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Monarchist "virus Poklonskaya" and liberal "Chubais syndrome": from one laboratory?

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It so happened that for quite a long time I communicated in letters with representatives of two trends: monarchical and liberal. And he himself appeared to be sort of between them, really between two fires. And the result was a very funny calculations.




Monarchists and liberals: who is more maternalstories valuable?

To paraphrase Mayakovsky, nonetheless. Of course, gentlemen, monarchists live history. It's all clear and transparent. The history of the Russian Empire is the bible of any monarchist. He lives in it. It seems to be nothing so bad about it.

On the one hand, yes. On the other - how to teach everything.

I have long been interested in the question: why did the last emperor suddenly become an icon? Not his grandfather Alexander the Second Liberator (much respect), who, by the way, also moved into another world not on his own will, not father Alexander the Third Peacemaker (generally bow down)?

The answer from the monarchical mass is simple: therefore. Because holy and all. Paws away from the king-father.

Let me quote one of the messages.

“I just uphold his honest name and the honest name of the deceased Russia. And I have every right to do this, because of the dead, either it is good or nothing. This is my position, and I defend it. It is disgusting to me when my lost Fatherland is thrown mud at cannibals, justifying the genocide of the Russian people by industrialization and victory in a war paid for with Russian blood. Ugly.

An interesting point of view. Which, however, does not interfere with watering mud with everything that happened from 1917 to 1991 years.

“I spit on the graves of mass murderers, robbers and rapists, because I don’t consider the history of their atrocities to be my story, because I don’t accept this evil. And I clearly share the history of my people - the people of the people who were robbed, perished, raped, sent for slaughter against an enemy even worse than the Bolsheviks - and the history of their tormentors. ”

Well, at least, thank God, that fascism is worse than Bolshevism. For now at least.

Against whom and for whose interests were sent by Nikolai the Second millions of exactly the same Russian people to the First World War - not discussed. For all that the anointed of God has done is a blessing for Russia. Nevermind.

As I now understand, when a cultural worker does not work, the field is not plowed for a cult worker. And the complete absence of at least some intelligible ideology gives rise to such zombie sectarians from 18 to 40 years old.

Vacuum in the minds must be replaced by something, so it is replaced. The only question is who?

What is most terrible, none of the three of my interlocutors could not answer the amebic question: then what?

Indeed, then what? Well, let's build the church of Nicholas in each city. Okay, no problem. Well, let's start there all together to walk under the watchful eye of the prosecutor's office in general and Poklonskaya in particular. Let's start worshiping and bowing. But then, really, what?

It's nothing.

I received no answer from anyone. Neither intelligible nor any else. The vacuum in the head and the imperial flag - it turns out to be dreary.

Further, insults began in the style of “you are defending your executioners, you have Stockholm syndrome” and the like.

Probably, it is not necessary to say to what generation my frantic interlocutors belonged? That's right, by the very same. Thrown.

Ours including the wine that happened, yes. But at the output, we have not yet received an army, but a certain number of not very smart, but great processed ones. Reserve, so to speak.

Whose? Now we get to this.

But first I touch the liberals. Those.

I agree that if their opinions are listening to something, then half-heartedly. Nevertheless, supporters of Chubais, Yavlinsky, Nemtsov and others still have a place to be. Rather, less than more, but still live.

And, unlike the monarchists, they have a clear understanding for tomorrow. I will not paint, we all know that to whom Chubais should belong and where those who “would not fit into the market” should have gone to. Also a very good strategy.

But the liberals called idiots for some reason does not rise language. They have a goal, building a society in the American way and likeness, they have a program. But they really did not work out in a particular country taken.

Democratization, final and merciless, still did not take place. Razderbanit all failed. And what's more, the American-style liberals, that is, “have not taken root”. Nobody has a chance to climb up.

But you have to do something?

No, this is not a fairy tale about the fact that monarchists are the next in line crowd, no. Although both liberals and monarchists have one thing in common which makes one think.

Both the first and second with the same pleasure spit in the Soviet past of the country. Here in this, albeit under different flags, but they are one. Everything that was under the Soviet Union was wrong, disgusting, must be abused, forgotten, and so on.

You say: what wound up, scoop?

Are there any options? Do not start? Yes of course. So that some sucker would tell me how my great-grandfathers, grandfathers, and father did everything wrong? Oh yes, I heard enough. So what? Pry a piece and throw it out?

Oh yes, repent ... Well, without repentance!

Stop, but this has already happened. Already called to repentance. All the same 90-x. And again? Only then were the democrats called, who are now liberals, now they are monarchists.

But the essence is the same at the exit. Full contempt for history, for the past. And either along the liberal path forward to a brighter future according to Chubais, or, according to Poklonskaya, in the church, banging their heads in repentance. But without any future at all.

And here is my conclusion.

With the liberals did not work. Suddenly, for no apparent reason, crowds of admirers of the monarchical past drew themselves, but without a definite future. But those who are ready to spit and slush over part of our historical past.

What happens: the program is not added?

Strange, is not it? The program is elementary. Here are the liberals:

1. In the USSR, everything was bad.
2. In Russia, everything will be fine if:
a) take the American model as the ideal;
b) give everything you can into private hands;
c) as much as possible to sell everything abroad.
3. Broad strides rush into a bright future.

This is short. And the monarchists?

1. Everything was fine in the Russian Empire
2. In the USSR, everything was disgusting.
3. ?

Not finished. But they will finish it sooner or later? The world does not tolerate emptiness. And the vacuum must be replaced with something. This is physics, you can’t argue against it, even with the black-and-white-yellow flag, it is, my dear, the same for everyone.

And here we come to the main problem of our being: to the absence of a distinct and generally no state filling for consciousness.

If something is lying on the street, then it is unowned, right? That is a draw?

It turns out that the heads of all these monarchists were also picked up by someone and put the idea there, that during the time of the tsar-father, everything was so great that it was heaven on earth. And then came the bloody Marxists and the paradise of that ...

But what’s next, these fans of RI haven’t been put into the heads yet. But it is quite obvious that they will. When they come up with that.

Moreover, our state really does not care, unfortunately. And simply empty-headed impersonality is being replaced by people who already have some idea in their heads. Not the best. But - the idea. Someone carefully designed and invested in these heads.
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  1. afrikanez
    afrikanez 17 October 2017 15: 31
    +8
    If a person is a “bastard” in life, then at least call him (at least a liberal, at least a monarchist), while the human essence is not going anywhere. The drones are always screaming ... nothing more!
    1. Nicholas C.
      Nicholas C. 17 October 2017 16: 03
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      Quote: Author: Roman Skomorokhov
      liberals and monarchists have one thing in common that makes you think. Both the first and second with equal pleasure spit in the Soviet past of the country.

      The very first to spit in the Soviet past of the country were the Communists themselves. By the fact that they did not defend their country, they betrayed, and, some, they sold. And still betray. The argument strikes me: that it is Poklonskaya with the Orthodox who defends her saint from the deafness, blasphemy and slander of the Teacher and the liberal octopus; no matter how much they slandered Stalin and Lenin, how many filthy films they shot - we didn't give a damn.
      The fact of the matter is that this woman really protects her country, her ideals (in the Crimea under ukrobandit bullets (and what to do - we don’t have enough real men), in Moscow - from liberal occupation (under the press, while omnipotent in our country, liberal propaganda and poop throwing of those who have a vacuum in their heads)).
      Poklonskaya arouses respect, and those who have nothing to defend do not inspire respect.
      In a normal state there should be a competition of national ideas (communist (it is a pity that the local activists are not familiar with the works of the classics of Marxism-Leninism), monarchist, others), but not pro-American (Column 5 - drive!). Let philosophers argue, offer the best. And we humans will choose the best.
      PS. Lenin these philosophers on the parachute and get out.
      1. badens1111
        badens1111 17 October 2017 17: 18
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        Quote: Nikolai S.
        Lenin these philosophers on the parachute and get out.

        What a quick one .. And how do you prove your case, after such an incendiary speech and ranting on ideals, if you immediately show your directly black hatred of one of the IDEALS?
        Your Poklonskaya does not evoke any feelings, after imitating a fight with windmills and ranting about a "myrrh-streaming bust."
        Quote: Nikolai S.
        no matter how much they slandered Stalin and Lenin, how many filthy films they shot - we didn't give a damn.

