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What is happening on the border of Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan?

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In the media of the countries of Central Asia, there are reports about the aggravation of the situation on the Kyrgyz-Kazakh border. Eyewitnesses report that since yesterday, a multi-kilometer car jam has formed at the border from the Republic of Kyrgyzstan. The State Border Service of Kyrgyzstan reported on the transition to an enhanced version of duty in connection with the upcoming presidential elections. Recall that elections in Kyrgyzstan will be held on October 15. The current president of the country, Almazbek Atambayev, under the constitution, cannot stand for them.


It is noted that the congestion was formed due to restrictions imposed on the Kazakh side. About what exactly these restrictions are not reported.

Political scientists in Kazakhstan have reported some deterioration in relations between official Astana and Bishkek. The reason, as reported by the portal EurAsiaDaily, is the meeting of the President of Kazakhstan Nursultan Nazarbayev with one of the presidential candidates of Kyrgyzstan, Omurbek Babanov, who heads the Republic-Ata-Zhurt party. Babanov served as the Kyrgyz premier in 2011-2012. The Ministry of Internal Affairs of Kyrgyzstan states that Babanov allegedly hires agitators, who for money call on citizens to vote for him in the upcoming elections. Representatives of the headquarters of Babanov called these statements the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Republic slander and filed materials with the prosecutor’s office about the need to deal with “abuse of authority by law enforcement officers.”

Against this background, in Bishkek and Astana, they say that nothing extraordinary happens at the border, and the situation will soon return to normal. Meanwhile, users of social networks post a video, in the comments to which it is stated that Kazakhstani military personnel and army equipment are being dragged to the border.

What is happening on the border of Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan?


User Facebook from Kyrgyzstan Avlanbek Dzhumabayev:
RELATED NEIGHBORS AROUND SERIOUS FORCES TO THE BORDER!

This is a video of our citizens. They took off as soon as they stopped the border yesterday morning, heading for Almaty. Taxi drivers who regularly make the Bishkek-Almaty flight also confirm the fact of strengthening at the border from their neighbors. So do not go in this direction without special need!


Recall that the current president of the Kyrgyz Republic Atambayev canceled his visit to the summit of the heads of the CIS countries in Sochi. The administration of the President of Kyrgyzstan reported on the identified facts of the preparation of mass riots in the republic.
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  1. DEPARTMENT
    DEPARTMENT 11 October 2017 18: 07
    12
    Well, wait, Kazakhstan is starting to set fire! Have a tea ...

    Well, Kazakhs hold on ...!
    If we’ll water everyone on our borders ... Let's sort it out! negative
    1. Herculesic
      Herculesic 11 October 2017 18: 15
      26
      Vitaly, but it’s possible specifically, when, who, why, and where he began to set fire to this republic, shared info. sad You live nearby, the smoke from massive fires probably covered the whole sky from the windows? ?? belay And why, in the news about this, did the silence forbid you to divulge Old? ?? am
      1. Logall
        Logall 11 October 2017 18: 36
        25
        Hercules, instead of grinding rubbish with his tongue, It would be better to follow the situation!
        This article is on this site.

        Opinions


        Military Review ● Opinion
        Independence in Kyrgyzstan failed. The United States could not shake the political situation in the republic

        April 30 2014
        Independence Square in Kyrgyzstan failed. The United States was unable to rock the political situation in the republic. Having gotten involved in the Ukrainian crisis, which obviously went wrong as Washington had expected, the United States decided to defocus Russia's attention by organizing riots in other CIS countries. One of them was Kyrgyzstan, which was vulnerable to external interference due to a weak economy, social instability, and a milder political regime compared to other countries of Central Asia.
        The National Opposition Movement “The Patriotic Forces of Kyrgyzstan”, which claims the status of a united opposition, became the strike force of the United States. A new opposition movement was created on February 12 at a meeting of leaders of opposition political parties. It includes many “professional” oppositionists - Melis Myrzakmatov, who heads the party “Uluttar Birimdigi”, Omurbek Suvanaliev, Kamchybek Tashiev, Azimbek Beknazarov, as well as the “People’s Democratic Party of Kyrgyzstan” headed by Artur Medetbekov. Many of them have successfully “fought” with the political regime in Kyrgyzstan for more than a decade. The presentation of the movement took place on February 26 - almost simultaneously with the most acute phase of the “Ukrainian revolution”, which ended with the overthrow of V. Yanukovich.
        Now, there, too, not everything is calm!
        1. Herculesic
          Herculesic 11 October 2017 18: 58
          +8
          Logall, he's Alexander! hi I do not pray nonsense, I just ask to be objective, and not unfounded! !! hi
          1. Logall
            Logall 11 October 2017 19: 12
            16
            Quote: Herkulesich
            I just ask to be objective, not unfounded! !!

            Not unfounded?
            When to wait for arson of Ukrainian diplomatic missions?
            I wouldn’t say this in your place
      2. DEPARTMENT
        DEPARTMENT 11 October 2017 20: 31
        12
        Quote: Herkulesich
        Vitaly, but it’s possible specifically, when, who, why, and where he began to set fire to this republic, shared info.

        They told me in the 90s that we live on their territory (and we have powerful plants and factories, etc.) ...
        Then I somehow drove "abroad" .. Complete devastation and desolation! Sometimes I saw Babaas grazing dead cows and skinny sheep .. Here she is FREEDOM! And huge fields overgrown with weed .. Tears in my eyes came out, from all this .. angry
        Quote: Herkulesich
        And why, in the news about this, did the silence forbid you to divulge Old?

        I remember the information from Ukraine, too, they were silent ... They say they’ll wait and calm down! And then the blood poured and began to burn. They woke up, but it was too late (they saved Crimea, we defend Donbass)
        If the devils from Syria break through into Kazakhstan (or rather Nazarbayev will die ..), then Kazakhstan will become the new ISIS ... And we are preparing for this! That's ALL things in the tank forces of Russia!
        1. Pecheneg
          Pecheneg 12 October 2017 06: 43
          0
          Well, you are a provocateur !!! What do you think we are dreaming here that ISIS would come and cut the head off?
          1. Conductor
            Conductor 12 October 2017 08: 21
            +1
            No, we dream that LN would realize its next projects. But the point is, time, and gasoline has risen in price.
      3. Normal ok
        Normal ok 11 October 2017 23: 09
        +6
        Quote: Herkulesich
        Vitaly, but it’s possible specifically, when, who, why, and where he began to set fire to this republic, shared info. sad You live nearby, the smoke from massive fires probably covered the whole sky from the windows? ?? belay And why, in the news about this, did the silence forbid you to divulge Old? ?? am

        Objectivity is not his thing. His hobby is to push slogans and comment on rumors.
      4. raw174
        raw174 12 October 2017 12: 28
        +5
        Quote: Herkulesich
        Vitaly, but it’s possible specifically, when, who, why, and where he began to set fire to this republic, shared info.

        Let me share ... I live in 50 km. from the border with Kazakhstan and has repeatedly said that the fate of Ukraine is being prepared for the Kazakhs. Ask who? The answer is - Anunaki! Those from the planet Nibiru! Which set on fire in Ukraine! The spirit of Russophobia is in the fraternal republic, even in the Kostanay region (like Donbas, in terms of the pro-Russian one) it is noticeable. The plans for the transition to the Latin alphabet and the constant presence of NATO instructors in their exercises as curators does not add optimism and all this against the background of aging and weakening of the positions of OUR Nursultan!
    2. Kasym
      Kasym 11 October 2017 18: 29
      15
      Two revolutions survived, already used. And it’s unlikely that something serious will happen there.
      Atambaev specifically delivered to the West, and apparently they decided to put another mess for him last, to carry out, so to speak.
      Just do not need to wet anyone, now we need languages. Where, what and how much - from whom will we find out ?! hi
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        1. Qazaq 1974
          Qazaq 1974 11 October 2017 19: 49
          +3
          Zinnik! Smori joke !!! We are not Ukrainians !!!
          1. vlad66
            vlad66 11 October 2017 20: 42
            13
            Quote: Qazaq 1974
            Zinnik! Smori joke !!! We are not Ukrainians !!!

            First, write words without errors, and then threaten. laughing
            1. Qazaq 1974
              Qazaq 1974 11 October 2017 20: 48
              +8
              Look, play the cutest !!!! We are not Ukrainians! (Will it go?)
              1. vlad66
                vlad66 11 October 2017 20: 55
                10
                Quote: Qazaq 1974
                (Will it go?

                Yes, it goes, of course, and the joke agrees with you. You didn’t expect this from Sergey request
              2. Setrac
                Setrac 11 October 2017 21: 01
                +5
                Quote: Qazaq 1974
                We are not Ukrainians! (Will it go?)

                Are you romanian Or gypsies?
              3. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 11 October 2017 21: 50
                +2
                Quote: Qazaq 1974
                We are not Ukrainians! (Will it go?)

                and who are you to us?
            2. Scoun
              Scoun 11 October 2017 21: 12
              +3
              Quote: vlad66
              Quote: Qazaq 1974
              Zinnik! Smori joke !!! We are not Ukrainians !!!

              First, write words without errors, and then threaten. laughing

              In general ... to point out mistakes to a person from another language group ... this is up ... stupidity.
              I am sure that in Kazakh or Hebrew, you make much less mistakes. wassat
              1. vlad66
                vlad66 11 October 2017 21: 15
                +9
                Quote: Scoun
                I am sure that in Kazakh or Hebrew, you make much less mistakes.

                To your regret, I don’t admit it at all, as alas I don’t know these languages. wink hi
          2. forester
            forester 11 October 2017 21: 39
            +1
            Quote: Qazaq 1974
            Zinnik! Smori joke !!! We are not Ukrainians !!!

            And who are you?
            Show yourself to society. Although it’s so clear, at least show me the rest of my face, gulchatai)))
        2. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 11 October 2017 21: 50
          +1
          Quote: Sith Lord
          A little cynical joke ...

          from then it will begin soldier
          1. Lord of the Sith
            Lord of the Sith 11 October 2017 23: 15
            +8
            It would be better if the USSR was returned, it is possible in a new wrapper)
            1. your1970
              your1970 15 October 2017 11: 31
              0
              Quote: Lord of the Sith
              It would be better if the USSR was returned, it is possible in a new wrapper)
              -from cemeteries do not return .....
        3. Pecheneg
          Pecheneg 12 October 2017 06: 44
          +1
          Go to ....
    3. Bronevick
      Bronevick 11 October 2017 18: 40
      +4
      Winter will not be
    4. Skeptic
      Skeptic 11 October 2017 18: 45
      25
      The department is simply tin, how many of your comments I have not read, not one I have not found evidence that adequately wrote them. The article is about elections in Kyrgyzstan, not from the Kazakh ones.
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 11 October 2017 21: 52
        +2
        Quote: SkepticCynic
        The article is about elections in Kyrgyzstan, not from the Kazakh ones.

        say thank you that he did not call everyone to battle with someone
    5. vovanpain
      vovanpain 11 October 2017 18: 47
      17
      Quote: DEPARTMENT
      Well, wait, Kazakhstan is starting to set fire! Have a tea

      But is Kazakhstan exactly? Maybe Kyrgyzstan? After all, they’ve already maidan two times there, and our base is there, it’s better to find out from eyewitnesses, and not write such nonsense
      Quote: DEPARTMENT
      If anything we will water everyone on our borders.

