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The Pentagon is looking for a replacement for the Abrams tank

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In the USA, conceptual modeling of a new platform for "tank of the future ”, however, he will be able to appear in the troops no earlier than the 2040s, reports Rossiyskaya Gazeta with reference to the Scout edition.


padded "Abrams" near Mosul

It seems that the Pentagon finally made sure that the main Abrams tank had exhausted its resources, including the modernized one, the newspaper notes.

According to the resource, the main requirements for the new machine are: "the ability to detect and destroy a wider range of targets at long range, shoot down drones with the help of lasers and resist the enemy artillery fire."

A promising tank will appear after the US Army adopts the latest version of the Abrams - SEP v4, which should happen in the 2020-s.

This modification was promised to be equipped, in particular, with “third-generation infrared sensors, which allow better detection of targets, as well as more deadly 120 mm caliber multipurpose tank shells, which will replace four types of existing ammunition,” the publication reminds.

However, for "Abrams" - this is the limit, how to upgrade it further, the developers do not know.

It is reported that the feature of the new tanks will be noticeably less weight due to the use of composite materials. The car should be 20% lighter than the 72-tonne Abrams. This will provide greater mobility, including in difficult terrain.
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  1. jjj
    jjj 12 October 2017 14: 40
    +2
    People have plans to profit from R&D first. Fantasy, design, and the money goes. Closer to the Teutonic gloomy genius. To the Mouse
    1. maxim947
      maxim947 12 October 2017 14: 48
      +4
      This is unfortunately our vice, which must be fought.
      And so, they need tanks only to earn dough, but not for their defense.
      1. Andrew N.
        Andrew N. 12 October 2017 15: 08
        +9
        I'll just leave it here.







        1. tihon4uk
          tihon4uk 12 October 2017 15: 32
          +1
          And what did you want to say with a beautiful picture, the abrash is still not vulnerable?
        2. corporal
          corporal 12 October 2017 15: 32
          +1
          Quote: Andrey N.
          I'll just leave it here.

          Windbreaker already massively set? Or while prototypes?
          1. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 13 October 2017 00: 14
            +2
            Quote: Corporal
            Quote: Andrey N.
            I'll just leave it here.

            Windbreaker already massively set? Or while prototypes?

            So far, a decision has been made to equip one brigade.
    2. oldseaman1957
      oldseaman1957 12 October 2017 14: 49
      +5
      The Pentagon is looking for a replacement for the Abrams tank
      “Oh, pooh on these abrams,” let the striped goofy sore about it. We have everything on tanks! Most of all, Russia should be bothered by the primacy in space, this is where you have to be ready to instantly shut off the “partners” oxygen, and they will float like snot, as everything is tied to jeepies.
      1. XXXIII
        XXXIII 12 October 2017 16: 26
        +6
        Quote: oldseaman1957
        Russia should be most concerned about primacy in space

        Why are we crawling on the ground, we can fly ..... laughing drinks
        1. Professor
          Professor 12 October 2017 17: 24
          +5
          Quote: XXXIII
          Quote: oldseaman1957
          Russia should be most concerned about primacy in space

          Why are we crawling on the ground, we can fly ..... laughing drinks

          T-90 SHOOTS IN A JUMP, but hits? wink
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 12 October 2017 17: 55
            11
            Quote: Professor
            T-90 SHOOTS IN A JUMP, but hits?

            A tank jump shows that he has a running indestructible and torsion bars are balanced and hold this. Now let's talk for your barn, Merkava, dear. And especially for its chassis.
            1. Vasyan1971
              Vasyan1971 12 October 2017 20: 52
              +5
              Quote: NEXUS
              Now let's talk for your barn, Merkava, dear. And especially for its chassis.

              Jews do not jump. Jews are respectable people. wassat
              1. Aaron Zawi
                Aaron Zawi 13 October 2017 00: 17
                0
                Quote: Vasyan1971
                Quote: NEXUS
                Now let's talk for your barn, Merkava, dear. And especially for its chassis.

                Jews do not jump. Jews are respectable people. wassat

                You can jump, but this is the exception rather than the need.
            2. Professor
              Professor 12 October 2017 21: 03
              +1
              Quote: NEXUS
              Quote: Professor
              T-90 SHOOTS IN A JUMP, but hits?

              A tank jump shows that he has a running indestructible and torsion bars are balanced and hold this. Now let's talk for your barn, Merkava, dear. And especially for its chassis.

              There are legends about Teshek torsion bars so they are “reliable”. lol
              And why was shooting nowhere? Well jumped and jumped ... request
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 12 October 2017 21: 09
                10
                Quote: Professor
                There are legends about Teshek torsion bars so they are “reliable”.