        You? Well, we are the same, like you.
        You can’t understand in any way, all your lies, all the screams, all the black gossip and others, including the fuss with the useless Nikolai Romanov, are the links of one chain, then in the collapse of society and the country.
        Monarchists and liberals .. what is the difference .. but what are the similarities, but in general, neither of those and others in their fuss, just a demonstration of how to hate the people and the homeland to please their loved ones.
        1. BecmepH
          BecmepH 18 October 2017 08: 35
          +3
          Quote: badens1111
          Monarchists and liberals .. what is the difference .. but what are the similarities, but in general, neither of those and others in their fuss, just a demonstration of how to hate the people and the homeland to please their loved ones.

          Yes sir!
      2. Gardamir
        Gardamir 17 October 2017 19: 08
        19
        this woman really protects
        And you didn’t think why she was so brave, and then she once surrendered the Orthodox state, now she has quieted down, until the third time.
        And about protecting the country in the 90s, can tell enough tales? Do not go out! Have we been called to capitalism? To optimization? To the power of the Rottenbergs. No we were told more than socialism, socialism with a market face, a little tweak.
        And there is no respect for Poklonskaya, because others are sitting on articles for inciting religious, national and other hatred, and this one is like water off a duck.
        1. Akuzenka
          Akuzenka 19 October 2017 12: 08
          +1
          A rare case when I agree with Skomorokhovym Roman. True, I’ll clarify a little. In this place:
          They have a goal, building a society in the American image and likeness, they have a program.

          Only not for the American model, but for the American model. They need us as slaves and no more.
          And the author forgot to add Natsik and fascists with skins to this company. They have the same rhetoric at the exit.
          Article + 100.
      3. Alex_59
        Alex_59 18 October 2017 07: 02
        +5
        Quote: Nikolai S.
        The very first to spit in the Soviet past of the country were the Communists themselves.
        This is logical. The new government is trying to rebuild from the old and blame all the troubles on previous rulers. But what do we have to do with it? We are descendants, objective researchers - at least I would like it to be that way. And then you just have to choose: you justify your pouring mud on the USSR by saying that “the Communists first started”, or you are objective and understand that ANY new government would do the same. If the first - then I'm sorry, you are not objective, you again want to omit the Soviet past, so that something else comes up against this background.
        Quote: Nikolai S.
        The fact of the matter is that this woman really defends her country

        By generating anti-scientific nonsense about myrrh-flowing busts, she is discrediting the concept of "defending her country."
        Quote: Nikolai S.
        In a normal state there should be a competition of national ideas

        In a normal state there should be a dictatorship of the national idea of ​​the absence of quarrels about its history and individual periods of this history. Because it disconnects people. Do you like tsarist Russia? Love quietly, do not go to anyone, do not persuade, do not force others who do not like tsarist Russia to be like you, do not consider them worse or dumber than yourself, do not argue that everything was perfect in tsarist Russia (everything is never perfect).
      4. Olgovich
        Olgovich 18 October 2017 09: 53
        +4
        Quote: Nikolai S.
        The very first to spit in the Soviet past of the country were the Communists themselves. By the fact that they did not defend their country, they betrayed, and, some, they sold

        What can we say about the country when itself, this 18 millionth “fighting” and “advanced detachment of society” could not save, did not want to and just instantly, one day (!) Quietly and silently ... DISAPPEARED! The number of the Communist Party .... 0,7% of the number of the CPSU! Complete degradation and degeneration. What country is there .... request
        Speaking of conditional monarchist, esteemed Roman says:
        But at the output, we have not yet received an army, but some are not very smart, but great processed
        .Author, I think, will agree that these "processed" have quite different and opposite information about the history of the country and have the opportunity to choose the one that seems to them the most truthful and objective. HOW to "process" them in the conditions of such freedom of access to information, WHOM is it possible? request To nobody!
        About the "refinement" and precisely the total refinement of people, it must be clearly said precisely in Soviet times, when this huge array of VARIOUS VARIOUS information simply did not exist, but there was a whole ideological department of the CPSU.
        Which determined what we need to know, what not, what to believe, what not, what to read, what not. And why, by the way, why? Who is the superman Suslov and others like him to decide? No one! Today, by the way, the children of this "teacher" live in ... USA! lol
        about conditional monarchists, the author writes that they claim that
        Everything that was during the Soviet Union was wrong, disgusting, should be scolded, forgotten and so on.

        The author, unfortunately, did not provide data: what events and facts of the Soviet period were specifically scolded and offered to oblivion?
        If he brings these concrete factsthen, as a result of their discussion, I think it will become clear that he himself is also somewhat of this conditional “monarchist”. For Roman, I know, a patriot of Russia.
        For me, a conditional monarchist is a person who does not deny Russia's glorious past until the 17th and achievements after the 17th, who believes that today's power should be determined solely by the will of the people.
        1. badens1111
          badens1111 18 October 2017 14: 25
          +2
          Quote: Olgovich
          For me, a conditional monarchist is a person who does not deny Russia's glorious past until the 17th and achievements after the 17th, who believes that today's power should be determined solely by the will of the people.

          Well, then .. but where did this conditional talker do the interval, between 17 and 91, when was it done that eclipses all your chatter about your monarchy? And then, your conditional monarchists from all the rug of kings and emperors, as an icon have chosen absolute insignificance.
          So who are you, conditional monarchists and their supporters, like a non-Russophobic scum in society? Already now, voices are sounding louder that you and, in general, intellectual talkers like you, have no place at the head of anything, but purely below the level of the city sewage system, the strength of your absolute spiritual, moral and political impotence.
          Russian intelligentsia today
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbIrVIeXro4 с 2:45.
          And so any Romanian-Moldavian .. should they talk about Russia?
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 19 October 2017 09: 03
            0
            Quote: badens1111
            Well, well .. but where did this conditional talker do the interval, between 17 and 91, when the instant was done, that overshadows all your chatter about your monarchy?

            Read the commented for a start.
            Quote: badens1111
            your conditional monarchists from the whole plaid of kings and emperors have chosen absolute insignificance as an icon.

            To feed people with meat, milk, eggs, as in 1913, the next government was able only 40 years after the “heroic” “battles for bread”, the battles for garlic and battles for cabbage. And although the damned 1913 was not given, but- "there are no such peaks ...", etc. Could, still!yes .
            Quote: badens1111
            So who are you, conditional monarchists and their supporters, like a non-Russophobic scum in society? Already now, voices are sounding louder that you and, in general, intellectual talkers like you, have no place at the head of anything, but purely below the level of the city sewage system, the strength of your absolute spiritual, moral and political impotence
            the party disappeared in one day, quietly and silently dissolved, slaping before that EVERYTHING in the world — itself, the country, the army, the economy, the people, the army — that is. all. But he talks about others. Well done! good lol
            Quote: badens1111
            And so any Romanian-Moldavian ...should they talk about Russia?

            I do not understand your dots, express yourself clearly, in a party way! yes
            And about the right to talk about Russia, any person living in the Russian state from the Prut to Chukotka, who does not recognize the cutting by the Bolsheviks of her body on the so-called "republics".
            1. badens1111
              badens1111 19 October 2017 10: 37
              +3
              Quote: Olgovich
              Read the commented

              Reading your "comments" is ridiculous.
              Quote: Olgovich
              Feed the people with meat, milk, eggs, as in 1913, the next government was able only 40 years after the “heroic” “battles for bread”, the battles for garlic and battles for cabbage. And even though the damned 1913 was not given, but- "there are no such peaks ...", etc.

              Another re-fable? Get-1) 1970s - a complete abundance of products, at the same time low prices

              2) the 1980s - a deficit (started precisely under Gorbachev), the card system, but there is no hunger

              3) 1990s - prices skyrocket, you have to save on everything and starve

              4) The 2000s are better than in the 90s, but it is very far from the abundance of the 70s
              http://www.proza.ru/2016/07/08/990
              Well, finally, Mr. liar, I have to repeat to you where you got the evil myth about the shortcomings of bread.
              The collapse operation of the USSR was carried out in stages, and the organization of food shortages was one of the steps of this operation. I emphasize - an artificial deficit. Only leading employees of ministries and departments could do this. The USSR elite sold their country. Not one Gorbachev, Yakovlev, Shevarnadze and others from the Central Committee started this collapse. The ranks less involved in this no less, without their "fruitful" work, the USSR could have resisted.

              Well, the tales of the inefficiency of the socialist national economy are based on such myths. And these myths are still broadcast to us from all the windows.
              https://aftershock.news/?q=node/404221&full
              In general, Mr. Russophobe, your masters provoked a number of shortcomings for the USSR, and you continue to speculate on this.
              http://www.pravda.info/society/152055.html
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 19 October 2017 12: 07
                0
                Quote: badens1111
                Reading your "comments" is ridiculous.

