they were feeding Muscovites. And that without the RSFSR Ukraine will flourish now. And they rejoiced when our boys died in Chechnya. And they went there to earn money, fighting against us. Natsiks are just mercenaries in the service of Ukrainian elites. No more.
          Moreover, we are one people. Everything that happened in Ukraine happened with us. But Ukrainian elites are a specific enemy. The real one. Now he serves the United States, but he is ready to serve even Australia, if only against us. Therefore, as Cato, I believe that Carthage should be destroyed, and a fifth of our people should return back to a single country. MY IMHO. hi
          1. Irbenwolf
            Irbenwolf 18 October 2017 11: 43 New
            +1
            And they rejoiced when our boys died in Chechnya.

            But in Russia now they are not happy when there are losses in the Ukrainian army? The same salagas, by the way, are the same as those that fought in Chechnya.
            Moreover, we are one people.

            But this is true.

            Ukraine is passing now, what Russia was going through in the 90s under Yeltsin. Out of all this dirt that gurgles in the center of Kiev, according to the laws of the revolution, a leader should hatch. So he needs to be considered “cut” (even “put on a chain” in some ways) and help him take power.
            1. g1v2
              g1v2 18 October 2017 11: 54 New
              +5
              In my opinion, we do not need any leader there. We need the liquidation of this initially hostile state with the return of our people back. hi
              1. Lganhi
                Lganhi 18 October 2017 12: 28 New
                0
                All right. Ukraine as a state must be destroyed. It is best to give Volyn and Galicia to Poland, Transcarpathia Hungary, Northern and Southern Bukovina Romania, and New Russia Russia. And there will be only Little Russia with Kiev, Poltava, Zaporozhye and Zhytomyr.
                1. Setrac
                  Setrac 18 October 2017 21: 13 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Lgankhi
                  It is best to give Volyn and Galicia to Poland, Transcarpathia Hungary, Northern and Southern Bukovina Romania, and New Russia Russia. And there will be only Little Russia with Kiev, Poltava, Zaporozhye and Zhytomyr.

                  Why are you squandering the muzzle of the royal state lands?
            2. Lelek
              Lelek 18 October 2017 12: 41 New
              +1
              Quote: IrbenWolf
              The same salagas, by the way, are the same as those that fought in Chechnya.


              What are you talking about? These "salagi" with bouquets of flowers go to the so-called zone. ATO? Open up to the vest and kiss them for it? And 10000 buried in the Donbass (sometimes even without coffins) is this their childish pranks? And these “onihedets” in muzzles-balaclavas, burning living people in Odessa, laughed and cheered themselves up with Nazi chants, is this - harmless amusements of the mischievous boys? Think before you poke your finger on the "clave".
              1. gallville
                gallville 22 October 2017 16: 56 New
                0
                Quote: Lelek
                Think before you poke your finger on the "clave".

                It would be necessary to think about it first of all.
                Those boys conscripts from the BB who first poured Molotov cocktails and threw cobblestones sent to the Donbass. Yes, and mobilized not as it should be a year of urgency, but six months or even a year later than expected. The golden eagle who was called special pidrozdilom who put someone in the same boilers and drove.
                And how did large retail chains of their own employees surrender to the military registration and enlistment office upon request? Because they pressed the owners. What is now there still no one wants to work. And I wanted to remind you of the Dnepropetrovsk Airborne Brigade which is personally under the tribunal ........ (you read it on the Internet)? And to recall how many survivors survived among those who did not shoot at the beginning of the conflict over the population? The Armed Forces of Ukraine began to conduct hostilities from hopelessness behind the nazibatalons, in front of the "nonexistent BTG horse Buryats." Debaltsovo and Ilovaisk you will deny? I bet you applaud the achievements of fraternal relations in relevant topics.
                How do you (you do not deserve) differ from the same Natsik from Ukraine? Tricolor hung?
                Quote: Lelek
                And these “onihedets” in muzzles-balaclavas, burning living people in Odessa, laughed and cheered themselves up with Nazi chants, is this - harmless fun of mischievous boys?

