Military Review

From prosecutors and deputies to the "saints"? On the reaction to the petition on the "canonization" N.Poklonskaya

258
The international site for collecting all kinds of petitions began to amaze more and more. Site user Alexey Evstratov suggests that the Russian Orthodox Church rank Natalya Poklonskaya, a State Duma deputy, among the “saints.” The author of the petition states that this must be done in connection with the "struggle of Natalia Poklonskaya against evil" and the fact that Poklonskaya was the first and only "to see the outflow of the bust of the sovereign and emperor Nicholas II."


From the text of the petition:
I am sure that Natalya Poklonskaya, the first who saw the peace-flowing bust of Nicholas, who, not sparing herself and her life, leads an inapplicable fight against evil, is a worthy candidate for canonization during her lifetime. (...) The canonization of Natalia Poklonskaya will help her strengthen the struggle over the black forces of evil.


The same author claims that Poklonskaya is “sinless,” which adds “arguments in favor of canonization in life.”

The Russian Orthodox Church reacted extremely negatively to this kind of proposal. In an interview with urban News "Moscow" Deputy Chairman of the Synodal Department for Relations between the Russian Orthodox Church and Society and the Media Vakhtang Kipshidze said that the initiative does not look serious.

From his statement:
I believe that this initiative has nothing to do with the Russian Orthodox Church and is launched by at least stupid people. I think that the question of implementing this initiative is not serious at all. This is not something unlikely, there is absolutely nothing to even discuss. I am not sure that people who come forward with such initiatives generally have some idea of ​​the Orthodox tradition. Moreover, I do not rule out that they are trying by such actions to question the ecclesiastical ideas about canonization as such.


From prosecutors and deputies to the "saints"? On the reaction to the petition on the "canonization" N.Poklonskaya


Recall that earlier in the Crimean diocese refuted the statement of Natalia Poklonskaya that the bust of Nicholas II zamotochil.

All this история It reminds some kind of phantasmagoria and says that individual members of parliament, by all appearances, have too much time free from the implementation of legislative measures.
Photos used:
http://www.globallookpress.com
258 comments
Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must to register.

I have an account? Sign in

  1. aszzz888
    aszzz888 16 October 2017 06: 49 New
    16
    ... got it with N. Poklonskaya ... let them figure it out among themselves ... sad
    1. 79807420129
      79807420129 16 October 2017 06: 54 New
      43
      This whole story resembles a certain phantasmagoria and suggests that some parliamentarians, apparently, have too much time free from the implementation of legislative measures.

      So I, too, have nothing to do on the sick-list, let me announce the cat as the anointed of God. fellow
      1. Esoteric
        Esoteric 16 October 2017 07: 03 New
        39
        This whole story resembles a certain phantasmagoria and suggests that some parliamentarians, apparently, have too much time free from the implementation of legislative measures.

        All this suggests that in our society (Russian authorities) there are many worthless, random people. And some associations are just parasites on the body of the country and bloodsuckers for the budget ...
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 16 October 2017 07: 05 New
          15
          Quote: Esoteric
          All this suggests that in our society (Russian authorities) there are many worthless, random people.

          winked This suggests that someone deliberately plays the opinion of our people! wink
          1. dik-nsk
            dik-nsk 16 October 2017 07: 09 New
            14
            this initiative has nothing to do with the Russian Orthodox Church and is launched by at least stupid people
            so bad with the electorate, sorry, with parishioners))) The initiative is a specific banter over the obsession with Poklonskaya, such an advertisement for a mediocre film - you have to manage to do it, well done)) eh, something Nyasha became bad, but I liked it so much repeat
            1. hrych
              hrych 16 October 2017 07: 31 New
              37
              When she was a public prosecutor, she was attacked because of her integrity, she was inflicted a blast, her face is slightly paralyzed on one side. Participation in the Russian spring, with a risk to life, when the stronger sex let loose into the trousers from fear, makes this person significant for history, if you want an icon of courage and heroism. You can laugh, you can not, but critics have a thin gut to the courage of this person. She is a real hero of resistance and her merits are evaluated in the form of the Order “For fidelity to duty”. How many were awarded the order here? Therefore, better deal with Julia Latynina, who was doused with feces and she fled to Israel in fear, frightened not of bullets, not bandit knives, but poop ....
              1. vearey
                vearey 16 October 2017 08: 00 New
                +4
                fled to Israel
                To Israel? But why Israel?
                1. Nicholas C.
                  Nicholas C. 16 October 2017 08: 35 New
                  +7
                  some parliamentarians seem to have too much free time from implementing legislative measures.

                  Rather, individual critics of Poklonskaya have too little intelligence.
                  V.I. Lenin: “Of all the arts, cinema is the most important for us” - according to Lunacharsky. Boltyanskiy "Lenin and the Cinema" M., 1925, p. 19
                  Those. from the point of view of the greatest leader of all nations - Lenin, Poklonskaya is engaged in an important matter. Who is against Poklonskaya and Lenin? I think that instead of the disgusting cinema of the Teachers and Serebrennikovs, instead of the unprofitable Russophobic “Vikings” for a billion, we finally have a real movie, we need the efforts of not only Poklonskaya, but also other deputies.
                  The other day: "Patriarch Kirill spoke for the first time about Matilda" - https://ria.ru/religion/20171012/1506690677.html
                  Poklonskaya was right - she always said the same thing.
                  1. avt
                    avt 16 October 2017 09: 48 New
                    15
                    Quote: Nikolay S.
                    V.I. Lenin: “Of all the arts, cinema is the most important for us”, according to Lunacharsky. Boltyanskiy "Lenin and the Cinema" M., 1925, p. 19

                    Actually
                    "the people are dark and illiterate and therefore the most important of the arts for us is cinema and the circus"
                    But Ka-a-a-noshno in 1925 Lunacharsky remembered exactly what and how Ulyanov / Lenin told him, Yes, and not himself, but exclusively in retelling a certain Boltyansky, the author of the publication itself. Fortunately, the source itself is dead ..... Can you tell me in which year? bully So - ,, Learn, study and once again, study .... "
                    Quote: hrych
                    She is a real hero of resistance and her merits are evaluated in the form of the Order “For fidelity to duty”. How many were awarded the order here?

                    The merits of the past are not indulgence from the stupidity of the present, and even more so of the future. ,, Nyashu "really, actually wrote already, too quickly brought to the top and, moreover, on public display, and this is more than a load without preparation. Here she has a“ little box ”and started with galactic retraction from upechs." I wrote how then a long time ago, when she’s just been “married” to Moscow, the one who moves her so quickly at the ,, center ”will regret it. The clinic has triumphed, the final chord on the“ Immortal Regiment ”shunned when she popped up with the icon. For public This policy is stupidity, multiplied by the fact that in fact it does not accept any authority in the form of advice from a stranger, and indeed from assistants, too.
                    1. dik-nsk
                      dik-nsk 16 October 2017 10: 22 New
                      +6
                      Merits of the past is not an indulgence from the stupidity of the present and even more so of the future
                      absolutely in the hole
                      1. Shurik70
                        Shurik70 16 October 2017 12: 49 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Nikolay S.

                        The other day: "Patriarch Kirill spoke for the first time about Matilda" - https://ria.ru/religion/20171012/1506690677.html
                        Poklonskaya was right - she always said the same thing.

                        WHERE IS THE patriarch speaking about Matilda ?? !!
                        All that he said:
                        to avoid "speculations that can injure a huge number of people" when working with historical facts

                        Dot. The end of the quote. Although I do not respect the Russian Orthodox Church, I will subscribe to this phrase! And if anyone wants to pull this phrase to the show by the ears, it’s only his conscience’s problems.
                        And about Poklonskaya, I personally feel ashamed that in Russia such “blondes” (blondes, sorry) manage to crawl to high positions in Justice. Even the Psaki in her background is an example of the mind.
                      2. Stas Snezhin
                        Stas Snezhin 16 October 2017 15: 02 New
                        +2
                        To canonize, but then immediately disassemble the power of the icon ..
                      3. Dashout
                        Dashout 16 October 2017 16: 41 New
                        +4
                        Get behind Poklonskaya! How do you not understand that playing along the striped ...
                    2. NIKNN
                      NIKNN 16 October 2017 10: 34 New
                      +5
                      Quote: avt
                      "I wrote like a long time ago, when she’s just been ... wooed" to Moscow, the one who regrets it so quickly at ,, center "will still regret it.

                      So maybe there the diagnosis was discerned earlier and ...., as it is customary for us, "with an increase" got rid of ... what
                      1. avt
                        avt 16 October 2017 10: 47 New
                        +4
                        Quote: NIKNN
                        , as it is customary for us "to increase" we got rid ...

                        request Maybe so ... but, "Nyasha" from this certainly didn’t get any better, she bears it specifically and she doesn’t want to listen to anyone. But adult uncles and quite smart dumaks advised her specifically. But ..... not on horseback feed.
                    3. Nicholas C.
                      Nicholas C. 16 October 2017 10: 34 New
                      +4
                      Pronounced by Lenin in February 1922. Full phrase: "You must firmly remember that of all the arts, cinema is the most important for us." PSS, 5th ed., Vol. 44, p. 579
                      Lunacharsky many times recalled this conversation with Lenin about cinema, starting in April 1923 at the All-Russian Congress of Art Workers (under living Lenin). Boltyansky is referred to as the canonical source of Lenin's quote because this conversation with Lunacharsky was included in the PSS from his book through a quote in “Soviet Cinema” No. 1–2, 1933, p. 10.
                      But never Lunacharsky did not convey the words of Lenin like you: ""dark people and illiterate and therefore the most important of the arts for us is cinema and circus"Notice. I gave a source to my quote, you don’t. Not a single memoir of Lunacharsky in this phrase of Lenin mentions the darkness and illiteracy of the people, as well as the circus. In my opinion, you slandered Lenin and the people with an unknown purpose.
                      1. Nicholas C.
                        Nicholas C. 16 October 2017 10: 51 New
                        +2
                        Sorry, I didn’t indicate the addressee. it avt slandered Lenin and the people.
                      2. avt
                        avt 16 October 2017 11: 17 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Nikolay S.
                        Lunacharsky many times recalled this conversation with Lenin about cinema, beginning in April 1923 at the All-Russian Congress of Art Workers (under living Lenin).