                Do not read, especially since they are not addressed to you
                Quote: badens1111
                Another re-fable? Get-1) 1970s - a complete abundance of products, at the same time low prices
                2) the 1980s - a deficit (started precisely under Gorbachev), the card system, but there is no hunger

                It took "all" 40 yearsto only catch up 1913For bread, even more. OK, yes fool
                Cards for meat, milk - in Samara (and in the Volga region) - since 1980
                Quote: badens1111
                The collapse operation of the USSR was carried out in stages, and the organization of food shortages was one of the steps of this operation. I emphasize - an artificial deficit. Only senior officials of ministries and departments. The USSR elite sold their country. Not alone Gorbachev, Yakovlev, Shevarnadze and others from Central AsiaK started this collapse. Lesser ranks involved to this no less, without their “fruitful” work, the USSR could have stood


                What did the system of some pests and traitors give birth to? lol After all, they -its purest product, their childhood-in general, with the Leader-of-all-Leaders passed good belay request
                Quote: badens1111
                In general, Mr. Russophobe,your hosts provoked a number of shortcomings for the USSR, and you continue to speculate on this.

                Poor dancer, well, everything and everyone bothers him .... lol Yes? wink
                1. badens1111
                  badens1111 19 October 2017 12: 39
                  0
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  Poor dancer, well, everything and everything interferes with him

                  Are you talking about yourself?
                  More emoticons, cave zhivopisis perfectly characterizes you.
                  1. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 20 October 2017 05: 49
                    0
                    Quote: badens1111
                    Are you talking about yourself?

                    I, like other commentators, write clearly and unambiguously, whom we are talking about and who we are talking to. Everything is clear to everyone.
                    And only one slow-pondering comrade repeatedly asks the same thing dozens of times: "Are you talking about yourself?"
                    We advise comrade: read at least ten times, if at one time it is not clear who they are talking about. Should help! No.
                    When we want to write about ourselves, we use personal pronouns of the first person "I" and "we" http://obrazovaka.ru/russkiy-yazyk/mestoimeniya-1
                    -lica.
                    Having learned this simple rule of grammar, the comrade will save himself and, most importantly, others, from this meaningless question.

                    In fact, the facts of failures that I have cited you answer-not able, i.e. lol you can not...
                2. long in stock.
                  long in stock. 21 October 2017 16: 18
                  0
                  hello Mr. Treplo, I live from Samara. And I lived 70 and 80 and 90. There were no cards for MEAT and MILK in the Volga 70-80. Before the hunchback there were no cards.
                  moreover, in many factories milk was given out every day for free per liter per person. In such triangular boxes ... so you don’t even have to turn up your nose ... what if your comment is so nonsense ... are you embarrassed?
                  1. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 22 October 2017 05: 07
                    +3
                    Quote: Long in stock.
                    llo Mr. Treplo I live from Samara. And I lived 70 and 80 and 90. There were no cards for MEAT and MILK in the Volga 70-80. Before the hunchback there were no cards

                    To restore lost memory, google to help.
                    1. long in stock.
                      long in stock. 22 October 2017 09: 12
                      0
                      go there and stomp. I’m not a baker, so everything is fine with memory.
                      1. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 22 October 2017 09: 40
                        +3
                        Quote: long in stock.
                        go there and stomp. I’m not a baker, therefore, with memory all is well.

                        badly.
                        voyceg
                        February 20, 2013, 10:49:38
                        In Samara (then Kuibyshev), coupons for butter and sausage appeared somewhere after the Olympics-80. A kilogram per person per month. True, there was oil without coupons (Olympic or the like), but it cost more than five rubles, it was bright yellow and salty, and the fact that it cost 3-20 or 3-50 for coupons. The people rejoiced at the elections, because there it was possible, standing in line, to buy sausages and dumplings, and maybe even cheese. Such a fun time ...
      5. Alexdark
        Alexdark 19 October 2017 02: 55
        +3
        I like her commitment, a stable position. Such people were in the USSR. And you will not say a bad word about them. Ideological, dying for the idea. Or is it now something shameful? Sectarian? No. Then you, commies, sold your ideas. At first they were oh how odious, and even right up to the death of this. So that demonstrative "flogging" was arranged, starting from kindergarten to ... Why not sectarians? General ghouls). But the ghouls who surrendered, sold out, did not defend. The system collapsed and ideology disappeared, there is nothing more to protect. No, it’s impossible, it is necessary to the end, dear gentlemen. Why did you drop your hands? And not just lowered, but he sold it all. Although I know you all have nothing to do with it. Whom you don’t read, all are "not like that." And then who are those who once rode? These are others, but not you. Of course ... Otherwise, all this was a circus and a game, "Maidan" fumes of its time. The fire is gone, do not care about anything, right? Here.
      6. masterovoy
        masterovoy 19 October 2017 09: 18
        +5
        So my friends and I quite actively participated in the events of "Russian Spring". Well, we did not see at our block posts and while patrolling the Sevastopol streets any support from Poklonskaya and its “fans”. They learned about its existence only after the victory of the "Russian Spring". But in Ukrainian times they knew her as an active supporter of the Ukrainian authorities ...
        We think that she knows very well that it was through the fault of Nikolai Romanov, who threw Russia into the war with Japan first, and then with Germany for far-fetched reasons and enticing the British, that millions of Russian people died and the country was thrown into chaos, and the coward and inglorious Romanov , tried to escape from responsibility, abandoning the throne. She (Poklonskaya) does not need the "holy" Romanov, she needs a NAME and the blessings that follow. If she really believes in Romanov’s infallibility, let her leave power and try to preach her faith from a powerless people ...
      7. Old warrior
        Old warrior 19 October 2017 21: 11
        +3
        Poklonskaya is regrettable: she started well, and then ..., alas, I would like to know where all this came from, because it’s clearly not that of the former princes, but in general the noblemen have nothing to do with her ancestors, with her beloved king, Amphi did not flourish. It seems like a serious illness - called intelligence.
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      1. Sverdlov
        Sverdlov 18 October 2017 00: 09
        +2
        Nicholas, as a monarch, does not cause respect. Approximate as a father and spouse.
        And the clergy are conjuncturists. The rule was violated by canonization. One hundred years after the death of a saint. Then the husk flies around, holiness remains. If she was ...
        I don’t go to the temple and don’t even go. And in others, dedicated to him. There is no holiness ...
        1. A.V.S.
          A.V.S. 18 October 2017 03: 18
          +8
          Quote: Sverdlov
          And the clergy are conjuncturists. The rule was violated by canonization.

          Russian Orthodox Church your opinion is deeply indifferent. ".. Regal sufferers, a host of new martyrs and confessors for faith, hundreds of thousands of victims, destroyed spiritual heritage, the expulsion of the intellectual color of the nation beyond its borders ... Unfortunately, these bitter pages of our past today are often the subject of speculation, including at the artistic level. The artist has the right to fiction. But fiction and lies are two different things. Fiction is a dramatic device and, as such, enhances the viewer's interest in historical facts. Lying is not a dramatic trick. Lies grossly distort historical reality and deliberately mislead people.... "Patriarch Kirill.http: //ruskline.ru/news_rl/2017/10/12/patr
          iarh_kirill_film_matilda_falshivka /
        2. Akuzenka
          Akuzenka 19 October 2017 12: 19
          +2
          Alas, they didn’t break it, but they allocated it for some reason. They made us a great martyr, but not a saint. The difference is significant. Which one? Find it yourself. For me, those who died in the Great Patriotic War for their Homeland are more worthy of canonization, like great martyrs, than the last emperor.
        3. Old warrior
          Old warrior 19 October 2017 21: 13
          0
          The first signs of Holiness are the healing of the afflicted. Something I have not heard of this.
  2. Vladycat
    Vladycat 17 October 2017 15: 42
    +3
    I’m not sure that the state does not monitor such movements. It can monitor. Or throws fishing rods, to identify the unreliability of elements for the purpose of accounting and control?
    But in general I agree. Need an idea, "there was a personality - there was a cult." The GDP itself will not "mess" on it, and so the curses of the "well-wishers" so much that probably all has already disappeared. Moreover, many are just waiting for this, to attack him and, accordingly, us. "Like we warned that Putin is climbing into the kings, but you did not believe. For a fool, scoops, zombies, etc." Although I personally am not opposed to such a monarch, with extended rights in relation to the boyars, there are already oprichniks - former explosives. And I hope the liberals in our country have lost. Their cries are outdated and already do not touch many (here still these many of whom do not touch, were also able to unite). But what to do, in Russia they love the tsar, and only the holy fool is almost the same. Here and discord with a choice :).
    1. A.V.S.
      A.V.S. 17 October 2017 17: 18
      +8
      Quote: Vladycat
      I’m not sure that the state does not monitor such movements.

