Americans bombed ... flies

The second time the war recalled itself in 1950. On the Korean Peninsula, large-scale hostilities unfolded between North Korea, China, supported by the Soviet Union, and the pro-American South Korean regime, which the United Nations led by the United States. At that time, Vladimir Sergeyevich served in the North Caucasus, was a mechanic of the latest for those times Soviet fighter MiG-15. He was offered to go on a business trip. The proposal itself was constructed in such a way that it did not imply a refusal. Yes, he did not think to refuse. We drove in an ordinary passenger train, dressed in civilian clothes. Brought to Transbaikalia, in Chita. Here they stayed a month. We studied the Chinese language. The captain still remembers him. They were also told about the customs and traditions of the Chinese and Koreans ...

After completing the training, the military unit was transferred to China. Often changed locations. In the border of Antoun, which stands on the banks of the Yalu River, a hydroelectric power station and a railway bridge were covered. Our planes flew with the identification marks of the Chinese Air Force, and the servicemen were dressed in Chinese military uniforms and stationed in the barracks of their army. The fact is that our military posed as Russians living in China. Then there were more than 600 thousand.

Despite powerful weapons, “flying fortresses” were effectively lost by our MiGs.

The daily routine was compressed like a spring. Often had to rest no more than two hours a day. True, they fed well.

Flights took place at any time of the day. Our planes were in the air 24 hours a day - constantly had to take off at the interceptions of the American "flying fortresses" and "Sabre". Sometimes MiGs returned to the base riddled with machine gun bursts. Had to undock the wings, parts of the fuselage. While the plane was being repaired, the pilot received a new fighter and again went into battle. True, aviators preferred to fly only on "their" aircraft. Each MiG had its own individual characteristics - its own “character”.

However, not everything was solved only by technology. Much depended on people. Vladimir Sergeevich notes that war especially mobilizes human capabilities. And he can give quite a few such examples ...

Americans often bombed Soviet airfields aviation. Before this, saboteurs and scouts usually landed, they were helped by agents recruited among the Chinese. They pointed to targets for bombing attacks. Vladimir Sergeyevich says that they practically did not have to live in the barracks. All the time in shelters at aircraft, at a depth of 5 meters.

The effectiveness of American strikes on airfields was low, as the American strategic bombers B-29 bombed from high altitudes using radar sights. Crews could not see whether the bombs hit the target, for fear of running into anti-aircraft guns. In addition, our aircraft did not leave such flights unpunished. Despite the powerful weapons, the “flying fortresses” were effectively lost by our MiGs. Sometimes after the attacks of the MiG-15 B-29 just collapsed in the air. As Kapitansky remembers, B-29 dumped containers with huge green flies. Hundreds of thousands of released beasts spread various infectious diseases.

Our pilots and technicians have done a lot to prepare the aircraft of North Korea and China. They relocated very often, so sometimes they didn’t even know where they were - in Korea or in China. From place to place flew vehicles on transport aircraft or traveling by truck. And here it came from the Americans - they bombed car columns, and American saboteurs were also disturbed. In this war, the concept of front and rear was relative.

With the signing of the armistice agreement, our specialists returned home. Nearly six and a half decades have passed since the end of the Korean War, but its soldiers still cannot forget about it. For a long time they were also depressed by the fact that everything was covered with the darkness of secrecy. And only in the middle of the 1990-ies "Koreans" were allowed to speak.

Comments

[parusnik]

Our planes flew with the identification marks of the Chinese Air Force, and the military were dressed in Chinese military uniforms and were stationed in the barracks of their army.

...
During interrogation, only I asked
Who is the ass that brought me down
And answered me dewy
What commanded the interrogation
our pilot, Wan-Yu-Shin, shot you down
Are you Koreans lying in vain?
I clearly heard in the headset
Kohl press and I'll cover
Vanya Bay, and I’ll cover
Russian ass Ivan knocked me out ...
I first heard in this version .. somewhere in the early 70's, then a different version about the Vietnamese appeared, we still argued about how to sing ...