                These children were brought from all over Ukraine under a football match. The fact that the curators of the “on-children” turned out to be more far-sighted than the curators of the “such children” on the other hand speaks volumes. Or maybe everything was agreed on both sides?
                Why in the Crimea did the AFU order not to shoot, but in the Donbas they gave? Yes, because they sold Crimea in advance, bargained for Odessa, and unleashed the massacre in the Donbass, so that they could build summer cottages for children in Malta.
                And you further “think” the smart guy. It is desirable in your own country. We have people like you in bulk.
                1. Lelek
                  Lelek 22 October 2017 17: 04 New
                  0
                  Quote: gallville
                  Why in the Crimea did the AFU order not to shoot, but in the Donbas they gave? Yes, because they sold Crimea in advance, bargained for Odessa, and unleashed the massacre in the Donbass, so that they could build summer cottages for children in Malta.


                  How is it served under the leadership of Muzhenko? Does not offend? Does the salary suit you? Be careful with disclosures and take care - the SBU is watching.
                  1. gallville
                    gallville 22 October 2017 17: 09 New
                    0
                    Quote: Lelek
                    How is it served under the leadership of Muzhenko? Does not offend? Does the salary suit you? Be careful with disclosures and take care - the SBU is watching.

                    What is troll immediately on the individual? In fact, is there anything to answer?
                    Sold the Russian Federation to Ukraine and Odessa sold. And in the Donbass, along with our own hubby, etc. wash the loot. Rejoice in the grief of the neighbors.
                    Well, at least they started to draw conclusions. Defend Syria. After 30 million. Slavs leaked to the Americans. For a couple of beaches and kickbacks on military spending.
            3. SpaceCom
              SpaceCom 20 October 2017 16: 54 New
              0
              I wrote and will write again if necessary: ​​"There is nothing in common between Chechnya and the Donbass!" And we “rejoice,” or rather believe that we have received what we deserve, we are among the losses among those who shoot at their people.
              About the 90s ... Have you had dawn and prosperity in these years? How many times do you need to step on the rake so that this same “leader” hatches?
          2. Axon
            Axon 18 October 2017 12: 52 New
            0
            loss? from bluing galleries? so according to kuev, Donetsk don’t naughty, get behind the 30th km, and there will be no losses.
          3. revnagan
            revnagan 18 October 2017 13: 41 New
            0
            Quote: g1v2
            one fifth of our people must return back to a single country. MY IMHO

            Why? Listen to what Ukrainians are ungrateful traitors, and what Russia feeds them out of mercy? Change some Jewish oligarchs in power to other, no less Jewish? Replace law enforcement officers shooting directly on the streets of Ukrainian cities with Caucasians? Well, what’s the interest of people?
            1. g1v2
              g1v2 18 October 2017 14: 25 New
              +2
              People’s interest in making Russians become 40 million more. So that Russian goods are sold to a much larger number of people, so that the mobilization reserve is much larger. To Russian people served in the Russian army, and not the enemy. To push the boundaries with the likely enemy from the most populated areas of the Russian Federation. To sell gas to the EU without intermediaries and blackmailers. So that in Russian cities no one could forbid Russians to speak Russian and much more.
              and UKRAINIAN MOVA DISCREDITED MYSELF ONLY WHAT IF IF IT IS STOPPED TO BE IMPOSED, THERE WILL BE SPEAKED ON IT ONLY IN THE AUTONOMOUS REPUBLIC OF GALICIA. Just because it will be needed neither for work, nor for study, nor for entertainment, nor for communication on the Internet. And she gets squeezed automatically along with Svidomo. hi
            2. sergey32
              sergey32 18 October 2017 14: 26 New
              0
              What for?
              Yes, for starters, just to survive. And then, to slowly establish life.
              And reproaches ... will certainly be at first. But we are not vindictive. In general, good people in Russia are always welcome, and let the banderlogs run to the canadians that are dear to their hearts.
  2. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 18 October 2017 06: 42 New
    +4
    The spiders in the jar gobbled up everything that was. It's time to switch to cannibalism. Bonus relief of the situation in LDNR. Not up to them, their life would be saved.
    1. The black
      The black 18 October 2017 07: 07 New
      0
      She didn’t, the Guarantor simply erected barricades there for himself, placed the hussars around the perimeter. This is so that the people would not kiss. laughing
    2. Lelek
      Lelek 18 October 2017 12: 45 New
      0
      Quote: Michael m
      Not up to them, their life would be saved.


