What is happening on the border of Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan?

In the media of the countries of Central Asia, there are reports about the aggravation of the situation on the Kyrgyz-Kazakh border. Eyewitnesses report that since yesterday, a multi-kilometer car jam has formed at the border from the Republic of Kyrgyzstan. The State Border Service of Kyrgyzstan reported on the transition to an enhanced version of duty in connection with the upcoming presidential elections. Recall that elections in Kyrgyzstan will be held on October 15. The current president of the country, Almazbek Atambayev, under the constitution, cannot stand for them.

It is noted that the congestion was formed due to restrictions imposed on the Kazakh side. About what exactly these restrictions are not reported.

Political scientists in Kazakhstan have reported some deterioration in relations between official Astana and Bishkek. The reason, as reported by the portal EurAsiaDaily, is the meeting of the President of Kazakhstan Nursultan Nazarbayev with one of the presidential candidates of Kyrgyzstan, Omurbek Babanov, who heads the Republic-Ata-Zhurt party. Babanov served as the Kyrgyz premier in 2011-2012. The Ministry of Internal Affairs of Kyrgyzstan states that Babanov allegedly hires agitators, who for money call on citizens to vote for him in the upcoming elections. Representatives of the headquarters of Babanov called these statements the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Republic slander and filed materials with the prosecutor’s office about the need to deal with “abuse of authority by law enforcement officers.”

Against this background, in Bishkek and Astana, they say that nothing extraordinary happens at the border, and the situation will soon return to normal. Meanwhile, users of social networks post a video, in the comments to which it is stated that Kazakhstani military personnel and army equipment are being dragged to the border.

User Facebook from Kyrgyzstan Avlanbek Dzhumabayev:

RELATED NEIGHBORS AROUND SERIOUS FORCES TO THE BORDER!

This is a video of our citizens. They took off as soon as they stopped the border yesterday morning, heading for Almaty. Taxi drivers who regularly make the Bishkek-Almaty flight also confirm the fact of strengthening at the border from their neighbors. So do not go in this direction without special need!

Recall that the current president of the Kyrgyz Republic Atambayev canceled his visit to the summit of the heads of the CIS countries in Sochi. The administration of the President of Kyrgyzstan reported on the identified facts of the preparation of mass riots in the republic.

Comments

[DEPARTMENT]

Well, wait, Kazakhstan is starting to set fire! Have a tea ...

Well, Kazakhs hold on ...!
If we’ll water everyone on our borders ... Let's sort it out!

[Herculesic]

Vitaly, but it’s possible specifically, when, who, why, and where he began to set fire to this republic, shared info. You live nearby, the smoke from massive fires probably covered the whole sky from the windows? ?? And why, in the news about this, did the silence forbid you to divulge Old? ??

[Logall]

Hercules, instead of grinding rubbish with his tongue, It would be better to follow the situation!
This article is on this site.

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Military Review ● Opinion
Independence in Kyrgyzstan failed. The United States could not shake the political situation in the republic

April 30 2014
Independence Square in Kyrgyzstan failed. The United States was unable to rock the political situation in the republic. Having gotten involved in the Ukrainian crisis, which obviously went wrong as Washington had expected, the United States decided to defocus Russia's attention by organizing riots in other CIS countries. One of them was Kyrgyzstan, which was vulnerable to external interference due to a weak economy, social instability, and a milder political regime compared to other countries of Central Asia.
The National Opposition Movement “The Patriotic Forces of Kyrgyzstan”, which claims the status of a united opposition, became the strike force of the United States. A new opposition movement was created on February 12 at a meeting of leaders of opposition political parties. It includes many “professional” oppositionists - Melis Myrzakmatov, who heads the party “Uluttar Birimdigi”, Omurbek Suvanaliev, Kamchybek Tashiev, Azimbek Beknazarov, as well as the “People’s Democratic Party of Kyrgyzstan” headed by Artur Medetbekov. Many of them have successfully “fought” with the political regime in Kyrgyzstan for more than a decade. The presentation of the movement took place on February 26 - almost simultaneously with the most acute phase of the “Ukrainian revolution”, which ended with the overthrow of V. Yanukovich.
Now, there, too, not everything is calm!

[Herculesic]

Logall, he's Alexander! I do not pray nonsense, I just ask to be objective, and not unfounded! !!

[Logall]

Quote: Herkulesich

I just ask to be objective, not unfounded! !!

Not unfounded?
When to wait for arson of Ukrainian diplomatic missions?
I wouldn’t say this in your place

[DEPARTMENT]

Quote: Herkulesich

Vitaly, but it’s possible specifically, when, who, why, and where he began to set fire to this republic, shared info.

They told me in the 90s that we live on their territory (and we have powerful plants and factories, etc.) ...
Then I somehow drove "abroad" .. Complete devastation and desolation! Sometimes I saw Babaas grazing dead cows and skinny sheep .. Here she is FREEDOM! And huge fields overgrown with weed .. Tears in my eyes came out, from all this ..

Quote: Herkulesich

And why, in the news about this, did the silence forbid you to divulge Old?

I remember the information from Ukraine, too, they were silent ... They say they’ll wait and calm down! And then the blood poured and began to burn. They woke up, but it was too late (they saved Crimea, we defend Donbass)
If the devils from Syria break through into Kazakhstan (or rather Nazarbayev will die ..), then Kazakhstan will become the new ISIS ... And we are preparing for this! That's ALL things in the tank forces of Russia!

[Pecheneg]

Well, you are a provocateur !!! What do you think we are dreaming here that ISIS would come and cut the head off?

[Conductor]

No, we dream that LN would realize its next projects. But the point is, time, and gasoline has risen in price.

[Normal ok]

Quote: Herkulesich

Vitaly, but it’s possible specifically, when, who, why, and where he began to set fire to this republic, shared info. You live nearby, the smoke from massive fires probably covered the whole sky from the windows? ?? And why, in the news about this, did the silence forbid you to divulge Old? ??

Objectivity is not his thing. His hobby is to push slogans and comment on rumors.

[raw174]

Quote: Herkulesich

Vitaly, but it’s possible specifically, when, who, why, and where he began to set fire to this republic, shared info.

Let me share ... I live in 50 km. from the border with Kazakhstan and has repeatedly said that the fate of Ukraine is being prepared for the Kazakhs. Ask who? The answer is - Anunaki! Those from the planet Nibiru! Which set on fire in Ukraine! The spirit of Russophobia is in the fraternal republic, even in the Kostanay region (like Donbas, in terms of the pro-Russian one) it is noticeable. The plans for the transition to the Latin alphabet and the constant presence of NATO instructors in their exercises as curators does not add optimism and all this against the background of aging and weakening of the positions of OUR Nursultan!

[Kasym]

Two revolutions survived, already used. And it’s unlikely that something serious will happen there.
Atambaev specifically delivered to the West, and apparently they decided to put another mess for him last, to carry out, so to speak.
Just do not need to wet anyone, now we need languages. Where, what and how much - from whom will we find out ?!

[1974]

Zinnik! Smori joke !!! We are not Ukrainians !!!

[vlad66]

Quote: Qazaq 1974

Zinnik! Smori joke !!! We are not Ukrainians !!!

First, write words without errors, and then threaten.

[1974]

Look, play the cutest !!!! We are not Ukrainians! (Will it go?)

[vlad66]

Quote: Qazaq 1974

(Will it go?

Yes, it goes, of course, and the joke agrees with you. You didn’t expect this from Sergey

[Setrac]

Quote: Qazaq 1974

We are not Ukrainians! (Will it go?)

Are you romanian Or gypsies?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Qazaq 1974

We are not Ukrainians! (Will it go?)

and who are you to us?