                        bully good The benefit of the really lively Ulyanov / Lenin was isolated from January 1923 in Gorki because of illness, a really serious and mental illness.
                        V.I. Lenin went through the winter of 1921/22 hard: dizziness, insomnia and headaches reappeared. According to Professor Darkshevich, who was invited to visit him on March 4, 1922, there were “two painful phenomena for Vladimir Ilyich: firstly, a mass of extremely severe neurasthenic manifestations that completely deprived him of the opportunity to work the way he worked before, and, secondly, a number of obsessions, which by their appearance greatly frightened the patient. ”
                        Lenin asked Darkshevich anxiously: "After all, this, of course, does not threaten insanity?" Unlike the doctors who treated and observed Lenin and assured him that all the symptoms were the result of overwork, Lenin himself already knew by this time that he was seriously ill.
                        Regarding his first fainting (dizziness), he assured N. A. Semashko that "this is the first call." And a little later, in a conversation with professors V.V. Kramer and A.M. Kozhevnikov, after another attack, Lenin remarked: “So someday I will have a kondrashka. Many years ago, a peasant said to me: “And you, Ilyich, will die from a kondrashka,” and to my question why he thinks so, he answered: “Yes, your neck is so painfully short.”
                        Quote: Nikolay S.
                        Sorry, I didn’t indicate the addressee. This avt slandered Lenin and the people.

                        fool And something about the educational program and the timing of its hearing heard? Or did they decide that it was a pull-up from secondary to higher? bully Are the extent of illiteracy inherited from the previous government known? Well, how many people didn’t know how to write or read? You are our snitch.
                        Quote: Nikolay S.
                        Those. from the point of view of the greatest leader of all nations - Lenin, Poklonskaya is engaged in an important matter. Who is against Poklonskaya and Lenin?

                        It must be real fool in their own “Gorki” chtol to go if Lenin decided to marry Poklonskaya bully MARXIST with a tsarebozhik! bully [Quote] [/ quote]
                      3. Nicholas C.
                        Nicholas C. 16 October 2017 11: 57 New
                        +2
                        Quote: avt
                        Are the extent of illiteracy inherited from the previous government known? Well, how many people didn’t know how to write or read?

                        Those. I caught you by slandering Lenin and the people, by falsifying Leninist quotes, and you decided to jump off and cover yourself with demagogy. A person who has fallen into the mud should be taken out as well.
                        My great-grandfather, a peasant, "under the previous government" [under the tsar] managed to learn and become a building architect, and his brother became a famous Russian artist. From a huge family, from the outback. So your myths about the inaccessibility of education in Tsarist Russia are somewhat exaggerated. The fall in the level of education was precisely in the Civil War and the subsequent devastation. Teaching staff fled the country, died, including in epidemics, were shot, etc. In the recent 90s and without a civil war, the country dropped the level of education so that even the current candidates of science ....
                        Quote: avt
                        You are our snitch.

                        Can you show something specific? Or, as usual, slandering everyone who catches you in the previous slander?
                    4. zenion
                      zenion 16 October 2017 15: 19 New
                      0
                      Recalls how Schweik took the drunken field doctor Otto Katz home. And he said in a drunken delirium Svejk - five stars around my head would be very suitable for me, but ten is better.
                    5. Dashout
                      Dashout 16 October 2017 16: 45 New
                      +4
                      Quote: avt
                      But Kaaaaaaa in 1925, Lunacharsky remembered exactly what and how Ulyanov / Lenin had told him

                      Probably scientific communism taught?
                      Get behind Poklonskaya!
                  2. dik-nsk
                    dik-nsk 16 October 2017 10: 21 New
                    +3
                    Those. from the point of view of the greatest leader of all nations - Lenin Poklonskaya is engaged in the most important thing
                    they watched the film or "didn’t read, but condemn" in the spirit of party members? laughing most likely so .. an ordinary feature film, there is NOTHING in it, if not for Poklonskaya, the rating would be lower than the baseboard and no one would remember about it in a month
                  3. 97110
                    97110 16 October 2017 16: 32 New
                    0
                    Quote: Nikolay S.
                    V.I. Lenin: “Of all the arts, cinema is the most important for us”

                    Out of context. Vladimir Ilyich was somehow defeated by the authors of the scripts written during the night. And he said: "To listen to you, the cinema and the circus are so important for us!" I won’t give a link, consider this a stupid joke. Like all the current discussion.
              2. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid 16 October 2017 08: 08 New
                +8
                Now, given the prosecutor's office in the Crimea, for which everyone respected, you can’t do stupid and ridiculous things and arrange free advertising for some movie !!!!!!!
              3. Gardamir
                Gardamir 16 October 2017 08: 25 New
                +8
                . Participation in the Russian spring, with a risk to life,
                So many years have passed, and you still believe in fairy tales. Speaking of orders, Gorbachev was also awarded orders.
                1. Xnumx vis
                  Xnumx vis 16 October 2017 08: 38 New
                  16
                  In the Crimean events-Russian Spring, Poklonskaya took a direct part .. We all in Sevastopol and Crimea were not at all sure of the support of the Russian Federation .. We thought Russia would be scared, would not support us. Honestly, we were preparing for a worse turn of events .. Until now, it is alarming to remember ......
                  1. Gardamir
                    Gardamir 16 October 2017 08: 46 New
                    +4
                    We all
                    so you are the daughter of an officer, well, sorry ..
                    1. Xnumx vis
                      Xnumx vis 16 October 2017 08: 53 New
                      +8
                      I, Sevastopolets!
                    2. Serg65
                      Serg65 16 October 2017 09: 06 New
                      +8
                      Quote: Gardamir
                      so you are the daughter of an officer, well, sorry ..

                      You know, my friend, I am increasingly coming to the conclusion that you are directly related to the "officer daughters"
                      Quote: Gardamir
                      So many years have passed, and you still believe in fairy tales
                      1. Nicholas C.
                        Nicholas C. 16 October 2017 09: 41 New
                        +4
                        Quote: Serg65
                        I am increasingly coming to the conclusion that you [Gardamir] are directly related to the "officer daughters"

                        Exactly. Gardamir has a typical set of Jesuit throws in the junta ministry of "truth." I came to this conclusion right away, to me even his "you are Russians"not needed, see here: https://topwar.ru/125657-kulikovskaya-bitva-den-r
                        usskoy-slavy-i-krah-mamaya.html # comment-id-737306
                        9
                      2. Gardamir
                        Gardamir 16 October 2017 09: 42 New
                        +4
                        I come
                        come and go. By the way, I was in practice in 1986 in Sevastopol.
                        And you need to confirm your opinion with something, and not just spit, let the person scrape off.
                        I am from the people, so for me Mannerheim, Kolchak, the bloody Nikolai, Poklonskaya, Shuvalov and the like are enemies of the country and people.
                2. 97110
                  97110 16 October 2017 16: 36 New
                  0
                  Quote: Gardamir
                  Gorbachev was also awarded orders.

                  And a medal. I heard that even the Congressional Honor Medal for the victory over the USSR was given to him. Well, they are in their youth ...
              4. LSA57
                LSA57 16 October 2017 08: 35 New
                +7
                For good good can be added, but keep silent
              5. reservist
                reservist 16 October 2017 10: 18 New
                +6
                After the annexation of Crimea to Russia, the post of Crimean prosecutor was alternately offered by a dozen men from the Crimea and Russia.
                All for "different" reasons refused. Frightened by difficulties and dangers.
                Only Poklonskaya agreed.
                Now that everything has settled down, they envy her.
                Found some trifle and let's inflate ...
              6. Evgeny Strygin
                Evgeny Strygin 16 October 2017 10: 36 New
                +5
                how does the fact that she supported the annexation of Crimea justify the nonsense that she carries and what is obviously happening in her head?
                And what is such courage? She went against the opinion of the region that she represented? Its tops? Population?
                This is a good thing and who would argue, but the Order "for fidelity to duty" is something strange in this topic.
                With Latynina (I do not feel sympathy in connection with the nonsense that she wrote), a comparison because she was specifically pressed, and amateurs with feces should be slapped for a couple of years. Because with this, then we distinguish little from pan-legcoles.
                And the harm from her (Latin) is hundreds of times less than from the schizonous monarchy in power.
                1. Anarchist
                  Anarchist 16 October 2017 10: 48 New
                  23
                  I generally can not understand those who admire Nicholas II!
                  A king who has lost everything you can play! And jeopardized the very existence of Russia ...
                  1. Evgeny Strygin
                    Evgeny Strygin 16 October 2017 11: 10 New
                    +6
                    Nikolai was none. In short.
                    His canonization (by the way by the same people who fervently supported a certain Hitler) is a strange thing. Because under such interpretations, a couple more million sufferers can be pulled. There is only one reason: to stick something to the Bolsheviks, and specifically the Communists. Well, he also said that it was he and his family who banged him. Which is stupidly not true.
                    1. Anarchist
                      Anarchist 16 October 2017 11: 43 New
                      12
                      Quote: Yevgeny Strygin
                      His canonization (by the way by the same people who fervently supported a certain Hitler) is a strange thing.

                      They canonized not Nicholas II, but the entire Romanov family ... As a symbol of `` martyrdom of Russia '' at the beginning of the XNUMXth century ...
                      1. Evgeny Strygin
                        Evgeny Strygin 16 October 2017 12: 24 New
                        +4
                        Well, one does not deny the other.
                        And so the canonization of the family most involved in "martyrdom of Russia" is enchanting. Especially given the shit pouring on those who not only pulled the country out of their ass, but also put them in the rank of superpower. And with a non-biological meaning of existence and a jerk of a planetary scale for humanity.
                        One feels with such a direction a bright future awaits us all.
              7. ID90
                ID90 16 October 2017 12: 15 New
                +2
                well yes. well yes.
                the main thing is to change shoes on time.

              8. Young_Communist
                Young_Communist 16 October 2017 17: 28 New
                +2
                Quote: hrych
                When she was a public prosecutor, she was attacked because of her integrity, she was inflicted a blast, her face is slightly paralyzed on one side. Participation in the Russian spring, with a risk to life, when the stronger sex let loose into the trousers from fear, makes this person significant for history, if you want an icon of courage and heroism. You can laugh, you can not, but critics have a thin gut to the courage of this person. She is a real hero of resistance and her merits are evaluated in the form of the Order “For fidelity to duty”. How many were awarded the order here? Therefore, better deal with Julia Latynina, who was doused with feces and she fled to Israel in fear, frightened not of bullets, not bandit knives, but poop ....

                And for the fact that Poklonskaya in the name of dill planted pro-Russian activists to the Crimea, what order do you propose to award her with?

