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Rosoboronexport withdraws from tenders of Indian Ministry of Internal Affairs for the purchase of automatic machines

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The Rosoboronexport company (the main special exporter of Russian armaments, part of Rostec) refused to participate in the tenders of the Indian Ministry of the Interior for the purchase of more than 20 thousand machine guns of the 7,62 x39 caliber. This was reported on Monday by a source in the system of military-technical cooperation.


Tender documentation for 99% is "sharpened" by specialists from the Indian Ministry of the Interior for obsolete Kalashnikov assault rifles, produced in Bulgaria under an expired Soviet license. Requirements of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of India for units of more than 20000 units purchased for the national police and border service initially do not allow Russian companies to submit their commercial proposals.
- Said the source agency.

Rosoboronexport withdraws from tenders of Indian Ministry of Internal Affairs for the purchase of automatic machines


According to him, among the critical procurement conditions, the Indian side called the presence of an iron shop, while in Russia they were long ago abandoned in favor of more reliable plastic, devices for disassembling and assembling the trigger mechanism (USM), although in the new Russian AK hundredth The series of the USM design has been improved and no longer requires such a device as part of the belonging to the machine, as well as steel folding butts, while modern ones are made from composite materials.

A source at Rosoboronexport confirmed the refusal to participate in tenders of the Indian Ministry of the Interior for the purchase of automatic machines due to the incompatibility of the Russian AK-103 with the conditions of the tenders, but did not comment on the current procurement policy of the Indian Ministry of Interior, citing the incorrectness of such statements.

In turn, the Kalashnikov Concern (part of Rostec) expressed great surprise at the fact that old metal shops are of great importance to buyers in the Indian Ministry of Internal Affairs.

They are less durable and rusting in hot climates. The whole world has long been moving to plastic
- stressed in the concern’s press service, noting that they plan to invite relevant Indian journalists and experts to Russia, so that they could see with their own eyes the modern and high-quality weapon, which Indian police and border guards could get if the current tender conditions "were more benevolent to the manufacturer of real Kalashnikov assault rifles."

Indians, of course, have the right to choose any weapon for their law enforcement agencies. In turn, the Russian side is fully entitled not to act as a tender statistician, so that Rosoboronexport’s refusal to participate in tenders is a logical decision. But if the conditions of the tenders are changed, we are ready to participate in them.
- Said in concern, transmits TASS
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  1. 73bor
    73bor 16 October 2017 19: 09 New
    +3
    Really India and antique shops are not able to produce, ours just need to restore the old production, that's all the hell!
    1. oleg-gr
      oleg-gr 16 October 2017 19: 14 New
      34
      Does it make sense to restore such production? It is correctly said: ““ The tender documentation is 99% “sharpened” for obsolete Kalashnikov assault rifles made in Bulgaria. ” That is the whole answer. Indian American friends did their best.
      1. iConst
        iConst 16 October 2017 19: 19 New
        +8
        Quote: oleg-gr
        It is correctly said: ““ The tender documentation is 99% “sharpened” for obsolete Kalashnikov assault rifles made in Bulgaria. ”

        Something is not right here ... laughing
        Grenades of the wrong system ... ©

        And more:
        Rosoboronexport has left tenders ...
        It was they who first “logged in” - let's just in case, we'll figure it out. And then - oooh! Such a wrong tender - let's go, Vasya, squatted ... laughing
        1. Shurik70
          Shurik70 16 October 2017 22: 07 New
          +9
          There is an old rule - BUYER ALWAYS RIGHTS
          If Rosoboronexport has failed to convince the Indians that plastic stores are better than iron stores, it is his fault, not the Indians.
          They will not buy from us - they will buy from another. Lost profit.
          1. Mih1974
            Mih1974 17 October 2017 00: 00 New
            +4
            Well convince and "convince" these are two more difference repeat . Maybe they were greedy, or maybe they decided - let them choke on this shit.
            On the other hand, there will still be Kalash and having sex with outdated crap, then quietly they will conclude a normal agreement with us. tongue
          2. iConst
            iConst 17 October 2017 00: 34 New
            +6
            Quote: Shurik70
            If Rosoboronexport has failed to convince the Indians that plastic stores are better than iron stores, it is his fault, not the Indians.