[Scoun]

Quote: vlad66

Quote: Qazaq 1974

Zinnik! Smori joke !!! We are not Ukrainians !!!

First, write words without errors, and then threaten.

In general ... to point out mistakes to a person from another language group ... this is up ... stupidity.
I am sure that in Kazakh or Hebrew, you make much less mistakes.

[vlad66]

Quote: Scoun

I am sure that in Kazakh or Hebrew, you make much less mistakes.

To your regret, I don’t admit it at all, as alas I don’t know these languages.

[forester]

Quote: Qazaq 1974

Zinnik! Smori joke !!! We are not Ukrainians !!!

And who are you?
Show yourself to society. Although it’s so clear, at least show me the rest of my face, gulchatai)))

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Sith Lord

A little cynical joke ...

from then it will begin

[Lord of the Sith]

It would be better if the USSR was returned, it is possible in a new wrapper)

[your1970]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

It would be better if the USSR was returned, it is possible in a new wrapper)

-from cemeteries do not return .....

[Pecheneg]

Go to ....

[Bronevick]

Winter will not be

[Skeptic]

The department is simply tin, how many of your comments I have not read, not one I have not found evidence that adequately wrote them. The article is about elections in Kyrgyzstan, not from the Kazakh ones.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: SkepticCynic

The article is about elections in Kyrgyzstan, not from the Kazakh ones.

say thank you that he did not call everyone to battle with someone

[vovanpain]

Quote: DEPARTMENT

Well, wait, Kazakhstan is starting to set fire! Have a tea

But is Kazakhstan exactly? Maybe Kyrgyzstan? After all, they’ve already maidan two times there, and our base is there, it’s better to find out from eyewitnesses, and not write such nonsense

Quote: DEPARTMENT

If anything we will water everyone on our borders.

You can’t get everyone on your couch.

[DEPARTMENT]

Quote: vovanpain

But is Kazakhstan exactly? Maybe Kyrgyzstan? After all, they’ve already maidan two times there, and our base is there, it’s better to find out from eyewitnesses, and not write such nonsense

Vladimir (how many of you are here on the site ..)) you think in vain we have built a border (full-fledged) border on the border of Kazakhstan, where mainly steppe and locusts are with feather grass? After all, it was not at that time that they spent small budgetary funds .. There was one thick policeman for hundreds of kilometers .. On a horse a bakshish knocks down hunters and fishermen!
They can jerk like devils through butter ... And the Kazakhs gathered there near gas and oil and tea
they drink in yurts and skyscrapers .. Ponti alone at them and all!
The United States will soon set fire to Asia in spite of Russia!

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: DEPARTMENT

Vladimir (how many of you are here on the site ..)) you think in vain we have built a border (full-fledged) border on the border of Kazakhstan, where mainly steppe and locusts are with feather grass?

do you imagine this border? !!

Quote: DEPARTMENT

They can jerk like devils through butter ... And the Kazakhs gathered there near gas and oil and tea

iii ?!
Border posts will stop ?!

Quote: DEPARTMENT

The United States will soon set fire to Asia in spite of Russia!

let's drop you to them (in the USA)

[your1970]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

Quote: DEPARTMENT
Vladimir (how many of you are here on the site ..)) you think in vain we have built a border (full-fledged) border on the border of Kazakhstan, where mainly steppe and locusts are with feather grass?
do you imagine this border? !!

- he is stupidly not in the know - that with Kazakhstan we have the longest land border in the world !! and that with the existing PS forces it cannot be blocked in principle, alas, even from a breakthrough by forces from a company

[Don]

Great ukrov got real competitors

[Kenxnumx]

Cool grass. And what is wrong with the Kazakhs.

[Whaler]

))) Well, this shnyaga is already 6,5 years old .... he either went smarter (which is unlikely) or in a fool, this analyst

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: DEPARTMENT

Well, wait, Kazakhstan is starting to set fire! Have a tea ...

when you post nonsense at least look at a date or something - Posted on: 3 Dec 2011
this eBelism has been sown a hundred times and forgotten

[Herculesic]

Rumors and gossip are not interesting to me, I want to hear from Kazakhs from the site their opinion on what is happening, and let the Kyrgyz people also state their conduct of events - thanks in advance! !!

[Komsomol]

Then Talgat on the site, may say that ...

[badens1111]

In connection with the current situation, the head of the Kyrgyz government, Sapar Isakov, instructed to provide the citizens of the country at the checkpoint with tents, hot meals and medical care.
Note that the situation on the Kazakh-Kyrgyz border escalated after friction between the two countries at the government level. So, on October 7, President of Kyrgyzstan Almazbek Atambayev directly accused Astana of “imposing its candidate” on local voters in the upcoming elections. In response, the Prime Minister of Kazakhstan declared Atambayev’s remarks “a lie and a provocation.”
Ferghana International News Agency http://www.fergananews.com/news/27004

[Speak out]

In general, only here I found out this news. Although it is necessary to learn from the southerners. I live on NE.

[Kasym]

Nobody is going to intrude. The article talks about the "facts of the preparation of the riots" and the fact that Atambayev will not be able to come to Sochi. Apparently it’s not in vain that he does this, it’s his “extreme” meeting, where he could probably have approved some personal contacts and deeds ... That's all the explanations, we all know the history of the Kyrgyz unrest and revolution. Someone decided that the experience could be successfully continued.
Actually, there is a large base on the border with warehouses from the Union - Otar, just between Bishkek and Alma-Ata.

[badens1111]

Quote: Kasym

Actually, there is a large base on the border with warehouses from the Union - Otar, just between Bishkek and Alma-Ata.

If the gentlemen got there because of the puddle, there’s no escaping blood. It’s very bad ..

[Kasym]

There is nothing without attendants. Elections are a good reason to shake things up. Someone did not recognize and went. But the people are tired of these revolutions. I do not think that something serious will be. But it is clear who can become troublemakers.
There, the people are "outraged" that the NAS met with candidates for the presidency. Maybe that's why there are some incomprehensions on the Kyrgyz side that we want to sell someone. But this is from the realm of fiction, because One of the first visits will be to Astana due to regularly allocated assistance. For this year, an additional 60 million dollars. at the laboratory for certification and verification of agricultural products. They are indignant that we do not miss such products (without a sanitary inspection), therefore, in terms of developing a common market, money went at the beginning of the year. The total amount is like 100 million .. And so, the intergovernmental commission is meeting: fuel and lubricants, flour, etc. .. At the end of the year Bishkek gathers and decides how much.

[serega.fedotov]

I agree with the respected Kasim-the war will not be large, but the showdown can begin the election field! And the desire of Kazakhstan to strengthen the border is quite correct, it can be anything ...
And the cries of Bishkek, most likely for internal use, are the elections!

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: serega.fedotov

I agree with the respected Kasym-war will not be large

and with whom can she be? !!
with the Kirghiz? !!!!!
I remember when the Taliban rushed to them, they stupidly bought them off, when China openly squeezed the land, and someone was indignant at their minister, then bluntly stated that they say we had a “2,5” helicopter and we can’t protect anything

[stariy]

Quote: badens1111

blood can not be avoided

Yes, there will be blood. Nazarbayev defying himself from God writhing !!

[badens1111]

Quote: stariy

Yes, there will be blood. Nazarbayev defying himself from God writhing !!