                1. Nicholas C.
                  Nicholas C. 16 October 2017 19: 14 New
                  +1
                  Why are you a LIAR then? Give a sentence specifically without the second half to lie impudently?
                  This Sazhin was listed among dill on the wanted list; on the basis of this, the investigator closed it before the trial. At the trial under Poklonskaya, which served as the prosecutor, he and his partner were released in the courtroom with the set-off served. Bandera, who received cradles from these Crimeans, also demanded material satisfaction. The court left them without it.
                  So do not lie.
                  And I do not advise you to fall under the judicial machine when they file a claim with proof that you beat someone. No matter how disgusting individuals you are beaten.
                  There is a problem. The other one. All who received a conviction in Bandera as a result of the liberation struggle must be rehabilitated completely.
                  But it cannot be solved at the level of Poklonskaya. The issue of military pensions for pensioners with taming was decided at the level of the President. This one must be solved as well.
                  1. Young_Communist
                    Young_Communist 16 October 2017 19: 47 New
                    +1
                    Those. Is Poklonnaya simply an innocent victim of the dill legal system? Just like in that joke about Lieutenant Rzhevsky "I plant Russian activists and cry, I plant and cry" laughing
                    1. Nicholas C.
                      Nicholas C. 16 October 2017 23: 25 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Young_Communist
                      I plant Russian activists and cry, I plant and cry

                      Are you scribbling your Jesuit lies directly from the SBU? Or from the Ministry of Truth?(Anonymizer is a sign).
                      The sentence, part of which you hid, says: release in the courtroom. And you lie and lie - "put Sazhin."
                      1. Young_Communist
                        Young_Communist 17 October 2017 00: 51 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Nikolay S.
                        The sentence, part of which you hid, says: release in the courtroom. And you lie and lie - "put Sazhin."

                        If you were not so legally illiterate, you would know that the sentence is written not by the prosecutor but by the judge. Those. the dill court, however, did not satisfy Poklonskaya’s desire to imprison an activist, whom she had requested for 7.5 years.
            2. Xnumx vis
              Xnumx vis 16 October 2017 08: 14 New
              14
              Our Nyasha, Natalya Poklonskaya, does everything right! Remember the beginning of the nineties, the defamation of the army, the Communists, the demeaning role of the Soviet people in world history. To humiliate, trample the unifying bonds of the people. Then it was a party, an army, a joint history of the country. Now Vera (in this case, the Orthodox), the army of the country, a common history (remember the scandals with 28 Panfilov’s, with the siege of Leningrad !!). arranged by liberal agents. To humiliate Faith is the Church. Trying to enter from the other side - Pussy Riot - unbridled dances of hired girls in the church altar,. Defamation of the Saints of the Russian Orthodox Church. In the case of Poklonskaya, this is Nicholas II. Personally, I do not respect the tsar who ruined the Russian Empire. But! He is counted among the saints .. Do not touch! Do not touch people's faith in the good !! Let the better respected citizen, the director Teacher made a film about Gusinsky, Khodorkovsky, Berezovsky, Gorbachev, about their moral character and moral principles. No! It is necessary to douse the feces of the Russian Saint! Natalia Poklonskaya well done!
              1. Gardamir
                Gardamir 16 October 2017 08: 28 New
                13
                Do not touch people's faith in good
                Now millions are being spent on watering slop, Soviet life. You watched films at least about astronauts. And then see how the astronauts themselves comment on this lie.
                And do not lie about the Russian saint.
                1. Xnumx vis
                  Xnumx vis 16 October 2017 08: 34 New
                  +3
                  Where did you see my lie about the Russian saint! In my opinion, I say do not touch the saints recognized by the Russian Orthodox Church!
                  1. Gardamir
                    Gardamir 16 October 2017 08: 38 New
                    +4
                    [quote] [ROC / quote] below I have already expressed my opinion about the ROC, which church are such and saints.
                    1. Xnumx vis
                      Xnumx vis 16 October 2017 08: 45 New
                      +5
                      Do you believe in Yarila and Dazhdbog? Or maybe a Buddhist .. Believe me! This is your sacred right - freedom of religion! But! Do not touch other people's faith! Do not mock at someone else's faith for you!
                      1. Gardamir
                        Gardamir 16 October 2017 08: 49 New
                        +4
                        Do not touch other people's faith!
                        If now within a minute you will answer me by writing "Our Father" I will believe in your faith, otherwise you are the same destroyer as your Nyasha.
                      2. Foximion
                        Foximion 16 October 2017 09: 18 New
                        +5
                        ROC - the largest and most influential religious organization in Russia.

                        You you believe to God or to religion?
                        God has no religion.
                  2. long in stock.
                    long in stock. 16 October 2017 11: 40 New
                    +1
                    well, he’s not a saint ... well, what do you prove with foam at the mouth that you yourself don’t know ... if you believe in something, at least take the trouble to study the subject of your faith. well, look silly.
                2. LSA57
                  LSA57 16 October 2017 08: 43 New
                  +8
                  Quote: Gardamir
                  And then see how the astronauts themselves comment on this lie.

                  a lie that Dzhanibekov and Savinykh did not save the station ?????
                  look it up
                  https://geektimes.ru/post/215627/
                  1. Gardamir
                    Gardamir 16 October 2017 08: 55 New
                    +7
                    a lie that Dzhanibekov and Savinykh did not save the station?
                    and the point you ***** mow? I did not say anything about saving the station. Only Dzhanibekov says that in the film all the bosses constantly yelled and wanted to kill them, but in real life this was not.
                    At the same time, the film "Time of the First" there, General Kamanin proposes to leave the astronauts in orbit. Read Kamanin’s biography and tell me, who is the **** who invented the tale of the general?
                    1. Serg65
                      Serg65 16 October 2017 09: 32 New
                      +4
                      Quote: Gardamir
                      Only Janibekov tells

                      Dear Gardamir, is it a feature film or a documentary? If artistic, then it is no different from films like "Lenin in October" or "Battleship Potemkin"!
                      1. Gardamir
                        Gardamir 16 October 2017 09: 56 New
                        +6
                        Is the film a feature or documentary?
                        You see in creativity there are limits to what is permissible. If the film is about Harry Potter, then he never walks with a flashlight, always with a magic wand.
                        If the film is based on real events, then deviations from reality are minimal. Let’s say a film about abstract flight, abstract astronauts would be shot, then the flight of the scriptwriter's imagination is guaranteed. But if events are shown which, in principle, could not exist in the USSR, then this is already a lie and a rewriting of real events.
                        By the way, here’s another example of a series where they show how six months after Brezhnev’s death, they delay their salaries. But until 1991, salaries were not delayed. never. And there are many such fantasies about the USSR in modern films.
              2. ork_333
                ork_333 16 October 2017 10: 07 New
                +6
                One must not fall into schizophrenia, for starters. She likes Nikolai - this is her personal affair. I do not like the film - also her personal problems. And you do not need to impose your opinion on the whole world, especially taking advantage of your position. And her past is not cloudless. As far as I heard, when she was a prosecutor in Crimea, she participated in the trial of people who did not let Bandera's convoy onto the peninsula. And then it demanded a rather long time for the opponents of fascism.
                1. hrych
                  hrych 16 October 2017 10: 34 New
                  +6
                  Quote: ork_333
                  And you do not need to impose your opinion on the whole world, especially taking advantage of your position.

                  Stop. She is a deputy, is a representative of her voters. Therefore, it has every right to embody their aspirations. If the voters are against, please, she will not go to the representative body for the next term. Although it is necessary for her to replace the medinski drisza because the liberal is still the same and the dirt in the Russian Federation comes from the budget of the Russian Federation. Do not want Nyasha, you can Milonova
                  1. Varyag71
                    Varyag71 16 October 2017 11: 11 New
                    +7
                    What kind of voters? Nobody chose her, but went through the lists.
              3. Evgeny Strygin
                Evgeny Strygin 16 October 2017 11: 15 New
                +4
                the question is not specifically for you, but EVERYTHING. What doused him with? unmarried man had a relationship with a ballerina. End of the world. Well it was like that. I don’t find anything in this, although I don’t like a single citizen Nikolay.
                We have here whoever could be mixed with shit, and a certain insane raised a squeal on the topic ... without a topic. It is not normal.
                Come to your senses.
              4. ID90
                ID90 16 October 2017 12: 50 New
                +3
                Quote: 30 vis
                Natalia Poklonskaya well done!

          2. d ^ Amir
            d ^ Amir 16 October 2017 09: 53 New
            +5
            completely agree with your opinion ... someone leads a very professional PR .... carefully covers with a thick layer of "non-chocolate" Natalya Vladimirovna ....
          3. White and fluffy
            White and fluffy 16 October 2017 12: 14 New
            +3
            The sanctity of Poklonskaya lies in the fact that she is the only person alive to see Nikolai 2 being myrrh-streaming!
        2. Olgovich
          Olgovich 16 October 2017 08: 05 New
          +4
          Quote: Esoteric
          This whole story resembles a certain phantasmagoria and suggests that some parliamentarians Apparently, there is too much free time from the implementation of legislative measures.

          All this suggests that in our society (Russian power structures) a lot of worthless, random people. And some associations are just parasites on the body of the country and bloodsuckers for the budget ...

          The user of the site (!) Alexey Evstratov is NOT a parliamentarian and is NOT a member of the government. He is generally unknown to anyone and, most likely-does not exist.
          Someone is tracking (and most likely CAM and creates) nonsense, like this and has the ability to push it into the media.
          It’s the same as any comment on any site began to be broadcast ..... all famous media. Is it possible? No. But the comments pecking simpletons are provided.

          But the organizers of these provocations are wrong, they will not hurt Natalya. yes
          1. IL-18
            IL-18 16 October 2017 09: 20 New
            +2
            Well, about the impossibility of broadcasting a separate comment, you got excited. Jen Asaki, and after her, too, there were links more than once to what? Right on the comments on social networks. A separate comment or a little bit, the main thing is the context.
        3. The comment was deleted.
      2. Nasrat
        Nasrat 16 October 2017 09: 21 New
        10
        I still don’t understand why they canonized Kolya? And once (under Patriarch Alexy) they refused to canonize .., and Patriarch Kirill canonized .... - there is reason to think! The Russian Orthodox Church does not deny that it canonized Nicholas II not for holy life, but for "holy death." Why does the Russian Orthodox Church not rank the saints of all those who died during Bloody Sunday, when their peaceful procession was shot by the tsarist troops of Nicholas 2!? Weren't they exactly the same passion-bearers !? Moreover, looking at the paintings written by eyewitnesses of the events, one can see that many of them died with icons in their hands, that is, following the canons of the Russian Orthodox Church they were holy martyrs - people who found themselves in a situation of choice between life and fidelity to Christ, chose fidelity to God and lost their lives ....
        1. avt
          avt 16 October 2017 10: 22 New
          +7
          Quote: Nasr
          I still don’t understand - why was Kolya canonized?