            It seems you do not know what a tender is. Especially military. Conditions determine, it happens, more than one year.
            And here: Wai, darago! Melons Net, Daragoy! Buy a watermelon! Sweet - I ate two myself! laughing
          3. Kurare
            Kurare 17 October 2017 14: 12 New
            +9
            Quote: Shurik70
            They will not buy from us - they will buy from another. Lost profit.

            The tender in India, and I have not passed such a tender, involves the participation of at least 3 participants. Only in exceptional cases, if no one else produces the equipment, two can participate.

            It seems that the Bulgarians (that is, probably the Americans) here podsuetsilsya and registered the terms of reference for this tender. Rosoboronexport, having left the tender because of its obvious one-sidedness towards the Bulgarians, this tender must have froze it, I don’t think that there were more than three participants there.

            And now the most interesting part may begin: if Rosoboronexport has left the tender with an official letter to the tender commission about the “one-sidedness” of the terms of reference in favor of one of the participants, this can and should even lead to dismantling. And since money from the budget is a jurisdiction, since there is definitely a corruption component.

            In general, the absolutely correct decision of Rosoboronexport. Let's see how it all ends.
          4. hmiland
            hmiland 18 October 2017 16: 48 New
            0
            20000 machines - lost profits? In my opinion with warranty service you are tormented ... soldier
      2. Partyzan
        Partyzan 16 October 2017 20: 11 New
        +9
        made in Bulgaria under an expired Soviet license.
        and copyright does not apply?
        1. oldseaman1957
          oldseaman1957 16 October 2017 20: 53 New
          +7
          ... for buyers in the Indian Ministry of Internal Affairs, old metal shops are of great importance ... Indians, of course, have the right to choose any weapon for their law enforcement agencies.
          - A kind of people, and they have the same requirements, with local flavor ...

          1. Cossack 471
            Cossack 471 16 October 2017 22: 21 New
            +3
            Judging by the photo. then the machine is not the main thing. but the leg to lift up above the head is the most that.
          2. Grits
            Grits 17 October 2017 07: 21 New
            +3
            If my memory serves me, then this photo is not of Indian soldiers, but of Pakistani
            1. Mic1969
              Mic1969 17 October 2017 07: 37 New
              +3
              Indians and Pakistanis. It’s they who are so kicking out at the border.
            2. DiKoff
              DiKoff 17 October 2017 22: 30 New
              +1
              partially changes .. the Indian in olive form, and the Pakistani in black .. this is the daily divorce of the guard at the closing and opening of the Indo-Pakistani border
          3. Igorec
            Igorec 17 October 2017 22: 23 New
            0
            https://youtu.be/Z3EOrPkqOVc в живую так сказать смена караула у погранцов
        2. gromoboj
          gromoboj 16 October 2017 21: 40 New
          +1
          Everything regarding Russia is not valid.
      3. alexmach
        alexmach 16 October 2017 20: 55 New
        +8
        But is it impossible to deliver from warehouses a suitable one under tender conditions?
        1. drunkram
          drunkram 16 October 2017 21: 12 New
          +7
          and replace with brand new AK103 so that at least a little bit gets into the troops - a good idea, alexmach
          1. alexmach
            alexmach 16 October 2017 21: 40 New
            +3
            The AK-103 seemed to be initially exported, there in the 100th series there was only one model shortened under the current army cartridge. But in any case, the MO complained about an excess of AK in the warehouse, including outdated modifications, up to a sample of 47 years.
        2. DiKoff
          DiKoff 17 October 2017 22: 32 New
          0
          amateurish answer ... under the contract there is another 10 years of spare parts for obsolete junk and for all this also guarantees to carry under the contract .. it's a convoy like a parking anchor
          1. alexmach
            alexmach 18 October 2017 08: 23 New
            +1
            Do the MO have any problems with spare parts for AK?
      4. Shura Perm
        Shura Perm 16 October 2017 22: 11 New
        +2
        These are all omnipotent kickbacks ...
    2. Roma
      Roma 1977 16 October 2017 19: 15 New
      +8
      As I understand it, Bulgarian weapons are cheaper.
      1. DEPARTMENT
        DEPARTMENT 16 October 2017 19: 29 New
        +6
        Quote: Roma-1977
        As I understand it, Bulgarian weapons are cheaper.

