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How many factories in Russia did Putin build?

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For 17 years of the current government in Russia, not a single new factory was built. Such statements often come from politicians, especially on the eve of elections. In this release, let’s see if this is true.


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  1. Firework
    Firework 16 October 2017 10: 33
    14
    Putin has built factories more than fingers on one hand! and after that someone else dares to scold him?
    1. garx
      garx 16 October 2017 10: 54
      10
      They scold because they ordered to scold that they would simply gain political points
      1. DimerVladimer
        DimerVladimer 17 October 2017 10: 52
        11
        “The Uralets brand mini tractors are small-sized tractors of joint Russian-Chinese production” - and I see that these “Ural” Chinese mini tractors remind me of 1 to 1.
        That is, from the Urals - only a brand ...
        Everything else comes from China.

        Oh look - Uralets is a repainted Jinma-240!
        1. DimerVladimer
          DimerVladimer 17 October 2017 10: 55
          +3
          Quote: DimerVladimer
          Oh look - Uralets is a repainted Jinma-240!


          What a coincidence ....
          1. Lycan
            Lycan 17 October 2017 21: 11
            +2
            This is a setup!
            http://traktorbook.com/minitraktor-uralec-220/

            And generally drives into a stupor this attitude towards the client:
            https://fermer.ru/forum/kitayskie-minitraktora-mi
            nitehnika-i-selskohozyaystvennaya-tehnika-dlya-li
            chnogo-podvorya-selskohozyaystvennaya-tehnika / 239
            786
          2. coach colch
            coach colch 19 October 2017 20: 54
            +8
            Quote: DimerVladimer
            What a coincidence ....

            And where did you see these coincidences ???
            Show at least one ...
            Just do not say that the bolts and nuts are the same ...!
            1. Slavik rusin
              Slavik rusin 24 October 2017 01: 20
              +1
              The nonsense roller is golem.
              So in Pyatigorsk in the late 80s, domestic-made fiberglass cables were laid. Rosselmash today produces nothing. All production in China and Belarus. In Rostov, they get their logos and put them on finished cars.
        2. Zveruga
          Zveruga 22 October 2017 18: 44
          +2
          And the assembly is also delivered from China?

          By the way, tractors are not alike. The details are different.
        3. NordUral
          NordUral 4 May 2018 22: 33
          +1
          A screwdriver assembly will finally kill our industry.
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 4 May 2018 22: 37
            +2
            Quote: NordUral
            A screwdriver assembly will finally kill our industry

            Revived the Chinese, but will kill ours?
            Are we worse than the Chinese, in your opinion? Than?
            1. NordUral
              NordUral 6 May 2018 16: 17
              +1
              The Chinese have everything in reasonable proportion. And a screwdriver and a full cycle, and now its own development. And they came to the present practically from scratch, and here the screwdriver assembly is in favor. And we have gone from high-tech processes to screwdriver assembly.

              And as for the one who is worse or better, all nations are talented and hardworking.
              Our misfortunes are not from the people, but from that gang that has settled in power and sucks the country's juices.
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 6 May 2018 16: 26
                0
                Quote: NordUral
                we have gone from high-tech processes to screwdriver assembly

                At when we had a high-tech auto industry? Lada (Fiat 60s)? Bucket with nuts, I'm sorry, Goss ...

                Quote: NordUral
                And a screwdriver and a full cycle, and now its own development

                Duc the same way now and we go ... the words "percentage of localization" familiar to you? If not, look on the Internet, "there are a lot of them."
                The increase in this percentage itself is the gradual "domestication" of the borrowed, ahem, from the outside.
                All exactly the same as the Chinese.
                Quote: NordUral
                Our troubles are not from the people, but from that gang that has settled in power and sucks the country's juices

                What is "ours" - not in the know. Yours are in your head. Mine - You do not concern.
                Somehow request
      2. NordUral
        NordUral 4 May 2018 22: 32
        0
        Did you think hard by writing this? Who is gaining points on VO? You just have to face the truth, and not stare at the cartoons.
    2. andy.v.lee
      andy.v.lee 16 October 2017 12: 07
      29
      Personally? And how much is destroyed from the USSR? And by the way, built for whom? Who is the main beneficiary?
      1. Vend
        Vend 16 October 2017 12: 52
        13
        Quote: andy.v.lee
        Personally? And how much is destroyed from the USSR? And by the way, built for whom? Who is the main beneficiary?

        With modern technology, it is cheaper to build a new plant. than reconstruct the old one.
        1. andy.v.lee
          andy.v.lee 16 October 2017 13: 22
          26
          Which one? Volgograd tractor, for example? Or?
          Or my "native" Dalzavod, from which zilch remained? And what kind of "Savory" technologies in mechanical engineering are we talking about? If the turner for today is a TURNER, not a student!
          1. Vend
            Vend 16 October 2017 13: 30
            +8
            Quote: andy.v.lee
            Which one? Volgograd tractor, for example? Or?
            Or my "native" Dalzavod, from which zilch remained? And what kind of "Savory" technologies in mechanical engineering are we talking about? If the turner for today is a TURNER, not a student!

            Any.
            1. andy.v.lee
              andy.v.lee 16 October 2017 13: 49
              16
              This is not an answer! I am not a politician, but a practitioner. To Navalny, Disastrous, Putin, Tyatin oh oh how far!
              1. Vend
                Vend 16 October 2017 14: 35
                15
                Quote: andy.v.lee
                This is not an answer! I am not a politician, but a practitioner. To Navalny, Disastrous, Putin, Tyatin oh oh how far!

                But politics has nothing to do with it. It is not economically viable. It is not profitable to rebuild brick workshops with 1938 equipment of the year for modern equipment and production standards. Build cheaper and easier.
                1. andy.v.lee
                  andy.v.lee 16 October 2017 15: 31
                  18
                  First, build cheaper and easier for anyone? Again, the Beneficiary who?
                  Second, kick out 1000 workers and hire 10 - who will feed 990? Death? She is! Putin - Viva! Well, first EBN!
                  Dear Wend, you have described the "sparks from under the tires" of capitalism. Farther? What is the trajectory?
                  1. Vend
                    Vend 16 October 2017 15: 59
                    17
                    Quote: andy.v.lee
                    First, build cheaper and easier for anyone? Again, the Beneficiary who?
                    Second, kick out 1000 workers and hire 10 - who will feed 990? Death? She is! Putin - Viva! Well, first EBN!
                    Dear Wend, you have described the "sparks from under the tires" of capitalism. Farther? What is the trajectory?

                    I described the reality. I do not die in the past Russia until the 1917 year and in the USSR. The fact that you indicated this is already from the category of maral. We did not touch on this aspect. Yes, you're right, leaving people without a livelihood is bad. But what is better than a backward economy and job preservation? Or modern production and an advanced country? Everyone chooses the answer convenient for him to these questions. And those who can buy or build a factory or factory make this choice. And not us.
                    1. andy.v.lee
                      andy.v.lee 16 October 2017 16: 08
                      19
                      Plus for a true answer!
                      As for modern production and an advanced country - stop graces, the answer is important one - NOT for yourself, but for everyone! I do not care about the Kremlin, it matters to me how Granny N lives in the Sralniki village!
                      Oh yes! Advanced country! Tell the Chinese!
                      1. Vend
                        Vend 16 October 2017 16: 50
                        +9
                        Quote: andy.v.lee
                        Plus for a true answer!
                        As for modern production and an advanced country - stop graces, the answer is important one - NOT for yourself, but for everyone! I do not care about the Kremlin, it matters to me how Granny N lives in the Sralniki village!
                        Oh yes! Advanced country! Tell the Chinese!

                        It is true that advanced production (new plants) provides jobs, so the principle is NOT for oneself, but for everyone! observed. China has a lot of problems. And if you are interested in how Granny N lives in the village of Sralniki. then a reasonable question arises, what are you doing to make her life better. For example, what the current government has done. Salaries and pensions are paid, pensions are indexed. If a pensioner has award certificates and so on for good work in the Soviet era, then thanks to this you can get a discount from 25-50% on utility bills and so on.
                        And by the way, who ruined and plundered the country in 90's? Those who were in power.
                    2. DimerVladimer
                      DimerVladimer 18 October 2017 10: 32
                      +6
                      Quote: Wend
                      Or modern production and an advanced country? Everyone chooses the answer convenient for him to these questions. And those who can buy or build a factory or factory make this choice. And not us.


                      An advanced country, without advanced science does not exist.
                      And with the scientific papers that are presented at world scientific symposia - it's really bad.
                      Scientists who have left Russia work wonderfully abroad, why can't the mind organize decent conditions at home?
                  2. aybolyt678
                    aybolyt678 17 October 2017 19: 40
                    +3
                    Quote: andy.v.lee
                    First, build cheaper and easier for anyone? Again, the Beneficiary who?
                    Secondly, to expel 1000 workers and hire 10 - who will feed 990?

                    can feed their 10 better than 100 Chinese ?? and by 10 workers, 10 engineers and 10 programmers and 50 security guards, 5 accountants. ?? and 50 more scouts! secrets of production
                  3. nikon7717
                    nikon7717 23 October 2017 16: 49
                    +3
                    Respected! Yes, we must keep up to date. When a young specialist (28-35 years old) working on a CNC machine replaces several old workers on old equipment, receiving parts with minimal defect and better tolerances!
                    Who does not want to relearn is their choice. I have an example when they recently closed an old plant with low productivity and invited metallurgists to a new city in a new plant. What do you think a lot went? And remember industrialization. We were in the next scrapping of eras, a new technological revolution. Who did not accept her was gone ...
                    1. Slavik rusin
                      Slavik rusin 24 October 2017 01: 05
                      +6
                      You around humos - a humanist who is trying to talk about production according to GDP.
                      I am a manufacturing engineer. In the late 80s or if you want in the early 90s, there were more CNC machines in Russia than in any other country in the world. I’ll even say for the price. Our machine cost 40 thousand, and the western 80 thousand. Moreover, for example, the lathe had all the necessary quality components relevant today, from productivity to control wear of the cutter. Entering information from manual to automatic or from which media thread. Could easily be equipped with devices for robotic feeding of blanks and removal of finished products. By the way, similar CNCs worked for us in the early 80s.
                2. Nagaibak
                  Nagaibak 16 October 2017 19: 09
                  10
                  Wend "Build cheaper and easier."
                  And what did someone build something?))) Let's talk about mechanical engineering?)))
                  1. Vadim237
                    Vadim237 16 October 2017 23: 56
                    +9
                    Built - "On October 13, Vologda launched a production specializing in the production of import-substituting high-precision and low noise bearings of the Vologda Special Bearings Plant LLC.

                    Construction of the facility began in 2014. The total project cost amounted to 2,7 billion rubles. The Industrial Development Fund on concessional terms provided the company with a loan of 500 million rubles. This is already 31 new production, opened with the financial support of the FRP.

                    The plant has the latest equipment. When reaching the planned capacity, 249 thousand bearings intended for aircraft, shipbuilding, machine tool building and nuclear energy will be produced here annually. The factory created 250 new jobs.

                    The new Vologda enterprise will make it possible to replenish the technology for manufacturing high-precision and low-noise bearings lost in the post-Soviet period and reduce the share of imports in this area by seven percent. "
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 17 October 2017 00: 05
                      +8
                      Quote: Vadim237
                      and reduce the share of imports in this area by seven percent "

                      Those. at least 12 such plants need to be independent of imports. sad
                      1. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 17 October 2017 00: 33
                        +3
                        No, now we have 47% import on bearings.
                      2. turbris
                        turbris 19 October 2017 16: 04
                        +2
                        In general, is Mordvin anyway bad? I understand your attitude, and why 12 factories, not 50, did you conduct analysis or marketing in a modern way? Or just talk in tongue?
                    2. Nagaibak
                      Nagaibak 17 October 2017 19: 26
                      +1
                      For our country, this is practically zero. Built a factory.
                    3. DimerVladimer
                      DimerVladimer 18 October 2017 10: 35
                      +2
                      Quote: Vadim237
                      The new Vologda enterprise will make it possible to replenish the technology for manufacturing high-precision and low-noise bearings lost in the post-Soviet period and reduce the share of imports in this area by seven percent. "



                      If Vologda bearings are more expensive than Japanese, I won’t buy them all the same - even Chinese bearings go better than domestic ones - we will look at the price and range.
                      1. NordUral
                        NordUral 6 May 2018 16: 23
                        -1
                        Yes, when the Soviet were still in illiquid assets, I bought them, then I switched to China,
                    4. Alikos
                      Alikos 18 October 2017 16: 29
                      +9
                      Quote: Vadim237
                      Built - "On October 13, Vologda launched a production specializing in the production of import-substituting high-precision and low noise bearings of the Vologda Special Bearings Plant LLC.

                      Construction of the facility began in 2014. The total project cost amounted to 2,7 billion rubles. The Industrial Development Fund on concessional terms provided the company with a loan of 500 million rubles. This is already 31 new production, opened with the financial support of the FRP.

                      The plant has the latest equipment. When reaching the planned capacity, 249 thousand bearings intended for aircraft, shipbuilding, machine tool building and nuclear energy will be produced here annually. The factory created 250 new jobs.

                      The new Vologda enterprise will make it possible to replenish the technology for manufacturing high-precision and low-noise bearings lost in the post-Soviet period and reduce the share of imports in this area by seven percent. "

                      Shame !!
                      250 jobs!
                      300 thousand bearings a year to our country, it’s not even a drop in the ocean
                      This is generally NOTHING!
                      HOW MUCH in the days of the USSR was there bearing plants?
                      Fucking quality, some of the best in the world. Tens of thousands of jobs!
                      All destroyed vile ... ki! And now a cool factory with 250 jobs, this is a scribe to everything
                      1. turbris
                        turbris 19 October 2017 16: 07
                        +8
                        Well, it’s just that the whole team is working under the slogan “everything is bad”, you would at least somehow disguise yourself or something, very noticeably, it remains only to understand who is leading this process!
                      2. Tartary
                        Tartary 6 October 2018 14: 45
                        0
                        Well, it’s just that the whole team is working under the slogan “everything is bad”, you would at least somehow disguise yourself or something, very noticeably, it remains only to understand who is leading this process!
                        I know who is in charge, because for a long time already here I try to tryndet less so that some generals and "marshals" do not create pretexts to send me to the ban. Cloaca - it always looks the same ..))
                    5. Ivan Sidorovsky
                      Ivan Sidorovsky 21 October 2017 09: 41
                      +4
                      "" ... Disgrace !! ... ""
                      1. Well, of course, 100 people should make one bearing per year .... very progressively.
                      2. 300 thousand bearings .... it is necessary to look what kind of bearings, and it says there, far not wheel and not for coolers, but for ships and planes.
                      3. Well, then of course you would do what you need.
                      4. Forget the USSR, there the tolerances are not the same at the GPZ, or rather, what remains after the perestroika.
                  2. sunzhenets
                    sunzhenets 4 September 2018 10: 42
                    0
                    [quote = Vadim237
                    The plant has the latest equipment. When reaching the planned capacity, 249 thousand bearings intended for aircraft, shipbuilding, machine tool building and nuclear energy will be produced here annually. The factory created 250 new jobs.
                    [/ Quote]
                    249 thousand bearings? 250 jobs? The industrial giant, what can it be ... In 1988, 800 million units were produced in the RSFSR. bearings.
                3. Vend
                  Vend 17 October 2017 09: 03
                  +1
                  Quote: Nagaibak
                  Wend "Build cheaper and easier."
                  And what did someone build something?))) Let's talk about mechanical engineering?)))