Nazarbayev’s account is more careful, he’s a state husband and doesn’t make a fool, but the fact that from the Southern State Administration, gentlemen of the Star Trek are preparing some kind of dirty trick, it’s an undeniable fact.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: badens1111

At the expense of Nazarbayev more carefully, he is a state husband

truth for the sake of more than he pockets than thinks about the state

[stariy]

Quote: badens1111

he is a state husband

Yeah !! they told him they say my friend should be elected, so he was offended, they say do not blaspheme, I’ll block all roads. for the first time ... we see this circus here every year!

[badens1111]

Quote: stariy

. for the first time ... we see this circus here every year!

Well, you know better there is nothing to argue about ...

[Setrac]

Quote: Kasym

Nobody is going to intrude.

And who in 2013 believed that there would be a war in Ukraine?

[svp67]

RELATED NEIGHBORS AROUND SERIOUS FORCES TO THE BORDER!

"Voters" drive up ...

[Doliva63]

Which of them is more Soviet? I am for them.

[samoletil18]

Quote: Doliva63

Which of them is more Soviet? I am for them.

Belarus

[Kenxnumx]

The question is which of them is more feudal.

[samarin1969]

The entry of Kyrgyzstan into Kazakhstan ...

[Kenxnumx]

Yeah. On the most .... Almaty.

[Humpty]

Quote: DEPARTMENT

Kazakhstan is starting to set fire! Have a tea ...

Quote: DEPARTMENT

If we’ll water everyone on our borders ... Let's sort it out!

Who do you propose to wet? Winter will not be.
Atambayev often does not think that he is saying out loud, a well-known thing. Recently a little bit about what he thinks of Nazarbayev has been revealed. For what the Kazakh Foreign Ministry was outraged. The bottom line is that the president of Kazakhstan indirectly supported one of the candidates - Babanov. What is it, if you are interested in looking for yourself, read.
In Kazakhstan, it seems like another psychosis has begun about Kyrgyzstan. You never know what. Indeed, Nazarbayev’s candidate is likely to have problems. A number of persons named by law enforcement agencies - supporters of Babanov are criminal elements preparing a coup, riots, in the event of a loss in the election. http://www.paruskg.info/2017/10/10//pochemu-atamba
ev-naezhaet-na-kazakhstan
They like to mock Kyrgyz citizens on the Kazakh border without elections. Everyone who crosses their border more than once has an opinion about Kazakhstan, mainly based on communication with their border guards and customs officers.

[Herculesic]

Humpty You from me +++ and thank you! !!

[Kasym]

Humpty, why should the National Academy of Sciences influence the elections if any of the candidates comes to ask for help in Astana? Any! NAS can demand something in return from any of them and thus make it dependent. After all, Kazakhstan is one of the few donors.
This is the applicants asked for a meeting (maybe I can ask for money - I have no idea), and then your note of protest about interference in the internal affairs of the country. So who has the tantrum?
The situation may be so that it will be necessary to block the borders, if there are riots in which it is hard to believe. But ours are apparently reinsured. When your coups took place, our and other neighbors blocked the borders, because there were cases of the release of prisoners (including pure crime, which tried to take refuge abroad). Or it wasn’t so - that's why all the neighbors are now strengthening the borders. Otherwise, why would Atambayev not fly to Sochi? What he is ashamed of there - apparently at home things are not letting go.

[Humpty]

Quote: Kasym

Otherwise, why would Atambayev not fly to Sochi? What he is ashamed of there - apparently at home things are not letting go.

Exactly
.

Quote: Kasym

why should NASU influence the election if any of the candidates comes to ask for this or that help in Astana? Any! NAS can demand something in return from any of them and thus make it dependent.

Babanov in the Kremlin certainly does not shine with a warm welcome. You never know what gingerbread he brought to Astana. Or you think that without a deposit came ...

Quote: Kasym

When your coups took place, our and other neighbors blocked the borders, because there were cases of the release of prisoners (including pure crime, which tried to take refuge abroad).

All right, but this is not a reason for the introduction of an economic blockade in 2010.
I managed to hit the road to your vacation before the election and that’s good, I plan again one more time after the election.

[DEPARTMENT]

Quote: Humpty

Who do you propose to wet?

Yes, all who come to our borders (the mines here we have are missile .. and all that) ..

Quote: Humpty

In Kazakhstan, it seems like another psychosis has begun about Kyrgyzstan. You never know what. After all, the candidate who is profitable for Nazarbayev seems to have problems

Nazarbayev is old and soon that .. This will begin the redistribution of property and the United States is just waiting for it ..
And Kazakhstan has practically no Army, some show off!

Quote: Humpty

They like to mock Kyrgyz citizens on the Kazakh border without elections. Everyone who crosses their border more than once has an opinion about Kazakhstan, mainly based on communication with their border guards and customs officers.

Kazakhs have long had to think about it .. But alas!
Bays, jazz and basmachi will appear soon ....
No wonder the Iskanders drove to the borders a long time ago .....
I have been watching and talking for a long time and God forbid my suspicions if they come true!
In Ukraine, the same scenario was, well, almost ..
No offense, men, just watching and communicating with some ...

[Humpty]

Quote: DEPARTMENT

I have been watching and talking for a long time

Vitaly, you can adequately express yourself. I completely share your suspicions, because also

Quote: DEPARTMENT

No offense, men, just watching and communicating with some ...
Reply Quote Complaint

[Viktor.12.71]

Quote: DEPARTMENT

No wonder the Iskanders drove to the borders a long time ago .....

Moron...

[Brut]

You are sometimes difficult to understand. You want to say that the Iskanders drove to beat the Kazakhs or Kazakhstan if there would be a coup?

[DEPARTMENT]

Quote: Brut

You are sometimes difficult to understand. You want to say that the Iskanders drove to beat the Kazakhs or Kazakhstan if there would be a coup?

According to the Basmachi, if they rush to our borders ...

[Aposlya]

Quote: DEPARTMENT

According to the Basmachi, if they rush to our borders ...

do you even imagine these basmachi? or is it all influenced by childhood movies?

[DEPARTMENT]

Quote: Aposlya

Quote: DEPARTMENT

According to the Basmachi, if they rush to our borders ...

do you even imagine these basmachi? or is it all influenced by childhood movies?

Well, for now, something like this ..

And then, as in the film "The White Sun of the Desert" ...))))

[Aposlya]

if it’s a basmachi, then where are their weapons? While I see only Gaster during the round-up ...

[Mar.Tirah]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

A little cynical joke ...
Russian units arrived in Kazakhstan on the teaching of "The Indestructible Brotherhood"
I realized this is such a move against the lifting of sanctions!)) Return the Russian lands in northern Kazakhstan!

Don’t joke like that. The Kazakhs don’t understand. I was already blown up once, they declared me a nationalist, I also got a site for not blocking my comment. Yes, and ours didn’t support it. Why do we need it, it's just as cold. And the Russians live there so that they live in Ukraine. Until they kill, and the Russian language has not been canceled. And then how fate will turn out.

[Zalym]

Again paranoia. These are graters between Nazarbayev and the main Kyrgyz. He didn’t very politely rode around in our interview, accusing him of interfering in the affairs of Kyrgyzstan. And here again the State Department and the damned Obama seem to all

[DEPARTMENT]

Quote: Zalym

Again paranoia. These are graters between Nazarbayev and the main Kyrgyz.

We in Russia do not care for your showdown ..! We need silence in this direction ..
If we don’t understand anything, you already got us all ..

[Aposlya]

Quote: DEPARTMENT

If we don’t understand anything, you already got us all ..

Then speak for yourself! I really doubt that you will run to the draft board for a machine gun!

[DEPARTMENT]

Quote: Aposlya

Quote: DEPARTMENT

If we don’t understand anything, you already got us all ..

Then speak for yourself! I really doubt that you will run to the draft board for a machine gun!