        And I understand that there could not have been without the USA and Israel .. The Bulgarians probably have Kalash brilliant and beautifully packed .. hehe
        Well, the Indians, breed them like suckers on a variety of weapons ..
        1. Foundling
          Foundling 16 October 2017 19: 58 New
          +4
          The point is the price! AK-103 is significantly more expensive than AKM at a price.
          1. aws4
            aws4 16 October 2017 23: 59 New
            +4
            cheaper in production akm (ak 103) with a muzzle brake and a butt from ak 74m is more expensive than its better-executed dad ????? how can it be ?????????
            1. Foundling
              Foundling 17 October 2017 13: 52 New
              +1
              Dad is really much better. But cheaper! Why? Ask KK
            2. Foundling
              Foundling 17 October 2017 13: 54 New
              +1
              And yes! A whistle at AKM is cheaper than a DTK AK74 with a butt the same garbage
              1. aws4
                aws4 17 October 2017 18: 23 New
                +2
                and let's ask together ??? I have an idea to write an article - an appeal on this site .. why a cheapened I don’t want an automatic machine costs more than Soviet Kalash ... I had experience operating akm, ak74, aks74, aksu, aks74m .. and the last issue of the 90s I was simply shocked by its quality execution and what it turns into after 2-3 years of operation by conscripts ... to say that this stuff is simply to say nothing .... and what surprised me most was the receiver cover without stiffeners ... well, not really on these ribs such savings ???? Well spanks himself a cover press and spanks .... maybe it's pests, engineers got ????????
                1. Foundling
                  Foundling 18 October 2017 11: 44 New
                  +1
                  Totally agree with you! I would add an ever-littered gas block on the AK-74. I think during the period of AKM production, the plant management would be put to the wall for such quality! I’m silent about civilian saigas.
      2. figwam
        figwam 16 October 2017 19: 29 New
        +7
        After the ban on the sale of our weapons to the FSA, the Bulgarian “arsenal” is not embarrassed to equip American citizens with its machine gun even more, it is possible that here the Americans were fussing and helped once again to the arsenal in the new contract.
      3. kapitan92
        kapitan92 16 October 2017 19: 39 New
        +9
        Quote: Roma-1977
        As I understand it, Bulgarian weapons are cheaper.

        Arsenal JSC is a Bulgarian private company, a large manufacturer and exporter of firearms and ammunition. Located in the city of Kazanlak. It is the oldest arms manufacturer in Bulgaria.
        The company produces a wide range of small arms:
        In 1971-1972, the production of pistol cartridges 9 × 18 mm PM was mastered.

        In 1971-1973, the production of a PC machine gun was mastered.

        In 1976-1978, the production of the PKT tank machine gun was mastered.

        In 1985-1987, the production of 5,45x39 mm cartridges was mastered.

        In the late 1980s - early 1990s, Arsenal began cooperation with companies from Japan, Sweden, Ukraine and Germany.

        On June 12, 1989, the company received a new name - Arsenal, and on December 20, 1991 it was transformed into a closed joint-stock company Arsenal.

        In 1998, the plant mastered the production of SVD.
        Automata:
        AR-M1 / AR-M1F - a model based on the AK-74 chambered for 5,56 × 45 mm, but heavier, with a lower rate of fire, has a higher initial bullet speed and luminous inserts in the sight.
        AR-M2 / AR-M2F, AR-SF - model based on the AKS-74U chambered for 5,56 × 45 mm with the possibility of installing a laser target designator
        AR-M4SF - shortened AKS-74 with a Red-Dot sight and the ability to install a night sight and a laser target designator
        AR-M7 - heavier versions of the AKM with a folding butt, plastic fittings, luminous inserts in the sight and increased to bullet muzzle velocity up to 915 m / s. 5.56x45 NATO cartridge or 7,62 × 39 mm (AR-M7F).
        AR-M9 - a copy of the AKM with accessories made of black plastic.
        AR, AR-F, AR-1, AR-1F - modification AK-47, with accessories made of black plastic, luminous inserts in the sight and aiming bar.
    3. NEXUS
      NEXUS 16 October 2017 20: 44 New
      14
      Quote: 73bor
      ours just need to restore the old production that's all the hell!

      Because of 20 thousand machines to restore the production of iron stores? Are you out of your mind? And then, when the order to fulfill what to do with this production then?
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 16 October 2017 22: 06 New
        +1
        Because of 20 thousand machines to restore the production of iron stores?
        Have you heard anything about the market? There is a demand, there is a supply. Just what kind of fat Russian bureaucrats?
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 16 October 2017 22: 25 New
          14
          Quote: Gardamir
          Have you heard anything about the market? There is a demand, there is a supply.