      You can’t get everyone on your couch. request
      1. DEPARTMENT
        DEPARTMENT 11 October 2017 19: 37
        +2
        Quote: vovanpain
        But is Kazakhstan exactly? Maybe Kyrgyzstan? After all, they’ve already maidan two times there, and our base is there, it’s better to find out from eyewitnesses, and not write such nonsense

        Vladimir (how many of you are here on the site ..)) you think in vain we have built a border (full-fledged) border on the border of Kazakhstan, where mainly steppe and locusts are with feather grass? After all, it was not at that time that they spent small budgetary funds .. There was one thick policeman for hundreds of kilometers .. On a horse a bakshish knocks down hunters and fishermen!
        They can jerk like devils through butter ... And the Kazakhs gathered there near gas and oil and tea
        they drink in yurts and skyscrapers .. Ponti alone at them and all!
        The United States will soon set fire to Asia in spite of Russia!
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 11 October 2017 21: 54
          +2
          Quote: DEPARTMENT
          Vladimir (how many of you are here on the site ..)) you think in vain we have built a border (full-fledged) border on the border of Kazakhstan, where mainly steppe and locusts are with feather grass?

          do you imagine this border? !! laughing
          Quote: DEPARTMENT
          They can jerk like devils through butter ... And the Kazakhs gathered there near gas and oil and tea

          iii ?!
          Border posts will stop ?!
          Quote: DEPARTMENT
          The United States will soon set fire to Asia in spite of Russia!

          let's drop you to them (in the USA)
          1. your1970
            your1970 15 October 2017 11: 34
            0
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            Quote: DEPARTMENT
            Vladimir (how many of you are here on the site ..)) you think in vain we have built a border (full-fledged) border on the border of Kazakhstan, where mainly steppe and locusts are with feather grass?
            do you imagine this border? !!
            - he is stupidly not in the know - that with Kazakhstan we have the longest land border in the world !! and that with the existing PS forces it cannot be blocked in principle, alas, even from a breakthrough by forces from a company
    6. Don
      Don 11 October 2017 19: 19
      +7
      Great ukrov got real competitors laughing
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    8. Kenxnumx
      Kenxnumx 11 October 2017 19: 41
      +2
      Cool grass. And what is wrong with the Kazakhs.
    9. Whaler
      Whaler 11 October 2017 20: 13
      0
      ))) Well, this shnyaga is already 6,5 years old .... he either went smarter (which is unlikely) or in a fool, this analyst wassat
    10. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 11 October 2017 21: 48
      +4
      Quote: DEPARTMENT
      Well, wait, Kazakhstan is starting to set fire! Have a tea ...

      when you post nonsense at least look at a date or something - Posted on: 3 Dec 2011
      this eBelism has been sown a hundred times and forgotten
  2. Herculesic
    Herculesic 11 October 2017 18: 08
    +8
    Rumors and gossip are not interesting to me, I want to hear from Kazakhs from the site their opinion on what is happening, and let the Kyrgyz people also state their conduct of events - thanks in advance! !!
    1. Komsomol
      Komsomol 11 October 2017 18: 10
      +8
      Then Talgat on the site, may say that ...
      1. badens1111
        badens1111 11 October 2017 18: 14
        +4
        In connection with the current situation, the head of the Kyrgyz government, Sapar Isakov, instructed to provide the citizens of the country at the checkpoint with tents, hot meals and medical care.
        Note that the situation on the Kazakh-Kyrgyz border escalated after friction between the two countries at the government level. So, on October 7, President of Kyrgyzstan Almazbek Atambayev directly accused Astana of “imposing its candidate” on local voters in the upcoming elections. In response, the Prime Minister of Kazakhstan declared Atambayev’s remarks “a lie and a provocation.”
        Ferghana International News Agency http://www.fergananews.com/news/27004
      2. Speak out
        Speak out 11 October 2017 18: 17
        +3
        In general, only here I found out this news. Although it is necessary to learn from the southerners. I live on NE.
    2. Kasym
      Kasym 11 October 2017 18: 23
      +7
      Nobody is going to intrude. The article talks about the "facts of the preparation of the riots" and the fact that Atambayev will not be able to come to Sochi. Apparently it’s not in vain that he does this, it’s his “extreme” meeting, where he could probably have approved some personal contacts and deeds ... That's all the explanations, we all know the history of the Kyrgyz unrest and revolution. Someone decided that the experience could be successfully continued. hi
      Actually, there is a large base on the border with warehouses from the Union - Otar, just between Bishkek and Alma-Ata.
      1. badens1111
        badens1111 11 October 2017 18: 29
        +5
        Quote: Kasym
        Actually, there is a large base on the border with warehouses from the Union - Otar, just between Bishkek and Alma-Ata.

        If the gentlemen got there because of the puddle, there’s no escaping blood. It’s very bad ..
        1. Kasym
          Kasym 11 October 2017 18: 45
          10
          There is nothing without attendants. Elections are a good reason to shake things up. Someone did not recognize and went. But the people are tired of these revolutions. I do not think that something serious will be. But it is clear who can become troublemakers.
          There, the people are "outraged" that the NAS met with candidates for the presidency. Maybe that's why there are some incomprehensions on the Kyrgyz side that we want to sell someone. But this is from the realm of fiction, because One of the first visits will be to Astana due to regularly allocated assistance. For this year, an additional 60 million dollars. at the laboratory for certification and verification of agricultural products. They are indignant that we do not miss such products (without a sanitary inspection), therefore, in terms of developing a common market, money went at the beginning of the year. The total amount is like 100 million .. And so, the intergovernmental commission is meeting: fuel and lubricants, flour, etc. .. At the end of the year Bishkek gathers and decides how much. hi
          1. serega.fedotov
            serega.fedotov 11 October 2017 19: 56
            +2
            I agree with the respected Kasim-the war will not be large, but the showdown can begin the election field! And the desire of Kazakhstan to strengthen the border is quite correct, it can be anything ...
            And the cries of Bishkek, most likely for internal use, are the elections!
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 11 October 2017 21: 57
              +1
              Quote: serega.fedotov
              I agree with the respected Kasym-war will not be large

              and with whom can she be? !!
              with the Kirghiz? !!!!!
              I remember when the Taliban rushed to them, they stupidly bought them off, when China openly squeezed the land, and someone was indignant at their minister, then bluntly stated that they say we had a “2,5” helicopter and we can’t protect anything
        2. stariy
          stariy 11 October 2017 18: 46
          +4
          Quote: badens1111
          blood can not be avoided

          Yes, there will be blood. Nazarbayev defying himself from God writhing !!
          1. badens1111
            badens1111 11 October 2017 21: 09
            +2
            Quote: stariy
            Yes, there will be blood. Nazarbayev defying himself from God writhing !!

            Nazarbayev’s account is more careful, he’s a state husband and doesn’t make a fool, but the fact that from the Southern State Administration, gentlemen of the Star Trek are preparing some kind of dirty trick, it’s an undeniable fact.
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 11 October 2017 21: 58
              +4
              Quote: badens1111
              At the expense of Nazarbayev more carefully, he is a state husband

              truth for the sake of more than he pockets than thinks about the state
            2. stariy
              stariy 11 October 2017 22: 31
              +2
              Quote: badens1111
              he is a state husband

              Yeah !! they told him they say my friend should be elected, so he was offended, they say do not blaspheme, I’ll block all roads. for the first time ... we see this circus here every year!
              1. badens1111
                badens1111 11 October 2017 23: 54
                +1
                Quote: stariy
                . for the first time ... we see this circus here every year!

                Well, you know better there is nothing to argue about ...
      2. Setrac
        Setrac 11 October 2017 21: 03
        +1
        Quote: Kasym
        Nobody is going to intrude.

        And who in 2013 believed that there would be a war in Ukraine?
  3. svp67
    svp67 11 October 2017 18: 16
    +5
    RELATED NEIGHBORS AROUND SERIOUS FORCES TO THE BORDER!
    "Voters" drive up ...
  4. Doliva63
    Doliva63 11 October 2017 18: 22
    +8
    Which of them is more Soviet? I am for them.
    1. samoletil18
      samoletil18 11 October 2017 18: 27
      10
      Quote: Doliva63
      Which of them is more Soviet? I am for them.

      Belarus
    2. Kenxnumx
      Kenxnumx 11 October 2017 19: 43
      +2
      The question is which of them is more feudal.
  5. samarin1969
    samarin1969 11 October 2017 18: 44
    +2
    The entry of Kyrgyzstan into Kazakhstan ... laughing
    1. Kenxnumx
      Kenxnumx 11 October 2017 23: 08
      +1
      Yeah. On the most .... Almaty.
  6. Humpty
    Humpty 11 October 2017 18: 51
    +7
    Quote: DEPARTMENT
    Kazakhstan is starting to set fire! Have a tea ...

    Quote: DEPARTMENT
    If we’ll water everyone on our borders ... Let's sort it out!

    Who do you propose to wet? Winter will not be.
    Atambayev often does not think that he is saying out loud, a well-known thing. Recently a little bit about what he thinks of Nazarbayev has been revealed. For what the Kazakh Foreign Ministry was outraged. The bottom line is that the president of Kazakhstan indirectly supported one of the candidates - Babanov. What is it, if you are interested in looking for yourself, read.
    In Kazakhstan, it seems like another psychosis has begun about Kyrgyzstan. You never know what. Indeed, Nazarbayev’s candidate is likely to have problems. A number of persons named by law enforcement agencies - supporters of Babanov are criminal elements preparing a coup, riots, in the event of a loss in the election. http://www.paruskg.info/2017/10/10//pochemu-atamba
    ev-naezzhaet-na-kazahstan
    They like to mock Kyrgyz citizens on the Kazakh border without elections. Everyone who crosses their border more than once has an opinion about Kazakhstan, mainly based on communication with their border guards and customs officers.
    1. Herculesic
      Herculesic 11 October 2017 18: 55
      +1
      Humpty hi You from me +++ and thank you! !! hi
      1. Kasym
        Kasym 11 October 2017 19: 34
        +7
        Humpty, why should the National Academy of Sciences influence the elections if any of the candidates comes to ask for help in Astana? Any! NAS can demand something in return from any of them and thus make it dependent. After all, Kazakhstan is one of the few donors.
        This is the applicants asked for a meeting (maybe I can ask for money - I have no idea), and then your note of protest about interference in the internal affairs of the country. So who has the tantrum?
        The situation may be so that it will be necessary to block the borders, if there are riots in which it is hard to believe. But ours are apparently reinsured. When your coups took place, our and other neighbors blocked the borders, because there were cases of the release of prisoners (including pure crime, which tried to take refuge abroad). Or it wasn’t so - that's why all the neighbors are now strengthening the borders. Otherwise, why would Atambayev not fly to Sochi? What he is ashamed of there - apparently at home things are not letting go. hi
        1. Humpty
          Humpty 11 October 2017 19: 48
          +2
          Quote: Kasym
          Otherwise, why would Atambayev not fly to Sochi? What he is ashamed of there - apparently at home things are not letting go.