                Yeah ... our t-shki are buying tota, and not you garbage steamed with a toilet. Dear, I am interested, but what about YOUR tank Merkava, Israeli production, except for optics? wassat
                Or will you start crying about the fact that you are a small country and you don’t need a full cycle of building a tank from everything domestic? wassat Then why are you criticizing our t-shki? lol
                1. Professor
                  Professor 12 October 2017 21: 29
                  +1
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  Yeah ... our t-shki are buying tota, and not you garbage steamed with a toilet. Dear, I am interested, but what about YOUR tank Merkava, Israeli production, except for optics?

                  Yeah. Brazilian-made Volkswagen Beetles buy 1000 times more than Mazarati, Ferrari and Lamburgini combined. Probably the Beetle is better. wassat

                  Quote: NEXUS
                  Or will you start crying about the fact that you are a small country and you don’t need a full cycle of building a tank from everything domestic? Then why are you criticizing our t-shki?

                  So why did he shoot something? Maybe not intentionally? request

                  PS
                  The Beetle also has a torsion bar suspension. wink
                  1. NEXUS
                    NEXUS 12 October 2017 21: 33
                    +9
                    Quote: Professor
                    Yeah. Brazilian-made Volkswagen Beetles buy 1000 times more than Mazarati, Ferrari and Lamburgini combined. Probably the Beetle is better.

                    Well, yes ... but Kalash uses 70 countries, and your Galil is probably better according to your Jewish logic. wassat
                    So what about -What except Israeli optics in Merkava? laughing
                    1. analgin
                      analgin 13 October 2017 06: 55
                      +1
                      Quote: NEXUS

                      So what about -What except Israeli optics in Merkava? laughing

                      And why should Merkava be 100% Israeli components? Well, for what? In Israel, what, the slogan "import substitution is our everything"?
                      PS: I also heard that the Israeli "optics" are going to put "stupid Americans" on their Abrams! repeat
                    2. Professor
                      Professor 13 October 2017 09: 11
                      +1
                      Quote: NEXUS
                      Well, yes ... but Kalash uses 70 countries, and your Galil is probably better according to your Jewish logic

                      And the Volkswagen Beetle was also sold 21,529,464. More than just the Toyota King for sale. By your logic, are they better than a Ferrari or a Mercedes? wink

                      Quote: NEXUS
                      So what about -What except Israeli optics in Merkava?

                      Armor wink

                      So why did he shoot something? Maybe not intentionally? laughing
                      1. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 13 October 2017 09: 28
                        +4
                        Quote: Professor
                        And the Volkswagen Beetle was also sold 21,529,464. More than just the Toyota King for sale. By your logic, are they better than a Ferrari or a Mercedes?

                        So why aren’t you driving that Ferarry? wassat
                        Quote: Professor
                        Armor

                        That is, optics and armor. Ah forgot and the toilet is also yours. Well done. Such a toilet with a German gun armored. laughing

                        Quote: Professor
                        So why did he shoot something? Maybe not intentionally?

                        And so, for the effect. hi
                      2. Professor
                        Professor 13 October 2017 09: 55
                        0
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        So why aren’t you driving that Ferarry?

                        Prefer German and American cars.

                        Quote: NEXUS
                        That is, optics and armor. Ah forgot and the toilet is also yours. Well done. Such a toilet with a German gun armored.

                        And what, Israeli-made optics? And I thought French, like you.

                        Quote: NEXUS
                        And so, for the effect

                        Now I understand. hi
                    3. mat-vey
                      mat-vey 13 October 2017 11: 53
                      +3
                      So “Galil” entoge “Kalash” (yes, yes KO) ... And so such a tank is only in the promised land and is necessary for us to be properly written ... And it has such a suspension (Christy - guard Christi tank stole Israel) that would be faster to repair the victim of the "nails" of restless Arabs ..
                  2. Vasyan1971
                    Vasyan1971 12 October 2017 21: 34
                    +1
                    Quote: Professor

                    Yeah. Brazilian-made Volkswagen Beetles buy 1000 times more than Mazarati, Ferrari and Lamburgini combined. Probably the Beetle is better.

                    Well, if the buyer votes with a wallet, then, apparently, it’s better. Once in 1000. yes
                    1. analgin
                      analgin 13 October 2017 07: 05
                      0
                      Quote: Vasyan1971
                      Quote: Professor

                      Yeah. Brazilian-made Volkswagen Beetles buy 1000 times more than Mazarati, Ferrari and Lamburgini combined. Probably the Beetle is better.

