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Does the White House actually declare war on Iran?

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The presidential administration of the United States issued a statement regarding the new strategy for Iran. The strategy involves confrontation "destabilizing the Iranian state." The question of how Washington is related to this region is certainly not answered by the Trump administration. Although, there is nothing to answer, as representatives of the American media do not routinely ask such questions to the state apparatus.


Does the White House actually declare war on Iran?


From the statement:
The United States will take measures to neutralize the influence of Iran, destabilizing the region. In particular, measures will be taken to prevent Iran from supporting terrorist groups in the region. We will revive traditional alliances, consider the possibility of creating regional alliances against the subversive activities of Iran and to restore the balance of power in the region.


I wonder what kind of “lost” balance of forces in the region the United States is trying to declare, if Washington has long armed all its “partners” in the region weapons for many billions of dollars. And if we consider that one of the American allies in the Middle East has de facto nuclear weapons, then the balance of forces is definitely not in favor of Iran.

The statement says that international efforts will be made to condemn "gross violations of the norms of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps" and against keeping American citizens in Iran behind bars.

Recall that earlier the United States decided to rank the IRGC as a terrorist organization.

All these actions are very similar to the real declaration of war on Iran by the United States.
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  1. Skay
    Skay 13 October 2017 12: 49
    +7
    Each US president has his own war. Trump wants to fight with Iran.
    1. Dimontius
      Dimontius 13 October 2017 13: 05
      10
      Declares war on Iran, North Korea, Russia, Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq, Venezuela + conflict in South Asia ..... not tearing itself off ??? Trump is a bluff master
      1. Arzoo
        Arzoo 13 October 2017 19: 14
        0
        No one will be at war with the DPRK. It’s not Iran, it’s rather Vietnam.
        1. The comment was deleted.
    2. brick
      brick 13 October 2017 13: 25
      +1
      Not Trump wants to fight with Iran, they want to fight the exiles, but Trump is a torpedo, under a star-striped sign!
  2. aszzz888
    aszzz888 13 October 2017 12: 49
    +9
    ... the campaign to the mericatos SHOULD fight somewhere so that the profit rolls ... angry
    1. d ^ Amir
      d ^ Amir 13 October 2017 13: 16
      10
      I didn’t make a profit, but there was an opportunity to write off a public debt !!!!! those. to carry out the kiddock of the rest of the world ... to whom the truth will be very much not up to it .... it will be necessary to urgently tackle the difficulties and difficulties organized by amers ..... they seem to have been pressed very hard ...
    2. iConst
      iConst 13 October 2017 13: 18
      +2
      Quote: aszzz888
      ... the campaign to the mericatos SHOULD fight somewhere so that the profit rolls ... angry

      Geldings need to maintain terribl around the world so that Pendoststan with its bucks is a "safe haven." Hence the "profit".
      As the opportunities and attractiveness of this “safe haven” decrease, they will try to increase the degree of instability. The question is how far they can go - whether they will ignite Geyropu.
    3. Kent0001
      Kent0001 14 October 2017 16: 45
      0
      usa must be destroyed. otherwise the world cannot see the world.
  3. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 13 October 2017 12: 51
    13
    My heart smells - we are on the verge of a grandiose raucer ...... The USA has become very aggressive against all those who are objectionable !!! Russia needs to prepare in full ....... if the striped policy does not change, then it’s certain that it can reach World War III.
    1. Stalingradpobeda
      Stalingradpobeda 13 October 2017 13: 09
      0
      There will be no war. What are you making up? Where are they against Russia. Faster, they will destroy us financially.
      1. iConst
        iConst 13 October 2017 13: 21
        +2
        Quote: Stalingradpobeda
        Faster, they will destroy us financially.

        What is it like? Tell the script.
      2. Doliva63
        Doliva63 13 October 2017 17: 17
        +5
        Against Russia? Yes Easy! They will sign Europe and Ukraine under this business, they themselves will sit behind a puddle, business!
    2. iConst
      iConst 13 October 2017 13: 20
      0
      Quote: Alexey-74
      My heart smells - we are on the verge of a grandiose raucer ...... The USA has become very aggressive against all those who are objectionable !!!