          Exactly
          .
          Quote: Kasym
          why should NASU influence the election if any of the candidates comes to ask for this or that help in Astana? Any! NAS can demand something in return from any of them and thus make it dependent.

          Babanov in the Kremlin certainly does not shine with a warm welcome. You never know what gingerbread he brought to Astana. Or you think that without a deposit came ...
          Quote: Kasym
          When your coups took place, our and other neighbors blocked the borders, because there were cases of the release of prisoners (including pure crime, which tried to take refuge abroad).

          All right, but this is not a reason for the introduction of an economic blockade in 2010.
          I managed to hit the road to your vacation before the election and that’s good, I plan again one more time after the election. hi
    2. DEPARTMENT
      DEPARTMENT 11 October 2017 19: 57
      +4
      Quote: Humpty
      Who do you propose to wet?

      Yes, all who come to our borders (the mines here we have are missile .. and all that) ..
      Quote: Humpty
      In Kazakhstan, it seems like another psychosis has begun about Kyrgyzstan. You never know what. After all, the candidate who is profitable for Nazarbayev seems to have problems

      Nazarbayev is old and soon that .. This will begin the redistribution of property and the United States is just waiting for it ..
      And Kazakhstan has practically no Army, some show off!
      Quote: Humpty
      They like to mock Kyrgyz citizens on the Kazakh border without elections. Everyone who crosses their border more than once has an opinion about Kazakhstan, mainly based on communication with their border guards and customs officers.

      Kazakhs have long had to think about it .. But alas!
      Bays, jazz and basmachi will appear soon ....
      No wonder the Iskanders drove to the borders a long time ago .....
      I have been watching and talking for a long time and God forbid my suspicions if they come true!
      In Ukraine, the same scenario was, well, almost ..
      No offense, men, just watching and communicating with some ...
      1. Humpty
        Humpty 11 October 2017 20: 09
        +3
        Quote: DEPARTMENT
        I have been watching and talking for a long time

        Vitaly, you can adequately express yourself. I completely share your suspicions, because also
        Quote: DEPARTMENT
        No offense, men, just watching and communicating with some ...
        Reply Quote Complaint
      2. Viktor.12.71
        Viktor.12.71 12 October 2017 04: 50
        +3
        Quote: DEPARTMENT
        No wonder the Iskanders drove to the borders a long time ago .....

        Moron...
      3. Dry
        Dry 12 October 2017 10: 47
        0
        You are sometimes difficult to understand. You want to say that the Iskanders drove to beat the Kazakhs or Kazakhstan if there would be a coup?
        1. DEPARTMENT
          DEPARTMENT 12 October 2017 17: 40
          0
          Quote: Brut
          You are sometimes difficult to understand. You want to say that the Iskanders drove to beat the Kazakhs or Kazakhstan if there would be a coup?

          According to the Basmachi, if they rush to our borders ... soldier
          1. Aposlya
            Aposlya 12 October 2017 20: 55
            0
            Quote: DEPARTMENT
            According to the Basmachi, if they rush to our borders ...

            do you even imagine these basmachi? or is it all influenced by childhood movies? wink
            1. DEPARTMENT
              DEPARTMENT 12 October 2017 21: 13
              0
              Quote: Aposlya
              Quote: DEPARTMENT
              According to the Basmachi, if they rush to our borders ...

              do you even imagine these basmachi? or is it all influenced by childhood movies? wink

              Well, for now, something like this .. bully

              And then, as in the film "The White Sun of the Desert" ...))))
              1. Aposlya
                Aposlya 12 October 2017 21: 25
                0
                if it’s a basmachi, then where are their weapons? While I see only Gaster during the round-up ... wink
  7. Mar.Tirah
    Mar.Tirah 11 October 2017 18: 57
    +2
    Quote: Lord of the Sith
    A little cynical joke ...
    Russian units arrived in Kazakhstan on the teaching of "The Indestructible Brotherhood"
    I realized this is such a move against the lifting of sanctions!)) Return the Russian lands in northern Kazakhstan!

    Don’t joke like that. The Kazakhs don’t understand. I was already blown up once, they declared me a nationalist, I also got a site for not blocking my comment. Yes, and ours didn’t support it. Why do we need it, it's just as cold. And the Russians live there so that they live in Ukraine. Until they kill, and the Russian language has not been canceled. And then how fate will turn out.
  8. Zalym
    Zalym 11 October 2017 19: 20
    10
    Again paranoia. These are graters between Nazarbayev and the main Kyrgyz. He didn’t very politely rode around in our interview, accusing him of interfering in the affairs of Kyrgyzstan. And here again the State Department and the damned Obama seem to all
    1. DEPARTMENT
      DEPARTMENT 11 October 2017 20: 02
      +2
      Quote: Zalym
      Again paranoia. These are graters between Nazarbayev and the main Kyrgyz.

      We in Russia do not care for your showdown ..! We need silence in this direction ..
      If we don’t understand anything, you already got us all .. soldier
      1. Aposlya
        Aposlya 12 October 2017 08: 36
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        Quote: DEPARTMENT
        If we don’t understand anything, you already got us all ..


        Then speak for yourself! I really doubt that you will run to the draft board for a machine gun! laughing
        1. DEPARTMENT
          DEPARTMENT 12 October 2017 17: 17
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          Quote: Aposlya
          Quote: DEPARTMENT
          If we don’t understand anything, you already got us all ..


          Then speak for yourself! I really doubt that you will run to the draft board for a machine gun! laughing

          Do not be offended, I sometimes express myself sharply and many people support my opinion ..
          If we are ordered, let’s go, there’s still gunpowder in the powder magazine and we’ve seen enough of everything that can happen here too ..
          An attempt to pit peoples, a favorite scheme of some "comrades in the West and not only"
          Good luck to you Kazakhs, if we support anything .. The main thing is not to oversleep the barmalei!
          1. Aposlya
            Aposlya 12 October 2017 20: 56
            +2
            Quote: DEPARTMENT
            An attempt to pit peoples, a favorite scheme of some "comrades in the West and not only"

            Yes, you are here more for these "comrades in the West" ...
            1. DEPARTMENT
              DEPARTMENT 12 October 2017 21: 22
              0
              Quote: Aposlya
              Quote: DEPARTMENT
              An attempt to pit peoples, a favorite scheme of some "comrades in the West and not only"

              Yes, you are here more for these "comrades in the West" ...

              Alas, the "Western comrades" know your Asian psychology and constantly flatter you and praise your "great" achievements in a short time of freedom from the imperial manners of Russia ..? And I’m directly telling you that you are falling back into the feudal system under the control of Western corporations (they pump everything you can there and scoop up natural resources .. (they even quarrel with the Chinese constantly) Whose milk cow is and who will milk it ..
              Well then, better keep quiet .. hi
              1. Aposlya
                Aposlya 12 October 2017 21: 29
                0
                Quote: DEPARTMENT
                And I tell you directly that you are falling back into the feudal system under the control of Western corporations

                Actually, this applies more to the Russian economy. It is about the Russian economy that your economists such as Khazin, Zhukovsky or Potapenko say that the economy has long become feudal under the patronage of Western uncles ... hi

                Quote: DEPARTMENT
                they pump everything you can there and scoop up natural resources .. (they even swear with the Chinese constantly) Whose milk cow is this and who will milk it ..

                Have you accidentally misled our economy with yours? laughing
  9. Alex20042004
    Alex20042004 11 October 2017 19: 21
    +1
    Quote: DEPARTMENT
    Kirghiz what smokes?

    Kirghiz what smokes?
    1. Duisenbay Bankankulov
      Duisenbay Bankankulov 11 October 2017 19: 54
      +1
      Kyrgyzstan sometimes attacks the Chuy valley, and there anasha is wild ...
      1. Humpty
        Humpty 11 October 2017 20: 03
        +2
        Quote: Duysenbai Sbankulov
        Kyrgyzstan sometimes attacks the Chuy valley, and there anasha is wild ...

        Who is the Kyrgyz attacking at? The Chuy valley is almost entirely located in Kyrgyzstan, but the Chuy plan grows just on its periphery, in Kazakhstan.
    2. DEPARTMENT
      DEPARTMENT 11 October 2017 19: 59
      +2
      Quote: Alex20042004
      Quote: DEPARTMENT
      Kirghiz what smokes?

      Kirghiz what smokes?

      American marijuana ... heh heh I immediately determined ..!
  10. Qazaq 1974
    Qazaq 1974 11 October 2017 19: 48
    +2
    read the news! The Kyrgyz side has strengthened access control due to preparations for the presidential election in the Kyrgyz Republic. We have nothing to do with it, but military equipment, KamAZs go there all the time, it’s not tanks and armored personnel carriers, what kind of gain is it ?! !! What do we need ... Kyrgyzstan to win like two fingers. but why?! We are friends with the neighbors, just their president vyzhivaetsya on ours and all business. A gain .... onozh not visible! )))
  11. Nikolai Petrov
    Nikolai Petrov 11 October 2017 20: 26
    +9
    No offense, of course, to the Kazakhs and Kyrgyz, but if they tear themselves away from Russia, it will be a little brighter than Bandera’s. There are enough nerds both there and there. And the Kazakhs still live quietly thanks to Comrade. Nazarbayev. But Atambaev would like to recall his words after the election: "Hey Putin, hey Medvedev, Kyrgyzstan from Baikal to the Caspian." As if I hadn’t had to find a place, well, not in Rostov, but somewhere in Orenburg. (I hope Russia will not allow the Maidan from the "independent" Kyrgyz). Well, if something happens, the Kazakhs should not forget what the traditionally “Kazakh” names of settlements in Northern Kazakhstan and the East Kazakhstan region of the Republic of Kazakhstan are Andreevka, Sergeevka, Ust-Kamenogorsk, Yazovoye and so on, and Alma-Ata itself is the Cossack fortress Verny. So do not, while the brothers play with fire.
    1. 32363
      32363 12 October 2017 02: 44
      +2
      Quote: Nikolai Petrov
      Well, if something happens, the Kazakhs should not forget what the traditionally “Kazakh” names of settlements in Northern Kazakhstan and the East Kazakhstan region of the Republic of Kazakhstan are Andreevka, Sergeevka, Ust-Kamenogorsk, Yazovoye and so on, and Alma-Ata itself is the Cossack fortress Verny. So do not, while the brothers play with fire.

      you live nearby, but you don’t know that, judging by recent statements by scientists of the Republic of Kazakhstan, Almaate has been found there for more than 2 thousand years, Roman aqueducts were found there, and my Tselinograd (now Astana) is 1000 years old. what
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 12 October 2017 07: 26
        +2
        Quote: 32363
        you live nearby, but don’t know that Almaate, judging by recent statements by scientists of the Republic of Kazakhstan, is more than 2 thousand years old

        Alma-Ata 150, but the fact that someone else lived there before including dinosaurs is a fact, but this only speaks of a convenient location of the city by the time Verny was built there was no city
        1. Aposlya
          Aposlya 12 October 2017 08: 42
          0
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          Alma-Ata 150, but the fact that someone else lived there before including dinosaurs is a fact, but this only speaks of a convenient location of the city by the time Verny was built there was no city

          In Almaty, as early as the 11th century, silver coins were minted. Water supply was already in the 10th century. It seems that you lived in those parts, but you don’t know a damn thing about the history of the city, and still you’re swimming in some sort of chauvinistic delirium ...