          Quote: Russian folk tale
          You, servicemen, heard a ringing ... but you don’t know where he is ...

          It's about you Gardamir
          Question to you: but the fact that in addition to the words "demand" and "supply" there is, for example, the word "profitability"Have you ever heard? wink
        2. Black_Vatnik
          Black_Vatnik 16 October 2017 22: 37 New
          +2
          20 thousand automatic machines are not a market, but a station stall. The name is a large and serious production of round buns, will you bother because someone wants a small batch of square buns?
        3. Black_Vatnik
          Black_Vatnik 16 October 2017 22: 59 New
          0
          Big and serious name


          Having no name
        4. NEXUS
          NEXUS 16 October 2017 23: 25 New
          +4
          Quote: Gardamir
          Have you heard anything about the market?

          Which market is that? Now everyone is switching to plastic ... or are you going to sell metal horns to perfumes?
        5. Manul
          Manul 17 October 2017 02: 28 New
          +7
          Quote: Gardamir
          Have you heard anything about the market? There is a demand, there is a supply. Just what kind of fat Russian bureaucrats?

          And why are you all "bureaucrats" then rotting? Who are the officials for you? Corn on the tongue is not stuffed with their stamps? An official is a civil servant who does tedious and necessary work. And because of you, the bastards at the top make them a red rag for the bull for the people. And now suffice it to say - we will reduce the salaries of officials, such as you shout - ATU! And in a couple of months they’ll cut everyone down. Then they’ll retire age. Then everything else. You are a short-sighted man Gardamir.
          1. Grits
            Grits 17 October 2017 07: 35 New
            +4
            So I work as an official and I am constantly distressed by the fact that the officials in our country have been made a bogey and a source of all the troubles of unhappy citizens. But who should do the same thankless job.
            1. Manul
              Manul 18 October 2017 22: 33 New
              +1
              Quote: Gritsa
              and such an thankless job

              Thank you. At least I heard it firsthand. Thank you hi Thank you very much and real!
        6. 72jora72
          72jora72 17 October 2017 04: 36 New
          +3
          There is a demand, there is a supply. Just what kind of fat Russian bureaucrats?
          In the world for about 8 years there has been no demand for metal stores to AK ........
        7. Grits
          Grits 17 October 2017 07: 25 New
          +3
          And in our case, the necessary number of machine guns with iron stores and stray for repairing the trigger did not fill up in warehouses?
    4. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek 16 October 2017 21: 43 New
      +5
      Quote: 73bor
      Really India and antique shops are not able to produce, ours just need to restore the old production, that's all the hell!

      there’s nothing else to do because of the vagaries of the Indians to restore production .... ours will restore, and then they will abruptly refuse the contract, where the old shops appear !! wassat lol lol lol negative negative negative
    5. Alexander Petrov1
      Alexander Petrov1 16 October 2017 22: 14 New
      +1
      But why rebuild? After all, there are millions of machines in stock and completely new beginning of the 2000s, so it’s better for them to sell, but it’s better than giving them away like the Philippines !?
    6. Juborg
      Juborg 17 October 2017 16: 09 New
      +2
      One thing confuses, is it really impossible to find detailed weapons and iron stores and metal stocks in warehouses in Russia? I am not an expert, but I think this goodness is enough in the original version. So what kind of tender are we leaving, if we can offer an old, time-tested, reliable weapon, without producing it, but simply selling it from a warehouse, almost ready for decommissioning? Apparently, the Kalash company decided to make extra money on production, because buying from the state and reselling to the Indians is not profitable for them, it does not give a net profit and will have to be divided.
    7. Evgenii Xolod
      Evgenii Xolod 17 October 2017 23: 15 New
      0
      Restore is expensive. It’s easier to remove the right amount from the reserve warehouses, it’s more difficult with the butt)))))))) they just want to sell what they do well and are reflected, which they give guarantees for, and not the pots, it is not clear that they will not receive a claim later. Because the products with the power set are honed for such a store, such a butt and such a cartridge :-D
  2. Sasha75
    Sasha75 16 October 2017 19: 19 New
    +5
    And about the machines, we don’t know the main price of one product in the application for what India is ready to buy, maybe 10 euros there. The Turks bought our AK and cheaper than this, and now they have the largest arsenal in the reserve of AK from the former Warsaw Union. Here Bulgarian AK somewhere 10 thousand were brought by terrorists to Syria.
    1. DenZ
      DenZ 16 October 2017 19: 27 New
      +3
      Quote: Sasha75
      The Turks bought our AKs and cheaper than this and now they have the largest arsenal in the AK reserve from the former Warsaw Union