[groks]

Come on. "My phantom, like a bunch of trash, in the jungle of South .... Korea?"

[Bask]

As far as I know, Soviet pilots flew with North Korean identification marks. Moreover, on the air they were allowed to negotiate only in the Korean language, for this Korean words with Russian transcription were copied and fixed on the tablet on the tablet. They knew who they were fighting with.

[Curious]

To the question, under what identification marks did they fly during the Korean War.

This is the identification mark of the DPRK Air Force. The photo shows the fuselage of the MiG-29 fighter, first shown to the North Korean people at the air show "Aviation Festival of Peoples' Friendship" in Wonsan last September. As you can see, even the inscriptions on the hatches in Russian.

[Curious]

This is the MiG 15 of the Soviet Air Force in Korea.

[Curious]

And this is the MiG 15 of the Chinese Air Force in Korea.
As you can see, all planes have identification marks of the DPRK Air Force. No one flew under the Chinese.

[Amurets]

Quote: Bask

As far as I know, Soviet pilots flew with North Korean identification marks. Moreover, on the air they were allowed to negotiate only in the Korean language, for this Korean words with Russian transcription were copied and fixed on the tablet on the leg.

The answers to so many questions are in the book of E.G. Pepelyaeva. MiG vs. Sabers.

[Bask]

Not only. For example, the book of Major General Kramarenko (in my opinion, 14 shot down precisely in the Korean War) - "Against Messers and Sabers" or Sayds - "Red Devils in the Sky of Korea."

[Bask]

I forgot, there is still an interesting book, Stalin's Falcons against Flying Fortresses. Chronicle of the air war in Korea 1950-1953, Yuri Tepsurkaev, Leonid Krylov. Seidov and Tepsurkaev worked together on the topic of the air war in Korea, but they diverged a little in their views and each of them went their own way. Therefore, it is interesting to read both books.

[Amurets]

Quote: Bask

I forgot, there is still an interesting book, Stalin's Falcons against Flying Fortresses. Chronicle of the air war in Korea 1950-1953, Yuri Tepsurkaev, Leonid Krylov. Seidov and Tepsurkaev worked together on the topic of the air war in Korea, but they diverged a little in their views and each of them went their own way. Therefore, it is interesting to read both books.

Yes. I agree. Interesting books. There is also: Abakumov "Unknown war. In the sky of North Korea." Kursk. 1997 The book was published after the death of the author. Gagin. "The air war in Korea."

[DimerVladimer]

Quote: Amurets

The answers to so many questions are in the book of E.G. Pepelyaeva. MiG vs. Sabers.

And what is interesting - Pepeliaev nowhere confirms the facts of the bombing of Chinese airfields by the Americans - 2 cases are known, most likely random ones.
So I wouldn’t trust the information about the flies very much, in the light of the eyewitness statement: “The Americans often bombed the airfields of Soviet aviation. Before that, saboteurs and scouts usually landed, they were helped by agents recruited among the Chinese. They pointed to targets for "bombing. Vladimir Sergeyevich says that they practically did not have to live in the barracks. All the time in the shelters of aircraft, at a depth of 5 meters."
Some kind of fake.
The phrase explains a lot - "... They were relocated very often, so sometimes they didn’t even know where they were - in Korea or China ..."
Assuming that the composition worked at Korean air bases.

[Amurets]

Quote: DimerVladimer

And what is interesting - Pepeliaev nowhere confirms the facts of the bombing of Chinese airfields by the Americans - 2 cases are known, most likely random ones.

Yes. In an article by Bodrikhin: "The Second War of Ivan Kozhedub," there is also a lot of interesting things about that war, but also, as much as is mentioned, this is a raid on a bridge on the border river Yalu.

Quote: DimerVladimer

So I would not really trust the information about the "flies", in the light of the statement of the "eyewitness":

Here there are facts of the use of BO in Korea: "How it was all done

According to the testimony of captured pilots, the following picture of the mechanism of the Korean bacteriological mechanism can be restored.

