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What is behind the "aggressiveness" of Israel in Syria

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So, the situation in the Middle East is "spinning" rapidly. Terrorism, which the region has long been famous for, is suffering defeat on all fronts. Questions that nobody even wanted to talk about a year or two ago are starting to be decided today. And solved quickly enough. In Astana, it has become customary to see sworn enemies at the same table. People who were tired of the war on both sides began to think not only about their own claims against the enemy, but also about the claims of the enemy against them. And it costs a lot.




But there is a state that in this situation can lose a lot. And geographically, and in the moral and political terms. I write about Israel. Many readers wonder why Israel strikes Syrian positions today? Why, for example, the Syrian C-200 battery was destroyed? Destroyed just like that. There was no particular military need for this. Meanwhile, the battery, if you look at the map, was just 50 km from Damascus.

And then another question. Why did Israeli political and military leaders visit Moscow? I have the impression that the Israelis are now flying this route "to work". What for? What did the Kremlin need of the Jewish state? Yes, and those with whom Israeli leaders meet, obviously not engaged in the economy. In particular, on Monday in Moscow met the heads of the military departments, Sergei Shoigu and Avigdor Lieberman.

The meeting itself is interesting because Russia and Israel are on opposite sides of the barricades in the events in the Middle East. We support President Assad, while Israel actively supports those who seek his overthrow. And even now, I cited the example above, spoiling the petty Syrian army. Why small?

Yes, simply because for the Syrian army the destruction of the same battery is unpleasant, but not critical. President Assad is well aware that the Israelis will not go further. Then they will have to face the Russian C-400. For Russia, such attacks are also more like mosquito beeps. Beeps mosquito. It is unpleasant to listen. But, it is worth trying to bite a mosquito, for his life no one will give even a broken penny. Slam.

Moreover, on Monday, Sergei Shoigu during a meeting with Lieberman announced the imminent completion of the operation in Syria. "I would like to separately discuss everything related to Syria. The operation there is coming to an end. There are several points that require urgent solutions and require discussion of the prospects for further development of the situation in Syria." So what's the deal? What does Israel need from Moscow today?

The answer to this question was also voiced in the statement of the Russian Minister of Defense: "Apart from the questions of our military and military-technical cooperation, of course, the main and main question is related to the fight against terrorism and the situation in the region." And I would pay particular attention to the last words. On the situation in the region. Let's try to understand the distribution of power today.

What is happening now on the line of contact between the Syrian army and the militants reminds the press. Assad is pressing the terrorists towards Idlib. "Moderate", realizing this, go to the negotiations and gradually out of the war. The rest, the most odious and warlike, the Syrian army gather in a heap, for complete destruction in one place.

This is a rational grain. Why spray power and money if you can strike with a fist? Some analysts today are talking about the support of US militants. I do not argue, such support exists. This was repeatedly stated by our Ministry of Defense. And not only stated, but also led the facts of such support.

However, it is already clear that the US influence in the region is falling. And stop this fall is almost impossible. The only option for America is to completely, by 100%, change its views on Syria. Recognize the legitimacy of the election of Assad and the government in Damascus. What, of course, Trump just can not do. With all their desire.

But back to Israel. To the origins of the Israeli policy towards Syria. Those attacks that Israel periodically inflicted earlier, were made just in the interests of the United States. The Western coalition for the Jewish state was the only option for its own security. Many have forgotten, but Syria and Israel are still in a state of war. From 1948 year! Many have forgotten that in 1967, Israel occupied the Golan Heights and annexed them in 1981.

In addition, it seems to me, the Israelis did not want to "stay with their own" after the defeat of the Assad army by the Americans. Very much they wanted to get their own gesheft after dividing Syria into zones of influence. Jerusalem never spends its own shekels just like that. Jewish practicality has become the talk of the town.

In principle, everything would have happened, did not interfere in the Syrian war, Russia. And the two years that the Russian operation has been going on have radically changed the alignment of forces in the region. Today, Israel can no longer boast the strength of its own army. No, no one detracts from the opportunities of the Israelis. Just the possibility of opponents have increased significantly.

The Syrian army two years ago and the Syrian army today are two completely different armies. This also applies to the Iranian army. Well-armed and "modernized" with the help of Russia, the army with many years of combat experience, motivated and evil. And most importantly, the army, which remember their defeat in the year 1967. Jerusalem is well aware that the responsibility for the sacrifices made by Syrian families during the civil war also lies with Israel. It was Israel that supported the terrorists. But there is also Lebanon. The 1982 war of the year was not forgotten there either. And Iraq remembers everything.

Assad today does not state his intentions regarding Israel. The liberation of the country must be completed. And Iran? Hassan Rouhani does not hide his desire to destroy the Jewish state as such. And this is the official position.

I do not think that after the destruction of the terrorists, Iran and Syria will disband their own armies. But you can not keep them idle. Everyone understands that in this case any excesses are possible. A soldier must either fight or go home. Restore destroyed by war. Assad and Rouhani will not go to reduce the army. Just because such a reduction will give the terrorists who are hiding today the opportunity to re-launch the booze. And they do not need to look for the enemy. And the troops do not need to motivate. Here it is, the enemy!

A gloomy deal for Israel? Alas, gloomy, but not critical. Considering the remaining "attendant factors." At the beginning of the article I did not just talk about the frequent trips to Moscow. The Israeli leadership is starting to play another card today. This game fits perfectly and completely unnecessary to anyone air strikes.

Recall Astana. Who is represented in the negotiations there? And, most importantly, who is not there! But Israel is not there. From the word not at all. This means that Jerusalem is excluded from the list of those who decide the fate of the region. Consequently, for the regional policy of this state is not. With all the consequences. That is why Israel’s “aggressiveness” has emerged. “Hey, we are fighting too. We are also a significant military force that can ignite the Middle East. So we must also decide the fate of the region. Quickly move over and give us a chair at your table!”. Like that.

And who can "put in a word" for the Jews in Astana? Well, about Syria and Iran is understandable. Turkey? Well yes. Especially after the Israelites quarreled with Erdogan in tatters. USA? So Americans can not protect their own interests in the region. Not Israel until today. "The case smells like kerosene." How would the United States not fly out of the Middle East. So who remains?

It is clear that we will not allow the destruction of Israel. We are not only Russia, but also other countries. The Jewish state took place, it was suffered by the people. And from the point of view of big politics, today everyone needs it. About the balance of power, no one forgets. Israel is a counterweight to the Arab states. No matter what we say about Iran, the strengthening of Tehran’s position is obvious today. After the victory in Syria, the position of Damascus will also increase. And in perspective, we can get a rather serious coalition of Arab states. And there ... The East is a dark matter.

What is happening today at the top, says only one thing. Moscow leads its party very rationally and with a long-range sight. We are gradually becoming necessary not only for Arabs, but also for Israelis. And the Turks. And this means that the plans of the West to organize the blockade of Russia fail. The west remains in the west. And there we can handle.

No wonder Israeli politicians are coming. Oh, no wonder. Moscow will again become the savior of Israel. The initiator of the creation were. Now we will also be saviors. One important question remains. What to do with the annexed Golan Heights? Will we be able to influence Damascus and Tehran, or not? Honestly, I'm not sure about that. So, not sure about the preservation of peace in this region. But this is a private opinion about which one can argue ...
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  1. svp67
    svp67 18 October 2017 06: 40
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    What is behind the "aggressiveness" of Israel in Syria
    Interests, vital interests and nothing personal. Now the question is very important for Israel: who will remain in Syria after the war, Russia or Iran? Do not be surprised, but there are strong contradictions with Iran. Iran has set everything up to create "semi-partisan detachments" in the image of its IRGC. Which does not badly solve issues of religious purges and in the partisan war against Israel. Russia, however, set the revival of the Syrian army. Whether we want it or not, but after the victory these forces clash in Syria. And so I understand that Assad does not know whose side to take ... In Syria, everything has just begun. And the first step to change is when the change of power takes place, it is not in vain that our side is doing its best to promote "one of the young and early army generals"
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 18 October 2017 06: 51
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      Quote: svp67
      it’s not in vain that our side is doing its best to promote “one of the young, but early army generals”

      Or maybe this creation of an alternative to Assad is just a political move, laying eggs in different baskets? It is better to create a manual opposition ourselves than to fight the real one. By the way, this practice is used by all governments in the world. hi
      1. svp67
        svp67 18 October 2017 06: 55
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        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Or maybe this creation of an alternative to Assad is just a political move, laying eggs in different baskets? It is better to create a manual opposition ourselves than to fight the real one. By the way, this practice is used by all governments in the world.

        Everything can be. It’s just that there’s NOTHING over yet ...
        1. domokl
          18 October 2017 07: 20
          +2
          I will throw logs in the fire of your discussion. And how do you look at the fact that today's "irreconcilable" with their own interests will remember the past? When did they attack Israel all together? The new Arab-Israeli war? bully
          1. svp67
            svp67 18 October 2017 07: 23
            +4
            Quote: domokl
            And how do you look at the fact that today's "irreconcilable" with their own interests will remember the past? When did they attack Israel all together? The new Arab-Israeli war?

            Now, without Egypt, they have NO CHANCE chances ... Israel has managed to break the "insulating tape". Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon ... so far no games.
          2. andj61
            andj61 18 October 2017 09: 07
            +9
            Quote: domokl
            President Assad is well aware that the Israelis will not go any further. Then they will have to face the Russian S-400. For Russia, such attacks are also more like a mosquito squeak. Peeps a mosquito. Unpleasant to listen to. But, it’s worth a mosquito try to bite, no one will give a penny for his life. Slam.

            Quote: svp67
            Now, without Egypt, they have NO CHANCE chances ... Israel has managed to break the "insulating tape". Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon ... so far no games.

            They don’t have strength now - they won’t be in the foreseeable future either. If nothing happened against the really weak Israel in the 60s and 70s, now there is no chance at all - the forces of Israel really surpass - at least in this region - the forces of Assad, the forces of Iran, and the forces of all semi-partisan pro-Iranian factions, and the forces of Russia. And there we must still take considerable interest and the strength of Turkey into account. And all these interests are significantly different from each other. Moreover, it is worth considering that Russia will not go to a conflict with Israel - this is evidenced by the increasing contacts of senior officials of both countries.

            The Israelis will not go any further not because of the threat that they will be "slammed". The real capabilities of the Israeli Air Force plus the capabilities of operational-tactical missiles are such that these three (or still two?) S-300 and S-400 air defense systems, even taking into account the Russian airborne forces located in Syria, are unlikely to pose a real threat to them. For a more or less significant air defense, this group must be radically increased - up to 20-30 air defense systems of this type. Plus, increase the number of aircraft. Israel, of course, will suffer losses, maybe even significant ones, but it has enough forces and means to destroy this group. But Israel does not need a conflict from the word “absolutely” - there is no interest in this and, especially, a gesheft.
            Does Israel want to strengthen its influence after the conflict in Syria? And to which territories and to whom can this influence be extended? It can only be Druze and Christians. Christians left Syria in large numbers and are unlikely to return, and the Druze traditionally support the official state, and in any country, without interfering in conflicts. And there are no significant enclaves inhabited exclusively by the Druze — there are more Sunnis than any other.
            So the interest of Israel is to keep the annexed Golan behind itself and to consolidate the existing situation, provided that the country's security is ensured. And if Assad or his successor can solve internal problems and resolve relations with Israel - for example, on the basis of free will of the indigenous population of the Golan, then this will be in the interests of both parties. The indigenous population of the Golan is the Druze, and they will vote for Israel in any way. And after the settlement of relations, tasty geshefts of dynamically developing Israel with Syria with resources are already possible. If this takes place under the patronage of Russia, it is very much in our interests, as well as in the interests of Israel and Syria. Yes, and pushing Iran would also be nice. hi
            1. Akuzenka
              Akuzenka 18 October 2017 10: 55
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              No wonder Israeli politicians come. Oh, not in vain. Moscow will again become the savior of Israel. The initiator of the creation were. Now we will also become saviors.