          Is it hard to ask a googel? This was the main requirement of the Russian Orthodox Church when combined with the Russian Orthodox Church. Here, for the sake of this event, they threw a bone, leaves of acacia of white emigration ". Well, now the process has gone with the debilitation of the population," deeper "- a sect of tsarebozhiks has appeared and" Nyasha "has become the prosecutor of their synod. I fully admit that her Hohenzauilers - Bagratuni-Kirillovich anointed this in Crimea.
      3. datura23
        datura23 16 October 2017 11: 33 New
        +2
        you are my friend, sick, darkness is in your soul and demons live there
        1. avt
          avt 16 October 2017 11: 47 New
          +2
          Quote: datura23
          you are my friend, sick, darkness is in your soul and demons live there

          That's for me
          How are you serving the king to the petition, serf ?!
          But actually
          Whose will you be, whose serf I ask.
          Well, the Hohenzoylerbagratunikyrilovich, with whom Igor Chubais worn in the 90s, or with the novels, which shared the inheritance after the funeral? Or maybe the newcomers from Belkovsky with his Michael Kentsky? Well, that rally in Zavidovo on old Bentles hit to EBN in the 90s. The Tsar’s Orthodox contender is also quite
          Oh, it's hard for me! Say again, are you not a demon?
          bully Just a tsarebozhik?
          1. Krabik
            Krabik 16 October 2017 12: 39 New
            +5
            In general, I don’t go to church. I have a feeling that this is the abode of demons that dwell in the souls of people ...
            1. White and fluffy
              White and fluffy 16 October 2017 13: 21 New
              +1
              It doesn’t matter if you go to church or not, but the Spirit of God, like the wind flies wherever it wants, is in you and on you. Literally with John the Evangelist.
              1. Krabik
                Krabik 16 October 2017 13: 25 New
                0
                Do you know the difference between a sect and a church?
                1. ID90
                  ID90 16 October 2017 14: 52 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Krabik
                  Do you know the difference between a sect and a church?

                  But are there any differences?
                  1. Krabik
                    Krabik 16 October 2017 14: 58 New
                    +4
                    Obviously there is.

                    The sect is small and has no support from the state, and the church is a sect at the state level.

                    Our ROC, in addition to the demonic ways of worshiping the Jewish dead who once lived in the BV, still glorifies the monsters that destroyed the Russian people in huge numbers.

                    And when the Slavs worshiped the sun ...
                    1. ID90
                      ID90 16 October 2017 15: 11 New
                      0
                      Quote: Krabik
                      and the church is a sect at the state level.

                      but still a sect.
                      1. Krabik
                        Krabik 16 October 2017 15: 24 New
                        +3
                        In Soviet times, the state conquered the minds and souls of people by building a bright future.
                        The conquest of space.
                        The leader, although he was not perfect, but at least he had his own - this is me about Lenin.

                        And now the state has slipped to the conquest of the minds of its fellow citizens of the illegitimate Jewish dead with the promise of a better life after death.
                        Tipo die and live better.

                        That’s how I couldn’t understand our society’s moral decline ?!
      4. stas
        stas 16 October 2017 12: 17 New
        +2
        You blaspheme, Poklonskaya is excusable, she’s nuts, it’s not good to make fun of a patient.
        1. Krabik
          Krabik 16 October 2017 15: 03 New
          +3
          I suppose that Poklonskaya just gets her bonuses for such behavior, not for nothing that she met with a candidate for the Russian monarchy in Crimea.

          If simple, she gets paid for it.
      5. Krabik
        Krabik 16 October 2017 12: 37 New
        0
        Why a cat, not a cat ?!
      6. ioann1
        ioann1 17 October 2017 15: 10 New
        0
        declare yourself what you want, but just remember, the Court is ahead, and you collect coal for your head! God gives the following command: “Do not touch My anointed ones and My prophets do not do evil” (Psalm 104:15) It is difficult to go against the prick.
    2. Finches
      Finches 16 October 2017 07: 21 New
      17
      We are laughing from Ukraine, but we have idioism no less ... especially on the sidelines of the authorities! laughing
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 16 October 2017 07: 23 New
        +4
        Zyablitsov Today, 07: 21 ↑
        We are laughing from Ukraine, but we have idioism no less ... especially on the sidelines of the authorities!

        ... this "good" is enough for us ...
      2. Kenxnumx
        Kenxnumx 16 October 2017 07: 31 New
        +6
        You idiocy is the norm of life and we have an unfortunate deviation. Although lately we are getting closer
        1. Komsomol
          Komsomol 16 October 2017 07: 34 New
          +5
          Blinded a super old from what was ... But it was-it ...
          1. IL-18
            IL-18 16 October 2017 09: 54 New
            +5
            If you compared Poklonskaya with what it was, then write directly. Although, she is a stubborn woman, suddenly, someone will show her your comment.
            If some director took up a film about an Orthodox saint, he had to prepare for an appropriate reaction. He could have made a film about the king as a loving husband and father, but he chose the theme of "left relations", archives not confirmed or confirmed, it does not matter. A film about a canonized saint, resonance is already ensured by the personality displayed in the film. So, on stage 148 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, this director has already worked out. I can’t pretend to say that the director was thinking of showing the Orthodox something, because I know the parable of the stone that could be thrown at Christ, but without sin, I had to think. And I'm on the side of Natalia Poklonskaya. For each of us will be asked in full for any violation of the law, than A. Teacher is better? The woman showed integrity as a lawyer.
            1. Finches
              Finches 16 October 2017 11: 48 New
              +7
              I will express this point of view - on the contrary, the relationship of the king-rag with the ballerina, this is probably the only truly male act of Nicholas for the entire reign ...
              1. skylare
                skylare 16 October 2017 12: 25 New
                +3
                The only truly masculine act of the last emperor is that he, having ascended the throne as a colonel, resolutely refused the offer of court good-willed men to raise himself up to the general “for solidity”. Although Alexander the Second Liberator is not known for what military operations he calmly raised himself to the rank of Field Marshal.
                1. Finches
                  Finches 16 October 2017 12: 28 New
                  +2
                  Well, that means two manly deeds ... laughing hi
            2. Krabik
              Krabik 16 October 2017 12: 53 New
              +3
              The ROC discredited itself by such an act declaring the damned Nicholas 2 saints.

              And to hide their rotten dealings under article 148 leads to even more discrediting the judicial system, which is already rotten through and through.
            3. White and fluffy
              White and fluffy 16 October 2017 13: 40 New
              +1
              Stop, well, Nicholas 2 is a saint by received death.
              All actions in life are reset to zero. Left-wing adventures in family life. Giving back, orders to shoot citizens seeking justice are rejected. Remains a martyr's death. And it doesn’t matter whether he sinned or not
              1. avt
                avt 16 October 2017 14: 31 New
                0
                Quote: White and Fluffy
                Well, Nicholas 2 is a saint for accepted death.

                wassat Really
                Quote: White and Fluffy
                Stop

                Because at best, a martyr.
                Quote: White and Fluffy
                All actions in life are reset to zero.

                bully Dear saints! Yes, here we have the whole Christ painted! Well, actually the one with the second coming and the Last Judgment! bully
                Quote: White and Fluffy
                And it doesn’t matter whether he sinned or not

                wassat Well this is real fool ...... with a complete lack of knowledge of the materiel in the form of the Bible. You are somehow more accurate .. otherwise it’s not so long
                but I feel - I’m already walking along the blade of a knife: I forgot the alphabet, I remembered only two cases ... And I ask my friends, So that whoever they are, Pick him up, he will leave me!
      3. Evgeny Strygin
        Evgeny Strygin 16 October 2017 11: 17 New
        +1
        fraternal peoples to their full height.
        Like two drops of water - they just went into the gap so far. Catching up with nothing.
      4. avt
        avt 16 October 2017 11: 53 New
        +4
        Quote: Finches
        We are laughing from Ukraine, but we have idioism no less ... especially on the sidelines of the authorities!

        request So, too, “Aum Sinreoke” got to such a level in the 90s - daragaya’s mother! Do you think the adherents have merged? Yes, the same Dianetics-Saenitology and other Jehovah’s Witnesses have fallen asleep and they have merged with the court decision to ban? By the way, the same Dianetics in Moscow they started closing when they really started filing cases for the security forces through their agents. In Ukraine, it was so unlimited among the sectarians! I wrote here in disputes with kiyans here in 2013, guys! You have a sick city judging by the percentage of loonies on the streets! Passed mercilessly-Elena can confirm, and now the foreigners-people put Ruin in the ratings in first place for mental illness! request Direct consequence. And we have grown up a generation of not frightened idiots with a virgin brain who do not remember the Sabbaths of Chumak, Kashpirovsky and Globe. What is worth one, the battle of psychics "!
    3. Blombir
      Blombir 16 October 2017 07: 34 New
      10
      I propose to canonize all Duma leaders. It is advisable during life to have time to enjoy. Why, sorry or what? Then, when grunted, immediately, guaranteed to the kingdom of heaven. They will be sitting in a white coat in a cloud, playing hussle on the harp. Forever! All the Duma kagal! And rightly so!
      1. albert
        albert 16 October 2017 17: 36 New
        +1
        Quote: Blombir
        Then, when grunted, immediately, guaranteed to the kingdom of heaven.

        Grunted right away, it means to bring the entire Duma to the Butovo training ground and shoot? laughing laughing
    4. svp67
      svp67 16 October 2017 07: 47 New
      +6
      Quote: aszzz888
      ... got it with N. Poklonskaya ... let them figure it out among themselves ...

      Sorry, but her recent statements and actions make her pay attention to. For good, she would quietly accept the scheme quietly and go to nuns, and already have a career in the Russian Orthodox Church ...
      Or already initiate the creation of our Orthodox Democratic Party
      1. zoolu350
        zoolu350 16 October 2017 08: 11 New
        +4
        I think it’s time for the nanny to marry, let him pass on the genes of beauty to his possible daughter and fulfill his natural destiny, otherwise it would send some kind of twists and turns of a healthy religious and monarchical nature.
      2. Viktor.12.71
        Viktor.12.71 16 October 2017 08: 43 New
        +1
        Quote: svp67
        Orthodox Democratic Party

        One contradicts the other.
        1. svp67
          svp67 16 October 2017 10: 34 New
          +3
          Quote: Viktor.12.71
          One contradicts the other.