      Hey. Not only the lives of self-loved ones, but also property acquired by "overwork".
  3. svp67
    svp67 18 October 2017 06: 42 New
    +4
    In the south of Russia, in Little Russia, now Ukraine, the richest experience in organizing Maidans.

    Maidan (from Tat., Kipch., Kazakh., Turk. [Maidan] “flat, free place”, tur., Crimean-Tat. [Mäidan] [1]; Arabic. ميدان ['maydān] [2] and Persian میدان [meydan]) - any open area, park or square; The main shopping area in the city, the bazaar. In this meaning, this word is used in the following languages:


    And the D-30 there is certainly a more PSYCHOLOGICAL weapon. Water guns, snipers and mortars would be more suitable to disperse this "maidan". Sometimes it’s a sinful thing to think that they would have been quicker to shoot each other’s arrows - shootings there. "Bolivar of two already definitely can not stand it"
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 18 October 2017 07: 02 New
      +1
      svp67 Today, 06: 42
      ... To disperse this "Maidan" would be more suitable water cannons, snipers and mortars.

      ... I suppose it is there ...
      1. svp67
        svp67 18 October 2017 07: 13 New
        +1
        Quote: aszzz888
        ... I suppose it is there ...

        Maybe, but all this works in the presence of "eggs", but this seems to be a problem.
        1. domokl
          domokl 18 October 2017 07: 32 New
          +2
          Nothing will work. Gunpowder will suffer another day and tomorrow everyone will safely kick everyone out of the Maidan. Democracy should exist until Friday morning .. Next weekend and everyone should leave for their cities and villages stop
          1. svp67
            svp67 18 October 2017 07: 34 New
            +1
            Quote: domokl
            Gunpowder will suffer another day and tomorrow everyone will safely kick everyone out of the Maidan.

            Is he going to push? Something Avakov’s police and the National Guard are not very eager to fight for Poroshenko .... But I don’t know what Poroshenko should promise Avakov.
          2. 73bor
            73bor 18 October 2017 08: 12 New
            0
            Poroshenko will tolerate, but apparently he will not be able to kick anyone out if he could then just arrest Saakashvili when crossing the border and now, after a couple of days it will be too late!
            1. Romey
              Romey 18 October 2017 10: 45 New
              +3
              Apparently, a rotation just happens in Kiev (perhaps its dress rehearsal, or just a means of mocking the election campaigns about Trump) of the sixes of the US Democratic Party Poroshenko and Avakov on the old tested sixes of the Republican Party of the USA Saakashvili and Tymoshenko. Whether it is Maidan or not, everything will depend on the mood of the gentlemen in Washington. Question: what will change for us? And absolutely nothing. Ukraine will not fall apart, as the Minsk adherents expect, no ripening of Bandera to the Georgian version can happen, Don’t push the Donbass to the Bandera on their own terms, but the NATO troops and missile defense systems will inevitably be deployed in Sumy and Kharkov regions. Do you know what the main villainy is? And the fact that in Moscow they no longer even try to hide the support of the former junta, although the clowns on the central assembly are still having fun hanging us noodles for the Kremlin "patriotism" ...
  4. Ren
    Ren 18 October 2017 06: 52 New
    +5
    In February 2014 was February revolution.
    In October 2017 they want to stir up October revolution.
    Everything in the world is cyclical, we are waiting for October 25-26, 2017. repeat
    And then and now the main revolutionary arrived from the west recourse
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 18 October 2017 07: 04 New
      +1
      Ren Today, 06:52 In February 2014 there was a February revolution.
      In October 2017, they want to stir up the October revolution.
      Everything in the world is cyclical, we are waiting for October 25-26, 2017.