The preparation of pilots for bacteriological warfare began at the end of August 1951 at an aviation school based on the 3rd Bomber Regiment (B-26 aircraft) in Ivakuni (Japan) as part of the usual training for combat personnel. Lectures were secret, read by their plainclothes instructor. After the transfer of the 3rd bomber regiment to the Kunsan base (South Korea), such lectures were continued. Basically, they were devoted to the damaging properties of existing samples of BW and methods of conducting bacteriological warfare. The pilots were told about the use of BOs abstractly from the given theater of military operations and only in such an aspect that the enemy could do this, but along with lecturing they were vaccinated. Then they were simply confronted with the fact. At the end of December 1951, officers unfamiliar to him appeared on the base, who participated in the preparation of flight tasks and received reports on their implementation in the operational department of the squadron headquarters.

Bacteriological bombs bursting in the air, i.e., intended for explosive dispersion of bacteria and insects, were dropped from aircraft such as B-26, B-29, F-51, F-84, F-86. Parachute bombs that mechanically dispersed infected insects were usually dropped from B-26 and B-29 aircraft. The pilots did not check the suspension of such bombs, the sentries did not allow them to them. Bacteriological bombs were hung on the wings of bombers by people in respirators and gloves. "You can read the whole article here:
http://nkorea.narod.ru/fakti/bac.war.html

[Vlad.by]

Well, yes, with an overload of 6zh and the danger of hitting a lead pilot, Wan-Yu-Shin will frantically transfer to Korean Russian mat and the team leave.
The Americans, for example, seriously believed that one of the main advantages of the war with Japan was a shorter averaged management team. In English, the average team was 7 sounds, versus 11 in Japanese.

[Aviator_]

I read the memoirs of our instructors who trained fighters FRELIMO (Mozambique) in the middle of the 70's. So their biggest losses were not military, but because of non-compliance with basic hygiene. Therefore, the use of flies by Americans could well be dysentery - this is very dangerous.

[Amurets]

Quote: Aviator_

Therefore, the use of flies by the Americans could well be dysentery - this is very dangerous.

Yes. Is quite real. Moreover, all the work of detachments 100 and 731 on the development of biological and bacteriological weapons were exported from China to Japan and there fell into the hands of the Americans. All documentation is classified by the Americans.

[Hurricane70]

Quote: Aviator_

I read the memoirs of our instructors who trained fighters FRELIMO (Mozambique) in the middle of the 70's. So their biggest losses were not military, but because of non-compliance with basic hygiene. Therefore, the use of flies by Americans could well be dysentery - this is very dangerous.

It could well be, to say the least! The arrogant Saxons have no morality and some kind of universal human feelings, zombies with a dollar in their eyes! Examples of this are: infected blankets for the Indians, the useless destruction of Dresden, the vigorous bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, napalm in Vietnam, etc.
So, these ghouls will be!

[Ryabtsev Grigory Evgenievich]

As always, we went overboard with secrecy. How can I combine owls. secret (at that time) MiG-15 and Chinese pilots? I'm not talking about the fact that we limited the overload when maneuvering the strength of the glider, and the Chinese - the physical capabilities of the pilot. At one time instructors HVVAUL them. Gritsevtsa were shocked by Vietnamese cadets: they lost consciousness at 3g! And this is after a year of enhanced fattening!

[groks]

It was the same with the Arabs. It's not about the amount eaten, but the specific foods. You can’t stand the load on bananas, but you won’t be able to overload bread in the jungle. So in the 90s very vigorous Vietnamese came across, strong and hardy. Although evil tongues claimed that these are the consequences of the occupation by Europeans. But still, even if so, their metabolism was different, even the smell was different.

[NIKNN]

Quote: groks

It was the same with the Arabs.

Yes, it is not uncommon with the Russians. But the Vietnamese is really a masterpiece, in this regard, he taught ...