          Why? There are Christian Democrats, Liberal Democrats ....
          1. Viktor.12.71
            Viktor.12.71 16 October 2017 11: 30 New
            +2
            Quote: svp67
            Why? There are Christian Democrats, Liberal Democrats ....

            There is no freedom of choice in religion.
        2. Freeman
          Freeman 16 October 2017 12: 23 New
          0
          Quote: Viktor.12.71
          Quote: svp67
          Orthodox Democratic Party

          One contradicts the other.

          Not at all. The most famous two parties in Germany
          - Christian Democratic Union of Germany (CDU) and the Christian Social Union (CSU).
      3. Galleon
        Galleon 16 October 2017 09: 58 New
        +2
        Perhaps you wanted to write "The Orthodox Monarchist Party"?
        1. Viktor.12.71
          Viktor.12.71 16 October 2017 11: 32 New
          +1
          Quote: Galleon
          Orthodox Monarchist Party

          I don’t even know what this could lead to if such a party comes to power in a certain amount of time. Flowers will definitely not smell.
          1. Galleon
            Galleon 16 October 2017 13: 55 New
            +3
            Yes, this will be stupidity alone. The idea is not very popular, therefore, power cannot be achieved with such an idea. Inactive dreamers of noble titles would have gathered in it. And that’s all. But such thoughts roam in a certain part of the “proletarians of mental labor,” but this does not develop above some marginal societies. But about flowers - on the contrary. The figure of the monarch is a figure reconciling everyone. It is she who smells of flowers in nations, and not a separate party. There is only such a nuance: the president can be a monkey in the service of capital, and the monarch is unlikely.
      4. Evgeny Strygin
        Evgeny Strygin 16 October 2017 11: 21 New
        +4
        we have chaplin and eteo all sorts of it already. Maybe we’ll start picking fools?
        Even me, an atheist, are scared to watch it. We confidently repeat the beginning of the twentieth century, followed by shouts from those involved in the church, "and what for us ?!". And given the modern clergy (not all of course), it cries and faster and brighter.
      5. White and fluffy
        White and fluffy 16 October 2017 13: 47 New
        0
        Good idea. Behind the back of the Orthodox Democratic Party will be God Himself.
        1. Galleon
          Galleon 16 October 2017 14: 57 New
          +2
          Especially for dreamers of "blissful" politics:
          Gospel of Luke, chap. 12 vv. 13-15: One of the people said to him: Teacher! tell my brother to share the inheritance with me. He told the man to that; Who set me to judge or divide you? He said to them: look, beware of covetousness, for a person’s life does not depend on the abundance of his estate.
    5. Gardamir
      Gardamir 16 October 2017 08: 21 New
      +1
      let there
      Where is there? On the moon? On Mars? It all happens here where we live.
    6. Maz
      Maz 16 October 2017 08: 53 New
      +4
      Find her a man so that he doesn’t let him out of bed and everything will be fine with her, so they only rage with loneliness, they haven’t married yet, and all the women around are lawful men.
    7. Vend
      Vend 16 October 2017 10: 25 New
      +1
      It just so happened that for some reason recently in Russia only women are capable of something radical. Ms. Nabiulina, the couple did something the men failed. and Mrs. Poklonskaya went against the dirty liberal cinema. And the movie "Matilda." this is just an excuse. That's how I see it, after analyzing the events.
    8. 1 Navigator
      1 Navigator 16 October 2017 13: 06 New
      +2
      I completely agree . We got with this sectarian.
  2. afrikanez
    afrikanez 16 October 2017 06: 51 New
    16
    She would have to cook soup for her husband and not sit in the Duma! "Not a hat for Senka." Well, as for her commitment to the emperor, it already smells like a clinic.
    1. Esoteric
      Esoteric 16 October 2017 07: 08 New
      +4
      Quote: afrikanez
      She should cook soup for her husband ...

      ... give birth to more kids and do household chores. There will be much more sense.
    2. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 16 October 2017 07: 33 New
      +4
      Quote: afrikanez
      She would have to cook soup for her husband and not sit in the Duma!

      So get married! laughing
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 16 October 2017 08: 14 New
        +3
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Quote: afrikanez
        She would have to cook soup for her husband and not sit in the Duma!

        So get married! laughing

        She is not yet married !!!!!! Then everything will form!
      2. afrikanez
        afrikanez 16 October 2017 15: 33 New
        0
        I'm a little old for her. And besides, blondes do not like. stop
    3. 1 Navigator
      1 Navigator 16 October 2017 13: 07 New
      +2
      She needs a man. Man.
  3. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 16 October 2017 06: 51 New
    +8
    From prosecutors and deputies to "saints"?
    This Evstratov prankster and comedian!
    1. Anarchist
      Anarchist 16 October 2017 07: 16 New
      15
      I would say right away that this is the Second Coming! Only in the female endowment.
  4. Nix1986
    Nix1986 16 October 2017 06: 54 New
    +8
    And I thought Ukraine was leading the procession to Durkee, but as you can see, we also become and take the queue :)))
    1. nemec55
      nemec55 16 October 2017 07: 34 New
      +2
      And I thought Ukraine was leading the procession to Durkee, but as you can see, we also become and take the queue :)))

      Our media are filtering such a contingent, and so I think ours has not gone far from the Ukrainian brothers
  5. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 16 October 2017 06: 55 New
    +3
    The dude was trolling, and the province went to write, also in all seriousness. And Natalya Vladimirovna only needs to worry about the appearance of morality, yes.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 16 October 2017 07: 34 New
      0
      Quote: iliitch
      also in all seriousness

      In-in, the realm of the absurd.
  6. Herculesic
    Herculesic 16 October 2017 06: 57 New
    12
    I’ll put a photo of Poklonskaya on the screen saver, and as soon as the smartphone pacifies lol I will personally rank her as a saint wassat
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 16 October 2017 08: 18 New
      +6
      Quote: Herkulesich
      I will personally rank her as a saint

      And many of you have already ranked the father? Can I take a turn?
      Our crowd has nothing sacred for the soul! Ready for anyone, just carry something on their hands, and then mix with mud. Hero Strelkova, with whom it all began in the Donbass, is now kicked unless lazy! But there was a thing, they were admired, just like Poklonskaya, at one time. So after all, he will reach Putin over time, if he only leaves the government. The whole aura of adoration will fly away immediately. We love to kick a dead lion!
      1. avt
        avt 16 October 2017 12: 07 New
        +4
        Quote: Stas157
        Hero Strelkova, with whom it all began in the Donbass, is now kicked unless lazy!

        bully Nothing in the same media and TV in particular was FIRST Bolotov? And then MK took up the promotion of Girkin ,, Strelka. When ,, Bes "also entered Gorlovka, remember reluctance? And under whom is Slavyansk now, and who is Gorlovka continuing the Bezler’s business, is there no desire to refresh? Adherents of the sect ,, arrow "- reconstruction plum ala Denikin
        . All those who walked honestly with me in a difficult struggle - a deep bow.
        , cry about Bezler, Bolotov lack of time?
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 16 October 2017 12: 33 New
          +4
          Quote: avt
          avt
          I do not want to get into a discussion with you who was the first Bolotov or Strelkov. The fact is that Strelkova was first idolized, and then smeared. Mrs. Poklonskaya - too! I believe that it is impossible to relate to those people who left a mark and brought it into the history of Russia.
        2. 72jora72
          72jora72 16 October 2017 13: 18 New
          +2
          [quoteWhen ,, Bes "also entered Gorlovka, reluctant to remember?] [/ quote] Yes, we all remember, and how we took cool cars away from people, and how, instead of taking Artemovsk and Soledar to take, Khodokovsky butted .... ............... and the boatswain was engaged in the defense of Gorlovka (who had not long since lost his eye after a serious wound), and Bezler was not in the city at that time.
          Psi. We remember a lot of things ......
      2. Freeman
        Freeman 16 October 2017 12: 37 New
        +1
        Stas157 Today, 08:18
        Our crowd has nothing sacred for the soul! Ready for anyone, just carry something on their hands, and then mix with mud. Hero Strelkova, with whom it all began in the Donbass, is now kicked unless lazy! But there was a thing, they were admired, just like Poklonskaya, at one time. So after all, he will reach Putin over time, if he only leaves the government. The whole aura of adoration will fly away immediately. We love to kick a dead lion!

        Sic transit gloria mundi (from lat. - “So worldly glory passes”)

        Threat. To these "classical" verses, "people" actively write a sequel, you can "google".
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 16 October 2017 12: 49 New
          +4
          Quote: Freeman
          Sic transit gloria mundi (from lat. - “So worldly glory passes”)

          Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye! Cool song. I have not heard before. Thank.
  7. populist
    populist 16 October 2017 06: 57 New
    +1
    It is worthy. laughing
    Earlier in the dark ages, all sorts of “righteous and evil fighters” were honored, but now why not? wassat wassat wassat
  8. Moore
    Moore 16 October 2017 06: 58 New
    +2
    This whole story resembles a certain phantasmagoria and suggests that some parliamentarians, apparently, have too much time free from the implementation of legislative measures

    And also about the fact that a compulsory examination for mental health is still necessary ...
  9. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 16 October 2017 06: 58 New
    +7
    Yes, there’s just a clinic. She dragged a woman into a whirlpool, but smart and beautiful are not synonyms. She was simply "played" blindly, and she was seduced ... now everyone trolls her, both left and right ... A politician, like a sapper, is mistaken SO only once ...
    1. Serg65
      Serg65 16 October 2017 07: 08 New
      +6
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      now everyone is trolling it, both left and right

      yes This is so, and mind you, the company began not only in Poklonskaya, but also in Chalom !!!
    2. BARKHAN
      BARKHAN 16 October 2017 09: 46 New
      +4
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      She was simply "played" blindly, and she was led.

      Most likely this is the case. All the chatter and balobol about her deeds come down to her appearance and sex. And nobody really understands that she really fights with the Satanists. Why did this provocateur director get into this topic to incite religious hatred. cultural officials? Why is the ROC silent? Now let's imagine for a second that the film is about a Muslim shrine ... Ramzanka would have gathered a million circumcised under the Kremlin walls ... And our men go damn and giggle. The last time when Russia was ruining temples the country washed with the blood of tens of millions.
      1. Freeman
        Freeman 16 October 2017 13: 30 New
        +3
        BARKHAN Today, 09:46
        Why did this provocateur director get on this topic? To rekindle religious hatred. Where did culture officials look? Why is the ROC silent? Now let's imagine for a moment that the film is about a Muslim shrine ... Ramzanka would have gathered a million cropped under the walls of the Kremlin ...