      At tenders they usually do not buy weapons and buy new ones. So the comparison with Turkey is not fair here.
      1. sogdy
        sogdy 17 October 2017 00: 07 New
        +1
        Quote: DenZ
        At tenders they usually don’t buy weapons and buy new ones.

        Vashcheta, at the "tenders" still sell. If we talk about the correct use of words.
        So shta, not a fact.
  3. The brightest
    The brightest 16 October 2017 19: 31 New
    +3
    I think the conditions here are based on the fact that they already have such in some quantity and that would not be thrown out, will be used as spare parts.
    And the metal horns in the chest unloading also give protection, at least psychological. How are the bronics spread?
  4. Herculesic
    Herculesic 16 October 2017 19: 32 New
    +5
    Indians nostalgia, they are retrograde wassat , and we refuse to sell iron stores for automatic machines crying lol
  5. 23rus
    23rus 16 October 2017 19: 46 New
    +4
    I think the main factor is maintainability. Of two or three non-working AK47, one worker can be assembled, and the iron horns do not crack, but bend. laughing
    1. K-50
      K-50 16 October 2017 20: 20 New
      +8
      Quote: 23rus
      I think the main factor is maintainability. Of two or three non-working AK47, one worker can be assembled, and the iron horns do not crack, but bend. laughing

      And you try to straighten it back so that the feed of cartridges does not jam. yes
      It is easier and cheaper to stamp them out of plastic.
    2. dubovitskiy.1947
      dubovitskiy.1947 16 October 2017 20: 30 New
      0
      Quote: 23rus
      I think the main factor is maintainability. Of two or three non-working AK47, one worker can be assembled, and the iron horns do not crack, but bend. laughing

      I think so too. But not by recovering from the trash.
      Making horns and the rest from metal is much easier to organize and carry out.
      Also: do we not have our own interests in the sale of new products? Or towers at any cost, even if this step cuts off for themselves new, and more profitable steps? How can something moo about this if none of us knows the whole background?
  6. Operator
    Operator 16 October 2017 19: 48 New
    +7
    Rosoboronexport completely failed the tender and now is telling tales - it was precisely those AK and AKM that the Indians ordered in the Russian warehouses.
    1. sogdy
      sogdy 17 October 2017 00: 14 New
      +4
      Quote: Operator
      in the Russian warehouses exactly those

      Cho a lot of specialists in military depots divorced.
      1. Navigator Basov
        Navigator Basov 17 October 2017 21: 55 New
        0
        He simply passed by such a warehouse, and accidentally looked in.
  7. Romanenko
    Romanenko 16 October 2017 19: 59 New
    11
    Ours of course, to some extent, "turned on the fool," but that's right, it is time for the Indians to settle down, forever everyone wants to twist the beatsals. They know perfectly well what the 103rd looks like, and most likely they want to buy, but the main thing is to prescribe the terms of the tender for the Bulgarian illiquid asset in order to lower the price of Kalashnikov ...
    And figurines to you, dear partners, or rather expensive.
    Stop freaking out, you want a weapon, pay for AK 103, you want scrap metal, plizz to Bulgaria
  8. pvv113
    pvv113 16 October 2017 20: 15 New
    +5
    the presence of an iron store, while in Russia they have long been abandoned in favor of more reliable plastic

    In our school, plastic was also more appreciated - firstly, they are lighter, and secondly, more aesthetic.
  9. K-50
    K-50 16 October 2017 20: 16 New
    +4
    Tender documentation is 99% “sharpened” by Indian Interior Ministry specialists for obsolete Kalashnikov assault rifles for the reserve of the national police and border service in the amount of more than 20000 units