                  What do you mean by mechanical engineering7
                  1. Nagaibak
                    Nagaibak 17 October 2017 19: 13
                    0
                    Wend "What do you mean by mechanical engineering7"
                    I mean everything.
                    1. Nagaibak
                      Nagaibak 17 October 2017 19: 27
                      +4
                      You can narrow the topic to machine tool construction.))) You will have something to tell me?)))
              2. mig.vlad2015
                mig.vlad2015 17 October 2017 11: 49
                +4
                And what to build when grandmothers were transferred to the United States for the purchase of securities, you know the habit, put at interest, even meager, and you can lie and not to blow.
                1. Slavik rusin
                  Slavik rusin 24 October 2017 00: 52
                  0
                  Why not blow a mustache? For putting a rollback put up to 3% of the amount "put". This is set in the West as the margin of an individual - the guarantor of the transaction, between the bank of the Russian Federation and foreign.
              3. aldidbel
                aldidbel 19 October 2017 17: 07
                +4
                More like a chatter. Since the time of the first Soviet five-year plans, factories have not been built (and will not be built) so quickly.
                In addition, microelectronics factories are not visible (i.e. there is no clear policy of forcing the elimination of the backlog in this area and / or revolutionary advances in other related fields, for example, the creation of quantum computers, supercomputers and artificial intelligence based on them with neural networks.).
                There are many controversial issues regarding the construction projects of the century. One of them is the bridge to nowhere (Fr. Russky, I have nothing against Zolotoy - he did expand the transport infrastructure of Vladivostok), not only one plant could be built with the money spent, but and master some new production. We (Putin and Co.) actually buried our automobile car industry, giving it over to the globalists. Money during the crisis is allocated to banks and new owners who have gone wild, and not to poor pensioners or state employees who would generate real demand and not speculation.
              4. mih_sergeev92
                mih_sergeev92 30 December 2017 19: 18
                +1
                You do not see beyond your monitor. A concrete plant was closed near my house - they sold land for the construction of a residential complex. the plant was demolished and that was the end of the money. There is a wasteland with piles of garbage. Who benefits from this ?. Nevertheless, we are losing our industrial potential precisely because our factories are being closed and not being reconstructed, just because pockets are stuffed so tight. And any sane person understands that it is easier and cheaper to demolish a plant and build an LCD than to reconstruct a plant. But there is a choice between easy and right ... And here the essence of man is manifested.
          2. Primorec
            Primorec 20 October 2017 04: 51
            0
            The dalzavod actually works
        2. coach colch
          coach colch 19 October 2017 20: 57
          +1
          Quote: Wend
          cheaper to build a new factory. than reconstruct the old one.

          Quote: andy.v.lee
          Or my "native" Dalzavod

          And about the "Star" ... NOT, NOT HEAR,
          1. andy.v.lee
            andy.v.lee 22 October 2017 19: 27
            +1
            And repair of submarines, ships, where will it be? There? The main order of this enterprise is the oil and gas sector, for now, and no more. How many jobs, salary conditions? Thousand 100 a month to eat? When the second half will receive in those places thousand 20 as much as possible (if he still finds work). The average basket of food alone in Primorye per family is about 15 thousand rubles a month (and this even without a simple, unpretentious picnic once a month, for example), another 6-12 thousand will go to a fucking housing and communal services.
            Can you name the level of salaries on the "Star"? Or should people work for Dos (w) Iraq?
            1. coach colch
              coach colch 22 October 2017 21: 31
              0
              Quote: andy.v.lee
              And repair of submarines, ships, where will it be? There?

              At the expense of repair, I do not know .., but the fact that he will release new ships or ships, then for sure!
              I won’t tell you about the salary, I don’t know! But the fact that they built the infrastructure (kindergartens, hospitals, housing) is built and is being built ... but here we will see how it will develop further ...
      2. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 16 October 2017 16: 30
        35
        Quote: andy.v.lee
        Which one? Volgograd tractor, for example? Or?
        Or my "native" Dalzavod, from which zilch remained?

        HC DALZAVOD OJSC (VLADIVOSTOK) (1895 – 2009)
        The largest ship repair company in the Far East, has three dry docks with an area of ​​more than 7 thousand square meters. meters each. Strategically important facility.
        In late 2009, completely ceased operations.
        1165 employees were laid off and joined the ranks of the unemployed in Vladivostok.
        Effective Putinism Management - More than 35 closed factories since 000. Z2005 thousand is not counting small factories and enterprises. Think about this figure, which indicates that the country has lost 5 plants every day since 9,6. Yes, no Hitler could destroy our industry with such intensity as Putin could do over the past 2005 years ...
        Closed 15600 clubs, 4300 libraries, 22000 kindergartens, 14000 schools.
        Degradation and extinction. 20 thousand villages disappeared, 47 thousand villages remained, in many of which a few old people living in poverty live their lives.
        Russia has become the world "leader" in the number of poor and impoverished citizens. Today, in terms of living standards, our country has rolled back to 91st place in the world.
        According to the size of GDP per capita, Russia was placed below Lithuania, Equatorial Guinea and Kazakhstan. The proportion of the population living below the poverty line in Russia is higher than in India, Indonesia and Sri Lanka.
        The global competition index placed Russia in 67th place.
        The UN Human Development Index ranks 66th.
        According to the data of Rosstat
        PRODUCTIVE WORK IN THE COUNTRY REALLY SOMEONE!
        67 million - pensioners - they worked their own;
        1 - the army;
        2 160 000 - employees of the FSO FSB and special forces;
        2 - employees of the Ministry of Emergencies, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Federal Penitentiary Service and the Prosecutor's Office;
        1 -Customs and Tax Inspectorate;
        1 321 000 - officials of licensing and controlling organizations;
        1 252 000 - other officials;
        1 - clerks of social and insurance funds;
        1 827 000 - deputies and their staff;
        1 843 000 - notaries and advocates;
        1 098 000 - fighters of private security companies;
        8 420 000 - registered unemployed.
        -----------------------------—
        TOTAL 92 175 000 people (without children and housewives)
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 16 October 2017 21: 52
          +1
          We have a third of pensioners working.
          1. Grafova Irina
            Grafova Irina 19 October 2017 13: 35
            +6
            Not always from a good life, alas
          2. shoemaker
            shoemaker 19 October 2017 20: 14
            +2
            for the pension that they counted, most pensioners can not live.
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 16 October 2017 22: 03
          +4
          There are 500000 factories operating in Russia, so 35000 closed ones is not an indicator at all, especially since most of them have already been reopened - only in other areas. "Russia has become the world" leader "in the number of poor and impoverished citizens." The leaders in poverty - China there are 400 million beggars - a third of the population, in Russia only a seventh, and even then exactly how many beggars we have 21 million no one knows.
          1. Sharansky
            Sharansky 16 October 2017 22: 44
            20
            Quote: Vadim237
            In Russia, 500000 factories operating

            go nuts, this is the factory for every 300 people, including old women and infants. What a beauty! Lyapota!
            Where only 22 million official beggars came from is unclear.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 17 October 2017 00: 03
              +5
              Beggars - the contingent is rather mixed, these 22 million include people whose earnings are officially lower than the subsistence level, but not officially - it is not known, these families include large families, people with disabilities, and further: loafers, alcoholics, drug addicts, people with a criminal past and those who sits - they are probably also attributed to the poor.
              1. Sharansky
                Sharansky 17 October 2017 00: 22
                19
                How interesting you a priori equated large families and disabled people with drunks and drug addicts. You can immediately see the true patriot of his country.
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 17 October 2017 00: 41
                  +3
                  All of them are beggars - some of them work, some are idle, all have lower incomes, but the statistics of 22 million are based on official incomes - we will never know exactly how much they actually earn, because it’s no secret that employers underestimate official salary to pay less taxes.
                  1. Sling cutter
                    Sling cutter 17 October 2017 00: 58
                    +8
                    Quote: Vadim237
                    on official incomes - we will never know exactly how much they actually earn, because the same is not a secret that employers underestimate the official salary in order to pay less taxes.

                    the rossat gives only a small fraction of those who are in fact beggars.
                    And about payments in envelopes, so this is for you! yes
                    1. Vadim237
                      Vadim237 17 October 2017 09: 27
                      +2
                      I am officially crying - I am not cheating, because why not.
            2. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 17 October 2017 00: 34
              +4
              Quote: Sharansky
              Quote: Vadim237
              In Russia, 500000 factories operating
              go nuts, this is the factory for every 300 people, including old women and infants. What a beauty! Lyapota!

              Probably somewhere, at Vadim, a couple of extra zeros popped up. laughing
              Quote: Vadim237
              those who are sitting - they are probably also attributed to the poor.

              Feed, water, dress, a roof over your head. But interestingly, in the USA they are also considered poor? There are many of them then. yes
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 17 October 2017 01: 09
                +4
                Even 30 people can work at a plant - automation, this plant will produce as many products as a factory with 300 employees produces a similar product without automation. Prisoners can safely be equated with the category of "beggars" since they are under "state guardianship" - with the subsequent release into the street. And in the USA there are probably 60 million beggars and poor - in 2010 there were 48 of them. In Russia in 2000 there were 42 million beggars in 2017 - 21,1 million - there were half of them and I must say that Russia is far from the “Z” with beggars.
                1. aybolyt678
                  aybolyt678 17 October 2017 19: 47
                  +4
                  Baltic beer is produced by 27 people throughout the country. and several thousand sales managers. Also plants for the dilution of American concentrate.
                  1. vodkinmotors1
                    vodkinmotors1 22 October 2017 01: 32
                    0
                    27? I did not know that even the loaders at Baltika are called managers.
          2. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 17 October 2017 00: 18
            +3
            Quote: Vadim237
            The leaders in poverty - China there are 400 million beggars - a third of the population, in Russia only a seventh, and even then exactly how many beggars we have 21 million no one knows.

            Ms smart, business shift, press the keys to make the proportion!
            Where did you come from?
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          3. yehat
            yehat 18 October 2017 15: 59
            +1
            the leaders are not China, but India.
            In China, there are entire impoverished regions - mainly in desert areas north of the coast and without water, but in India, where climate and nature are much better, the situation of the population is worse.
          4. Alikos
            Alikos 18 October 2017 16: 41
            +5
            Quote: Vadim237
            There are 500000 factories in Russia, so

            "List them by name ..." and if in addition to jokes, then arrogant nonsense!
            And such 237th vadim, which businessmen, cracking with fat, will whistle like Trotsky.
            If for Muscovites, Leningraders they kept production, well, in another 5% of the regions, then in the vast majority of Russian settlements industry was destroyed
          5. ruff
            ruff 20 October 2017 18: 44
            +1
            This is a comrade - the gentleman has confused the number of legal entities with the number of plants probably. Or from the bulldozer blurted out. Even if you count all the sharagi such as car services and repair of umbrellas and bags, the figure is unrealistic. 54000 industrial enterprises for 2011 in the Russian Federation, with the number of employees from 200 and above, if memory serves ...
          6. Zug
            Zug 25 October 2017 18: 59
            +1
            It’s opened somewhere in Karelia, the ship-repair factory started working and then they demolished a closed-type residential complex right now in the floodplain of the city center in the floodplain of the MO-all-Onega tractor !!! - Only for whites! -And ... empty fields ... we can somewhere open but did not see, heard, but never saw ...
        3. Vladimir Sh
          Vladimir Sh 16 October 2017 22: 43
          +8
          The industrial production index in Russia has doubled since 2. so if where and what closed, then a dozen new ones opened.
          the twofold growth of industry under Putin is a wonderful success of our country under normal leadership which makes all brown rubbish writhe and lie in the comments)
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            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 17 October 2017 00: 29
              +4
              In agriculture, as an example, growth from year to year is excellent, some people like to compare the performance of Russia and the USSR, only the USSR is the performance of all 15 current states combined.
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 17 October 2017 00: 51
                +6
                Quote: Vadim237
                some like to compare the performance of Russia and the USSR

                I don’t know how some are, but I have always compared it to the RSFSR.
                Quote: Vadim237
                No, now we have 47% import on bearings.

                Quote: Vadim237
                reduce the share of imports in this area by seven percent "

                No, is my roof going? What kind of math is this? Everything, I went to sleep.
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 17 October 2017 01: 14
                  +1
                  We manufacture 53% and 47% of imports, with this import plant there will be 40% when the new production reaches full capacity - what is not clear?
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 17 October 2017 03: 19
                    +3
                    Quote: Vadim237
                    53% we manufacture and 47% imports,

                    So we are dancing purely from imports. Those. those 47% automatically turn into 100%. Our 53% does not count here. What am I wrong about?
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            3. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 17 October 2017 19: 50
              +4
              Quote: Stroporez
              Give the growth parameters, not just percentages of percentages, but quantitative indicators! Surprise the people, the troll! angry

              I’m an entrepreneur in agriculture, in 2009 I received 250 thousand money under the project Development of the agro-industrial complex. Counted, they have already given me 5 million.
              1. aldidbel
                aldidbel 19 October 2017 17: 22
                0
                "The cuckoo praises the cock for praising the cuckoo" ....
                Hence the money that a mere mortal cannot receive.
                We don’t have a mortgage for everyone. At the same time, people are being fooled by a low rate. Real wages are falling and no drop in mortgage rates can win back this. And if you take the price increase (not the unfounded 4% of Rosstat, but real), then the mortgage becomes a yoke.
          2. Nagaibak
            Nagaibak 17 October 2017 19: 36
            14
            I will illustrate the growth of industrial production on the example of tractors.Tractor production in Russia:
            2000 - 19,2 thousand units [22]
            2001 - 14,2 thousand units [23]
            2002 - 9,2 thousand units [24]
            2003 - 8,0 thousand units [25]
            2013 - 9767 units [26]
            2014 - 7734 pieces [27]
            This is how we produce it. Everything else is about the same. At least on bearings, at least on civilian aircraft. You can of course say why so many tractors were produced by the RSFSR. Note this is the same Russia without union republics. Belarus now produces about 56000 thousand tractors per year.))) You can continue to assume that we are ahead of the rest and say that so many tractors are not needed and there is nobody to sell them.))).))) They got up off their knees.)))) Guys, maybe we got up from our knees))) but we still stand with cancer.
            1. Botanologist
              Botanologist 17 October 2017 23: 40
              +1
              Could you tell me in more detail - to whom Belarus is selling a tractor? And then we are asking for billions in debt, but it turns out - an industrial monster!
              1. Nagaibak
                Nagaibak 18 October 2017 18: 47
                0
                Botanologist "But can you tell me in more detail - to whom Belarus is selling a tractor? And then it asks us for billions in debt, but it turns out to be an industrial monster!"
                A little about the export of Belarus. And tractor data for 2016. Look for more recent data yourself, I think the fig has not changed.
                The export of goods from Belarus in 2016 amounted to $ 23,4 billion. [1]
                The most important positions in Belarusian export of goods include oil products and oil, potash and nitrogen fertilizers, metal products, trucks, tractors, chemical fibers and threads, tires, dairy and meat products, sugar. [2]
                In the export of services, more than 55% of their total volume is occupied by transport services, which is due to the advantageous geographical position of Belarus. The main export items also include computer and construction services. The main trade partners of Belarus in the service sector are the EU (about half of the volume of exports) and Russia (a quarter of exports).
                deliveries to the CIS markets are lower than last year by 24,7% in physical terms and by 20,4% in monetary terms. The best dynamics in Ukraine. Almost as many tractors have already been delivered to this country as in Russia - 2133 units worth 28,9 million US dollars. Compared to last year, exports grew four times. At the same time, only in March 1000 tractors set off in the Ukrainian direction.

                At the same time, according to ASM Holding's operational data, there is good demand in Belarus for locally assembled Belarusian tractors. TD MTZ-ELAZ, BMZ and ChLMZ increased the assembly of MTZ tractors in April by 65%. According to the results of the first quarter, the share of MTZ in the structure of tractor production in the Russian Federation was 36,8%. Since the beginning of the year, 2,4 thousand tractors of various brands have been produced in Russia, which is 7% more than last year.

                Deliveries outside the CIS also lag behind last year's figures. It decreased by 11,2% in physical terms to 1 vehicles, and in money - by 739% to $ 6,7 million. At the same time, deliveries to the EU countries increased by 23,4 and 58,1%, respectively, to 43,9 vehicles by 803 million dollars. Among the EU countries, Lithuania buys the most tractors, which cost 12,57 cars for $ 286 million (+4,4 and + 60,7%, respectively), Hungary - 53,9 tractors for 210 million (3,3 and 2,5 , 2,3 times more) and Romania - 165 cars for $ 2,9 million (+ 39,8% and + 42,8%). During March, Belarusian tractor builders almost doubled supplies to the EU. According to the results of two months, 415 cars worth $ 6,6 million were exported to the European Union.