              As soon as they get what they want, they will immediately betray all the agreements. They need to be taken with money, in the sense of an interest-free loan, for about 20 years. In order to understand what happened, the money will disappear.
      2. xetai9977
        xetai9977 18 October 2017 10: 47
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        Article - continuous pathos! Wow! "for the Syrian army, the destruction of the same battery is unpleasant, but not critical." It turns out that a completely expensive air defense system, whatever it was, is a minuscule for Asadushka. His army is super-duper armed! laughing Further- "For Russia, such raids are also more like a mosquito squeak. Mosquito peeps. It’s unpleasant to listen to." Ally is outlined along and across, whenever they want and wherever they want, it turns out the mosquito peeps laughing Further. "The Syrian army two years ago and the Syrian army today are two completely different armies. This also applies to the army of Iran. Well-armed ... with many years of combat experience, motivated and evil ... It is clear that we will not allow the destruction of Israel." laughing laughing laughing Tremble, Israel! Assadushka with his "great and invincible" army is coming at you! laughing laughing This also applies to Iran. By the way. His army will be more powerful at times Syrian, but even in this case, the Ayatollahs do not shine. This is to say the least. In general, the author amused the audience in the morning.
    2. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 18 October 2017 13: 05
      +3
      Quote: svp67
      What is behind the "aggressiveness" of Israel in Syria
      Interests, vital interests and nothing personal. Now the question is very important for Israel: who will remain in Syria after the war, Russia or Iran? Do not be surprised, but there are strong contradictions with Iran. Iran has set everything up to create "semi-partisan detachments" in the image of its IRGC. Which does not badly solve issues of religious purges and in the partisan war against Israel. Russia, however, set the revival of the Syrian army. Whether we want it or not, but after the victory these forces clash in Syria. And so I understand that Assad does not know whose side to take ... In Syria, everything has just begun. And the first step to change is when the change of power takes place, it is not in vain that our side is doing its best to promote "one of the young and early army generals"

      Well, something like this.

      Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu told Israel that Russia agreed with the idea of ​​an Israeli “security zone” near the Israeli-Syrian border in the Golan Heights. 
      The purpose of creating such a zone is to distance Iranian Hezbollah operatives and militants from the Israeli border. 
      The Pan-Arab newspaper Asharq Al-Awsat claims that Israel demanded to expand the borders of this zone from five to forty kilometers inland Syrian territory, but Shoigu called such demands "unrealistic." 
      Shoigu also assured that Iranian agents and Hezbollah had not appeared at the border since the Russian forces arrived there and promised to expand the security zone to 10-15 kilometers. Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu told Israel that Russia agreed with the Israeli idea “Security zones” near the Israeli-Syrian border on the Golan Heights. 

      The purpose of creating such a zone is to distance Iranian Hezbollah operatives and militants from the Israeli border. 
      The Pan-Arab newspaper Asharq Al-Awsat claims that Israel demanded to expand the borders of this zone from five to forty kilometers inland Syrian territory, but Shoigu called such demands "unrealistic." 
      Shoigu also assured that Iranian agents and Hezbollah had not appeared at the border since the Russian forces arrived there, and promised to expand the security zone to 10-15 kilometers.

      1. antivirus
        antivirus 20 October 2017 13: 26
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        Will there be gas from Israel to Turkey and Europe?
    3. Primoos
      Primoos 18 October 2017 13: 36
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      And why should we not allow the destruction of the Jewish state? The counterbalance to the Arab states are the Arab states themselves, which are constantly merging with each other. Also Iran, which is not at all Arabic. So, we don’t owe Israel anything. They diligently sowed hatred around them, so let these supporters of terrorists choke on Arab gratitude.
  2. inkass_98
    inkass_98 18 October 2017 06: 43
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    And my personal opinion is that without the support of the United States and the containment of Arabs and Persians by Russia from Israel, nothing would have remained for a long time. No matter how hard this country and the way of life that the Israelis want to lead, they have created many problems surrounding their existence. And for this they would simply be swept away by the masses, despite the Israel Defense Forces and all special services, trampled underfoot. And this is at best.
    Some people in Israel understand this perfectly and behave accordingly, while others think that all of Israel’s current achievements are solely because they are so wonderful, smart and beautiful. And they try to bullse everyone around, and even give advice to Terran how to behave.
    1. domokl
      18 October 2017 07: 18
      +3
      In the same way, you can write about any "small" state. "Turn the world" is the lot of empires ... The fate of the rest is to adapt to live upside down once again
      1. inkass_98
        inkass_98 18 October 2017 08: 22
        +6
        Here ambitions are by no means at all a "small state", but at least a "watching" in the Mediterranean and the Middle East. High bridges.
        1. domokl
          18 October 2017 10: 17
          +3
          good Handsomely. I somehow missed such an opportunity in my reasoning. I confess recourse Century live a fool die
    2. antivirus
      antivirus 20 October 2017 13: 33
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      Nobody forgets about the balance of power. Israel is a counterbalance to the Arab states.

      we balance too
      "if mushrooms grew" ... in the Russian Federation with a normal population growth (2-3% per year) for 25 years + 70-90 million people = 250 million people
      THIS IS ANOTHER COUNTRY AND INFLUENCE IN THE WORLD !!!!!!!!!!!!
      and Israel, too, has diminished in its influence over the surrounding Arab world. Military power is not equal to influence. a simple boycott of the Arabs (all of a sudden) and WHAT NEXT? only the darkness ahead
      .. "and again the battle continues and the heart is anxious in the chest ... and Golda Meir is so young and young ..."
  3. Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 18 October 2017 06: 47
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    Jewish state took place it is suffered by the people
    Whose people, Sasha? It was mainly the peoples who were not Jewish who suffered, but those on whose lands they founded this artificial state.
    Gloomy alignment for Israel? Alas, it’s gloomy, but not critical.
    Given Israel’s nuclear weapons, it’s not even gloomy.hi
    1. domokl
      18 October 2017 07: 16
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      Quote: Ingvar 72
      It was mainly the peoples who were not Jewish who suffered, but those on whose lands they founded this artificial state.

      And this is true. However, at the international level, the genocide of the Jewish people is recognized, but Russian or Belarusian, for example, is not. It seems like just the victims of the war, and not destroyed on an ethnic basis ... That's such a "truth", her mother ...
      1. CONTROL
        CONTROL 18 October 2017 11: 24
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        Quote: domokl
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        It was mainly the peoples who were not Jewish who suffered, but those on whose lands they founded this artificial state.

        And this is true. However, at the international level, the genocide of the Jewish people is recognized ... That's such a "truth", her mother ...

        However, the seeds of doubt in the "Holocaust" were sown by the West itself, and they fell into fertile, generously fertilized soil ... when there are doubts even about the initiators and organizers of the Hitlerite genocide of Jews ...
    2. SMP
      SMP 18 October 2017 07: 35
      +4
      Given Israel’s nuclear weapons, it’s not even gloomy.


      1. To have nuclear weapons you need at least a centrifuge to enrich uranium ore, but where are these facilities in Israel? at the bottom of the dead sea?

      2. It is also necessary to have a testing ground for nuclear charges, because it is not TNT, pliz smile reference to at least one nuclear test conducted by israel? Where are the trials? Where is the training ground?
      Enough high school 10 classes and knowledge of physics in accordance with the program to understand that weapons-grade plutonium or enriched uranium, like on the first bombs, is not ordinary explosives, and without tests it is impossible to create nuclear weapons on your own in principle.

      3. And if in isril there is still nuclear weapons, how did it end up there?
      Naturally, from the United States, that is, the unpleasant situation looms in the United States in Israel during the Cold War, located their base with nuclear weapons, and if they use this type of weapon created by Israel on its own.

      4. All laboratories in Europe Russia China after using the remaining isotopes, it’s easy to determine whose weapon it is from Sev. Korea, Russia, from China or from Russia.
      So it is not known why libermans and others ran in .... to Moscow, and what they agree on there, since the Israeli lobby in Russia is quite influential.
      1. domokl
        18 October 2017 08: 10
        +5
        Quote: SMP
        To have nuclear weapons

        Kedmi answered this question in Solovyov’s program. Does Israel have nuclear weapons? I do not know. But try to take it away from us ... Something like that. I can not vouch for the accuracy. I quote from memory ..
      2. Professor
        Professor 18 October 2017 08: 11
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        Quote: SMP
        And if in YSril there is still nuclear weapons, how did it end up there?
        Naturally from the USA


        Quote: SMP
        And I’ll add to the preceding commentary, what if Israel conducted the tests at the American training ground in Nevada or at Francis Kourou, or with the British? That treaty on the non-proliferation of nuclear weapons turns into a filkin letter.

        Yeah. Commentators have dropped below the plinth. That is, conducting tests at US training grounds is a violation of the NPT, and transferring weapons to Israel is normal. wassat
        1. andj61
          andj61 18 October 2017 09: 38
          +4
          Quote: Professor
          Quote: SMP
          And if in YSril there is still nuclear weapons, how did it end up there?
          Naturally from the USA


          Quote: SMP
          And I’ll add to the preceding commentary, what if Israel conducted the tests at the American training ground in Nevada or at Francis Kourou, or with the British? That treaty on the non-proliferation of nuclear weapons turns into a filkin letter.

          Yeah. Commentators have dropped below the plinth. That is, conducting tests at US training grounds is a violation of the NPT, and transferring weapons to Israel is normal. wassat

          In fact, it’s no secret that Israel created nuclear weapons on its own with the initial assistance of France, which was provided at the beginning of the 60. And the United States has nothing to do with this. request
          As for the tests - here nothing is reliably known about them. On September 22 on 1979 in the South Atlantic, near the Prince Edward Islands, over the desert ocean, the American Vela satellite recorded a series of light bursts characteristic of a nuclear explosion of a charge of 2-3 kiloton capacity. It is widely believed that this was an Israeli nuclear test (possibly conducted jointly with South Africa). The United States immediately released the data. There are not even any hints and rumors about conducting tests of Israeli nuclear weapons in Western countries.hi
          1. Professor
            Professor 18 October 2017 09: 52
            +4
            Quote: andj61
            In fact, it’s no secret that Israel created nuclear weapons on its own with the initial assistance of France, which was provided at the beginning of the 60. And the United States has nothing to do with this.
            As for the tests - here nothing is reliably known about them. On September 22 on 1979 in the South Atlantic, near the Prince Edward Islands, over the desert ocean, the American Vela satellite recorded a series of light bursts characteristic of a nuclear explosion of a charge of 2-3 kiloton capacity. It is widely believed that this was an Israeli nuclear test (possibly conducted jointly with South Africa). The United States immediately released the data. There are not even any hints and rumors about conducting tests of Israeli nuclear weapons in Western countries.