Do not be offended, I sometimes express myself sharply and many people support my opinion ..
If we are ordered, let’s go, there’s still gunpowder in the powder magazine and we’ve seen enough of everything that can happen here too ..
An attempt to pit peoples, a favorite scheme of some "comrades in the West and not only"
Good luck to you Kazakhs, if we support anything .. The main thing is not to oversleep the barmalei!

[Aposlya]

Quote: DEPARTMENT

An attempt to pit peoples, a favorite scheme of some "comrades in the West and not only"

Yes, you are here more for these "comrades in the West" ...

[DEPARTMENT]

Quote: Aposlya

Quote: DEPARTMENT

An attempt to pit peoples, a favorite scheme of some "comrades in the West and not only"

Yes, you are here more for these "comrades in the West" ...

Alas, the "Western comrades" know your Asian psychology and constantly flatter you and praise your "great" achievements in a short time of freedom from the imperial manners of Russia ..? And I’m directly telling you that you are falling back into the feudal system under the control of Western corporations (they pump everything you can there and scoop up natural resources .. (they even quarrel with the Chinese constantly) Whose milk cow is and who will milk it ..
Well then, better keep quiet ..

[Aposlya]

Quote: DEPARTMENT

And I tell you directly that you are falling back into the feudal system under the control of Western corporations

Actually, this applies more to the Russian economy. It is about the Russian economy that your economists such as Khazin, Zhukovsky or Potapenko say that the economy has long become feudal under the patronage of Western uncles ...

Quote: DEPARTMENT

they pump everything you can there and scoop up natural resources .. (they even swear with the Chinese constantly) Whose milk cow is this and who will milk it ..

Have you accidentally misled our economy with yours?

[Alex20042004]

Quote: DEPARTMENT

Kirghiz what smokes?

Kirghiz what smokes?

[Duisenbay Bankankulov]

Kyrgyzstan sometimes attacks the Chuy valley, and there anasha is wild ...

[Humpty]

Quote: Duysenbai Sbankulov

Kyrgyzstan sometimes attacks the Chuy valley, and there anasha is wild ...

Who is the Kyrgyz attacking at? The Chuy valley is almost entirely located in Kyrgyzstan, but the Chuy plan grows just on its periphery, in Kazakhstan.

[DEPARTMENT]

Quote: Alex20042004

Quote: DEPARTMENT

Kirghiz what smokes?

Kirghiz what smokes?

American marijuana ... heh heh I immediately determined ..!

[1974]

read the news! The Kyrgyz side has strengthened access control due to preparations for the presidential election in the Kyrgyz Republic. We have nothing to do with it, but military equipment, KamAZs go there all the time, it’s not tanks and armored personnel carriers, what kind of gain is it ?! !! What do we need ... Kyrgyzstan to win like two fingers. but why?! We are friends with the neighbors, just their president vyzhivaetsya on ours and all business. A gain .... onozh not visible! )))

[Nikolai Petrov]

No offense, of course, to the Kazakhs and Kyrgyz, but if they tear themselves away from Russia, it will be a little brighter than Bandera’s. There are enough nerds both there and there. And the Kazakhs still live quietly thanks to Comrade. Nazarbayev. But Atambaev would like to recall his words after the election: "Hey Putin, hey Medvedev, Kyrgyzstan from Baikal to the Caspian." As if I hadn’t had to find a place, well, not in Rostov, but somewhere in Orenburg. (I hope Russia will not allow the Maidan from the "independent" Kyrgyz). Well, if something happens, the Kazakhs should not forget what the traditionally “Kazakh” names of settlements in Northern Kazakhstan and the East Kazakhstan region of the Republic of Kazakhstan are Andreevka, Sergeevka, Ust-Kamenogorsk, Yazovoye and so on, and Alma-Ata itself is the Cossack fortress Verny. So do not, while the brothers play with fire.

[32363]

Quote: Nikolai Petrov

Well, if something happens, the Kazakhs should not forget what the traditionally “Kazakh” names of settlements in Northern Kazakhstan and the East Kazakhstan region of the Republic of Kazakhstan are Andreevka, Sergeevka, Ust-Kamenogorsk, Yazovoye and so on, and Alma-Ata itself is the Cossack fortress Verny. So do not, while the brothers play with fire.

you live nearby, but you don’t know that, judging by recent statements by scientists of the Republic of Kazakhstan, Almaate has been found there for more than 2 thousand years, Roman aqueducts were found there, and my Tselinograd (now Astana) is 1000 years old.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: 32363

you live nearby, but don’t know that Almaate, judging by recent statements by scientists of the Republic of Kazakhstan, is more than 2 thousand years old

Alma-Ata 150, but the fact that someone else lived there before including dinosaurs is a fact, but this only speaks of a convenient location of the city by the time Verny was built there was no city

[Aposlya]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

Alma-Ata 150, but the fact that someone else lived there before including dinosaurs is a fact, but this only speaks of a convenient location of the city by the time Verny was built there was no city

In Almaty, as early as the 11th century, silver coins were minted. Water supply was already in the 10th century. It seems that you lived in those parts, but you don’t know a damn thing about the history of the city, and still you’re swimming in some sort of chauvinistic delirium ...

In the notes of 1853 of Major Peremyshleysky, the man who founded the Zailiysky fortification on the site of the modern city, the spelling "Almaty" is used:

July 24, 1853.

Almaty
G. Corps Commander

With my report of July 18, No. 140, I had the honor to inform Your Excellency of crossing the river. Or…

... The woodland of the gorges, from where Issyk flows, made me immediately begin to survey them. Upon inspection, I moved to Talgar and, having examined its peaks, I am currently inspecting Almaty. Further, the Almaty forest in the mountains is gladdening and becoming more accessible. The choice to occupy the point should fall on Issyk or Talgar.

- Centre. Gos. Archive of the Republic of Kazakhstan, f.3, op.1, case 7

8 August, 1853

Kargaly

G. Corps Commander

I had the honor to inform Your Excellency of my intentions to survey the peaks of Almaty. Having examined the first and second Almaty and the valley between them with engineer-lieutenant Aleksandrovsky, we found the convenience of logging, a large number of beautiful arable land rugged by irrigation ditches, pastures and hayfields, far exceeding the tracts in Issyk and Talgar, which is why Almaty was offered the place of the future settlements, moreover, through occupation of this point, all the best nomads and arable lands of Dulat will be at our fingertips. Unfortunately I can’t take this p ...

(the end of the first sheet of the report is badly damaged and destroyed)

- Centre. Gos. Archive of the Republic of Kazakhstan, f.3, op.1, case 7

Is it ignorance of history or stupidity?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Aposlya

In Almaty, as early as the 11th century, silver coins were minted.

in Alma-Ata in the 11th century nothing was minted as Alma-Ata appeared much later
Yes, there were other settlements on this place at different times, the place is extremely convenient, but this does not mean that the settlements are culturally interconnected

Quote: Aposlya

Is it ignorance of history or stupidity?

nonsense to keep the city reckoning from the date of origin of dinosaur shit found on its territory

[Humpty]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

Alma-Ata in the 11th century, nothing was minted more like Alma-Ata appeared much later
Yes, there were other settlements on this place at different times, the place is extremely convenient, but this does not mean that the settlements are culturally interconnected

In Bishkek, there are also traces of ancient forges, medieval coins are found, 25 years ago it was still full of ceramics. But I didn’t hear that even the most manic supporters of the “ancient history of the great people” tried to connect this with themselves and date the city to the 12th - 13th century.
Also, the place is convenient, and who just did not live here. "Enthusiasts - archaeologists" find objects from the Mongols, Uyghurs and Chinese. Mounds, of which there are a lot, are most likely not only Saki, but also of a much later period.