    And what about the stock of AK-47 or what? belay
    Take and sell, clean up the warehouses for one and from obsolete weapons.
    Or is the fact that kickbacks of “managers from the defense industry” did not work? So this is to the prosecutor's office. yes
    1. The comment was deleted.
      1. Topgun
        Topgun 16 October 2017 22: 34 New
        +1
        "canning is more expensive than making a new one" - you need to write it down - I have not seen such "experts" ...
        UTB AK - pull it out of the pool, it will shoot, and you say that wiping with a cloth from the grease is more expensive than doing it new? just tin ... and someone else pluses ...
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 16 October 2017 23: 37 New
          +9
          Quote: Topgun
          UTB AK - pull it out of the pool, he will shoot

          Have you tried it yourself? Or read somewhere? And by the way - depending on how long he lay in this pool.
          Quote: Topgun
          and you say that wiping with a cloth from the grease is more expensive than doing it new?

          Lift it from the warehouse, wash it off with grease (it’s not enough with a “cloth” ... the machine was dusting for half a century), disassemble, clean (with pens, mind you. It’s not all free), examine carefully - is it all (the customer will examine it, be trustworthy), collect, lubricate, shoot ... This is all, dear, it costs quite specific money.
          Quote: Topgun
          and someone pluses

          But those who understand all this, those plus yes
          1. Topgun
            Topgun 17 October 2017 07: 16 New
            +2
            Unlike you, apparently, I had to do this procedure (like many conscripts for almost half a century), with the help of a cloth and the "mother of the ensign" who didn’t give anything anymore, everything is perfectly cleaned, it is not preserved in concrete.
            Once again, you want to say that making a new one is cheaper? (about materials - especially working parts and a barrel where good steel is needed, I don’t say) it’s not all stamped - you also need to mill ...
            The same workers who collect, inspect and lubricate each new Kalash with pens in the workplace can put canned work into use - that’s how I work in a Western manner, but it’s better to let conscripts work and at the same time they’ll build up the weapons structure ...
      2. K-50
        K-50 17 October 2017 06: 28 New
        +1
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        everywhere you vegetable rollbacks seem.

        You will see vegetables in the mirror. yes
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 17 October 2017 06: 29 New
          +7
          Quote: K-50
          You will see vegetables in the mirror

          Judging by yourself, no way? Zia, my friend, Zya (s) laughing
    2. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 17 October 2017 23: 37 New
      +7
      Well, here ... for some reason deleted the comment, and even slapped the "medal" recourse

      In short, there was something like this:
      1. The operation to select 20000 trunks from stored in warehouses and bring them to a state of new ones (you do not think that Indians will buy scrap metal?) Is very expensive and probably will not justify itself. It's easier to make new ones
      2. Comrades of type K-50, which only saws and kickbacks seem to be everywhere, I personally have already been pretty ... fed up. Yes, they, moreover, are also sneaking (see above about the "medal").
      That's about as request
      1. K-50
        K-50 18 October 2017 08: 10 New
        +1
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        2. Comrades of the K-50 type, which seem to only have cuts and kickbacks everywhere, I personally have already been pretty ... fed up. Yes, they, moreover, are also sneaking (see above about the "medal").
        That's about as

        The people did not slander anyone. Sorry about your "medal", not in the know.
        if you’re tired, just don’t read me, forget about my existence. and sleep well.
        About kickbacks among the "managers" only very stupid and deaf does not know.
        Because they do not consider it possible not to feed themselves with transactions.
        If you really pierce your eyes, well, rest your forehead on the upstairs with all the dope. They say even a headache goes away if you hit a finger with a hammer, here’s the cure. yes tongue laughing
  10. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 16 October 2017 20: 22 New
    +2
    Something wild. Kalashnikov lost to Kalashnikov.
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 16 October 2017 20: 29 New
      14
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Kalashnikov lost to Kalashnikov.

      The Hindus have chosen, almost according to the classics, "a larger number, at a cheaper price."
      Bulgarian "Kalashnikov" is not Kalashnikov laughing
    2. APASUS
      APASUS 16 October 2017 20: 36 New
      +4
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Something wild. Kalashnikov lost to Kalashnikov.

      It’s not Kalashnikov who lost to Kalashnikov, or rather Kalashnikov lost to the underground production of machine guns. There is more likely a rollback than the official proposed
      1. Cossack 471
        Cossack 471 16 October 2017 22: 26 New
        +1
        Right Not all yogurts are the same
    3. dubovitskiy.1947
      dubovitskiy.1947 16 October 2017 20: 42 New
      +1
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Something wild. Kalashnikov lost to Kalashnikov.