                      Well, if the buyer votes with a wallet, then, apparently, it’s better. Once in 1000. yes

                      And for a cheese consisting almost entirely of palm oil, a buyer in Russia votes with a purse "about 1000 times" more often than a high-quality and expensive one ... Probably, it is really better. lol
                      1. mat-vey
                        mat-vey 13 October 2017 11: 57
                        +1
                        And what do you think is better than a piece of cheese or a diamond ring?
          2. vearey
            vearey 12 October 2017 19: 52
            +4
            and gets?
            Be sure to get somewhere. And then where he got there, they dragged the target there. Business then.
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              1. analgin
                analgin 13 October 2017 07: 08
                +2
                Quote: NEXUS
                If I’m not mistaken, my dear, your tank builders tried to repeat such a jump on their barn ... the result, the broken spines and legs of the tank ... wassat

                Does anyone else know about this besides you? Prufov, as I understand it, will not be again?
                1. vearey
                  vearey 13 October 2017 08: 42
                  +2
                  Prufov, as I understand it, will not be again
                  What for? When did they bother themselves with proofs?
                  1. analgin
                    analgin 13 October 2017 09: 11
                    +1
                    Quote: vearey
                    Prufov, as I understand it, will not be again
                    What for? When did they bother themselves with proofs?

                    Yes, almost never. Mostly they’re sent to Google to “search for it themselves”, but they like to demand proofs from others.
                    1. vearey
                      vearey 13 October 2017 09: 40
                      0
                      Basically send
                      So I send them there too.
          3. XXXIII
            XXXIII 12 October 2017 20: 01
            +7
            Quote: Professor
            and gets?
            I will not lie, gets .... laughing request
          4. Normal ok
            Normal ok 13 October 2017 10: 50
            +1
            Quote: Professor
            T-90 SHOOTS IN A JUMP, but hits?

            Why would he hit? The main thing is that it shoots beautifully. It’s generally our national fun to do something that doesn’t have any analogs and then think where to apply it))) Like to shoe a flea. Nothing that doesn’t jump, but what a job !!!
        2. NEXUS
          NEXUS 12 October 2017 17: 57
          +6
          Quote: XXXIII
          Why are we crawling on the ground, we can fly .....

          It is simple to show customers that the torsion bars work out as they should and after landing in the tank they find the crew, and not a pile of broken bones.
  2. d ^ Amir
    d ^ Amir 12 October 2017 14: 41
    10
    True, he will be able to appear in the troops no earlier 20140years

    I'm even afraid to guess ....

    there are no words ..... glory to Allah, there is time to search for an answer ... for 18123 (eighteen thousand one hundred twenty three) years .... I think we will figure it out ...
    1. iConst
      iConst 12 October 2017 14: 46
      +2
      Quote: d ^ Amir
      True, he will be able to appear in the troops no earlier 20140years

      I'm even afraid to guess ....

      there are no words ..... glory to Allah, there is time to search for an answer ... for 18123 (eighteen thousand one hundred twenty three) years .... I think we will figure it out ...

      A Chukchi is not a reader - a Chukchi writer.

      And in VO these Chukchi already every second laughing
    2. assa67
      assa67 12 October 2017 14: 51
      +7
      laughing laughing laughing also drew attention to the date ..... and was delighted, they give such a delay
    3. d ^ Amir
      d ^ Amir 12 October 2017 15: 00
      +4
      ooohh !!!!!! fixed the date ...
  3. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 12 October 2017 14: 43
    +2
    Well, let's see what you get .... only Russia will be far ahead, even Armata will be modernized by this time .....
    1. Viktor.12.71
      Viktor.12.71 12 October 2017 15: 40
      +6
      Does T14 enter the troops? The Americans will quickly develop tanks, they have strong competition in this regard for government orders. M1A2 SEP V3 Abrams will use 2 types of ammunition AMP and M829E4, 800mm scrap armor penetration. At the moment, the United States has 1600 units of M1A2 SEP V2 Abrams that will be upgraded to V3. If Russia had on arms the latest T90 modifications in the amount of 1600 units, your comment would be 100% true.
    2. Sharansky
      Sharansky 12 October 2017 15: 41
      +3
      Armata would have reached at least a series by this time. And apparently, instead of them, they decided to purchase T-90
      1. Michael newage
        Michael newage 12 October 2017 15: 57
        +4
        What time? When the Americans will file a new “composite” tank with combat lasers by 2040 laughing ?
      2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 12 October 2017 16: 34
        +1
        Is it by the year 2040? Armata before the series? Despite the fact that an order for a hundred cars is already there? Pffff, I misunderstood you, or is it some kind of trolling
        1. Sharansky
          Sharansky 12 October 2017 16: 37
          +4
          With the Angara rocket, this is also probably such a trolling. However, you know better.
          1. Michael newage
            Michael newage 12 October 2017 18: 24
            +2
            And what about the Angara? Although you're right about one thing, we really know better. But you too well done. 10 p. earned. laughing
            1. Sharansky
              Sharansky 12 October 2017 18: 28
              +2
              I do not know. Somewhere a heavy Angara A5 was lost, well, the one on which the new Federation ship was supposed to be displayed. Ofigiardi of money swelled into it, even a one-time spaceport was built, and such an opportunity. Can you enlighten?
              1. Michael newage
                Michael newage 12 October 2017 18: 38
                +3
                So I kind of asked you, and you spoke in riddles ... As for me, what I don’t know, I don’t know. Forgive me, I’m not such an expert all over the world like you. So lover. A bit in aviation and even less in tanks. For space I will not say anything. But according to your tone, apparently, "fsepropalo" laughing . Here I probably should say as an ardent patriot about the RD-180 laughing , but as I said above, I don’t possess all the info. And you don’t miss, already cut down twenty laughing .
                1. Sharansky
                  Sharansky 12 October 2017 18: 41
                  0
                  So I speak. With Angara it’s probably trolling like that, and you’re all about money. Money can not buy happiness. Or is it all the matter in them? This trolling with the closure of the project will definitely not affect Armata, right?
                  1. Michael newage
                    Michael newage 12 October 2017 18: 54
                    +3
                    Am I talking about money? Where exactly? Can you quote my quote? Are you like, about the swelling ofigiardi wrote? Hospodin Sharansky, you have some kind of incomprehensible manner of conducting a discussion. You speak in riddles, then attach your words to others, and then ask rhetorical questions. I’m saying, maybe in your case it’s easier to write “fsepropalo” and that’s it? The same 10 rubles laughing . What do you care?