      Everyone who is trying to ignore the buck is objectionable. And see my post above why.
  4. Vard
    Vard 13 October 2017 12: 52
    +8
    The country is not scared of presidents .... It seems that every American president considers his duty to be marked by war ...
    1. _person_
      _person_ 13 October 2017 13: 46
      +2
      It seems like every American president, the ruling elite in the United States is eager to hang out another war. Explaining this as the eccentricity of the new leader. Well, he wanted to and that's it ..
      The reason is the thirst for easy money and the desire to maintain the status quo
  5. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 13 October 2017 12: 53
    +7
    The US will take measures to neutralize the influence of Iran, destabilizing the region

    An old mournful song that is heard in the evenings from the windows of the White House. Assad was overthrown, Russia was isolated, North Korea was neutralized, now it is Iran’s turn. No matter how sick the painful ones are.
    1. Partyzan
      Partyzan 13 October 2017 13: 02
      +7
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Old mournful song
      But can they come up with something new?
  6. assa67
    assa67 13 October 2017 12: 54
    +3
    Well, a plug in all the holes .... "we will consider the possibility of creating regional alliances" .... not all terrorists are still armed, it reads that way in the context ...
  7. Livonetc
    Livonetc 13 October 2017 13: 02
    +1
    Quote: Alexey-74
    My heart smells - we are on the verge of a grandiose raucer ...... The USA has become very aggressive against all those who are objectionable !!! Russia needs to prepare in full ....... if the striped policy does not change, then it’s certain that it can reach World War III.

    We are on the verge of tremendous success.
    From Patent No. 6 under the striped flag are already shy.
    Now all the flags will be visiting us.
  8. Not served
    Not served 13 October 2017 13: 14
    0
    Well, yes, with such rhetoric, they will be able to dial into their allies only at the end of the frostbitten ones. Even the Saudis are already looking to the side.
  9. askort154
    askort154 13 October 2017 13: 16
    +1
    A unipolar world is bursting at the seams. Russia has stirred up that part of the world whose states in their hearts hate the "exclusive nation" that has taken on the role of world policeman. The policeman begins to freak out, threaten, he will soon begin to agonize.
  10. high
    high 13 October 2017 13: 54
    0
    Russian Defense Ministry spokesman Alexander Emelyanov: Information and intelligence tools of the American missile defense system now provide not only the launch of Russian ballistic missiles, their tracking along the flight path, but also targeting missile defense systems for intercepting warheads of ballistic missiles ....
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 13 October 2017 14: 22
      +7
      Everything is not so sour ... they track known positional areas, they can track the start. BUT errors are not measured, precisely no one knows how to analyze and filter out false ones, not to miss true launches. And this has not yet been carried out mass launches (tfu-tfu-tfu, so there wasn’t).
      With target designation the same garbage, so sleep peacefully ... no one dares to conduct an experiment to check the real situation !!!
      By the way, no one monitors missile launches from mobile installations, boats, ships, aircraft operating from non-typical positions, only by chance. A global control system DOES NOT EXIST !!!
      If you did not detect a start, what guidance / target designation can be ??? At the final stage of the approach, when it enters a tightly controlled area! And here it happened, as far as possible, as soon as possible.
  11. wot
    wot 13 October 2017 14: 10
    +3
    Quote: alta
    Russian Defense Ministry spokesman Alexander Emelyanov: Information and intelligence tools of the American missile defense system now provide not only the launch of Russian ballistic missiles, their tracking along the flight path, but also targeting missile defense systems for intercepting warheads of ballistic missiles ....

    don’t rejoice .... all the warheads can’t be intercepted anyway ... the answer will be anyway and the whole world will not sit in ruin in Jerusalem soldier
  12. Homos
    Homos 13 October 2017 15: 42
    0
    My heart feels that it’s not just that the Baltic simply ... sorry, Baltic tigers and troops are stationed on Polish territory. In the case of a sheher in Syria and especially Iran, it is necessary to take our leadership and our army so that it takes care of another region and pumps it up with troops.
  13. Doliva63
    Doliva63 13 October 2017 17: 15
    +4
    It's time for Iran to declare the United States a terrorist organization, probably.
  14. vearey
    vearey 13 October 2017 18: 09
    0
    A cheat is incomprehensible here? Trump decided to take the side of the Sunnis. Subsequent events hopefully confirm this direction.
    1. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 14 October 2017 00: 43
      +2
      Quote: vearey
      Trump decided to take the side of the Sunnis.

