Military Review

Libya: after Gaddafi

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I. The triumph of democracy

March 19 is one year old since the beginning of the military intervention in Libya.

In mid-February 2011, protests began in the country against Muammar Gaddafi, who ruled Libya for four decades. They quickly escalated into armed clashes between supporters of Gaddafi and the opposition, who were then supported by the North Atlantic Alliance. Gaddafi was killed on October 20 2011.

The armed struggle lasted eight months and claimed tens of thousands of lives. Alan Jules wrote on this topic: “Until when will people remain silent with respect to the perverse and deadly dialectic of NATO and its“ protection of civilians ”? More than 2000 people died from the deadly bombardment of Sirte. When they began to bomb residential buildings, the death toll in Libya exceeded 63000 ”(source: "Russian folk line"). Currently, different media converge on the number of victims in 50.000 or so.

Oppositionists created the Transitional National Council, which currently rules Libya. However, "rules" - one can only say with a strong stretch, as about the Russian Provisional Government of the 1917 of the year.

A few quotes:

“22-year-old Ahmed doesn't go out without a gun. Before the uprising, he was an ordinary student. The war turned his life. He joined the rebels. Romance was quickly replaced by bloody reality. Ahmed participated in the overthrow of Muammar Gaddafi, but now he is questioning the fact that the civil war brought good to the Libyans.

“NATO bombing caused anger, hatred and fear. The children who fell under the bombs were so frightened that for a long time they could not utter a word. Many innocent people suffered. They had nothing to do with Gadhafi’s supporters, ”Ahmed said.

Rebels Libyans are now called "careerists" and "separatists." Militants of numerous tribes still not laid down weapon. Each group has its own interests, which they are ready to defend with weapons in their hands ”(source: "Vesti.ru", Ilya Klimov).

“... after the fall of the regime, the worst scenarios were realized in the country: the coming to power of the Islamists, the tribal massacres, the genocide of the Tuareg and the tuba, the complete discord of the national economy and ultimately the collapse of the state.

The processes that crystallized by the beginning of March, when representatives of the eastern clans decided to secede from the rest of the country, vividly confirm this: March, according to a number of sources, leaders of several Libyan tribes and a number of field commanders announced an important oil-bearing region from Sirte city, located in the central part of Libya, to the border with Egypt, "semi-autonomous." That is, all revenues from its operation should henceforth be transferred to the Bengazian "piggy bank."

Of course, this provoked rage in Tripoli, where almost nothing controls Libyan National Transitional Council (PNC), whose head Mustafa Abdel Jalil threatened to use military force against unwilling to share clans from Cyrenaica. However, his anger quickly passed when he admitted that the authorities did not have enough forces and means for this ”(source: Pravda.ru, Shamil Islambekov).

“The NPS experienced a number of regular internal disputes, and its composition and functioning are shrouded in mystery. Last July, the military leader of the Council, Abdul Fatah Eunice al-Obeidi, was killed under uncertain circumstances. Then, in November, the NPS military prosecutor named his former deputy prime minister Ali al-Issawi the prime suspect. The conflict and the opacity around this case speak of the country's political fragility after the death of Colonel Muammar al-Gaddafi ”(source: CA-News, Mohammad-Mahmoud Yield Mohamed).

In addition to the Transitional Council, there are other political forces in Libya. “The Tripoli Military Council, supported by twenty thousand fighters, for example, which controls the capital, was consistently independent of the NPS and forced its first foreign minister, Mahmoud Jibril, to leave.

Meanwhile, the rival Tripoli Revolutionary Council warned that it would dislodge any new government if its representation requirements were not met. Also, the NPS is under pressure from Libya's Berbers, who make up 10% of the population and have already taken to the streets to condemn the new political mechanisms and reject any system that does not take into account their culture and language.

This disagreement can be complicated by two additional factors. First, this is the rival struggle of large cities for the right to conquer the revolution: Misurata, in which Gadhafi’s body was shown; Tripoli, where the liberation ceremony took place; and Dzintan where the son of Gaddafi Saif al-Islam al-Gaddafi languishes in detention. And all of them, like most Libyans, unrealistically expect that their newfound freedom will somehow solve their socio-economic problems ”(source: CA-News, Mohammad-Mahmoud Yield Mohamed). At the same time, "... Libya is awash with weapons with unguarded warehouses, abandoned reserves, looted ammunition warehouses and thousands of mobile anti-aircraft missile systems, thermal guidance" (same source).

There is also an additional factor explaining the chaos, unrest and discontent in today's Libya - the lack of practical experience of political activity among the members of the Transitional Council.

“Political experience has never been a prerequisite for NPS membership. One representative was appointed to the Council because he deserted 20 with his MiG fighter aircraft years ago. Other members had previously been political prisoners or dissidents expelled from the country.

The inexperienced in the art of NPS policies often lacks the prudence necessary to make important decisions. During the eight months of the revolution last year, the NPC focused on overthrowing Gaddafi, gaining international recognition and providing access to frozen Libyan assets. These tasks left few resources for planning Libya after Gaddafi. Currently, the NPC simply does not have the human resources to consolidate the transition.

Libya has never been rich in professional bureaucracy, like neighboring Egypt. Gaddafi often relinquished power to the municipalities and citizens in an attempt to circumvent the civil servants who constantly frustrated his ambitious plans. And for almost two decades of international sanctions, the Libyan generation was not allowed to obtain the necessary technical skills while studying at universities in the West ”(source: The Day, Barack Barfi).

Journalists summarize: “Today, both in Libya and in France, Great Britain, and the United States, celebrations are being held in honor of the anniversary of the start of the intervention. Political scientists discuss the results of the campaign. And they do not give reason for joy "("Vesti.ru", Ilya Klimov).

Here are the consequences of the "anniversary":

“The American Permanent Representative to the United Nations (Susan Rice. - O. Ch.), In a statement issued on Saturday, claims that“ she’s never felt as proud as when she gave historical a voice on behalf of the US and President Obama, who saved thousands of innocent lives. ” She cites Obama’s statement that resolution 1973 “showed how the international community should act - to rally in the name of peace and security and people who defend their rights.”

“Rice extols what is universally considered a victory for the United States and NATO, which was supposed to prove the validity of the ideas of“ humanitarian intervention ”and“ responsibility to protect, ”said Gibbs (David Gibbs, professor of history at the University of Arizona at Tucson. - O. Ch.) ITAR-TASS. - Her goal was also to raise the profile of the United States and NATO and put it on an apparently moral level. In fact, the main consequence of the invasion of Libya was the growth of instability in the world through the looting of Gaddafi's military arsenals, which resulted in the proliferation of weapons in the North African region.