          In the notes of 1853 of Major Peremyshleysky, the man who founded the Zailiysky fortification on the site of the modern city, the spelling "Almaty" is used:
          July 24, 1853.

          Almaty
          G. Corps Commander

          With my report of July 18, No. 140, I had the honor to inform Your Excellency of crossing the river. Or…

          ... The woodland of the gorges, from where Issyk flows, made me immediately begin to survey them. Upon inspection, I moved to Talgar and, having examined its peaks, I am currently inspecting Almaty. Further, the Almaty forest in the mountains is gladdening and becoming more accessible. The choice to occupy the point should fall on Issyk or Talgar.

          - Centre. Gos. Archive of the Republic of Kazakhstan, f.3, op.1, case 7


          8 August, 1853

          Kargaly

          G. Corps Commander

          I had the honor to inform Your Excellency of my intentions to survey the peaks of Almaty. Having examined the first and second Almaty and the valley between them with engineer-lieutenant Aleksandrovsky, we found the convenience of logging, a large number of beautiful arable land rugged by irrigation ditches, pastures and hayfields, far exceeding the tracts in Issyk and Talgar, which is why Almaty was offered the place of the future settlements, moreover, through occupation of this point, all the best nomads and arable lands of Dulat will be at our fingertips. Unfortunately I can’t take this p ...

          (the end of the first sheet of the report is badly damaged and destroyed)

          - Centre. Gos. Archive of the Republic of Kazakhstan, f.3, op.1, case 7


          Is it ignorance of history or stupidity?
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 12 October 2017 09: 25
            +2
            Quote: Aposlya
            In Almaty, as early as the 11th century, silver coins were minted.

            in Alma-Ata in the 11th century nothing was minted as Alma-Ata appeared much later
            Yes, there were other settlements on this place at different times, the place is extremely convenient, but this does not mean that the settlements are culturally interconnected
            Quote: Aposlya
            Is it ignorance of history or stupidity?

            nonsense to keep the city reckoning from the date of origin of dinosaur shit found on its territory
            1. Humpty
              Humpty 12 October 2017 09: 57
              +1
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              Alma-Ata in the 11th century, nothing was minted more like Alma-Ata appeared much later
              Yes, there were other settlements on this place at different times, the place is extremely convenient, but this does not mean that the settlements are culturally interconnected

              In Bishkek, there are also traces of ancient forges, medieval coins are found, 25 years ago it was still full of ceramics. But I didn’t hear that even the most manic supporters of the “ancient history of the great people” tried to connect this with themselves and date the city to the 12th - 13th century.
              Also, the place is convenient, and who just did not live here. "Enthusiasts - archaeologists" find objects from the Mongols, Uyghurs and Chinese. Mounds, of which there are a lot, are most likely not only Saki, but also of a much later period. hi
            2. Aposlya
              Aposlya 12 October 2017 11: 14
              0
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              in Alma-Ata in the 11th century nothing was minted as Alma-Ata appeared much later


              Kazakhstani archaeologists have found further evidence that Almaty is over 1000 years old. Evidence of this is the excavation of the ancient city of Almarasan, located almost within the city.

              Excavations are underway in the foothills of Almaty. The upper layer, dating back to the medieval period, was poorly preserved - the land was plowed and planted with an apple orchard. The lower one is better preserved, archaeologists say. He was attributed to the Usun settlement of the 3rd century BC. It is even possible that it was about him at the end of the 19th century that the scientist - orientalist Bartold wrote in his writings. Recall, not so long ago coins were found dating from the 13th century, on which was the word Almaty. This gave reason to believe that the age of Almaty is more than 1000 years. Excavations in Almarasan confirm this figure.

              Dmitry VOYAKIN, HEAD OF ARCHAEOLOGICAL EXAMINATION:

              - The study is conducted by the Archaeological Expertise Organization, the largest organization in Central Asia. And now we can plunge into this ancient culture, which the inhabitants of this territory left to us, those who lived here long before the time when these coins were minted.

              The work uses the latest technology. For example, a geomagnetic scanner that allows you to look into the depths of the earth. A comprehensive study found a compactly located housing estate in which several houses stood out well. One of them is restored in all details. This is a very modern layout.
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              Kazakhstani archaeologists have found further evidence that Almaty is over 1000 years old. Evidence of this is the excavation of the ancient city of Almarasan, located almost within the city.

              Excavations are underway in the foothills of Almaty. The upper layer, dating back to the medieval period, was poorly preserved - the land was plowed and planted with an apple orchard. The lower one is better preserved, archaeologists say. He was attributed to the Usun settlement of the 3rd century BC. It is even possible that it was about him at the end of the 19th century that the scientist - orientalist Bartold wrote in his writings. Recall, not so long ago coins were found dating from the 13th century, on which was the word Almaty. This gave reason to believe that the age of Almaty is more than 1000 years. Excavations in Almarasan confirm this figure.

              Dmitry VOYAKIN, HEAD OF ARCHAEOLOGICAL EXAMINATION:

              - The study is conducted by the Archaeological Expertise Organization, the largest organization in Central Asia. And now we can plunge into this ancient culture, which the inhabitants of this territory left to us, those who lived here long before the time when these coins were minted.

              The work uses the latest technology. For example, a geomagnetic scanner that allows you to look into the depths of the earth. A comprehensive study found a compactly located housing estate in which several houses stood out well. One of them is restored in all details. This is a very modern layout.


              http://www.zakon.kz/4517538-arkheologi-podtverzhd
              ajut-almaty-bolee.html

              So what exactly is stupidity! negative
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 12 October 2017 13: 01
                +1
                Quote: Aposlya
                Kazakhstani archaeologists have found further evidence that Almaty is over 1000 years old

                Yes, not Alma-Ata, but the settlement that was at THIS PLACE BETWEEN THERE ARE NO HISTORICAL AND CULTURAL COMMUNICATIONS, IT IS NOT ONE AND THE SAME CITY
                it’s just that for some peoples the complex they so much want to look ancient that they are ready to dig out the Pacific Ocean to prove it
                1. Aposlya
                  Aposlya 12 October 2017 13: 49
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                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Yes, not Alma-Ata, but the settlement that was at THIS PLACE BETWEEN THERE ARE NO HISTORICAL AND CULTURAL COMMUNICATIONS, IT IS NOT ONE AND THE SAME CITY


                  I quote:

                  Now more about the coins found in the settlement of Almaty II.
                  In 1979, two silver coins were found on the territory of the former border school. The author of the find, a Russian orientalist and a major specialist in numismatics, V.N. Nastich, expressed a cautious assumption about the local origin of the coins and the possible existence of a mint in the XNUMXth century. in the territory of modern Almaty. But those coins were never studied and are now lost in private collections.
                  In 1990, the Moscow numismatist Koifman brought Nastich a couple of coins found in the south of Kazakhstan, the same as those found in the Almaty border school.
                  And on one of these coins V.N. Nastichik read Arabic words:
                  "Power [belongs] to Allah the One, Almighty!
                  This dirham is minted in the balad of Almaty in the year [1285-86] "

                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  it’s just that for some peoples the complex they so want to look ancient

                  That's for sure! Especially these stories about the Etruscans, who are "the same Russian"! laughing
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 12 October 2017 15: 06
                    +1
                    Quote: Aposlya
                    about the possible existence of the mint in the XIII century. in the territory of modern Almaty. But those coins were never studied and are now lost in private collections.

                    once again for the gifted, it does not dispute the existence of other settlements on the territory of modern Almaty, the question is the cultural and historical connection between them
                    1. Aposlya
                      Aposlya 12 October 2017 21: 03
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                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      it does not dispute the existence of other settlements on the territory of modern Alma-Ata

                      This settlement in the 13th century was called Almaty. Do you still need some proof or because of the principle you rest? And then - the Dulat tribe lived here from ancient times - these have been their lands since the time of the almost Uysun kingdom, i.e. BC. And Dulaty is Kazakhs or rather KAZAKI.
                      Now I hope it’s clear, or is it all going to be nonsense?
                      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 12 October 2017 21: 13
                        0
                        Quote: Aposlya
                        This settlement was called Almaty in the 13th century.

                        Yes, even Faithful
                        and the rivers were also called, so calm down and glad that you are probably a descendant of Genghis Khan
                        and in general everything came from you
  12. san4es
    san4es 11 October 2017 20: 30
    +3
    ... What is happening on the border of Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan?

    soldier
    1. DEPARTMENT
      DEPARTMENT 11 October 2017 21: 27
      +1
      In my opinion, only Russians and Belarusians conduct real exercises .. And the rest of the show-offs are thrown and the grandmothers are counted! angry
      The United States takes revenge on Kazakhstan for holding talks on Syria without them! Eh, Kazakhs, hold on and click to Russia .. hehe
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  14. kirillovleva
    kirillovleva 11 October 2017 21: 27
    +1
    Smart ancestors and the oldest on earth. But only after ukrov dug up the Black Sea ... Yesterday I got down from a palm tree (or mountain), took a banana from my ear (or from my mouth, judging by slurred speech, I didn’t eat it). A monkey.
  15. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 11 October 2017 22: 11
    +2
    DO NOT HAPPEN ANYTHING, I KNOW I CALLED!
    1. XXXIII
      XXXIII 11 October 2017 22: 47
      +2
      Quote: polkovnik manuch
      DO NOT HAPPEN ANYTHING, I KNOW I CALLED!

      Can I laugh? wassat laughing
  16. Best
    Best 11 October 2017 22: 54
    +5
    Quote: DEPARTMENT
    Quote: Humpty
    Who do you propose to wet?