      The state has been carrying out this work since Soviet times. Here, Teacher has been given hundreds of millions of dollars from the budget to the Matilda. All monarchist organizations, besides emigrant ones, are filled with sexots and provocateurs of special services. A characteristic example of D. D. Vasiliev from the “terrible” memory old age demanded a pension for itself as a well-deserved security officer. And the ideological organizations of monarchists like RONS are simply forbidden, their leaders are wanted or in prison.
  3. Alex_59
    Alex_59 17 October 2017 15: 42
    12
    Oh, right now it’s going to start chopping, checkers out! Trot!
    I am only upset that everyone is trying to launder one period of history by throwing feces of another period of their own history. What are monarchists, what are communists. It is sad. It turns out that to swim out yourself you have to drown your neighbor. To go nuts, love for one's neighbor ... And the scheme is the same - when you start to prove to the monarchist that feces are not justified, you immediately get the label of a communist-Stalinist, no less. Black and white movie. If you are not with us, then you are an enemy. People, are you out of your mind? What are we sharing? This is our common story, why such radical, irreconcilable positions? This is upsetting.
    1. badens1111
      badens1111 17 October 2017 17: 20
      +7
      Quote: Alex_59
      What are monarchists, what are communists.

      Absolutely not identical.
      Quote: Alex_59
      What are we sharing? This is our common story, why such radical, irreconcilable positions? This is upsetting.

      That's when you stop identifying, then you will understand your mistake.
      1. Alex_59
        Alex_59 18 October 2017 06: 48
        +2
        Quote: badens1111
        Absolutely not identical.

        Not identical in the sense that propaganda of the monarchist and liberal camps is now dominant, but communist in a deep corral. But observing people not biased, I notice that supporters of communism often use manipulations in relation to the tsarist era. About how terrible everything was under tsarism and how great it became under communism. And about the official agitation of the CPSU and say no. I personally try to be objective. Well, not everything was terrible under tsarism. There were serious mistakes and miscalculations that led to the collapse of the country. But they were also among the later communists. True, she is like that - everyone is not pleasant.
        1. badens1111
          badens1111 18 October 2017 09: 07
          +1
          Quote: Alex_59
          There were serious mistakes and miscalculations that led to the collapse of the country. But they were also among the later communists. True, she is like that - everyone is not pleasant.

          "Late Communists", in fact, among the top and middle managers who have turned over the sabotage against the country, there were no Communists. This is a fact.
          If the entire state machine of propaganda, built in principle to defend their country, works against, is it surprising that the people did not understand where the newly-born troubadours from the gameland lead them?
          1. Alex_59
            Alex_59 18 October 2017 10: 23
            +2
            Quote: badens1111
            If the entire state machine of propaganda, built in principle to defend their country, works against, is it surprising that the people did not understand where the newly-born troubadours from the gameland lead them?

            Well, how did it happen that the car began to work against? Who is guilty? They themselves are to blame. How they organized the system, so it functions. So when the system was built it was necessary to lay fuses so that the internal enemy could not use the system to the detriment.
            I always make fun of the excuses of the monarchists - they say that the RI was ruined by the damned Bolsheviks. Have mercy, what are the Bolsheviks? The tsarist authorities themselves and ruined. Nicholas himself with whom these monarchists rush, he himself collapsed. But when it comes to the collapse of the USSR, everything is fine with them - the Soviet system was supposedly vicious, and therefore it itself collapsed overnight. But when it comes to RI, no, no, the system of tsarist Russia was not vicious, that you are the "black forces of the enemies of Russia." Infantilism and malignity of thinking in all its glory. Is this a serious controversy?
            Here is an example immediately to the topic from the representative of "Bozhetsaryahrani":
            Quote: Olgovich
            What can we say about the country when itself, this 18 millionth "fighting" and "advanced detachment of society" could not save, did not want and just instantly, one day (!) Quietly and silently ... DISAPPEARED!

            The monarchist again cries that the USSR was surrendered by the Bolsheviks. But ask him who passed the RI? Again the Bolsheviks. Laugh. good
            1. badens1111
              badens1111 18 October 2017 10: 34
              +2
              Quote: Alex_59
              So when the system was built it was necessary to lay fuses so that the internal enemy could not use the system to the detriment.

              All these fuses were broken by Khrushchev. And when Andropov was on the post of the Chairman of the KGB and then the Secretary General, they did not repair anything, on the contrary, the so-called "Russian party" in the CPSU was suppressed, but flirted with all sorts of dissent and raised the Gorbachevs.
              Quote: Alex_59
              I always make fun of the excuses of the monarchists - they say that the RI was ruined by the damned Bolsheviks. Have mercy, what are the Bolsheviks? The tsarist authorities themselves and ruined. Nicholas himself with whom these monarchists rush, he himself collapsed.

              Yes, there’s nothing to argue about.
              Quote: Alex_59
              The monarchist again cries that the USSR was surrendered by the Bolsheviks. But ask him who passed the RI? Again the Bolsheviks. Laugh.

              Well, this is Alexander-Olgovich .. expert and dock around that don’t ask, but you won’t find any historical works signed by this quasi-source, but he has links to frankly evil and other crafts.
              I remember in ancient times, one of the Persian kings, storming the fortress for two years, already did not know what to do, until the two defectors gave him secret passages and places of water intake, the fortress fell .. Traitors, in anticipation of the award, arrived at the Tsar-KAZNIT both, the courtiers in horror, like so, ANSWER-betrayed times, always betray.
              What we see in a heap of comments from former party cardholders .. servants of the same Soros for example ..
            2. Olgovich
              Olgovich 18 October 2017 12: 25
              +2
              Quote: Alex_59
              I always make fun of the excuses of the monarchists - they say that the RI was ruined by the damned Bolsheviks. Have mercy, what are the Bolsheviks? The tsarist authorities themselves and ruined. Nicholas himself with whom these monarchists rush, he himself collapsed. But when it comes to the collapse of the USSR, everything is fine with them - the Soviet system was supposedly vicious, and therefore it itself collapsed overnight. But when it comes to RI, no, no, the system of tsarist Russia was not vicious, that you are the "black forces of the enemies of Russia." Infantilism and malignity of thinking in all its glory. Is this a serious controversy?

              Unseen in the history of World War II in the 17 and almost 50 years of the world, 1991 of the year is one and the same situation, yeah. fool
              1. Alex_59
                Alex_59 18 October 2017 13: 19
                +2
                Quote: Olgovich
                Unseen in the history of World War II in the 17 and almost 50 years of the world, 1991 of the year is one and the same situation, yeah.

                Tell me, do you really think that the arrangement of emoticons twirling a finger at the temple adds credibility to your arguments?
                1. badens1111
                  badens1111 18 October 2017 14: 27
                  0
                  Quote: Alex_59
                  Tell me, do you really think that the arrangement of emoticons twirling a finger at the temple adds credibility to your arguments?

                  And to him to think .. not that specificity, emoticons are his language .. intellectuals are in the stage of degeneration.
                  We have noticed more than once that when this character has no thoughts, no arguments, no facts. Ancient stone painting begins with emoticons by commentary.
                  Look, it’s wonderful said about such.
                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbIrVIeXro4
                  1. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 19 October 2017 09: 18
                    0
                    Quote: badens1111
                    We have noticed more than once that when this character has no thoughts, no arguments, no facts. Ancient stone painting begins with emoticons by commentary.

                    When there is nothing to comment, for example, on frank and obvious illiteracy, absurd statements for everyone, etc., to spend words is senseless and stupid.
                    .
                    What could answer Gleb Kapustin those whom he "cut"?

                    Read the magnificent Vasily Makarovich and find yourself and comrade Alex in Gleb yes wink
                2. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 19 October 2017 09: 08
                  0
                  Quote: Alex_59
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  Unseen in the history of World War II in the 17 and almost 50 years of the world, 1991 of the year is one and the same situation, yeah.

                  Tell me, do you really think that the arrangement of emoticons twirling a finger at the temple adds credibility to your arguments?