      Trump took the side of Israel, from a low start (his son-in-law will not let him lie). I’ll tell you a secret: Trump does not even know who the Sunnis and Shiites are. yes
      1. vearey
        vearey 14 October 2017 09: 50
        0
        I'll tell you a secret: Trump does not even know
        Well, yes, he is the president of America, the creator of a large economic empire does not know, and you already know that. Then you will howl about stereotypes about Russians.
  15. Großer feldherr
    Großer feldherr 13 October 2017 19: 07
    0
    I also understand why they are afraid to touch you, the thermonuclear response and the densely populated region, all this is a big risk.
    But for me it’s a mystery why America has not yet demolished Iran, a country that has neither a powerful army, nor patrons, nor nuclear weapons ...
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 13 October 2017 19: 40
      +3
      Iran does not have a powerful army ???
      I understand that the exam is a diagnosis ... but not to the same extent !!!
      Read and not think ... not think but write ???
      1. Großer feldherr
        Großer feldherr 13 October 2017 20: 11
        +3
        Iran does not have a powerful army, it is a fact. If an order is given, there is no doubt that the USAF will destroy the Iranian Armed Forces within an hour, and the war with the remaining semi-partisan Bedouins such as the IRGC is practically the native element for the Americans and their allies.
        ..........
        Not the victims of the Unified State Examination destroyed their homeland, started a criminal war for redistribution, after which they gladly gave all power to the thieves' oligarchy.
        .... and about how water was charged through the screens of TVs, descendants would remember with laughter for all sorts of MMM for centuries to come.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 13 October 2017 21: 25
          +4
          Exactly from the Unified State ... it thinks that the Persians are Bedouins!
          It’s better not to cross with you ... though they’re not bash-buzuki, they’ll definitely make a hatchet for an insult.
          For not the Unified State University, what can I say, to know Lenin-Marx, poetry, literature, geography, history, physics, astronomy and not have elementary concepts for the economy, to fall for an elementary scam. People didn’t read, About Henry with his stories for swindlers, not everyone saw life abroad, they were too trusting ... they believed in the party / power, which quickly became possessed. Whatever it was called now, it was TROUBLE, TRAGEDY of my generation.
          The NEXT generation, for some reason, believes in a liberal democratic bright future led by crooks.
          In general, each generation has its own cockroaches in the head and only time will tell the truth.
  16. padded jacket
    padded jacket 13 October 2017 19: 17
    0
    In general, it will be interesting to see how “furious” Trump will break the agreement that, in addition to the United States, has also been signed by Russia, China, Great Britain, and the United Nations.
    Although this action clearly indicates the victory of the Jewish lobby in the US government and I think that his actions will lead to only one formation of another nuclear state that the United States and Israel hate
  17. razved
    razved 13 October 2017 19: 32
    0
    Oh overestimate their whale whale strengths. Absolutely divorced from reality ...
  18. faterdom
    faterdom 13 October 2017 20: 52
    0
    Well, did the Iranians seem to promise to declare US troops terrorists? And they have much more reasons than the Americans to recall at least a downed Iranian passenger airliner (unlike the muddy Lockerbie, for which Gaddafi was considered a terrorist for more than 20 years, or the even more muddy Malaysian Boeing, for which sanctions were imposed on Russia).
  19. afrikanez
    afrikanez 13 October 2017 22: 12
    +1
    Kouchner snarled, and Trump went wild like a rooster. lol
  20. Old26
    Old26 14 October 2017 00: 37
    0
    Quote: rocket757
    Iran does not have a powerful army ???
    I understand that the exam is a diagnosis ... but not to the same extent !!!
    Read and not think ... not think but write ???

