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NI: Hypersonic missiles can be installed on almost any ship of the Russian Navy.

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According to American experts, in the middle of the 2020-ies, virtually any Russian Navy ship will be able to get into service a hypersonic Zircon cruise missile capable of flying at speeds above 5 Mach.


As The National Interest notes, several tests of the Zircon were conducted in April of the 2017, although the maximum speed of the 8 Mach is assumed to be overstated, but the truth is that Russia is releasing possibly better missiles in the world.

NI: Hypersonic missiles can be installed on almost any ship of the Russian Navy.


Developed in less than 10 years, the Zircon has an 800-1 range of thousands of kilometers, which is three times as high as the American Harpoon rocket, and its high speed and low visibility for the radar makes it difficult to intercept the missile.

In Russian press reports, Zirkon is described as invulnerable. This is an exaggeration, but the combination of speed and maneuverability really represents a serious threat, writes the publication.

Analysts surveyed by NI note that Russia is developing the Zircon, taking into account the possibility of using a vertical launch system installed on ships of the Navy for its launches.

Bad news for the US Navy is that in the Russian Navy navy this system is equipped from tiny corvettes to heavy battle cruisers
- writes the edition.

The publication concludes that in the future most Russian ships and submarines will receive a hypersonic Zircon rocket, which is “an example of Russia's current modularity and interoperability of weapons”.

The special report of the American Air Force, released in the fall of 2016, said that the US was lagging behind the hypersonic arms race in Russia and China, "Sight"
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  1. bagr69
    bagr69 12 October 2017 15: 59 New
    26
    Ardent greetings to the US carrier fleet from our military-industrial complex!
    1. krops777
      krops777 12 October 2017 16: 05 New
      17
      Hello to the US aircraft carrier fleet!


      Konashenkov was right at the expense of a convenient target, and then here one opponent persistently argued about the invulnerability of American AUGs.
      1. bagr69
        bagr69 12 October 2017 16: 10 New
        +6
        Once the fleet of the z-th Reich was also considered invulnerable, but we all know the results of the verification of its invulnerability.
      2. maxim947
        maxim947 12 October 2017 16: 11 New
        +4
        Without exaggeration, the adoption of the Zircon can be called a new stage in the development of rocket and space technology, and that's cool! The main thing is to make the promise.
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 13 October 2017 14: 35 New
          +2
          Yes, when they adopt and build hundreds of them 2 - it will be cool. So far, no way. hi
      3. just exp
        just exp 12 October 2017 16: 31 New
        +5
        there are no invulnerable targets, but AUG is not invulnerable, it is a paragraph of how difficult the target is.
        and if it is true that Zircon and X-32 hit 1000 km, this greatly facilitates the task, and if not, only submarines can sink / damage AB. since the KUG and the bombers will not reach / swim if the launch range, if the anti-ship missiles with a range of less than 500 km (we also have 700 km of anti-ship missiles, but they will not make the weather and few of their carriers).
      4. ARES623
        ARES623 12 October 2017 18: 19 New
        +5
        Quote: krops777
        Konashenkov was right at the expense of a convenient target, and then here one opponent persistently argued about the invulnerability of American AUGs.

        Konashenkov is right or wrong, only practice will prove. But an underwater drone with a 10Mt charge at a depth of 1000 meters, there really is nothing to repel. Total only one drone - and the "victims" will fall all AUG. wassat
    2. vlad66
      vlad66 12 October 2017 16: 19 New
      +8
      The bad news for the U.S. Navy is that the Russian Navy is equipped with this system from tiny corvettes to heavy battle cruisers

      And then give money to protect yourself from the Russians, I forgot to add an expert.
  2. kepmor
    kepmor 12 October 2017 16: 08 New
    +3
    they’ll put the deliver ... who would doubt ... only by what means to provide the Central Administration at least 500 km, not to mention 800-1000? ...
    1. dubovitskiy.1947
      dubovitskiy.1947 12 October 2017 16: 17 New
      +7
      Quote: kepmor
      they’ll put the deliver ... who would doubt ... only by what means to provide the Central Administration at least 500 km, not to mention 800-1000? ...

      It is impossible to embrace the immensity. Today it is possible to find targets at a distance of, for example, 400 km. Who prevents to destroy the enemy today at such a distance? Tomorrow, it is possible that they will make the distance larger. And as they say, a tablecloth path ....
      The technique is developing unevenly. One will run ahead, the other will fall behind.
    2. just exp
      just exp 12 October 2017 16: 31 New
      +2
      Liana’s replacement is already being introduced into the front, Lotus and Peony.
  3. d ^ Amir
    d ^ Amir 12 October 2017 16: 09 New
    10
    in the mid-2020s, virtually any ship of the Russian Navy will be able to receive a hypersonic cruise missile

    db !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (c) S.V. Lavrov .....

    Of course, it’s not yet Zircon, it’s an export “caliber” .... but if, as they say, the launchers are unified !!!!!
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 12 October 2017 16: 39 New
      15
      Containers of such floats exactly 0 ZERO pieces.
      1. d ^ Amir
        d ^ Amir 12 October 2017 16: 40 New
        +4
        and maybe on occasion ??? it's on the topic "almost any ship of the Navy ..." ... let every barge flinch ...
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 12 October 2017 18: 47 New
          +2
          Quote: d ^ Amir
          and maybe on occasion ???

          They can, but they won’t.
          Quote: d ^ Amir
          .. let every barge flinch ...

          What for?
          You see, a rocket is a cartridge. You know that a bullet is included in the cartridge and that a bullet kills a person, and very far from it. But in order to shoot a person from afar, a sniper rifle must be attached to the cartridge :)))
          Well, giving dry-launching missile launchers to a dry-cargo ship is the same as giving out cartridges to a person without a rifle and waiting for sniper effectiveness from him :) In principle, if you wrap a few rounds in a handkerchief, you can coolly kick a person in the dark, or if the ability to figure out a sling and use ammo as a projectile. Well, the efficiency of the cargo ship with RCC will be about the same :)
          1. d ^ Amir
            d ^ Amir 12 October 2017 18: 51 New
            +6
            space for what ??? ... if during the union they could give target designation to missiles, now I suspect the possibilities have only increased ....
            1. Gransasso
              Gransasso 12 October 2017 18: 54 New
              +3
              Quote: d ^ Amir
              space for what ??? ... if during the union they could give target designation to missiles, now I suspect the possibilities have only increased ....