According to Gibbs, whose latest book, Do No Harm: Humanitarian Intervention and the Destruction of Yugoslavia, was published by Vanderbilt, the intervention in Libya "also increased the risk of nuclear proliferation, since it was implemented after Gaddafi agreed to abandon the program its development. " The American political analyst is convinced that this "will undoubtedly complicate the ongoing attempts to convince North Korea to abandon its nuclear program" ("Vesti.ru").

The Libyan crisis has already gone beyond the borders of Libya:

“The military coup that took place on Thursday in the African state of Mali was largely due to the influx of weapons and militants from Libya, said Deputy Foreign Minister Mikhail Bogdanov.

“I personally think that this is a sad consequence of the Libyan crisis. (This is a consequence) of how it was resolved when arms and militants flowed across the Libyan borders to the northern and northeastern regions of Mali. This has become a very powerful feed for various separatist groups, ”Bogdanov told reporters on Thursday” (RIA News").

Last week, on Sunday, there were armed clashes in Tripoli. Skirmishes and battles in Libya have become commonplace. Quote from the newspaper "Sight": “According to experts, similar incidents in Libyan cities will occur in the future, because the“ revolution ”has led to the fact that every citizen of Libya is now armed no worse than a special forces fighter, ITAR-TASS.”

Meanwhile, the PNS is much more interested in the welfare of Libyan citizens litigations. First, over the former Libyan intelligence chief:

“Vice-Premier of the Libyan Transitional Government Mustafa Abu Shagur, who went to the Mauritanian capital Nouakchott on Monday, obtained the consent of the government of this country to issue an intelligence chief under Gadhafi Abdullah Al-Senussi. “I met with the President of Mauritania (Mohammed Ould Abdel Aziz), and he agreed to the extradition of al-Senussi to Libya,” the politician informed the readers of his microblog on Tuesday evening (source: Gazeta.ru, A. Artemyev, S. Smirnov).

Secondly, over the son of Gaddafi:

“The trial of the second son of the overthrown Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi on charges of war crimes will begin in Tripoli in the coming weeks. It is reported by ITAR-TASS with reference to the British media. ... British print media report that Safe Al-Islam will be located on the territory of the largest metropolitan prison Ahdat. “All her prisoners were removed in order to take Gaddafi’s son. At one of the sites already built a special object. He is like a villa and has several rooms in which Gadhafi will soon be located. The facility also includes two open sports grounds and a mosque, ”the newspaper notes.” ("Russian newspaper").

And further. It is obvious that NATO will not conduct an investigation into the deaths of civilians in Libya - from air strikes inflicted by the forces of the alliance:

“Earlier it was reported that international experts were able to establish the fact of the death of 60 and injured 55 civilians. At the same time, as follows from the statement of Amnesty International, the representatives of NATO themselves recorded 55 cases of the death of peaceful Libyans. In addition, human rights defenders say more 34 killed as a result of a NATO air strike on the village of Mazhir in August last year.

Amnesty International calls on the alliance to thoroughly investigate all civilian deaths and bring those responsible to justice. In addition, according to human rights activists, NATO should pay compensation to the families of those killed and injured during the military operation.

NATO, in turn, explains that it cannot investigate alleged deaths of civilians, since today the North Atlantic Alliance no longer has the right to carry out any activities in Libya ”(source: RIA News").

The UN Commission on Libya, which undertook to study the Libyan operation, in March “published a report confirming the deaths of civilians as a result of the actions of coalition forces. At the same time, it was emphasized that the NATO command did everything necessary to avoid it ”(RIA News").

It seems that NATO and the UN have finally become friends. Two of a Kind.

Ii. "Phantom of separation"

And now we read that the democratic press writes about modern Libya: the British and American.

"San", 5 March 2012., “Libya apologizes for the desecration of graves,” the author is Felix Allen.

The article says that the leadership of Libya apologized to Britain - after the gravestones of more than a hundred British and allied graves of the heroes of the Second World War at a military cemetery in Benghazi were broken on the eve.

“The country's National Transitional Council has pledged to find Islamic extremists who are held responsible for the insult. "This action does not reflect the public opinion of the Libyans."

The article also says: "The residents of Benghazi are grateful for the help of Great Britain in overthrowing the dictator Colonel Gaddafi and find the attack disgusting."

Another article from "San" - Fresher, from 21 March: "Libyan militia captured the British, confusing the Welsh with Hebrew." And the subtitle: "Journalists were mistaken for Israeli spies." The author is Matt Quinton.

The article tells about two Britons who recently made democracy in Libya.

The injured were reporter Gareth Montgomery-Johnson of Wales origin and cameraman Nicholas Davis-Jones from Berkshire. The journalists returned to the UK after they were released last Sunday.

Quinton writes: "They were detained on February by the Swehli Brigade - one of dozens of militants who helped overcome the resistance of Colonel Gaddafi last year." Journalists spent three weeks in the dungeons, while the militants studied their equipment and video. Gareth Montgomery-Johnson said: “The conditions were not too good, what else can I say?” And he added: “We are glad to be with our families again, because they have experienced the same thing.”

Newspaper "New York Times" from 12 March 2012. put the article “Libyan Liberation Fiasco” article by Jeff D. Porter. The author is a risk consultant specializing in North Africa.

“Libya’s new electoral law,” Porter writes, “adopted by the Transitional National Council last month, provides guidelines for the election of the country's first democratic government. Many, including the United Nations, welcomed the adoption of the law as an important step on Libya’s difficult political journey. ”

But the trouble is: whether the law is not completely democratic, or whether the armed forces in Libya are not yet fully ripe for true democracy:

“But even if, as planned, the government will be elected at the end of this year, the law contains a paragraph that practically guarantees that Libya will remain economically unstable and dangerous for both itself and its neighbors, namely: it prohibits the military from voting” .

As the author notes, the exclusion of soldiers from the electoral process is a clear and real problem for countries on the transitional path from dictatorship to democracy.

“In transitional post-conflict states,” writes Porter, “such laws are intended not only to prevent generals from entering the presidential palace, but also to ensure that the armed forces remain a professional organization responsible for ensuring the sovereignty of the country and protecting national interests” .

However, the author of the article notes that Libya differs from Egypt in that it has “surprisingly weak armed forces that pose very little threat to the formation of political blocs.