                    PS: I think I understand. You are talking about those 10 rubles ... well, if you please, dear, is this money laughing ? So a little crook for you. Another thing is the cuts on the hangar and the "one-time" (funny laughing ) cosmodrome. Yes there, all the Hads were cut ... and you didn’t get laughing .
                    1. Sharansky
                      Sharansky 12 October 2017 19: 24
                      +4
                      Quote: Michael Newage
                      You speak in riddles

                      It's not my fault that you lack intelligence to understand fairly simple words. However, that is why you constantly cycle on your 10 rubles. Low qualifications - low income. Everything is logical.
                      1. Michael newage
                        Michael newage 12 October 2017 19: 45
                        +4
                        Well done, I’ve already turned to personality laughing . All by training manual good . If I had time, I would explain to you who you are. After which, you would merge and begin to get to the bottom of grammar. And about the income you pushed too early. Argument: “I’m a real oligarch, and you are a rogue”, this should be gotten when you’ve completely dipped your head into the toilet, with your “knowledge” laughing . You still, the dull troll, didn’t tell you where the 40N6E missiles, about which you were unbalanced here, got lost. And already took up the hangar. Not well, I’m saying: "specialist wide-profile" laughing .
                    2. Sharansky
                      Sharansky 12 October 2017 19: 48
                      +1
                      Quote: Michael Newage
                      If I had time, I would explain to you who you are

                      something always hurts a bad dancer
                      Quote: Michael Newage
                      I didn’t tell you where the 40N6E missiles went from arms

                      and where can something that no one saw in the troops go?
                      1. Michael newage
                        Michael newage 12 October 2017 20: 05
                        +3
                        Quote: Sharansky
                        something always hurts a bad dancer

                        Yes, the conversation will be useless in any case. And as they say, do not touch hom .. oh, it will not stink laughing .

                        Quote: Sharansky
                        and where can something that no one saw in the troops go?

                        Who has not seen? Are you personally What do you have to do with the military, if not a secret. Well, except for his combat sofa. laughing
              2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                Andrei from Chelyabinsk 12 October 2017 19: 17
                +2
                Quote: Sharansky
                I do not know. Somewhere a heavy Angara A5 was lost, well, the one on which the new Federation ship was supposed to be displayed.

                Well, you don’t know, so go learn the materiel. Hangar A5 - is that a product ordered into small-scale production for trial operation? The Angara project wilted at the stage of flight design tests and yes, its fate is not clear, although the people are still swaggering. But what does this have to do with Armata?
                1. Sharansky
                  Sharansky 12 October 2017 19: 21
                  +1
                  Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                  But what does this have to do with Armata?

                  Well, what kind, you yourself know very well. That with the Cosmodrome Vostochny Rogozin threw a tooth, that with the Angara, that with PAK-FA, that with Armata in the series since 2015. The trend however, agree?
                  1. Michael newage
                    Michael newage 12 October 2017 19: 46
                    +4
                    No disagree tongue . Anything, can you close it? Have you already earned beer laughing .
          2. ADmA_RUS
            ADmA_RUS 13 October 2017 14: 02
            0
            We ordered 10 pieces already.
        2. Viktor.12.71
          Viktor.12.71 12 October 2017 16: 52
          +2
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          Despite the fact that an order for a hundred cars is already there?