            All that you wrote is famous rumors, including flare-ups in the Atlantic Ocean. The presence of nuclear weapons is not known for certain.
            1. andj61
              andj61 18 October 2017 11: 00
              +3
              Quote: Professor
              All that you wrote is famous rumors, including flare-ups in the Atlantic Ocean. The presence of nuclear weapons is not known for certain.

              But as for the reactor launched in 1963, this is a fact - everything else, of course, is just a rumor ...
              Particularly closely in the development of nuclear weapons, the Israelis collaborated with France. In 1950-1960, Israeli specialists participated in the French nuclear bomb program and the Israeli side was transferred data obtained during France's nuclear tests in the Sahara desert in 1960-1964. In addition, France helped Israel create an industrial base for producing weapons-grade plutonium. According to a secret Franco-Israeli agreement signed in 1956, the French built in Dimona (Negev desert, 120 kilometers southeast of the city of Tel Aviv) a heavy water reactor IRR-2 with natural uranium with an initial electric power of 26 MW. This reactor was commissioned in 1963 and modernized in the 70s: according to estimates, its electric power increased to 75–150 MW. As a result, the production of weapons-grade plutonium could increase from 7–8 to 20–40 kilograms per year. http://www.atomic-energy.ru/smi/2013/10/24/44638

              I note that cooperation with France on the nuclear program was carried out in the 50s and 60s, and the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT) was open for signing only in 1968. That is, these facts are not covered by the Treaty. hi
              1. Professor
                Professor 18 October 2017 11: 04
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                Quote: andj61
                But as for the reactor launched in 1963, this is a fact - everything else, of course, is just a rumor ...

                And the Sorek reactor was built back in 1950. So what? Both Chernobyl and Fukushima had reactors, but what does this have to do with nuclear weapons? request
                1. andj61
                  andj61 18 October 2017 11: 08
                  +3
                  Quote: Professor
                  And the Sorek reactor was built back in 1950. So what? Both Chernobyl and Fukushima had reactors, but what does this have to do with nuclear weapons?

                  Only at the Chernobyl-type reactor and at Fukushima is it difficult to produce weapons-grade plutonium, let’s say so. But the reactor built by the French in Dimon, in addition to research tasks, was intended for this. Naturally, too - the production of weapons-grade plutonium is exclusively wink for research purposes! bully hi
                  1. Professor
                    Professor 18 October 2017 11: 15
                    +2
                    Quote: andj61
                    Only at the Chernobyl-type reactor and at Fukushima is it difficult to produce weapons-grade plutonium, let’s say so. But the reactor built by the French in Dimon, in addition to research tasks, was intended for this. Naturally, too - the production of weapons-grade plutonium for research purposes only!

                    Again rumors and divorce to Vaanunu. Well, what the hell is weapons-grade Plutonium? request
                    1. andj61
                      andj61 18 October 2017 11: 25
                      +3
                      Quote: Professor
                      Again rumors and divorce to Vaanunu. Well, what the hell is weapons-grade Plutonium?

                      And Mordechai, who was just a technician, what does it have to do with the French-built reactor? The data on the "exit" of plutonium from this reactor were presented by the French themselves.
                2. CONTROL
                  CONTROL 18 October 2017 11: 44
                  +1
                  Quote: Professor
                  And the Sorek reactor was built back in 1950. So what? Both Chernobyl and Fukushima had reactors, but what does this have to do with nuclear weapons?

                  We will establish stream production of burers and bloodsuckers! Let's give out a superplanned batch of snorts, controllers and poltergeists!
                  ---------------------------------
                  Was this the purpose of the Israeli nuclear program?
                  ... then - it turned out!
            2. Stiletto_711
              Stiletto_711 18 October 2017 22: 03
              +1
              Quote: Professor
              All you wrote is famous rumors
              .
              Quote: Professor
              The presence of nuclear weapons is not known for certain

              I think everything will become known for certain when someone fucks at the nuclear research center in Dimon. The composition of the radioactive cloud can tell a lot.
    3. SMP
      SMP 18 October 2017 07: 46
      +7
      And I’ll add to the preceding commentary, what if Israel conducted the tests at the American training ground in Nevada or at Francis Kourou, or with the British? That treaty on the non-proliferation of nuclear weapons turns into a filkin letter.
      And if so, what are the claims against North Korea, and even more so against Iran?
      Here you’ll run into both Moscow and Washington, which ultimately just spits on everyone, will open a criminal case against some late Pentagon head and close the case.
      Hegemon request Who will show them what?
      1. domokl
        18 October 2017 10: 19
        +2
        Quote: SMP
        That treaty on the non-proliferation of nuclear weapons turns into a filkin letter.

        Chu ... One of the many. Absolutely no argument in world politics
    4. iouris
      iouris 18 October 2017 19: 48
      +2
      All nations suffer. The Jewish state - separately, the suffering of the people - separately. It is important to understand why and from whom. To do this, you really need to know how cash flows move.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 18 October 2017 21: 21
        0
        Quote: iouris
        To do this, you really need to know how cash flows move.

        Exactly. hi
  4. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 18 October 2017 07: 06
    +6
    Jerusalem never spends its own shekels for nothing. Jewish practicalism has already become a byword.

    And therefore, Israel, having reduced debit with credit, understood that an urgent need to be agreed with Moscow. And for negotiations we need at least some cards that can be pulled out of the sleeve. They probably believe that this is their periodic attacks on the Syrian army, the termination of which can be "agreed".
    1. domokl
      18 October 2017 07: 24
      +4
      Quote: rotmistr60
      And for negotiations we need at least some cards that can be pulled out of the sleeve.

      So am I about that. Israel must jump from the nose into the last car of the outgoing train. THOSE. Become a member of peace negotiations. Only in this case will he be able to bargain for himself. today it’s just not there. But there’s no trial
      1. Antianglosax
        Antianglosax 18 October 2017 09: 41
        +8
        Paradoxically, Israel throughout its existence with genuine enthusiasm has always spoiled the USSR, which created it, and Russia, but should we save it? No one ate too much?
        Good thing, Jews need a wet rag in their faces and kicks to sit in silence, not rock the boat and shine, and reverently do what adult uncles say. Golan Heights definitely give Syria. If they don’t give it back, Iran and Syria will have their hands untied. It’s time to do something with this abscess in BV, otherwise the Jews are completely overwhelmed.
  5. Vard
    Vard 18 October 2017 07: 36
    +7
    I don’t know anything about Israeli politics ... Yes, I don’t need it ... but the fact that they are returning to us in Russia in a very large amount is a fact ... And this is suggestive ... that not everything with politics ok ...
    1. Professor
      Professor 18 October 2017 08: 01
      +6
      Quote: Vard
      Yes, and I don’t need it ... but the fact that they are returning to us in Russia in very large numbers is a fact ...

      Fact? And are there any numbers? And I have them. wink
    2. brigadir
      brigadir 18 October 2017 12: 43
      +3
      I know one. Hairdresser from Ossetia or Dagestan. Good hairdresser. The young guy. He went to Moscow. There is now shearing. He has a kind of sister there .... and maybe his father.
      It will specifically help you boost the economy .....
      Of course, they are leaving Israel, and the former "Russians" too, but to the USA and Canada.
      They come to Russia from Azerbaijan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, China ....
  6. corporal
    corporal 18 October 2017 07: 38
    +6
    The author is burning
    But there is a state that can lose a lot in this situation. Both territorially and morally and politically. I am writing about Israel.

    Then they will have to face the Russian S-400.

    And how much optimism:
    it is obvious that US influence in the region is falling. And stopping this fall is almost impossible
    fellow
    And here, apparently, a good "plan" came across:
    I do not think that after the destruction of the terrorists, Iran and Syria will disband their own armies. But you can not keep them idle. Everyone understands that in this case any excesses are possible. A soldier must either fight or go home. Restore destroyed by war. Assad and Rouhani will not go to reduce the army. Just because such a reduction will give the terrorists who are hiding today the opportunity to re-launch the booze. And they do not need to look for the enemy. And the troops do not need to motivate. Here it is, the enemy!

    And this is generally a masterpiece
    Moscow will again become the savior of Israel.

    In general, everything is clear. The author wants to subjugate Israel without attracting the attention of orderlies.
    Flag in hand. laughing
  7. Professor
    Professor 18 October 2017 08: 00
    11
    Why, for example, was the Syrian C-200 battery destroyed? Destroyed just like that. There was no particular military need for this. Meanwhile, the battery, if you look at the map, was only 50 km from Damascus.

    3 times fired on our planes ... Of course, this is not the reason. fool

    In particular, on Monday in Moscow met the heads of military departments, Sergei Shoigu and Avigdor Lieberman.

    I did not know that Tel Aviv had already become Moscow.

    We support President Assad, while Israel is actively advocating for those who seek its overthrow.

    False. We are on no one’s side and, for the most part, are not “actively speaking”. This is not our war.

    Then they will have to face the Russian C-400. For Russia, such attacks are also more like a mosquito squeak. Peeps a mosquito. Unpleasant to listen to. But, it’s worth a mosquito try to bite, no one will give a penny for his life. Slam.

    The author gives out wishful thinking. Recently, the plant was bombed in the immediate vicinity of the C-400 complexes that didn’t crash one plane during the world. No one slammed anyone.

    What does Israel need from Moscow today?

    What to guess? Bibi said openly. We will not allow the consolidation of the Islamic State of Iran at our borders. That's all.

    Those attacks that Israel periodically inflicted earlier were carried out precisely in the interests of the United States. For the Jewish state, the Western coalition was the only option for its own security.

    Rave. In most cases, the United States was not even informed. The best example is Operation Orchard. Bush has already been notified in fact.
    The guarantee of security for Israel is Tsahal and only him.

    The Syrian army two years ago and the Syrian army today are two completely different armies. This also applies to the army of Iran. Well-armed and “modernized” with the help of Russia armies, with many years of combat experience, motivated and evil. And most importantly, armies that remember their defeats in the 1967 year.

    The author is of course a writer, not a reader, but it would not hurt him to read a review RUSSIAN military about the Syrian "warriors". The Syrians, by the way, lost all the wars. And 1948, and 1967, and 1973, and 1982. Lose and St. next time if they attack again.

    Recall Astana. Who is represented at the talks there? And, most importantly, who is not there! But there is no Israel there. From the word there is not at all.

    Again. This is not our war and we have nothing to participate in these negotiations.

    And who can “put in a word” for the Jews in Astana?

    None. We do not need this. We establish the facts on the spot, and trynd at the negotiating table.

    It is clear that we will not allow the destruction of Israel.

    Is there anyone to "not allow"?

    Moscow will again become the savior of Israel.

    "Again"? Have you already been? laughing

    The initiator of the creation were.

    Were not. In contrast, even the Autonomous Jewish Region was concocted. Author, learn the materiel.

    Why did you remove the ability to minus articles?
    1. Phoenix_L'vov
      Phoenix_L'vov 18 October 2017 08: 36
      +9
      3 times fired on our planes
      - you reminded me of a quote from a joke, "the enemy insidiously attacked our planes, which peacefully bombed his country!"