    Yes, all who come to our borders (the mines here we have are missile .. and all that) ..
    Quote: Humpty
    In Kazakhstan, it seems like another psychosis has begun about Kyrgyzstan. You never know what. After all, the candidate who is profitable for Nazarbayev seems to have problems

    Nazarbayev is old and soon that .. This will begin the redistribution of property and the United States is just waiting for it ..
    And Kazakhstan has practically no Army, some show off!
    Quote: Humpty
    They like to mock Kyrgyz citizens on the Kazakh border without elections. Everyone who crosses their border more than once has an opinion about Kazakhstan, mainly based on communication with their border guards and customs officers.

    Kazakhs have long had to think about it .. But alas!
    Bays, jazz and basmachi will appear soon ....
    No wonder the Iskanders drove to the borders a long time ago .....
    I have been watching and talking for a long time and God forbid my suspicions if they come true!
    In Ukraine, the same scenario was, well, almost ..
    No offense, men, just watching and communicating with some ...


    I have long drawn attention to the fact that the "Department" of long-standing, passionate and unprincipled ill-wishers of Central Asia and Kazakhstan in particular. In any of its comments, it seeks to muddy especially Kazakhstan. Although, if we analyze, it absolutely does not have any reliable information about Kazakhstan, and therefore, in every possible way, seeks to sow only lies or by wrapping its long-obsolete knowledge acquired from grandmas in invented new wrappers. It is very indecent and even sickening to read his judgments, all the more so, petty, unfounded, or based on gossip. For him, it does not cost anything to systematically throw mud on not only the president, but the whole people of Kazakhstan. And he does it all the time. Being a jerk is not a merit, but a true image. So he appears. And let him complain to the site administrators, moderators, but to turn the site into an instrument of insulting the people, the country - this action is only a scoundrel. And the advice to the "Department": treat at least some respect for at least your age (and you are not small !!!), for people who read materials on the site and deserve at least some respect. And one more thing: you are systematically, constantly striving to kindle a fire of hostility between the peoples of the Russian Federation and Kazakhstan. It will not work out for you !!!! You do not have the level for such an occupation. And not like you tried to do this, including the well-known Solzhenitsyn, and where are his attempts now? But you do not even have his level. The people say, "Do not even fit into soles!" And ironically called "the Cook". It is impossible, unacceptable to a normal person to do this. And now you can complain, for this you are suitable, because this is your level.
    1. DEPARTMENT
      DEPARTMENT 12 October 2017 21: 37
      0
      Quote: Best
      I have long drawn attention to the fact that the "Department" of long-standing, passionate and unprincipled ill-wishers of Central Asia and Kazakhstan in particular.

      I have many friends and acquaintances of Kazakhs who are wrong ...
      Quote: Best
      Although, if we analyze, it absolutely does not have any reliable information about Kazakhstan, and therefore, in every possible way, seeks to sow only lies or by wrapping its long-obsolete knowledge received from grandmas in invented new wrappers

      I tell the truth, maybe too harshly .. And I have the information, don’t worry!
      I just don’t like talkers and pontoons, which is enough for the Kazakh comrades (about the Army and the economic situation)))
      Quote: Best
      You are systematically, constantly striving to light a fire of hostility between the peoples of the Russian Federation and Kazakhstan.

      That Israel and the United States do not like and do not adore ..! And Kazakhstan is nevertheless closer to me, although after the 90s, alas, the ardor of internationalism and the belief in "friendship of peoples" has somehow dried up .. But this does not mean that I stopped believing in a multinational and strong country!
      Quote: Best
      You tried to do this, including the notorious Solzhenitsyn

      Let this devil burn in hell .. A liar and a snitch was in the zone! They hate him in Russia ..
  17. XXXIII
    XXXIII 11 October 2017 23: 15
    +3
    What is happening on the border of Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan?

  18. Krasnyiy komissar
    Krasnyiy komissar 12 October 2017 01: 58
    +2
    Russia should not get into these showdowns, even if kneading begins with the use of armor and artifacts. Feudal societies and tribal relations have long become obsolete, so they will be dismantled. Let the strongest win in the fight, and the rest will be forced to obey him or run away.
    1. raw174
      raw174 12 October 2017 14: 00
      +2
      Quote: Krasnyiy komissar
      Russia should not go into these showdowns

      It’s debatable that they didn’t climb into Ukraine, and so what? their borders must be protected on the border of friends - neighbors ...
  19. gorenina91
    gorenina91 12 October 2017 03: 24
    +2
    - About Kazakhstan, how many years they have been talking ... -one and the same ... -But .., Nazarbayev is simply immortal and eternal ...- like the Latin ... -or Chinese characters ...
    -That the Kazakhs now have the "three whales" on which the whole of Kazakhstan rests ... -This is Nazarbayev .., Latin and hieroglyphs ...
    -Russian-speaking ...- also for a long time just completely fell under the Kazakhs ... -and also "hope" for these Kazakh "three whales" ...
    -And "in which case" it is unlikely that North Kazakhstan will be able to become a "stronghold" for Russia ... -like Crimea or Novorossia ... -too much Kazakh-speaking Kazakhs in their sovereign Kazakhstan "broke" too much ... -they are there today they don’t dare to pickle ...
    1. Aposlya
      Aposlya 12 October 2017 21: 34
      0
      what nonsense ... well, if our neighbors and allies think so, then you have already seen that everything has gone far ...
  20. Nikolai Petrov
    Nikolai Petrov 12 October 2017 05: 03
    +2
    Quote: 32363
    Quote: Nikolai Petrov
    Well, if something happens, the Kazakhs should not forget what the traditionally “Kazakh” names of settlements in Northern Kazakhstan and the East Kazakhstan region of the Republic of Kazakhstan are Andreevka, Sergeevka, Ust-Kamenogorsk, Yazovoye and so on, and Alma-Ata itself is the Cossack fortress Verny. So do not, while the brothers play with fire.

    you live nearby, but you don’t know that, judging by recent statements by scientists of the Republic of Kazakhstan, Almaate has been found there for more than 2 thousand years, Roman aqueducts were found there, and my Tselinograd (now Astana) is 1000 years old. what

    Perhaps in time immemorial there were some settlements. But it was built as Vernaya fortress. And Astana itself, this is Akmola-Akmolinsk-Tselinograd, built by the Cossacks around 20-30 of the 19th century. Something like this. Well, about the statements of all kinds of "scientists", it’s from the area of ​​a dug sea
    1. Aposlya
      Aposlya 12 October 2017 08: 46
      +1
      Enchanting nonsense! About the same as the Ukrainian digging of the seas! lol
      Why is it trifling? Before the Russians, there was no civilization on Earth at all! And it was precisely these Russians of Europeans who taught science, pants taught how to wear, factories they built, the British made an industrial revolution! The Romans were taught everything and it was the Russians who built Rome itself! laughing
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 12 October 2017 09: 30
        +3
        Quote: Aposlya
        Why is it trifling? Before the Russians, there was no civilization on Earth at all!

        there were and was a nomadic civilization in the steppe
        Quote: Aposlya
        And it was precisely these Russians of Europeans who taught science, pants taught how to wear, factories they built, the British made an industrial revolution!

        I won’t argue about the British, but the fact that there were no factories before the Russians in the steppe is a fact, by the way, there is an exhibit in the National Museum of the Republic of Kazakhstan - armor and an interesting signature there: "Kazakhs did not produce weapons but bought or obtained in battle"
        nomadic civilization gave the world a lot, but only at the initial stage, but later became a dead end branch, which history has successfully proved
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          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 12 October 2017 12: 00
            +3
            Quote: Aposlya
            Those. our tribes at Batu Rus conquered with a bare ass..y? !!!

            morning began in the village, I understand that every tenth you have a descendant of Genghis Khan, but learn to understand what you read
            and about conquest there are deepest logical inconsistencies
            Quote: Aposlya
            Kipchak Al-Farabi from Otrar wrote in the 10th century treatises on philosophy, mathematics and other sciences.

            and what have the Kazakhs to do with it? !!!
            Once again, if the Otrar in the territory of modern Kazakhstan does not mean continuity of cultures
            modern Italians by no means SIDE TO THE WELL
            and the Egyptians to the pramids
            1. Aposlya
              Aposlya 12 October 2017 13: 53
              +1
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              and what have the Kazakhs to do with it? !!!

              And what side does Prince Vladimir relate to the Russians? What side does the baptized Tatar Kuzma Minin belong to Russians?

              But Al-Farabi was from the KIPCHAK tribe, and this is a Kazakh tribe! For your information, the Kazakhs are composed of many tribes, and one of them is Kipchaks! Are you pretending to be a fool or just realizing that you are at an impasse, are you starting to grind rubbish?
        2. Aposlya
          Aposlya 12 October 2017 11: 39
          0
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          "Kazakhs did not produce weapons but bought or obtained in battle"


          I will cite an article:

          Treasury of the Kazakhstan Institute of Archeology named after A. Kh. Margulana was replenished with valuable exhibits - clay hum with a capacity of about 100 liters and the bronze and copper utensils found in it. The find is all the more valuable because it was discovered in Talhir settlement (the predecessor of the modern city of Talgar in the Almaty region). "One Hundred Wonders of the Seven Rivers", 01.12.2005/XNUMX/XNUMX
          According to experts, the find dates back to the XI-XII centuries of our era. Ancient Talhir is mentioned in the Persian geographical treatise “Khudud Al-Alem” (“Frontier of the World”), written by an unknown author in the 30th century. On the pages of this treatise, Talhir (Talhiz) is described as a major trading city on the Silk Road. The ancient settlement itself impresses with its size - about 9 hectares. The city had water supply, sewage, baths, handicraft quarters, streets were paved with cobblestones. But what now appears (XNUMX hectares) is only the most fortified part of ancient Talgar. And its suburbs, located to the north and east, are buried under modern buildings. So the inhabitants of the North-Eastern Semirechye, digging in their gardens, periodically dig out a jug, then a dish.
          “We began to clear one of the household premises of the settlement and found hum (buried in an earthen floor) (a huge clay wide-necked vessel for water),” says the chief researcher at the Institute of Archeology named after A. Kh. Margulana, Doctor of Historical Sciences Tamara Savelyeva. - It contained iron products: agricultural implements (pumpheads, pickaxes, ketmen) and household items made of bronze (dishes, bowls, jugs, lamps). For a researcher, this is a great success. For all the time of my work, we have found such treasures four to five times. We believe that this treasure was made either by merchants, or by the inhabitants of ancient Talhir themselves. Thus, homemade belongings could be prepared for repair - solder something somewhere, tin. Judging by the external state of these things, the latest version is most likely. On some dishes, for example, you can find patches, somewhere you can see cracks, and on this jug there are not enough elements of external decoration.