              Can you roughly describe how this happened during the alliance? .. target designation from space in real time ... it will be very interesting to listen ...
              1. d ^ Amir
                d ^ Amir 12 October 2017 18: 55 New
                +3
                you are welcome..
                https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9C%D0%9A%D0%A0%
                D0%A6_%C2%AB%D0%9B%D0%B5%D0%B3%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B4%
                D0% B0% C2% BB
                1. Gransasso
                  Gransasso 12 October 2017 19: 16 New
                  +1
                  Quote: d ^ Amir
                  you are welcome..
                  https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9C%D0%9A%D0%A0%
                  D0%A6_%C2%AB%D0%9B%D0%B5%D0%B3%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B4%
                  D0% B0% C2% BB




                  I knew it ... everybody knows this story ... You try to tell how the transfer of extracted data was technically done ... by what methods and systems ... and how much time was needed ...
                  1. d ^ Amir
                    d ^ Amir 12 October 2017 19: 18 New
                    +6
                    welcome to the closed section of "Leninka" ... read there .. unless of course there is still at least something left ....
                    1. Gransasso
                      Gransasso 12 October 2017 19: 50 New
                      +2
                      Quote: d ^ Amir
                      welcome to the closed section of "Leninka" ... read there .. unless of course there is still at least something left ....



                      Of course, you read and know .. just too shy to tell ...
                      1. d ^ Amir
                        d ^ Amir 13 October 2017 09: 27 New
                        +3
                        I’m personally and closer than 1 km to the closed section of Leninka. never came up ... but the fact that such and similar materials were stored there and by special access were issued I know ...
            2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
              Andrei from Chelyabinsk 12 October 2017 19: 01 New
              +2
              Quote: d ^ Amir
              space for what ???.

              No matter what.
              Quote: d ^ Amir
              if during the union they could issue target designation to missiles

              Could not. The Legend system didn’t work on a full scale, because everyone (otherwise it was not possible to provide power to powerful radars) contained the required constellation of super-expensive satellites with atomic reactors, while such satellites could only be placed in low orbits, and saying goodbye to them after 5-7 years (descent into the atmosphere - and adieu, physics is ruthless) was not beyond the capabilities of EVEN THE USSR.
              It is the failure of the "Legend" (no, as a means of reconnaissance - super, just beyond praise, but as a means of TsU in real time - alas, only on big holidays, and then every other time) led to the fact that our underwater missile carriers did not become a decisive tool in the fight against AUG. 949A they built it, but they did not learn how to give them target designation. As a result, the MPA regiments were considered the main means of counteraction.
              Quote: d ^ Amir
              now I suspect the possibilities have only increased ....

              Now it has Liana in the amount of as many as 4 satellites (two for passive and two for active reconnaissance), each of which is of limited functionality. In other words, our capabilities in comparison with the USSR are not only small - insignificant.
              1. d ^ Amir
                d ^ Amir 12 October 2017 19: 14 New
                +4
                well .... convinced ... the jaw cracked and became like ... is there GLONASS ??? determine the coordinates using it can ???? just enter the coordinates of the target (fixed) maybe ??? is it possible to calculate the trajectory of movement at given coordinates ??? how much time will it take ???
                1. Gransasso
                  Gransasso 12 October 2017 19: 59 New
                  +2
                  Quote: d ^ Amir
                  well .... convinced ... the jaw cracked and became like ... is there GLONASS ??? determine the coordinates using it can ???? just enter the coordinates of the target (fixed) maybe ??? is it possible to calculate the trajectory of movement at given coordinates ??? how much time will it take ???




                  If the aircraft carrier connects itself to GLONASS then .. theoretically yes, maybe ...
                2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                  Andrei from Chelyabinsk 12 October 2017 22: 06 New
                  0
                  Quote: d ^ Amir
                  Is GLONASS ???

                  There is
                  Quote: d ^ Amir
                  determine the coordinates using it can ????

                  Can. Your coordinates, but not the coordinates of the aircraft carrier :))
                  Quote: d ^ Amir
                  just enter the coordinates of the target (fixed) maybe ??? is it possible to calculate the trajectory of movement at given coordinates ??? how much time will it take ???

                  Do you have any idea how GLONASS works? You have a receiver. Satellites in space emit signals. The receiver receives them, identifies them, estimates the distance to the satellites, and, seeing from 4 satellites and above, calculates its location using the triangulation method. It is stated very roughly, but fundamentally true. In other words, having a receiver you will know your location. All.
                  Which of the above will help you find an aircraft carrier? :)))))))
                  1. Sevastiec
                    Sevastiec 13 October 2017 06: 03 New
                    0
                    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                    Which of the above will help you find an aircraft carrier? :)))))))


                    As I understand it, the dispute nevertheless began with the threat of US territory through disguised "calibers." GLONAS in this case may well be useful. And for any moving target, space reconnaissance equipment will not begin to work soon, I think. The 21st century will remain with tactical intelligence for the immediate tasks of the battlefield and Central Command. Or maybe always. Amers, by the way, have the same problems.

                  2. d ^ Amir
                    d ^ Amir 13 October 2017 09: 31 New
                    +3
                    and where in the article (above) something about the aircraft carrier ?? !!?! ??!?! WHERE****???????? about the goal FIXED read ??????? discussion is completed ....
      2. NEXUS
        NEXUS 12 October 2017 18: 11 New
        +4
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        Containers of such floats exactly 0 ZERO pieces.

        Well, who knows. Maybe it’s swimming. In any case, CLAB-K is exported to India.
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 12 October 2017 19: 03 New
          +1
          Quote: NEXUS
          In any case, CLAB-K was exported to India.