      Professor - WHAT did your planes do in the airspace of a foreign country?
      1. Professor
        Professor 18 October 2017 08: 41
        +6
        Quote: Phoenix_Lvov
        3 times fired on our planes
        - you reminded me of a quote from a joke, "the enemy insidiously attacked our planes, which peacefully bombed his country!"

        Professor - WHAT did your planes do in the airspace of a foreign country?

        You didn’t have enough of your lies yesterday and you decided to continue today? Not one of these three times our planes entered the airspace of Syria. In March, the Syrians fired on our planes located over Israeli territory and our air defense had to shoot down a Uaha missile over our territory. Learn the materiel.
        1. kos2910
          kos2910 18 October 2017 11: 51
          +1
          Quote: Professor
          did not enter the airspace of Syria

          Only the strike was fired from Lebanese airspace - is this, like, not a country?
    2. Antianglosax
      Antianglosax 18 October 2017 09: 46
      +3
      Quote: Professor
      We will not allow the consolidation of the Islamic State of Iran at our borders. That's all.

      I wonder how you do it and who will ask you? laughing If Russia has allowed any American trash to its borders, and at the same time has not dealt a nuclear strike on the starship, then they will not even inform you.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 18 October 2017 11: 36
        -1
        The balance of power between Russia and the United States is different from that between Israel and Iran. And at times.
      2. Professor
        Professor 18 October 2017 12: 41
        +5
        Quote: Antianglosaks
        I wonder how you do it and who will ask you? If Russia has allowed any American trash to its borders, and at the same time has not dealt a nuclear strike on the starship, then they will not even inform you.

        We are not Russia, we are not able to express concern. Bomb, bomb and will bomb. Approximately like the discussed C-200 battery.

        Quote: kos2910
        Only the strike was fired from Lebanese airspace - is this, like, not a country?

        Lebanon is, like, a country, but it is at war with us and we will not ask permission from us or not to fly with it or anyone else. By the way, I checked the website of the Russian Foreign Ministry. There is no objection to our flights and "aggression."
  8. fider
    fider 18 October 2017 08: 06
    +7
    LIES from the first lines: firstly, not Lieberman came to Moscow, but Shoigu to Liberman to Jerusalem. Secondly, the initiator of the creation of Israel was Arthur Balfour. And Comrade Stalin already realized his interest and fussed, though to no avail, and then made a 180 degree turn. And so on ...
    1. Pissarro
      Pissarro 18 October 2017 08: 43
      16
      I see Jews already like Ukrainians misinterpreting history. You can yell and lie as much as you like, but at the UN, the USSR voted for the division of Palestine into a Jewish and Arab state. Stalin’s comment on this is also known: Let's agree with the formation of Israel. It will be like an awl in the ass for the Arab states and make them turn their backs on Britain. Ultimately, British influence will be completely undermined in Egypt, Syria, Turkey and Iraq.
      1. Professor
        Professor 18 October 2017 08: 57
        +5
        Quote: Pissarro
        I look Jews already how Ukrainians misinterpret history

        You yourself wouldn’t be bad to teach history.

        Quote: Pissarro
        You can scream and lie as much as you like, but at the UN, the USSR voted to divide Palestine into a Jewish and Arab state.

        Israel was actually created at that time, and the resolution for which the USSR voted was purely RECOMMENDative. She did not oblige anyone to anything. Ben Gurion Proclaimed the Independence of Israel. He would have done it without resolution.

        Quote: Pissarro
        Stalin’s comment on this is also known: Let's agree with the formation of Israel. It will be like an awl in the ass for the Arab states and make them turn their backs on Britain.

        This commentary is a figment of the fantasy leading him. There is no documentary evidence that Yosia really said that.
        1. Pissarro
          Pissarro 18 October 2017 09: 16
          +7
          Somaliland, Biafra, Catalonia also proclaimed independence, like some other Papuan tribes. These are empty declarations. Until at least one state or UN recognizes you
          1. Professor
            Professor 18 October 2017 10: 09
            +4
            Quote: Pissarro
            Somaliland, Biafra, Catalonia also proclaimed independence, like some other Papuan tribes. These are empty declarations. Until at least one state or UN recognizes you

            And educational program for you. Israel is not some sort of separatist province declaring its independence from the mother country. Israel at the time of independence was already a fait accompli. Just 11 minutes after independence, it was recognized by the US president. And of course, thanks to the scoop for voting for the division of the territory intended for Jews into Arab and Jewish.
            1. Pissarro
              Pissarro 18 October 2017 10: 19
              +8
              Well, excuse me, the scoop, as you put it, always stood for peace, and could not let you slaughter all the Arabs in Palestine. He tried to divide the earth and let everyone live with dignity. It is not his fault that you reduced the Arabs to third-rate ones in their native land and rit them. So he, the scoop, was idealistic. I am glad that now Russia has more realism
              1. Professor
                Professor 18 October 2017 12: 59
                +6
                Quote: Pissarro
                Well, excuse me, the scoop, as you put it, always stood for peace, and could not let you slaughter all the Arabs in Palestine.

                Is this scoop standing for peace? It could have stood in parallel reality, but in the one where I live the scoop fought with almost all of its neighbors and attacked Finland, the Baltic states, Poland and so on. So to speak, "for peace." laughing

                Regarding the "cut you all Arabs in Palestine" is generally a masterpiece. It was the Arabs who slaughtered in Palestine, not the Arabs.

                Quote: Pissarro
                He tried to divide the earth and let everyone live with dignity.

                I tried to share the foreign land.

                Quote: Pissarro
                It is not his fault that you reduced the Arabs to third-rate ones in their native land and rit them. So he, the scoop, was idealistic.

                Tales tell children before bedtime. We don’t need to. hi

                Quote: badens1111
                Lying, your skate?
                And the map was presented as an attempt to claim all this territory? Will nothing burst?

                Nothing will burst. It was this territory that was allotted to Britain to create Jewish and Arab states on it. They created the Arab without even finding a name for it and thus obtained TransIordan, AKA beyond Jordan. Golan (or whatever it is in Arabic) gave Syria, and the territory for the Jewish state decided to divide again into a Jewish and Arab state. Thanks for that and the scoop.

                Quote: badens1111
                Gromyko's speech was crucial for the fate of Israel.

                What are you? The Jews heard Gromyko’s speech and run to create their own State. You don’t understand, but voting at the UN had absolutely no significance since de facto Israel already had all the institutions of power and Britain already refused the mandate.

                Quote: badens1111
                Golda Meir, Israel’s first ambassador to Moscow and subsequently Israeli Prime Minister, writes in his memoirs:

                Golda did not write that for the supply of weapons to Israel, the leaders of Czechoslovakia were shot at the direction of the Kremlin? She did not write that the same Czechoslovakia simultaneously supplied weapons to the Arabs. Clean business and nothing personal.

                Quote: badens1111
                So Professor, do not lie, showing how you are capable of turning the truth into a lie

                And does that person citing at the wikipedia level say?

                PS
                Here is a map of that country for which the Jews of Palestine fought with weapons in their hands. Hi Gromyko.
            2. badens1111
              badens1111 18 October 2017 10: 23
              12
              Quote: Professor
              And of course, thanks to the scoop for voting for the division of the territory intended for Jews into Arab and Jewish.

              Lying, your skate?
              And the map was presented as an attempt to claim all this territory? Will nothing burst?
              So, on November 26, 1947, the UN General Assembly began discussing the question of Palestine.
              Soviet representative Andrei Gromyko delivered his famous speech in defense of the right of Jews to their state. The position was worked out in Moscow, but Gromyko himself found the words. Perhaps no one better than Andrei Andreyevich Gromyko defended the right of Palestinian Jews to their state: “Representatives of the Arab countries indicate that the partition of Palestine is a historical injustice. But one cannot agree with this point of view, if only because the Jewish people were associated with Palestine over a long historical period of time. ”
              Gromyko's speech was crucial for the fate of Israel. She influenced the Americans. US President Harry Truman made the final decision. Since Stalin was determined to give his state to the Jews, it would be foolish to resist the United States! ..
              The British argued to Truman that Jews should not be allowed to emigrate to Palestine, since they were communist conspirators whom Stalin sent there. This, they say, is part of the operation of communist penetration into the Middle East ... American diplomats were sure of this. They came out of obedience to the president and actually drew their own line. Warren Austin, the American representative on the Security Council, said the decision to partition Palestine was simply impossible. Truman learned with amazement only the next day. He wrote on the calendar: “It turns out that the State Department has revised my policy. And I learn about it from the newspapers! What the hell is this? Now I have appeared in the role of a liar who cannot be trusted. There were always people in the State Department who wanted to cut my throat. Finally they succeeded ... "
              Harry Truman persisted. Every day he called the State Department, wondering how his instructions were being executed. Moreover, he demanded that the State Department ensure that Latin American countries either vote for the partition of Palestine or abstain ...
              Resolution of the UN General Assembly No. 181 - on the creation of two independent states on the territory of the British mandate in Palestine - was adopted on Saturday, November 29, 1947.
              Thirty-three countries voted in favor, thirteen voted against. Several countries, including England, abstained.
              http://zanuda.offtopic.su/viewtopic.php?id=6399
              November 29, 1947 Gromyko made a clearer proposal:

              “... Experience in studying the question of Palestine has shown that Jews and Arabs in Palestine do not want or cannot live together. This led to the logical conclusion: if these two peoples living in Palestine, both with deep historical roots in this country, cannot live together within a single state, then there is nothing left but to create instead of one two states - Arab and Jewish. According to the Soviet delegation, no other feasible option can be invented ... "
              When Israel was formally proclaimed May 17, 1948 as an independent state, the next day The United States recognized this state, but only de facto, which did not imply full diplomatic relations. The USSR recognized Israel two days later, and immediately de jure. The USSR was the first country to establish diplomatic relations with Israel. The United States took the same step only in 1949.
              Golda Meir, Israel’s first ambassador to Moscow and subsequently Israeli Prime Minister, writes in his memoirs:

              “No matter how radically the Soviet attitude towards us has changed over the next twenty-five years, I cannot forget the picture that seemed to me then. Who knows, would we resist if it were not for the weapons and ammunition that we could purchase in Czechoslovakia and transport through Yugoslavia and other Balkan countries in those dark days of the outbreak of the war, until the situation changed in June 1948? In the first six weeks of the war, we relied heavily on the shells, machine guns and bullets that Hagan [**] managed to purchase in Eastern Europe, while even America announced an embargo on sending weapons to the Middle East, although, of course, we relied not only on this . It is impossible to cross out the past because the present is not like it, and the fact remains: despite the fact that the Soviet Union subsequently turned so violently against us, the Soviet recognition of Israel on May 18 was of great importance to us. This meant that for the first time after the Second World War, the two greatest powers agreed on the issue of supporting the Jewish state, and although we were in mortal danger, at least we knew that we were not alone. From this consciousness - and from severe necessity "- we got that if not material, then moral force which led us to victory" http://scepsis.net/library/id_1633.html
              So Professor, do not lie, showing how you are capable of turning the truth into a lie.
            3. Akuzenka
              Akuzenka 18 October 2017 11: 05
              0
              Ah, thank you, "benefactor", enlightened !!!!! Immediately everything became "clear." Do you happen to dig the Mediterranean Sea?
        2. Akuzenka
          Akuzenka 18 October 2017 11: 03
          +1
          She did not oblige anyone to anything. Ben Gurion Proclaimed the Independence of Israel. He would have done it without resolution

          So you get separatists !!!!!! How have Americans still not bombed you ?! Unlawfully, after all, they self-proclaimed !!!! And no one noticed!
        3. long in stock.
          long in stock. 21 October 2017 14: 13
          +1
          well, professor .. at that time, if Comrade Stalin recommended something to someone, then he listened to it ... and very carefully.
  9. EvilLion
    EvilLion 18 October 2017 08: 29
    +2
    I didn’t hear something that Israel really wanted to overthrow Assad. Love or dislike, it doesn’t matter, without Assad there would have come such scumbags that Israel would now be in a state of siege.
    1. Pissarro
      Pissarro 18 October 2017 10: 03
      +7
      I just didn’t hear that ISIS or even one of the Barmalei didn’t shoot, but at least blundered towards Israel. Israel inflicts blows to the exclusive government forces, and treats exclusively wounded barmaley, it supplies them in the Golan area.
      1. Professor
        Professor 18 October 2017 19: 42
        +3
        Quote: Pissarro
        I just didn’t hear that ISIS or even one of the Barmalei didn’t shoot, but at least blundered towards Israel.