Instead, Porter writes, the country is flooded with militias — according to reports, there are as many 200.000 militia members with a population of six million people. And the militias are terribly well armed - as a result of raids on warehouses with Gaddafi’s weapons, carried out during the active stages of the conflict. ”

The government, Porter notes, is powerless against impunity of the militias, and can only beg them to lay down their arms.

"One of the proposed solutions for resolving the situation is to attract militia members to regular professional Libyan military units under the control of the Ministry of Defense over 50.000 (other militia members would be expected to give up weapons of their own free will, while others would be disarmed through the program to buy weapons).

And here is the problem of the electoral law: why the militia, whose members could vote and thus prove themselves as a strong bloc, disbanded so that their members can join the military, who are excluded from the elections? In other words, the consequences of this law - the maintenance of the militias - will directly contradict its goal, namely the reduction of the role of armed groups in Libyan politics. ”

According to Porter, the economic normalization of Libya will be postponed as long as the militias have power.

Report by Suleiman Ali Al-Zwei and David D. Kirkpatrick, published on March 6 in "New York Times", called “Eastern Libya requires semi-autonomy in a free national federation”, it is reported that Benghazi’s demands for semi-autonomy of the region impose new difficulties “on the feasibility and likelihood of transitional leaders’ plans for elections in June to elect a national constituent assembly that formed would be a new government and constituted a constitution. ”

Journalists note that the “regional competition” over autonomous power began immediately after the overthrow of Colonel Gaddafi six months ago.

“The specter of division loomed over the uprising against Colonel Gaddafi from the very beginning, partly because of the long history of a divided country, partly because of the relatively short history of national unity in the area now known as Libya. Ruled as three colonies of the Ottoman Empire, Libya was first formed as a whole after Italy conquered in 1934, and the three provinces remained strong and largely independent even within the federal monarchy formed by the United Nations in 1951.

After the coup d'état in 1969, Colonel Gaddafi created an extremely centralized police state from the provinces, and moved the capital from the east to Tripoli to the west. Many in the east felt that he was starving the region, dragging resources, and this region was the first to oppose his rule. ”

Now, when Gaddafi doesn’t, and Libya is threatened with disintegration, »transitional leaders’, fearing the separation of the national government, are trying to counter the increasing “federalism” decentralization, agreeing to start with the independence of the regional militias.

In the article “Activists convince the resisting UN Human Rights Council to pressure Libya to investigate all abuses,” published March 22 in Washington Post With reference to the Associated Press, the following is said:

“Serious crimes committed by ex-rebels in Libya risk unpunished because members of the UN Human Rights Council do not show a great inclination to put pressure on the new government to investigate abuses committed after the fall of the Gaddafi regime,” human rights organizations warned on Wednesday.

A report by a group of UN experts, published earlier this month, acknowledged that former rebels continue to harass people who are perceived as loyal to the late Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi. Militias are holding thousands of people under amateur guards, where torture is widespread, the report says.

“The transitional government does not want to investigate the actions of these militias,” said Donatella Rovera, senior crisis counselor at Amnesty International. ”

Observed and translated by Oleg Chuvakin
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  1. Lech e-mine
    Lech e-mine 24 March 2012 08: 56
    34
    Now in LIVIA all sorts of bandits like this democracy hero with a gun rule the ball

    1. tronin.maxim
      tronin.maxim 24 March 2012 09: 22
      16
      This is what remains after the Americans - terror appears in the place of the country!
      1. Норд
        Норд 24 March 2012 12: 17
        +8
        With the American "bearers of democracy" everything is clear for a long time. But I don’t understand how Gaddafi managed to keep these cave baboons in check for four decades? Naturally, not everyone in Libya is the same as in the photo, but it’s impossible to name these people.
        1. Ziksura
          Ziksura 24 March 2012 12: 41
          10
          Quote: Nord
          But I don’t understand how Gaddafi managed to keep these cave baboons in check for four decades?

          But it became clear to everyone why he was a tough ruler; there simply was no other option.
          And to be honest, remembering the theory of relativity, I begin to generate how he managed to be so soft.
          Does anyone else need proof?
        2. VAF
          VAF 24 March 2012 13: 27
          20
          Quote: Nord
          But I don’t understand how Gaddafi managed to keep these cave baboons in check for four decades?


          As they say in the famous phrase of one literary hero "... elementary Watson"! good

          Muammar Gaddafi has transformed Libya from the world's poorest country into the most prosperous state, even more prosperous than Brazil and Saudi Arabia.
          “Multiparty democracy is a fiction promoted by governments that consider their own people to be donkeys and deny them real power. We saw a world shocked by a multi-party system. What alternative to power do we need when the power itself is in the hands of the people?
          The world is fed up with parties and elections. Even the Western intelligentsia is disgusted with the party system and the elective farce. They recognize the fact that everything that happens is not democracy, but falsification. The world, after all, goes into the arms of popular power, sweeping away all the old systems in its path.
          We will never give up the State of the People. The return to power of individuals will not happen ”- Muammar Gaddafi, 2007.
          The following are the 16 achievements of Gaddafi, brought to Libya during his reign, which the Libyan people will never see again until the Western "democratic" puppet regime is established in their country:
          1. There were no electricity bills in Libya; It was free for all residents.
          2. There was no interest on loans. Banks were state-owned and the loan percentage was zero by law.
          3. Having a home was considered one of the human rights in Libya.
          4. All newlyweds received $ 50000 (60000 dinars) for the purchase of the first housing from the government, in order to support young families.
          5. Education and medicine were free. Before Muammar Gaddafi, only 25% of the population was educated. Today, this figure is 83%.
          6. If the Libyans wanted to farm, they received agricultural land, farm, equipment, seeds and livestock - all for free.
          7. If the Libyans could not find the right education or medical facilities within the country, the government funded their education / treatment abroad. But that's not all, they received $ 2300 per month for housing and car allowance.
          8. If a Libyan purchased a car, the state subsidized 50% of its value.
          9. The price of gas in Libya was $ 0.14 per liter.
          10. Libya had no external debts, and the reserves frozen to date were $ 150 billion.
          11. If the Libyan could not find work after graduation, the state paid him the average salary by profession until he takes a job.
          12. The share of each sale of Libyan oil was credited directly to the bank accounts of Libyan citizens.
          13. For the birth of each child, the mother received $ 5000.
          14. Food was also subsidized by the government: 40 loaves of bread cost $ 0.15.
          15. 25% of Libyans are university graduates.
          16. Muammar Gaddafi carried out a major irrigation project, known as the Great River Project of Manmadme, with the goal of making fresh water available throughout the desert country.
          1. GRIGORIY1957
            GRIGORIY1957 25 March 2012 01: 38
            0
            Quote: veteran.air force
            1. There were no electricity bills in Libya; It was free for all residents.
            2. There was no interest on loans. Banks were state-owned and the loan percentage was zero by law.
            3. Having a home was considered one of the human rights in Libya.
            4. All newlyweds received $ 50000 (60000 dinars) for the purchase of the first housing from the government, in order to support young families.
            5. Education and medicine were free. Before Muammar Gaddafi, only 25% of the population was educated. Today, this figure is 83%.
            6. If the Libyans wanted to farm, they received agricultural land, farm, equipment, seeds and livestock - all for free.
            7. If the Libyans could not find the right education or medical facilities within the country, the government funded their education / treatment abroad. But that's not all, they received $ 2300 per month for housing and car allowance.
            8. If a Libyan purchased a car, the state subsidized 50% of its value.
            9. The price of gas in Libya was $ 0.14 per liter.