                Outside Europe, the largest buyers of Belarusian tractors were Pakistan (438 cars for $ 3,9 million, which is two times less than in 2015) and Afghanistan - 137 cars for 1,7 million, which is more than 2 times last year's performance.
                1. Botanologist
                  Botanologist 23 October 2017 22: 02
                  +1
                  You have the previous post - Belarus produces 56 thousand tractors per year. About export - about 5 thousand. I correctly understood that Belarus annually produces FOR INTERNAL NEEDS !!! 50 thousand tractors?
                  Well, cool. What is Belarus doing half a million tractors that have been produced in 10 years?
              2. maylik
                maylik 21 October 2017 18: 35
                +1
                Well, to me, for example. I bought them Belarus 132-N, I’m very satisfied, they have huge experience, ours wouldn’t buy this kind, because I have not forgotten how to think, because I was born in the USSR.
            2. Arikkhab
              Arikkhab 18 October 2017 08: 09
              +1
              Volumes of production are one side of the coin ... The other side is demand / consumption
            3. DimerVladimer
              DimerVladimer 18 October 2017 11: 11
              +5
              Quote: Nagaibak
              This is how we produce it. Everything else is about the same. At least on bearings, at least on civilian aircraft. You can of course say why so many tractors were produced by the RSFSR. Note this is the same Russia without union republics. Belarus now produces about 56000 thousand tractors per year.)))


              I have been sitting tightly in the topic of tractors for 17 years.
              The tractor is different, for example, 56000 tractors in Belarus - the overwhelming majority of MTZ-80/82 is a relatively inexpensive agricultural tractor that makes a variety of attachments (excavators, forklifts, etc.)
              An industrial tractor of type B10 costs four times more - and the Cheboksary T-35 costs as much as 10-15 MTZ, therefore it is not worth comparing correctly, but in terms of value.

              I’ll tell you why our tractor industry is blown away.
              The reason for this is not import, which deprives CTZ and Promtractor, from the filing of which anti-dumping duties on Chinese tractors were introduced (by the way, this is to the question "China is our friend" - anti-dumping duties for an ally partner? Do not tell ...) part of the market.
              These are outdated production technologies and archaic designs (especially in relation to ChTZ B-10 - the next incarnation of T-130, T-170 at the heart of the design is the degraded caterpillar of the 60s).

              Why do better and invest in production, if protective duties can be introduced - the domestic producer immediately lifted up prices for his products without raising the quality at all - is it better for the consumer? Yes, not at all.

              The second point - the government introduced a "recycling" collection from ATV trailers, combine harvesters bulldozers, pipe layers - from all imported and produced in the country - now, in addition to 18% VAT on sales and 20% income tax, the buyer pays another from 1050000 rubles to 4 million rubles and above for "disposal", which has not the slightest relation to disposal.
              Now, in order to receive a passport of a self-propelled vehicle (PSM) for a B-10 type bulldozer, the plant must redeem it from the state for 1 rubles! That is 050-000% of the sale value of the bulldozer! This is not profit in addition to VAT and tax!
              Yes, they are not fucked up in the government at all? !!!

              The state of nichrome does not give the manufacturer - it will receive more from the tractor than the manufacturer, which also carries an annual guarantee - is that fair?

              True, the law provides for the return of the utilization fee - but even Kamaz sued for this fee and could not return anything.
              The state has "killed" engineering over the past 2 years!
              1. Alikos
                Alikos 18 October 2017 16: 55
                +8
                Quote: DimerVladimer
                The state has "killed" engineering over the past 2 years!

                Not only mechanical engineering.
                Machine-tool building, radio-electronic industry, shipbuilding, aviostroenie, defense industry, furniture, etc.
          3. yehat
            yehat 18 October 2017 16: 03
            +3
            Well, where did you get the double? How to count? On the machines? By capitalization?
            In count? By staff? By ruble terms as a share of GDP?
            How????
            I will tell you only one thing. A twofold decline in industry due to inflation will look numerically as a 3-fold increase during Putin's time in power for 17 years.
            I hope this is clear? The same goes for raising pensions. Consumer basket inflation outpaces all pension indexations, but pension is "growing!"
            You should see that it is already in this basket so that the ends meet somehow!
          4. Zug
            Zug 25 October 2017 19: 04
            0
            yyy growth of industry - there is no industry in Karelia, everything has been poached for a long time, one and a half small plants work, but shopping centers are openly game !!! Toko there will soon be no buyers — you can say anything to me and write — there is a newspaper of job advertisements — Avito department — and there you can monitor the number of sheets of electronic announcements — vacancies — beat in a category of 6-7 pages — 2-4 left pages of the announcement of companies that hang all year round ... Even the most mossy jobs, people sorted out right now, the head of the company horn and hooves hired workers .... 500 rubles a day, although he paid 2014 in 800 back in 1 !! 500 And PEOPLE GOES FOR XNUMX R DAY TO BEND THE HUMP !!!! Here is the indicator for you !!! And about the wonderful success, you forgive my wife for a couple before bedtime
        4. Andrey VOV
          Andrey VOV 17 October 2017 10: 54
          +2
          Wait, wait, that personally the GDP gave an instruction, so let's close this plant, this one, this school ???? What are you raving about? Thanks to the redhead, after its privatization, practically no state enterprises were left and the closure or bankruptcy was deliberate or no, the state is no longer the case. For example, a factory was built, albeit a small one, but it provided 120 jobs in the countryside, it worked around the clock, but it attracted comrades bankers and that’s it, it’s falling apart, 120 people are without work, is it really Putin to blame ?? do not blame everything in one pile ....
          1. yehat
            yehat 18 October 2017 16: 05
            +1
            specifically, the plant ECP from my homeland was sentenced by non-friends Nemtsov -
            he launched the property redistribution procedure.
            Another plant, SibVolokno, was sentenced by a Chechen mafia group, which through the Moscow Ministry privatized the enterprise.
            1. maylik
              maylik 21 October 2017 18: 39
              0
              That's where the most important thing is “Moscow”!
          2. yehat
            yehat 8 November 2017 09: 33
            +1
            necessary, because bankers have not just got the right and money to do so.
            they are not green men from Mars, but grown by government regulators.
        5. Ilya77
          Ilya77 17 October 2017 17: 05
          10
          Yeah ... And also:
          73rd place in the world in terms of GNP per capita.
          78 place in the world in quality of life for those over 60
          80th place in the world in terms of home improvement.
          117th place in the world in terms of life expectancy.
          119 place in the world for the health of Russians ...
          1st place in the world in mortality from cardiovascular disease.
          1st place in the world in cancer patients
          1st place in the world in the number of abortions
          1st place in the world in road accident
          2nd place in the world for the production of counterfeit goods
          2nd place in the world in dollar billionaires
          And the fourth place in the world in the shadow economy -4 trillion rubles, or 33.4% of GDP for 39
          1. Arikkhab
            Arikkhab 18 October 2017 08: 07
            +1
            Bullshit ... sorry for my french
          2. maylik
            maylik 21 October 2017 18: 44
            0
            The Americans are doing everything for us to fall apart .. these arrogant Saxons have already hesitated. And they have the audacity to do it, and they themselves ... have destroyed 95 million Indians out of 114. Unfortunately, I happened to see the reservations with my own eyes.
        6. turbris
          turbris 17 October 2017 17: 40
          +4
          Well, I’m very much prepared for the answer, where did the data come from? He invented himself in a flash or who helped?
        7. Khazarin
          Khazarin 17 October 2017 18: 00
          +2
          Nifigase tsifir! Now bring the real numbers. And then it is received in the country not 136 million hours and with one household in this army of sovereign servants, already as many as 184 million individuals are obey sex! Arithmetic had to be taught, and not mastered the course aryhmetyki!
        8. Botanologist
          Botanologist 17 October 2017 23: 37
          +4
          Quote: Stroporez
          Effective Putinism Management - More than 35 000 closed factory since 2005 year. Z5 thousand - this is not counting small factories and enterprises. Think about this figure, which indicates that the country lost an 9,6 plant every day since the 2005 year. Yes, no Hitler could destroy our industry with such intensity as Putin could do over the past 10 years ... Closed 15600 clubs, 4300 libraries, 22000 kindergartens, 14000 schools. Degradation and extinction. 20 of thousands of villages disappeared, 47 of thousands of villages remained, in many of which a few old people living in poverty live away.


          And what did these plants do? Indeed, for the plant to work, it must do something that they buy. And not only in Russia. What did these plants do cheaper and better than all competitors? I know the fate of the factories around 15, most of them died in competition. Well, who will pay the plant for tube radios? You? KAMAZ buy, but there is no Tavria. Is Putin also to blame?
          As for the villages - what do you offer the villager? Under Stolypin, 1000 ha of land was cultivated by 500 man. Today it is the work of 2 machine operators for a week. Come on, quickly come up with a job for the 480 remaining men! Normal job, cash! Did not work out? And it will not work. Industrialization reduces the share of the rural population - even though you are mocking, and people go to the city. There is work, there are services. And graze the geese in the meadow - count how much you need to graze the geese in order to raise money for some UAZ Patriot.
          So no need to whine. In a week, the country cannot be built and not rebuilt. It's just cats on the window fast and fun ...
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 18 October 2017 00: 04
            +9
            Quote: Botanologist
            In a week, the country can’t be built or rebuilt

            Here I fully agree with you.
            Moreover, I myself know that if you don’t sit on the priest for sure, but force yourself a little, you can now live more comfortably than you lived in the Soviet Union.
            At the same time being just a hired labor. Qualified, yes, that is, something still needs to be learned.
            Camrad Sling cutteras I understand it, it doesn’t bother itself much, it lives somewhere far in the past and broadcasts from there.
            He broadcasts, as a rule, fierce nonsense.
            So your constructive answer to him personally reminded me of a joke about advertising Margarine Delmy:
            Mom: - Delmi, what will we cook for dinner today?
            Daughter: - Dad, dad !! Mom is talking to margarine again!

            You in this case are in the role of Mom. No offense, nothing personal hi
            1. shoemaker
              shoemaker 18 October 2017 22: 38
              +3
              Golovan Jack, tell me what you have achieved over the past 26 years? You like to teach, to hang up labels. About the fact that you are well versed in armored vehicles, I already understood. The fact that you live in odnushka in Zamkadye and work in Moscow is also clear. You have two years to retire, something to be proud of? Share a personal example. Sincerely, Vladimir
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 21 October 2017 14: 05
                +6
                Quote: shoemaker
                Golovan Jack, tell me what you have achieved over the past 26 years?

                Why only 26? I'm more than twice as much ...
                Well, for example, at the age of 17, I argued by heart I learned Griboedov’s “Woe from Wit” (I still love this work of art) ...
                And at 22, I (with a partner) painted the railway bridge in a couple of months. 220 m. Long, 22 maximum height (from the canvas).
                And at 28 my daughter was born. Exactly in the 90th, and then they stopped paying my salary, I had to work on the market for a year ... but my wife and child had money for, for example, apples ...
                And a year later, I was found by the head of the ACS department of the office, in which I was registered (I repeat - since they didn’t pay there, I worked in the market. A speculator, yes) and said: “stop doing garbage, come to work with me. And capture your better - your department is being disbanded. "
                I went, and do not regret.
                A year later, we (I, a boy of 19 years old and a girl, only after graduation) created the Office of the Register of Shareholders. Having an article in the Moscow Komsomolets as TK laughing
                And then ... yes a lot, what happened next, what to list all?
                They consider me a specialist (and I am), appreciate, love, cherish and cherish (GYYY) ... nerves shake at times, too, well, Duc ... this kind of work request
                I am interested in living and working. In money, when I work (I forgot ... I spent a couple of years here without work, there were ... circumstances). Nitsche, climbed out, tail carrot, head - turnip laughing
                In general - do not wait (s)
                1. shoemaker
                  shoemaker 25 October 2017 19: 36
                  0
                  Thanks for the detailed answer!
              2. Zug
                Zug 25 October 2017 19: 14
                0
                He pays taxes ... Now, right now, you can be proud of
          2. Alikos
            Alikos 18 October 2017 17: 02
            +4
            Quote: Botanologist
            And what did these plants do? Indeed, for the plant to work, it must do something that they buy. And not only in Russia. What did these plants do cheaper and better than all competitors? I know the fate of the plants around 15, most of them died in competition. Well, who will pay the plant for tube radios?

            What the fuck are tube receivers?
            In the 70s there were already transistors, and right after them they switched to microcircuits ...
            Why lie? And nerd ...
          3. Nagaibak
            Nagaibak 18 October 2017 19: 11
            +4
            Botanologist "So there is no need to whine. In a week you can’t build and rebuild the country. It's just the cats on the window quickly and fun .."
            Did you fit in a week of 20 years?))) I think this is without the 90s.))) At least go to the wiki there are some numbers about the same Belarus .. It will be clear. In agriculture, we have an example of the Zvenigovsky state farm in Mari El. It works well. Prizes at Western exhibitions takes. We have not a word about him.))) In FIG, no one needs.
        9. Arikkhab
          Arikkhab 18 October 2017 08: 05
          +1
          Semi-truth from Navalny?
        10. DimerVladimer
          DimerVladimer 18 October 2017 10: 47
          +4
          Quote: Stroporez
          Effective Putinism Management - More than 35 closed factories since 000. Z2005 thousand is not counting small factories and enterprises. Think about this figure, which indicates that the country has lost 5 plants every day since 9,6. Yes, no Hitler could destroy our industry with such intensity as Putin could do over the past 2005 years ...


          Because the oil economy, built by the consolidated, does not need these plants. For the oil industry, they have a defense industry, several hundred refineries are enough - and people live a bit too much in Russia, not enough for all oil revenues ...

          The economy needs money - where is all the money?
          1. Akuzenka
            Akuzenka 18 October 2017 11: 54
            +2
            In the photo: a solid, adult, seemingly smart. But reason and write like a stupid liberal. Maybe someone else is in the photo? Then your reasoning is clear. Have a good cry.
          2. Zug
            Zug 25 October 2017 19: 15
            0
            off-shore money
        11. Akuzenka
          Akuzenka 18 October 2017 11: 51
          +1
          This is all scary, of course. And who are the owners of the plant? Putin personally ?! State or private capital ?! From this you have to dance, and not from okhov and akhov. We do not have socialism and long ago private ownership of the means of production. What the capitalist wants to do with them. As with the workers, he wants - he accepts, he wants - he expels. This is not an excuse for collapse, but merely facts.
          1. Alikos
            Alikos 18 October 2017 17: 10
            +6
            Quote: AKuzenka
            This is all scary, of course. And who are the owners of the plant? Putin personally ?! State or private capital ?! From this you have to dance, and not from okhov and akhov. We do not have socialism and long ago private ownership of the means of production. What the capitalist wants to do with them. As with the workers, he wants - he accepts, he wants - he expels. This is not an excuse for collapse, but merely facts.


            And why the heck to us, most ordinary people, your illegally appropriated private property? Why do we need your thieves capitalism?
            You have stolen popular ownership of the means of production from most ordinary people!
            Which was built together by our ancestors. We built, and you, a few% of the cunning zeal, took everything from us. Made beggars. left our children without a future with the prospect of working for slaveholders as slaves?
            People, do you understand where these villains drove us to?
        12. Kent0001
          Kent0001 18 October 2017 15: 27
          0
          The bullshit is full. What are only figures for lawyers and notaries, more than customs. Other figures are also in doubt. It is not bad in such cases to give a reference. And so it’s all blah blah blah. Although in some ways you are right.
        13. Ivan Sidorovsky
          Ivan Sidorovsky 21 October 2017 09: 48
          0
          Learn further from 2009: https: //ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalzavod_ (hall
          ding company)
        14. SmokeR 47RU
          SmokeR 47RU 23 January 2018 17: 42
          0
          + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
      3. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 16 October 2017 22: 56
        +9
        Quote: Wend
        It is cheaper to build a new factory. than reconstruct the old one.

        I looked at the video, reached the Urals, and did not look any further. Because, as this is an assembly of Chinese parts. I don’t remember the name of the Chinese tractor. This is not a factory, but simply assembly, because importing spare parts is cheaper than the entire tractor. Something there for Russia may have adapted.
        1. Vend
          Vend 17 October 2017 09: 06
          +1
          Quote: mordvin xnumx
          Quote: Wend
          It is cheaper to build a new factory. than reconstruct the old one.

          I looked at the video, reached the Urals, and did not look any further. Because, as this is an assembly of Chinese parts. I don’t remember the name of the Chinese tractor. This is not a factory, but simply assembly, because importing spare parts is cheaper than the entire tractor. Something there for Russia may have adapted.

          Do you need a factory for assembly?
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 17 October 2017 12: 21
            +6
            Quote: Wend
            Do you need a factory for assembly?

            It depends on what you call it. For me, this is a workshop.
            1. Vend
              Vend 17 October 2017 13: 07
              +1
              Quote: mordvin xnumx
              Quote: Wend
              Do you need a factory for assembly?

              It depends on what you call it. For me, this is a workshop.

              I can not agree. Assembly shop and assembly plant are different concepts.
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 17 October 2017 13: 15
                +5
                Quote: Wend
                I can not agree.