[Vlad.by]

Father told about the same thing. He year in 1968 commanded a radar company somewhere near Hanoi. Then until 1972 he taught at our school in the same place. After landing, the Vietnamese were manually pulled out of the cabins and they spent hours tracking the captain's parapet.

[Settlement Oparyshev]

It’s interesting, how do Chinese pilots keep the overload? There is no information about this

[Amurets]

Quote: pp to Oparyshev

It’s interesting, how do Chinese pilots keep the overload? There is no information about this

“As for the training of Chinese and Korean pilots, Ivan Nikitovich spoke of them like this:“ At first it was scary. They couldn’t keep their order. They quickly found the reason. The nutrition of Chinese pilots was very poor. What is it? A handful of rice, slices of carrots. But for three weeks they were fed - and things went smoothly. Although, compared with ours, they were much weaker. "
https://profilib.com/chtenie/143138/ivan-kozhedub
-vernost-otchizne-ischuschiy-boya-88.php
Or the same author of ZhZL. Kozhedub. https://www.litmir.me/bd/?b=185331

[Monarchist]

The author, thank you for the story, but let me express my opinion on the form of the story.
It would be appropriate to make an introduction somehow differently. Perhaps some subtitle should be added like: "Korean war through the eyes of an auto mechanic" or something like that. Personally, for illustration, I would look for a photograph showing the work of mechanics

[Curious]

You forgot that Saturday and Sunday on the site are days of youthful creativity.

[Some kind of compote]

B-29 dumped containers with huge green flies

Extremely interesting
I heard about the bombing of pig carcasses
In another war

[groks]

Rather, a local legend. Biological weapons are very difficult to control. Then they would have blurted out FOS.

[verner1967]

Quote: groks

Rather, a local legend. Biological weapons are very difficult to control.

No, not a legend, even at the NVP lessons the military instructor told us about this

[Some kind of compote]

On a religious holiday bombed.
In my opinion, the Jews of the Arabs in one of the Arab-Israeli wars.
So it’s more like a mockery than a biological weapon

[Glory1974]

He was offered to go on a business trip. The proposal itself was built in such a way that did not imply a refusal.

Why is this in the article? Immediately the eye sank. As if at gunpoint forced to go to war.

[pro100y.belarus]

No wonder. They also proposed to go to Afghanistan voluntarily. And you could refuse ... But ... You are a military man, and if the command chose you, you are needed there.

[Glory1974]

They also proposed to go to Afghanistan voluntarily. And you could refuse

Either they offer it voluntarily, or there is an order. These are different things.

[verner1967]

Quote: glory1974

Either they offer it voluntarily, or there is an order.

there is a third option, the so-called voluntary-compulsory. The term was born back in Soviet times. In a slightly altered form, another “offer that is impossible to refuse” is used, such sarcasm, damn it!

[Vlad.by]

My father was also invited to go to Vietnam. Mom, of course, was against it, but the question of refusal simply did not stand. "An order was given to him ..."

[iouris]

Very interesting: the "flies" were most likely Japanese know-how.

[DimerVladimer]

Americans often bombed the airfields of Soviet aircraft. Before this, saboteurs and scouts usually landed, they were helped by agents recruited among the Chinese.

Right often? Another fable.
What could have bombed in North Korea, where Soviet experts could have been present?
The military facilities in North Korea, which were serviced by specialists from the USSR, included: three aviation commandant's offices located in Pyongyang, Seishin and Kanko for maintenance of the Vladivostok - Port Arthur highway; The Heiji intelligence station, the VCh station of the Ministry of State Security in Pyongyang, the broadcasting station in Ranan and the communications company serving the communication lines with the USSR Embassy; Soviet medical institutions, a Korean language newspaper, a school for training national military personnel, and the Seisin Naval Base, which consisted of 54 warships and auxiliary vessels.
What American sources say about the attacks on North Korean airfields: "The very next day, June 28, four B-29s from the 19th group made a combat mission, bombing the railway line north of Seoul. On June 29, 9 B-29 by direct order MacArthur hit North Korean airfields."