      Is it not possible to assume that our specialists gave the brats "money" to earn money in order to have a formal right to go to court for violating license rights? While there are no towers, there is no qualification for the gravity of the crime? What does your thousand-year-old intuition about buying and selling tell you?
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 16 October 2017 23: 44 New
        +1
        On military products and patents, the licensing law is very short: either 15, or 20 years.
        1. dubovitskiy.1947
          dubovitskiy.1947 17 October 2017 01: 33 New
          +2
          Quote: voyaka uh
          On military products and patents, the licensing law is very short: either 15, or 20 years.

          Only a person of your nationality can say something without saying anything.
          Thank you for the information.
    4. Manul
      Manul 17 October 2017 02: 31 New
      +2
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Something wild. Kalashnikov lost to Kalashnikov.

      Everyone knows that our bros with a production license have been great. It’s strange from you, Warrior, to hear such a thing. You are an old-timer here, and this topic has been raised repeatedly.
  11. APASUS
    APASUS 16 October 2017 20: 34 New
    +3
    India is famous for its corruption, and as a rule, more than half of tenders are canceled due to the possible "pouring into the pockets" of officials by businessmen.
    So no wonder
  12. tracer
    tracer 16 October 2017 20: 42 New
    +5
    Bulgarian assault rifles are practically indistinguishable from Soviet ones. The quality is very decent, shot at accuracy (the same as ours), the cartridges are also normal. We don’t forget that we delivered the finished production to them and trained specialists .... In June, the driver went to his parents in Bulgaria .... Khrenachat in the Arsenal in three shifts, he also said that his classmates at the plant also riveted the “seven” for days on end ... And if the firearms can somehow be tied to deliveries to the United States (the sales opportunities there for chain weapons stores are very large), then shots to the seven are sent directly to the barmales.
    1. nedgen
      nedgen 16 October 2017 22: 17 New
      +5
      Honestly, far from straight. There are contracts with Amer companies that declare that they are extreme consumers, but they sell to barmaley. The same thing is shared by all other manufacturers. Not only Arsenal. Most of the arsenal shots for the seven still go to the Kurds and Iraqis. Yes, and you are a tracer about the Bulgarian production - it is not underground at all. At one time, technologies for the production of AK, ATGM, RPG, PC, LNG, ZU-23 SAU 2C1 Gvozdika (excluding barrels - in Bulgaria there were never any blanks for barrels of this caliber and engines) MTLB and a lot of other things were transferred on absolutely legal grounds. weapons and equipment. A misunderstanding was concluded in the mid-90s and Bulgaria paid a certain amount (I don’t know which one) for all these technologies. Russia has NO official complaints about arms production in Bulgaria. Moreover, even at the time the production began, the equipment was not the latest models. For example, the production of AK was based on milled receiver boxes and at that time the USSR was already doing all the Kalash with a stamped box.
  13. ARES623
    ARES623 16 October 2017 20: 50 New
    +3
    Bulgaria is a member of NATO. Uses a NATO standard weapon. Many new weapons were littered in warehouses without the prospect of their use. So they agreed at a bargain price to earn at least something, and at the same time free up the area of ​​the warehouses. And the Indians have such an order in purchases - to buy only through bidding. They wrote out TK for a specific product, that's all the trick. Negotiated and only. Russia will never sell its new weapons in the requested amount for the money prepared for this weapon. The price is most likely not very high.
    1. Jmbg
      Jmbg 20 October 2017 00: 37 New
      +2
      The Bulgarian army uses Kalash from Arsenal. The arsenal operates 24x7, hired everything that can move, it is impossible to start any kind of industrial production within a radius of 100 km from it and from Sopot VSW (ammunition) - there are no workers.
      1. ARES623
        ARES623 24 October 2017 23: 04 New
        0
        Quote: Jmbg
        The arsenal operates 24x7, hired everything that can move, it is impossible to start any kind of industrial production within a radius of 100 km from it and from Sopot VSW (ammunition) - there are no workers.