                ?
                Quote: Wend
                Assembly shop and assembly plant are different concepts.

                That's it. I myself worked in the assembly shop.
          2. Alikos
            Alikos 18 October 2017 17: 12
            +2
            Quote: Wend
            Quote: mordvin xnumx
            Quote: Wend
            It is cheaper to build a new factory. than reconstruct the old one.

            I looked at the video, reached the Urals, and did not look any further. Because, as this is an assembly of Chinese parts. I don’t remember the name of the Chinese tractor. This is not a factory, but simply assembly, because importing spare parts is cheaper than the entire tractor. Something there for Russia may have adapted.

            Do you need a factory for assembly?

            But we had complete production in Soviet times.
        2. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 17 October 2017 19: 54
          +6
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          This is not a factory, but simply assembly, because importing spare parts is cheaper than the entire tractor.

          there is some kind of wild bias in this. In a country endowed with decisively all resources, it is unprofitable to engage in production !!! I am sure that the banking system keeps such a rate of exchange that it is more profitable to produce TAM !!
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 18 October 2017 06: 31
            +9
            Quote: aybolyt678
            In a country endowed with decisively all resources, it is unprofitable to engage in production

            Right By all-all resources, including the production of all-all components for the same tractor (not the level of Belarus, but a thread of modern Japanese, for example), qualified personnel for production, except ... yes dofiga, in general, what else.
            The cries of "ahhhh !!! this is an assembly !!!" surprise me.
            Here they follow a simple path: from assembly - through the gradual localization of production - to the production of "their Volkswagen", for example.
            Volkswagen, for example, has already built a motor plant. In the Russian Federation, yeah. And they work on it ... well, certainly not the Germans. And this plant pays taxes ... well, certainly not in Germany.
            At the same time, producing quite competitive products, yeah.
            But the adherents of the "all-propolipolymers" somehow prefer such things ... not to overlook.
            Sorry for them request
            Quote: aybolyt678
            I am sure that the banking system

            Yep, exactly. The banking system, the world behind the scenes and further down the list are always to blame ... who prevented VAZ from producing decent products under the Union? Yes, no one, except for their own nailing ...
            So it’s about now yes
            1. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 18 October 2017 06: 49
              +4
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              Who prevented VAZ from producing decent products under the Union? Yes, no one, except for their own nailing ...

              Have you ever studied political economy? there are two of them. Capitalism and Socialism. Under Stalin, there was only one - Marx. The textbook of political economy of Socialism was published only after the death of the Leader. In his opinion, he was raw. No other motivation was found besides material, failed to convincingly motivate the work of people by socialist ideology. Therefore, Stalin manually controlled the country. AvtoVAZ was at the time advanced. And decay began from the head. It’s scary to think what will happen after Putin
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 18 October 2017 07: 37
                +9
                Quote: aybolyt678
                It’s scary to think what will happen after Putin

                And you ... do not think. Work, and you will be rewarded.
                I’m working as an example. And I do not whine even once.
                Quote: aybolyt678
                Have you ever studied political economy?

                In 1980, at the institute, how, how ...
                Quote: aybolyt678
                No other motivation was found besides material, could not convincingly motivate the work of people by socialist ideology

                Not found, because there is no (motivation).
                It is possible for some time (looking at North Korea, we understand that for a rather long time) to confuse people with the image of an external enemy, promising a happy future, training "to reduce needs", etc. But time is all the same of course.
                From the appearance of man to this day, the needs of man, as a species, have not changed even once. I want to live in warmth, to eat hearty, well, and all that.
                No “ideology” can replace this for you. Surrogate it. Placebo request
                Quote: aybolyt678
                AvtoVAZ was once the foremost ...

                Naturally ... against the background of the complete absence of the civilian automobile industry, even those buckets with nuts that AvtoVAZ produced seemed to be something blessed ... Only this worked under the Iron Curtain. The curtain became more transparent - it was then that AvtoVAZ faced the black face of reality.
                Okay. I have to start work in half an hour, and there’s still something to do ...
            2. yehat
              yehat 18 October 2017 16: 11
              +2
              VAZ depended directly on the regulation of financing in Moscow.
              All attempts to produce new prototypes rested in the absence of a budget for work.
              This was the main disease of the economy under the old Brezhnev - a bunch of underfunded projects, buried and frozen billions of inefficient spending and, at the same time, super-efficient growth points that dragged on this obscurantism.
              No better than now.
          2. Grafova Irina
            Grafova Irina 19 October 2017 14: 03
            +3
            In many regions, production is very expensive. For purely climatic reasons, not to mention infrastructure. When the majority of enterprises locked themselves in the domestic market and maintained (in which) a reasonable deficit - everything was not bad. Now, competition with foreign manufacturers due to the very cost is very difficult for us - hence the massive closure of many enterprises or their reprofiling. And reductions - too ...
            On the whole, of course, the decline in industrial production is evident. And Putin is not one of the first culprits here. Something is being built, of course, but somehow unconvincing, or something ... Wherever you spit, import labels and brands. Although domestic buses are pleasing to the eye along with trolleybuses and trams ...
            And I write all this, based on the once (about 10 years ago) Parshin (or Parshev) I read: "Why Russia is not America. Therefore, if something happens, swear at it and not at me winked
        3. Akuzenka
          Akuzenka 18 October 2017 11: 57
          +1
          Pancake. But I don’t believe that the tractor is Chinese. Photo is not proof. Until I see this with my own eyes, I won’t believe it. Too small an occasion for an angry article and too much feedback on it. Too often lie to the media to believe. There are no numbers of factories built that Putin closed. No numbers, how many opened! Emotions alone, and emotions are the weapons of propaganda, when there are no facts or facts, the opposite is true.
      4. t7310
        t7310 18 October 2017 11: 01
        0
        [quote = Wend] [quote = andy.v.lee] With modern technology, it is cheaper to build a new plant. than to reconstruct the old. [/ quote]
        wait a minute, there was a plant twisting for example yarn and rope on the equipment of the century before last, I didn’t break anything well, in general, I didn’t need to modernize and repair, no one was straining, and suddenly there was no factory and who was building a new plant? because in the long term it’s cheaper for decades to buy finished products, workers? yes with your money? like, the old factory fed you for more than a hundred years, you see the new factory will function as much ... maybe ... if it’s shorter, for example, you had your old Honda under the window, which never broke and just liked, and suddenly disappeared, and you such say: do not worry, buy yourself a new one - they are new now cheaper than the new twenty years ago ...
        1. Ivan Sidorovsky
          Ivan Sidorovsky 21 October 2017 10: 00
          0
          "" "threads and ropes on the equipment of the century before last, I twisted well and didn’t break," "" But didn’t you hear about performance ?, nea? There is still quality, but if this is a high-precision product, you haven’t heard it too? .... Well, last year you are in the hands :)
      5. Slavik rusin
        Slavik rusin 24 October 2017 00: 42
        +1
        10
        Wend October 16, 2017 12:52 ↑ New
        Quote: andy.v.lee
        Personally? And how much is destroyed from the USSR? And by the way, built for whom? Who is the main beneficiary?

        “With modern technology, it’s cheaper to build a new plant. Than to reconstruct an old one”
        Liberals declared such garbage in the late 80s and early 90s. The main thing in the factory is people, specialists. At the new plant, they cannot be by definition. True, they can be learned ......., but then the plant will become several times more expensive than the reconstructed one.
        And all your examples do not concern the FACTORY of full localization, but a screwdriver workshop for monkey assembling of ancient rubbish from developed and not so states.
        By the way, today in the Russian Federation it is really produced already! several hundred pieces of tractors with a total annual need of 30 thousand tractors per year!
        Yes, call bros, they also make lawn mowers, just like a screwdriver assembly.
    3. mpzss
      mpzss 18 October 2017 10: 27
      +3
      Who is the main beneficiary !?
      What's the difference! the main thing is eating WORKPLACES, people have a SALARY, which means there is an opportunity to live a normal life and raise children!
      1. Alikos
        Alikos 18 October 2017 17: 17
        +3
        Quote: mpzss
        ...
        What's the difference! the main thing is eating WORKPLACES, people have a SALARY, which means there is an opportunity to live a normal life and raise children!

        For 50 million willing to work 200 jobs ...
        Abruptly
      2. Slavik rusin
        Slavik rusin 24 October 2017 00: 43
        +1
        "the main thing is eating WORKPLACES,"
        Who are you? slave or just?
    4. DV Coms
      DV Coms 22 October 2017 19: 14
      0
      Quote: andy.v.lee
      Personally? And how much is destroyed from the USSR? And by the way, built for whom? Who is the main beneficiary?

      It is sad that you do not know who the beneficiary is. Any new enterprise is a benefit to Russia and our people. Even if the company is foreign. The Chinese did not torment themselves with stupid questions 25 years ago, but gave the green light to foreign enterprises. Where is the Chinese economy now and in what place is the Russian economy?
    5. NordUral
      NordUral 4 May 2018 22: 34
      0
      Sad but true! Who is the master of all this industrial luxury?
  2. Valery Saitov
    Valery Saitov 17 October 2017 07: 23
    +3
    http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/public/

    http://ruxpert.ru/Крупные_российские_проекты_(Вла
    Dimir_Putin, _2000-2004)
    http://ruxpert.ru/Крупные_российские_проекты_(Вла
    Dimir_Putin, _2004-2008)
    http://ruxpert.ru/Крупные_российские_проекты_(Дми
    triy_Medvedev, _2008-2012)
    http://ruxpert.ru/Крупные_российские_проекты_(Вла
    Dimir_Putin, _2012-2018)

    Here is an incomplete list of freshly opened workshops and factories of various sizes (including small enterprises):

    http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/?search=новое%20произ
    leadership
    1. Slavik rusin
      Slavik rusin 24 October 2017 00: 47
      +1
      Why are you talking about Projects here?
      Where are the real engineering industries? Where are the production localized in the Russian Federation?
      In a couple of hours I’ll draw you a couple of hundred Projects.
    2. NordUral
      NordUral 4 May 2018 22: 38
      0
      Quote: Valery Saitov
      http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/public/

      http://ruxpert.ru/Крупные_российские_проекты_(Вла
      Dimir_Putin, _2000-2004)
      http://ruxpert.ru/Крупные_российские_проекты_(Вла
      Dimir_Putin, _2004-2008)
      http://ruxpert.ru/Крупные_российские_проекты_(Дми
      triy_Medvedev, _2008-2012)
      http://ruxpert.ru/Крупные_российские_проекты_(Вла
      Dimir_Putin, _2012-2018)

      Here is an incomplete list of freshly opened workshops and factories of various sizes (including small enterprises):

      http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/?search=новое%20произ
      leadership
      I went in, I often go in, it’s sad, but I want to see - the machine-tool plant was launched, and not one, but across the entire spectrum of the country's needs.
      And so on on the list.
  3. Kent0001
    Kent0001 18 October 2017 19: 12
    +5
    If it was a KamAZ level, then there were no questions at all, otherwise the screwdriver assembly of Chinese garbage was presented as an achievement.
  • Basil50
    Basil50 16 October 2017 11: 47
    +5
    The logic of development, even Nicholas No. 2 forced at least something but to do in terms of industrial development. True, Nicholas, in addition to import concessions, did not allow anything, but still the liberal liberals are fighting in ecstasy from the deed with the permission of the emperor himself.
  • 1536
    1536 16 October 2017 12: 30
    12
    So right, one took everything and built it? And if we take the statistics as a basis, we would have to report how many enterprises in Russia were destroyed and closed. As a technological restructuring of industry did not occur through evolution and a smooth transition from the 4 level to the 5 level at the end of the 1980's - the beginning of the 1990's, but through “revolutionary” changes and at the expense of the people. And, of course, to predict how the transition to the 6 technology will be implemented, which has already begun in developed countries, in order to prevent a new "revolution" and, as a result, lagging behind advanced countries and scientific and technological progress in general.
  • TPAKTOP
    TPAKTOP 16 October 2017 14: 22
    +1
    And then a loaf on the screws! ???
  • 34 region
    34 region 16 October 2017 15: 32
    37
    Again pull the owl on the globe! Yes, open the Internet and look at the site-products from China! Then they seem to have opened another site. Do we have goods from Russia? Damn it! Russia is on the rise !? Well yes! Either Ulyukaev was looking for the bottom, then Oreshkin makes forecasts today. What is the rise if there are only fortunetellers around? What is the rise if we beg for investment? What are the people to fool? I understand that Putin wants to go down in history as a reformer. But his reforms are dead end! He can not beat Ivan the Terrible and Stalin! Can not! Why engage in cheating? From hopelessness? If in Russia there is such an upsurge, why does everyone turn to Moscow and perish cities and villages? How many cities and factories were built under Stalin and how many died under Putin? If we have an upsurge, why are state property privatized? Well already sick of your Time Ahead! There was already a candidate with such a slogan in the election. What time? What's up? Who is ahead? Absolutely absurd slogan. No specifics. Continuous abstraction. And vote for this uncertainty ??? Where is the specifics? What do you want? Improvements !? Judging by our roughnesses on the roads, all the activities of our leadership are already visible. Progress!? Even smooth roads did not learn to do. Even the hatches of wells on the roads cannot be brought to the level with the road. These wells are above and below the road! Even rainfall (21st century!) Cannot be set at the lowest point for draining water! Guys! Enough already to carry nonsense about our achievements. There are none of them. No.
    1. nemec55
      nemec55 16 October 2017 16: 21
      14
      Again pull the owl on the globe! Yes, open the Internet and look at the site-products from China! Then they seem to have opened another site. Do we have goods from Russia? Damn it! Russia is on the rise !? Well yes! Either Ulyukaev was looking for the bottom, then Oreshkin makes forecasts today. What is the rise if there are only fortunetellers around? What is the rise if we beg for investment? What are the people to fool? I understand that Putin wants to go down in history as a reformer. But his reforms are dead end! He can not beat Ivan the Terrible and Stalin! Can not! Why engage in cheating? From hopelessness? If in Russia there is such an upsurge, why does everyone turn to Moscow and perish cities and villages? How many cities and factories were built under Stalin and how many died under Putin? If we have an upsurge, why are state property privatized? Well already sick of your Time Ahead! There was already a candidate with such a slogan in the election. What time? What's up? Who is ahead? Absolutely absurd slogan. No specifics. Continuous abstraction. And vote for this uncertainty ??? Where is the specifics? What do you want? Improvements !? Judging by our roughnesses on the roads, all the activities of our leadership are already visible. Progress!? Even smooth roads did not learn to do. Even the hatches of wells on the roads cannot be brought to the level with the road. These wells are above and below the road! Even rainfall (21st century!) Cannot be set at the lowest point for draining water! Guys! Enough already to carry nonsense about our achievements. There are none of them. No.