            10. Libya had no external debts, and the reserves frozen to date were $ 150 billion.

            11. If the Libyan could not find work after graduation, the state paid him the average salary by profession until he takes a job.
            12. The share of each sale of Libyan oil was credited directly to the bank accounts of Libyan citizens.
            13. For the birth of each child, the mother received $ 5000.
            14. Food was also subsidized by the government: 40 loaves of bread cost $ 0.15.
            15. 25% of Libyans are university graduates.
            16. Muammar Gaddafi carried out a major irrigation project, known as the Great River Project of Manmadme, with the goal of making fresh water available throughout the desert country.

            Sorry OUR RESERVE FUND IS ALSO STORED IN AMERICAN BANKS ...
          2. Shuriken
            Shuriken 25 March 2012 19: 36
            +1
            As for me, so if the Russian ruler would do at least half of this for the people, even if they were the worst, even though he lived in a golden house in the middle of the Kremlin with kents and trainers together, even though he was called the Divine Emperor ........
      2. VAF
        VAF 24 March 2012 13: 02
        +6
        Quote: tronin.maxim
        This is what remains after the Americans


        And not only terror, but complete devastation, lawlessness, lack of control, and the amers can only "come to the rescue"! am
      3. Kremlin
        Kremlin 24 March 2012 13: 45
        11
        Guys in fact, help our country to fight enemies and traitors!

        Here is the link
        http://podkontrol.ru/index.php

        A war is being waged against Russia. This is an undeclared information war in which hundreds and thousands of people, agencies and organizations are participating. Using the imperfection and backwardness of Russian legislation, multimillion-dollar budgets are allocated through foreign funds to finance activities directed against Russia. Billions of dollars are spent on undermining the integrity of our country, the stability of the political system. To destroy the peaceful life of citizens.

        The recipients of these budgets are non-profit organizations that dress in the “sheep's clothing” of human rights and analytical organizations. In fact, they play the role of subversive structures, or even directly finance the activists of radical political movements. More details on such facts can be found here.

        It is not customary for us to say how much money is allocated by other countries to finance agents of influence in Russia. But they themselves do not hide it. The scale of financing of the undeclared war against Russia can be estimated at least from the words of American officials. Thus, according to US Deputy Secretary of State Philip Gordon, since the beginning of 2009 alone, the United States of America has allocated $ 200 million for the development of democracy in Russia. This is not enough, and US officials have already announced plans to create an additional $ 50 million fund to finance non-governmental organizations in Russia.
    2. VAF
      VAF 24 March 2012 13: 30
      11
      Quote: Leha e-mine
      Now in LIVIA all sorts of bandits rule the ball


      And amers are successfully "reaping the fruits" of their "labor"! am

      12000 U.S. Army soldiers were redeployed from military bases in Malta and from the U.S. to Libyan territory. They will have to protect oil refineries, pipelines and oil production sites, ”said Peter Bainchley, an English military expert. Italy and Switzerland also announced the transfer of their soldiers to Libya. Here it is true American democracy - OIL, MONEY, OIL ... This is actually the occupation of Libya by foreign armies by NATO members in order to control Libya's natural resources.

      The puppet government of Libya, created by the very same Americans, cannot control oil production, which the Americans actually wanted from the very beginning. “If America takes oil production under its military control, then oil will be supplied at clearly lower prices. About 20-25 dollars per barrel. The truth is a very "democratic" price, and the Libyans will feel good with the new "democracy", they will remember more than once about the dictator Gaddafi, who provided them with the highest standard of living in Africa. The Americans have other goals - to pump oil almost for free, and the Libyans to provide food assistance for the same penny for oil. Besides the fact that the Libyans are shamelessly robbed by “gentlemen of the democrats,” such a policy will also affect the world price of oil, which means Russia will have to sell oil at a cheap price. Well, we have long had “complete democracy” and we don’t see money from the sale of oil, but the rise in prices for everything will be explained by the global crisis and the fall in oil prices.

      Well, that’s all fine for the Americans and NATOers - they provided themselves with free oil, and the Libyans let them enjoy democracy in the desert, because they needed it so much, and they won’t have access to the resources of their country until someone who expels the invaders from the country as Gaddafi did it at one time.

      Who is next in line for "democratization"? Well, probably Iran, there is oil, a rich country, you can rob for a long time. After such actions, the United States and NATO become synonymous with the word democracy and robbery.
      1. teves
        teves 24 March 2012 14: 01
        27 th
        The theme of Libya, I see, is very worried about the Russians on the site laughing Gentlemen - everything will be wonderful, no need to escalate the situation, relax and have fun. The rule of law is dictated by the strongest, the rest are not asked. And if some countries have any questions, then become stronger economically and militarily in America and work as you please! What problems? Russia has partners in Abkhazia and South Ossetia, so make them richer than Switzerland and people will reach for you. Abkhazia, as I heard, has a wonderful nature and resort potential - so make it an international resort. Who's stopping you? Show the world your model for interacting with friendly modes. Make South Ossetia a ski competitor for Austria, for example. If Russia creates the mega-tourism cluster Dagestan-Chechnya-KBK-South Ossetia-Abkhazia, then this will simply cause a worldwide sensation in the tourism business! Earn billions of dollars and show the world all the benefits of your democracy and human development potential! Go for it
        1. GRIGORIY1957
          GRIGORIY1957 25 March 2012 01: 52
          -1
          Quote: teves

          The theme of Libya, I see, is very worrying for Russians on the Lord’s website - everything will be wonderful, there is no need to escalate the situation, relax and have fun. The rule of law is dictated by the strongest, the rest are not asked. And if some countries have any questions, then become stronger economically and militarily in America and work as you please!