    And what do you mean by a powerful army? Quantity or quality? Quantitatively - this is really a half-million formation, qualitatively - mostly trash, weapons of the late 80s

    Quote: alta
    Russian Defense Ministry spokesman Alexander Emelyanov: Information and intelligence tools of the American missile defense system now provide not only the launch of Russian ballistic missiles, their tracking along the flight path, but also targeting missile defense systems for intercepting warheads of ballistic missiles ....

    Emelyanov discovered the secret of polishingel. The ground and space echelon of the SPRN is engaged in providing detection and tracking, and the radar of firing systems - by the interception itself

    Quote: Großer Feldherr
    I also understand why they are afraid to touch you, the thermonuclear response and the densely populated region, all this is a big risk.
    But for me it’s a mystery why America has not yet demolished Iran, a country that has neither a powerful army, nor patrons, nor nuclear weapons ...

    Even Americans can hope if they wage several wars at once. Therefore, it was not up to Iran. When Iran began its nuclear program - they began to take it seriously, but it didn’t have enough strength for Iran - there was Iraq, Afghanistan and something smaller along the way ..

    Quote: quilted jacket
    In general, it will be interesting to see how “furious” Trump will break the agreement that, in addition to the United States, has also been signed by Russia, China, Great Britain, and the United Nations.

    Most interesting. Or does he consider himself so infallible? So, impeachment is not far
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 14 October 2017 09: 20
      +3
      Let’s assume that none of us was there ... all the data is from the media, and this is as it were not reliable!
      I want to remind you that a significant part of the weapons in most countries, in the Yusovites, is also from the last century, so do not hesitate to give an answer to ANY enemy for the land forces and the Iranian Navy ... of course, if the adversary is on gliders, with lasers and railguns !!! then ah ...
      What can his opponents trump ??? Aircraft, rockets, cyber attacks and finances ...
      The Iranians made conclusions, really worked .... now they have air defense and electronic warfare !!! - the fact is confirmed, there is no doubt ... they will be able to inflict unacceptable damage on the adversary,
      What else - a missile attack ... Iran does not have a full missile defense, but they work, and if anyone helps! in fact, a missile attack is effective when it is an WMD ... question, they dare, the roof was completely blown away ???
      What remains - cyber and financial attack ... I doubt if it is worth considering ... HOW DO YOU THINK ???
      1. vearey
        vearey 14 October 2017 09: 52
        0
        fact confirmed
        How is it confirmed?
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 14 October 2017 10: 37
          +3
          It is worth clarifying ... for me personally, the fact of Iran having full-fledged air defense is not in doubt.
          Suppose my student ... is not one of the favorites, but the spec is good. He should know this ... in short, he has such a service.
          What they need, they covered ...
          1. vearey
            vearey 14 October 2017 13: 19
            0
            What they need, they covered
            I respect your opinion, but the Iraqis also covered, the Syrians, too, about the Yugoslavs and Libyans and do not speak. But it ended, with what ended.
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 14 October 2017 14: 51
              +3
              About the Syrians ... what was lost as a result of ground operations. From what remains of the air defense is not to hide.
              Iraq, Libya ... shuffling from side to side has not brought anyone to good. As a result. when weapons were needed without an upgrade, high-quality repair, modernization ...... it becomes ineffective, shorter trash. I think no need to remind of excessive conceit and attempts to sit on several chairs of the leaders of these countries. About donkey with a bag of gold and many, many promises, we also do not forget.
              Yugoslavia ... and did not really prepare, shy away from here and there, were not mentally ready ... in the mass. Then they surrendered their defenders !!! Et says something about the state of society ??? In general, liberalization \ democratization in its purest form.
              Why, I argue, so long, approaching Iran ... the motivation that drives society at significant moments in history is very important. In Iran, most of the "vices" I have listed. not that it is not at all, but it is suppressed by a monolithic religious society very qualitatively.
              There is a monolithic, motivated society that really works for its purpose !!!
              They also have helpers, do not hesitate.
              Yusovtsy have nothing to catch there ... in the stone age of Iran they will not be thrown back, but there will be costs !!! and it will be not only material / financial losses !!!
  21. Old26
    Old26 14 October 2017 10: 56
    0
    Quote: rocket757
    Let’s assume that none of us was there ... all the data is from the media, and this is as it were not reliable!