        And where did you listen, dear?
        wink

        Media reported on the responsibility of the IG for launching missiles in the direction of Eilat
        https://lenta.ru/news/2017/02/09/isis_is_to_blame
        /

        Israel rocketed from Sinai Peninsula
        http://www.newsru.co.il/arch/israel/15oct2017/sin
        ai_0019.html

        Arab media: Israeli Air Force retaliates against IS militants in Sinai
        http://www.newsru.co.il/arch/israel/17oct2017/sin
        ai_104.html
        1. Grigory_78
          Grigory_78 22 October 2017 06: 30
          0
          A very interesting approach, by the way.
          IS fighters fired at Israel from Egypt - a retaliatory strike is inflicted on militants.
          IS fighters are firing on Israel from Syria - a retaliatory strike is inflicted on the government army.
          A great example of the lies and duplicity of Israel. Thank.
  10. Gardamir
    Gardamir 18 October 2017 09: 03
    +4
    But, it’s worth a mosquito try to bite, no one will give a penny for his life. Slam.
    Who is the mosquito, Israel? And he will be slammed, those who are afraid to answer Poland on the demolition of our monuments, those who are afraid of Ukraine.
  11. Nikolai Petrov
    Nikolai Petrov 18 October 2017 09: 48
    +4
    There is evidence that the kosher F-35 Syrians pokotsali? "Chosen" naturally do not recognize any buns. I wonder what pinch him. But the good news is that the Syrian air defense finally woke up. More often and more actively it would be necessary to discourage even the desire of the kosher public and bring it closer to the Syrian state. the border.
  12. Aspid 57
    Aspid 57 18 October 2017 09: 50
    11
    Of course, Israel is a mosquito! True peculiar! The tank fleet is almost like the whole of NATO, minus the United States and aviation too! Plus it’s not known how many Jericho -2 missiles with nuclear warheads! Well, to the heap, a four-layer missile defense system designed to repel mass missile launches! It is simply amazing how the great Assad and the great Hezbollah still tolerate him. Seriously speaking, if Israel would go into battle, then in three days there would not be Assad, ISIS, Hezbollah, or all the other gangs! That's just the orderlies they were not hired in this Muslim psychiatric hospital! They are only concerned about the security of their borders!
    1. Nikolai Petrov
      Nikolai Petrov 18 October 2017 09: 59
      +5
      Well, well, once in 2006 kosher went to Lebanon. For a long time, the same Hezbollah recaptured them. And about the war of Israel against the igil, so who will fight against his child. And Israel heals bearded cannibals solely for humane, philanthropic reasons. Already not even funny.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 18 October 2017 11: 47
        +5
        I was a participant in the events of 2006. Hezbollah Pts. well received in the teeth. Another thing is that everything could be done in a week, thus avoiding unnecessary losses, but these were the mistakes of the leadership. Militarily, even with a stupid administration, the IDF made Hezbollah and a truce was established on Israeli terms.
  13. Eurodav
    Eurodav 18 October 2017 09: 55
    0
    Quote: domokl
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    It was mainly the peoples who were not Jewish who suffered, but those on whose lands they founded this artificial state.

    And this is true. However, at the international level, the genocide of the Jewish people is recognized, but Russian or Belarusian, for example, is not. It seems like just the victims of the war, and not destroyed on an ethnic basis ... That's such a "truth", her mother ...

    The nuclear weapons of Israel are unproven and unrepresented ... So ... they’re talking about what they have, but no one has seen! Maybe the Jews, in essence, took two-faced, but blurted out with fear?
    1. Aspid 57
      Aspid 57 18 October 2017 10: 02
      +8
      German Jews first created nuclear weapons in the United States (Oppenheimer and Einstein), then Soviet Jews (Naum Eitingon), with the help of American Jews, the Rosenberg spouses, kept all secrets and passed on to Soviet Jewish scientists Zeldovich, Khariton, etc. It would be strange if Israeli Jews did not solve this issue at home!))))))
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 18 October 2017 11: 50
        -1
        In the creation of Soviet nuclear weapons, Soviet intelligence was more distinguished under the leadership of the Mingrelian Beria)))
        Well, yes, the Soviet Jews, the spouses of Kogany, also distinguished themselves there :)
      2. Oleg7700
        Oleg7700 18 October 2017 15: 20
        +3
        Moreover, the "father of the French atomic bomb" Bertrand Goldschmidt, was a great friend of Ben-Gurion, and his relatives lived in Israel. By the way, in France, a long time ago it slipped from a colleague of the late Goldschmidt that every third item blown up at Mururoa Atoll was made at a "textile factory" in Dimona - the French were interested in the quality of the reactor and the work of the Israelis.
  14. Eurodav
    Eurodav 18 October 2017 09: 57
    +2
    Quote: Gardamir
    But, it’s worth a mosquito try to bite, no one will give a penny for his life. Slam.
    Who is the mosquito, Israel? And he will be slammed, those who are afraid to answer Poland on the demolition of our monuments, those who are afraid of Ukraine.

    It will be necessary, slam ...
    1. Nikolai Petrov
      Nikolai Petrov 18 October 2017 10: 01
      +7
      So this country is not a country, in general, the territory of one bomb. But stink from her on the whole planet.
  15. high
    high 18 October 2017 10: 09
    +5
    "President Assad is well aware that the Israelis will not go any further. Then they will have to face the Russian S-400."[i] [/ i]

    Before writing, the author would be better off learning the history of the wars between Israel and Syria ....
    In June 1982, the largest aerial battle unfolded in the sky over Lebanon since World War II, in which hundreds of Israeli and Syrian combat aircraft participated.
    During the battle, the Israeli Air Force literally wiped the Soviet air defense systems off the face of the earth, in air battles they shot down more than eighty enemy MiGs without losing a single aircraft.
    The tactical and technical methods of conducting air warfare, developed and successfully tested by the Israeli command during this large-scale operation, largely determined the development paths of military aviation, air defense systems, electronic warfare systems (EW), and unmanned aircraft in the 21st century.

    The disaster in Lebanon made a shocking impression on the leadership of the USSR. Already in September 1982. in Moscow, a meeting was held in the Central Committee of the CPSU on the analysis of past battles,
    Buyers of Soviet weapons thought about whether to buy it ...
    Today, Russia is not interested in testing the capabilities of the S-400 on Israeli aircraft ..... by the way, military observer Alexander Khramchikhin wrote:
    ,, "Until now, few people in our country know that one of the main reasons for the perestroika was the defeat that Israeli aviation carried out on the Syrian air defense system in the Lebanese Bekaa valley on June 9-10, 1982.
    The system was, of course, the Soviet one hundred percent, and the newest at that time.
    It was impossible to attribute the catastrophe to the usual incapacity of the Arabs, and Soviet instructors were sitting next to the Syrians in the booths of the destroyed air defense systems. It’s just that the enemy fought in a new way, and we fought in the old way. "
    Alexander Khramchikhin. Military construction in Russia. The Banner 2005, No.12
    1. Pissarro
      Pissarro 18 October 2017 10: 23
      +6
      The time has come for Jewish fairy tales
    2. domokl
      18 October 2017 10: 28
      +4
      It’s ridiculous. And today Israel will, God forbid, fight in a new way? Sorry, but your country has always fought with countries that technically were behind you in terms of armaments. Today the picture is different. I will help you in finding arguments. The same picture was in Egypt. There, too, our instructors could not get your planes. The systems didn’t get ...
      1. Professor
        Professor 18 October 2017 10: 39
        +6
        Quote: domokl
        Sorry, but your country has always fought with countries that technically were behind you in terms of armaments.

        How nice to read the comment of a knowledgeable person. wassat For example, the Syrians in the Golna (or whatever they are in Arabic) in 1973 fought in tanks with night vision devices, but there were no such tanks in Israeli tanks. I am sure that you can give a sea of ​​similar examples.
    3. Pissarro
      Pissarro 18 October 2017 10: 52
      +3
      Allegedly wiped out in 1982 year, troops left Lebanon in an organized manner in 2005 year according to the results of the cedar color revolution there
      1. Professor
        Professor 18 October 2017 11: 06
        +3
        Quote: Pissarro
        Allegedly wiped out in 1982 year, troops left Lebanon in an organized manner in 2005 year according to the results of the cedar color revolution there

        Continue educational program? Here in the photo, the Syrian troops leave Beirun against the background of the Israeli flag.
        1. Pissarro
          Pissarro 18 October 2017 14: 26
          +2
          Well, according to your Yksperd, they are destroyed, and here they leave Beirut in an organized manner.
        2. standan
          standan 18 October 2017 18: 46
          0
          According to the Associated Press, during the Israeli invasion, the loss of the Israeli contingent was 657, the PLO formations were about 1000, the Syrian 370. At the same time, 19 Lebanese and Palestinians, mostly civilians, were killed.
    4. Akuzenka
      Akuzenka 18 October 2017 11: 12
      +2
      Get fucked up, this is not a reservation, but targeted aggression:
      During the battle, the Israeli Air Force literally wiped the Soviet air defense systems off the face of the earth, in air battles they shot down more than eighty enemy MiGs without losing a single aircraft.

      It turns out the Israelis fought with the USSR !!!!!!
      Israelis, you that forgot to bring haloperidol from America? So you order on the Internet, in China, deliver faster.
    5. standan
      standan 18 October 2017 19: 02
      +3
      You just did not write against which MiGs and on what the Israeli Air Force fought. MiG-23 vs F-16. Absolutely the latest Soviet air defense - is the S-125? Do not post more than this expert, do not. The S-300 was the latest air defense system at that time in the USSR, it was put into service in 1978 and was not exported then, and about Soviet instructors it was generally trash.
  16. ver_
    ver_ 18 October 2017 10: 22
    +2
    Quote: domokl
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    It was mainly the peoples who were not Jewish who suffered, but those on whose lands they founded this artificial state.

    And this is true. However, at the international level, the genocide of the Jewish people is recognized, but Russian or Belarusian, for example, is not. It seems like just the victims of the war, and not destroyed on an ethnic basis ... That's such a "truth", her mother ...