          ANIMAL, WORK YOUR 30 SILVERS ... am ...?

          JUDAH, FORGET THE RUSSIAN LANGUAGE ...! ! !
        2. Uralm
          Uralm 25 March 2012 02: 36
          -1
          Where did this miracle come from? Still clever !!!
        3. sichevik
          sichevik 25 March 2012 09: 53
          +1
          Don’t worry, we’ll soon become. We will become stronger both economically and financially and militarily. America has a public debt simply astronomical. And it will not save either the endless printing of their green candy wrappers, or the next war game that they plan to unleash ...
          But soon we will all dictate the conditions. And to the most dissatisfied we simply deliver with high quality by garbage. Don’t hesitate, be sure to give !!! This we have not forgotten how to do.
          And yet crawl out, as we will just crush like worms ... So, get ready, animal.
        4. lotus04
          lotus04 25 March 2012 11: 40
          0
          soon you will wipe your bucks and heat the stove ...
        5. freedom
          freedom 26 March 2012 00: 36
          0
          If we relax, we get the same pleasure as the Libyans. And we will have everything else, only without people like you.
      2. Норд
        Норд 24 March 2012 14: 05
        14
        Quote: "As the famous phrase of one literary hero says" ... elementary Watson "!
        Yes, that's not so elementary. Libyans had the highest standard of living in Africa, but what do they have now? And let them actively pushed to rebellion, but you need to have your own brains. Maybe I got excited and in vain offended the baboons by comparison with these bipedal ones ....
        1. VAF
          VAF 24 March 2012 14: 39
          +4
          Quote: Nord
          what do they have now?


          And the mentality is not taken into account and such a thing as "crowd"!

          Remember our events of 1991 and 1993!

          The people "swept away" everyone and everything in the hope of "another bright future" !!!

          Well, what we now have and how we get out of "this" is another question, but you have the same stories in Ukraine, almost the same!

          But still you +! drinks
          1. Норд
            Норд 24 March 2012 15: 18
            13
            Quote: "... yes, you have the same stories in Ukraine, almost the same!"
            The trouble is, buddy, that everything is much worse with us. We do not see any intelligible prospects at all. There are completely no politicians-statesmen, some temporary workers who deeply spit on people. And I personally do not see the future of this state. One hope for unification with Russia - this is still alive ...
            1. VAF
              VAF 24 March 2012 15: 51
              10
              Quote: Nord
              that everything is much worse with us


              I don’t argue my friend, we just returned from Lugansk in the morning, and before that they dropped by to the lads in Donetsk, they showed it, but the picture is not very good, but I dare to assure you that if we remove all the "husk" and plunge a little deeper, then " that still picture "!
              I hope too wildly that everything will return "to square one" and will be as before, without these "buffoonery" borders between us !!! drinks
    3. Ahmar
      Ahmar 26 March 2012 15: 58
      0
      "American scientists have discovered the gene of democracy in people" - http://podrobnosti.ua/technologies/2012/03/13/825355.html - it’s really bad ...

      DEMOCRACY ON THE MARCH. DOESN'T IT TIME TO SHOOT THE FORCED HORSES?
      http://geopolitika.kz/vazhnie-sobitiya/demokratiya-na-marshe-ne-pora-li-pristrel
      it-zagnannich-loshadey
  2. YARY
    YARY 24 March 2012 09: 02
    +4
    They fought for sho, they ran into something !!
    1. Reddragon
      Reddragon 24 March 2012 10: 25
      20
      We will bring democracy so that children live happily even if it is built on the bones of those very children .. (USA motto)
      1. VAF
        VAF 24 March 2012 13: 40
        +3
        Quote: RedDragoN
        We bring democracy


        Allegedly "we will report", but "..... the casket just opened!" :

        Americans received only six percent of Libyan "black gold". The remaining four percent came from India, Malaysia and Singapore.

        Thus, together the United States and Britain account for less than ten percent of the oil produced in Libya.
        Whereas until 1969, the lion's share of oil production in this country belonged to American and British companies.
        After the victory of the Libyan Revolution, Gaddafi expelled Westerners from his country (an exception was made only for the clever R. Hammer) and only in 2004 opened it again for the Americans and the British, who had to be content with little.

        And it is possible that now, after forty-odd years, the United States and Great Britain return to the situation before 1969.
        One can only guess about the options of how this can be.
        But one thing is clear: pro-Western forces will give up TNK oil and gas wealth of the country at a much lower cost than it was under Gaddafi.
      2. Vadim555
        Vadim555 24 March 2012 17: 33
        +6
        Quote: RedDragoN
        RedDragoN Today, 10:25 12 We will bring democracy so that children live happily even if it is built on the bones of those very children .. (US motto)

        Plus
    2. montemor
      montemor 24 March 2012 17: 19
      +1
      but there’s another option, yake yihalo, laughing
  3. domokl
    domokl 24 March 2012 09: 13
    12
    Only a counter-revolution can be brought in from outside, a revolution must ripen as an abscess ... what happened in Libya is a well-played performance for the capture of Libyan oil .. Oil is practically used free of charge by the West, the rest is the internal business of the Libyans ... And the collapse of the country is a great continuation for all interested parties ...
    Microbial countries are easier to manage ...
    1. VAF
      VAF 24 March 2012 13: 33
      +1
      Quote: domokl
      Oil, almost used free of charge by the West


      I definitely confirm !!! good

      Here are the latest news:
      Between the "rebels" of the National Council of Libya and the American company Tesoro signed the first contract for the supply of oil. In the very near future, a million barrels of "black gold" will go overseas. The value of the transaction was not disclosed.

      Libyan oil will be delivered by tankers to Hawaii. Petrodollars will flow in the opposite direction, which, according to the assurances of the Americans, "the Libyan people are very necessary for support."

      Libyan oil exports will pass by sanctions imposed by the US Treasury on the legitimate government of Libya. The “opposition” made a pleasant exception.

      Let me remind you that before the riots began, Libya produced 1,7 million barrels of oil per day. Now - 390 thousand.
      1. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 24 March 2012 22: 04
        +3
        Here is the building on the right, which is a pack of one hundred dollar bills.
        114,5 trillion dollars. There he is, on the right!