[Aposlya]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

in Alma-Ata in the 11th century nothing was minted as Alma-Ata appeared much later

Kazakhstani archaeologists have found further evidence that Almaty is over 1000 years old. Evidence of this is the excavation of the ancient city of Almarasan, located almost within the city.

Excavations are underway in the foothills of Almaty. The upper layer, dating back to the medieval period, was poorly preserved - the land was plowed and planted with an apple orchard. The lower one is better preserved, archaeologists say. He was attributed to the Usun settlement of the 3rd century BC. It is even possible that it was about him at the end of the 19th century that the scientist - orientalist Bartold wrote in his writings. Recall, not so long ago coins were found dating from the 13th century, on which was the word Almaty. This gave reason to believe that the age of Almaty is more than 1000 years. Excavations in Almarasan confirm this figure.

Dmitry VOYAKIN, HEAD OF ARCHAEOLOGICAL EXAMINATION:

- The study is conducted by the Archaeological Expertise Organization, the largest organization in Central Asia. And now we can plunge into this ancient culture, which the inhabitants of this territory left to us, those who lived here long before the time when these coins were minted.

The work uses the latest technology. For example, a geomagnetic scanner that allows you to look into the depths of the earth. A comprehensive study found a compactly located housing estate in which several houses stood out well. One of them is restored in all details. This is a very modern layout.

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

Kazakhstani archaeologists have found further evidence that Almaty is over 1000 years old. Evidence of this is the excavation of the ancient city of Almarasan, located almost within the city.

Excavations are underway in the foothills of Almaty. The upper layer, dating back to the medieval period, was poorly preserved - the land was plowed and planted with an apple orchard. The lower one is better preserved, archaeologists say. He was attributed to the Usun settlement of the 3rd century BC. It is even possible that it was about him at the end of the 19th century that the scientist - orientalist Bartold wrote in his writings. Recall, not so long ago coins were found dating from the 13th century, on which was the word Almaty. This gave reason to believe that the age of Almaty is more than 1000 years. Excavations in Almarasan confirm this figure.

Dmitry VOYAKIN, HEAD OF ARCHAEOLOGICAL EXAMINATION:

- The study is conducted by the Archaeological Expertise Organization, the largest organization in Central Asia. And now we can plunge into this ancient culture, which the inhabitants of this territory left to us, those who lived here long before the time when these coins were minted.

The work uses the latest technology. For example, a geomagnetic scanner that allows you to look into the depths of the earth. A comprehensive study found a compactly located housing estate in which several houses stood out well. One of them is restored in all details. This is a very modern layout.

http://www.zakon.kz/4517538-arkheologi-podtverzhd
ajut-almaty-bolee.html

So what exactly is stupidity!

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Aposlya

Kazakhstani archaeologists have found further evidence that Almaty is over 1000 years old

Yes, not Alma-Ata, but the settlement that was at THIS PLACE BETWEEN THERE ARE NO HISTORICAL AND CULTURAL COMMUNICATIONS, IT IS NOT ONE AND THE SAME CITY
it’s just that for some peoples the complex they so much want to look ancient that they are ready to dig out the Pacific Ocean to prove it

[Aposlya]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

Yes, not Alma-Ata, but the settlement that was at THIS PLACE BETWEEN THERE ARE NO HISTORICAL AND CULTURAL COMMUNICATIONS, IT IS NOT ONE AND THE SAME CITY

I quote:

Now more about the coins found in the settlement of Almaty II.
In 1979, two silver coins were found on the territory of the former border school. The author of the find, a Russian orientalist and a major specialist in numismatics, V.N. Nastich, expressed a cautious assumption about the local origin of the coins and the possible existence of a mint in the XNUMXth century. in the territory of modern Almaty. But those coins were never studied and are now lost in private collections.
In 1990, the Moscow numismatist Koifman brought Nastich a couple of coins found in the south of Kazakhstan, the same as those found in the Almaty border school.
And on one of these coins V.N. Nastichik read Arabic words:
"Power [belongs] to Allah the One, Almighty!
This dirham is minted in the balad of Almaty in the year [1285-86] "

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

it’s just that for some peoples the complex they so want to look ancient

That's for sure! Especially these stories about the Etruscans, who are "the same Russian"!

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Aposlya

about the possible existence of the mint in the XIII century. in the territory of modern Almaty. But those coins were never studied and are now lost in private collections.

once again for the gifted, it does not dispute the existence of other settlements on the territory of modern Almaty, the question is the cultural and historical connection between them

[Aposlya]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

it does not dispute the existence of other settlements on the territory of modern Alma-Ata

This settlement in the 13th century was called Almaty. Do you still need some proof or because of the principle you rest? And then - the Dulat tribe lived here from ancient times - these have been their lands since the time of the almost Uysun kingdom, i.e. BC. And Dulaty is Kazakhs or rather KAZAKI.
Now I hope it’s clear, or is it all going to be nonsense?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Aposlya

This settlement was called Almaty in the 13th century.

Yes, even Faithful
and the rivers were also called, so calm down and glad that you are probably a descendant of Genghis Khan
and in general everything came from you

[san4es]

... What is happening on the border of Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan?

[DEPARTMENT]

In my opinion, only Russians and Belarusians conduct real exercises .. And the rest of the show-offs are thrown and the grandmothers are counted!
The United States takes revenge on Kazakhstan for holding talks on Syria without them! Eh, Kazakhs, hold on and click to Russia .. hehe

[kirillovleva]

Smart ancestors and the oldest on earth. But only after ukrov dug up the Black Sea ... Yesterday I got down from a palm tree (or mountain), took a banana from my ear (or from my mouth, judging by slurred speech, I didn’t eat it). A monkey.

[colonel manuch]

DO NOT HAPPEN ANYTHING, I KNOW I CALLED!

[XXXIII]

Quote: polkovnik manuch

DO NOT HAPPEN ANYTHING, I KNOW I CALLED!

Can I laugh?

[Best]

Quote: DEPARTMENT

Quote: Humpty

Who do you propose to wet?

Yes, all who come to our borders (the mines here we have are missile .. and all that) ..

Quote: Humpty

In Kazakhstan, it seems like another psychosis has begun about Kyrgyzstan. You never know what. After all, the candidate who is profitable for Nazarbayev seems to have problems

Nazarbayev is old and soon that .. This will begin the redistribution of property and the United States is just waiting for it ..
And Kazakhstan has practically no Army, some show off!

Quote: Humpty

They like to mock Kyrgyz citizens on the Kazakh border without elections. Everyone who crosses their border more than once has an opinion about Kazakhstan, mainly based on communication with their border guards and customs officers.

Kazakhs have long had to think about it .. But alas!
Bays, jazz and basmachi will appear soon ....
No wonder the Iskanders drove to the borders a long time ago .....
I have been watching and talking for a long time and God forbid my suspicions if they come true!
In Ukraine, the same scenario was, well, almost ..
No offense, men, just watching and communicating with some ...