    ... and who makes this chosen people of God climb into other people's penates with their own charter? ... I have nothing against the mattresses providing this people with one of their states - where it is very warm ...
    1. CT-55_11-9009
      CT-55_11-9009 18 October 2017 15: 18
      +2
      Mmm ... In the geography of the States is not strong, but maybe Nevada will be just right?
      1. ver_
        ver_ 18 October 2017 16: 33
        +1
        ... the thing is that they disagree in Alaska .. they disdain Birobidzhan ..
  17. Eurodav
    Eurodav 18 October 2017 10: 38
    +4
    Quote: alta
    "President Assad is well aware that the Israelis will not go any further. Then they will have to face the Russian S-400."[i] [/ i]

    Before writing, the author would be better off learning the history of the wars between Israel and Syria ....
    In June 1982, the largest aerial battle unfolded in the sky over Lebanon since World War II, in which hundreds of Israeli and Syrian combat aircraft participated.
    During the battle, the Israeli Air Force literally wiped the Soviet air defense systems off the face of the earth, in air battles they shot down more than eighty enemy MiGs without losing a single aircraft.
    The tactical and technical methods of conducting air warfare, developed and successfully tested by the Israeli command during this large-scale operation, largely determined the development paths of military aviation, air defense systems, electronic warfare systems (EW), and unmanned aircraft in the 21st century.

    The disaster in Lebanon made a shocking impression on the leadership of the USSR. Already in September 1982. in Moscow, a meeting was held in the Central Committee of the CPSU on the analysis of past battles,
    Buyers of Soviet weapons thought about whether to buy it ...
    Today, Russia is not interested in testing the capabilities of the S-400 on Israeli aircraft ..... by the way, military observer Alexander Khramchikhin wrote:
    ,, "Until now, few people in our country know that one of the main reasons for the perestroika was the defeat that Israeli aviation carried out on the Syrian air defense system in the Lebanese Bekaa valley on June 9-10, 1982.
    The system was, of course, the Soviet one hundred percent, and the newest at that time.
    It was impossible to attribute the catastrophe to the usual incapacity of the Arabs, and Soviet instructors were sitting next to the Syrians in the booths of the destroyed air defense systems. It’s just that the enemy fought in a new way, and we fought in the old way. "
    Alexander Khramchikhin. Military construction in Russia. The Banner 2005, No.12

    That's interesting ... This "military" "expert" in the army even served?
    Well, in general, everything is clear. This expert is marked by the seal of God's election and is sick of liberalism, so for us his opinion on this topic is not worth a damn ... Continue the search ...
    1. ver_
      ver_ 18 October 2017 13: 36
      +1
      ... the Arabs immediately sold all the secret information to the Jews .. although they fought with them Since then they have not changed .. The Jews knew everything: when and where they will fly out .., the goals, objectives, information was sold by everyone: their headquarters , aerodrome service, aerodrome observers ...
    2. Pissarro
      Pissarro 18 October 2017 14: 17
      +4
      Alexander Khramchikhin did not serve in the army for a day. At the same time, this Uksperd regularly writes that China will attack us tomorrow and we have no chance if we do not surrender to the free world and become its cannon fodder. Analysis about Israel in the same vein
    3. Grigory_78
      Grigory_78 22 October 2017 09: 31
      +1
      Shame on me! I saw the familiar name, but did not remember what is famous ... Khramchikhin. Well this is ikperd from iksperda, the most kosher one.
  18. igsa
    igsa 18 October 2017 10: 57
    +5
    author, mind the mathematical part: Shoigu and Lieberman met in Jerusalem because Shoigu flew in ... "to work"
    1. CT-55_11-9009
      CT-55_11-9009 18 October 2017 15: 20
      +2
      Quote: igsa
      Shoigu and Lieberman met in Jerusalem

      In Tel Aviv, Mr. liar.
      1. Grigory_78
        Grigory_78 22 October 2017 09: 34
        0
        From Ukraine there is no difference. How many such garnish "Israelis" are registered here ...
  19. Orionvit
    Orionvit 18 October 2017 11: 10
    +2
    What is behind the "aggressiveness" of Israel in Syria
    And what is not clear here? Behind the aggressiveness of Israel, there is the aggressiveness of Israel .. Like a classic: I was not drunk at first,
    I objected twice.
    I say, - Moshe Dayan - soo .... and
    one-eyed.
    Aggressive, beast,
    Pure Pharaoh
    Well, where is the aggression,
    There is no reason for me.
  20. solovald
    solovald 18 October 2017 11: 14
    +2
    Israel will not give up the “Golan”, just as we are the Crimea, the Kuril Islands, and the Poles torn away by German lands, as a result of WWII, etc. In general, in the world there are many such “annexed” territories - “landmines”.
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  22. Butchcassidy
    Butchcassidy 18 October 2017 11: 19
    +2
    Basically, Israel strikes at those facilities that are not related to the defense of Syria, but are intended to be transferred to Hezbollah. The fact that they simply destroyed the S-200 is unlikely. It is likely that they destroyed some weapons that were stored next to the S-200 deployment.

    And as for the Golan - they, of course, are annexed by Israel, but Israel will never give them away - these are strategic heights and, most importantly, a source of water, many rivers of the small water network of Israel originate in the Golan.
  23. groks
    groks 18 October 2017 11: 24
    0
    It turns out that the Russian Federation is opposed to its current allies? For politics, a normal occurrence. But for traditional Russian politics, it’s not normal. Yes, and completely untimely. For Israel, if he wants to come to an agreement - absolute nonsense. Why should Israel destroy an air defense battery, which, according to the author, means nothing to either side? Although it is doubtful that for Syria it would be so directly insignificant. Show own power? So for ISIS bombing!
    Russia is an ally of Syria? It seems so. Well, why did the Russian Federation keep silent? Well, it’s clear that this is not a reason to start TMV, but could the Ministry of Foreign Affairs be a problem?
    Maybe in Israel there is no unity - to whom to join? And is this initiated by pro-American lobbyists? But then what kind of mess do they have in the army? And even if they apologized for chtol, they thought that they "missed." None of this.
    In general, it looks extremely shitty. Sucks for us exactly.
    1. Pissarro
      Pissarro 18 October 2017 15: 49
      0
      It’s worth it to someone later, when Hesboll’s unique combat experience with Russian modern weapons, which has accumulated over six years of war, returns to southern Lebanon. The 5th Army Corps, where it is now organizationally entering, is completely supervised by our General Staff officers. Hello IDF
      1. brigadir
        brigadir 18 October 2017 16: 30
        +4
        Fighting barmel men on carts and fighting an army with tanks, aircraft and further on the list are two big differences. So the Hezbollah experience from Syria can be shoved into one place.
        1. Pissarro
          Pissarro 18 October 2017 16: 35
          +2
          Wait and see, combat experience is never superfluous
  24. staviator
    staviator 18 October 2017 11: 31
    0
    For Russia, such attacks are also more like a mosquito squeak. Peeps a mosquito. Unpleasant to listen to. But, it’s worth a mosquito try to bite, no one will give a penny for his life. Slam.

    If they knew that they would have slammed, they would not have climbed. Either a check for lice, from the filing of overseas "friends", or there was an agreement on the inaction of our air defense. A riddle, however.
    1. high
      high 18 October 2017 12: 03
      +1
      Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu told Israel that Russia agreed with the idea of ​​an Israeli “security zone” near the Israeli-Syrian border in the Golan Heights.

      The purpose of creating such a zone is to distance Iranian Hezbollah operatives and militants from the Israeli border.
      Shoigu also assured that Iranian agents and Hezbollah had not appeared at the border since the Russian forces arrived there, and promised to expand the security zone to 10-15 kilometers.
    2. vearey
      vearey 18 October 2017 13: 17
      +2
      A riddle however.
      What a mystery? This battery shot in March this year, Lieberman once again announced the battery kirdyk. Who decided to check his words during a visit to Israel state. Shoigu? For me, this is Iran, but maybe Assad himself or local arbitrariness. It is interesting to note that at almost the same time, Isil fired rockets against Israel, to which Israel fulfilled its promise, and bombarded Syria and Isil.
      1. Pissarro
        Pissarro 18 October 2017 15: 50
        0
        Israel has never fired ISIS
        1. vearey
          vearey 18 October 2017 16: 25
          +2
          Did they tell you from Tehran or did you see it yourself?
        2. Professor
          Professor 18 October 2017 19: 44
          +3
          Quote: Pissarro
          Israel has never fired ISIS

          Arab media: Israeli Air Force retaliates against IS militants in Sinai
          http://www.newsru.co.il/arch/israel/17oct2017/sin
          ai_104.html
  25. Santor
    Santor 18 October 2017 11: 35
    +3
    Quote: alta
    It was impossible to attribute the catastrophe to the usual incapacity of the Arabs, and Soviet instructors were sitting next to the Syrians in the booths of the destroyed air defense systems. It’s just that the enemy fought in a new way, and we fought in the old way. "
    Alexander Khramchikhin. Military construction in Russia. The Banner 2005, No.12

    You would have called for Navalny as witnesses, otherwise Khramchikhin ... A well-known politoluh, better known for anti-Russian articles, a former member of the headquarters of Boris Yeltsin .....

    There it was written above about the attack on the c-200 battery 50 kilometers from Damascus .. But the question is how many kilometers are from the real border of Israel to Damascus? I mean going through the Golan ..
  26. sentaniel
    sentaniel 18 October 2017 11: 36
    +2
    Not just the S-200 battery was destroyed, but after shelling and hitting the Israeli f-35.
  27. high
    high 18 October 2017 11: 41
    +1
    Quote: domokl
    It’s ridiculous. And today Israel will, God forbid, fight in a new way? Sorry, but your country has always fought with countries that technically were behind you in terms of armaments. Today the picture is different. I will help you in finding arguments. The same picture was in Egypt. There, too, our instructors could not get your planes. The systems didn’t get ...

    Alas, Israel fought not only against Soviet air defense, but there were battles with Soviet pilots ... ,, 5 Soviet planes were shot down ....
    ! 970g. The 135th Fighter Aviation Regiment was sent to Egypt to assist Egyptian troops.
    On July 30, a battle took place between Soviet and Israeli pilots ... 5 Soviet planes were shot down with a dry score ...
    USSR Air Force commander Marshal Pavel Kutakhov flew to Cairo and ordered the Soviet pilots to stop flying in the Suez Canal zone.
    Marshall forbade his pilots to engage in battle with Israeli fighters. The leadership of the USSR notified the Egyptian side that it could no longer render assistance to the Egyptian government in ensuring the inviolability of Egyptian air borders.
    Nasser could not continue the armed conflict with Israel without full assistance, and was forced to agree to a ceasefire.
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Операция_«Римон_20»
    https://topwar.ru/28353-sovetskie-letchiki-protiv
    -vvs-izrailya-pobeda-s-suhim-schetom.html
    1. standan
      standan 18 October 2017 19: 09
      +3
      According to the cheers-patriotic version of Israel, twenty Soviet MiG-21s attacked a “defenseless” pair of reconnaissance Mirages (bait). Alas, to their surprise, the Russians found four closely flying fighters in front of them, so that only 2 marks were displayed on the screens of Egyptian ground-based radars. Realizing that this was some kind of setup, the Russians jerked and suddenly found themselves surrounded by another 12 Israeli Air Force planes.

      20 MiGs vs. 16 "Phantoms" and "Mirage." As a result, experienced Israeli fighter jets shot five Soviet aces, as partridges, and, without losing a single aircraft, returned to their airfields. That night at the air bases of Hel Haavir buzzed a feast - the happy pilots drank their prizes for the Russians they killed ... Happy End!