Soviet MiG-15s were based in China - no US air raids were made on Chinese territory.
In addition to a few minor episodes, which can hardly be called "frequent".
- By a joint decision taken by the UN Security Council and US President Harry Truman, General Douglas MacArthur crossed the 38th parallel. The only restriction that was imposed on the actions of the Americans concerned the Air Force - it was a ban on actions in the north beyond the Yalujiang River (Amnonkan), i.e., over the territory of China.

General Lobov claims that the number of the 64th corps never reached the number of the 4th and 51st fighter air wings of the US Air Force ... At the peak of the events, the 64th fighter air corps included three fighter air divisions, none of which reached full-time staff. The divisions had two, not three, regiments each. In addition to divisions, the corps included a night fighter aviation regiment. Due to the fact that all 34 North Korean airfields were constantly under attack by American aircraft, it was not possible to use them for basing Soviet jet aircraft. Units of the 64th corps were located at three Manchu airfields: Andun, Manpo and, since 1952, Tapao.
Andong, Manpo and, since 1952, Tapao were not bombed.

So the statement about "Americans often bombed the airfields of Soviet aviation" is some kind of fake.

[DimerVladimer]

In the spring of 1952, B-29s continued to strike at bridges, dropping their cargo from a height of 1500–2500 m onto bridges up to 2,5 m wide. Despite difficult conditions, 143 hits were recorded only during May, when ten bridges were destroyed 66 spans (B-29s for sophisticated purposes used radio-controlled bombs). The neutralization of the airfields continued, and over 400 sorties were carried out against North Korean airfields south of the Yalu River. During the summer and fall of 1952, goals changed, and raids were carried out against bridges, supply centers, hydroelectric power plants, and factories.
By the end of spring 1953, emphasis was again placed on bridges and airfields. A 12-hour period should have elapsed between the signing of the ceasefire agreement and its entry into force; this could allow the "northerners" to move a large number of aircraft to ten major North Korean airfields.

The purpose of the US Bomber Command was to maintain these airfields inoperable, and until the very end of the war, B-29 raided them night after night. On the very last day of the war, B-29 raided Saamcham and Taechon airfields. On July 27, 1953, 7 hours before the ceasefire, on March 15.03, the RB-29 reconnaissance aircraft from the 91st SRG returned from flight. The crew report noted that all targets assigned by the Bomber Command were unfit for combat.

According to the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces, Soviet pilots of the 64th fighter air corps, who fought on the MiG-15, shot down 24 enemy aircraft from November 1950, 27 to July 1953, 1106. Another 212 aircraft were shot down by anti-aircraft artillery fire of the corps. The "northerners" captured 262 American pilots. Losses of the Soviet "volunteers" amounted to 335 aircraft and 120 pilots.
North Korean and Chinese pilots shot down 271 Southerners, losing 231 of their own.

It is necessary to disclose the causes of combat losses. Note that more than half of the 335 downed MiG-15 pilots safely left.

A large proportion of the losses incurred is on landing.
Airfields of the first line (Andun, Dapu, Myaogou) were located close to the sea, and it was forbidden to enter the MiG-15 from the sea side. This is where Sabers focused with a special task: to attack MiGs over the airfield. On the landing straight plane was with the landing gear and flaps extended, that is, he was not ready to repel the attack or evade it. The quality of equipment and the level of training of the pilot in this forced situation did not matter.

http://www.tinlib.ru/istorija/zasekrechennye_voin
y_1950_2000 / p3.php

[Named]

Quote: Curious

This is the MiG 15 of the Soviet Air Force in Korea.

Arkady Sergeyevich Boytsov, Major General of Aviation, Hero of the Soviet Union was the director of the Kuibyshev Code of Criminal Procedure for Aerospace Profile in the mid-80s. He was very stingy in the stories about why he got the Hero star: "... he defended Moscow's sky on the MiG-3, and in Korea shot down several American planes ..."