        All the "squeals" of the current "PGM-unclear" from the elementary sexual... (pah) ... religious illiteracy.
        All of their knowledge of Orthodoxy boils down to the fact that they were told by the "grandmothers" who collect "alms" at the cemetery fence - "They already know that ..."
        Ага. lol
        I imagine how “bombing” these “believers” would be if a film was made about the holy Equal-to-the-Apostles Princess Olga - about the period of her life when she was still in paganism.
        By the way, her "life" is precisely based on the opposition of cruelty to her being a pagan (revenge on the Drevlyans) and her "apostolic ministry" after baptism.
        So what is so outraging the current zealots of the "holy martyr"? After all, Nicholas received "the remission of his sins - for his death."
        1. BARKHAN
          BARKHAN 16 October 2017 16: 48 New
          +2
          Quote: Freeman
          So what is so outraging the current zealots of the "holy martyr"? After all, Nicholas received "the remission of his sins - for his death."

          The question is not even in Nikolai. I do not like him at all, but this is my personal opinion, maybe not right ... I keep it to myself. Another thing is the ROC. Once canonized, defend. Well, the director was just a shit. He knew perfectly well , where it climbs and what it will cause. I needed PR on a scandal. People already, like something, got used to porn in the movies and on the stage, to fagots on the stage and the crowd of perverts. Something is wrong with us ... It's a pity . The ancients said ... "If you want to destroy a nation, corrupt its women." Regarding Olga ... Yes, of course history is tin. Well, what about St. Paul? As a militant Pharisee, Saul participated in the persecution of the first Christians. But then ... Everyone has his own way.
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 16 October 2017 20: 06 New
            0
            Quote: Barkhan
            I needed PR on the scandal.

            and the worship made him
            one more work is immediately remembered - the “Gulag Archipelago” a mediocre lie, but propiarized by a lock
            1. BARKHAN
              BARKHAN 17 October 2017 08: 15 New
              +2
              If the prosecutor’s office and the ministry of culture worked at the request of the deputy, as expected, the creators of the movie shit would simply throw money away. And PR, the liberals in all walks of life just inflated.
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 17 October 2017 08: 27 New
                0
                Quote: Barkhan
                If the prosecutor’s office and the ministry of culture worked at the request of the deputy

                the prosecutor’s office did not find anything
                1. BARKHAN
                  BARKHAN 17 October 2017 18: 31 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Quote: Barkhan
                  If the prosecutor’s office and the ministry of culture worked at the request of the deputy

                  the prosecutor’s office did not find anything

                  This is because the Russian Orthodox Church shamefully remained silent.
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 17 October 2017 18: 56 New
                    0
                    what was she silent about?
                    and in general, on what basis can the Russian Orthodox Church intervene in the affairs of the prosecutor's office? !!
              2. long in stock.
                long in stock. 17 October 2017 09: 55 New
                0
                including our money ..
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 17 October 2017 10: 58 New
                  0
                  Quote: long in stock.
                  including our money ..

                  what are your
                  1. long in stock.
                    long in stock. 17 October 2017 17: 44 New
                    0
                    budget .. what else .. or are you not paying taxes?
                    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 17 October 2017 19: 12 New
                      0
                      violations in the use of funds were found? !!!
                      not?!
                      these are questions not to the Teacher, but to the Ministry of Culture, not to allocate figs to all nonsense, and even if given and spent as intended, this is not a crime
                2. BARKHAN
                  BARKHAN 17 October 2017 17: 54 New
                  +1
                  Quote: long in stock.
                  including our money ..

                  Or maybe just stop giving money for dubious projects. Budget money should go only to children's and patriotic cinema. Let the rest invest themselves. Well, and the people will "vote" in rubles.
                  1. long in stock.
                    long in stock. 18 October 2017 07: 56 New
                    0
                    But how do we do it?
                  2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 18 October 2017 12: 45 New
                    0
                    Quote: Barkhan
                    Or maybe just stop giving money

                    this is a completely different question and the worship just didn’t raise it
  10. Herculesic
    Herculesic 16 October 2017 06: 59 New
    +6
    So the farce begins - someone manipulates it successfully! In Crimea, there was a place for her as a prosecutor, and I'm sorry in the Duma, she herself allowed herself to be a clowness and a puppet! !!
  11. andrewkor
    andrewkor 16 October 2017 07: 03 New
    +4
    So she was nice to me when she worked in the Crimea, and in Japan she simply became a cult person! Look at what Moscow is doing with people, just wonder how the person has changed! Or maybe it’s used for someone’s purposes, also an option!
  12. Serg65
    Serg65 16 October 2017 07: 03 New
    +7
    Petition author states

    I have developed a strong suspicion that as soon as Poklonskaya became a State Duma deputy, someone started a secret game to discredit it. Moreover, Poklonskaya by misunderstanding herself plays along with her enemies wassat
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 16 October 2017 07: 35 New
      +6
      Quote: Serg65
      as soon as Poklonskaya became a State Duma deputy, someone started a secret game to discredit her.

      Well no! rather, someone, having felt for her vulnerability (religiosity), began subtly to play on it. I won’t be surprised if something happens to her, and this will be exposed as yet another claim to power.
      1. Serg65
        Serg65 16 October 2017 09: 35 New
        +5
        Quote: Egoza
        I won’t be surprised if something happens to her, and this will be exposed as yet another claim to power.

        I agree, it may well be so, only the stupid does not see how the attack on the participants of the Russian Spring began wassat
        1. Xnumx vis
          Xnumx vis 17 October 2017 14: 52 New
          +1
          Chaly is quietly poisoned. And the 35th battery, raised by him at his own expense, they tried to build up the 35th battery territory with cottages and mansions. Sea, Near, you see !! The mansions and cottages on the bones of the dead soldiers did not bother them. But now !!! .. 35 the battery now, as it were, does not work correctly! Sailors come to take the oath. And these friends of America "in the cemetery, the military are engaged in idolatry" .. Or the Youth arranges musical evenings of patriotic music - "The Sabbath and Bacchanalia disturb the peace of the deceased .." And in general, "Chaly betrayed Sevastopol" The main thing is to turn concepts .. and their curators .. The attack on Russia is in full swing .. And we, to put it mildly not smart, are full of us. Gorlopanov is not smart enough.
  13. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 16 October 2017 07: 16 New
    +4
    Natalia Poklonskaya to the “face of the saints”

    In my opinion, the guy (Alexei Evstratov) has an unrequited love for this lady on the verge of manic. He urgently needs to be shown to a psychiatrist.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 16 October 2017 07: 36 New
      +1
      Freud is our everything! wassat
  14. Lganhi
    Lganhi 16 October 2017 07: 22 New
    +3
    Is Nyasha a virgin?
    1. zoolu350
      zoolu350 16 October 2017 08: 14 New
      0
      With such beauty is unlikely.
    2. reservist
      reservist 16 October 2017 10: 55 New
      +1
      Poklonskaya has a daughter, Anastasia.
      I don’t know about Nyasha
  15. bober1982
    bober1982 16 October 2017 07: 33 New
    +2
    This "initiative" was launched by completely non-stupid people, they know what they are doing - a special operation is called under the code name "Matilda", an old friend of the Russian Church, Mr. Brzezinski (now deceased), would highly appreciate such an "initiative."
  16. Socialism 2.0
    Socialism 2.0 16 October 2017 07: 37 New
    +1
    Noble banter. However, everyone needs to leave Poklonskaya alone and she too calm down.
  17. Altona
    Altona 16 October 2017 07: 39 New
    +4
    Quote: Lgankhi
    Is Nyasha a virgin?

    ------------------------
    And does she have a child from the immaculate conception?
    1. long in stock.
      long in stock. 16 October 2017 07: 50 New
      +4
      I can confidently say only one thing, it’s not me ...
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 16 October 2017 07: 53 New
        +1
        I can confidently say only one thing, it’s not me ...


        Yes, there is a whole queue for DNA analysis ... smile
        1. long in stock.
          long in stock. 16 October 2017 11: 48 New
          +1
          stupid .. also sue alimony can ..
  18. mag nit
    mag nit 16 October 2017 07: 40 New
    +4
    Maybe first for compulsory treatment, and then to the "saints"?
  19. Altona
    Altona 16 October 2017 07: 41 New
    +9
    Quote: 2.0 Socialism
    Noble banter. However, everyone needs to leave Poklonskaya alone and she too calm down.

    ----------------------------
    Natasha should be engaged in her direct duties, and not advertise her love for the deceased and the same married citizen of the king. She needs a normal guy to deal with her conjugal duty properly, and then the shifts in the hormonal background in her psyche are strongly given in.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 16 October 2017 10: 56 New
      +3
      I have the same impression ...
  20. Same lech
    Same lech 16 October 2017 07: 42 New
    +3
    On the basis of love for Nikolai 2, an unhealthy interest arose in part of our society ...

    smacks of schizophrenia ...
    Poklonskaya, as a pop GAPON, throws firewood into a bonfire ... it would be necessary for this beauty to calm down.
  21. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 16 October 2017 07: 44 New
    +2
    We’re on the Ukrainian petitions, but they themselves have the same thing.

    It’s time to start up the Internet only upon presentation of a certificate from a psychiatrist.
  22. Alsur
    Alsur 16 October 2017 08: 06 New
    +3
    Quote: Komsomol
    Blinded a super old from what was ... But it was-it ...