      The version is vulgar and, of course, very far from the truth. For example, one of the noteworthy versions from the Ukrainian researcher V. Babich is as follows:

      There was no 20 vs 16 combat. On that day, there were several fights, separated in time and space - and every time MiGs fought many times superior enemy forces - when one Soviet four got into battle, the other four MiGs were already leaving the battlefield with a critical balance of fuel. The Israelis have calculated everything and were able to achieve a concentration of forces in the right place and the right moment.



      The first was shot down by Captain Yurchenko - his MiG exploded in the air from a Sidewinder rocket. A few minutes later, Captains Yakovlev and Syrkin had to eject - alas, when they landed, Captain Yakovlev fell into a crevice and crashed to death (there is a version that the canopy of his parachute was burned by a jet fighter flying by).

      It is still not known exactly how Captain Zhuravlev died - according to eyewitness recollections, he fought alone against four enemy aircraft, until he was hit by a crazy Mirage gun cannon. There is an opinion that two Israeli pilots, Ift Spector and Abraham Salmon, who barely reached the territory of Israel in a damaged car, almost fell victim to it.


      The explosion of "Mirage"

      Israel’s ace Asher Snir’s Mirage was also damaged - the P-13 rocket fired into the plane damaged the aircraft, but the warhead of the small P-13 was too small to stop the Mirage’s flight - Asher Snir left the battlefield and urgently sat at the airbase Refadim (this is what his combat colleague Amos Amir writes about in his book Fire in the Sky).

      Yurchenko - shot down, died; Yakovlev - shot down, died; Syrkin - shot down, he survived; Zhuravlev - shot down, died.
      But what about the fifth shot down Russian aircraft? And he was gone! About the downed aircraft and its pilot is not known.

      According to rumors, the Israelis managed to shoot down Captain Kamenev’s plane, but there is no evidence of this. In addition, Captain Kamenev himself subsequently continued to serve in the ranks of the USSR Air Force. Rumors, rumors ... sometimes they say that one of the MiGs made an emergency landing on one of the Egyptian airfields. No one knows what really happened.

      At the same time, there are witness testimonies, according to which, after the battle, the Israeli search and rescue helicopters were circling over the battlefield - did the “unbreakable” Hel Haavir suffer any losses? It is not excluded. The operation involved a lot of "Mirage" from 101, 117 and 119 squadrons, as well as multipurpose fighter "Phantom" from the 69 squadron of the Israeli Air Force. There is a high probability that the loss of one (or several) machines was carefully hidden, and the results of the battle were falsified.

      Without resorting to questionable conspiracy, the following reliable facts can be established:
      As a result of the 30.07.1970 battle, the 4 MiG-21 was shot down, and three Soviet pilots were killed.
      The credible loss of the Israeli Air Force was shot down by Asher Snir’s Mirage, which landed at Refadim airbase.

      Again a lie!
  28. Santor
    Santor 18 October 2017 11: 58
    +3
    Quote: igsa
    author, mind the mathematical part: Shoigu and Lieberman met in Jerusalem because Shoigu flew in ... "to work"

    Well, actually he flew at the request of the Israeli side, and met not only with Lieberman. And then according to your remarks it looks almost like "they called me to report on the carpet" ....
    The main thing there is what will happen after all the main things have ended ... In this case, Israel and Russia are more traveling companions than Russia and Iran. Iran has its own far-reaching goals in the region, and after the struggle with the main groups of the Caliphate is over, Iran becomes more an adversary than an ally of Russia in the region. Therefore, by the way, arms deliveries from Russia to Iran, which have been discussed for a long time, haven’t been particularly promoted, except for PR.

    Regarding the c-400 complex and that we are bombing and we have nothing ... The question is different - what are your air forces bombing and who ... There is another structure that for Russia is just a fellow traveler - Hezbollah, which is in a state of official war with Israel. Therefore, it is not necessary to extol to heaven, they say, yes, we spat ... You spat at the agreement with Moscow. Which allows you to spit where you need to, because he perfectly understands the degree and level of security necessary for the state of Israel .. and who such Hezbollah knows, passed on their own stolen diplomats.

    And in Syria we still need to figure out who the army is there and who is like the army ... And that is, such fighters, sort of like the Syrian army, but they don’t particularly obey until their hands reach them ..

    And by the way, my question arose - if the US Air Force still has problems with small arms for the F-35, which they do not hide, then what gun was put on those that arrived in Israel? Or is it possible that the Americans with cannon fire have problems, but Israel does not ?.
  29. Nikolai Petrov
    Nikolai Petrov 18 October 2017 13: 20
    +5
    Quote: Krasnodar
    I was a participant in the events of 2006. Hezbollah Pts. well received in the teeth. Another thing is that everything could be done in a week, thus avoiding unnecessary losses, but these were the mistakes of the leadership. Militarily, even with a stupid administration, the IDF made Hezbollah and a truce was established on Israeli terms.

    Exactly: Hezbollah got it, but the kosher was dumped home not saltyly slurped and even with wet pants. And leaving a bunch of scrap metal in the form of burnt carrots. (ready to hear about no losses). This is from the pErEmog area of ​​the "great army of the continent." Painfully familiar
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 18 October 2017 13: 58
      0
      Piled after standing a couple of months after the ceasefire in Lebanon, firstly)))
      I don’t remember something about wet pants - on the contrary, everyone was unhappy that our hollowed-out government ended the war without clearing the south of Lebanon, i.e. too early.
      There is no nonsense about a bunch of abandoned equipment and losses - as I recall, our team pulled out the wrecked equipment, the losses, respectively. In Israel, everyone serves in the army, this is not the post-Soviet space, you can’t hide the losses.
  30. CooL_SnipeR
    CooL_SnipeR 18 October 2017 13: 25
    +1
    Israel ruined the housing issue (c) Woland
  31. Mikhail Zubkov
    Mikhail Zubkov 18 October 2017 13: 38
    +1
    Shoigu went OFFICIALLY to Liberians, not Lieberman went to Moscow !!! And this is immediately after the PLANNED Israeli bombing of Syrian territory, after the PLANNED military deliveries of weapons and equipment to a number of anti-Assad groups in Syria (both recognized as terrorist and "candidates for Astana" such as pro-American Kurds). Israeli mines and drones have long and generously been distributed to Assad’s enemies in Syria. And it is precisely in these facts that at least TWO large and smelly dogs are buried. First, how could the GDP send its Minister of Defense to the Liberians in such provocative circumstances? Has his foreign policy advisers and domestic policy advisers lost their shores? Have they played in this "Big Game"? Both in foreign and domestic politics? Secondly, the increasingly obvious game of Israel itself AGAINST RUSSIA raises too many questions about its near and distant past and future. Not knowing even 3% of what the Russian special services know about this, including before the Stalin, Stalin and post-Stalin periods, it is dangerous to judge amateurishly on this topic. As for the work of the Ministry of Defense with Israel, it is, in principle, necessary and useful, but, I am afraid, it is too straightforward, on which we are constantly caught. In any case, Shoigu’s visit to the Liberians right now, in these specific circumstances, has done Russia great harm. My personal opinion is!
    1. Aspid 57
      Aspid 57 18 October 2017 15: 00
      +7
      The visit of Shoigu of Russia did no harm! Only mental trauma to morons dreaming of washing away the shame of 1967, 1973 and 1982! Fools and traitors who forgave all the terrorist attacks in Russia, behind which stick Arab ears! And even funny faces, like Khattab in Chechnya and Abu Valid steered on Dubrovka! The pus of anti-Semitism has completely flooded!
      1. Pissarro
        Pissarro 18 October 2017 16: 18
        +3
        But what does Syria, Assad, Hesboll have to do with it, which together with Russia and Iran beat those who captured Chechnya and Dubrovka - Sunni terrorism. And Israel is a direct ally of this terrorism, it supplies and treats them, and also strikes in the interests of the Syrian army. And the Arabs, by the way, are also Semites, at the expense of anti-Semitism
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  34. Egg
    Egg 18 October 2017 15: 23
    +2
    Quote: Professor
    3 times fired on our planes ... Of course, this is not the reason.

    Have you been invited to Syria? what fashion went to climb into a foreign country without demand? Following your perverted logic of Russia, it’s also just necessary to smash Ukraine, for example, from there, too, shells flew to the Rostov region ...
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 18 October 2017 15: 36
      -1
      It is not necessary to smithereens, but the answer on the APU will not hurt
    2. Aspid 57
      Aspid 57 18 October 2017 15: 42
      +5
      Actually, Israel is invariably invited! Yesterday, the launch of an anti-aircraft missile on an Israeli plane! Well, how was it not to respond? This is not polite! And Israeli planes spun over Lebanon, because 4500 “invitations” in the form of the Kassams, Fajars and other murder weapons had already flown from there once! Who get there through the territory of Syria and with the blessing of Assad! Israel is driving these caravans! With full understanding of Moscow, by the way! In Moscow, if someone doesn’t know, they don’t really like terrorists, even if they don’t even call them out loud terrorists! Like Hezbollah.
    3. Beitar
      Beitar 18 October 2017 16: 16
      +1
      And who is talking about Syria? The planes were in the sky of Lebanon, with reconnaissance flight. Israel and Lebanon are at war, as with Syria. Following your logic, you first barked and then sniffed.
  35. iouris
    iouris 18 October 2017 15: 24
    +1
    Quote: “It’s not for nothing that Israeli politicians come. Oh, for good reason.” The end of the quote.
    These lines are written when the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation is on a visit to Israel.
  36. Egg
    Egg 18 October 2017 15: 54
    +1
    Quote: Aspid 57
    Actually, Israel is invariably invited! Yesterday, the launch of an anti-aircraft missile on an Israeli plane! Well, how was it not to respond? This is not polite! And Israeli planes spun over Lebanon, because 4500 “invitations” in the form of the Kassams, Fajars and other murder weapons had already flown from there once! Who get there through the territory of Syria and with the blessing of Assad! Israel is driving these caravans! With full understanding of Moscow, by the way! In Moscow, if someone doesn’t know, they don’t really like terrorists, even if they don’t even call them out loud terrorists! Like Hezbollah.

    Generally to blame for such invitations You and only you, yourself. Less crap needs neighbors under the fence.
    1. Beitar
      Beitar 18 October 2017 16: 18
      +1
      Quote: Telur
      In general, you and only you yourself are to blame for such invitations. Less crap needs neighbors under the fence.