          For many years, domestic archaeologists have collected an extensive collection of metal objects in the excavations of ancient Talhir, but the crypt found by the expedition of T. Savelyeva this summer at the very end of the excavation is unique. Scientists upon arrival in Almaty did metallographic and other analyzes. It turned out that in the XI century Talkhir people already used wolframite, that is, "Damascus" steel.
          Not a single material in history has been shrouded in such a flair of romance and myths as Damascus steel. The metal of the famous Damascus blades had a higher carbon content than most modern steels. After skillful forging, Damascus steel acquired exceptional strength, toughness and the characteristic patterned pattern of the “Mohammed staircase”. Some prominent European scholars sought to unravel the secret of Damascus steel, but the Prototalgars knew it. Moreover, they mastered the art so masterfully that they made steel not only blades and sabers, but also quite utilitarian things - chisels, scissors.

          “The fact that it was a local production is undoubtedly,” says Tamara Vladimirovna. - This is evidenced by both the shape of the objects and the ornament (the "plant" pattern predominates), with which the masters decorated their works - measured dishes, tableware, jugs. An interesting technology for the production of this utensil. The master riveted dishes from separate "petals" with curly edges, which gave it special strength. You could even say that it was the know-how of Talhir artisans. By the way, Talgar dishes were valued in the Middle Ages and were exported.

          More often than dishes, archaeologists find locks, needles, knives, nail files, coins, which were once lost by Talhir people. There are a lot of keys, nails with which horses and horseshoes were shoeed. Talgar is almost the only place in Kazakhstan and Central Asia, where medieval iron has the best preservation. Scientists from all over the world come to get acquainted with a unique collection of medieval iron.

          Now scientists are engaged in the study of Talhir values. Everything is important for specialists: the firing temperature of ceramics, the composition of clay, the technology of metal forging, the shape of the dishes and its functional purpose. With this information, it will be possible to judge the level of development of Talhiri crafts.

          Perhaps the found treasure will reveal to scientists another secret of the ancient craftsmen.

          Alla KOLESNIKOVA
          Photo by Igor LOGVINA
          (“Arguments and Facts Kazakhstan”)
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 12 October 2017 11: 56
            +1
            Quote: Aposlya
            I will cite an article:
            Treasury of the Kazakhstan Institute of Archeology named after A. Kh. Margulan was replenished with valuable exhibits - clay hum with a capacity of about 100 liters and the bronze and copper dishes found in it

            Do you know how the production of copper and bronze differs from the production of iron?
            once again, nomadism is a dead end despite the fact that it gave a lot of inventions at the initial stage
            1. Aposlya
              Aposlya 12 October 2017 13: 55
              +1
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              Do you know how the production of copper and bronze differs from the production of iron?


              Read the article carefully! It also says about steel products from Damascus!

              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              once again, nomadism is a dead end despite the fact that it gave a lot of inventions at the initial stage

              There has never been a wandering in Kazakhstan for the sake of wandering! Brains may already include start? Not all Kazakhs wandered, but only those who were engaged in transhumance cattle breeding! Kazakhs are not gypsies ... Although to whom am I explaining this?
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 12 October 2017 18: 02
                +1
                Lord, understand what the “descendants” of Genghis Khan will read ?!
                uto rejects the presence of ancient settlements? !!!!
                NOT!!!!!
                but what side are you talking to them ?!
                1. Aposlya
                  Aposlya 12 October 2017 21: 06
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                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  but what side are you talking to them ?!

                  How is that? Kazakh tribes lived here back in those days when they were simply called by the word SAKA - Saki, Scythians, etc. Or did you think that the Kazakhs, like the Russians from Orion, flew on vimaanas, as your authors write?
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 12 October 2017 21: 16
                    +1
                    Quote: Aposlya
                    How is that? Kazakh tribes lived here back in those days when they were simply called by the word SAKA - Saki, Scythians

                    Yes Yes
                    everything came from you equator from ec batyr, and america from eric
                    all the conquerors of the world the dispute is over it makes sense to argue when you can learn something new, but it’s pointless with diggers of the “black” sea and drovers of mammoths
                    1. Aposlya
                      Aposlya 12 October 2017 21: 37
                      +1
                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      everything came from you equator from ek batyr

                      Frankly, you made yourself such a fool, giving an example (about the equator) of a joke that the Kazakhs themselves invented! laughing
                      Yes, you did not argue, but rather stupidly troll in all Kazakh topics.
                      Admit it - you Kazakhs strongly see something offended?
                      Can you tell what exactly and who specifically offended you here? Or is it just from stupid chauvinism?

                      Vladimir, reading these posts, the Kazakh youth begins to think that they are being deceived and that no Russian fuck they are brothers at all ...
                  2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 12 October 2017 21: 29
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                    Quote: Aposlya
                    when they were simply called the word SAKA - Saki, Scythians, etc.

                    only they to you no side
                    Saki IRANIAN-speaking tribes
                    in addition, the culture of Saks, especially jewelry absolutely does not intersect with the Kazakh

                    it’s just that today's “science” of Kazakhstan is trying to create a myth about the greatness of history, before the “black sea” dinosaurs have not thought of yet but you have everything ahead, you are stubborn I think you will succeed in digging up and taming the Caspian and dinosaurs
                    1. Aposlya
                      Aposlya 13 October 2017 07: 28
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                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Saki IRANIAN-speaking tribes

                      According to the Türkic-speaking of Scythians-Saks, there is their sea, but the Iranian-speaking of Scythians is not a proven thing at all and is only a theory from the late 19th, early 20th century! wink
                      Vladimir, provide at least some evidence of Iranian-speaking Scythian-Sakas - chronicle or factual in the form of a written artifact from the Scythians?
                      It is the Saki who are our ancestors. Saka is the old self-name of the Turkic tribes. By the way, like the word KAZAK, it consists of two words - Kaz and Sak, and in translation means Wandering Sak ...
  21. snegovik83
    snegovik83 12 October 2017 07: 08
    +2
    Good day to all!
    As a person temporarily residing in the Republic of Kazakhstan, I want to say that there is no smoke from tires and revolutionary lights, and the article says about Kyrgyzstan, there may be unrest in the process of elections and the division of power. Kazakhstan only takes precautionary measures, is vigilant.
    1. raw174
      raw174 12 October 2017 14: 10
      +2
      Quote: snegovik83
      I want to say that there is no smoke from tires and revolutionary lights

      Now no, but after leaving HIS? I think there will be no tires and revolution, a milder form of turning to the west is possible by bribery and promises ...
      1. Aposlya
        Aposlya 13 October 2017 22: 28
        0
        Quote: raw174
        Now no, but after leaving HIS?

        Karimov died in Uzbekistan, burned a lot of tires there? Here too ...
  22. Nikolai Petrov
    Nikolai Petrov 12 October 2017 09: 12
    +3
    Quote: Aposlya
    Enchanting nonsense! About the same as the Ukrainian digging of the seas! lol
    Why is it trifling? Before the Russians, there was no civilization on Earth at all! And it was precisely these Russians of Europeans who taught science, pants taught how to wear, factories they built, the British made an industrial revolution! The Romans were taught everything and it was the Russians who built Rome itself! laughing

    What is the nonsense? Please explain to me illiterate. We are talking about the founding of Akmolinsk then Tselinograd then Astana, Faithful then Alma-Ata. There was no letter about the times of the Roman Empire. Has the Maidan virus really reached Kazakhstan?
    1. Aposlya
      Aposlya 12 October 2017 11: 27
      0
      Quote: Nikolai Petrov
      What is the nonsense? Please explain to me illiterate.

      The fact that Akmolinsk was founded on the site of the ancient city of Akmola, from which the name Akmolinsk was taken with the addition of a Russian ending.
      Fort Verny was laid between the first and second Almaty, i.e. existing city:

      In the notes of 1853 of Major Peremyshleysky, the man who founded the Zailiysky fortification on the site of the modern city, the spelling "Almaty" is used:

      July 24, 1853.

      Almaty
      G. Corps Commander

      With my report of July 18, No. 140, I had the honor to inform Your Excellency of crossing the river. Or…

      ... The woodland of the gorges, from where Issyk flows, made me immediately begin to survey them. Upon inspection, I moved to Talgar and, having examined its peaks, I am currently inspecting Almaty. Further, the Almaty forest in the mountains is gladdening and becoming more accessible. The choice to occupy the point should fall on Issyk or Talgar.

      - Centre. Gos. Archive of the Republic of Kazakhstan, f.3, op.1, case 7
      8 August, 1853


      Kargaly

      G. Corps Commander

      I had the honor to inform Your Excellency of my intentions to survey the peaks of Almaty. Having examined the first and second Almaty and the valley between them with engineer-lieutenant Aleksandrovsky, we found the convenience of logging, a large number of beautiful arable land rugged by irrigation ditches, pastures and hayfields, far exceeding the tracts in Issyk and Talgar, which is why Almaty was offered the place of the future settlements, moreover, through occupation of this point, all the best nomads and arable lands of Dulat will be at our fingertips. Unfortunately I can’t take this p ...

      (the end of the first sheet of the report is badly damaged and destroyed)

      - Centre. Gos. Archive of the Republic of Kazakhstan, f.3, op.1, case 7


      January 23, 1857 at the fourth meeting of the Imperial Russian Geographical Society, a letter was read out by a member of P.P. Semenov.

      From the fortification of Vernago (the city of Almaty) I headed straight to the west, following 30 versts along the base of the Kungi-Alatau ridge through the rivers: Almaty, Aksai, Kesken, Chemongan, Kara-Kesten and Kesten.

      - Petersburg life. Notes by the new poet. 4th meeting of the Geographical Society //. - Literary magazine "Sovremennik". - St. Petersburg: printing house of the Main Headquarters of his Imperial Majesty for military schools, 1857. - T. 62. - P. 154.


      If Almaty had not existed before the appearance of Fort Verny, then there would have been no mention of it (Almaty) in the reports.
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 12 October 2017 11: 48
        +2
        Quote: Aposlya
        If Almaty had not existed before the appearance of Fort Verny, then there would have been no mention of it (Almaty) in the reports.

        Quote: Aposlya
        I had the honor to inform Your Excellency of my intentions to survey the peaks of Almaty

        this brothel as I understand about the roofs of skyscrapers? !!! laughing
        1. Aposlya
          Aposlya 12 October 2017 14: 04
          0
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          this brothel as I understand about the roofs of skyscrapers? !!!