          Well, there are also no crazy people there, to send them in bulk carriers :)
  4. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 12 October 2017 16: 11 New
    +5
    "apparently," "overpriced," "exaggeration" ... Of course, Sam, of course. But prepare compasses, losers, just in case.
  5. Egorovich
    Egorovich 12 October 2017 16: 12 New
    +6
    Already come diarrhea, striped. And what will happen when they really fly? I even felt sorry.
  6. SNEAKY
    SNEAKY 12 October 2017 16: 27 New
    +4
    Quote: bagr69
    Ardent greetings to the US carrier fleet from our military-industrial complex!
    I don’t remember where I read it ... but it was painted correctly. Even at the dawn of the Cold War, the USA began to play on the AUG audience, and the USSR relied on the submarine fleet. It looked beautiful. The defeat in that race certainly made adjustments, but the essence does not change .Aircraft carriers twist of course and beautifully, but not an option with equal powers
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 12 October 2017 16: 42 New
      0
      The USSR eventually came to the construction of atomic ejection aircraft carriers in 80 thousand tons. Ulyanovsk was called :) A nuclear submarines were not considered the main tool for the destruction of AUGs for a very long time - the emphasis was on MPA
      1. SNEAKY
        SNEAKY 12 October 2017 17: 00 New
        +2
        So I’m talking about this. It’s not in vain that with a shoe they beat laughing The essence of an aircraft carrier is the intimidation of the enemy during the offensive, and as a result they are a huge and expensive cemetery. There is no third.
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 12 October 2017 18: 50 New
          0
          Quote: SNEAKY
          The essence of the aircraft carrier is the intimidation of the enemy on the offensive

          Our nuclear-powered aircraft carriers were not created for attack, but for defense, and were intended for air defense of diverse forces attacking the AUG. After much research and the search for alternatives (land aviation, VTOL), it turned out that there was no reception against the scrap, no other scrap, and that the aircraft carrier is a necessary component of the fleet that protects its shores from the ASG
          1. BIP PS FSB RF
            BIP PS FSB RF 13 October 2017 07: 30 New
            0
            Why protect the coast with an aircraft carrier if there are ground-based airfields?
            Where did such conclusions come from? Can I have a link? And not for yourself ...
  7. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 12 October 2017 16: 38 New
    0
    Quote: SNEAKY
    Quote: bagr69
    Ardent greetings to the US carrier fleet from our military-industrial complex!
    I don’t remember where I read it ... but it was painted correctly. Even at the dawn of the Cold War, the USA began to play on the AUG audience, and the USSR relied on the submarine fleet. It looked beautiful. The defeat in that race certainly made adjustments, but the essence does not change .Aircraft carriers twist of course and beautifully, but not an option with equal powers

    As the people say: "For every tricky ass there is its own squiggle!". lol
  8. weksha50
    weksha50 12 October 2017 16: 56 New
    +1
    "in the mid-2020s, virtually any ship of the Russian Navy will be able to get armed with a Zircon hypersonic cruise missile capable of flying at speeds above 5 Machs".

    It will please me only when we ourselves learn how to create and install power plants on newly created ships ... so that these Zircons are not installed in the likeness of Ukrainian Hetman Sagaidachny ...
    Let's get new ships, and only meat (muscles) will be easier to build on them ...
  9. Livonetc
    Livonetc 12 October 2017 17: 15 New
    +2
    "The bad news for the US Navy is that the Russian Navy is equipped with this system from tiny corvettes to heavy battle cruisers."
    And then the tiny corvettes.
    Frigate “Admiral Gorshkov”, “Soobrazitelny” corvette and communication vessel (SRZK) “Yuri Ivanov”, Severnaya Verf, 20.02.2015 (Curious)

    Corvette “Resistant”, Special Design Bureau “Yaroslav the Wise” and destroyer “Persistent”, Baltiysk, 28.02.2015/XNUMX/XNUMX
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 12 October 2017 22: 03 New
      0
      Quote: Livonetc
      "The bad news for the US Navy is that the Russian Navy is equipped with this system from tiny corvettes to heavy battle cruisers."

      there are no such systems on corvettes
  10. Gransasso
    Gransasso 12 October 2017 17: 19 New
    +3
    Again this branch of the Zvezda shopping center threw feed to the patriotic contingent ....
    1. Sergey Fomenko
      Sergey Fomenko 12 October 2017 17: 27 New
      +2
      Are Liberast all-crop feeders lacking food?
  11. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 12 October 2017 17: 27 New
    +2
    I think Zircon is Russia's military bluff. How does the radio signal pass through the plasma stream surrounding the rocket? The tests are uncontrollable prototype, which flies quickly, but can not hit the target.
    1. FID
      FID 12 October 2017 17: 51 New
      +4
      Quote: voyaka uh
      The tests are uncontrollable prototype, which flies quickly, but can not hit the target.

      Sorry, but the bullet is also uncontrollable ... And it flies fast ...
      1. Gransasso
        Gransasso 12 October 2017 18: 32 New
        +4
        The bullet-fool ... zircon well done ... in the Pak-Almaty, Kurgan terminators, the Boreans and other deathless stars have already played enough so that they themselves become ashamed to say out loud ..... we move on to the next wunderwaf ... we’ll zirkon hasking around without knowing ... stoves ...
        1. FID
          FID 13 October 2017 09: 06 New
          +1
          Quote: Gransasso
          . pike just catch without getting off the stove ...

          Catch, catch ... Who forbids you ...
      2. opus
        opus 12 October 2017 19: 09 New
        +1
        Quote: SSI
        Sorry, but the bullet is also uncontrollable ... And it flies fast ...


        here he is right.
        1. how far does a bullet fly (well, 2 km max)
        and so the 800 m limit is sighting, then on how Allah / Buddha / Christ will decide
        where the target will jump at 30 knots during the flight time of a bullet at its speed of 700-1000 m / s
        in 1 second the target will shift (at speed) 55,56 km / h by 15-16m.
        You can take a lead or sprinkle with a queue
        2. RCC bullets at 200-500km

        flight time at 5M: 117 sec. - 300 sec.
        During this time, the target will squeak (at 30 knots) for 2000-5000 meters (for 5 km)
        won't hit
        - do not take the lead
        - Do not spill the queue
        if there is no thermonuclear warhead- guidance and correction of the required absolutely
        therefore, even bullets want to have controlled

        or a laser.
        To him (the laser) at a “speed of delivery of ammunition” to a target of 300 m / s, on a Earth scale: sprinkling a target at least 000 knots, at least 000 knots
        1. FID
          FID 13 October 2017 09: 09 New
          +1
          Quote: opus
          here he is right.

          I apologize, am I against it ... I really didn’t like the phrase itself ... Further, you can state everything that you consider necessary. I said everything (I can also reproduce this in Latin).
    2. opus
      opus 12 October 2017 18: 04 New
      +1
      Quote: voyaka uh
      How does the radio signal pass through the plasma stream surrounding the rocket?

      1. Where is the plasma then?
      2. What kind of radio signal needs to be carried out?
      Quote: voyaka uh
      but cannot hit the target.