    Clearly, you are molded of pure gold. Man is the shining peak. Not that Poklonskaya. You, like Hercules, probably only exploit. Publicize them, it would be interesting to listen. But in my opinion, a person in absentia pouring mud on another does not deserve respect, first of all, himself.
  23. cedar
    cedar 16 October 2017 08: 08 New
    +6
    Custom article without signature, provocative from beginning to end. According to the author, the provocateur, a certain "Alexei Evstratov proposes to the Russian Orthodox Church to rank the deputy of the State Duma of the Russian Federation Natalia Poklonskaya to the" face of saints. "
    Apparently, the Russian Orthodox Church gave a soft, appealing answer to this Evstratov, but the ancestor provocateur turned this answer to the Russian Orthodox Church so that it supposedly concerns Poklonskaya’s personality. Judging by the comments, many happily pecked and once again fell for chewed by different teachers ... and provocateurs the bait with the name Poklonskaya.
    Meanwhile, Poklonskaya will give odds to any of us, because she really defends what is precious and sacred to her, and this is what infuriates a type of teacher, his sponsors and lawyers ... the devil.
    See at the root, dear. The information-psychological war is in full swing.
  24. bober1982
    bober1982 16 October 2017 08: 11 New
    +1
    They shut up about the "Orthodox" terrorists (everything looked too stupid and provocative), now they have pulled out into the light of God nobody (with "initiative"), literally, and begin to habitually yell-you won’t understand what.
    In the CIA, people also work out their bread, come up with new initiatives.
  25. Alsur
    Alsur 16 October 2017 08: 19 New
    +1
    Quote: Egoza
    Quote: Serg65
    as soon as Poklonskaya became a State Duma deputy, someone started a secret game to discredit her.

    Well no! rather, someone, having felt for her vulnerability (religiosity), began subtly to play on it. I won’t be surprised if something happens to her, and this will be exposed as yet another claim to power.

    Discredit - yes, and it’s clear for whom it is, like a red rag, for a bull. But kill, to discredit the Russian authorities-no. In this case, there will likely be a murder, similar to the murder of Olesya Elder - senseless and cruel, maybe even blatantly cruel. But criminals will be found if they are not immediately killed by customers. Of course, the shadow will fall on the authorities - they did not save.
  26. Gardamir
    Gardamir 16 October 2017 08: 36 New
    +8
    First, the joint action of the Nyasha and the Teacher is designed to distract the people from the centenary of the revolution. And at the same time to magnify the Bloody. You see, the church made him a saint. Which church? Surely the one who, having forgotten about God, worships Mammon!
    How many films were made both anti-Russian and anti-Soviet. But try getting excited like Nyasha, instantly there is an article.
  27. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 16 October 2017 08: 40 New
    +1
    insanity grew
  28. Satum
    Satum 16 October 2017 08: 48 New
    0
    Then you can ask the worshiper for health, since another saint can’t cope wassat
  29. Alsur
    Alsur 16 October 2017 08: 48 New
    +1
    Quote: bober1982
    the old friend of the Russian Church, Mr. Brzezinski (now deceased), would highly appreciate such an “initiative”.

    This is the reason for the fright, the Catholic Pole, became a friend of the Russian Church. And what kind of RC, ROC or ROCOR do you mean or otherwise?
    1. CT-55_11-9009
      CT-55_11-9009 16 October 2017 09: 42 New
      +1
      This late creep is not a friend, but a "friend."
    2. bober1982
      bober1982 16 October 2017 10: 10 New
      0
      Brzezinski was afraid of the Russian Orthodox Church, and therefore respected.
      ROCOR is a self-governing Church within the Moscow Patriarchate.
      1. long in stock.
        long in stock. 16 October 2017 11: 45 New
        +1
        strange conclusion .. if they are afraid it doesn’t mean respect. they can just hate ..
        1. bober1982
          bober1982 16 October 2017 11: 57 New
          0
          I will not argue
  30. bald
    bald 16 October 2017 08: 50 New
    +1
    The usual way of discrediting, at least somehow it is necessary to annoy and quarrel, is what they are trying.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 16 October 2017 09: 15 New
      +1
      Quote: bald
      The usual way to discredit

      but is there a need? !!!
      aunty copes herself
      1. bald
        bald 16 October 2017 09: 30 New
        0
        It acts boldly - someone does not like it, so they are trying to discredit, well, in a very dirty way, through the church.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 16 October 2017 10: 42 New
          +2
          Quote: bald
          It acts boldly - someone does not like it

          courage and stupid stubbornness are not the essence of it and the same
      2. Victor-M
        Victor-M 16 October 2017 12: 47 New
        0
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        Quote: bald
        The usual way to discredit

        but is there a need? !!!
        aunty copes herself

        It can’t do without your help. One idiot will spoil the air, while others carry.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 16 October 2017 14: 06 New
          +1
          Well, the air she spoiled cool
  31. Altona
    Altona 16 October 2017 08: 52 New
    +3
    Quote: bober1982
    They shut up about the "Orthodox" terrorists (everything looked too stupid and provocative), now they have pulled out into the light of God nobody (with "initiative"), literally, and begin to habitually yell-you won’t understand what.

    ------------------------------
    If you open up the ins and outs with "Orthodox" terrorists, then Natasha will generally act in an unsightly role as the instigator of another anti-Russian extremist project. Moreover, these "Orthodox" activists come from Ukraine.
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 16 October 2017 09: 38 New
      +1
      Quote: Altona
      these "Orthodox" activists

      You have correctly indicated that these citizens belong to Orthodoxy, that is, they are provocateurs. And where does Poklonskaya? And what kind of Natasha is she? What an ugly manner.
  32. stolz
    stolz 16 October 2017 08: 53 New
    +3
    Quote: 30 vis
    It is necessary to douse the feces of the Russian Saint! Natalia Poklonskaya well done!

    Insanity grows stronger, the Motherland needs heroes, and obscurantists, clickers and fanatics come to the fore. All these are the consequences of the inability to walk in combat, it is necessary for the deputies of the State Duma to introduce compulsory drill training.
  33. Xnumx vis
    Xnumx vis 16 October 2017 08: 56 New
    +1
    GardamirNext, what to do order! Take off your pants running around the monument to Admiral Nakhimov !! ?
  34. Alsur
    Alsur 16 October 2017 08: 59 New
    +3
    Quote: Stolz
    Quote: 30 vis
    It is necessary to douse the feces of the Russian Saint! Natalia Poklonskaya well done!

    Insanity grows stronger, the Motherland needs heroes, and obscurantists, clickers and fanatics come to the fore. All these are the consequences of the inability to walk in combat, it is necessary for the deputies of the State Duma to introduce compulsory drill training.

    Stolz, what did you forget at the Russian forum. Go deal with Ferguson, demolition of monuments to the Confederates, state nationalists and increase the reliability of all state systems from Russian intervention, darn the electoral system. You have plenty of cases.
  35. Alex66
    Alex66 16 October 2017 09: 06 New
    +2
    And why is advanced society annoying Nicholas II? Previously, Ivan the Terrible strained them, Stalin and Lenin also strain them. They feel threatened by the last tsar, and here they are pouring mud on him together. We must not allow them to make us aware of his role in our history, therefore we are ready to peck Poklonskaya. After all, when Ivan the Terrible is faulty, we already understand that he is a lamb compared to European sovereigns, so what do we trust these slanderers with tales of Nicholas II? It is necessary to understand.
    1. badens1111
      badens1111 16 October 2017 09: 12 New
      +6
      Quote: Alex66
      They feel threatened by the last tsar, and here they are pouring mud on him together.

      Excuse me ... what threat does the most useless tsar have in the Romanov family? The threat is not from him, or from his memory, but from those who, under the brand of "repentance," want to bring the creatures of the West, or Goszk Hohenzollern or Mishka Kent, to it, you need?
      Quote: Alex66
      After all, when Ivan the Terrible is faulty, we already understand that he is a lamb compared to European sovereigns

      Compare Grozny on the affairs of him and Nicholas 2 ... so the comparison is absolutely not in favor of Nikolai 2.
      That's why they beat the sovereigns like Grozny, that of John, that of Joseph, but they whine about the mediocre Nicholas 2.
      Understand .. what? Make sure once again, in the complete mediocrity of Colonel Romanov?
    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 16 October 2017 09: 27 New
      +1
      Quote: Alex66
      We must not allow them to make us aware of his role in our history.

      don't worry realized
      The total population losses during the Civil War amounted to 12-13 million people. Almost half of them are victims of famine and mass epidemics. Mass emigration from Russia took on. About 2 million people left their homeland.

      The country's economy was in a disastrous state. Cities depopulated. Compared to 1913, industrial production fell 5-7 times, agricultural production - by one third.

      The territory of the former Russian Empire fell apart
      1. badens1111
        badens1111 16 October 2017 11: 39 New
        +4
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        don't worry realized

        The consequences of the incompetence of Nicholas 2 and his successors among the temporary, as well as the actions of Bely and ANTANTA. There was no reason to destroy our country, but the losers and their allies, yes, were robbed and destroyed, broken and killed, by principle, not ours, Get out of anyone.
        There is in this material, a screen of one of his ex-sibling ... not worth it to be compared.
        http://artyushenkooleg.ru/wp-oleg/archives/7732
        Lenin in July 1918, i.e., in the midst of the onslaught of the interventionists and White Guards from the outside and from the inside, against Soviet Russia, emphasized:
        “From this combined effort of Anglo-French imperialism and the counter-revolutionary Russian bourgeoisie, it flowed that our civil war ... merged with the external war into one indissoluble whole. The kulak rebellion, the Czechoslovak rebellion, the Murmansk movement - this is one war approaching Russia (Lenin, vol. XXIII, p. 160).
        In this war, the Entente played a decisive role. Essentially speaking, it caused a civil war on the large scale in which this war proceeded.

        “World imperialism ... has caused us, essentially speaking, a civil war and is guilty of prolonging it”- Lenin pointed out at the VIII All-Russian Party Conference in December 1919.
        US Army Colonel Morrow, lamenting that his poor soldiers ... "could not sleep without killing anyone that day. When our soldiers captured the Russians, they drove them to the Andriyanovka station, where wagons were unloaded, the prisoners were let down to the huge pits, in which they were shot with machine guns. "

        “The most memorable” for Colonel Morrow was the day “when 1600 people were delivered in 53 wagons.”

        Concentration camps began to be established everywhere, in which about 52 people turned up. There were frequent cases of mass executions, where in one of the surviving sources, the invaders shot about 000 people by decision of the military field courts.

        The occupied lands were used as a "cash cow" - the north of Russia was completely devastated. According to the historian A.V. Berezkina, "the Americans exported 353 poods of flax, tow and tow, and everything that was available in Arkhangelsk in warehouses, and that could be of interest to foreigners, they exported goods worth about 409 pounds a year."

        In the Far East, American interventionists exported timber, furs, and gold. Siberia was torn to pieces by Kolchak, where the Americans sponsored this event for the gold of Tsarist Russia. In addition to outright robbery, American firms received permission from the Kolchak government to carry out trading operations in exchange for loans from City Bank and Guaranty Trust.