    Based on your promise
    Let’s assume that none of us was there ... all the data is from the media, and this is as it were not reliable!

    any Internet site, in particular, VO, can be closed, because 99% of those who write were not in most places and do not know about most of what they write personally, because they were not there.
    Let us nevertheless not go over to conspiracy theories, but proceed from facts. In addition to the media and publications, there are a fairly large number of reference books that have proven themselves for decades and centuries, which can be used. In addition, no one bothers to use their own archives (if you have them) and their own heads. Therefore, to include conspiracy thesis that we cannot know, because knowledge is only from the media, and this is unreliable, but it’s not worth it

    Quote: rocket757
    I want to remind you that a significant part of the weapons in most countries, in the Yusovites, is also from the last century, so do not hesitate to give an answer to ANY enemy for the land forces and the Iranian Navy ... of course, if the adversary is on gliders, with lasers and railguns !!! then ah.

    The weapons of most countries, although they come from the last century, are regularly modernized. In the same Russia as in the USA, armored parts are tanks of the last century, sometimes constructed in the 70s, but it is unlikely that you and I will meet the same T-72A or MIG-29A tank and F-16A in the armed forces and Abrams M1 in the army. These machines have not been around for a long time, but there are their modernized versions created in the 90s and zero years. But Iran has such weapons.
    There is for example a full set of tanks_ Soviet T-72S, American M60A1; Soviet T-62, T-54, T-55 Chinese T-59, American M-47 / M-48, British "Chieftain", Iranian Safir-74 and finally the modern Iranian Zulfiqar.
    There are the same MIG-29As that flew from Iraq at the beginning of the first Gulf War, that is, in the early 90s. There are already THREE boats of project 877, which for almost three decades have never been repaired at the shipyards where they were created, that is, with us. It’s even hard to say what this former “black hole in the ocean” has now become.
    Continue what is the Iranian Navy? These are two dozen mini-boats with 2 torpedoes and autonomy in 7 days. This is a large number of small boats with 1-2 anti-ship missiles with a range of 2-3 tens of kilometers. This is a "hodgepodge" of anti-ship missiles, ranging from missiles created in the 50s to rockets from the early 90s of Chinese production. Enough light with a short range. Yes, there may be a significant number of them on the shore, but is there any point in them if there are 3 hundred kilometers to the enemy?

    Quote: rocket757
    What can his opponents trump ??? Aircraft, rockets, cyber attacks and finances ...
    The Iranians made conclusions, really worked .... now they have air defense and electronic warfare !!! - the fact is confirmed, there is no doubt ... they will be able to inflict unacceptable damage on the adversary,

    But is this not enough? Fleet, aviation, missiles? The same cyber attack 10 years ago threw off the Iranian nuclear program for a couple of years, since a “worm” was introduced and several thousand centrifuges stopped working. Iran certainly has air defense. So what? "Hodgepodge" of systems such as the American "Hawk" 80s supply, the Chinese clones of the French "Krotal", the English short-range missiles "Rapier" and "Tigerket", the old Soviet S-75 and their Chinese clones, 1- 2 S-200 batteries, again in the 70s, MANPADS "Stinger", "Arrow" "Needle". Of the new ones, there are 4 S-300 divisions, a certain number of Tor complexes, and two dozen Armor shells. And all this diversity is Iran’s air defense. It seems to be just a lot, in fact - NOTHING that can stop the invasion. It is not necessary from the electronic warfare systems to do a panacea for all occasions. The Americans during the first war in Iraq showed perfectly that they can use electronic warfare quite effectively. Moreover, Iran hardly has systems at least at the level of the Americans and us

    Quote: rocket757
    What else - a missile attack ... Iran does not have a full missile defense, but they work, and if anyone helps! in fact, a missile attack is effective when it is an WMD ... question, they dare, the roof was completely blown away ???