                  Not persuasiveness, but visibility: there is such a concept in Russian. Maybe it will help and, nevertheless, it will come yes
  4. FID
    FID 17 October 2017 15: 43
    +8
    Bravo, Roman! But they can invest (or have already invested) very, very unpleasant ideas ....
    1. Alex_59
      Alex_59 17 October 2017 16: 03
      20
      Quote: SSI
      Bravo, Roman! But they can invest (or have already invested) very, very unpleasant ideas ....

      Do not worry. With such monarchists and liberals, soon the monarchist and liberal ideas will be so discredited that all adequate people will gather around the socialist banner. Well, because when they tell you about the myrrh-busting bust of Nikolai, there is no longer any option where to go.
  5. 34 region
    34 region 17 October 2017 15: 54
    +5
    Here he chopped so chopped! But it’s true!
  6. Eurodav
    Eurodav 17 October 2017 15: 56
    +3
    "Poklonskaya virus" and the liberal "Chubais syndrome" ...
    Do not compare not comparable! About Poklonskaya day three or four Old already laid out our brother! With deeds and rewards! And there is no reason not to believe him, check six seconds!
    NanoTolik what is it? And that’s all ... And there’s nothing to say ...
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 17 October 2017 19: 16
      +5
      What is it like?
      Chubais has more rewards. And the acts alone serve for the benefit of world capital, perhaps Poklonskaya hatred of the Russian people will have more, since she harnesses for the Bloody.
  7. Antianglosax
    Antianglosax 17 October 2017 16: 03
    +7
    Both are for the society marginalized and a relic of the era, rolling into the hole of history. In the bright future there will be no place for these perverts, which is crystal clear. And why talk about them? Themselves will dissolve sooner or later ...
    1. zoolu350
      zoolu350 17 October 2017 18: 00
      +5
      Do not dissolve, because they smell the smell of the feeders. It will have to be multiplied by 100 of them all, like 0 years ago.
  8. Basil50
    Basil50 17 October 2017 16: 04
    11
    In the RUSSIAN EMPIRE, the official slave trade was the basis for the well-being of the church and the nobility. Have all these fans * of the tsarist regime * forgiven the trade of their ancestors? Or are they all * ex * and hope for the return of serfs and privileges?
    1. A.V.S.
      A.V.S. 17 October 2017 17: 12
      +4
      Quote: Vasily50
      In the RUSSIAN EMPIRE, the official slave trade was the basis for the well-being of the church and the nobility

      How interesting! Could you give a document, say, 1900 with the prices of slaves? The slave trade in the democratic USA is known, but the fact that in Russia under Nicholas II sold slaves I heard for the first time!
      1. Basil50
        Basil50 18 October 2017 08: 38
        0
        absu
        In 1916, in BUKHAR, OFFICIALLY sold RUSSIAN children captured * by rebels *.
        The slave market was destroyed along with the slave traders only after the capture of Bukhara by the RED ARMY under the command of M IN FRUNZ.
  9. Eurodav
    Eurodav 17 October 2017 16: 05
    +9
    And if a person is a "bastard" in life, then they don’t even compare him with a "bastard" ... The common name in Russia, Poklonskaya (no one has named her a bastard yet) they want to remove, and her attitude towards the Tsar is her personal business! Do not be like VeneDiktov, his relatives and fellow tribesmen were always afraid of the Tsar and the Cossacks ... Well, you don’t know what Poklonskaya wants, this is her mistake, of course ... I wish you could find out!
    1. d ^ Amir
      d ^ Amir 17 October 2017 18: 18
      +8
      against all the others, the most natural PR war is being waged against Natalya Vladimirovna ... someone really wants to discredit it in the eyes of the people ... all right, all means are good and nothing is lost ...
      and the monarchists .... well, people have the right to their own opinion and this cannot be discussed ... BUT !!!! if the laws of the Empire (succession to the throne) then the laws of the Empire !!!!!!!! and according to them, legal representatives of the Romanov clan entitled to the Russian Throne DO NOT EXIST !!!!! and a gang of international swindlers positioning themselves as the House of Romanov, even if we accept them exactly as the Romanovs as descendants of Cyril, they have NO RIGHT TO THE THRON !!!!!! according to the laws of the Empire of which they so dream .....
      1. badens1111
        badens1111 17 October 2017 18: 30
        +6
        Quote: d ^ Amir
        legal representatives of the Romanov clan entitled to the Russian Throne DO NOT EXIST !!!!! and a gang of international swindlers positioning themselves as the House of Romanov, even if we accept them exactly as the Romanovs as descendants of Cyril, they have NO RIGHT TO THE THRON !!!!!! according to the laws of the Empire of which they so dream .....

        Then why bother Poklonskaya?
        Well, she personally likes Nikolai 2, so sit still, why should you arrange dances on the subject of holiness and other things, while Nikolai 2 is essentially the same as after almost a hundred years, Gorbachev and Yeltsin ... I’ve found an icon ..
        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir 17 October 2017 19: 20
          +3
          Nikolay 2 is essentially the same as after almost a hundred years, Gorbachev
          Just today, a joke in the subject. For a monarchist to love Nicholas 2, the same as for a communist Gorbachev.
      2. Gardamir
        Gardamir 17 October 2017 19: 19
        0
        DOES NOT EXIST
        There are, but not the Romanovs, but the Serbian branch.
      3. gladcu2
        gladcu2 17 October 2017 23: 11
        0
        damir

        Having an opinion is a false excuse for being stupid.

        Opinion is not always true. Because the truth is one, but there are many opinions.
      4. vladmort
        vladmort 18 October 2017 00: 07
        +1
        And who argues with this? Actually, when the time of troubles comes (in which we have been living since February 17th), then legal rule can be restored only through the Zemsky Sobor. Fortunately, there is a historical precedent.
      5. BecmepH
        BecmepH 18 October 2017 08: 46
        +1
        Quote: d ^ Amir
        against all the others, the most natural PR war is being waged against Natalya Vladimirovna ... someone really wants to discredit it in the eyes of the people ... all right, all means are good and nothing is lost ...

        So she herself dеshe scribbled her actions
  10. Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 17 October 2017 16: 09
    +9
    Ours including the wine that happened, yes. But at the output, we have not yet received an army, but a certain number of not very smart, but great processed ones. Reserve, so to speak.
    I’ll add from myself that I received a warning at VO, 4 or 5 days after writing the post, for speaking disrespectfully (but within the bounds of decency) about Madame Poklonskaya in the topic about Matilda. As I understand it, the insistent opponents from the camp of "monarchists", for almost a week, stubbornly hollowed the administration, demanding to call me to account, until someone gave a slack laughing
  11. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 17 October 2017 16: 27
    +9
    What does it mean to give a damn about the authorities? Power is engaged only in that which manipulates the meanings! She has a drum, which will be an idea in the minds, monarchist or liberal. The main thing is that the power remains for itself. That's all. And all these Poklonsky, Zhirinovsky, Zyuganov, Mironov, in order to distract the passionaries and the people in particular from the struggle. But the passionarian is ripening and awaiting the arrival of the Leader. Present times just contribute to this.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 17 October 2017 19: 21
      +1
      The main thing is that the power remains for itself
      good
    2. bober1982
      bober1982 18 October 2017 09: 55
      +2
      Quote: andrej-shironov
      But the passionarian is ripening and awaiting the arrival of the Leader. Present times just contribute to this.

      These times are conducive to the coming of the Antichrist; here you will have a passionary, a leader, and the last times.
      1. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 25 October 2017 16: 33
        0
        Fire me from listening to your clerical crap.
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  13. viktorch
    viktorch 17 October 2017 17: 37
    +7
    strange article, why would the state do not care? don’t even care, and everything you need is downloaded into your head, including such muddy articles.

    in the modern world there are only two "practical" ideas, capitalist and socialist, all the rest - patriotism, cosmopolitanism, monarchism, and other isms, nothing more than small additions, pure salt and pepper to taste, only the taste does not affect calories and vitamins, no way.

    we now have the capitalist idea, and the capitalist way of life, and everything else, the monarchists or the liberals there is no difference, for the people, the difference is only for the oligarchs of the sponsors of the mover who understand among themselves which country will suck the most juices, the ruin is a fine example that when capitalism is only the oligarchs and their six, hiding behind a different ideology and nothing more.
    1. gladcu2
      gladcu2 17 October 2017 23: 17
      0
      Capitalism has no idea. It is a non-ideological economic system that has owners.