      ... petsk-drunk at the gypsy, and she wonders what number he will be swept away ... bully
  5. Baloo
    Baloo 18 October 2017 07: 52 New
    +1
    In fact, we are faced with the classic Ukrainian Maidan in the ripening stage. Protesters conduct a test of strength. Power is rocking, checking how stable it is. Trying to attract the attention of external sponsors. They prove that they are not worthy of support, both financial and political.
    But objectively, the next coup neither the US, nor the EU, nor Russia is needed today.

    In the history of fascist Germany, this “revolutionary situation” ended at night with long knives. The question is who will be the victim.
    If the beggar fails, the Führer will come to power predictably. This is either Beletsky or Nalyvaichenko. The rest are balabol and cormorants.
    let's hope that this time will do without Estonian and Lviv snipers.
  6. parusnik
    parusnik 18 October 2017 08: 05 New
    +2
    Who will distribute cookies, that Maidan ordered, but so far no one is visible at the distribution ..
  7. German Titov
    German Titov 18 October 2017 09: 00 New
    +1
    Having achieved the integration of the Republics of Donbass into that new Ukraine, which will replace the current one. Ideally, within the former borders, with the exception of Crimea. At worst - excluding Galicia and (which I would not want) Transcarpathia.
    I wonder how the author imagines this? We have hryvnia-foreign currency. Ukraine has so managed to "love" everything, starting in 2014, that it will be "wise" to glue something. We are “orcs” for them, and they are “dill” for us.
    1. Romey
      Romey 18 October 2017 11: 14 New
      +1
      The saddest thing is that this is not only the author of this article, but also the guys who thought of this "brilliant" idea. I don’t know if it’s Aslanbek Andarbekovich (aka Surkov) so he moved his brains, or did the Greatest Politician of our time himself make another brilliant move?
    2. Alex_59
      Alex_59 18 October 2017 11: 28 New
      +1
      Quote: German Titov
      I wonder how the author imagines this?

      Well, for example. 17 years ago, Chechens killed Russians, and Russians demolished Chechen villages with artillery and tanks in the lunar landscape.
      And now the world. Thin world. With excesses. But the world.
  8. Nikolai Petrov
    Nikolai Petrov 18 October 2017 09: 43 New
    0
    Quote: svp67
    In the south of Russia, in Little Russia, now Ukraine, the richest experience in organizing Maidans.

    Maidan (from Tat., Kipch., Kazakh., Turk. [Maidan] “flat, free place”, tur., Crimean-Tat. [Mäidan] [1]; Arabic. ميدان ['maydān] [2] and Persian میدان [meydan]) - any open area, park or square; The main shopping area in the city, the bazaar. In this meaning, this word is used in the following languages:


    And the D-30 there is certainly a more PSYCHOLOGICAL weapon. Water guns, snipers and mortars would be more suitable to disperse this "maidan". Sometimes it’s a sinful thing to think that they would have been quicker to shoot each other’s arrows - shootings there. "Bolivar of two already definitely can not stand it"

    I agree on the account of the psychological. And the muzzle brake is dismantled, and there is no rollback in the video when shooting. So they shot at idle. And about the next Maidan, so it’s probably some agents of Putin maydan against other agents of Putin. In ward number 6 it is infinite.
  9. Des10
    Des10 18 October 2017 12: 17 New
    0
    Borjom will not help laughing !
    "Without external support, the Ukrainian Maidan is doomed to defeat."
    Well, everyone knows the daily consumption of the Maidan, not Samaritans paid there. Now - people want the same, but ... don’t sponsor it! For it is not profitable. Wash your past dignity - puppets.
  10. Megamarcel
    Megamarcel 18 October 2017 14: 42 New
    0
    Stalin would have solved the Ukrainian question in a week, because he was independent of external factors (partners). But the current Russian authorities feel sorry for the English and Swiss mansions. Therefore, this push will push continue for a long time. Of course, as always, mostly peaceful people will suffer.