    The only trump card among the Iranians is missile forces. About 3-4 dozen medium-range missiles. But there is no point in them. What can a warhead make of 1 ton of explosives if it falls 2-3 hundred meters from the aiming point. Without WMD, this is only for a “city war”. Attempting to use chemistry as a warhead for strikes in cities - a direct path to the scaffold
    Do Americans dare to strike at Iran? Why not. Unlike the North Koreans, they cannot even inflict adequate damage. It’s easier to track missile carriers, which are trailers-semitrailers 2 meters long, than to track Iraqi SCADs in the early 90's. Technology has changed, and now satellite systems can do something that a quarter century ago could not. So technically, Americans can. Although the reason for this is the failure of the Iranians to fulfill the 6 + 1 agreement. The Iranians basically carry it out. And the fact that Trump considers the IRGC a terrorist organization is a US problem. Each country has a list of such organizations. For some, the IRGC is terrorists, for others not. For some, Hamas and Hezbollah — terrorist organizations — are not for others. For some, the same "Free Syrian Army" may be a terrorist organization - for others, no

    Quote: rocket757
    What remains - cyber and financial attack ... I doubt if it is worth considering ... HOW DO YOU THINK ???

    It is worth considering everything. A cyber attack can do just as much damage as a bomb strike. I wrote about Iran’s nuclear program and the consequences of a cyber attack on it. Finances - they can also cause damage if they do it skillfully, and not through, as Americans like to act.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 14 October 2017 12: 24
      +3
      All the facts listed above ... I know, I take into account, but in our correspondence dispute there is a fundamental discrepancy.
      I consider the situation only from the point of view of protecting sovereignty and preserving the state.
      Your analysis is more like a general overview of the Iranian armed forces in terms of various tasks.
      So it seems to me ... so that we either agree on the subject of the dispute, or stop it.
  22. Old26
    Old26 14 October 2017 14: 54
    0
    Quote: rocket757
    All the facts listed above ... I know, I take into account, but in our correspondence dispute there is a fundamental discrepancy.
    I consider the situation only from the point of view of protecting sovereignty and preserving the state.
    Your analysis is more like a general overview of the Iranian armed forces in terms of various tasks.
    So it seems to me ... so that we either agree on the subject of the dispute, or stop it.

    Well, I did not start it in principle. And it is not clear how it can be considered from the point of view of protecting sovereignty and preserving the state without considering the country's armed forces? How can we say that the army will protect the state if, despite its half-million strength, it is equipped with weapons, which sometimes have a place in the museum than in the troops? This also applies to ground forces, and air defense and the navy. In general, yes, you can give people a gun and send them to land mines, as during the Iran-Iraq war, but this does not solve the problems
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 14 October 2017 18: 31
      +3
      The disagreements on Iran are not fundamental for me.
      It seemed to me. that it will be useful for the victim of the exam to hint that in life it’s not like in Yusov video games. The meeting of the BMD Bradley and any tank, sales are not the hardest for the BMP ends the same ....
      By the way, for weapons, what can I say! What is the richest / equipped army on the Arabian Peninsula? And what can be said for her military "successes"?
      I do not compare them with the Yusovites, but Iran is not the weakest country.
  23. Alex20042004
    Alex20042004 14 October 2017 16: 55
    0
    The USA is the main financier of Alkaida, ISIS and other terrorist organizations.
  24. Old26
    Old26 15 October 2017 12: 18
    0
    Quote: rocket757
    By the way, for weapons, what can I say! What is the richest / equipped army on the Arabian Peninsula? And what can be said for her military "successes"?