          The head of Rostec, Sergei Chemezov, said that the T14 will go into production in the year 2017, now it has been postponed until 2019. Modification V3 should at least somehow equalize the abrams with T14, and by 2020 there will be 1600 units. As for SEP v4, then most likely it will remain on paper.
          1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
            Andrei from Chelyabinsk 12 October 2017 19: 18
            +1
            Quote: Viktor.12.71
            The head of Rostec, Sergei Chemezov, said that the T14 will go into production in the year 2017, now it has been postponed until 2019.

            This is a large-scale production, and no one has canceled a hundred cars for trial operation :)
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      3. Tishka
        Tishka 13 October 2017 13: 54
        +2
        Offend, 72 will be at war, T-14, only for the parade! For a normal batch of 90, money, as always, no!
  4. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 12 October 2017 14: 45
    +1
    Do not give birth. IMHO. To design such complex machines, and specific ones like a tank, you need a design bureau for this “trained”, prepared accordingly and EXPERIENCED. About ten years - they will study ... wassat
    1. assa67
      assa67 12 October 2017 15: 01
      +4
      through osman pasha they will beg for us
  5. san4es
    san4es 12 October 2017 14: 49
    +7
    The Pentagon is looking for a replacement for the Abrams tank

    ... this one will go good :
  6. inkass_98
    inkass_98 12 October 2017 14: 50
    +5
    Looking forward to:
  7. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 12 October 2017 14: 52
    +1
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    Do not give birth. IMHO. To design such complex machines, and specific ones like a tank, you need a design bureau for this “trained”, prepared accordingly and EXPERIENCED. About ten years - they will study ... wassat

    Yes, let them "learn", though they have already taught everyone how to cut loot!
    1. Sharansky
      Sharansky 12 October 2017 15: 42
      +2
      Judging by the East and Zenith Arena, this is true.
      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 12 October 2017 16: 35
        +4
        F-35 in comparison with the zenith arena in terms of peeling is like Everest with a bunch of cow manure
        1. Sharansky
          Sharansky 12 October 2017 16: 38
          +2
          If this so comforts you, then continue to amuse yourself. You always need to take an example from the Americans, right?
          1. Michael newage
            Michael newage 12 October 2017 18: 25
            +4
            But you take it laughing . So actively working for them. Protect their “values”. Can’t you?
          2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
            Andrei from Chelyabinsk 12 October 2017 19: 10
            +4
            Quote: Sharansky
            If this so comforts you, then continue to amuse yourself.

            Are you few? What about the space shuttle program? :)))) Unlike you, I have been dealing with the issue a little bit :))) And you don’t have to think that the USA is a country of honest fair elves, they’re tearing their own budget, so ours never dreamed of - simply the size of the budget is not comparable :)
            1. mat-vey
              mat-vey 13 October 2017 12: 05
              0
              In-in, if you take a little from the big, this is not a robbery, but simply a sharing ..
  8. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 12 October 2017 14: 54
    +5
    he will be able to appear in the troops no earlier than the 20140s
    By this time, even the captured "Death Stars" can only be seen in the museum in Kubinka, and in Washington, before the White House, the "Armata" will stand on a pedestal (the first one burst into the city) laughing
    1. d ^ Amir
      d ^ Amir 12 October 2017 16: 47
      +3
      wassat brutally with a pedestal ... T-14 in the middle of the ruins with a high level of radiation ??? what for??? No. and the Death Stars in serial production can be reoriented to ... well, at least further colonization ...
  9. Berkut24
    Berkut24 12 October 2017 14: 55
    +1
    US Army will adopt the latest version of Abrams - SEP v4

    The previous one was also the last, but it turned out to be extreme. Never say never".
  10. kubanec
    kubanec 12 October 2017 15: 00
    +1
    --------- The Pentagon is looking for a replacement for the Abrams tank --------------- let the T-90 bathe laughing
  11. nikolaev
    nikolaev 12 October 2017 15: 29
    +4
    Is this a hint of supplies of “Almaty” to pnidos?
    If it is possible to supply S-400 to the Turks and Saudis, then why shouldn’t Pnidos be delivered to Armata?
    Money doesn’t smell? Or do they still smell of blood?
    What an abominable arrangement of the brains of the bourgeoisie - they are ready to justify any abomination, if only to get profit!
    1. Muvka
      Muvka 12 October 2017 15: 34
      +1
      I don’t understand what are you talking about? Is selling high-tech products an abomination? Need to sell raw materials?
    2. XXXIII
      XXXIII 12 October 2017 20: 09
      +2
      Quote: nikolaev
      If it is possible to supply S-400 to the Turks and Saudis, then why shouldn’t Pnidos be delivered to Armata?
      Money doesn’t smell? Or do they still smell of blood?