      I propose this option, since plasma is puzhayutsya:
      start with UVPU ZS-14-11442M
      - set the level of 50 km (no means of intercepting air defense systems)
      - a speed set of 5-6 m (at such a height, at this speed, a polasma does not occur), and if it does, then "US RAT" (see below)
      -Arrival in the affected area
      -braking (aerodynamic, dive way under 70-80g)
      - the inclusion of ghs (as current plasma "" if it disappeared)
      just like MGM-31C Pershing II = RADAG analog, but against NK

      The RADAG system consisted of an airborne radar station and a correlator. The radar was screened and had two antenna units. One of them was intended to obtain a radar brightness image of the area. The other is for determining flight altitude. The image of the ring type under the head was obtained by scanning around a vertical axis with an angular speed of 2 rpm. Four reference images of the target area for different heights were stored in the memory of the digital computer in the form of a matrix, each cell of which was the radar brightness of the corresponding area, recorded in two-digit binary number. The actual image of the terrain obtained from the radar was reduced to a similar matrix, when compared with the reference one, it was possible to determine the error of the inertial system.

      The flight of the warhead was corrected by the executive bodies — jet nozzles operating from a cylinder with compressed gas outside the atmosphere, and aerodynamic rudders with a hydraulic drive when entering the atmosphere.

      and the plasma didn't bother him
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 12 October 2017 20: 32 New
        0
        That is, you assume that Zircon is a BR, which after completion is a cool ballist. the trajectory is slowed down in the atmosphere and turns into a Raman with a GOS? All hypersound is a flight in space. And in the atmosphere - supersonic.
        1. opus
          opus 12 October 2017 21: 07 New
          +2
          Quote: voyaka uh
          That is, you assume that Zircon is a BR, to

          where does such an "original" conclusion come from?
          what
          A ballistic trajectory is a trajectory along which a body with a certain initial velocity moves, under the influence of gravity and aerodynamic drag.
          3M-22 has a remote control (ramjet), which will work on almost the entire trajectory
          Quote: voyaka uh
          All hypersound is a flight in space.

          in space?
          is there an airless space?
          About which
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Whole hypersound
          can be flickered if sound in a vacuum DOES NOT SPREAD!
          And who spoke about the "cosmos"
          50 km is not space "it is not even beyond the Pocket line
          Threat. Is it a "ballistic missile"

          and she dives m / y by the way
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 13 October 2017 00: 17 New
            0
            1) About the "hypersound" and space, I put it wrong: it is necessary - the speed of the rocket.
            2) I was embarrassed by Pershing, so I thought incorrectly about BR.
            3) That is, Zircon - KR, flying first in the stratosphere at a (conditionally) "hypersonic" speed, and then diving sharply into the atmosphere and slowing down to
            (conditionally) "supersonic" speed. And she begins to look for an aircraft carrier with the help of her GOS. Did I get it right this time?
            1. opus
              opus 13 October 2017 00: 45 New
              +1
              Quote: voyaka uh
              1) About the "hypersound" and space, I put it wrong: it is necessary - the speed of the rocket.

              is
              Quote: voyaka uh
              2) I was embarrassed by Pershing, so I thought incorrectly about BR.

              Touching the stars at an altitude of 300 km, the warhead was rapidly returning to the atmosphere. Deep in the hull, reliably protected from heat, cold and overload, the on-board computer methodically counted seconds ... 428, 429, 430 - the Karman line was passed. It's time! Guided by the data of the accelerometer and gyroscopes, the Pershing-2 warhead was deployed in space perpendicular to the path of incidence. Slow down! Slow down! Streams of plasma shatter off the slippery surface of the body and are carried away into the violet haze of the stratosphere. At first, weak and discharged, the atmosphere was already whistling confidently overboard, rocking in its streams the “shuttle”, who ventured to challenge the air ocean.

              / Author Author: Oleg Kaptsov
              At an altitude of 15 km "Pershing-2" extinguished speed up to 2-3 speeds sound, the ANN once again orientated the warhead properly - and the exciting action began. Under the ablative plastic fairing, the RADAG radar came to life.

              I actually only meant it (at the expense of "plasma")
              Threat. for comrade Kaptsov.
              No
              Quote: Author: Oleg Kaptsov
              At an altitude of 15 km Pershing 2 quenched speed

              and the warhead W85 (monoblock, maneuvering), of course
              Quote: voyaka uh
              . And she begins to look for an aircraft carrier with the help of her GOS. Did I get it right this time?

              I would do this GPZ KR like this (these are just my erotic fantasies):
              1.KR two-stage (solid propellant rocket accelerator + GPZ ramjet) with detachable warhead
              not of course I would like a 3-step ...
              trouble we do not have compact turbofan engines supersonic) and with subsonic it is not very)
              2. The solid propellant rocket propeller extends 20 kilometers to the train, accelerates to supersonic sound, detaches
              3. GPP ramjet gains an echelon of 40-50 km (there are no missiles capable of intercepting), develops a cruiser 5M-6M and delivers a combat unit (in almost horizontal flight) to the target location (according to VTs)
              4. GPP ramjet engine detaches, BB under the influence of gravity and aerodynamic drag dramatically loses speed and altitude (no thrust Ek is consumed "")
              5. from a height of 30–20 km, at the supersonic surface the TK coating is separated (fairing discharge),
              6. ARGSN is included in the work, directs and hits the target.
              Quote: opus
              RCC bullets at 200-500km
              flight time at 5M: 117 sec. - 300 sec.
              During this time, the target will squeak (at 30 knots) for 2000-5000 meters (for 5 km)

              so sho?
              I recall.
              The shuttle from an altitude of 70 km, without a remote control, had the opportunity of a combat maneuver of 200-500 km.
              we are not 70 km and 500 km we do not need.
              7. detachable BB, allows you to drastically reduce EPR (EOP), withstand colossal overloads when maneuvering (there are no thin-chip delicate fuel tanks), the range increases (less weight and Cx)
              8. find the target, take it to the speaker, correct the trajectory (aerodynamic rudders, displacement of the CM controlled by the toe (BLAM), micro engines (Aster30 pif-paf, or something else)
              9. hit the target.
              everything.
              Plasma didn't bother you?
              1. Gransasso
                Gransasso 13 October 2017 01: 02 New
                +1
                Quote: opus
                find the target, take it to the speaker, correct the trajectory (aerodynamic rudders, displacement of the CM controlled by the toe (BLAM), micro engines (Aster30 pif-paf, or something else)
                9. hit the target.



                And here comes the harsh reality .... it is these "insignificant" details at the present stage of development that do not work out very well .... and will not work out soon .... and when they work out ... they will also be applied to SAMs ... which and they will shoot down these wunderwaffes ...
        2. Arzoo
          Arzoo 13 October 2017 00: 32 New
          0
          Regarding plasma, I don’t know. It is atmospheric. The test passes an uncontrolled prototype, I think so. It is created for penetrating missile defense rather than for pointing accuracy. Equipped with a nuclear warhead and forward, accuracy is not needed.