I have long drawn attention to the fact that the "Department" of long-standing, passionate and unprincipled ill-wishers of Central Asia and Kazakhstan in particular. In any of its comments, it seeks to muddy especially Kazakhstan. Although, if we analyze, it absolutely does not have any reliable information about Kazakhstan, and therefore, in every possible way, seeks to sow only lies or by wrapping its long-obsolete knowledge acquired from grandmas in invented new wrappers. It is very indecent and even sickening to read his judgments, all the more so, petty, unfounded, or based on gossip. For him, it does not cost anything to systematically throw mud on not only the president, but the whole people of Kazakhstan. And he does it all the time. Being a jerk is not a merit, but a true image. So he appears. And let him complain to the site administrators, moderators, but to turn the site into an instrument of insulting the people, the country - this action is only a scoundrel. And the advice to the "Department": treat at least some respect for at least your age (and you are not small !!!), for people who read materials on the site and deserve at least some respect. And one more thing: you are systematically, constantly striving to kindle a fire of hostility between the peoples of the Russian Federation and Kazakhstan. It will not work out for you !!!! You do not have the level for such an occupation. And not like you tried to do this, including the well-known Solzhenitsyn, and where are his attempts now? But you do not even have his level. The people say, "Do not even fit into soles!" And ironically called "the Cook". It is impossible, unacceptable to a normal person to do this. And now you can complain, for this you are suitable, because this is your level.

[DEPARTMENT]

Quote: Best

I have long drawn attention to the fact that the "Department" of long-standing, passionate and unprincipled ill-wishers of Central Asia and Kazakhstan in particular.

I have many friends and acquaintances of Kazakhs who are wrong ...

Quote: Best

Although, if we analyze, it absolutely does not have any reliable information about Kazakhstan, and therefore, in every possible way, seeks to sow only lies or by wrapping its long-obsolete knowledge received from grandmas in invented new wrappers

I tell the truth, maybe too harshly .. And I have the information, don’t worry!
I just don’t like talkers and pontoons, which is enough for the Kazakh comrades (about the Army and the economic situation)))

Quote: Best

You are systematically, constantly striving to light a fire of hostility between the peoples of the Russian Federation and Kazakhstan.

That Israel and the United States do not like and do not adore ..! And Kazakhstan is nevertheless closer to me, although after the 90s, alas, the ardor of internationalism and the belief in "friendship of peoples" has somehow dried up .. But this does not mean that I stopped believing in a multinational and strong country!

Quote: Best

You tried to do this, including the notorious Solzhenitsyn

Let this devil burn in hell .. A liar and a snitch was in the zone! They hate him in Russia ..

[XXXIII]

What is happening on the border of Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan?

[Krasnyiy komissar]

Russia should not get into these showdowns, even if kneading begins with the use of armor and artifacts. Feudal societies and tribal relations have long become obsolete, so they will be dismantled. Let the strongest win in the fight, and the rest will be forced to obey him or run away.

[raw174]

Quote: Krasnyiy komissar

Russia should not go into these showdowns

It’s debatable that they didn’t climb into Ukraine, and so what? their borders must be protected on the border of friends - neighbors ...

[gorenina91]

- About Kazakhstan, how many years they have been talking ... -one and the same ... -But .., Nazarbayev is simply immortal and eternal ...- like the Latin ... -or Chinese characters ...
-That the Kazakhs now have the "three whales" on which the whole of Kazakhstan rests ... -This is Nazarbayev .., Latin and hieroglyphs ...
-Russian-speaking ...- also for a long time just completely fell under the Kazakhs ... -and also "hope" for these Kazakh "three whales" ...
-And "in which case" it is unlikely that North Kazakhstan will be able to become a "stronghold" for Russia ... -like Crimea or Novorossia ... -too much Kazakh-speaking Kazakhs in their sovereign Kazakhstan "broke" too much ... -they are there today they don’t dare to pickle ...

[Aposlya]

what nonsense ... well, if our neighbors and allies think so, then you have already seen that everything has gone far ...

[Nikolai Petrov]

Quote: 32363

Quote: Nikolai Petrov

Well, if something happens, the Kazakhs should not forget what the traditionally “Kazakh” names of settlements in Northern Kazakhstan and the East Kazakhstan region of the Republic of Kazakhstan are Andreevka, Sergeevka, Ust-Kamenogorsk, Yazovoye and so on, and Alma-Ata itself is the Cossack fortress Verny. So do not, while the brothers play with fire.

you live nearby, but you don’t know that, judging by recent statements by scientists of the Republic of Kazakhstan, Almaate has been found there for more than 2 thousand years, Roman aqueducts were found there, and my Tselinograd (now Astana) is 1000 years old.

Perhaps in time immemorial there were some settlements. But it was built as Vernaya fortress. And Astana itself, this is Akmola-Akmolinsk-Tselinograd, built by the Cossacks around 20-30 of the 19th century. Something like this. Well, about the statements of all kinds of "scientists", it’s from the area of ​​a dug sea

[Aposlya]

Enchanting nonsense! About the same as the Ukrainian digging of the seas!
Why is it trifling? Before the Russians, there was no civilization on Earth at all! And it was precisely these Russians of Europeans who taught science, pants taught how to wear, factories they built, the British made an industrial revolution! The Romans were taught everything and it was the Russians who built Rome itself!

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Aposlya

Why is it trifling? Before the Russians, there was no civilization on Earth at all!

there were and was a nomadic civilization in the steppe

Quote: Aposlya

And it was precisely these Russians of Europeans who taught science, pants taught how to wear, factories they built, the British made an industrial revolution!

I won’t argue about the British, but the fact that there were no factories before the Russians in the steppe is a fact, by the way, there is an exhibit in the National Museum of the Republic of Kazakhstan - armor and an interesting signature there: "Kazakhs did not produce weapons but bought or obtained in battle"
nomadic civilization gave the world a lot, but only at the initial stage, but later became a dead end branch, which history has successfully proved

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Aposlya

Those. our tribes at Batu Rus conquered with a bare ass..y? !!!

morning began in the village, I understand that every tenth you have a descendant of Genghis Khan, but learn to understand what you read
and about conquest there are deepest logical inconsistencies

Quote: Aposlya

Kipchak Al-Farabi from Otrar wrote in the 10th century treatises on philosophy, mathematics and other sciences.

and what have the Kazakhs to do with it? !!!
Once again, if the Otrar in the territory of modern Kazakhstan does not mean continuity of cultures
modern Italians by no means SIDE TO THE WELL
and the Egyptians to the pramids

[Aposlya]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

and what have the Kazakhs to do with it? !!!

And what side does Prince Vladimir relate to the Russians? What side does the baptized Tatar Kuzma Minin belong to Russians?

But Al-Farabi was from the KIPCHAK tribe, and this is a Kazakh tribe! For your information, the Kazakhs are composed of many tribes, and one of them is Kipchaks! Are you pretending to be a fool or just realizing that you are at an impasse, are you starting to grind rubbish?

[Aposlya]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

"Kazakhs did not produce weapons but bought or obtained in battle"

I will cite an article:

Treasury of the Kazakhstan Institute of Archeology named after A. Kh. Margulana was replenished with valuable exhibits - clay hum with a capacity of about 100 liters and the bronze and copper utensils found in it. The find is all the more valuable because it was discovered in Talhir settlement (the predecessor of the modern city of Talgar in the Almaty region). "One Hundred Wonders of the Seven Rivers", 01.12.2005/XNUMX/XNUMX
According to experts, the find dates back to the XI-XII centuries of our era. Ancient Talhir is mentioned in the Persian geographical treatise “Khudud Al-Alem” (“Frontier of the World”), written by an unknown author in the 30th century. On the pages of this treatise, Talhir (Talhiz) is described as a major trading city on the Silk Road. The ancient settlement itself impresses with its size - about 9 hectares. The city had water supply, sewage, baths, handicraft quarters, streets were paved with cobblestones. But what now appears (XNUMX hectares) is only the most fortified part of ancient Talgar. And its suburbs, located to the north and east, are buried under modern buildings. So the inhabitants of the North-Eastern Semirechye, digging in their gardens, periodically dig out a jug, then a dish.
“We began to clear one of the household premises of the settlement and found hum (buried in an earthen floor) (a huge clay wide-necked vessel for water),” says the chief researcher at the Institute of Archeology named after A. Kh. Margulana, Doctor of Historical Sciences Tamara Savelyeva. - It contained iron products: agricultural implements (pumpheads, pickaxes, ketmen) and household items made of bronze (dishes, bowls, jugs, lamps). For a researcher, this is a great success. For all the time of my work, we have found such treasures four to five times. We believe that this treasure was made either by merchants, or by the inhabitants of ancient Talhir themselves. Thus, homemade belongings could be prepared for repair - solder something somewhere, tin. Judging by the external state of these things, the latest version is most likely. On some dishes, for example, you can find patches, somewhere you can see cracks, and on this jug there are not enough elements of external decoration.