        This is the size of the unsecured obligations of the United States. On the right we see a gloomy pillar of 100-dollar bills towering above the twin towers and the Empire State Building - both of which were once the tallest buildings in the world. If you look closely, you can even see the Statue of Liberty.

        A super-duper skyscraper of 114,5 trillion dollars is a money supply that, as the US government knows, it cannot be blocked by financing various social programs, as well as military and civil pensions. This is an account that America cannot pay, and she knows it.

        Unsecured liabilities are calculated based on current tax rates and expenses, as well as the demographic shift in the US population. It is important that you understand that both the external and internal US debts are taken into account.

        Source: US Federal Reserve and USdebtclock.org
        Paying off such a debt is almost impossible. We have to engage in robbery.
    2. 755962
      755962 24 March 2012 22: 46
      0
      Instability has increased worldwide. The militarization of the vast region of North Africa continues. In fact, a hotbed of the spread of armed extremism was created in Europe’s “underbelly.” Over the past few months, Russia has repeatedly demanded that the UN investigate the crimes of NATO and its puppets against the Libyan people. However, the leadership of the alliance refuses to do so.



      The NATO Alliance considers itself the “master of the situation” in Libya. His apologists believe that now the United States and the West can use the UN as its military lever for new aggressions and the establishment of regimes loyal to the West.
  4. Tugarin-zmey
    Tugarin-zmey 24 March 2012 09: 17
    +5
    The government, Porter notes, is powerless against impunity of the militias, and can only beg them to lay down their arms.


    Don’t beg them, there’s still a lot of popcorn ...

    Let these disgusting events taking place in Libya develop immunity among the Arabs against the "Orange" revolutions imposed by the West.
  5. GSH-18
    GSH-18 24 March 2012 09: 28
    +4
    The result was known in advance:
    Territory without a state, which gives benefits only to amers. The people of Libya do not care. Although they deserved what they wanted, there was nothing to stupid! When Gaddafi, they lived better than their neighbors, and now? recourse They thought the "world democrats" would bring them an apple on a platter, naive. This is a living warning and an example to other states that know how to think with their own heads - how not to do (support the aggressor from within)!
  6. Sniper 1968
    Sniper 1968 24 March 2012 09: 48
    +6
    The revolution is over. A terrible hangover has come ... The American Democracy for Oil program continues ... Is your country still prosperous? Then we come to you! wassat fellow yes Remember Libya. Without clinking glasses ... crying crying recourse
    1. Ziksura
      Ziksura 24 March 2012 12: 33
      +6
      Quote: Sniper 1968
      The revolution is over. A terrible hangover has come ...

      Still nothing has ended. All the worst for Libya in front. Gaddafi will be remembered if they are alive.
    2. Uralm
      Uralm 25 March 2012 19: 04
      0
      Sniper 1968
      The Amers spent them like kittens. Now already from this crap "democracies" will not be able to get out for a long time, if they will get out at all.
  7. Guard foreman
    Guard foreman 24 March 2012 10: 08
    +8
    In all this, the impunity of all who participated in this "overthrow" is striking. No one can say anything to the barbarians - NATO and the United States. From this, for some reason, it becomes sad and scary. There is only one desire - to arm
  8. ward
    ward 24 March 2012 10: 57
    +1
    Here is a typical case when, as a result of the struggle for peace, there was no stone left from the world ...
  9. cumastra
    cumastra 24 March 2012 12: 01
    +8
    In Libya, more precisely in the place where Libya used to be, anarchist associations arose. They cannot be called states. Analog - Somalia, who has a machine gun, he is right. Someone from the top (the local elite) is now catching fat fish with his hands. and they do not care about the Libyan people and the state. They will sell everything and everyone, just to fill their pocket. Just like ours in the 90s. Only our state survived. Common people were afraid to bomb Russia - what if some General comes across, for whom there are things more important than peace? and press the red button. Any country that does not have Yao is doomed to intervention. unless it substitutes for ... NATO members. So arm is the only way to keep our peace. Surprisingly, so many years have passed, and "if you want peace, prepare for war" is the main truth.
  10. PSih2097
    PSih2097 24 March 2012 12: 46
    +9
    In my opinion, the main reason was not oil, but Gaddafi’s desire to switch to the gold standard, completely abandoning the dollar as the world currency for payments between countries ...
    1. GRIGORIY1957
      GRIGORIY1957 25 March 2012 02: 10
      -2
      Quote: PSih2097

      In my opinion, the main reason was not oil, but Gaddafi’s desire to switch to the gold standard, completely abandoning the dollar as the world currency for payments between countries ...

      IN AGREEMENT I AGREE, BUT THE QUESTION IS DISPUTE ... what
  11. Kibl
    Kibl 24 March 2012 13: 33
    +8
    HUMANITY HIMSELVES HIMSELF WITH A SHOVEL UNDER THE NAME OF "DEMOCRACY."
  12. grizzlir
    grizzlir 24 March 2012 13: 46
    +4
    If you really look at what is happening now in the former Libya, it turns out that there is no country like Libya now. There is the territory of the former Socialist Libyan Jimahiriya, there is a transitional government or national council recognized by the West, there are people who survive as best they can, there are tens or hundreds of armed units that are subordinate to their commanders, who in turn are subordinate to no one. There is also an oil industry controlled by the West. But there is no state as such and there are no signs that it will appear soon either.
    1. GRIGORIY1957
      GRIGORIY1957 25 March 2012 02: 13
      0
      Quote: grizzlir

      If you look really at what is happening now in the former Libya, it turns out that there is no country like Libya now.
      There is a territory of the former Socialist Libyan Jimahiriya, there is a transitional government recognized by the West