      And monarchists are like amesh. It’s ridiculous.
  14. solzh
    solzh 17 October 2017 17: 47
    +8
    Vacuum in the head must be replaced with something

    It is up to us. What we put in the head of the child will succeed. We put in about the good grandfather of Lenin, the vacuum is filled positively, we get the new Korolev and Gagarin with Chkalov, we put in about the “good” Nicholas the Bloody, the vacuum is filled negatively and in the end we get Poklonskaya.
    1. vladmort
      vladmort 18 October 2017 00: 12
      +3
      From childhood, I was spoiled by grandfather Lenin. However, this did not stop me from becoming a monarchist.

      And by the way, how do you know about the beliefs of Gagarin, Korolev, etc.?
      1. BecmepH
        BecmepH 18 October 2017 08: 51
        0
        Quote: vladmort
        From childhood, I was spoiled by grandfather Lenin. However, this did not stop me from becoming a monarchist.

        And by the way, how do you know about the beliefs of Gagarin, Korolev, etc.?

        Without jokes and sarcasm: I do not understand what the monarchists want? What is your goal? What are you doing? What will your movement give the homeland?
        1. vladmort
          vladmort 18 October 2017 15: 21
          +1
          I can’t speak for everyone who calls himself a monarchist. But rational people want restoration of legal rule. What will this give Russia?
          1. Restoration of succession from the Russian Empire. That is, the legal nullity of Ukraine and other .... mills.
          2. A significant increase in management efficiency.
          3. Control over bureaucrats, only the Tsar being over bureaucracy and having instruments of control can control them.
          4. Reducing the tax burden.
          5. The elimination of the shameful circus of elections, thoughts, parties, etc.

          This is just a snap.
          1. BecmepH
            BecmepH 19 October 2017 07: 33
            0
            Quote: vladmort
            I can’t speak for everyone who calls himself a monarchist. But rational people want restoration of legal rule. What will this give Russia?
            1. Restoration of succession from the Russian Empire. That is, the legal nullity of Ukraine and other .... mills.
            2. A significant increase in management efficiency.
            3. Control over bureaucrats, only the Tsar being over bureaucracy and having instruments of control can control them.
            4. Reducing the tax burden.
            5. The elimination of the shameful circus of elections, thoughts, parties, etc.

            This is just a snap.

            1. I do not understand what you mean
            2. Not sure
            3. Maybe
            4. It is doubtful
            5. Yes
            In general, that is not convincing. Is it worth it for the sake of "buch" raise?
            1. novel66
              novel66 19 October 2017 09: 41
              +3
              moreover - and if a new bled blood is drawn - where is the fuse from it?
              1. vladmort
                vladmort 19 October 2017 23: 58
                0
                Quote: novel xnumx
                moreover - and if a new bled blood is drawn - where is the fuse from it?

                Was the king bad? Smart people always knew that "Losers look out the window, successful look in the mirror." If you do not like the King, look at yourself.
            2. vladmort
              vladmort 19 October 2017 23: 53
              0
              1. I do not understand what you mean

              On historical succession. Zemsky Sobor, Tsar, Empire, with all legal consequences.
              2. Not sure

              It is a fact. Less approvals, beliefs, etc.

              3. Maybe

              But is this not enough?
              4. It is doubtful

              Do not doubt. Every single country in which there is no income tax are absolute monarchies.

              5. Yes

              You see.
  15. samarin1969
    samarin1969 17 October 2017 17: 48
    +2
    I can’t even believe that it was written by “Roman Skomorokhov”: lightly, divorced from life ... I have never met “monarchists” or “skinheads” in Russia. They scare both of them - but this is a myth. Behind the eccentricities of Poklonskaya, there is nothing but journalists. Most people still consider Russia their 19th century and XNUMXth century USSR as “their own”.
  16. Owl
    Owl 17 October 2017 18: 29
    +8
    Both the one and the other see the worst in one and the same, in the History of the USSR, it is the Soviet period of the history of our State that is unacceptable to both monarchists and liberals for one reason, not both of them are not able to surpass the achievements of the era of the USSR, surpass the heroism of the People during the defense and during the construction of the Power.
    1. japs
      japs 17 October 2017 21: 36
      13
      You are right, the USSR and its history, achievements, the pace of economic development, the dedication of the people (the whole nation - of all nationalities) in the war, in the rear - all this is an unattainable level for any government of the Russian Federation in the current capitalist form. The absence of any ideology in the Russian Federation, Delusional endeavors in culture and education, copying of teaching methodologies that have obviously outlived their own. Adding garbage and religion to the school curriculum. It will be appropriate here to note the constant meetings of our leadership with the leaders of the world Zionist movement. Although, maybe, I’m wrong, their influence on our culture is felt in the media in the form of low-grade consumer goods from Hollywood.
      1. bober1982
        bober1982 18 October 2017 08: 51
        +2
        But it cannot be otherwise, our time is the time of the absurd, the world in which we live is abnormal, and if it is the world of the absurd, then this world is hell.
        And so everything that is a reflection of life: politics, education, cinema, theater, sports, phil
        Osophia, ideology - struck by absurdity.
        "God is dead," said Nietzsche, he meant that the faith of people in God is dead.
  17. Baloo
    Baloo 17 October 2017 18: 37
    +4
    Quote: Evrodav
    Monarchist "virus Poklonskaya" and liberal "Chubais syndrome": from one laboratory?

    Who would doubt that.
    Chubais is a member of the Belderberg club, if that says anything to someone. And his dealings with ebn are disgusting to remember. I’ll get drunk with joy when the redhead is sent mittens to sew on Kolyma.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 17 October 2017 19: 25
      +2
      will send
      I would send. But the people will vote for the capitalist Putin, and not for the socialist Gardamir.
  18. bober1982
    bober1982 17 October 2017 18: 45
    +5
    The closer to the anniversary of the revolution, the more delusional the article. Although the trend is clearly visible, the whole chain: the famous Mannerheim’s board - a monument to the whites in Samara - "Orthodox" terrorists - the "canonization" of N. Poklonskaya - the friendship of monarchists and liberals. This is, in short.
    Comrades, we have not had any monarchists in our country for a long time. Even during the life of the last Russian tsar, there were an insignificant number of them, and now there are none at all, do not fantasize. If you do not believe it, ask neighbors, colleagues, relatives, passers-by, girls of the lung behavior, officers, soldiers and generals - they will confirm. And there are no liberals, there are Trotsky's supporters, that is, radicals of all stripes.
  19. tank64rus
    tank64rus 17 October 2017 19: 02
    +2
    Well, what was paradise, if there was paradise, then they would never have overthrown Nicholas II. About holiness easier. It was our priests who made a fuss in political games. An ordinary man who had a lover Matilda Ksheshinskaya. This business woman of the time in St. Petersburg had two chic mansions. She had novels not only with Nicholas but also with the Grand Dukes, who had in their hands the supplies of the Russian Army. The result is a lack of shells and ammunition. But it was their time and their morality. What now is there to climb. About liberals and say nothing they have nothing to do in Russia. They are no longer Russian but not foreigners either, as well as Ukraine, they are not allowed to go there.
  20. bober1982
    bober1982 17 October 2017 19: 06
    +2
    Well-known are the words of Metropolitan Pitirim, which he said: if you return the king, you will shoot him in three days, said these words were supporters of the revival of the monarchy.
    The position of the Church in matters of the revival of the monarchy is more than restrained, that is, no revival is possible.
    1. vladmort
      vladmort 18 October 2017 00: 13
      +2
      Do not confuse the church and the hierarchy.
  21. Freeman
    Freeman 17 October 2017 19: 35
    +2
    I have long been interested in the question: why did the last emperor suddenly become an icon? Not his grandfather Alexander the Second Liberator (much respect), who, by the way, also moved into another world not on his own will, not father Alexander the Third Peacemaker (generally bow down)?
    The answer from the monarchical mass is simple: therefore. Because holy and all. Paws away from the king-father.