      Society is divided (roughly) into three categories, one is all bad for the other, everything is fine and there is a third category of realists who understand that there are a lot of pluses and minuses, and there are enough minuses who recommend going out and let’s sweep to put asphalt to wash the street to dig out the lawn, etc.
      The bottom line is that the power of nifig does not work either from above or from below, it just does not work, and the people work and all the merits from the people as it works and from the authorities all that is required is nothing. Ask yourself what the government did for your well-being and ANYTHING
      Dear 34 Region, a very good koment real and truthful. I definitely thank you for such thinking, because there are few such sensible people.
      1. turbris
        turbris 17 October 2017 17: 49
        +2
        Well, again, the “wise men” from the “all bad” team united and finally reached an agreement. “Ask yourself what the government has done for your well-being and ANYTHING will come” - well, if you ask yourself what you yourself did for the well-being of yours and others, then ANYTHING will come. It is better to sit at the computer and pour g ....... on yourself and others, proving that everything is bad, then ate well, lay down and fell asleep satisfied with your comments.
        1. Cossack 471
          Cossack 471 17 October 2017 20: 12
          10
          Dear Turbris. when I see that in a dispute they begin to say "what have you personally done?". I want to remind you that the people elected president. he appointed a government and the people hope that this system will begin to work. If the minister does not work, then he must be fired. Can you remember how the whole country persuaded the president to expel Fursenko.? By the way, this person is now the presidential adviser on science. Or should we expel the minister of sports and the minister of transport? Or will we send Chubais to oblivion? So the president announced the year of ecology and what? The government gave instructions to organize separate collection of garbage. began to build sorting and processing plants. opened reception points for lamps and batteries. urgently began to plant forests. where they burned down. Nothing is done from what I wrote. At the end of the year they will joyfully report on successes.
          1. turbris
            turbris 19 October 2017 15: 39
            0
            But it seems to me that you did not go to the polls, which means that you did not elect a president either. and therefore do not belong to the people who did it. Therefore, they did nothing neither for the country, nor for themselves, but sit quietly and indicate how the government should work, who needs to be driven out and who is not. Well settled, probably satisfied with yourself?
            1. Cossack 471
              Cossack 471 20 October 2017 22: 47
              +3
              Turbris You didn’t guess. I’ve been a pensioner for a long time and always go to the polls. By the way I’m still working. Once, as an experiment, the whole family crossed out 4 local ballot papers as an experiment. After the election, we read the results of the vote in our local brehun. "Damaged ballots -2 in our polling station. Somehow butted energy workers. I wrote to them to the prosecutor’s office and what?" There are no law violations " ... already, the power engineers partially admitted that they screwed up and returned the money and the prosecutor did everything according to the law. The calf butted the oak .. But I indicate how the government should work because my division commander said "there is no such post, it's a good guy." Appointed to the post if you know how to work. you don’t know how. free up space. Out of 140 million there is someone to lead. And Putin himself said, “I’ll take off the minister and the ministry will not work for half a year.” By this logic, the plants will become. If the directors are dismissed and the military units run away That's what it is about
        2. nemec55
          nemec55 18 October 2017 13: 39
          +5
          Well, again, the “wise men” from the “all bad” team united and finally reached an agreement. “Ask yourself what the government has done for your well-being and ANYTHING will come” - well, if you ask yourself what you yourself did for the well-being of yours and others, then ANYTHING will come. It is better to sit at the computer and pour g ....... on yourself and others, proving that everything is bad, then ate well, lay down and fell asleep satisfied with your comments.

          Your comment says leash about your incompetence in the knowledge of the lives of people living in Russia in the villages of collective farm state farms, I bet you don’t even understand half the words like a state collective farm and you don’t know the difference in that. How can you judge a person from the sofa, he or from the K700 (you don’t know that this is 100%)
          1. turbris
            turbris 19 October 2017 15: 48
            0
            I don’t hide, I didn’t sit at the wheel of the K-700, but I suspect that in every village you can’t restore the collective farm and state farm, under capitalism no one will be at a loss. Farms and enterprises are organized where it is economically advantageous, so you do not have to sit in the village and wait for someone to buy or organize a collective farm, but move to where you have work or open your own farm on the spot, now they give loans, what is the problem?
            1. Cossack 471
              Cossack 471 20 October 2017 23: 04
              +1
              Once, one Duma said, "for example, 60 thousand management houses are missing," change your place of residence and work. Pupkin's arithmetic with pictures: we’re going to some city in the Urals. the salary of the Housekeeper 20 thousand we give 15 for housing and we understand the meaning of the saying "change hours to cowards" Think about the question why do Americans easily change their place of residence and work? and on another question If Europe is this stage of capitalism in which we flounder. long ago, why our Duma pretends to be them. the poor. you have to develop everything from scratch and there is no world experience. and if so then interest holders and banks and Wim Avia for the first time in the world
        3. Zug
          Zug 25 October 2017 19: 33
          0
          the stupidest sink, what are you doing! —I've done it myself? I’ll answer you here — He works and pays taxes to the state! —that's his duty — to work and pay taxes — and he must go to the polls and vote for the grayest monkey to find it in the crowd of her gray counterparts, gray baboons, sapage, orangutans and the like. Monkeys of different sizes but the essence is the same, they are Monkeys!
    2. Khazarin
      Khazarin 17 October 2017 18: 32
      +1
      Quote: Region 34
      He can not beat Ivan the Terrible and Stalin!

      Are you ready to become a "drummer of capitalist labor" in shackles and under the supervision of the guardsmen? If you’re not ready, then do not remember in the hustle of these outstanding statesmen who had to pull the country out of, I’m sorry, gov.ni.sha scale of which you have no idea! Now, far from the FSE, the chance is gone!
      1. 34 region
        34 region 18 October 2017 05: 16
        +7
        18.32. Khazarin! But do you not see modern hard labor and prison soldering? Scatter our minimum wages and living wages. Today, Russia is smoothly shifting to a two-shift for 12 hours. Two days in the first, two days in the night, two days as rest and go! You can have six days on a 12-1 day off, you can month, two, three. A day after a day they work, and two after two, and seven days after seven for 12 hours at least. And the fact that they worked in the Gulag is wrong? Should they just be fed and watered? Does Khazarin generally know how and how much work for us and how the work is paid? A thousand a day is not a prison?
    3. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 18 October 2017 14: 01
      +7
      Quote: Region 34
      Even smooth roads did not learn to do. Even the hatches of wells on the roads cannot be brought to the level with the road. These wells are above and below the road! Even rainfall (21st century!) Cannot be set at the lowest point for draining water!

      Give a binding in place, please. The city, the village there ... well, you understand.
      Quote: Region 34
      Guys! Enough already to carry nonsense about our achievements. There are none of them. No

      Yours? Definitely not. You are an alarmist, dear ...
      And still try to speak for yourself when you say such things yes
      1. 34 region
        34 region 18 October 2017 14: 51
        +8
        14.01/XNUMX. Jack! Stop talking nonsense. Walk on the roads at least. What should be my achievements? In the leadership of the country? In the leadership of the country, my achievements are not. And what are the achievements of our leaders? Well? Where are the achievements? In the number of stores? A lot of goods? Whose is he? Fed the people? Than? Substitutes? Are there many natural products? Could not completely provide natural products. Provided with cars? And whose cars? Did you provide the traffic capacity of the roads? And parking lots? Che star then about achievements if they are not at all! And there are no new plants either. Those that are, this is essentially a workshop, not a factory. So do not hang noodles here about our achievements. Our achievements are only in reaching the bottom in all positions. No, I'm lying! Megalopolis Moscow has surpassed the USSR in terms of population! We drive all of Russia to Moscow? Is there no life for Moscow? hi
        1. Karen
          Karen 18 October 2017 17: 25
          +2
          34 region.
          Recently I was admiring the poster ... how many large enterprises were built during the "decoy" years of the rule of our dear Ilyich.
        2. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 18 October 2017 17: 39
          +7
          What did I like good
          Quote: Region 34
          A lot of goods? Whose is he?

          Yes, the one who is able to buy it - that will be ...
          Quote: Region 34
          Provided with cars? ... And did they provide the traffic capacity? And parking lots?

          Ahrenosovet ... It's about how to ask for a smoke, then a lighter, and then also rent your lips laughing
          Quote: Region 34
          And there are no new plants either. Those that are is essentially a workshop, not a factory

          Do not forget that one CNC operator replaces a dozen turners and milling machines. This is for example.
          Quote: Region 34
          Is there no life for Moscow?

          Yes, I live there myself. True, right now in Moscow, at work, I have a smoke break yes
          1. 34 region
            34 region 19 October 2017 11: 14
            +4
            17.39. Jack! And where are the details of this CNC operator?
        3. turbris
          turbris 19 October 2017 15: 54
          0
          Here I’d like to ask, do you have at least 34 achievements in the region? Personally, we’ll leave the country alone, because there are people in the country who have these achievements regardless of the leadership in the country, they just honestly do their job and achieve certain successes. Or do you have all your achievements focused on this site?
          1. 34 region
            34 region 19 October 2017 16: 55
            +1
            15.54. Turbis! If I sit on a computer, then there are achievements. Do the leaders of the country have any achievements? Or do you mean achievements in the form of bills and real estate there?
            1. turbris
              turbris 20 October 2017 11: 02
              0
              This is me about the fact that first you yourself need to take place in this life, and then engage in leadership of the country. It’s not only about accounts and real estate, it’s about just sitting at the computer all the time, so there’s nothing more to do and of course only the country's leadership is to blame, and you yourself are so white and fluffy.
      2. Zug
        Zug 25 October 2017 19: 37
        0
        Karelia-highway Petrozavodsk Medvezhyegorsk-slalom for the most experienced
    4. NordUral
      NordUral 4 May 2018 22: 41
      0
      And the Guarantor is the reformer. Only reforms come with a different sign. Here comes May 7, let's see what sign shines on us.
  • zenion
    zenion 16 October 2017 15: 56
    +2
    So you don’t need to destroy the walls. You need to pull the old away and put the new one.
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 4 May 2018 22: 41
      0
      You only need a desire to do, but with these tight. Desires are completely different.
  • Dwarf with nose
    Dwarf with nose 16 October 2017 16: 28
    12
    The question is how much money has the state invested in these enterprises? Many enterprises have been built with private funds. And it’s silly to draw all this to Vodonin’s achievements. For which the GDP team takes all three expensively and through the ass, yes, plus wild theft
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 18 October 2017 14: 07
      +7
      Quote: Nose dwarf
      Many enterprises have been built with private funds. And it’s foolish to draw it all to the achievements of the Vodonins

      Uh-uh, honey ... You don’t understand the difference cap. building from social. - "-" - request
      Under socialism, everything is collective-farm, and everything around is according to plan.
      Capitalism - based on private initiative, attention - state regulated.
      Regulated through laws, taxes, and so on ...
      Private traders built? So they did not build a brothel, but a factory. Despite the fact that a brothel is much more profitable than any plant.
      And the residents of the Russian Federation work for them. And they pay taxes to the same Russian Federation. Is it bad?
      And they do obviously something useful, people need it. Otherwise, they will not buy their products from them, and private owners will go bankrupt ...
      This is precisely the merit of the GDP and its team.
      Specially simplified the example, do not cling to the "brothel" - I bite laughing
      1. Alikos
        Alikos 18 October 2017 18: 36
        +4
        Quote: Golovan Jack
        Specially simplified the example, do not cling to the "brothel" - I bite

        Ha! And I think where did this Cat Man nul go?
        And he finds himself in Jack the big-headed reincarnation ...
        Salam!
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      1. svetoruss
        svetoruss 16 October 2017 23: 40
        +3
        You probably have not read the rules of the site, I highly recommend doing this.
      2. Nitschevok
        Nitschevok 17 October 2017 03: 35
        +3
        Go to South Korea - they consume exclusively their own and throw it into the world.
  • Antonio_Mariarti
    Antonio_Mariarti 16 October 2017 17: 14
    0
    Soon, people in general will not work in factories, how work will work for them. Yes, almost everywhere they replace people. So, you need to develop IT. And close the old factories, and retrain the workers.
  • Reklastik
    Reklastik 16 October 2017 18: 31
    17
    In 2012, Putin talked about 25 million high-tech jobs by 2020. Damn them, with factories, places where there is?))))
    1. Sharansky
      Sharansky 16 October 2017 22: 47
      18
      places in the same place where the doubling of GDP in 10 years.
      1. Vladimir Sh
        Vladimir Sh 17 October 2017 10: 08
        +2
        optimistic. Russian PPP GDP
        2003 2046,7
        2013 3734,2
        therefore, in the most unfortunate situation, like the 2008 crisis (though we have a drop in oil prices), President Putin will tell us in 23 about 24-2020 million high-tech places.
      2. Zug
        Zug 25 October 2017 19: 39
        +1
        and where did it double-in OFFFF-SHORA?
  • Abel
    Abel 16 October 2017 20: 22
    +3
    Let's clarify: Putin has not built a single plant, it is a fact. Under Putin, factories are being built and are already working, this is also a fact
  • Eres eres
    Eres eres 16 October 2017 21: 53
    +3
    1. The economy of the USSR was mainly sharpened for domestic consumption. During the transition to a market economy, many enterprises do not withstand competition and go bankrupt. Resellers, I emphasize not the state and not the power, private entrepreneurs bought the goods many times cheaper abroad and sold in Russia ... tadaam are also cheaper than Russian counterparts. And still they won on the difference.
    2. The development and automation of industry has allowed to produce goods with a minimum of workers with a larger release of goods. This also leads to a reduction in staff and lower cost of goods, which also leads to the ruin of competitors who have not had time to develop.
    3. The whole world has turned into a global market, where countries redistributed who releases what. In a market (read capitalist) economy, it is extremely disastrous to maintain an unprofitable enterprise only because people work there.
    4. The higher the country's economy, the greater the salary of workers. Capitalists / manufacturers close their factories and take out production to third countries, where the penny is cheap.
    In general, not everything is so simple and unambiguous guys. It’s not only Putin who has closed a stopizot factories. The whole world lives like that.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 16 October 2017 23: 11
      +6
      Quote: Eres Eres
      Capitalists / manufacturers close their factories and take out production to third countries, where the penny is cheap.

      Here we are already building and the Chinese. We will work for any foreign partners.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 17 October 2017 00: 23
      +4
      "The USSR economy was mainly geared for domestic consumption" Yes, indeed, for domestic consumption - the military-industrial complex, which consumed almost 70 GDP, and 50 percent of what was produced domestically, went to the maintenance of half the world - in fact, thanks You live great, then we were surprised to produce everything, but there is deficiency - sausage and tools as an example.
    3. red.proletarian
      red.proletarian 17 October 2017 23: 50
      +3
      bljj, how is everything right, automation is there, staff reduction, competition, but it just turns out that the cost of production seems to fall, under the conditions listed above, and the price tag for goods is growing steadily ?? In short, welcome to capitalism.
    4. Alikos
      Alikos 18 October 2017 17: 28
      +3
      Quote: Eres Eres
      1. The economy of the USSR was mainly sharpened for domestic consumption. During the transition to a market economy, many enterprises do not withstand competition and go bankrupt. Resellers, I emphasize not the state and not the power, private entrepreneurs bought the goods many times cheaper abroad and sold in Russia ... tadaam are also cheaper than Russian counterparts. And still they won on the difference.
      2. The development and automation of industry has allowed to produce goods with a minimum of workers with a larger release of goods. This also leads to a reduction in staff and lower cost of goods, which also leads to the ruin of competitors who have not had time to develop.
      3. The whole world has turned into a global market, where countries redistributed who releases what. In a market (read capitalist) economy, it is extremely disastrous to maintain an unprofitable enterprise only because people work there.
      4. The higher the country's economy, the greater the salary of workers. Capitalists / manufacturers close their factories and take out production to third countries, where the penny is cheap.
      In general, not everything is so simple and unambiguous guys. It’s not only Putin who has closed a stopizot factories. The whole world lives like that.

      In short, it was not the state that was built, but the Chukhna. Slave owners live, and the people must die out, because for him there are NO jobs!
  • Dedall
    Dedall 16 October 2017 21: 59
    30
    How well we have learned to show that which does not verify in any way and to affirm that which is not confirmed by anything. But on the other hand, I see that in Putin’s Novocherkassk, the synthetic products factory was destroyed and literally sawn into scrap metal. Among other things, he produced isovinylpyrrolidone. We had so much of it then that I did bandages for wounds with it. And now the bag of "enterodesis", which consists of it, costs 470 rubles. This despite the fact that he gets divorced in 100 milliliters of water. And if you watch the railway, then half of the trains go there on Skoda electric locomotives. And this is if we have in our city a powerful plant for their production. He eke out a miserable existence with a shortened work week and is engaged in the production of spare parts. And since there is no need to create new ones, then the Research Institute of Electric Locomotive Engineering is covered. In fact, another one of our unique enterprises, the Magnit factory, has been closed in our city. There were only a few such as he was in the country. But you see, they do not need their production in Russia and it is beneficial for someone to tie us to the manufacturer of magnets abroad.
    There are other plants that have ceased to exist and have given jobs to thousands of people. But most clearly the collapse of the industry is visible in our stores. Take any product there and you will immediately see the inscription "made in China." It is present everywhere, from wooden frames for photographs to electronics. Therefore, I consider this article with his video a propagandist nonsense.
    1. Cossack 471
      Cossack 471 16 October 2017 23: 48
      19
      I think Putin and his government should be ashamed of that. how people live in the richest country in the world. You can’t. then give way to another
      1. Vladimir Sh
        Vladimir Sh 17 October 2017 10: 10
        +5
        Why should Putin be ashamed of how people live in China?
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 17 October 2017 00: 12
      0
      It seems that now in Russia there is a boom in diesel locomotives and gas turbine locomotives on liquefied gas, since the maintenance of extensive networks and substations, as well as the loss of electricity on electric locomotive lines, go a lot of money for the budget of Russian Railways.
      1. krasnoderevshik
        krasnoderevshik 17 October 2017 01: 10
        0
        In the end, there will come a price balance in the energy sector .... and everything will be as before. Remember, once upon a time everyone was fine on coal.
    3. Andrey VOV
      Andrey VOV 17 October 2017 11: 00
      0
      Quote: Dedall
      How well we have learned to show that which does not verify in any way and to affirm that which is not confirmed by anything. But on the other hand, I see that in Putin’s Novocherkassk, the synthetic products factory was destroyed and literally sawn into scrap metal. Among other things, he produced isovinylpyrrolidone. We had so much of it then that I did bandages for wounds with it. And now the bag of "enterodesis", which consists of it, costs 470 rubles. This despite the fact that he gets divorced in 100 milliliters of water. And if you watch the railway, then half of the trains go there on Skoda electric locomotives. And this is if we have in our city a powerful plant for their production. He eke out a miserable existence with a shortened work week and is engaged in the production of spare parts. And since there is no need to create new ones, then the Research Institute of Electric Locomotive Engineering is covered. In fact, another one of our unique enterprises, the Magnit factory, has been closed in our city. There were only a few such as he was in the country. But you see, they do not need their production in Russia and it is beneficial for someone to tie us to the manufacturer of magnets abroad.
      There are other plants that have ceased to exist and have given jobs to thousands of people. But most clearly the collapse of the industry is visible in our stores. Take any product there and you will immediately see the inscription "made in China." It is present everywhere, from wooden frames for photographs to electronics. Therefore, I consider this article with his video a propagandist nonsense.