      RECOGNIZED NOT ONLY WEST, BUT AND RUSSIA ... sad
  13. Patos89
    Patos89 24 March 2012 14: 19
    +6
    The United States simply does everything to remain the only strong state. It is a shame that the Russian government did not intervene. The USSR would help Libya
  14. Volkhov
    Volkhov 24 March 2012 14: 27
    0
    On "For Gaddafi" there is a record from March with Muammar - that is, he is somewhat livelier than in Western advertisements. Of course, there is a possibility of a fake, but so far all fakes came from the West, and trying to deceive fellow countrymen who know him is strange.
    My early assumptions that he was sitting on the ZKP, which is harder to take than Sirte, seem to have come true. So when attacking Syria, something will happen in Libya, especially since its receivers from the PNS got the majority.
    1. Volkhov
      Volkhov 24 March 2012 17: 18
      0
      In the photo for the article, a landscape of a valuable geological structure - plateaus from light exposure. May become "Masada" for Libyans when he grows up.
  15. predator
    predator 24 March 2012 14: 40
    10
    Now the Libyans scratch their turnips and think what they did, and how fun it was a year ago, they drove around the country in jeeps and pickups (costing 30-40 thousand bucks) and fired automatic machines and heavy machine guns into white light, like a penny now there is nothing, no work, no salary, no social. And Gaddafi is not there either.
  16. mib1982
    mib1982 24 March 2012 14: 45
    11
    I feel sorry for people. How many innocent innocent civilians, children died and nobody cares. In Europe, Islamists if they shoot three people, this is a world-wide tragedy, and in Libya thousands of adults and children will die due to NATO and US forces, this is considered the norm. The richest country in the world has become a beggar and everyone around is happy that the dictator was killed. Yes, the rulers of Europe and the USA, these robbers, fascists are not worth it so that Gaddafi wiped his feet in them, otherwise it will get dirty. This great man over the years of government has made Libya the richest country in the world. ETERNAL MEMORY OF THE GREAT MAN. And for the atrocities in Libya, Fascist America and NATO will still be responsible.
  17. ISRAEL
    ISRAEL 24 March 2012 16: 07
    +5
    I feel sorry for people. Gaddafi would be better.
    1. core
      core 24 March 2012 17: 10
      +5
      why feel sorry for those who betrayed their fatherland. Libyans got everything they deserve.
  18. Salavat
    Salavat 24 March 2012 16: 29
    +3
    Interestingly, the "rebels" themselves realized that they were simply thrown?
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 24 March 2012 22: 07
      +2
      judging by the opposition’s elevators, they decided that they would be new rockefellers, their problem is that the same rockefellers have already grabbed their oil fields, both with towers and without ...
    2. GRIGORIY1957
      GRIGORIY1957 25 March 2012 02: 17
      0
      Quote: Salavat

      Interestingly, the "rebels" themselves realized that they were simply thrown?

      HOW THERE WERE US IN 91, AND WOULD LIKE THROWING AT THE CURRENT ELECTIONS ...
  19. Sasha36543
    Sasha36543 24 March 2012 18: 34
    -3
    What do you care about Libya. You need to think about your country. We just lost a lot in the 90s with the collapse of the USSR. And what did the Libyans care about us?

    And now the situation in Libya is to some extent beneficial to all oil-producing countries. Libyan oil production fell, the price rose. Russia receives additional billions. And let Libya take care of itself.
    1. ward
      ward 24 March 2012 19: 01
      -3
      Sasha, you may be right ... there is an opinion that this is one of the most successful operations of our special services ... and oil prices have risen .. and Europe has been dropped .. and weapons with a bang ... all in all around in chocolate ... hold plus for strategic thinking ...
    2. GRIGORIY1957
      GRIGORIY1957 25 March 2012 02: 21
      -1
      Quote: Sasha36543
      And now the situation in Libya is to some extent beneficial to all oil-producing countries. Libyan oil production fell, the price rose. Russia receives additional billions. And let Libya take care of itself.

      WHEN USERS WILL BEGIN TO TAKE OIL FROM THERE FOR PRICES, THE PRICE WILL DROP ...

      WITH ALL THE LIABLE CONSEQUENCES FOR ALL OIL-PRODUCING COUNTRIES ...
      1. Uralm
        Uralm 25 March 2012 19: 38
        0
        GRIGORIY1957
        There is not as much oil in Libya as some think. (the largest field Serir. residual recoverable reserves of 500 million tons of oil) Explored reserves as in a couple of large fields in Russia. in less than one field in Iran (for example, the Agajari field, reserves of 1.9 billion tons of oil and 400 billion cubic meters of gas). But temporarily it will do for the "democrats". And their plan was built on this
        For comparison, only in the Junin-1 block Venezuela oil reserves of 6 billion tons.
      2. Sasha36543
        Sasha36543 28 March 2012 23: 44
        0
        Life is a struggle. We will see what happens next. And for the Libyans, their golden age is over.
  20. ward
    ward 24 March 2012 19: 19
    0
    Well, if you don’t agree, tell me ... I’m interested in your opinion ...
  21. vezunchik
    vezunchik 24 March 2012 20: 06
    +6
    We have all the regimes that began to rush between the west and the east. But the colonel is a hero, like Salvador Allende, he went down in history, protecting his country and his people to the end. Unlike Judas the hunchback and with comrades ...
    1. GRIGORIY1957
      GRIGORIY1957 25 March 2012 02: 25
      -1
      Quote: vezunchik

      We have all the regimes that began to rush between the west and the east. But the colonel is a hero, like Salvador Allende, he went down in history, protecting his country and his people to the end. Unlike Judas the hunchback and with comrades ...

      I AGREE PARTLY ...

      S. ALENDE, AT ALL NOT FROM A SERIES OF HEROES, Rather, YOU CAN BECOME A KIND OF PINOCHES, HE RAISED THE COUNTRY AND LIFE LEVEL IN IT IN 10K OF THE DEVELOPED COUNTRIES OF THE WORLD, WITH MORE THAN FROM HUNDRED POSITIONS ...
  22. suharev - 52
    suharev - 52 24 March 2012 21: 04
    +1
    Gentlemen! Not everything in this world is measured in bubble. You should always remember that there are concepts such as: honor, conscience, loyalty, decency, a sense of duty and much more, which distinguishes a real person from a baboon. And they are currently trying to reduce us to the level of herbivores, so that our interests do not extend beyond a full belly and the satisfaction of the most primitive instincts. All this world elite is asleep and sees how Russia has laid down at their feet. Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya ... ... the war is creeping closer and closer to our borders, but at this stage no one will touch us. What for? Raw materials are supplied uninterruptedly, the proceeds work abroad for the benefit of their economies, the "Russians" are happily dying freeing up living space. So, gentlemen, everything is going according to the plan of the "rulers of the world." Sincerely.
    1. olegyurjewitch
      olegyurjewitch 25 March 2012 01: 52
      -1
      Quote: suharev - 52
      Lord! Not everything in this world is measured in the dough. You always need to remember that there are such concepts as: honor, conscience, loyalty, decency, sense of duty and much more, which distinguishes a real person from a baboon.