          Well, I have an assumption. Even if she catches a radio signal, at such speeds nothing can maneuver, she will simply tear at a bend. So it slows down, changes the trajectory and goes on acceleration.
        3. Arzoo
          Arzoo 13 October 2017 00: 40 New
          0
          Don't think bluffing. Under it is created PAK-DA which wing. The wing is a useless iron in everything except the flight range and low visibility (but this still needs to be achieved). The wing is already being developed, I know for sure. Why does the wing make a question? Answer: for such missiles.
    3. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 12 October 2017 18: 52 New
      +1
      Quote: voyaka uh
      I think Zircon is Russia's military bluff. How does the radio signal pass through the plasma stream surrounding the rocket?

      Scientists have been working with this issue for more than a dozen years, so they could well come up with something interesting.
      1. Arzoo
        Arzoo 13 October 2017 00: 50 New
        0
        Yes, it does not pass at all, and even if it passes it will not give anything. She will not be able to maneuver, she will be torn at 8 turns in a bend. It either slows down or picks up speed in the missile defense area. Rather, the second. Somewhere 400 km to the goal, max acceleration is gaining.
    4. Vard
      Vard 12 October 2017 19: 54 New
      0
      Radio communication through plasma is a long-resolved problem ...
    5. Lex.
      Lex. 12 October 2017 20: 26 New
      0
      Iskander fly 2100m / s somehow it gets, and the USA also develops hypersonic missiles, it will also somehow get somewhere
  12. opus
    opus 12 October 2017 17: 57 New
    +3
    NI: Hypersonic missiles can be installed on almost any ship of the Russian Navy.

    Dave Mujmahar (majamur) or Sebastien Roblin farted?
    fool
    or did Dimon Konstantinovich Simis express this thought?
    1.Not at all. Not at all.
    where there is no universal launcher of vertical launch UVPU 3S-14-11442M respectively and start lower
    question. and where are they?
    the answer is where they are not
    while there is an agreement with JSC Design Bureau of Special Engineering (information (No. 31502887567))
    и
    Decision No. 235/1/1/8565 of November 6, 2014 “Finalization of UVPU 3S-14-22350 for complexes 3K-14, 9K, 3M55, 3K-22 as applied to order 11442M”
    And UVPU 3S-14-11442M will fit on a VERY small number of ships
    2. Complex 3K-22 Zircon / Zircon-S and 3M-22 missiles NO
  13. NEXUS
    NEXUS 12 October 2017 18: 05 New
    +3
    Russian press reports describe Zircon as invulnerable. This is an exaggeration.

    I’m interested in what is on the mattress ships that can intercept a maneuvering hyper sound rocket, and even created taking into account stealth technologies?
    I'm not talking about a volley of 10-20 Zircon missiles.
    Developed in less than 10 years, Zircon has a range of 800-1 thousand kilometers

    Opinions differ here. There is information that the radius will be from 400 to 500 km ... but there are figures of 1200 km. It is still difficult to talk about the radius of this RCC. The only thing we know is that such a rocket is being developed and that it is hyper sonic. Again, 5 max and 8 max are slightly different speeds.
    1. opus
      opus 12 October 2017 18: 26 New
      +2
      Quote: NEXUS
      which is capable of intercepting a maneuvering hyper sound rocket

      what the hell maneuvering on 5M? fool
      6000-6500km / h?
      1.SR-71 (3000-3400 km / h, M = 2.4-2.6) radius of a combat turn MORE THAN 30 km.
      Making a U-71 U-turn is not about chewing a pound of raisins. Due to the speeds as well as the loads that the human body and airframe are able to withstand

      maximum operational overload 1.7
      3M-22 is not a blank and a dumb warhead: the same SR-71 with flimsy strength makings
      2. Any change in the angle of attack, yaw, even roll is likely: the colossal expenditures of energy and fuel, respectively (and there are so few of it)
      3. hypersound at 20 km is not possible (realistic), the range will fall mg characteristics deteriorate (strength, TK, etc.)
      5-6M for 3M-22 is a train deep beyond 30 km to +
      40-60 km.
      what missiles are capable of intercepting at such a height (what we have, what they have).
      THEY ARE NOT IN NATURE
      5. and when the target will attack (dive speed 1-3M) there it will be, like phalanxes or short / medium range missiles, try to intercept.
      and there are such
      Quote: NEXUS
      on mattress ships
      and on ours.
      Better on them, bye

      Quote: NEXUS
      and created taking into account stealth technologies?

      visualization on jumps of compaction (DE permeability is different, the picture will be)
      Quote: NEXUS
      I'm not talking about a volley of 10-20 Zircon missiles.

      for one purpose?
      And then what about expensive zircon?
      Quote: NEXUS
      but there are figures of 1200 km.

      then you need a mini-R-7 (the Soyuz launch vehicle is to be set as an accelerator), or something similar, or monsters like the Granites should be 7–9 tons starting mass, but the trouble is I’m afraid of UVPU ZS-14-11442M
      Quote: NEXUS
      and 8 mach is a slightly different speed.

      at 10 M at an altitude of 50 km, the temperature at the terminals under 5000K (on the Sun in the crown under 6000K), if
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 12 October 2017 18: 36 New
        +3
        Quote: opus
        for one purpose?
        And then what about expensive zircon?

        And what if the target is an aircraft carrier? In addition, we must take into account the hypothetical possibility of interception of our Zircon.
        Now, for example, for one Nimitz-class aircraft carrier, such anti-ship missiles such as Granit, in order to guarantee it is necessary to drown it from 8 to 20 missiles (if the sclerosis does not change), depending on where the anti-ship missiles fall.
        Quote: opus
        then you need a mini-R-7 (the Soyuz launch vehicle is to be set as an accelerator), or something similar, or monsters like the Granites should be 7–9 tons starting mass, but the trouble is I’m afraid of UVPU ZS-14-11442M

        It’s of course, even most likely ... but there is some moment-new fuel for such RCC. And no one knows how efficient the engine for this rocket is. Personally, I think that the radius will be more than Onyx ... maybe 1000 km.
        Quote: opus
        at 10 M at an altitude of 50 km, the temperature at the terminals under 4000K (on the Sun in the crown under 6000K), if

        There were statements by developers that they had managed to cope with the temperature problem. In addition, hyper-speed rockets were still being developed in the alliance, and therefore, I think that we have enough experience on this topic.
        1. opus
          opus 12 October 2017 18: 48 New
          +1
          Quote: NEXUS
          And what if the target is an aircraft carrier?

          it must be sausage with a modern analogue of the R-27K (on the basis of the OTR of the increased range of the Volna Scientific Research Institute

          Quote: NEXUS
          Now, for example, for one Nimitz-class aircraft carrier, such as anti-ship missiles such as Granite, in order to guarantee it is necessary to drown it from 8 to 20 missiles (if sclerosis does not change),

          no one has drowned yet


          Quote: NEXUS
          moment-new fuel for such RCC.

          there's no such thing.
          everything is squeezed to dry.
          mb + 10% but for the Kyrgyz Republic it does not roll (on the issue of long-term storage)
          Quote: NEXUS
          Personally, I think that the radius will be more than Onyx ... maybe 1000 km.