For many years, domestic archaeologists have collected an extensive collection of metal objects in the excavations of ancient Talhir, but the crypt found by the expedition of T. Savelyeva this summer at the very end of the excavation is unique. Scientists upon arrival in Almaty did metallographic and other analyzes. It turned out that in the XI century Talkhir people already used wolframite, that is, "Damascus" steel.
Not a single material in history has been shrouded in such a flair of romance and myths as Damascus steel. The metal of the famous Damascus blades had a higher carbon content than most modern steels. After skillful forging, Damascus steel acquired exceptional strength, toughness and the characteristic patterned pattern of the “Mohammed staircase”. Some prominent European scholars sought to unravel the secret of Damascus steel, but the Prototalgars knew it. Moreover, they mastered the art so masterfully that they made steel not only blades and sabers, but also quite utilitarian things - chisels, scissors.

“The fact that it was a local production is undoubtedly,” says Tamara Vladimirovna. - This is evidenced by both the shape of the objects and the ornament (the "plant" pattern predominates), with which the masters decorated their works - measured dishes, tableware, jugs. An interesting technology for the production of this utensil. The master riveted dishes from separate "petals" with curly edges, which gave it special strength. You could even say that it was the know-how of Talhir artisans. By the way, Talgar dishes were valued in the Middle Ages and were exported.

More often than dishes, archaeologists find locks, needles, knives, nail files, coins, which were once lost by Talhir people. There are a lot of keys, nails with which horses and horseshoes were shoeed. Talgar is almost the only place in Kazakhstan and Central Asia, where medieval iron has the best preservation. Scientists from all over the world come to get acquainted with a unique collection of medieval iron.

Now scientists are engaged in the study of Talhir values. Everything is important for specialists: the firing temperature of ceramics, the composition of clay, the technology of metal forging, the shape of the dishes and its functional purpose. With this information, it will be possible to judge the level of development of Talhiri crafts.

Perhaps the found treasure will reveal to scientists another secret of the ancient craftsmen.

Alla KOLESNIKOVA
Photo by Igor LOGVINA
(“Arguments and Facts Kazakhstan”)

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Aposlya

I will cite an article:
Treasury of the Kazakhstan Institute of Archeology named after A. Kh. Margulan was replenished with valuable exhibits - clay hum with a capacity of about 100 liters and the bronze and copper dishes found in it

Do you know how the production of copper and bronze differs from the production of iron?
once again, nomadism is a dead end despite the fact that it gave a lot of inventions at the initial stage

[Aposlya]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

Do you know how the production of copper and bronze differs from the production of iron?

Read the article carefully! It also says about steel products from Damascus!

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

once again, nomadism is a dead end despite the fact that it gave a lot of inventions at the initial stage

There has never been a wandering in Kazakhstan for the sake of wandering! Brains may already include start? Not all Kazakhs wandered, but only those who were engaged in transhumance cattle breeding! Kazakhs are not gypsies ... Although to whom am I explaining this?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Lord, understand what the “descendants” of Genghis Khan will read ?!
uto rejects the presence of ancient settlements? !!!!
NOT!!!!!
but what side are you talking to them ?!

[Aposlya]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

but what side are you talking to them ?!

How is that? Kazakh tribes lived here back in those days when they were simply called by the word SAKA - Saki, Scythians, etc. Or did you think that the Kazakhs, like the Russians from Orion, flew on vimaanas, as your authors write?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Aposlya

How is that? Kazakh tribes lived here back in those days when they were simply called by the word SAKA - Saki, Scythians

Yes Yes
everything came from you equator from ec batyr, and america from eric
all the conquerors of the world the dispute is over it makes sense to argue when you can learn something new, but it’s pointless with diggers of the “black” sea and drovers of mammoths

[Aposlya]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

everything came from you equator from ek batyr

Frankly, you made yourself such a fool, giving an example (about the equator) of a joke that the Kazakhs themselves invented!
Yes, you did not argue, but rather stupidly troll in all Kazakh topics.
Admit it - you Kazakhs strongly see something offended?
Can you tell what exactly and who specifically offended you here? Or is it just from stupid chauvinism?

Vladimir, reading these posts, the Kazakh youth begins to think that they are being deceived and that no Russian fuck they are brothers at all ...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Aposlya

when they were simply called the word SAKA - Saki, Scythians, etc.

only they to you no side
Saki IRANIAN-speaking tribes
in addition, the culture of Saks, especially jewelry absolutely does not intersect with the Kazakh

it’s just that today's “science” of Kazakhstan is trying to create a myth about the greatness of history, before the “black sea” dinosaurs have not thought of yet but you have everything ahead, you are stubborn I think you will succeed in digging up and taming the Caspian and dinosaurs

[Aposlya]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

Saki IRANIAN-speaking tribes

According to the Türkic-speaking of Scythians-Saks, there is their sea, but the Iranian-speaking of Scythians is not a proven thing at all and is only a theory from the late 19th, early 20th century!
Vladimir, provide at least some evidence of Iranian-speaking Scythian-Sakas - chronicle or factual in the form of a written artifact from the Scythians?
It is the Saki who are our ancestors. Saka is the old self-name of the Turkic tribes. By the way, like the word KAZAK, it consists of two words - Kaz and Sak, and in translation means Wandering Sak ...

[snowvik83]

Good day to all!
As a person temporarily residing in the Republic of Kazakhstan, I want to say that there is no smoke from tires and revolutionary lights, and the article says about Kyrgyzstan, there may be unrest in the process of elections and the division of power. Kazakhstan only takes precautionary measures, is vigilant.

[raw174]

Quote: snegovik83

I want to say that there is no smoke from tires and revolutionary lights

Now no, but after leaving HIS? I think there will be no tires and revolution, a milder form of turning to the west is possible by bribery and promises ...

[Aposlya]

Quote: raw174

Now no, but after leaving HIS?

Karimov died in Uzbekistan, burned a lot of tires there? Here too ...

[Nikolai Petrov]

Quote: Aposlya

Enchanting nonsense! About the same as the Ukrainian digging of the seas!
Why is it trifling? Before the Russians, there was no civilization on Earth at all! And it was precisely these Russians of Europeans who taught science, pants taught how to wear, factories they built, the British made an industrial revolution! The Romans were taught everything and it was the Russians who built Rome itself!

What is the nonsense? Please explain to me illiterate. We are talking about the founding of Akmolinsk then Tselinograd then Astana, Faithful then Alma-Ata. There was no letter about the times of the Roman Empire. Has the Maidan virus really reached Kazakhstan?

[Aposlya]

Quote: Nikolai Petrov

What is the nonsense? Please explain to me illiterate.