      DEAR, ALL THESE CONCEPTS ARE PRESENT TO US, BUT IN NO EVENT FOR THOSE WHO ARE CLOSE AND CLOSE, THOSE FOR WHICH A PERSON IS DETERMINED AS AN EQUIVALENT OF VALUE IN DOLLARS.
  23. Magadan
    Magadan 24 March 2012 23: 14
    +1
    Quote: Kremlin
    A war is being waged against Russia. This is an undeclared information war in which hundreds and thousands of people, agencies and organizations are participating. Using the imperfection and backwardness of Russian legislation, multimillion-dollar budgets are allocated through foreign funds to finance activities directed against Russia

    DON'T BE AFRAID OF THAT! Do you yourself really believe that a revolution for the "ideals of crap" is possible in Russia? These Funds do not pose any threat to Russia. Well, I don't see our people marching behind Navalny.
    For me - so they’ll be high and they’ll sponsor themselves. You look at least one of our bureaucrats-scum will help to rot, so for the sake of advertising how everything is bad in Russia. And up there they will think.
    Guys, the only thing that brings our bureaucratic scum to life is, oddly enough, the Western press. Well, let this press work and let these Funds help. Our main enemy is not some sobchak paid in bulk with Ksyusha, our main enemy: this is an official, a Satanist judge, a sadist mestira, and other evil spirits. You better collect signatures against this scum. Here they will definitely bring the people to revolution
  24. Odinplys
    Odinplys 24 March 2012 23: 57
    +1
    Horde (1) RU Today, 12:55 PM
    - 10 +
    We walk around the bush, one has only to stop shyly passing by the real problem, but to look closely and everything becomes clear, everything falls into place. For a long period of time, the end of the nineteenth century, the twentieth century, the beginning of the twenty-first Russia is under the influence of someone else, culture absolutely alien to the Russian-Slavic spirit. This commercial, unprincipled, immoral culture is implanted in our life inexorably and consistently. The media are almost completely occupied by them, you rarely see a Russian face on the screen. Over the twentieth century, we have already forgotten, and in some areas of culture did not even have our own Russian culture, what seems to be ours in fact is theirs is not ours.
    Political posts in the country are entirely occupied by them, they proclaim the fight against corruption, but their name is corruption. These are Jews.

    In all countries where Jews settled in large numbers, they lowered their moral standard, commercial honesty, isolate themselves and are not amenable to assimilation. They ridiculed and tried to undermine the Christian religion. They established a state in the state and, in case of opposition to them, seek to mortally strangle the country financially. If we, through the Constitution, do not exclude them / from the United States /, then in less than two hundred years they will rush in large numbers, gain the upper hand, swallow the country and change the form of our government. If you do not exclude them, then in less than two hundred years our descendants will work in their fields to provide them with food, while the Jews will rub their hands in money-changing offices. I warn you, gentlemen, that if you do not exclude the Jews forever, your children will curse you in your graves.

    BENJAMIN FRANKLIN / 1706-1790 / American physicist and politician. From a speech in the discussion of the US Constitution in 1787

    + + + 100
    The solution to the world problem
    1. GRIGORIY1957
      GRIGORIY1957 25 March 2012 02: 29
      -1
      Quote: OdinPlys
      BENJAMIN FRANKLIN / 1706-1790 / American physicist and politician. From a speech in the discussion of the US Constitution in 1787

      WHY REPEAT ONE AND THE SAME POST ...?
  25. mib1982
    mib1982 24 March 2012 23: 58
    +3
    Who still does not believe in democracy? We will definitely come. fool
  26. Konsdneprovsky
    Konsdneprovsky 25 March 2012 01: 17
    +3
    teves
    One of the greats said (I don’t understand who, in my opinion, Bismarck): “You have to play honestly with Russia, or not play at all”
    So the Anglo-Saxons play dishonestly, and I think they will answer soon, and they will plow for days and pay tribute (as the whole world is doing on them now - they collect tribute by means of economic fraud), or they will be destroyed !!!
    1. ward
      ward 25 March 2012 09: 58
      0
      Your words, yes to God’s ears ... plus ...
  27. Landwarrior
    Landwarrior 25 March 2012 11: 06
    0
    "It all started with a party, and now there is a commemoration ...", "Traded, had fun, counted, wept ..." .... well, stuff like that ...
    "If you wanted" democracy "- get it, don't eat it. Keep in mind - we don't accept it back under the guarantee and we don't return the money ..." am

    Why did it happen as it happened?
    Apparently, the Libyans had no "negative experience" from the revolution - after all, after Gaddafi came to power after the coup, they began to live better - so they decided - we will make another revolution - and we will live even better ... As the saying goes "The whole world of violence we we will destroy to the ground ... ", but for" and then ... "the strength was not enough, and it will not be enough, even if they really want to.
  28. patriot2
    patriot2 25 March 2012 11: 44
    -1
    Americans never make other countries democratic. Always puppets, juntas, grief for the people of this country. Amers do not need other peoples in such numbers - a minimum is sufficient for the development of minerals for Amers, the rest are at a loss. What remains of the Indians in America? Zilch, the same is waiting for others. Here are just Russia, China, Iran, India and small but proud Syria - like a bone in the throat. Of course, this list can be increased. The important thing is that you cannot maintain your sovereignty without a strong Army and Navy. After Yeltsin’s anarchy, the current development of the country should follow this path. smile
  29. ward
    ward 25 March 2012 13: 52
    +1
    I repeat and will repeat ... Democracy is a form of slave system invented by the ancient Greeks ... And if you think that you are not slaves ... Well, not a fact ...
  30. panda
    panda 25 March 2012 14: 38
    0
    Here is one thing that is not clear why you whine about Libya every day and expose the essence of the United States, and its concept of "democracy" has already happened, Gaddafi is dead, oil is seized, and any one of you went there to Libya to help the Gaddafists defeat the rebels and NATO members, after all, no one ???
  31. pinachet
    pinachet 25 March 2012 15: 48
    0
    It seems to me that they also wanted to separate us (elections, rallies)
  32. romul
    romul 25 March 2012 16: 12
    +1
    Optimis is studying English, a pessimist-Chinese, realist Kalashnikov assault rifle.
  33. sprut
    sprut 26 March 2012 18: 40
    0
    Thank God even though a treacherous wave of protests has subsided! Common sense wins!
  34. From here
    From here 28 March 2012 23: 33
    0
    people lived quietly, richly, albeit without democracy, and now fragmentation into many autonomies