          Then the rocket should be about 4 times bigger than the Onyx.
          This is so on the knee-outfit.
          But then
          Quote: opus
          trouble I'm afraid UVPU ZS-14-11442M

          will not fit
          Quote: NEXUS
          There were statements by developers that they coped with the temperature problem.

          But what was the problem? at what height?
          Threat. they coped with 600-700gr C
          repeat
          Quote: opus
          at 10 M at an altitude of 50 km the temperature at the terminals under 5000K


          Quote: NEXUS
          Hyper-speed rockets were still being developed in the union, and therefore, I think that we have enough experience on this topic.

          they also during the "union" and also enough
          1. Vard
            Vard 12 October 2017 19: 49 New
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            Why drown an aircraft carrier ... to prevent it from working with airplanes and this is a very expensive pile of metal. And for this, a couple of tens of kg is enough. VV on the flight deck ... and let yourself swim ...
      2. Gransasso
        Gransasso 12 October 2017 18: 38 New
        +1
        Quote: opus
        what the hell maneuvering on 5M?




        And what is the stealth technology for 6 Mach? ... there is a ball of fire)
        1. opus
          opus 12 October 2017 18: 54 New
          +1
          Quote: Gransasso
          which on Mach 6? ... there is a ball of fire)

          at what height (medium density)?
          6 m by 50 km - not a single "fireball"

          shl

          NASA Shuttle Endeavor Re-Entry Video
          1. Gransasso
            Gransasso 12 October 2017 20: 23 New
            +1
            Quote: opus
            Quote: Gransasso
            which on Mach 6? ... there is a ball of fire)

            at what height (medium density)?
            6 m by 50 km - not a single "fireball"

            shl

            NASA Shuttle Endeavor Re-Entry Video


            It must first get there ... and there will be a ball of fire at acceleration to an altitude of 50 km ... and then drop ..... its hypothetical goals are, as it were, lower than that height .... and when entering back into the dense atmospheric layer in hypersound .. let's get the same fireball .... and asks why goat button accordion in the form of stealth technology ...
            1. opus
              opus 12 October 2017 21: 16 New
              +1
              Quote: Gransasso
              She must first get there.

              what
              1. Well, OTR 9M723 (-1) then gets there and flies (5 m-7m), I don’t see the ball

              Quote: Gransasso
              She must first get there ... and there will be a ball of fire at acceleration to a height of 50 km ..

              2. MIG-31 “jumps” for 30 km

              ball "" - no


              (in the upper right corner the speed of a mile per hour (1,78 km / h)
              is there a ball?
              SRB compartment height from 70 to 90 km
              I don’t see a “ball”
              1. Gransasso
                Gransasso 12 October 2017 21: 32 New
                +1
                Quote: opus
                ball "I do not see



                You may not see .... but we are not about what you see or not..a about the usefulness of Stealth technologies on these hypothetical wunderwaffes ... radars and other devices for detection will not see this fool, which hypothetical sizes you previously outlined on the upper stage and then with such parameters?
                1. opus
                  opus 13 October 2017 00: 14 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Gransasso
                  Stealth tech on these hypothetical wunderwaffe ... radars

                  I didn’t say a word about
                  Stealth technology

                  if something fart zhurnalyagi, then not to me, I'm not the one.
                  Stealth technology
                  Supersound is nonsense.
                  Stormy front on a weather radar screen.

                  Honeywell IntuVue RP-1 Weather Radar for SSJ100

                  The determination of meteorological conditions is based on scanning by a pulsed microwave signal from the airspace in front of the aircraft.

                  With the help of this locator, the aircraft weather location system performs the following functions:

                  radar airspace survey, detection and issuance of hazardous weather conditions (thunderstorms, high cumulus clouds, hailstorms, heavy precipitation zones, turbulent zones);
                  detection and issuance of the vertical profile of weather patterns and turbulent zones in weather patterns for indication;
                  radar survey of the earth's surface;
                  and now it still provides information to the wind shear detection system, which is integrated into the T2CAS system. The wind shear warning algorithm continuously monitors wind factors that affect the performance of the aircraft, both during takeoff and during approach.

                  The analysis identifies the presence of low altitude wind shear (downward gusts)
                  what can we say about the detection (by radar method) of supersonic shock waves?

                  Quote: Gransasso
                  .radars and other devices for detection will not see this fool the hypothetical dimensions of which you outlined a little earlier on the acceleration section

                  what idiot can see this "fool" 200-500 km from its location?
                  Radio horizon!
                  and at an altitude of 50 km, according to the formula

                  and sho?
                  give me an example of a missile that works above 40 km?
                  Huh?
                  1. Gransasso
                    Gransasso 13 October 2017 00: 46 New
                    +1
                    Quote: opus
                    what idiot can see this "fool" 200-500 km from its location?
                    Radio horizon!
                    and at an altitude of 50 km, according to the formula



                    Do not get excited .. the diet may not see ... and AWAKS / HOKKAY will even see ... but at an altitude of 50 km I think not only they ..




                    Quote: opus
                    and sho?
                    give me an example of a missile that works above 40 km?
                    Huh?