          And you didn’t even know that Almaty was standing in the mountains, as it were? Nude nude ... See already and don’t know how to touch the opponent ....
      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 12 October 2017 11: 52
        +3
        Quote: Aposlya
        Fort Verny was laid between the first and second Almaty, i.e. existing city:

        well, then you quote completely
        Having examined with the engineer-lieutenant Aleksandrovsky the first and second Almaty (Bolshaya and Malaya Almatinki rivers)
        I hope how the rivers differ from the city, you know
      3. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 12 October 2017 11: 54
        0
        Quote: Aposlya
        If Almaty had not existed before the appearance of Fort Verny, then there would have been no mention of it (Almaty) in the reports.

        still existed, as the geographical position of the military fortifications was justified by slightly different considerations
        1. Aposlya
          Aposlya 12 October 2017 13: 59
          +1
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          still existed, as the geographical position of the military fortifications was justified by slightly different considerations


          Learn to think with your head, not another place!
          I repeat for the slow-witted! wink
          January 23 1857 At the fourth meeting of the Imperial Russian Geographical Society, a letter was read out by a member of P.P. Semenov.
          From the fortification of Vernago (Almaty city) I headed straight west, following 30 versts along the base of the Kungi-Alatau ridge through the rivers: Almaty, Aksai, Keskelen, Chemongan, Kara-Kesten and Kesten.


          For four years from the date of reports of Major Peremyshelsky, the city does not appear on a bare spot, as you are trying to fantasize here! lol
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 12 October 2017 18: 07
            0
            From the fortification of Vernago (the city of Almaty) I headed straight to the west, following 30 versts along the base of the Kungi-Alatau ridge through the rivers: Almaty, Aksai, Kesken, Chemongan, Kara-Kesten and Kesten.

            So what does it mean?!
            from the fort "faithful" went along the rivers, then what ?!
            Quote: Aposlya
            For four years from the date of reports of Major Peremyshelsky, the city does not appear on a bare spot, as you are trying to fantasize here!

            Have you been to Alma-Ata ?!
            the fort itself, you know the small capital of the old city ?!
            can give at least one photo of buildings before the Verne period? !!!
            the fort was built in a tactically convenient place, trade routes, mountain rivers with water, good land
            probably the territory looked not only to the Russian military but also to those tribes that lived here before
            but Alma-Ata is related to them exclusively by place but not by culture and history, a few nomad yurts along Vesnovka or Kazachka are not proud
            1. Aposlya
              Aposlya 12 October 2017 21: 08
              0
              I repeat for the stupid really: "From the fortification of Vernago (Almaty city)" ...
              No need to redirect attention to the rivers, dull in the literal sense! laughing
              Well, on the account of where I live - I, unlike you, live in Almaty and live all my life, but I don’t know where you lived ... Judging by your posts, you have only seen Almaty in short visits! laughing
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 12 October 2017 21: 18
                0
                Quote: Aposlya
                but I don’t know where you lived ... Judging by your posts, you may have seen Almaty only by assaults!

                I was born and lived for 38 years in Alma-Ata; I know what a small village is; there is a family house; I was in fort
                1. Aposlya
                  Aposlya 12 October 2017 21: 42
                  0
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  I was born and lived for 38 years in Alma-Ata; I know what a small village is; there is a family house; I was in fort


                  Were in the fort? !!! Yah?!!! Maybe describe how it looks like this "fort" ?! laughing
                2. Aposlya
                  Aposlya 13 October 2017 22: 34
                  0
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  there is a family house, was in the fort


                  So there will be a description of the fort from which you supposedly were Mr. liar ?! laughing
                  If you really lived in Almaty, you would know that after the earthquake in 1911, in general, there were no buildings left except the church and one merchant's house! And from Fort Verny in the 70s there was only a belt of the first masonry of granite stones, on which there was an ordinary hill along the road ... What the fuck were you in? On a cigarette or something? !!! And did you even live in Kazakhstan?
                  1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                    Vasilenko Vladimir 14 October 2017 08: 47
                    0
                    Quote: Aposlya
                    they would know that after the earthquake in 1911, in general, in addition to the church and one merchant's house, there were no buildings left!

                    In fact, according to the acts of the appraisal committee of 1010 houses, it’s not interesting for lovers of myths
                    1. Aposlya
                      Aposlya 14 October 2017 10: 29
                      0
                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      In fact, according to the acts of the appraisal committee of 1010 houses, it’s not interesting for lovers of myths

                      1010 houses are damaged! Reference: "houses with lighter damage to foundations, stoves and plaster - 1010". But only the church and the merchant's house remained intact!
                      And the fort itself, in which you supposedly visited, from it only the foundation has survived to this day. Have you ever appropriated the age of Methuselah to visit the fort ?! laughing
                      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 14 October 2017 11: 34
                        0
                        Quote: Aposlya
                        But only the church and the merchant's house remained intact!

                        yeah and you can give a reference to the conclusion

                        and the fact that now there is nothing left of the fortress is thanks to sovereign Kazakhstan
  23. turcom
    turcom 12 October 2017 09: 13
    +1
    For 5-6 days in the media of Kazakhstan there have been active discussions about the words of the President of Kyrgyzstan Almazbek Atambayev. 1,5 million people watched the video with the words of the head of state addressed to Nazarbayev on the YouTube channel. This video divided the Kazakhstanis in the treasure into two camps.

    Among them, most ordinary people welcome the words of the Kyrgyz president. Official Astana and state-owned media regarded Atambayev’s words as provocative. Last Saturday, President Atambayev sharply criticized Kazakhstan’s interference in the elections in Kyrgyzstan. A video with an excerpt from the speech of the Kyrgyz president in the treasury gained 2 million views in 3-1,5 days and remains the most discussed topic at the moment. The video was uploaded by the popular Kazakhstani Internet portal "Bose" under the heading "Atambayev's Epic Speech". Most Kazakhs who watched the video write in the comments that the Kyrgyz president told the truth, someone admires the Kyrgyz president, including suggestions to call him to Kazakhstan and make him president.

    Another popular Kazakhstan portal nur.kz wrote that the words of the head of state are provocative. But ordinary Internet users do not agree with this, leaving the opinion that Atambayev’s words are correct. “The enemy lavishes pleasant words, his friend bitter,” Atambayev expressed such an opinion as a friend of the Kazakh people, said some of the Kazakh Internet users.

    As for the Kazakh authorities, they stated that Atambayev’s words are based on inaccurate data and are provocative. Kazakh Prime Minister Bakyt Sagintayev stated the following:

    “Atambayev’s statement is based on the manipulation of figures, which have no basis. I believe that strong and responsible politicians cannot afford such actions. For example, all transport trade outlets of the Kyrgyz Republic and air, rail, road routes go through Kazakhstan, but we’ve never taken restrictive measures. Moreover, all these years our country has been helping the Kyrgyz people, understanding the requests of the Kyrgyz leadership, including financial assistance. We should not become a laughing stock for other peoples. "

    As the director of the Kazakhstani “Risk Assessment Group” Dosym Satpayev notes, Atambayev’s words are pre-election in nature, and are dictated by the belief that “the era of the Central Asian patriarchs is already leaving.”

    “After the death of Islam Karimov, everyone understands that Kazakhstan is next in line. And in this regard, younger politicians in Central Asia, including Atambayev, understand that sooner or later serious changes will occur in Kazakhstan, and it is still unknown what political processes can be here . Maybe in some respects even the situation will be much worse than in Kyrgyzstan, "" the expert said.

    Residents of Astana also express their opinion about the words of Atambayev:

    "Of course, such words are not worthy of the president."

    “We have corruption, Atambayev’s words are correct”

    "There are many in the world who have been in power for longer than Nazarbayev. The people have chosen him, which means there is no politics here."

    A separate discussion unfolded over Atambayev’s words that the pension in Kazakhstan is only one and a half times higher than the Kyrgyz one. In an interview with reporters, Minister of Labor and Social Development of Kazakhstan Tamara Duysenova said that "Kyrgyzstan will not be allowed to interfere in the pension issue." Following this, the news came that from January next year, pensions have been rising in Kazakhstan. This was the basis for ironic remarks in the spirit that "pensions are rising due to criticism of the Kyrgyz president."
    1. turcom
      turcom 12 October 2017 09: 16
      0
      Here is a video of the speech of Atambayev A: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_G5QrKwClc
    2. Humpty
      Humpty 12 October 2017 10: 11
      +2
      Quote: turcom
      all transport trade outlets of the Kyrgyz Republic and air, rail, road routes go through Kazakhstan, but we have never taken restrictive measures.

      Divine dew. The prime minister, right, forgot the way the Kyrgyz removed the economic blockade by “repairing the locks” when no reasonable arguments for the celestial acted.
      One person in Kazakhstan has an obsessive idea that the Kyrgyz will come and begin to teach Kazakhs how to do Ketsin.
      The power complex is a heavy thing.
      1. Aposlya
        Aposlya 13 October 2017 22: 37
        0
        Quote: Humpty
        God's dew.

        Yeah, especially Atambaev! By the way, the National Academy of Sciences met with both applicants, but for some reason the first Kirghiz didn’t remember about meeting the southerner, but about the northern one he immediately flushed up .... Well, Atambayev did not want his nomination, therefore he opened the mittens ...
  24. turcom
    turcom 12 October 2017 10: 49
    +2
    Quote: Humpty
    Divine dew. The prime minister, right, forgot the way the Kyrgyz removed the economic blockade by “repairing the locks” when no reasonable arguments for the celestial acted.


    Then the border was closed for 40 days, as a result, Kyrgyzstan was blockaded. The Kyrgyz authorities asked, asked, patience ran out in the end, and Kyrgyzstan announced that it would block the Kirov reservoir, after which the border was opened literally the next day. From this fact alone, one can judge who is who. Therefore, until power changes in Kazakhstan, the attitude towards Kyrgyzstan will not change. Uzbekistan is a good example of this ...
  25. Nikolai Petrov
    Nikolai Petrov 12 October 2017 12: 06
    +2
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    Quote: Aposlya
    Fort Verny was laid between the first and second Almaty, i.e. existing city:

    well, then you quote completely
    Having examined with the engineer-lieutenant Aleksandrovsky the first and second Almaty (Bolshaya and Malaya Almatinki rivers)
    I hope how the rivers differ from the city, you know

    Svidomo smack of the speech of this Kazakh "patriot". Campaign picture is clinical. In Ukraine, too, with such "historical discoveries" began.
    1. Humpty
      Humpty 12 October 2017 12: 28
      0
      Quote: Nikolai Petrov
      Svidomo smack of the speech of this Kazakh "patriot". Campaign picture is clinical. In Ukraine, too, with such "historical discoveries" began.