    The question is quite interesting and complicated. Serious military operations over the past decades have not been observed there. Now there is a sluggish conflict with semi-partisan formations in Yemen. But this could go on for another decades, as arms (including the Khusites) are supplied with weapons, including and from Iran. It is very difficult to call the fighting serious when one side launches a rocket on the other and is washed off after launch. Although some on Vaud consider the army of Saudi Arabia to be very weak (in terms of morale). I do not know. It is equipped quite well. Most weapons are American and French. The armored units of the KSA are nevertheless distinguished by a smaller dispersion of equipment (in time). The basis of their tank fleet is American Abrams tanks of the M1A2S modification and M70A60 tanks of the 3s, which are sufficiently adapted for operations in those climatic conditions. Such machines they have about 7,5 hundred. Plus one and a half hundred, but already French AMX-30 cars of about the same time (70-80s)
    Strong enough aviation. In particular, about 1,5 hundred F-15 heavy fighters, about the same number (each of more than 60) of Tornado heavy fighters and modern Typhoon light aircraft. There are quite good Navy, there are strategic missile forces equipped with Chinese DF-3A missiles, which are capable of delivering a 2-ton battlefield at a distance of 3000 km, and a lighter one - up to 4500 km. Now the Saudis plan to replace these complexes with the new Chinese DF-31 plus purchase missiles with a range of 2000 km DF-21.
    Air defense - less mottled than in Iran. These are the French Crotal and their local clones, the American Advanced Hawk and the Patriots. And most importantly, all this is a fairly built-up organism, which has been rebuilt for decades. The last wish is to purchase our S-400 complex. and American THAAD. They are already building not only their air defense, but also missile defense.

    Quote: rocket757
    I do not compare them with the Yusovites, but Iran is not the weakest country.

    Not the weakest. But talking about a strong army of Iran is also not necessary. Quantitatively - large, qualitatively - I have already given an example. In the region, it is unlikely to be inferior to anyone other than SA ...
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 15 October 2017 20: 03
      +3
      Seriously, the Saudis come first ??? Their army has always been, is and will be full G .... M .... better than all armed.
      The Persians are preparing for battle seriously! at the same time they understand who they are dealing with, so that everything that was possibly covered up, everything that was necessary was hidden !!! and not to us, with their stupid bluntness,
      to overcome the ancient eastern people.
      The most important non-spoiled, monolithic society also has the opportunity, motivation if you don’t kick your ass, because they obviously will not climb into the linear \ near war, they will spoil from above and from afar., then do not lose this battle.
  25. Old26
    Old26 15 October 2017 22: 18
    0
    Quote: rocket757
    Seriously, the Saudis come first ??? Their army has always been, is and will be full G .... M .... better than all armed.
    The Persians are preparing for battle seriously! at the same time they understand who they are dealing with, so that everything that was possibly covered up, everything that was necessary was hidden !!! and not to us, with their stupid bluntness,
    to overcome the ancient eastern people.
    The most important non-spoiled, monolithic society also has the opportunity, motivation if you don’t kick your ass, because they obviously will not climb into the linear \ near war, they will spoil from above and from afar., then do not lose this battle.

    You can believe that the army of the SA is full g.o, and the Iranian is a masterpiece. Based on what? What are many of them? They 8 years butted with Iraq. So, what is next? There will no longer be wars when the brave Persians go to Saudi cowards. The technology solves, and Iran has so much .... What do not take it - they have nothing normal. There is no normal fleet, no normal air force, ground forces are a set of equipment from several countries of the last 50-60 years. The only more or less serious component, but not for the SA, are Iran's missile forces
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 16 October 2017 11: 43
      +3
      The war with Iraq was for nothing and no matter how. Positional butting without far-reaching plans and goals.
      In fact, they don’t have anything to do with yusy. But after all, butting of line troops is not expected ... maximum bombing and missile attacks !!! And here preparation for which I spoke is important !!! Air defense and missile defense - that is, the interception and destruction of attack means, their carriers.
      There will be losses in technology, which the American military-industrial complex will gladly make up for (here is the loading of enterprises, workers \ voters), plus ... money will be printed for the war, do not hesitate.
      There will be casualties !!! but this is a big minus, because there are and will be problems with this !!!
      And the most important thing is to inflict significant losses on an adversary who was preparing precisely for such an attack !!! Infrastructure, especially oil-refining. you can try to defeat, but it will be a serious war ... and many unpleasant surprises and losses will await the Americans.
      For Iran’s missile program - they only need to hint to their neighbors if you are waiting for gifts !!! and it is unlikely that any sheikh, sultan, prime minister will be so self-confident and will not understand this.
      By the way, they will definitely not let the adversary get closer to their shores ... but to act from afar is not so effective, and even if the enemy has electronic warfare !!!
      That I will not exalt the Armed Forces of Iran, because there is nothing special there, but they can resist sales to a strong aggressor !!!
      Are Saudi aircraft really equipped with modern technology ??? The result is what ???
      Partisans Husits ​​really smash them !!! How do they respond? Bomb indiscriminately!
      If the Americans didn’t support them ... and the Egyptian army, they would pluck them for a long time !!!
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    Old26 16 October 2017 21: 51
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    Quote: rocket757
    For Iran’s missile program - they only need to hint to their neighbors if you are waiting for gifts !!! and it is unlikely that any sheikh, sultan, prime minister will be so self-confident and will not understand this.