      Of course, in your wet dreams, Jews are killed with impunity, just because they are Jews! If resistance to attempted murder is to blame, I wish we were VERY guilty!
      1. brigadir
        brigadir 18 October 2017 16: 43
        +2
        laughing
        - Petruha, look over there # d is coming. Let's face him.
        - And if he is to us?
        - And for what? !!!
  37. Robert Korsunsky
    Robert Korsunsky 18 October 2017 16: 19
    +2
    What does the Golan Heights have to do with it ?!) The Arab countries attacked Israel, got it in wort, and accordingly “lost” the Gollan. Another thing is that Iran, Syria, Israel must be seated at the negotiating table in order to resolve long-standing contradictions. Of course, it will be very difficult to do, but if our leadership can do this, it will be a big plus for the whole region. And Russia will be easier there.
    1. vearey
      vearey 18 October 2017 16: 29
      +3
      Russia will be easier there
      Russia will benefit a lot from this situation, the United States and the Sunnis will ... come out to prevent this from happening. Well, the anti-Semites of Russia will also come out.
    2. Pissarro
      Pissarro 18 October 2017 16: 33
      +1
      Another lie. Israel started the war, attacked and defeated the Golan and Sinai. As they say treacherously)
      1. Professor
        Professor 18 October 2017 19: 45
        +2
        Quote: Pissarro
        Another lie. Israel started the war, attacked and defeated the Golan and Sinai. As they say treacherously)

        I will soon get tired of conducting an educational program for you.
        1. Pissarro
          Pissarro 18 October 2017 20: 26
          +2
          Your educational program is a dull propaganda. You work without a spark, take an example with RT)
          1. Professor
            Professor 19 October 2017 07: 02
            +2
            Quote: Pissarro
            Your educational program is a dull propaganda. You work without a spark, take an example with RT)

            I have repeatedly poked your nose into the facts. Repeat? wink
  38. wot
    wot 18 October 2017 18: 07
    +1
    Quote: alta
    It was impossible to attribute the catastrophe to the usual incapacity of the Arabs, and Soviet instructors were sitting next to the Syrians in the booths of the destroyed air defense systems. It’s just that the enemy fought in a new way, and we fought in the old way. "
    Alexander Khramchikhin. Military construction in Russia. The Banner 2005, No.12

    blah blah blah ... we no longer believe in your joyful hysteria over those events. Here are some other results: Soviet aviation losses by Soviet estimates [edit | edit wiki text]
    The victories of Syrian aviation over Israeli aircraft are listed in sufficient detail in the works of V. Ilyin (MiG-23 in the Middle East [8] and Multipurpose fighters of foreign countries [9]):

    June 7 - shot down two aircraft (both - F-16)
    June 8 - Three planes shot down (one F-16, two A-4)
    June 9 - six planes shot down (two F-15, two F-16, one F-4, one Kfir)
    June 10 - downed ten aircraft (including at least three F-15 and one F-16; the types of the remaining aircraft are not reported)
    June 11 - Three planes shot down (all three are F-4)
    According to Ilyin, the Syrian Air Force shot down 24 Israeli planes in five days, including five F-15s, six F-16s, four F-4s, two A-4s, one Kfir, and six aircraft whose types were not installed (in any case, they are not named by V. Ilyin). At the same time, according to G. Yashkin [10], at a meeting of Hafez al-Assad with the leadership of the General Staff, it was reported that in four days of hostilities, Syrian aviation shot down 23 enemy aircraft. The reason for the discrepancy remains unclear, but in any case it can be said that according to Soviet (and possibly Syrian) data, the Syrian Air Force shot down 23 or 24 Israeli aircraft in air battles.
    1. Professor
      Professor 18 October 2017 19: 28
      +4
      Quote: wot
      According to Ilyin, the Syrian Air Force shot down 24 Israeli aircraft in five days, including five F-15, six F-16, four F-4, two A-4, one “Kfir” and six aircraft whose types were not installed (in any case, they are not named by V. Ilyin).

      The wreckage of downed aircraft is still being sought. wink
      1. Grigory_78
        Grigory_78 22 October 2017 09: 54
        0
        Really, who needs this color. Met? Come still the camels stumble on him.
  39. Den nn
    Den nn 18 October 2017 18: 42
    +2
    But how, this Jew answers with quotes from the bottom, and becomes higher in the tape ??? !!! A moderator?
  40. WapentakeLokki
    WapentakeLokki 18 October 2017 18: 52
    +2
    Quote It is clear that we will not allow the destruction of Israel
    Are you serious? Israel exists on two pillars: U.S. support and disunity of the neighboring countries of the neighbors. As soon as this is done. They will stop the mattresses at a loss from supplying Jews with a military uniform and aha, as well as close and distant neighbors in an apartment called the Middle East ( and the apartment there is a fierce communal apartment) to evict the God-chosen priests and will be evicted. Well, for now, the court and the case, walk the flaw aha.
    1. alexsipin
      alexsipin 18 October 2017 20: 01
      +5
      Quote: WapentakeLokki
      yeah, also close and distant neighbors in an apartment called the Middle East (and the apartment is a fierce communal apartment) gather evict God's chosen people and will be evicted

      And then anti-Semitic schmendriks will howl through the media about the terrible Israeli military who dared to smash them utterly.
      1. WapentakeLokki
        WapentakeLokki 18 October 2017 21: 42
        0
        You always beat your enemies to the Rebbe, this is a strategy.The Arabs can’t come to an agreement and it weakens them.But ISIS is not only yours but also the ENEMY of the whole civilization and they are just numerically bigger than you. Remember in Iran_ Iraq war there were already attacks '' alive waves '' and you still haven’t encountered anything like it (and in the Finnish war they say Finnish machine gunners went crazy with attacks from the Red Army chains, you want to try your hand at them) .And finally, technical superiority plays only in the classical war, as you TERROR and not those miserable attempts that you have there right now (I sincerely feel sorry for your victims, but this is not the Terror of the attack when crowds trampled through the checkpoint dreaming of Paradise with 55 virgins or 77th). fragile and especially with the expansion of Wahhabism, but I repeat this is the problem of all the civilized people (it’s a pity that not everyone catches up with it)
        1. alexsipin
          alexsipin 18 October 2017 22: 28
          +2
          Quote: WapentakeLokki
          when crowds of martyrs trample through the checkpoint

          The Arabs have visited such marches more than once. Machine-gun line in the legs sharply returns adequate behavior.
          1. WapentakeLokki
            WapentakeLokki 19 October 2017 18: 59
            +1
            Well, give your God that the scene from the movie Z (with Brad Pete, if it’s not clear) never came true. It's good that you are so confident in your military, but you can’t do without the help of your eternal patron alas.
  41. wot
    wot 18 October 2017 19: 57
    +1
    Quote: Professor
    The wreckage of downed aircraft is still sought

    nickname professor, but you talk like a laboratory assistant, an article about how the “birds” crashed into f-35 puts everything in its place laughing how are you Jews admit their weakness ..... wink and the "birds" were SAR laughing the answer to you about the wreckage tongue
    1. Karen
      Karen 20 October 2017 15: 21
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      Andrew aka wot,
      I am deeply outraged by your assumptions that the F35 is dented by a rocket from the C200 !!! Did the rocket explode and the plane did not break off from the shock wave? Well, I understand, maybe the pilot could turn the missile defense maneuver, but we are reading about the sluggishness of this colossus, even if compared to the Su35. And if this radar operator missed - tomorrow I’ll call him to put on his shoulder a tattoo for himself all the pieces from the sky guards.
      Air defense soldier lying on the road,
      Not killed by a bullet - stuck him.
      ____
      Gee.
      :)
  42. BOS Constantine
    BOS Constantine 18 October 2017 20: 13
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    All these problems need to be solved peacefully, in an Olympic manner, i.e. showing strength.
    I will explain. Assad’s army, with the help of the Russian Armed Forces and the blessings of Allah, needs to squeeze and free the remaining 8 (18 or 28 ...)% of Syria’s territory from the Islamic State, DKHANUVSRA, Iran, Iraq, Kurds, the USA and other trifles.
    And then announce the departure of Arme
    1. BOS Constantine
      BOS Constantine 18 October 2017 20: 39
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      It was interrupted without the ability to edit, so I will continue:
      And then to announce the holding of Field Games of all adjacent forces: Syria, Israel, Jordan, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, the USA, Kurds, the combined opposition team of the Syrian Assad, and the Russian team. The minimum program is tank biathlon, air defense battery firing, fighter fights, long-range missile firing ... and a field kitchen. Desert places in the Syria sea. There is where to tumble. All equipment is nearby. You don’t need to drag in Alabino. Whoever doesn’t enter the ring voluntarily - to deliver forcefully or technically defeat - real, lethal weapons.
      1. alexsipin
        alexsipin 18 October 2017 21: 04
        +1
        Quote: BOS Constantin
        Whoever doesn’t enter the ring voluntarily - to deliver forcefully or technically defeat - real, lethal weapons.

        Who will deliver the delivery?
        1. Grigory_78
          Grigory_78 22 October 2017 09: 58
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          Do not give a dream to a person ...
          “I would take you to a clean field, put you facing the wall. Yes, and hack to hell!” (C). The name of the film with all the desire I can’t remember, alas.
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  44. Egg
    Egg 19 October 2017 09: 37
    +2
    Quote: Beitar
    And who is talking about Syria? The planes were in the sky of Lebanon, with reconnaissance flight. Israel and Lebanon are at war, as with Syria. Following your logic, you first barked and then sniffed.

    You were not invited to Lebanon either, or do we not know something?
    Or is Lebanon not a sovereign country?
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  46. Ilja2016
    Ilja2016 21 October 2017 11: 59
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    Quote: xetai9977
    Article - continuous pathos! Wow! "for the Syrian army, the destruction of the same battery is unpleasant, but not critical." It turns out that a completely expensive air defense system, whatever it was, is a minuscule for Asadushka. His army is super-duper armed! laughing Further- "For Russia, such raids are also more like a mosquito squeak. Mosquito peeps. It’s unpleasant to listen to." Ally is outlined along and across, whenever they want and wherever they want, it turns out the mosquito peeps laughing Further. "The Syrian army two years ago and the Syrian army today are two completely different armies. This also applies to the army of Iran. Well-armed ... with many years of combat experience, motivated and evil ... It is clear that we will not allow the destruction of Israel." laughing laughing laughing Tremble, Israel! Assadushka with his "great and invincible" army is coming at you! laughing laughing This also applies to Iran. By the way. His army will be more powerful at times Syrian, but even in this case, the Ayatollahs do not shine. This is to say the least. In general, the author amused the audience in the morning.

    Shut up! Already tired.
  47. Ilja2016
    Ilja2016 21 October 2017 12: 03
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    Quote: Professor
    Quote: Pissarro
    Somaliland, Biafra, Catalonia also proclaimed independence, like some other Papuan tribes. These are empty declarations. Until at least one state or UN recognizes you

    And educational program for you. Israel is not some sort of separatist province declaring its independence from the mother country. Israel at the time of independence was already a fait accompli. Just 11 minutes after independence, it was recognized by the US president. And of course, thanks to the scoop for voting for the division of the territory intended for Jews into Arab and Jewish.

    Malice is rushing laughing laughing Look don't burst laughing
  48. Alex rad
    Alex rad 22 October 2017 01: 03
    +2
    It’s enough to recall who armed the Georgian army, whose sights were on the T-72, who delivered the drones to the Georgians in the war against Russia on 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX, who do you want to regret Israil? They regretted you when they delivered it all to the Georgians, because they did not understand who it was against weapons will be used — business and nothing personal — the truth
  49. artwin
    artwin 22 October 2017 12: 10
    +1
    Zionists must be fought as illiteracy.
    1. DEPARTMENT
      DEPARTMENT 22 October 2017 12: 21
      +1
      Quote: artwin
      Zionists must be fought as illiteracy.

      No one knows how to deal with them ... Tenacious!

      Alas, everything according to their plan is still going on .. but we are resisting! soldier
  50. neoxine
    neoxine April 9 2018 14: 38
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    Well written clearly.