      Promising developments and products are not sold, especially those related to the army ....No.
      1. mat-vey
        mat-vey 13 October 2017 12: 08
        +2
        What about the Yak-141? ..... "The text of your comment is too short and, according to the site’s administration, does not provide useful information." - Well, it’s not so short and enough information ...
  12. Michael newage
    Michael newage 12 October 2017 16: 00
    +3
    "A promising tank will appear after the US Army adopts the latest version of Abrams - SEP v4, which should happen in the 2020s."

    Modifications SEP v4 not in metal. Sep v3 still not accepted. It is not yet known whether she will appear or not.
    1. Viktor.12.71
      Viktor.12.71 12 October 2017 17: 00
      0
      Quote: Michael Newage
      There are no modifications to SEP v4 in metal. SEP v3 has not yet been accepted. It is not yet known whether she will appear or not.

      In SEP v3, 1600 units of SEP v2 are being upgraded, but I doubt the account of SEP v4. Most likely the new platform will be rolled out.
  13. vvp2412
    vvp2412 12 October 2017 16: 26
    +3
    shoot down drones with lasers

    This is a masterpiece!
    Will they carry a megawatt power plant behind the tank? :)
    On the ships, the lasers were still unable to slap the combat-ready, but they were about to put on the tank! :)
    I feel a grand dough drank ahead! For 22 years ahead! :)
    1. vearey
      vearey 13 October 2017 08: 47
      0
      At first it was that physics does not allow, then a mirror then fog smoke and rain. And now
      to carry a tank?
    2. mat-vey
      mat-vey 13 October 2017 12: 11
      0
      [quote = I feel I have a grand dough drank! For 22 years ahead! : [/ quote]
      It teleported directly ...
      1. vearey
        vearey 13 October 2017 17: 46
        0
        Teleported directly
        Ento teleportation to Russia. How many years are there before the officially announced deadline? Do not interfere with your teleportation with the American laser. By the way, how was it with the laws of physics, there were little points that the Americans wouldn’t have a laser, because contrary to the laws of physics, how was it with your teleportation according to the laws?
        1. mat-vey
          mat-vey 13 October 2017 17: 51
          0
          "Ento Teleportation in Russia" - imagine, and when I wrote about this I guessed .... So what did you want to enlighten?
          1. vearey
            vearey 13 October 2017 18: 26
            0
            imagine, and when I wrote I guessed about it
            But not me. I do not understand cynicism ... One zero in your favor.
            1. mat-vey
              mat-vey 13 October 2017 18: 30
              0
              What cynicism is there - effective everywhere are the same and supranational ...
              1. vearey
                vearey 13 October 2017 18: 32
                0
                effective everywhere are the same and supranational
                Nnda, personal experience? The best of teachers.
                1. mat-vey
                  mat-vey 13 October 2017 18: 35
                  0
                  Grandma was telling ....
  14. BISMARCK94
    BISMARCK94 12 October 2017 16: 58
    +3
    until the 2040s still live and live. Abrams completely copes with its tasks and fits into the doctrine of the United States.
  15. grandson of Perun
    grandson of Perun 12 October 2017 18: 35
    +5
    Quote: Sharansky
    Judging by the East and Zenith Arena, this is true.

    The true truth is many billions sawn into Saturn 5 and Apollo, and as a result there is no evidence of a "flight to the moon."
    Unlike real N-1, Unions and Energies.
    But you go on, go on telling how worse it is in Russia than in the states ... wink
    1. Reader 2013
      Reader 2013 12 October 2017 19: 13
      +1
      How many fools, this is about you granddaughter
    2. vearey
      vearey 13 October 2017 08: 49
      0
      go on, go on telling how worse it is in Russia
      Chit you, It’s much better in Russia, explain this to 330.000 Russian participants in the lottery on the green card. Every year.
  16. afrikanez
    afrikanez 12 October 2017 19: 20
    0
    the Pentagon finally made sure that the main tank Abrams has exhausted its resource, including the modernized
    But what about ratings of any kind now, and without Abrams? Who will be in the first place now? laughing
  17. WapentakeLokki
    WapentakeLokki 12 October 2017 19: 24
    +2
    America needs to take advantage of trophy technologies (I go to WWII German developments which were not realized for technical reasons) I mean the 1000 ton Ratte tank, and create SuperMega TANK on its basis. The heaviest, most protected, most armed (according to project 2 by 283 mm) Now it will be American and by the way they’ll immediately wipe their nose with every T-14 there (only 50 tons and 140 mm).
  18. sabakina
    sabakina 12 October 2017 20: 01
    +4
    The Pentagon is looking for a replacement for the Abrams tank