    Who should give a hint? Saudis who have more advanced Chinese-made rocket technology? And with greater range and greater payload, not to mention greater accuracy?
    Who to hint at? Israel, which also has more advanced missile technology and layered air defense missile defense?
    No, of course, they can hint to the Jordanians, as well as to the countries of the Persian Gulf (UAE and others). He may even try to destroy them, as Iraq had destroyed and captured Kuwait at one time. recall how it ended for Iraq? Roughly the same thing will happen with Iran if it tries to destroy its neighbors. Nearly, many countries of the world are tied to Persian Gulf oil to enable Iran to destroy one of the local players

    Quote: rocket757
    By the way, they’ll definitely not let the adversary get closer to their shores.

    Can I find out what? Subsonic anti-ship missiles with a range of 70-120 km? What will they not give? Or a pair of destroyers?

    Quote: rocket757
    That I will not exalt the Armed Forces of Iran, because there is nothing special there, but they can resist sales to a strong aggressor !!!

    You contradict yourself. Resist the weapons of the mid-80s and individual modern samples? Or do you think that Iran’s aviation, consisting of F-4, F-5 and F-14, of which it is not known how many are flying at all, because spare parts are not supplied to them since the mid-80s will be able to withstand the one and a half hundred F-15s that are regularly upgraded and equipped with modern reconnaissance equipment, electronic warfare, radars and missiles and fighters of the middle of the first decade of the 21st century "Typhoon"?

    Quote: rocket757
    Are Saudi aircraft really equipped with modern technology ??? The result is what ???
    Partisans Husits ​​really smash them !!! How do they respond? Bomb indiscriminately!

    Do you think you are not equipped? Or can you even compare the relatively old French AMX tanks with the 50s M-47 tanks?
    Well, what about the Hussites. Learn the story. As Soviet partisans armed with light small arms, they smashed the German army with its tanks, aircraft and regular units. As the Mujahideen of Afghanistan armed with light small arms fought the regular Soviet army equipped with missiles, MLRS, and aviation. And as a result, we left Afghanistan, losing more than 13000 people dead. But the "partisans" did not defeat. You must know that partisans defeat IMPOSSIBLE, especially if there is a supply of weapons from outside
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 16 October 2017 23: 14
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      The task is how to hit a specific target ± 7m rocket of 80 years, the target is protected by missile defense.
      Introductory - no more than 5 missiles, USR modernization no more than 25%, completion time 120 r.h.
      The problem is solved, the course participants successfully coped with this.
      By the way, the Israeli super-duper anti-aircraft defense pierced the Hussein’s skies, pierced the BM 24’s primitive rockets (such as hail), pierced the rockets made of pipes !!! This is called Learn history, read the press because military reports are unlikely to be shown to us.
      NO UNBREAKABLE AIR DEFENSE, Iranians will not be able to repel a massive and many point strikes. Here, after all, a counteraction complex should work ... false goals, disguise. countering enemy intelligence ... next on the list.
      Enumerate the presence of the military. I don’t see the point of technology, what is known is not the surprises that Iran has ... they don’t talk about them in the press.
      It is unlikely to check, but the fact that the enemy’s fleet could not approach the shores of Iran at the right distance, aviation could not fly and bomb without losses could be an interesting fact.
      For the land operation ... it's impossible.