                    Of the existing ones, SM-3, THAAD ...
                    1. opus
                      opus 13 October 2017 01: 16 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Gransasso
                      and AWAX / HOCKEY will very much see.

                      saw further what?
                      1. no means of destruction (Zur)
                      2. The carrier cannot be destroyed (200-500 km)
                      PS if AWACS / HOCKEY was in the right direction
                      Threat 2 AWACS do not cover the ships
                      Quote: Gransasso
                      Of the existing ones, SM-3, THAAD ...

                      fool
                      1. which "SM-3" specifically?
                      RIM-161A (SM-3 Block I)
                      RIM-161B (SM-3 Block IA)
                      RIM-161C (SM-3 Block IB)
                      RIM-161D (SM-3 Block II)
                      ?
                      After the accelerator is completed, it is reset and the Aerojet Mk.104 dual-mode second-stage solid-fuel engine is driven. The engine provides rocket lift through the dense atmosphere and the conclusion her to the border of the exosphere. During the ascent, the rocket continuously communicates with the carrier ship, which monitors the movement of the target and transfers corrections to the flight path to the rocket.

                      which leads toatmospheric interceptor
                      interception of the target is possible at a level above 180 km to 600 km

                      2.THAAD
                      Interception Height: from 150 to 200 km


                      3.
                      Quote: Gransasso
                      .

                      what
                      I don’t know such a range of missiles in the United States


                      give a hint
                      RIM-66 “Standard”, in the common people SM-2 missiles of the “Standard” family
                      RIM-67 "Standard" SM-1ER
                      SM-2ER
                      RIM-67B
                      RIM-67C
                      RIM-67D
                      what a misfortune ... none of them can intercept a target at altitudes above 30000 -35000m (and then you still need to see the range)
                      may be i forgot SM-6 ERAM?
                      what cant?
                      but no
                      33000 m its ceiling
                      more ideas will be?
                      Quote: Gransasso
                      Of existing

                      fool
                      1. Gransasso
                        Gransasso 13 October 2017 01: 29 New
                        +2
                        You are carried away by spherical horses in a vacuum and lose logic threads ..

                        Your statement that there are no missiles capable of shooting down a hypersonic target at an altitude of 50 km-nonsense ... I brought you missiles capable of shooting down and not at that altitude ...

                        It’s just that they were made to shoot down real-life targets in the ranges of their real heights ... and not to shoot down your spherical horses on 50 km sucked from a finger ..


                        Such goals will appear in reality — they will calmly increase the height of the Patriot’s interception or “lower” the lower limit of the THAAD or SM-3.
        2. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 12 October 2017 20: 43 New
          0
          There is a discrepancy ...
          Americans are developing a hypersonic ramjet cruise missile. It starts with a bomber and flies horizontally in dense layers of the atmosphere, gradually falling over the target. In this case, a plasma cloud forms around the rocket. And because of this, communication and guidance on the target is difficult.
          The Russians are developing a variant of a ballistic missile that flies hypersound in space (like all BRs), but after braking over the target it turns into a cruise missile with an additional engine that maneuvers at supersonic sound and hits the target with the help of its GOS.
          1. opus
            opus 13 October 2017 00: 25 New
            +1
            Quote: voyaka uh
            Americans are developing a hypersonic ramjet cruise missile. She starts up

            "my Israeli brother" ...
            both Americans and ours are developing ONE and the same /
            This is visible even to a deer and even to the naked eye.

            and if ours didn’t show the video:

            it DOES NOT AT ALL MEAN that ours did not (first) make air launches.
            It is reasonable:
            cheaper
            -immediately height
            -may be tested
            telemetry again
            -etc
            Threat. it’s just that our country is big, bloggers are tough, and you don’t need to report so meticulously to the Federation Council.

            2.HTV-2 how to "start"?

            3. just someone (let’s not say who), so as not to destroy the idyll

            Quote: voyaka uh
            I think Zircon is Russia's military bluff.

            made a small breakthrough in something.
            That's all
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 13 October 2017 12: 44 New
              0
              I do not argue with your explanations, but it seems to me that the Zircon image shows exactly the American missile that was tested with the B-52. Therefore, it is so similar.
              What Zircon really is is unknown.
              1. opus
                opus 13 October 2017 18: 46 New
                +1
                Quote: voyaka uh
                that the Zircon picture shows exactly the American rocket

                on the second is your drawing
                on the third - our
                Quote: voyaka uh
                What Zircon really is is unknown.

                something like what was shown


                (the main thing that would fit into
                Quote: opus
                UVPU ZS-14-11442M
                )
          2. opus
            opus 13 October 2017 11: 37 New
            +2
            Quote: Gransasso
            You are carried away by spherical horses in a vacuum and lose logic threads ..

            Well, that's understandable.
            Give some other thread hackneyed monkey proverb.
            A spherical horse in a vacuum is an ideal spherical horse, an extremely simplified physical model of a real horse.

            and here (to the issue under consideration horse-breeding and cattle-breeding?
            Quote: Gransasso
            I brought you missiles capable of shooting down and not at that height ...

            You brought a goat to the registry office or a ram to the slaughterhouse.
            A SAM ... you did not bring any
            Quote: Gransasso
            Such goals will appear in reality — they will calmly increase the height of the Patriot’s interception or “lower” the lower limit of the THAAD or SM-3.

            fool
            nor increase the height of interception MIM-104
            neither lower
            Quote: Gransasso
            the lower limit is THAAD or SM-3.

            not possible.
            I will explain for deer:
            1.MIM-104C / D / E - already at the limit (not to mention the MIM-104A / B).
            A further increase in the height of interception leads to a geometric increase in the dimensions and mass of SAM (interceptor) + goes beyond the beam deflection angle AN / MPQ-65
            - a 5-ton missile defense system will not fit into a fuel dispatch complex, not a single launcher will pull it, a transformer substation will not pick it up, logistics will not accept, goodbye

            -AN / MPQ-65 will have to redo (dovor canvas + energy), goodbye

            2. THAAD THIS Terminal High altitude Area defense

            SM-3 THE SAME Crap, BUT MARINE BASING WITH BIG RADIUS AND HEIGHT OF INTERCEPTION


            Both systems are equipped with an atmospheric interceptor.
            PS. if not in the know. Atmosphere (engineering), to the Karmana line (100-120 km)
            LEAP Lightweight Exo-atmospheric Projectile

            Ekv the same

            delicate, 50-70 kg buns equipped with remote control correction and InfraRed sensor are not able to hit targets below 120 km
            ==========
            1. Gransasso
              Gransasso 13 October 2017 20: 12 New
              +1
              Quote: opus
              I will explain for deer:



              As I understand it, you’re self-educating .... commendable .. and then jumps on spherical geldings at a 50-km height lead to oxygen starvation with all the attendant side effects ... including hypersonic flatulence ...
              1. opus
                opus 14 October 2017 00: 16 New
                +3
                Quote: Gransasso
                As I understand it, you are engaged in self-education ..

                hear ...
                I'm with shit, not when I didn’t drink at Brudershaft and I won’t drink ...
                including let's politically correct and eurotollerast- "on you", huh?
                Quote: Gransasso
                and then jumps on spherical geldings at a 50-km height lead to oxygen starvation with

                Forgive me, I didn’t understand at once.
                By the flag, you are Italian, but in fact something (according to the comments).
                You are kaakla, mutant, banderlog

                Am I right "ragul"?
                This is a typical ape obesity, ishatch stubbornness, ram’s brains, horse racing, horses, lack of basic knowledge, and so on.
                Am I right Mutakakla Chernobyl?


                with censor. isn’t here "coming"?
              2. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 14 October 2017 00: 35 New
                +4
                Quote: Gransasso
                As I understand it, you are engaged in self-education ...