    Guys, as they find, drop me a line, test. True, I have the rights of a tractor driver, but I think I can handle it.
  19. Antokha
    Antokha 12 October 2017 20: 38
    +2
    This is good news. They want a lot of time for R&D, but this, as already mentioned, is our disease. It is clear that sooner or later they will make a new tank, and most likely it will be good. Our task is to understand what they will do by the 40th year (and they said) and to do better much earlier. Our research is cheap - starting with a million rubles. On the one hand, it is very small, and as if it does not allow to do the job well. On the other hand, this is quite a lot for a team of three specialists who can work for him, say, a month for 111 tr. each taking into account the fact that PHOT is 1/3 of the price of research. But the managers at the company take all the money, the specialists are forced to work in addition to the main projects, and are closed with paper. This is our problem number one. 2. OCD. The price of OCD is often underestimated very much, so that the defense industry companies lose money on it. Firms are hoping for the next series following OCD, the price of each product of which is much too high. If there is no series, the company flies. In general, with good initial infusions, the results of R&D (R&D * n + OCD) are mediocre, and the terms are long, because this allows you to get more money for the stages for feeding the team. NIRs are generally perceived as free money. And we need to remember that the enemy will allocate a lot of money for their specialists, such that enough for everyone. So, we have no choice but to work more efficiently. There are bulk brains, there are hands, but the control is lame on both legs. I speak from experience.
    1. SmokeR 47RU
      SmokeR 47RU 13 October 2017 09: 02
      0
      I completely agree. The same thing is in all enterprises.
  20. APASUS
    APASUS 12 October 2017 21: 18
    0
    Got it or the ad didn't work?
    the Pentagon finally made sure that the main tank Abrams has exhausted its resource, including the modernized
  21. Sasha75
    Sasha75 12 October 2017 21: 20
    +1
    In general, according to the concept of the two thousandth year, the United States did not even want to upgrade Abrams until 2040. Since, in their opinion, before that there will be no technology capable of withstanding it and they froze all further developments then.
  22. grandson of Perun
    grandson of Perun 13 October 2017 09: 41
    +2
    Quote: vearey
    go on, go on telling how worse it is in Russia
    Chit you, It’s much better in Russia, explain this to 330.000 Russian participants in the lottery on the green card. Every year.

    They don’t have to explain. They believe in a beautiful Hollywood fairy tale and are not friends with common sense. Many then in a beautiful fairy tale are disappointed and return back to Russia. So tell them how it is better in the states wink
    1. vearey
      vearey 13 October 2017 09: 49
      0
      Many later
      How many? in percentage terms, if you do not mind.
      1. Professor
        Professor 13 October 2017 09: 59
        0
        Quote: vearey
        Many later
        How many? in percentage terms, if you do not mind.

        Well, I know one such. She did not like it in the USA. I know ONE more, returned, but again moved to the USA to scold spiritless Americans in their own home.
  23. grandson of Perun
    grandson of Perun 13 October 2017 09: 59
    0
    Quote: vearey
    Many later
    How many? in percentage terms, if you do not mind.

    Google the official statistics yourself, and of those with whom I personally know: of the 5 who left, only two remained (one in Australia, one in Germany), and three disappointed returned. Particularly disappointed returned from the United States.
    1. vearey
      vearey 13 October 2017 10: 06
      0
      google yourself
      there are very few who have returned back, as a rule, those who are not used to working at all
  24. grandson of Perun
    grandson of Perun 13 October 2017 10: 15
    +1
    Quote: vearey
    google yourself
    there are very few who have returned back, as a rule, those who are not used to working at all