      The GDP arrived and personally closed the factories in the city of Novocherkassk .... it turns out so according to your logic ... and the fact that the goods are made in China in stores ... dear, damn it all over the world ... both in Europe and America ... in Finland, I went to the store to buy a small souvenir of Suomi, a little plush moose .... looked at the tag and guess three times what I saw there?
      1. Dedall
        Dedall 18 October 2017 21: 34
        +6
        It was approximately the same with the closure. Just not Putin, but Medvedev. He flew in a "blue helicopter" to the factory itself, so as not to go around the city and not to look into people's eyes. I was pleased with the people at NEVZ that the French banking group became the actual owner of the plant, saying that the West will support us. Only they were not going to do such stupid things and covered up all the existing contracts. "Hocus Pocus and no fraud." - as said in one film.
    4. turbris
      turbris 17 October 2017 18: 04
      +2
      I want to remind you that you live under capitalism. The state budget should not provide for the costs of individual areas of management. The budget should ensure the implementation of social programs, defense, education and medicine. The rest is financed by the capitalists, and they invest their hard-earned money in what is beneficial to them for the shortest period. Of course, the government supports state-owned enterprises, and strategic sectors are supported at the expense of them, but privatization is designed to remove this burden from the budget. But Putin is to blame for everything, but wake up already, socialism is long over.
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  • krasnoderevshik
    krasnoderevshik 17 October 2017 00: 33
    +8
    I want to tell Wend that someone who was ruining the USSR is now at the trough, or in some Maldives, senile bones are warming on the golden beach. Are you Wend or how you look there, the shirt is still tearing on my chest, from this I creep in different thoughts about your personality ... whether you are a young jerk who once studied at the rate of history (the author of which hell knows who he was and what bell was when he wrote), or you are one of those like him ... from LIBERASTOV in general, although the current Communists are also far from being the same, but rather closer to these ... like him .. TO LIBERASTS !!! Oh, and by the way, the churchmen are also not like those who were (those who were unfortunate, driven into all kinds of free settlements in the north, it was hard for the gulags to live ... here they talked about justice and said funeral service, you can say that they were conscientious, they didn’t take money.), and more and more look like these on FUCKING LIBERASTS. So Wend to whom do you belong? Say garlic! Huh? I don’t hear! Maybe you are one of these ... officials, who look like LIBERASTS? SPEAK SOON !!! YOUR SPEECH IS ALREADY CHOCOLATE, but why do you want to say, in a speech from the Soviet film: "You are lying the DOG !!!"
  • Ivan Ross
    Ivan Ross 17 October 2017 00: 40
    +8
    Propagandons intensified !!! The choices smelled !!!))) Probably no one on this site has heard about the theory - the golden billion ... But it (this very theory) is already being implemented! And of course, industry will develop to a certain level, and the fields will be sown - they will also be, and roads will also be built, BUT ONLY ONE ONE! ... ALL THIS DOES NOT FOR PEOPLE !!! And FOR A NARROW CIRCLE OF FACES ...... the rest can only wait for the stigma as cattle, because it is for this - TOTAL SERVICE CONTROL that all these "glonasy" and other "nano" technologies and "fiber optic" plants are created !!!! !!!!! P.S. just recently I talked with a friend crane operator who told in detail how these GLONAS "HELP" in work .... and how now the Moscow crane operators work for half of the salary that they received, about 5 years ago ... (((
    1. Ivan Ross
      Ivan Ross 17 October 2017 00: 43
      11
      And by the way ... !!!!!!!!!: about reducing the number of abortions THIS IS A HUGE LODGE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And the demography in Rossiushka is now increasing only EXCLUSIVELY due to migrants ........
      1. krasnoderevshik
        krasnoderevshik 17 October 2017 01: 05
        0
        It’s necessary to bring down the forest !!! there is no glannas.
        1. NordUral
          NordUral 4 May 2018 22: 49
          0
          And don’t hope, you came up with the idea of ​​blaming! And who will think about grandchildren, since with these they will not have life in the taiga.
      2. turbris
        turbris 19 October 2017 15: 59
        +1
        What are you, but I have my children and their friends - 2 and 3 children each, what should I do with this?
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 19 October 2017 17: 18
          +3
          Turbus, my comment (answer) at the very bottom.
    2. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 17 October 2017 03: 23
      +2
      Quote: Ivan Ross
      P.S. just recently I talked with a friend crane operator who told in detail how these GLONAS "HELP" in work ....

      How do they help? Interesting.
      1. Ivan Ross
        Ivan Ross 17 October 2017 04: 10
        +3
        they "help" so that you cannot move away an extra meter in order to hurt yourself ..... (in turn, the less freedom a person is given - the easier it is to manipulate him, his salary can be reduced ... after all, a simple worker still has nowhere to go)
        1. turbris
          turbris 20 October 2017 11: 08
          +1
          So all happiness is an opportunity to go crazy? Add to steal and sell, an interesting theory, here we will certainly go far with such hard workers, therefore it is better to replace them with robots.
          1. Ivan Ross
            Ivan Ross 22 October 2017 02: 00
            +1
            with people like you ... no robots needed !!! Well this is what you need to be a mental pervert, to write such a game .....
            1. Zug
              Zug 25 October 2017 19: 47
              +1
              This one that you wrote is already hopeless ...
  • Alexandra Vishnyakova
    Alexandra Vishnyakova 17 October 2017 07: 49
    14
    Suppose he built 2-3 plants there, well, maybe more. But the Russian economy is in decline, Beggars in the country are more than half. You can’t see a strong country! I am against Putin. And we must remove it before Russia finally bends, under his dictatorial rule! Drive to the neck!
    1. turbris
      turbris 20 October 2017 11: 14
      +1
      Another "blind", something does not see there. What, before the election, I decided to earn my "penny"? You poor people from the company "everything is bad", this is where I end my participation in these comments - there is no one to communicate with. And you further successes in your absolutely useless business.
      1. Zug
        Zug 25 October 2017 19: 49
        0
        and where is good, can we throw a card, I'll go there right away ...
  • Veter_73
    Veter_73 17 October 2017 07: 59
    10
    Dear citizens of the Russian Federation, do not flatter yourself with these messages. There is a manipulation of consciousness, a substitution of concepts and reality. You just look around you around you and everything will become clear to you.
    1. Vladimir Sh
      Vladimir Sh 17 October 2017 09: 32
      +1
      of course it does. in 98, the average salary was 40 bucks now 650. pension was 13 bucks now 250. Only a ram can compare a well-fed, decent, decent life now with the poverty of the 90s.
      and the smelly paid propagandons will hurt in the comments that under Putin the people became impoverished.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 17 October 2017 12: 30
        +8
        Quote: Vladimir Sh
        in 98, the average salary was 40 bucks now 650. the pension was 13 bucks now 250.

        You compare the prices. By the way, in the 98th, what month? In May or December? A friend of mine at the end of the 98th exchanged odnushka for two with a surcharge (do not fall off the couch) of 100 (one hundred) dollars. Dvushka - 48 squares, separate rooms.
        1. Vladimir Sh
          Vladimir Sh 17 October 2017 13: 40
          +1
          at the end of the year. don't like the 98th crisis ok
          99 year average salary 1523 p. rate 27 / 27,23 salary in dollars 56,4. from 99 to now, salaries in dollar terms have grown 12 times. Do you feel better?)
          Well, your friend could pay extra, they are different apartments and conditions too. maybe there is odnushka such that wow or maybe your friend is just not a great mind.
          let's count through something else. here, propagandons yelled out several times that gasoline rose in price as a result of horror. well, we consider
          1999 year 1523r. the salary. 6,95 rub liter AI-92. total on Wednesday the salary could be bought 219 liters
          2017 august. 38040 r. the salary. 37,11 rub liter AI-92. total on average salary you can now buy 1025 liters
          5 times the growth if you count in gasoline which, according to the paid propagandons, ogogo went up as well as during the time of Putin, the people ogogo got impoverished)
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 17 October 2017 14: 09
            +3
            Quote: Vladimir Sh
            Well, your friend could pay extra,

            She paid extra.
            Quote: Vladimir Sh
            or maybe your friend is simply not a great mind.

            Yeah. There was odnushka - Khrushchev, became - dvushka.
            Quote: Vladimir Sh
            2017 38040 rub. the salary. 37,11 rub liter AI-92. total on average salary you can now buy 1025 liters

            Well, we must have risen right up to the level of 1985. Only now factories, factories, steamboats were sold to foreigners. And left with a bare backside.
            1. Vladimir Sh
              Vladimir Sh 17 October 2017 14: 34
              +2
              you factories factories and steamers were not even sold to foreigners but turned into scrap metal. how they started in the year 91, so until the year 98, and sawed sawed.
              but what does this have to do with the video about the new factories of the factory and the steamboats built under Putin to replace those that you pissed off.
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 17 October 2017 14: 49
                +7
                Quote: Vladimir Sh
                you factories factories and steamers were not even sold to foreigners but turned into scrap metal.

                Power has sold. The one that now sits in the Kremlin. You do not know that Putin was engaged in privatization in the 90s?
                Quote: Vladimir Sh
                factories factories and steamboats built under Putin

                Such that they sawed into their own pocket, and mostly foreigners build. We, the Katays, are building a car factory. Some kind of Pahala, or Hapala, one hell. On the Americans Tula region. injects with might and main (Johnson-Johnson, proctr-gamble) on the Swedes - also (eurochem), on the Germans (gypsum-knauf) - these are all Soviet former giants, now we will be on the Chinese.
                1. Vladimir Sh
                  Vladimir Sh 17 October 2017 14: 59
                  +2
                  the power that she has now built factories, see the video.
                  and that power for which you screamed "Yeltsin Yeltsin Yeltsin" in '91.
                  I didn’t just show you the schedule)
                  Well, the fact that the Americans are Chinese and so on, because you yourself drowned for it in '91. you didn’t like socialism; you built yourself capitalism. enjoy it. Putin then. he didn’t make you jump under tanks in August 91st)
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 17 October 2017 15: 08
                    +8
                    Quote: Vladimir Sh
                    Putin then

                    And where was he, brave Chekist?
                    Quote: Vladimir Sh
                    he didn’t make you jump under tanks in August 91st

                    The gentlemen of the Democrats were jumping. And fools like those who are now going to scream at Navalny rallies. And just those who lacked meat. But our brains did not have enough to stop them.
                    1. Vladimir Sh
                      Vladimir Sh 17 October 2017 15: 24
                      +2
                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      And where was he, brave Chekist?

                      In St. Petersburg, I did business if I'm not mistaken)
                      Actually, it is clear that the collapse of the country is primarily the fault of the KGB, they just had such a job that this would not have happened. Well, if the "leadership elite" is not considered.
                      So yes, Putin’s fault in the collapse of the USSR is, as well as the wines of hundreds of thousands of employees of the KGB of the USSR. Well, he could not then. to blame. And what does that change?)
                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      The gentlemen of the Democrats were jumping. And fools like those who are now going to scream at Navalny rallies. And just those who lacked meat. But our brains did not have enough to stop them.

                      Well, yes ... didn’t a single Communist jump there?) There, all the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union were these shit-bucks with a couple of exceptions.
                      Now not only bulk hamsters are trying to jump. Amazing people, only 25 years have passed after their own experience and 4 years as a good example in the next one showed how not to do it, but all the same people do not learn anything.
                  2. Veter_73
                    Veter_73 10 November 2017 07: 52
                    0
                    This is one and the same power. Only the faces at the helm have changed, but more ambitions at the helmsmen.
            2. Vladimir Sh
              Vladimir Sh 17 October 2017 14: 47
              +1
              and about a prosperous 85 year
              the average salary in 1985 was 173,95 rubles the price of kg of pork 2 rubles 10 kopecks (not koptorgovskaya not market store that this pork was for those who lived then did not need to tell) 82.3 kg of bones
              average salary 2017 august. 38040 r. price per kg of pork 259,65 rubles. those. this is 146.5 kg of meat.
              those. 82.3 kg of bones in 85 and 146 kg of meat in August 2017 in a country that Putin brought to extreme poverty)

              PS. and about gasoline. counted. AI 93 in '85 cost 4 rubles for 10 liters. those. 40 kopecks. salary 173.95. those. for an average salary, you could buy 435 liters then. so you fooled me. 435 liters then 1025 now)
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 17 October 2017 15: 00
                +6
                Quote: Vladimir Sh
                .e. 82.3 kg of bones in 85 and 146 kg of meat in August 2017 in a country that Putin brought to extreme poverty)

                Grub is our everything. And if you compare housing and communal services prices? I don’t even remember how much they paid, because it was such a minuscule that they did not notice. By the way, if in the USSR the average Z.P. was really average, now alas.
                1. Vladimir Sh
                  Vladimir Sh 17 October 2017 15: 08
                  +1
                  here by the way I agree. I won’t even delve into the prices for utilities, but it’s just not right to compare salaries in the USSR and salaries in modern Russia or in other capital countries. since the level of social security of citizens is different and this is also included in welfare. and I agree about the level of social stratification.
                  but all this is not Putin’s merit / cant. he became president of Russia when Russia ceased to be a socialist republic)
                  by the way people below the poverty line about whom there are many propagandists who love to write here they say that they divorced during his reign, when Putin came to power there were 45 million people in Russia)
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 17 October 2017 15: 18
                    +3
                    Quote: Vladimir Sh
                    Tati people below the poverty line about which there are many propagandists who love to write here they say that they divorced during his reign, when Putin came to power there were 45 million people in Russia)

                    And they suddenly became richer? No, they did not fit into the market. Like, for example, my two uncles who lost their jobs. In short, I roll off, everyone, probably with my comments I froze my eyes here, for which I ask everyone to apologize. hi
      2. saltickov.
        saltickov. 17 October 2017 15: 20
        0
        how are you, how are you propagondons, where did you see a decent, dignified life, well, the Central Committee of the CPSU was direct, it’s clear who is paid.
        1. Vladimir Sh
          Vladimir Sh 17 October 2017 15: 36
          +1
          and you propagandon she is not calm and not worthy?) you just did not choose the right profession. they don’t pay too much for comments - it’s how many competitors you have and lying from morning till night it certainly doesn’t add peace.
          go to the doctor he will prescribe a sedative. then get a job, honestly you start earning. and you, like most of the people of Russia, will have a calm and dignified life)
      3. Cossack 471
        Cossack 471 20 October 2017 23: 15
        +1
        And you did not try to drive through the Volgograd region. I once traveled from Moscow via Serafimovich. the devastation is such that films about the civil war can be removed. scenery for free Everyone is going to work in Moscow. Moscow in Uzbek - rubber city
      4. Zug
        Zug 25 October 2017 19: 51
        0
        yes yes retire right now 680 bucks a lot that you buy, validol to go to the sausage with him to the store to see more precisely its price and pay off the debts for the cage. the doctor’s sausage is worn in milk, she wears 350 per kg — not to fry, it stinks with paper but rotten gondolas only yell as Russia mother-Toko rose it is not visible which part of it is inside the Moscow Ring Road
    2. NordUral
      NordUral 4 May 2018 22: 51
      0
      Exactly, open your eyes wider, maybe that will come.
  • NickiShnapi
    NickiShnapi 17 October 2017 08: 40
    +1
    Quote: andy.v.lee
    And by the way, built for whom?