    Felts joke, felts aphorism
    Monarchist loving Nicholas II,
    - it's like a communist who loves Gorbachev.
  22. Gardamir
    Gardamir 17 October 2017 19: 39
    10
    All discussions go to the presence of a third party. It seems to be talking about Chubais and Poklonskaya, but invisibly next to the third. The one in whose board Chubais feels at ease, the one whose deputies are engaged in anything but their activities. How much time did Poklonskaya spend on promoting the film Matilda? But she is a deputy. But tell me, who is stronger than our president, that he set up the Yeltsin Center, hung up Mannerheim’s board, closes the Mausoleum, who is this giant that the president cannot handle.
    Everything is simple for me, people or capitalism. I am against a person who recently, in violation of Article 41 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, proposed to minimize free medical care. And look how many anti-Soviet films were thrown onto the TV screens. But this is money and considerable. So all these Chubais-Poklonsky, this is one field of berries. One should be proud of what is being done for the People, for the country, and not for the supposedly "successful" foreign policy.
    1. Elevator in the building
      Elevator in the building 17 October 2017 21: 40
      +2
      that's just how to bring it to a huge number of our fellow citizens ..?
  23. Old Horseradish
    Old Horseradish 17 October 2017 19: 43
    +7
    Of course, I strongly apologize, but this is some kind of brain oncology. In fact, the fact of reinforced concrete, we now have one ideology - О-Л-И-Г-А-Р-Х-И-Ч-Е-С-К-А-Я !!! A trillion bucks officially with the Americans. Money withdrawn (stolen) from Russia. This is official. No, we are starting to hang crazy about Poklonskaya's monarchism, about some liberals, about spots in the sun and Navalny’s runny nose. Maybe still think about the oligarchs? Who are they? What are they doing? Ile not with a hand? Or grandmas do not pay for it?
  24. Livonetc
    Livonetc 17 October 2017 20: 03
    0
    He was personally acquainted with a person who claimed to be a descendant of Nikolai’s connection with Kshesinskaia.
    He is an interesting person, with an excellent education and outwardly complied with.
    Beautifully explained.
    However, he cursed masterly, but in the case.
    He was at that time the head of construction where they intersected.
    There was no reason to disbelieve his version of the grounds.
    1. Igor Polovodov
      Igor Polovodov 18 October 2017 21: 43
      +3
      I know him, Ostap Bender, not otherwise
  25. midshipman
    midshipman 17 October 2017 20: 13
    +4
    Thank you Roman, wonderful article and good analysis. I have the honor.
  26. Fedya2017
    Fedya2017 17 October 2017 20: 50
    10
    Leave already these church ravings about saints, angels, archangels, etc. mythology. From this priests and other servants of religions feed up to shamans and sorcerers in wild tribes ... This is the source of their income, this is their "profession". As for Lady Poklonskaya, then psychiatrists know such a diagnosis as the Tsar’s Bride. It's like fans, in a simple and popular way - crazy ... They even experience a buzz similar to sexual satisfaction when they see and touch the images of their idol, or in another way - the object of adoration. This is a clinic ...
    1. A.V.S.
      A.V.S. 18 October 2017 03: 23
      +3
      To you here.hhhhhhhhhhhhh
      1. Fedya2017
        Fedya2017 18 October 2017 11: 10
        0
        Quote: A.W.S.
        To you here.hhhhhhhhhhhhh

        This is unlikely ... Every herd is always a herd.
    2. free
      free 19 October 2017 09: 53
      0
      Quote: Fedya2017
      Leave already these church ravings about saints, angels, archangels, etc. mythology. From this priests and other servants of religions feed up to shamans and sorcerers in wild tribes ... This is the source of their income, this is their "profession". As for Lady Poklonskaya, then psychiatrists know such a diagnosis as the Tsar’s Bride. It's like fans, in a simple and popular way - crazy ... They even experience a buzz similar to sexual satisfaction when they see and touch the images of their idol, or in another way - the object of adoration. This is a clinic ...

      If this is true, then this is a problem, including for those whose deputy this person is
  27. Fedya2017
    Fedya2017 17 October 2017 20: 58
    13
    As there were two troubles in Russia. and stayed. The classic was right ...
  28. Old Horseradish
    Old Horseradish 17 October 2017 21: 14
    +6
    Don't like the monarchy? Well, enjoy the Trotskyist oligarchy. These "patriots" have already withdrawn a trillion dollars to the United States and are hanging us the noodles that they are allegedly fighting the Americans. In general, now is the time - the ball of Satan. Watch the video. Very talented shot. And you clung to Poklonskaya. We found a girl for strength. Heroes ...
    1. Elevator in the building
      Elevator in the building 17 October 2017 21: 43
      +2
      and she is the product of their production, and no one touches her while doing her work, and not clowning and the spread of obscurantism and stupidity!
    2. free
      free 19 October 2017 09: 56
      0
      Quote: Old Horseradish
      Don't like the monarchy? Well, enjoy the Trotskyist oligarchy. These "patriots" have already withdrawn a trillion dollars to the United States and are hanging us the noodles that they are allegedly fighting the Americans. In general, now is the time - the ball of Satan. Watch the video. Very talented shot. And you clung to Poklonskaya. We found a girl for strength. Heroes ...

      Feast during the plague is not otherwise
  29. Elevator in the building
    Elevator in the building 17 October 2017 21: 34
    12
    Well comrades, in fact, you didn’t know (?) - before the Great October Revolution, everyone (well, absolutely everyone) who didn’t fart violets at balls was an extremely prosperous and successful farmer, and the FSE was himself, literally, the FSE! And then, the terrible and vile Soviets of all workers and peasants got out of the Nyotkudovsky Siberian prison camps, can you imagine ?! And the holy, most honest, well, just a living icon of grandeur - bang bang.
    And not one of this monarcholiberoid scum will even take an interest - but what and how the vast majority of the population of that marvelous country ate. And when you poke their noses at documents and lectures, such a cry is heard about the red propaganda that any dialogue becomes impossible.
    PS And about the worship - well, so she herself once a month "streams", it’s also a saint to do ..? And by the way, when did the bandit shoot her? Tell us..
    1. Fedya2017
      Fedya2017 17 October 2017 22: 40
      +1
      Correctly ! And about this madame, though mischievous - but true !! Why is a woman scandalous? From the fact that her desires do not coincide with her capabilities ... That's all.
    2. novel66
      novel66 19 October 2017 09: 49
      +3
      what they ate is known !! Nekrasov ... "relatives sat down to dinner, cabbage and kvass with bread ..."
  30. populist
    populist 17 October 2017 23: 24
    +1
    Good article, correct. good
    And the essence of the monarchists, whiteguards and the like (affectionate) is that they are the ideological, political, public cover for the liberals, fool often without realizing it. request
  31. vladmort
    vladmort 18 October 2017 00: 27
    +2
    The main problem is that over the past 400 years, Russian people are pretty stupid. In 1613, our ancestors perfectly understood that without an autocratic monarchy sovereignty and statehood were impossible, the next 300 years of history proved their truth, the subsequent 100 years of history proved them right in a square. Even with these examples in front of us, we cannot interpret them correctly.

    And by the way, to the question of the achievements of socialism, all the achievements of socialism are connected with the activities of I.V. Stalin. But Stalin is not a socialist, but rather a sovereign forced to act in a hostile anti-power paradigm. As a result, the system defeated Stalin, returned to its natural state, and almost instantly self-destructed.
  32. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 18 October 2017 06: 09
    +6
    I do not agree with the author that the "monarchists" do not have a specific goal. There is one more! The main goal is the revival of the official "nobility" and, of course, "servility" - where would it be without it. "Nobility" will allow "officially" "a crowd of greedy crowds at the throne" and will give "indulgence" to moral depravity and "untouchability" that is, put them above the "dirty, holosny crowd" ... They sleep and see: good (for them) the king, himself-noblemen, and the mob-slaves, creeping before them in the mud ...
    1. novel66
      novel66 19 October 2017 09: 50
      +5
      that's the problem! everyone wants in the nobles, but where are the slaves to recruit?
  33. CONTROL
    CONTROL 18 October 2017 10: 36
    +6
    The useless Nikolai II ... Monster Stalin ... Killer Beria ... Little-educated couch potato Lenin ... Who else?
    ... propaganda, propaganda ...
    Everything that we have NOW - we have thanks by that ignorant ignoramuses and villains! And talk about how it could be if ... about history, about a long time past ... ??? At least - manilovism! And here - at a minimum - respect these "monsters and villains" for what they really did (and they did, for a moment, our present, in which we all live - whether it is good or bad ... and we can do it its better or worse ...) - this, in my opinion, is right!
    This is what?
    This is the oldest ship in the world in the active navy! His name is “Commune” (formerly called “Volkhov”), and he is 102 years old, and he took part in the exercises “Caucasus-2016”! This is the first Russian catamaran ship, and is a rescue boat for submarines; made at the Putilov factory during the reign of the damned and "worthless" Nicholas II. Participated in 2 wars ... rusts and "disappears" in a particularly active mode for a century!
    The hull is made of special viscous forging ship steel, the secret of which is now lost. The condition of the hull to this day is almost perfect - steel structures installed on it in late times corrode on the ship. During his service, he conducted dozens of rescue operations, submersibles plunged from him to record depths. Now it is equipped with a modern English submarine-robot; - and a hundred years ago, Princess Maria Nikolaevna, daughter of the king, launched him into the water, breaking a traditional bottle of champagne.
    --------------------------------------
    ... let's talk about backward tsarism and the impoverished backward Russia with a plow and a hungry man in the village ....
    1. notingem
      notingem 18 October 2017 15: 52
      0
      And cho further. There is a ship. There is no tsarism
    2. viktorch
      viktorch 18 October 2017 16: 10
      +4
      Th cool, do not tell me more fully how exactly this ship helped the Russian empire to become a maritime superpower, or just floats an unnecessary galosh.