                Anton? Is he engaged in self-education? laughing
                1. Gransasso
                  Gransasso 14 October 2017 00: 39 New
                  +1
                  But what? ... really self-satisfaction ...
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 14 October 2017 00: 44 New
                    +5
                    Quote: Gransasso
                    But what? ... really self-satisfaction ...

                    Well, after these words, all respect for you disappeared, although it was not there. Do not contact me anymore. One hell - I will not answer. repeat
                    1. Gransasso
                      Gransasso 14 October 2017 00: 48 New
                      +1
                      Dera lex sed lex .....
      3. Vadim237
        Vadim237 12 October 2017 22: 24 New
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        And why maneuver in hypersound - to the area where the object is located, the rocket will fly in hypersound, and there the speed drop to 3 M and you can maneuver.
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  15. Old26
    Old26 12 October 2017 19: 20 New
    0
    Quote: d ^ Amir
    Of course, it’s not yet Zircon, it’s an export “caliber” .... but if, as they say, the launchers are unified !!!!!

    Here are just a manufacturer declares the production of these containers in the amount of ZERO pieces. There is not a single order from any country in the world for the supply of this system. So you can leave the container complex from the category of "interesting, but unrealized developments"

    Quote: NEXUS
    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    Containers of such floats exactly 0 ZERO pieces.

    Well, who knows. Maybe it’s swimming. In any case, CLAB-K is exported to India.

    Andrei! And when they set India ?? Something on the manufacturer’s website there is not a single application for the creation of this system. And India them DO NOT ORDER.. She ordered rockets for surface ships and submarines, but not container systems.
    .
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 12 October 2017 19: 33 New
      +2
      Quote: Old26
      She ordered missiles for surface ships and submarines

      I talked about them ...
  16. Admiral Ben Bow
    Admiral Ben Bow 12 October 2017 19: 41 New
    +1
    All this while rattle. There is little specificity, a lot of noise ... There are a lot of things in theory, but what will happen in practice? But AUG is also a reality, and about what we put on every barge and “so win” - nonsense. It’s not worthwhile to submit for discussion ...
  17. Vard
    Vard 12 October 2017 19: 44 New
    0
    "Zircon is described in the Russian press as invulnerable. This is an exaggeration, but the combination of speed and maneuverability does pose a serious threat, the newspaper writes." Interesting ... but what are they going to bring down her ...
  18. Gogia
    Gogia 12 October 2017 20: 28 New
    0
    Hello to all the Dones that I know and which I don’t know.
    There will be no plasma at a speed of 5-6M.
    Warming up the surface is also not so scary.
    Look at the WIKI X-15 plane then you will understand who was the instigator in hypersound.
    He flew, and even landed!
    Now, regarding guidance and target designation ... Target designation will be via communication satellites + to this inertial guidance system, + optical recognition in the IR and visible range + Active or passive CWG.
    Regarding maneuvering - no fuel costs are needed when maneuvering along pitch and roll - aerodynamic steering wheels, and the phalanx will not work out a target flying over water in 4 seconds due to a radio horizon with a minimum EPR, etc. At this speed, a piece of shit weighing a ton can fly through all bulkheads to the middle of the Dnieper, tfu confused - to the middle of George!
  19. evil partisan
    evil partisan 12 October 2017 20: 39 New
    +3
    A few years ago I read an article about the fact that the Chinese AUGs are going to destroy ICBMs with nuclear warheads. Why are we worse ?? what
  20. APASUS
    APASUS 12 October 2017 20: 44 New
    0
    Put Zircon on boats like MRK, let them rejoice. Until we think we really will not pull the fleet in strategic importance, but the means of destruction of the AUG are calm
  21. assa67
    assa67 12 October 2017 20: 58 New
    +3
    Quote: maxim947
    The main thing is to make the promise.

    and, preferably, faster ....
  22. Old26
    Old26 12 October 2017 21: 05 New
    0
    Quote: NEXUS
    I talked about them ...

    But these missiles and the container variant - MISCELLANEOUS SYSTEMS
    Buy missiles for submarines and surface ships, but by no means a container system
  23. Mikhail Zubkov
    Mikhail Zubkov 13 October 2017 01: 03 New
    +1
    On decommissioned, but not yet sawn ships it is necessary to adapt this "Zircon" too. And to pull them off in tows to the right places to suck, where you can feed from the shore and arrange the launch crew.
    1. Gransasso
      Gransasso 13 October 2017 01: 11 New
      +2
      Quote: Mikhail Zubkov
      On decommissioned, but not yet sawn ships it is necessary to adapt this "Zircon" too. And to pull them off in tows to the right places to suck, where you can feed from the shore and arrange the launch crew.



      From this list of dreams, in addition to your fantasies, there are only decommissioned ships ... with tugs, there is already tension ...
  24. Nemesis
    Nemesis 13 October 2017 01: 37 New
    +1
    That's just the problem with the ships, they are being built for an excessively long time ...
  25. Will
    Will 13 October 2017 11: 18 New
    0
    Fear sometimes makes some think anyway, but which way?
  26. Livonetc
    Livonetc 13 October 2017 12: 02 New
    0
    Quote: Setrac
    Quote: Livonetc
    "The bad news for the US Navy is that the Russian Navy is equipped with this system from tiny corvettes to heavy battle cruisers."

    there are no such systems on corvettes

    A corvette "perfect"?
    And why not install vertical rocket launchers on the corvettes.
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  28. Whaler
    Whaler 15 October 2017 21: 01 New
    0
    Quote: voyaka uh
    I think Zircon is Russia's military bluff. How does the radio signal pass through the plasma stream surrounding the rocket? The tests are uncontrollable prototype, which flies quickly, but can not hit the target.

    think badly, and still very lazy)) look and find out - you will find, publications on this topic were yes