    A typical comment by an ignoramus who hasn’t plowed at more than one shift at work. I will answer you, not for anyone. People do not need to work there and they do not need to receive money. After all, bread, rockets and ships themselves grow out of the earth.
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 4 May 2018 22: 53
      0
      And the question was not about what you were painting here. And about - who is the master of all this, etc.
  • Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 17 October 2017 11: 02
    0
    Quote: Alexandra Vishnyakova
    Suppose he built 2-3 plants there, well, maybe more. But the Russian economy is in decline, Beggars in the country are more than half. You can’t see a strong country! I am against Putin. And we must remove it before Russia finally bends, under his dictatorial rule! Drive to the neck!

    And whom instead of him ??? clearly just give the name, surname, middle name .. well, just one, two, three
    1. saltickov.
      saltickov. 17 October 2017 15: 33
      +7
      But I noticed how someone got to power so there’s no one to replace him, Brezhnev was indispensable, the list can be continued, it’s necessary to prepare several candidates, then there will be order. directly appoint here then the boiling out can and will stop.
    2. Zug
      Zug 25 October 2017 19: 54
      0
      I-put me-music stores enrich-all along the piano string
    3. NordUral
      NordUral 4 May 2018 22: 53
      0
      Grudinin and the team.
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 4 May 2018 22: 54
        0
        Quote: NordUral
        Grudinin and the team

        Oooooooo, how everything is running ...
  • Sergey Kiryushin
    Sergey Kiryushin 17 October 2017 11: 04
    +2
    Here are the strange people around. Why "built Putin" should be taken so literally? The same is true for the "dead" enterprises under Putin. Well, think for yourself that the company ceases to exist for one reason - because of its own inefficiency. Nothing more. After the collapse of the USSR, the market "curtailed." In time, not replacing sales, without conducting technological re-equipment, the plants sat and waited for someone (the government, president, God at last) to come and solve these problems in order to save jobs, etc. And now the same thing. Those who understand how and what they want to achieve are building factories, re-profiling production for the sake of market conditions, looking for investments, etc. Well, those who are waiting for their uncle, who will solve problems for them, scold the authorities.
    The psychology of a "trader", fostered during the years of "wild" Russian capitalism, has become so ingrained in people that most are not ready to work on "long money", on the "back". Give margin to everyone and urgently. Even now 15% of the profit is not enough! I work with China. There, people work on the back, they are ready to change models depending on the order and practically on the fly. They take into account almost any whim and are ready to sell goods even at 0. for the sake of long-term cooperation. And there is such a “movement” that one can only envy. And we all sit and believe that we owe.
    This does not detract from the problems. This does not relieve the state of responsibility for the rampant bureaucracy, for the fact that security forces interfere in business, etc. But it should be noted that today there are positive changes and we must look today, and not recall 10 years ago.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 17 October 2017 11: 14
      +2
      True to the point ... but I add that our traders and bankers live one day grab more Pobole and there at least the grass does not grow ...
      the state changes the rules of the game all the time and people have formed the mentality of temporary workers ... this tendency is difficult to reverse immediately and it is necessary to start from the state as the locomotive of the entire economy.
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 4 May 2018 22: 55
        0
        And where is the state located in our country? I know where the organized crime group, but I don’t see the state, so there is only one visibility.
    2. Roman Pupkin
      Roman Pupkin 17 October 2017 11: 43
      +1
      Um, and in what place is it positive?
      1. Sergey Kiryushin
        Sergey Kiryushin 18 October 2017 15: 52
        0
        Well, you must admit that today there are enterprises that are able to produce world-class products. The same glass for the notorious iPhone. You can still look for examples.
    3. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 17 October 2017 12: 38
      +6
      Quote: Sergey Kiryushin
      Well, think for yourself that the company ceases to exist for one reason - because of its own inefficiency.

      Well, you are not very right. Then the authorities tried.
      Quote: Sergey Kiryushin
      But it should be noted that today there are positive changes and we must look today, and not recall 10 years ago.

      And are you pleased to work for the Americans, Chinese, Swedes? There is no smell of patriotism, about which the government argues.
      1. Sergey Kiryushin
        Sergey Kiryushin 18 October 2017 15: 55
        0
        I do not argue that the state’s fault in the current state of the economy is absent. And here I believe that the Kudrino policy of saving money for a rainy day instead of investing is not quite right. What do you mean by "work for ..."? If a foreigner opens an enterprise in Russia, then the enterprise itself is a tax resident of Russia. And only the owner can pay taxes differently from his personal income. And the company will pay to our budget.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 18 October 2017 16: 04
          +3
          Quote: Sergey Kiryushin
          And the company will pay to our budget.

          You are talking about taxes, and I'm talking about profits that will flow abroad. And further. What kind of independent policy can the state have if a fairly large part of the economy is owned by foreign capital? Then someone gave a reference to a rather serious work "Why Russia is not America." Do not be lazy, read.
    4. Cossack 471
      Cossack 471 17 October 2017 20: 41
      +2
      Sergey Kiryushin. I don’t agree with you that the enterprises are collapsing due to their inefficiency. For example, you breed chickens and then Gaidar opens the gate at the border and allows you to import Bush's legs unlimited and without fees. How long will you stretch selling goods even to zero? In the Rostov region, poultry farms went bankrupt then. Thanks to the government. And try to build something. You will run and pay for a year. although I still haven’t earned anything. Yesterday I found out that gas was put on the car. then you have to run a month with the runner. I spent the gas at home. so I completed 16 points from a piece of paper that they gave in gorgaz. even a quarterly certificate is needed for the presence of living creatures. Why? because I will pay on the counter. And this is government decree No. 354 Truly. people have nothing to do ..
      1. Varyag71
        Varyag71 18 October 2017 13: 34
        +5
        And people, for example, here in Voronezh region, grow pork, and then bang and quarantine for African swine fever (ASF). And an amazing thing, all the largest holdings owned by those in power, in particular, the governor of our region (or rather, his son, but does not change the essence), this infection bypasses. All for the people. Correctly here one comment says, look around and you will understand everything.
      2. Sergey Kiryushin
        Sergey Kiryushin 18 October 2017 16: 10
        0
        Let's not be all in one pile. I mean chickens and gasification. I agree that you can expect anything from the state. It is clear that it is difficult for a local manufacturer to compete with an import one if the state returns VAT in case of export and gives cheap loans. But it’s definitely hard to say how much the cost price was justified at these poultry farms? Was the price of local chickens included the maintenance of extra employees who could be replaced by timely automation, etc.? And were feed procurement and logistics effective? It is impossible to find a blame a lot of variables.
        As for gasification, the problem of bureaucracy is not exclusively ours. In the United States, you can’t even repaint the wall of your house without coordination with a bunch of authorities. It is not right. But the ideal system is hard to come up with, because in our country, it is aimed solely at protecting someone’s ass in the event of an emergency.
  • BOS Constantine
    BOS Constantine 17 October 2017 11: 22
    20
    I live in the small town of Kimry (Tver region) on the Volga River at 150 km. from the Kremlin.
    Real life examples.
    1. Until 1990, the city had three large industrial enterprises. One of which SAVMA is one of the first factories in the USSR to produce CNC machines. There was a large tool factory and a woodworking plant. Now the wood processing plant has disappeared, the other two are barely breathing.
    Kimry from the time of Peter was the center of the shoe industry. Almost all the tarpaulin, boots, berets for the army, then the sneakers (in which they fought in Afghanistan) were from Kimr. There were several weaving and knitting factories. All of this is now gone.
    2. In the region there were more than 15 state farms and collective farms, in each of which the number of cattle (cows) was about or more than 1000 heads. To feed this herd, tens of thousands of hectares of hayfields were cultivated and at the end of summer millions of rolls of hay lay in the fields. All these state farms were bankrupt and liquidated in the 2000s, under Putin !!! And Putin is confusing, arguing at the agricultural forum in Voronezh that in the 90s it was common to say that agricultural is a bottomless barrel that has no effect. He and his governors have been saying this since the early 2000s! Until the agricultural subsidy program was adopted and the opportunity appeared to milk and cut the budget for this article.
    3. Agricultural holdings!?! How many of them and what is the volume of their production ??? We have 78 regions in our country, each with several dozen districts. I already wrote about the Kimry district and the volume of its agricultural production. If you transfer this to the whole country, it turns out that under socialism there were millions of cows. More precisely, in 1988 there were 22.2 million cows in the USSR. In 2000, it was 12.7 million, and in 2010 it became 8.8. million. Moreover, I think that the latest data are very high, because derived from stat. reports from the field, without any documentary confirmation and verification. Now agricultural holdings are an enterprise like Horns and Hooves from the Golden Calf. They get a loan of one billion budget funds for almost zero (subsidized) interest. A Potemkin farm is being built for tens of millions, and the rest is put into circulation or in consumer lending at 17-25%. They beat off this money in a couple of years, repay a loan of one billion ahead of schedule (very reliable borrowers !!!) and take 100 billion ... then even more. That is why they need fictitious paper reports on the growth of agricultural production.
    3. Ownership of new enterprises ??? For example, the advertised introduction to the work of a giant gas carrier of the ice class - supposedly Russian. I already wrote on this site. This is not a Russian boat at all. Registered in offshore, owners are individuals and foreign companies, the share of the Russian Federation is less than 5%. We are comforted that the economy is growing, either 0.7% per year, or 1.2 ... they themselves cannot agree how much to lie. But they didn’t do deoffshorization! And through this, amounts of 60-70% of Russia's GDP go beyond the cordon. And this is not only the personal money of the owners of enterprises, but for the most part it is the money of 200 largest enterprises of the Russian Federation (Gazprom, Rosneft, Norilsk Nickel and further on the list).
    And the money is in bonds and other US papers ???
    To return all this money, introduce real terms (10-15-20 ... years, until full compensation for damage) for financial crimes with confiscation of all the property of the criminal and his family. And immediately there will be a GDP growth of 100% per year. But someone does not want this. I see who!
    1. Andrey VOV
      Andrey VOV 17 October 2017 11: 41
      0
      Putin came to Kimry and closed all the collective farms and state farms ... factories, shoe factories and textile, so it turns out to you. With regards to the Agroholdings, our "favorite song" is that all this is for money laundering and again everyone and everything under one comb. I can immediately give you examples of effective agricultural holdings that do and develop the business and don’t saw the money .. and as for the Tver region .. .not when the bird began to decline there agricultural and not even with EBN ...
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      2. Varyag71
        Varyag71 18 October 2017 13: 36
        +1
        Not Putin personally, but his close ones.
      3. Zug
        Zug 25 October 2017 20: 04
        0
        yes, he personally arrived and closed everything — I personally attended at the same time — he himself broke everything — did he swear an oath for the presidency? ”“ He did it! ”
    2. Sergey Kiryushin
      Sergey Kiryushin 18 October 2017 17: 17
      0
      Does anyone argue with the fact that there are problems? It simply was not in due time and even now there are no enterprise development strategies or modernization plans. Now the same shoes have become more profitable to produce here. There were companies that began to sew. But the good one is expensive, and the cheapest one must be chosen carefully and be ready to buy again after a season. And this already characterizes the effectiveness. The state must create and provide conditions. And no one takes responsibility for this from the state. But how can one guess whose economic program is correct? Kudrin's funds helped to survive the crisis, but hampered economic development. And it is not a fact that investments in the economy would not have killed a bunch of weakly socially protected people - pensioners, disabled people, etc. Yes, there are many questions, there is little clarity. But definitely blaming someone is stupid.
    3. NordUral
      NordUral 4 May 2018 22: 58
      0
      Cows are now called Palms. Here we have their milk, now heaps.
  • Roman Pupkin
    Roman Pupkin 17 October 2017 11: 42
    +1
    The author of the video is telling a lie. So, Saranskkabel-Optika LLC in 1998 was a separate workshop as part of the Saranskkabel Plant OJSC. As you recall, Putin came to power in 2000, so what does he have to do with it?
  • Den nn
    Den nn 17 October 2017 12: 08
    +1
    In Nizhny Novgorod and the region, dohrena new and modern. Enterprises tchk sport and medical facilities. And in most regions, too. And all-crawling browns do not look farther than the nose, there is no reason. Ub ... full-time levota you are sick to endure! Without Putin, we’ll have to pay! But you are with him! But you are a minority.
    1. Zug
      Zug 25 October 2017 20: 07
      0
      YES YES-YU ALSO BEFORE ONE HOLE OF ALL OF THIS ONLY NOBODY WORKS ON THEM - MED. OBJECTS SELL IODINE AND GREEN IN TRIDOROG AND ON SPORT. ANIMAL AND A HALF OF AN ATHLETES PUMPS BISHING TO YOU. YOU ON A ROYAL POSTER STRING AND BOTH .... WITH ... WOULD YOU WILL BE SO SUCH CARRYING OUT-URAY PATRIOT
    2. NordUral
      NordUral 4 May 2018 23: 00
      0
      Good statistics - to hell and fuck.
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 4 May 2018 23: 13
        0
        Mat prohibited by the rules of the site.
        But you, the campaign, is allowed ... "all animals are equal, but some are more equal."
        Do you remember, by the way, what kind of beast was there "the most equal"? wink
        * hint: for sure - not a lion laughing
  • BOS Constantine
    BOS Constantine 17 October 2017 13: 19
    +5
    Quote: Andrey VOV
    With regards to Agroholdings, our "favorite song" is that all this is for money laundering and again all and all under one comb. I can immediately give you examples of effective agricultural holdings that do and develop business and don’t saw money ..

    All these "examples" of agricultural holdings are just to show the trend of pseudo-development. They exist as long as the credit pyramid is built up and an honest audit is not conducted. And as an argument, two pictures.

    The first shows that the decline is stable. The second picture shows our backlog from 1980 (not the most satisfying) at times and a steady decline from the level of 1830.
    And what else do I think cattle is indicative of? Because it is a guarantee of health, preservation and increase in number, development of the mental and physical nation (living in harsh climatic conditions!).
    1. Vladimir Sh
      Vladimir Sh 17 October 2017 14: 06
      0
      The pseudo-development trend produces meat while you are trying to tell everyone how bad everything is by pulling a globe on an owl)
      1. Zug
        Zug 25 October 2017 20: 15
        0
        I HAVE THE SAME DIAGRAM ONLY BY 2% TIME ABOVE INCREASING GROWTH PERFORMANCE, only here in our republic there hasn’t appeared a single sz enterprise and the like, everything is ruined and destroyed. So I believe the diagram is higher than yours I’ll draw such a squinted eye
  • Oil oil
    Oil oil 17 October 2017 13: 21
    +5
    I don’t know how much he built ........... but a lot of factories closed ... one hundred times more than he built ...
  • Self
    Self 17 October 2017 15: 07
    +1
    Quote: Oil Oil
    I don’t know how much he built ........... but a lot of factories closed ... one hundred times more than he built ...

    Why not just a thousand, or a million? If we are talking nonsense, then immediately on a large scale ..
    1. Zug
      Zug 25 October 2017 20: 16
      0
      we have more than 25 enterprises collapsed, not a single one is built ... that’s what I personally see ... oh no-Putin I myself moved with my retinue — we opened a workshop for the production of DSP slabs — what an achievement
  • saltickov.
    saltickov. 17 October 2017 15: 09
    +2
    The first battle leaflet of the pre-election race has started, which I congratulate you on.
  • andy.v.lee
    andy.v.lee 17 October 2017 15: 18
    +1
    Vadim237,
    No - bearings in the USSR are a very strong industry! There is such a YPC, google it!
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 4 May 2018 23: 03
      0
      Bearings, even in the USSR, were a problem, I won’t talk about now. The topic is familiar to me, of course, on the bottoms.
  • Eres eres
    Eres eres 17 October 2017 17: 07
    0
    Wise guys, the USSR has long ceased to exist, now the market economy rules of which the strongest survive. Capitalism in its purest form. The strong ones devour the weak, you want to live (good), know how to spin (work well). Russia is still holding on
    1. Cossack 471
      Cossack 471 17 October 2017 20: 51
      +2
      In order not to waste time on counter-arguments, I suggest you read Andrei Parshev's book, “Why Russia Is Not America,” Enthusiasm will noticeably decrease.
  • Anatoly Ivanov
    Anatoly Ivanov 17 October 2017 17: 27
    +2
    Well, I don’t give a damn whether he built factories or not. I perfectly remember what our army was under Brezhnev, then under Yeltsin, and I see what it is now. I remember very well that Boryusik could not say anything against the United States, and I see that now at least something that these hegemons still object to. I lived in Ukraine from 93 to 2011, and I witnessed how shamelessly the State Department climbed there with its NATO, and now what is happening with Ukraine, and for some reason it seems that we have Boryusik. NATO would have climbed into us, and for some reason it seems that Uncle Sam is not letting the GDP in here. And I’m sure, let such whores as Anal, well, or Khodorkovsky come to power, and the representatives of the State Department and in our government will sit, like the Ukrainians. I am not a fan or fan of GDP, but there is no alternative yet .. Now is a difficult time, and playing shit democracy, not at all with my hands, is not up to it now. But what about thieves in power? So they were and always will be, under any ruler, do not flatter yourself. that some thread Nasral appears. and he will warmly take care of you, not your pocket.
  • BOS Constantine
    BOS Constantine 17 October 2017 18: 28
    +3
    Quote: Andrey VOV
    Putin came to Kimry and closed all the collective farms and state farms ... factories, shoe factories and textile, so it turns out to you.