      There his Svidomo blossoms and smells. Forum users often draw conclusions about the mood in Kazakhstan according to the comments of several people from there who are in full adequacy, sound mind, despite the fact that their opinions vary widely. There are several simple tests for checking local Svidomo, for example, Svidomo Kazakhs will never believe in the existence of Kazakh guest workers and shtrebrehera in Kyrgyzstan, because of better earnings. In a whisper I’ll say they are from Russia.
      1. Aposlya
        Aposlya 12 October 2017 14: 03
        0
        Quote: Humpty
        for example, Svidomo Kazakhs will never believe in the existence of Kazakh guest workers and shtrebreher in Kyrgyzstan

        Can the facts provide Humpty? Which will go to impoverished Kyrgyzstan to earn money ?! laughing
        1. Humpty
          Humpty 12 October 2017 15: 11
          0
          Quote: Aposlya
          Quote: Humpty
          for example, Svidomo Kazakhs will never believe in the existence of Kazakh guest workers and shtrebreher in Kyrgyzstan

          Can the facts provide Humpty? Which will go to impoverished Kyrgyzstan to earn money ?! laughing

          And what do I dig on the Internet with me on the site work. Because in Kazakhstan they do not want to pay. We pay 50 percent more for the same work. Almost a hero of the Kazakh people, a goon and his brother pilaf cook dumb, Alma-Ata want a more decent income.
          1. Zalym
            Zalym 12 October 2017 16: 38
            0
            Well, then we have the same Gaster from Europe. :)
          2. Aposlya
            Aposlya 12 October 2017 21: 13
            0
            Humpty, you liar! So that the Kazakhs may trample on gastritis to the impoverished Kyrgyzstan, when here, right next to the house, they have in bulk work and there are not enough workers' hands? To whom you fill in - there are not enough hands at construction sites! The brigades from Kyrgyzstan and Russia were taken over, because you won’t get your own - well, there aren’t so many free people! laughing
            Well, and your "with me on the site" - a summer cottage or something else? Those. land work? I’ll tell you frankly, I have seen few Kazakhs to plow on the ground, and even more so gastril somewhere out there in a foreign land! wink
            You have our businessmen, that's for sure, but Gaster - they have money to get anywhere without going! wink
    2. Aposlya
      Aposlya 12 October 2017 14: 01
      0
      Quote: Nikolai Petrov
      Svidomo smack of the speech of this Kazakh "patriot".

      The idiocy of the same and pret denial of archival materials from this leavened patreot ...
      1. Humpty
        Humpty 12 October 2017 15: 37
        +2
        Congratulations on your test result. You passed it. Hello to Hakimych and Sadybakasovich.
        1. Ugolek
          Ugolek 12 October 2017 18: 15
          +1
          Which will go to impoverished Kyrgyzstan to earn money ?!


          Kyrgyzstan’s GDP is incomparably smaller than in Kazakhstan, BUT, if you look closely at the constituent parts filling this GDP, it will be seen that the Kyrgyz people have learned to make money without oil and gas. In Almaty, why did the giant AKHBK collapse? And now, do not the Kazakhs praise and buy cotton items sewn by the Kyrgyz, Uzbeks have grown cotton. What is written in the second word of Abai? That's it, nothing has changed ...
          1. Ugolek
            Ugolek 12 October 2017 18: 25
            +1
            And yet, crap about Almaty for a thousand years does not need to be written ....
            And do not confuse the city with the fortifications ....

            There is a wonderful work by L. Lukhtanov, “The Faithful City and the Semirechensk Region,” when this work came out, the authorities did everything so that it would not end up in the libraries. It’s understandable, thousands of photographs and documents, but they don’t have the lies that the authorities now come up with about millennium-old cities that don’t ..
            In Talgar, a forging center? But the Talkhiz excavated in Talgar during road works simply did not have time to fall asleep, as two Chinese tourists saw this barbarism and reported it to the consulate. As a result, he is on the list of protected sites of UNESCO. So this is a Chinese city ...
            1. Aposlya
              Aposlya 12 October 2017 21: 17
              0
              Quote: Ugolek
              And yet, crap about Almaty for a thousand years does not need to be written ....

              All questions to archaeologists and scientists ... you are it? No? Well then free!
          2. Aposlya
            Aposlya 12 October 2017 21: 16
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            Quote: Ugolek
            In Almaty, why did the giant AKHBK collapse?

            Why did the AZLK plant fail in Moscow, huh? Understand the economy of the 90s first, then ask stupid questions!
        2. Aposlya
          Aposlya 12 October 2017 21: 18
          0
          Quote: Humpty
          Congratulations on your test result. You passed it. Hello to Hakimych and Sadybakasovich.

          You passed it a very long time ago ... Give them your greetings! laughing
      2. DEPARTMENT
        DEPARTMENT 14 October 2017 12: 11
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        Quote: Aposlya
        Quote: Nikolai Petrov
        Svidomo smack of the speech of this Kazakh "patriot".

        The idiocy of the same and pret denial of archival materials from this leavened patreot ...

        You are right hehe .. Kazakhi is power!

        it's a joke and nothing more No offense men! lol
  26. Aposlya
    Aposlya 12 October 2017 21: 32
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    Vasilenko Vladimir, oh, there’s nothing more to say? Better calm yourself, otherwise you can see how it tears one place ...
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 14 October 2017 11: 48
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      what did you say to whom?
      you already wedge
  27. DEPARTMENT
    DEPARTMENT 12 October 2017 21: 43
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    Okay, understand the Kazakhs and Kyrgyz themselves, which of you is cooler ..
    Who offended, sorry men!
    Need to unite and urgently ..

    Good luck to everyone and have a nice weekend guys! break through ..
    1. Aposlya
      Aposlya 13 October 2017 07: 29
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      they had a good duet ...
  28. snegovik83
    snegovik83 13 October 2017 06: 47
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    Quote: raw174
    Quote: snegovik83
    I want to say that there is no smoke from tires and revolutionary lights

    Now no, but after leaving HIS? I think there will be no tires and revolution, a milder form of turning to the west is possible by bribery and promises ...

    Yes, this option cannot be ruled out either! But I hope that Nazarbayev has thoughts on this matter.
    1. Aposlya
      Aposlya 13 October 2017 07: 31
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      Quote: snegovik83
      Yes, this option cannot be ruled out either!

      It is impossible to exclude anything at all in our swinging world ....
      1. Ugolek
        Ugolek 13 October 2017 18: 30
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        All questions to archaeologists and scientists ... you are it? No? Well then free!


        First, decide whether you are with me at YOU or YOU, otherwise you are in one post, you are in another ..
        "Scientists" who found a coin? Yes, serious scientists .. oh well, the city is really 1000 years old, but there is nothing but a coin ..
        There is no AZLK, but VAZ sells Grants, Largus and Priors in the RK rather well, and the Kyrgyz sell successfully cotton items ... Catch it? Kazakhs spend money, and the Kyrgyz and the Russians replenish their GDP ... the difference is in the nuances, and so everything is fine marquise, everything is fine.
        1. Aposlya
          Aposlya 13 October 2017 22: 23
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          Quote: Ugolek
          First, decide whether you are with me at YOU or YOU, otherwise you are in one post, you are in another ..

          Is it that important for you?

          Quote: Ugolek
          "Scientists" who found a coin? Yes, serious scientists .. oh well, the city is really 1000 years old, but there is nothing but a coin ..


          Google "archeology of Almaty", maybe then at least start to know something about the history of native penates? Or are you from the category of “tourists without a flag and homeland”?

          Quote: Ugolek
          There is no AZLK, but VAZ sells Grants, Largus and Priors not bad


          Khrunichiv ALREADY is no longer there either, AZLK is also dumb, like many old giants ... VAZ is already a Renault branch, where largus, grant and prior, are given out for Russian cars, which are actually outdated European buckets, although even for an ordinary person model names are already talking ... and this is after millions of bucks poured in there? They said already - "damned place!" ...
          Kyrgyz say their GDP replenish? Are you those replenishment you think that Gaster send from the Russian Federation ?!
          Do I look at textile in Almaty with some kind of daddy? Worked at AKBK or which of the family? Googling the textile industry of KZ, maybe then you will understand that AHBK was based on cotton and silk from Uzbekistan and it wouldn’t work at all to rebuild it on our raw materials, especially since the click in the KZ was not grown at that time ... Brains in my head, that is, or can you eat it? negative
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 14 October 2017 12: 35
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            Quote: Aposlya
            then AHBK was based on cotton and silk from Uzbekistan

            + you will be surprised but in England there is no cotton at all, and to India and the United States they are much further than you are to the Uzbeks
            1. Ugolek
              Ugolek 14 October 2017 16: 26
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              Am it so important?


              my parents raised me like that, I didn’t study tea in the aul ... Hey, you, I don’t appeal to people like that ..

              Google "archeology of Almaty", maybe then at least start to know something about the history of native penates? Or are you from the category of “tourists without a flag and homeland”?


              That's when the Kazakh "archaeologists" will stop burying the Chinese Talkhiz in Talgar and explain to me where in Almaty the classical features of the ancient city were excavated, rather than shards at the fence of the ancient settlement, then I dutifully agree, and the water will go to the mill.

              Khrunichiva ALREADY is no longer there, AZLK is also dumb, like many old giants ...


              What are Kazakh cosmonauts sent to space ?, tea is not argamaki, so it’s not necessary .. Or do you want to argue about industrial potentials?

              You don’t confuse the warm with the soft, I also don’t like when the Russian shoviks start bending my brain about the great Tartaria ... So about the 1000th city, please don’t need it .. The three have unearthed and everything is clear, but about the ancient settlement. Now there is information that supposedly Moscow is more than now believed, since there was a fence there further in the text ... But this is not serious. Therefore, I will survive if Moscow is 850 years old, and Almaty is "1000" .. I do not like lies with any national sauce.
              1. Aposlya
                Aposlya 20 October 2017 09: 57
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                Quote: Ugolek
                That's when the Kazakh "archaeologists" will cease to bury the Chinese Talkhiz in Talgar

                Oh how! You are already raving! laughing The territory of Talgar has already become Chinese ?! Stop drinking!
                Quote: Ugolek
                but about the hillforts you don’t need

                There was no sewage and water supply system in the Middle Ages! And if there was, then this is not a fortification, but a city! Although in Russia and in cities there was nothing like that ... bully
            2. Aposlya
              Aposlya 20 October 2017 09: 53
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              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              You will be surprised, but in England there is no cotton at all, and to India and the United States they are much further than you are to the Uzbeks

              Comparing Kazakhstan after the collapse of the USSR with England is strong! laughing
              1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                Vasilenko Vladimir 20 October 2017 11: 34
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                you love so much
                who cares?
                you didn’t need to build a new ACBK; the plant was built and fully equipped
  29. Aposlya
    Aposlya 20 October 2017 10: 02
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    Vasilenko Vladimir,
    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
    and the fact that now there is nothing left of the fortress is thanks to sovereign Kazakhstan

    You drive! fellow Autumn syndrome or what ?!
    From the fortress still under the USSR in the 70s, only foundation stones remained, and they still stand still! Once again I was convinced that you are an ordinary brehlo! laughing
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 20 October 2017 11: 35
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      Well, you are a specialist
      1. Ugolek
        Ugolek 20 October 2017 17: 30
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        Enough to argue guys. The President of Kazakhstan congratulated the newly elected President of Kyrgyzstan and expressed confidence that there would be understanding and respect between the two countries. It is time for us to follow this wish, all the best!