        Only one of them, Airington’s company, which received permission to export furs, sent 15 pounds of wool, 730 sheepskins, and 20 large dry skins from Vladivostok to the USA. From the Far East and Siberia they exported everything that represented at least some kind of material value.
        http://ss69100.livejournal.com/3231798.html
  36. Bondik05
    Bondik05 16 October 2017 09: 17 New
    +7
    About Nicholas 2: He is a Passionate - that is the name in the Orthodox Church in general of all Christian martyrs who suffered in the name of Jesus Christ. But mainly this name refers to persons who did not accept the martyrdom for the Christian faith, in contrast to the martyrs and great martyrs, perhaps even from their relatives and co-religionists - because of their malice, self-interest, treachery, conspiracy. Accordingly, in this case, the special character of their feat is emphasized - malice, which is one of the commandments of Jesus Christ.
    The decision of the Russian Orthodox Church in my opinion was highly politicized. During the years of the civil war, every second of those killed was martyred, I’m not talking about the inhabitants of besieged Leningrad. Are they of the wrong origin?
  37. Alsur
    Alsur 16 October 2017 09: 19 New
    +1
    Quote: Nix1986
    And I thought Ukraine was leading the procession to Durkee, but as you can see, we also become and take the queue :)))

    Your Ukraine is in charge, nothing has changed.
  38. Alsur
    Alsur 16 October 2017 09: 24 New
    +1
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    Yes, there’s just a clinic. She dragged a woman into a whirlpool, but smart and beautiful are not synonyms. She was simply "played" blindly, and she was seduced ... now everyone trolls her, both left and right ... A politician, like a sapper, is mistaken SO only once ...

    In my opinion, she did not fall for it. She has her own views. You may not like them, but here it is inflated not with her submission and consent.
  39. Alsur
    Alsur 16 October 2017 09: 27 New
    +2
    Quote: Bondik05
    The decision of the Russian Orthodox Church in my opinion was highly politicized. During the years of the civil war, every second of those killed was martyred, I’m not talking about the inhabitants of besieged Leningrad. Are they of the wrong origin?

    And what do most saints of the ROC have saints of special blood?
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 16 October 2017 10: 03 New
      +3
      And what do most saints of the ROC have saints of special blood?
      By the way, Holy Prince Vladimir is shown in the film as an animal and nothing, there wasn’t any Nyasha-defender on him. Moreover, the saints have ranks, and so Prince Vladimir the Right-Handed, and Nikolai the Passion-bearer. To explain the difference to the local people, it’s the same as Vladimir the general and Nikolai the sergeant. Why did he have special privileges from different Nyash? Or is the matter different?
      1. bober1982
        bober1982 16 October 2017 10: 52 New
        0
        Quote: Gardamir
        By the way, Holy Prince Vladimir is shown in the film as an animal

        Quote: Gardamir
        so here is Prince Vladimir the Righteous

        You are completely confused in Princes Vladimir, and about sergeants and generals you are somehow confused.
        Quote: Gardamir
        Or is the matter different?

        Of course, in another, this is hatred of Russia, of the Russian Church.
        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir 16 October 2017 11: 02 New
          +1
          You are completely confused in princes Vladimir
          Prince Vladimir of Kiev, not Monomakh, what is there to confuse? Sergeants and generals, this is for clarity, so that the rest posing as holiness, it was clear about the ranks of saints.
          And hatred is a question for Nyasha and her curators.
          1. bober1982
            bober1982 16 October 2017 11: 09 New
            0
            You confuse the Kiev prince with the Novgorod prince.
    2. Bondik05
      Bondik05 16 October 2017 10: 05 New
      0
      It is ONLY about Nicholas 2, we will leave the saints and alone. I repeat, I spoke about the controversial, in my opinion, decision of the Russian Orthodox Church.
  40. The comment was deleted.
  41. Enoch
    Enoch 16 October 2017 09: 59 New
    +2
    Railway did not calm down. They want to pour mud on everyone. Thank God that the whole world is not in their power, otherwise it would be creepy.
  42. Alsur
    Alsur 16 October 2017 10: 26 New
    +2
    Quote: Bondik05
    It is ONLY about Nicholas 2, we will leave the saints and alone. I repeat, I spoke about the controversial, in my opinion, decision of the Russian Orthodox Church.

    If you go to the bottom of your question, then to make a decision on canonization, the candidate is considered for compliance with the canons. This is probably obvious. Therefore, find out these canons and some of the questions you have will disappear. For example, why Nicholas II, is counted among the saints, and the inhabitants of Leningrad, who have shown collective courage in the blockade, do not.
  43. Alsur
    Alsur 16 October 2017 10: 32 New
    +1
    Quote: Gardamir
    And what do most saints of the ROC have saints of special blood?
    By the way, Holy Prince Vladimir is shown in the film as an animal and nothing, there wasn’t any Nyasha-defender on him. Moreover, the saints have ranks, and so Prince Vladimir the Right-Handed, and Nikolai the Passion-bearer. To explain the difference to the local people, it’s the same as Vladimir the general and Nikolai the sergeant. Why did he have special privileges from different Nyash? Or is the matter different?


    So the sergeant is not worthy of privileges?
  44. Berkut24
    Berkut24 16 October 2017 10: 36 New
    +2
    Do not make yourself an idol!
    I have vague doubts that Poklonskaya will become a saint faster than Gundyaev ...
  45. stolz
    stolz 16 October 2017 10: 38 New
    +2
    Quote: ALSur

    Stolz, what did you forget at the Russian forum. Go deal with Ferguson, demolition of monuments to the Confederates, state nationalists and increase the reliability of all state systems from Russian intervention, darn the electoral system. You have plenty of cases.

    I explain on the fingers, for the very smart and especially gifted, there is such an anonymizer program called when you turn it on, it changes your location every 10 minutes and, accordingly, the flag in the message. So, uncle, do not be clever, but perceive everything as a gift of God.
  46. Eurodav
    Eurodav 16 October 2017 11: 33 New
    0
    Quote: vearey
    fled to Israel
    To Israel? But why Israel?

    Guess why or explain? What kind of questions are bespontovye?
  47. Fedya2017
    Fedya2017 16 October 2017 11: 36 New
    +5
    Something in Russia, life more and more begins to resemble what happened before the First World War ... Flamboyant luxury and poverty, priests, icons, prosecutors and thieves ... Those same cuts and kickbacks everywhere. A sleepy tsar, a mediocre government and a Duma rabble ... The need for power in a "small victorious war", elites and elites taking their capital abroad. And over all this, clouds of new revolutionaries - terrorists with the Koran, are gathering, instead of Marx’s “Capital” ... And here we are arguing and discussing the activities of the crazy woman prosecutor from the State Duma and her admirers and opponents. Wake up already, citizens ... You no longer have other worries ??!
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 16 October 2017 11: 43 New
      +2
      Dear Fedya 2017, before the revolution of 1917. the army and the police were decomposed, now it is the deserved elite of our state.And this is very good, batons enough for everyone (I mean of course troublemakers and rioters) And this is very good.
      1. Fedya2017
        Fedya2017 16 October 2017 12: 51 New
        +2
        Well, well ... "Blessed are the believers." Hehehehehehehehe !!!!! Laughing is always good ... Thank you.
        1. bober1982
          bober1982 16 October 2017 13: 05 New
          +1
          Rosguard police units arm with ZEUS stun guns
          The latest device combines a whole set of useful functions: a baton, ...........
          Here you are, and hehe hehe.......
          1. albert
            albert 16 October 2017 17: 52 New
            +1
            Quote: bober1982
            police units of the Russian Guard are armed with batons-

            The gendarmerie should not be called the word "guard."
            1. bober1982
              bober1982 16 October 2017 17: 56 New
              0
              Quote: albert
              The gendarmerie should not be called the word "guard."

              One can only sympathize with Sovereign Nicholas II that he did not have a guard, but policemen.
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 16 October 2017 20: 58 New
                0
                Quote: bober1982
                that he didn’t have a guard, but policemen.

                the police had nothing to do with the gendarme corps
            2. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 16 October 2017 20: 58 New
              0
              and why?!!!
              By the way, there is no connection between the Russian Guard in essence (BB) and the Separate Gendarmes
      2. zoolu350
        zoolu350 16 October 2017 16: 36 New
        0
        The cops had enough clubs then, but then (in 1917) conditions were such that the people put these batons to the policemen and their owners somewhere.
        1. bober1982
          bober1982 16 October 2017 17: 57 New
          0
          Quote: zoolu350
          The cops had enough clubs then, but then (in 1917) conditions were such that the people put these batons to the policemen and their owners somewhere.

          They shoved it (the police) when it decomposed, and now these guys - the elite, will shove it themselves.
  48. White and fluffy
    White and fluffy 16 October 2017 12: 08 New
    +2
    That Poklonskaya is sinless is a big question. Man sins not only by word and deed, but also by thoughts. Yes, and the degree of sinfulness or its absence is determined by God with piers at the last, terrible judgment. And this definition is directly related to the second death
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 16 October 2017 12: 15 New
      0
      Quote: White and Fluffy
      with piers

      What do you mean? not quite clear.
      Quote: White and Fluffy
      Man sins not only by word and deed, but also by thoughts.

      But this is good, not in the sense of fornication, but a healthy thought.
  49. stolz
    stolz 16 October 2017 12: 26 New
    +2
    Quote: bober1982
    ... before the revolution of 1917. the army and the police were decomposed, now it is the deserved elite of our state.

    Where does infa come from? The army is an eternally socially offended and unprotected part of society, and the police are yes, the elite. He steals so that the coolest oligarchs did not dream of such incomes, but these are colonels and generals, they are shown only on TV. But it is worth going out in the evening and taking a walk, and even if you drink a little, you are expected to meet with small jackals from this elite who are eager to snatch their piece. True, I always disappointed them: at first I sent, and then presented an identity card with a proposal to deliver me to the military commandant’s office, which has never happened.
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 16 October 2017 12: 31 New
      +1
      You are confusing since 1991.
  50. stolz
    stolz 16 October 2017 12: 40 New
    +1
    Quote: bober1982
    You are confusing since 1991.

    Nothing of the kind, everything is based on personal experience of three days ago. And 1991-93 is really something phenomenal when the cop sergeant, an ordinary street officer, had a monetary allowance greater than the army lieutenant colonel, battalion commander.
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 16 October 2017 12: 48 New
      0
      Quote: Stolz
      And 1991-93 is really something phenomenal

      But 1991 and 1993 are different eras, how can one be compared.
      Quote: Stolz
      ordinary street derzhimorda, had a monetary allowance more than an army lieutenant colonel, battalion commander.

      There was none.