    You did not notice the title of the article?!? How many factories in Russia did Putin build?
    According to your logic, you can answer NO MUCH! and nothing to discuss.
    However, the discussion of this article mainly consists in determining the ratio of liquidated from 2000 to 2017. enterprises and built. And Putin is responsible for both because he is responsible for providing conditions for business (or corruption, squandering funds ...).
    So, there are practically no conditions for business development. If they were, then enterprises would appear in each region, rather than disappear. If there is a law, if it is the same for everyone, then the application mechanism will work everywhere and always. And in Russia, manual conditions for the development of industry, the economy, business ... only to some friends. relatives, classmates of GDP, Dimona, etc.
    Figurative comparison. At the Domodedovo airport on January 24, 2011 there was a terrorist attack, hundreds of people were injured. It hit the central media. I feel sorry for people. They immediately compensation in the hundreds of thousands of injuries and millions for death. How much? By what law ??? This is a private airport, people are passengers of private airlines, most have insurance. Please let them receive the due compensation. But he said the GDP and everyone paid without delay and formalities.
    And in the country about 25000 people die in traffic accidents annually, hundreds of thousands get injuries of varying severity. The same number suffers annually for criminal reasons and about the same as a result of natural disasters, fires and other accidents. In total, under a million victims. And they almost never receive compensation, even if there is a clear culprit. In the best case, 200 rubles for the death of a person. after months-long ships and so forth. Those. on the one hand, hundreds of “lucky” people who came to the attention of the GDP and millions of faceless destitute from statistics. So it is with enterprises.
  • Nagaibak
    Nagaibak 17 October 2017 19: 23
    +3
    Vadim237 "No, now we have 47% import on bearings."
    Phew ... relieved from the heart))) only 47% of the MDA are some half miserable. Do you think this is normal?))
  • Akvantsm Xomyk
    Akvantsm Xomyk 17 October 2017 21: 29
    0
    develop your eyes. where it is applied or used in Russia.
  • Vend
    Vend 18 October 2017 08: 58
    0
    Nagaibak,
    What can I say, you cheated, chose an industry in decline and feel like a winner. laughing For example, the production of metal cutting machines is at a low level of approximately 2919 pcs. According to the results of 2015. In Russia, 64 plant for the production of machine tools. But even among these factories there are young enterprises, I have not conducted monitoring, but I venture to assume that the proportion of young plants in relation to the factories of the Soviet era is less. You can monitor it yourself if there is time, here is the link http://www.wiki-prom.ru/55otrasl.html
    1. Nagaibak
      Nagaibak 18 October 2017 19: 47
      +1
      Wend "Well, what can I say, you cheated, chose an industry in decline and feel like a winner"
      Do not write stupidity. When a country is in one place, what kind of a winner can there be? Machine tool building is the foundation of the basics. If you even think about something in the economy, you should understand this. He who does not have this industry sells his natural riches to the new colonizers for mirrors and beads. And what is not in decline?))) Take radio electronics?))) Civil aircraft industry?))) In all, in 2016 in Komsomolsk-on-Amur, 18 Sukhoi Superjet 100 aircraft were produced. We fly on Boeing))). We are not in decline those industries that extract minerals. Okay, at least they began to supply military equipment, at least somehow the military industry was breathing. It’s just funny for me when they’ll build some kind of factory and scream as if the Dnieper was built.))) Light industry? The same pipe. You can talk about the production of gas turbines.))) We survived to the point that they were going to buy from Iran. And why not, after all, they bought the same CNC machines in the DPRK !!!))))
      1. Vend
        Vend 19 October 2017 13: 45
        0
        Quote: Nagaibak
        Wend "Well, what can I say, you cheated, chose an industry in decline and feel like a winner"
        Do not write stupidity. When a country is in one place, what kind of a winner can there be? Machine tool building is the foundation of the basics. If you even think about something in the economy, you should understand this. He who does not have this industry sells his natural riches to the new colonizers for mirrors and beads. And what is not in decline?))) Take radio electronics?))) Civil aircraft industry?))) In all, in 2016 in Komsomolsk-on-Amur, 18 Sukhoi Superjet 100 aircraft were produced. We fly on Boeing))). We are not in decline those industries that extract minerals. Okay, at least they began to supply military equipment, at least somehow the military industry was breathing. It’s just funny for me when they’ll build some kind of factory and scream as if the Dnieper was built.))) Light industry? The same pipe. You can talk about the production of gas turbines.))) We survived to the point that they were going to buy from Iran. And why not, after all, they bought the same CNC machines in the DPRK !!!))))

        About the machine tool industry, I picked you up to become. it has already been posted on the site. You like to believe that Russia is an empty place, consider it.
        1. Nagaibak
          Nagaibak 19 October 2017 20: 25
          0
          Wend "Regarding the machine tool industry, I have chosen to become you. It has already been posted on the site. You like to think that Russia is an empty place, consider it."
          Again, write nonsense. I do not consider Russia an empty place. Funny to read. Do you have any childish claims to me))). I believe that over the past 20 years, our country could become much stronger, more powerful than now. If someone pursued a more effective economic policy in the country.
          1. Vend
            Vend 20 October 2017 10: 34
            0
            Quote: Nagaibak
            Wend "Regarding the machine tool industry, I have chosen to become you. It has already been posted on the site. You like to think that Russia is an empty place, consider it."
            Again, write nonsense. I do not consider Russia an empty place. Funny to read. Do you have any childish claims to me))). I believe that over the past 20 years, our country could become much stronger, more powerful than now. If someone pursued a more effective economic policy in the country.

            What kind of behavior, such and reaction in response. Funny to read, do not read. No one is forcing.
            1. Nagaibak
              Nagaibak 20 October 2017 19: 29
              0
              Wend "What kind of behavior, such and reaction in the answer. It is ridiculous to read, do not read. Nobody forces."
              The normal answer is a person who is offended by life.))) Did I offend you with my comments?))) Then sorry!))) If you are so touchy so you do not respond to my comments and everything in your life will be smooth. Think further that you live in the most advanced country in the world. And you can’t remember that these advanced positions were laid down in the Soviet period.))) Continue to believe that MC aircraft or S-400 anti-aircraft systems and others (where you don’t spit) are the fruits of a new democratic Russia.)))
        2. Zug
          Zug 25 October 2017 20: 19
          0
          why-there is oil and gas-we pour Europe-and they have it cheaper than ours FOR OUR OWN
        3. NordUral
          NordUral 4 May 2018 23: 06
          0
          Not a complete vacuum, but a stratosphere, alas.
    2. shoemaker
      shoemaker 19 October 2017 19: 52
      0
      you are right, there are several factories, new factories that produce CNC machines (i.e., CNC). Only servos and stepper motors made in Italy are installed on these good (sarcasm-free) machines.
      And yet, it was discussed above whether a screwdriver assembly is good for Russia. For Russia, this is not the best option. The same situation is now in Australia, by the way, they also have a commodity economy. So, most of the factories with screwdriver assemblies of well-known automobile companies have curtailed their production in Australia, because there is no demand and a number of reasons. They also had their AvtoVAZ in Australia, it is also aground, and production has been curtailed.
  • Pacifist
    Pacifist 18 October 2017 09: 27
    +1
    Putin should not build any factories, his task is different. This postulate is the so-called sense trap. The principle is simple, we give out a phrase devoid of meaning with negative subtext. When you try to squeeze the speaker, he will easily prove that he is right in form. Yes, indeed, Putin has not personally built a single plant. The result is achieved, wrestlers from liberalism triumph, and young brainless hamsters are written with joy. People with critical thinking will not react to this at all, since the stupidity of this postulate is obvious. Putin’s task is to create the conditions under which an atmosphere of sustained development is created in the country with the strengthening of the state and an increase in the level of production, but Navalny joyfully twirling at the sectarian gatherings is not understood. The thinker has not yet (or even) grown. Friendly jumping for Lesha is easier and more fun than thinking. Actually, he uses this to form and win his audience according to the principle of a fun sectarian party.
    1. Nagaibak
      Nagaibak 18 October 2017 22: 13
      0
      Pacifist "Friendly jumping for Lesha is easier and more fun than thinking."
      In Siberia, we don’t call him anal. But the Communists are better from year to year.))))
  • Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 18 October 2017 09: 31
    0
    Quote: BOS Constantine
    Quote: Andrey VOV
    Putin came to Kimry and closed all the collective farms and state farms ... factories, shoe factories and textile, so it turns out to you.

    You did not notice the title of the article?!? How many factories in Russia did Putin build?
    According to your logic, you can answer NO MUCH! and nothing to discuss.
    However, the discussion of this article mainly consists in determining the ratio of liquidated from 2000 to 2017. enterprises and built. And Putin is responsible for both because he is responsible for providing conditions for business (or corruption, squandering funds ...).
    So, there are practically no conditions for business development. If they were, then enterprises would appear in each region, rather than disappear. If there is a law, if it is the same for everyone, then the application mechanism will work everywhere and always. And in Russia, manual conditions for the development of industry, the economy, business ... only to some friends. relatives, classmates of GDP, Dimona, etc.
    Figurative comparison. At the Domodedovo airport on January 24, 2011 there was a terrorist attack, hundreds of people were injured. It hit the central media. I feel sorry for people. They immediately compensation in the hundreds of thousands of injuries and millions for death. How much? By what law ??? This is a private airport, people are passengers of private airlines, most have insurance. Please let them receive the due compensation. But he said the GDP and everyone paid without delay and formalities.
    And in the country about 25000 people die in traffic accidents annually, hundreds of thousands get injuries of varying severity. The same number suffers annually for criminal reasons and about the same as a result of natural disasters, fires and other accidents. In total, under a million victims. And they almost never receive compensation, even if there is a clear culprit. In the best case, 200 rubles for the death of a person. after months-long ships and so forth. Those. on the one hand, hundreds of “lucky” people who came to the attention of the GDP and millions of faceless destitute from statistics. So it is with enterprises.

    There is no need to mix terrorist attacks and road accidents, the state is responsible for the country's security and it has taken upon itself the compensation for the harm done, regarding the climate for doing business, in my opinion this is more of a government’s prerogative, and how it does it is a slightly different question. why, when in the Detroit, once the capital of the American and perhaps the global automobile industry, factories began to close ... no one shouted ah, the US president closes the factories ... well, the President of the country cannot constantly manage manually and engage in a factory in Kimry or the like city ​​.. well its not this function
    1. Nagaibak
      Nagaibak 18 October 2017 22: 19
      0
      Andrey VOV "well, the President of the country cannot constantly manage in manual mode and deal with the plant in Kimry or a similar city ... well, this is not his function."
      I agree. Although he is certainly responsible for the whole country. And it defines both foreign and domestic policies. And he is able to replace the prime minister and ministers with those who can change the situation in the country. But we will have a stir before the election.)))
  • Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 18 October 2017 09: 35
    0
    Quote: BOS Constantine
    Quote: Andrey VOV
    With regards to Agroholdings, our "favorite song" is that all this is for money laundering and again all and all under one comb. I can immediately give you examples of effective agricultural holdings that do and develop business and don’t saw money ..

    All these "examples" of agricultural holdings are just to show the trend of pseudo-development. They exist as long as the credit pyramid is built up and an honest audit is not conducted. And as an argument, two pictures.

    The first shows that the decline is stable. The second picture shows our backlog from 1980 (not the most satisfying) at times and a steady decline from the level of 1830.
    And what else do I think cattle is indicative of? Because it is a guarantee of health, preservation and increase in number, development of the mental and physical nation (living in harsh climatic conditions!).

    I think your example is incorrect, agricultural holdings have completely different directions .. here are two examples of Aurora in the Lipetsk Region, this is its own arable land, its own elevators, this is its own oil and feed mill, this is sugar factories, and credit funds and subsidies it is used exclusively for its intended purpose, but it all started with the dilapidated several collective farms ... TRIO LLC - look at the information how it started and how the audits were carried out now and the rest and there are no questions, of course there are those that exist specifically for development budget funds, but .. for the most part this is not so
  • Seraphimamur
    Seraphimamur 18 October 2017 10: 54
    +1
    Indeed, reality does not coincide with the chernukha which television stuffs us.
  • Pavel Koltunov
    Pavel Koltunov 18 October 2017 12: 11
    0
    Quote: Alexandra Vishnyakova
    I am against Putin. And I have to shoot him ...

    You do not understand the course of history correctly. Putin is her product. And so are we. Whoever they “choose”, whoever they replace, everything will be in accordance with this “line”. The task of people is to understand the "line" of Entu, and after understanding and knowing the laws of it, we can use it in our class interests. Read Stalin, study the experience of building a new social community under the guidance of it.
  • Kirill2017
    Kirill2017 18 October 2017 14: 51
    +1
    Quote: Vadim237
    000

    Quote: Vladimir Sh
    The industrial production index in Russia has doubled since 2. so if where and what closed, then a dozen new ones opened.

    And why with the 98th? Then it is necessary to consider with 92go. How much has grown since 92nd? (especially in comparison with other countries, such as Poland).
  • Vladimir SHajkin
    Vladimir SHajkin 18 October 2017 15: 34
    0
    WORD AND DEED
  • ololo
    ololo 18 October 2017 16: 17
    +1
    I live in Kaliningrad. I do not observe new trawlers, but old ones disappear over time.
  • Michael of boilers
    Michael of boilers 18 October 2017 16: 28
    +2
    this is not because, but in spite of. Contrary to our laws aimed at strangling honest businesses. And the term of the presidency is 17 years (the period of premiership can also be considered). in the USSR for the five-year plan cities were built. For 20 years, China has become the world leader in national products. But we still cannot feed ourselves.
  • alisher001
    alisher001 18 October 2017 20: 05
    0
    Before arguing, we look, then we argue:
    https://sdelanounas.ru/
  • Karen
    Karen 18 October 2017 20: 31
    +1
    Quote: Nothing
    Go to South Korea - they consume exclusively their own and throw it into the world.

    If someone does not remember ... It was somehow difficult there, and the government asked the population for financial assistance. I still remember the shots of their bursts to help - the people believed in their government ...
  • BOS Constantine
    BOS Constantine 19 October 2017 00: 11
    0
    There is another interesting question: How many "FACTORIES" that Putin opened were closed or do they need to be closed ???
    [media = https: //nevnov.ru/506082-sozdannyi-po-ukaz
    u-putina-v-peterburge-zapadnyi-centr-sudostroeniy
    a-budet-zakryt? utm_referrer = https: //zen.yandex.co
    m]
    The MISTRAL construction plant is also the brainchild of Putin.
  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 19 October 2017 16: 42
    +3
    turbris,
    Do you know how to count? Given:
    47% of imported bearings and 53% of ours are produced in Russia.
    A plant has been built that replaces 7% of imports.
    It is required to calculate how many plants need to be built in order to fully carry out import substitution.
    Go ahead, wait for an answer.
  • Xinq
    Xinq 19 October 2017 17: 36
    +2
    not a single major city-forming complex of factories has been built, since it is believed that such practices as in the USSR are not flexible and disastrous for the post-industrial economy, on the contrary, it is necessary to diversify the economy, therefore factories are “built”, or rather rebuilt and re-built quiet and small - it’s more profitable for someone to steal ...
  • v003018
    v003018 19 October 2017 17: 41
    +2
    Hit over some ears. Something is built, which is a subsidiary of the oligarchs. And during this time, how much has disappeared !?