        In CMEA, breathing easier ... Sami chose their European path.
  14. Berkut24
    Berkut24 16 October 2017 21: 26 New
    +1
    I feel that when the brothers again remember that it is time to be friends with Russia, they may face harsh reality to pay for the costs of the northern neighbor from their cunning. And I hope that this will be only the initial condition for the start of negotiations. The bear is no longer a good teddy bear, it is just a bear.
  15. Auditor
    Auditor 16 October 2017 21: 45 New
    +2
    Gentlemen, how will Hindi roll back? If the tender conditions are written for a specific sample, then everything is agreed in advance. And the tender is just a formality. The arms business is as dirty as the level of corruption in India. A simple explanation is the most correct; no one has canceled the base instincts of eagerness and theft.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 16 October 2017 22: 09 New
      +1
      as in Hindi there will be a "rollback"

      पीछे हटना - rollback
      1. sogdy
        sogdy 17 October 2017 00: 24 New
        +3
        Quote: Gardamir
        पीछे हटना - rollback

        Don't get smart, show your finger (s)
        Give a transcription.
  16. Normal ok
    Normal ok 17 October 2017 00: 55 New
    0
    In other words, they just threw it.
  17. astraco
    astraco 17 October 2017 01: 36 New
    0
    Maybe it’s the price, weapons from Bulgaria are cheaper.
  18. 72jora72
    72jora72 17 October 2017 04: 39 New
    +1
    Quote: pvv113
    the presence of an iron store, while in Russia they have long been abandoned in favor of more reliable plastic

    In our school, plastic was also more appreciated - firstly, they are lighter, and secondly, more aesthetic.

    Here is the keyword the weight.
  19. ver_
    ver_ 17 October 2017 06: 39 New
    0
    Quote: Cossack 471
    Judging by the photo. then the machine is not the main thing. but the leg to lift up above the head is the most that.

    ... whoever can lift his leg like that, however, is capable of running away very quickly very quickly - the machine will only get in the way ..
  20. Engineer
    Engineer 17 October 2017 08: 58 New
    0
    We no longer have old Ak in our storage depots? I doubt it, although the brother, who serves in the Russian Guard, said that the uniform depots of their units are empty - along with all the dry bins (they haven’t been given out for half a year), they left where it is known. And even if our government is not able to resolve this issue, so let the miners receive at least such help.
  21. complete zero
    complete zero 17 October 2017 09: 44 New
    0
    so what's good for us .. are we losing the market?
  22. Boris Chernikov
    Boris Chernikov 17 October 2017 16: 42 New
    0
    what is the problem? Would put from the stocks of the Ministry of Defense and all
  23. Antoxa iglinsky
    Antoxa iglinsky 17 October 2017 18: 06 New
    0
    And why did they decide that the tender was tailored specifically for AK, even if it is made in Bulgaria? A lot of junk - Belgian, German, Swiss, Austrian and so on. A specific model of the machine is not indicated, maybe they want to buy FN FAL?
  24. Oleg Petrov
    Oleg Petrov 17 October 2017 22: 50 New
    0
    And what is in store for this new junk? At the same time, we updated the warehouses with weapons of NZ! However, rather, they pecked at the optics, which are equipped with Bulgarian automatic machines
  25. dDYHA
    dDYHA 18 October 2017 18: 07 New
    0
    The customer is always right!
  26. Jmbg
    Jmbg 20 October 2017 09: 20 New
    +1
    Quote: Romanenko
    Ours of course, to some extent, "turned on the fool," but that's right, it is time for the Indians to settle down, forever everyone wants to twist the beatsals. They know perfectly well what the 103rd looks like, and most likely they want to buy, but the main thing is to prescribe the terms of the tender for the Bulgarian illiquid asset in order to lower the price of Kalashnikov ...
    And figurines to you, dear partners, or rather expensive.
    Stop freaking out, you want a weapon, pay for AK 103, you want scrap metal, plizz to Bulgaria

    Plizz to Bulgaria if you want milled boxes. Plizz to Bulgaria if you want alloy steels. Plizz to Bulgaria if you do not want cheaper machines. Plizz to Bulgaria if you want the machine to serve 20 years in the hands of new recruits. The Indians knew exactly what they wanted.
  27. reminin
    reminin 20 October 2017 20: 46 New
    0
    Quote: Roma-1977
    As I understand it, Bulgarian weapons are cheaper.

    You do not understand correctly. Bulgarian weapons, on the contrary, are more expensive. Where do you find metal stores now? Antiques! And he was always expensive. Therefore, the amount of "rollback" will correspond to the price.