      let’s mention the tsar’s cannon, the same achievement, and haven’t melted it yet, I think it’s possible to break through the American pro if you shoot not with cores but with ten monarchists and their sponsors tied together.
      1. CONTROL
        CONTROL 20 October 2017 09: 10
        +1
        Quote: viktorch
        Th cool, do not tell me more fully,

        Bro, throw your iPhone to hell! rubbish .. Some kind of casiol came up with it - something like Jobs was called to him, in fact, ah! And take off your jeans - they say that they will take the form of "leg" they were soaked in horse urine before ... bastards! I came up with some kind of "Montana" or "Super Rifle ... And I remembered - Lebanese ... Levie, along with the bird - an ostrich ...
        ---------------------------------------
        Not respecting your past, you vegetate in the present and you have no future.
        If you shoot a pistol into the past, the future will shoot you from a cannon![B] [/ b]
  34. notingem
    notingem 18 October 2017 15: 49
    +3
    Poklonskaya obstinacy began to resemble Novodvorskaya. Sorry for comparing no other
  35. Fox
    Fox 19 October 2017 09: 00
    +2
    The novel is burning !!! I take off my hat, really correct notes. and then, because we have: if you are not for PU, then for NA ... like, people have no brain, as well as a choice, however.
  36. capitosha1rang
    capitosha1rang 19 October 2017 09: 15
    +4
    I can’t be silent - Count Leo Tolstoy wrote at one time - “the conscience of the Russian intelligentsia” of the early twentieth century.
    We are with you, graduates of Soviet higher educational institutions studied closely and "Leo Tolstoy as a mirror of the Russian revolution" and outlined his "anchor" work "I can not be silent."
    Interestingly, today's defenders of Nicholas II - the "Bloody" and his secret servant - the provocateur of the priest Gapon, who substituted the hard workers under the gun shots of the 9 of January 1905 of the year on Palace Square, know about how Count Tolstoy characterized the tsar?
    "... And the most stupid and inhuman of all, Mr. Romanov, called Nicholas II ...".
    "He who has ears, let him hear."
    BUT who reads Tolstoy today?
    1. vladmort
      vladmort 20 October 2017 00: 01
      0
      Is it that Tolstoy who was excommunicated from the church? Yes, authority. Conscientious, handshake gay ...
  37. Leonid Dymov
    Leonid Dymov 19 October 2017 15: 32
    0
    Monarchism is based on the class of gentlemen - aristocrats and nobles. It is directly or indirectly related to serfdom, which in Europe was conscription, and in Russia real slavery. The main task of the Bolsheviks is to destroy this injustice. Stalin completed this task - the class of gentlemen, clans and corruption were destroyed. After the death of Stalin, the feudal system in the USSR revived. Dukes, bais, beys with party cards came to power. In China, it was even worse - the cultural revolution, shooting at sparrows, smelting cast iron in domestic stoves. But nevertheless, China has dealt with the feudal system and is turning into an economic giant, and we still can not cope with its princes, bays, beys and their slaves.
    The mistake of the Bolsheviks was that they immediately wanted to jump from feudalism into communism, bypassing developed capitalism. The liberal idea does not contradict either capitalism or socialism. The developed countries of the West live under socialism. In the Russian Federation, liberals are called banal traitors who betray the homeland of the United States and NATO for 30 pieces of silver. And in the West, the Liberals are the patriots of their countries.
  38. Leonid Dymov
    Leonid Dymov 19 October 2017 15: 51
    0
    In Western countries, the feudal system was supported by the Catholic Church. Protestants destroyed feudalism, paving the way for the development of society and the economy. In Russia, everything is much more complicated. Boris Godunov did everything possible to establish the institute of patriarchate in Russia. Godunov had a harmonious relationship with the Patriarch of All Russia, but our other rulers did not have this relationship, for the tsar and the patriarch stood at the head of the Orthodox Church. Patriarch Filaret (Romanov), with the help of intrigue, helped to become the king of his son Mikhail, although Prince Porzharsky more deserved this title. Grandson of Michael Peter I abolished the patriarchate. The patriarchate and monarchy in Russia are incompatible. With the fall of the monarchy, the patriarchate was revived. The presidential republic is best suited for Russia - God's god - Caesar Caesarean.
  39. sa-ag
    sa-ag 20 October 2017 10: 23
    0
    But what are the liberals like Chubais, Nemtsov, Yavlinsky, except the first one, they have never been figures and have never influenced anything, it’s rather some kind of bugbear, but where is the mention of Kudrin, Nabiullina and the person who identified himself publicly and claimed these characters?
  40. Gormenghast
    Gormenghast 20 October 2017 11: 12
    +2
    I do not wish to live in a society built on "American designs", especially if this is done by the hands of Chubais and Co.

    Why?
    and. Because in the USA everything is not as claimed by the liberals. Because, according to ideology, a fascist regime was established in the USA.
    b. Because I observed the experiments of Chubais and I have the right to judge whether I liked them or not.
    at. Because I found the USSR not performed by Gorbachev.

    Monarchists are more complicated. As you might guess, I did not find the monarchy. laughing I am even inclined to partially admit that Soviet history was not entirely fair; it is possible that before the age of 17 there was something useful. This is easy to see if only by the way the victorious consumers (and other categories of brown thieves) blasphemed the USSR for 91 years.

    But what does history-related ersatz-monarchist ideology have to do with history? I am a believing Christian, but I will allow myself to express doubt about the sanctity of some individuals - if only because in the Scriptures there are simply no saints to whom the appropriate ranks are assigned. And about the saints to whom the ranks are assigned from above, I do not know anything. Therefore, monarchist ideology, when it is presented in such forms (especially with myrrh-streaming busts), is alien to me as well.

    Accordingly, both projects have a devastating effect. From this point of view, it is probably possible to combine them. To the author plus.
  41. Altona
    Altona 20 October 2017 11: 14
    +2
    Quote: Nikolai S.
    Poklonskaya arouses respect, and those who have nothing to defend do not inspire respect.

    --------------------------
    After leaving her with a portrait of the citizen of the king on May 9, her already loose authority for me became generally lower than the plinth. Poklonskaya is an ideological saboteur.
  42. Altona
    Altona 20 October 2017 11: 16
    0
    Quote: Leonid Dymov
    The patriarchate and monarchy in Russia are incompatible. With the fall of the monarchy, the patriarchate was revived. The presidential republic is best suited for Russia - God's god - Caesar Caesarean.

    -----------------------------------
    The socialist republic is best suited, but no one will let it revive.
  43. nnz226
    nnz226 21 October 2017 19: 25
    0
    The phrase: “Oh dead or good, or - nothing!”, As in half the proverbs and sayings cut off! It sounds like this: "Oh dead or good, or - nothing, EXCEPT the TRUTH!" so the truth about the last "Tsarskoye Selo gopher" is such that I am generally surprised how he himself and his degenerate family were counted among the saints ??? Ah, they were killed ?! Then why were almost 5000 Muscovites and guests killed in Khodynka not counted as saints, and this ram was dancing at a reception at the French ambassador when Moscow called in sobs! Or almost 2000 workers, their wives and children killed on Bloody Sunday 1905 of the year ?? Or killed on the Lena River in 1912 year ??? And then rush with squalor, the Orthodox Church in my eyes after ranking these ... lost a lot!
  44. long in stock.
    long in stock. 22 October 2017 10: 15
    0
    Olgovich,
    complete nonsense. apparently written by the same dreamer like you. thank God there is something to remember and someone to ask .. go chtol little article about the fact that olgovich is the illegitimate sister of the last Mars ampirator and put in tyrnet .. and even better, facebook is the same now irrefutable evidence ..