    Among my friends there are no loafers. There are two main reasons for returning: a sharp decline in status (migrants are almost always infringed on positions and salaries) and an alien culture / lifestyle. That is, the two main reasons for what they went for, both did not materialize.
    By the way, I do not take into account those who still left and the Yeltsin era. Because judging by their communication with them, they think that nothing has changed in Russia since the 90s, and they don’t want to return to the mess of the 90s.
    1. vearey
      vearey 13 October 2017 17: 40
      0
      Among my friends
      Facts, not OBS, are there any numbers? no? So listen here. A negligible amount is returned. Those who do not want to work or do not know how. Therefore, in Russia they were good.
  25. Dwarf with nose
    Dwarf with nose 13 October 2017 11: 01
    0
    I am not a supporter of s, but our rulers have excellently learned how to splurge, they’ve got bobble cuts of them. Armata, kurganits, boomerang are all for the parade. One hundred units of army laughing yes it takes, how much was and remains. But there will be enough of these tanks, the bottom has a superior air superiority, do we grow and grow on them and cruise missiles? We don’t have enough air defense missiles.
  26. Mairos
    Mairos 13 October 2017 12: 09
    0
    Lord .. How tired of this "pipyryanie". It seems that the youngsters are not stupid here, but no, there too - "and we have gas in the apartment, and you?" Guys, stop it !!! Well, you know how to evaluate not only your own, but also someone else's. Analyze, not show off.
  27. Mentat
    Mentat 13 October 2017 13: 05
    0
    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    Is it by the year 2040? Armata before the series? Despite the fact that an order for a hundred cars is already there? Pffff, I misunderstood you, or is it some kind of trolling

    You read the messages of this character, and you will have no questions. A considerable part of them are provocations and "this is some kind of trolling."
  28. Mentat
    Mentat 13 October 2017 18: 47
    +1
    Quote: Michael Newage
    Hospodin Sharansky, you have some kind of incomprehensible manner of conducting a discussion.

    Hospodin Sharansky walks on all topics and insinuatingly talks about how everything is bad in Russia, apparently hoping to somehow sow trouble. However, the mind is not a chamber, so the result of attempts is not very.
    In addition, this character sometimes does not hesitate to just lie. Judging by the allegations about Poroshenko, it is possible that this is a “super-specialist Internet of counteracting Russian propaganda” from Ukraine.
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 13 October 2017 19: 01
      +2
      Quote: Mentat
      Hospodin Sharansky walks on all topics and insinuatingly talks about how everything is bad in Russia, apparently hoping to somehow sow trouble.

      There was such a Ukrainian Jew even under the USSR - Natan Shcharansky (at the birth of Anatoly Borisovich Shcharansky), the so-called dissident fiercely hated all the Soviet people of our country and the country itself. He was arrested, he was in a “psychiatric hospital”, then he was exchanged for intelligence from the USSR of Poland in the GDR and went to Israel where he held ministerial posts in the government of the Tel Aviv regime and was engaged in pouring “streams of dirt” to the countries of the socialist camp and especially the USSR.
      Most likely this Sharansky is also some kind of Ukrainian Jew.
  29. grandson of Perun
    grandson of Perun 13 October 2017 18: 56
    +1
    Quote: vearey
    Among my friends
    Facts, not OBS, are there any numbers? no? So listen here. A negligible amount is returned. Those who do not want to work or do not know how. Therefore, in Russia they were good.

    Once again I repeat - not loafers returned at all. But the meaning of your obstinacy is understandable - self-justification and stereotypes about Russians.
    1. vearey
      vearey 14 October 2017 09: 41
      0
      stereotypes about Russians.
      Stereotypes have appeared from you, look around and look in the mirror, maybe it's you.
  30. grandson of Perun
    grandson of Perun 13 October 2017 23: 52
    0
    Quote: tihon4uk
    And what did you want to say with a beautiful picture, the abrash is still not vulnerable?

    Even in beautiful pictures, the auxiliary generator on the balcony behind the tower is not covered by armor and is vulnerable to even a machine gun.
  31. grandson of Perun
    grandson of Perun 14 October 2017 00: 04
    0
    Quote: vearey
    Basically send
    So I send them there too.

    It’s not necessary to send a big mind, but think for yourself and figure out what potential energy a 70-ton piece of iron will have after jumping from at least a meter springboard, and what kind of shock absorbers should have, so that at landing it’s at least 5 G overload, so that the tank crew didn’t break anything winked
    1. vearey
      vearey 14 October 2017 09: 40
      0
      Sending a big mind is not required
      So you sent the tumult? Well, sympathize.
      google statistics yourself
      Your words? Or you will wag, as befits you.
      1. grandson of Perun
        grandson of Perun 14 October 2017 10: 34
        0
        Judging by the answer in the style of "such a man himself", you have no arguments either about the absorption of energy by the Abrams suspension or from the discrepancy between PR and the realities of the West. Well, very expected ... wink
        1. vearey
          vearey 14 October 2017 13: 09
          0
          Judging by the answer
          Wagging? Predictably.
  32. grandson of Perun
    grandson of Perun 15 October 2017 12: 25
    +1
    Quote: vearey
    Judging by the answer
    Wagging? Predictably.

    Alas, you wag.
    Again, in the absence of arguments for cutting on "flights to the moon", the inconsistency of PR of real life in the West and the technical impossibility of jumping on Abrams - the transition to the individual. negative
    There will be at least some arguments - there will be a topic for conversation hi , for a showdown is not interesting to me.