The fact that Akmolinsk was founded on the site of the ancient city of Akmola, from which the name Akmolinsk was taken with the addition of a Russian ending.
Fort Verny was laid between the first and second Almaty, i.e. existing city:

In the notes of 1853 of Major Peremyshleysky, the man who founded the Zailiysky fortification on the site of the modern city, the spelling "Almaty" is used:

July 24, 1853.

Almaty
G. Corps Commander

With my report of July 18, No. 140, I had the honor to inform Your Excellency of crossing the river. Or…

... The woodland of the gorges, from where Issyk flows, made me immediately begin to survey them. Upon inspection, I moved to Talgar and, having examined its peaks, I am currently inspecting Almaty. Further, the Almaty forest in the mountains is gladdening and becoming more accessible. The choice to occupy the point should fall on Issyk or Talgar.

- Centre. Gos. Archive of the Republic of Kazakhstan, f.3, op.1, case 7
8 August, 1853

Kargaly

G. Corps Commander

I had the honor to inform Your Excellency of my intentions to survey the peaks of Almaty. Having examined the first and second Almaty and the valley between them with engineer-lieutenant Aleksandrovsky, we found the convenience of logging, a large number of beautiful arable land rugged by irrigation ditches, pastures and hayfields, far exceeding the tracts in Issyk and Talgar, which is why Almaty was offered the place of the future settlements, moreover, through occupation of this point, all the best nomads and arable lands of Dulat will be at our fingertips. Unfortunately I can’t take this p ...

(the end of the first sheet of the report is badly damaged and destroyed)

- Centre. Gos. Archive of the Republic of Kazakhstan, f.3, op.1, case 7

January 23, 1857 at the fourth meeting of the Imperial Russian Geographical Society, a letter was read out by a member of P.P. Semenov.

From the fortification of Vernago (the city of Almaty) I headed straight to the west, following 30 versts along the base of the Kungi-Alatau ridge through the rivers: Almaty, Aksai, Kesken, Chemongan, Kara-Kesten and Kesten.

- Petersburg life. Notes by the new poet. 4th meeting of the Geographical Society //. - Literary magazine "Sovremennik". - St. Petersburg: printing house of the Main Headquarters of his Imperial Majesty for military schools, 1857. - T. 62. - P. 154.

If Almaty had not existed before the appearance of Fort Verny, then there would have been no mention of it (Almaty) in the reports.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Aposlya

If Almaty had not existed before the appearance of Fort Verny, then there would have been no mention of it (Almaty) in the reports.

Quote: Aposlya

I had the honor to inform Your Excellency of my intentions to survey the peaks of Almaty

this brothel as I understand about the roofs of skyscrapers? !!!

[Aposlya]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

this brothel as I understand about the roofs of skyscrapers? !!!

And you didn’t even know that Almaty was standing in the mountains, as it were? Nude nude ... See already and don’t know how to touch the opponent ....

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Aposlya

Fort Verny was laid between the first and second Almaty, i.e. existing city:

well, then you quote completely
Having examined with the engineer-lieutenant Aleksandrovsky the first and second Almaty (Bolshaya and Malaya Almatinki rivers)
I hope how the rivers differ from the city, you know

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Aposlya

If Almaty had not existed before the appearance of Fort Verny, then there would have been no mention of it (Almaty) in the reports.

still existed, as the geographical position of the military fortifications was justified by slightly different considerations

[Aposlya]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

still existed, as the geographical position of the military fortifications was justified by slightly different considerations

Learn to think with your head, not another place!
I repeat for the slow-witted!
January 23 1857 At the fourth meeting of the Imperial Russian Geographical Society, a letter was read out by a member of P.P. Semenov.

From the fortification of Vernago (Almaty city) I headed straight west, following 30 versts along the base of the Kungi-Alatau ridge through the rivers: Almaty, Aksai, Keskelen, Chemongan, Kara-Kesten and Kesten.

For four years from the date of reports of Major Peremyshelsky, the city does not appear on a bare spot, as you are trying to fantasize here!

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

From the fortification of Vernago (the city of Almaty) I headed straight to the west, following 30 versts along the base of the Kungi-Alatau ridge through the rivers: Almaty, Aksai, Kesken, Chemongan, Kara-Kesten and Kesten.

So what does it mean?!
from the fort "faithful" went along the rivers, then what ?!

Quote: Aposlya

For four years from the date of reports of Major Peremyshelsky, the city does not appear on a bare spot, as you are trying to fantasize here!

Have you been to Alma-Ata ?!
the fort itself, you know the small capital of the old city ?!
can give at least one photo of buildings before the Verne period? !!!
the fort was built in a tactically convenient place, trade routes, mountain rivers with water, good land
probably the territory looked not only to the Russian military but also to those tribes that lived here before
but Alma-Ata is related to them exclusively by place but not by culture and history, a few nomad yurts along Vesnovka or Kazachka are not proud

[Aposlya]

I repeat for the stupid really: "From the fortification of Vernago (Almaty city)" ...
No need to redirect attention to the rivers, dull in the literal sense!
Well, on the account of where I live - I, unlike you, live in Almaty and live all my life, but I don’t know where you lived ... Judging by your posts, you have only seen Almaty in short visits!

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Aposlya

but I don’t know where you lived ... Judging by your posts, you may have seen Almaty only by assaults!

I was born and lived for 38 years in Alma-Ata; I know what a small village is; there is a family house; I was in fort

[Aposlya]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

I was born and lived for 38 years in Alma-Ata; I know what a small village is; there is a family house; I was in fort

Were in the fort? !!! Yah?!!! Maybe describe how it looks like this "fort" ?!

[Aposlya]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

there is a family house, was in the fort

So there will be a description of the fort from which you supposedly were Mr. liar ?!
If you really lived in Almaty, you would know that after the earthquake in 1911, in general, there were no buildings left except the church and one merchant's house! And from Fort Verny in the 70s there was only a belt of the first masonry of granite stones, on which there was an ordinary hill along the road ... What the fuck were you in? On a cigarette or something? !!! And did you even live in Kazakhstan?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Aposlya

they would know that after the earthquake in 1911, in general, in addition to the church and one merchant's house, there were no buildings left!

In fact, according to the acts of the appraisal committee of 1010 houses, it’s not interesting for lovers of myths

[Aposlya]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

In fact, according to the acts of the appraisal committee of 1010 houses, it’s not interesting for lovers of myths

1010 houses are damaged! Reference: "houses with lighter damage to foundations, stoves and plaster - 1010". But only the church and the merchant's house remained intact!
And the fort itself, in which you supposedly visited, from it only the foundation has survived to this day. Have you ever appropriated the age of Methuselah to visit the fort ?!

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Aposlya

But only the church and the merchant's house remained intact!

yeah and you can give a reference to the conclusion

and the fact that now there is nothing left of the fortress is thanks to sovereign Kazakhstan

[turcom]

For 5-6 days in the media of Kazakhstan there have been active discussions about the words of the President of Kyrgyzstan Almazbek Atambayev. 1,5 million people watched the video with the words of the head of state addressed to Nazarbayev on the YouTube channel. This video divided the Kazakhstanis in the treasure into two camps.

Among them, most ordinary people welcome the words of the Kyrgyz president. Official Astana and state-owned media regarded Atambayev’s words as provocative. Last Saturday, President Atambayev sharply criticized Kazakhstan’s interference in the elections in Kyrgyzstan. A video with an excerpt from the speech of the Kyrgyz president in the treasury gained 2 million views in 3-1,5 days and remains the most discussed topic at the moment. The video was uploaded by the popular Kazakhstani Internet portal "Bose" under the heading "Atambayev's Epic Speech". Most Kazakhs who watched the video write in the comments that the Kyrgyz president told the truth, someone admires the Kyrgyz president, including suggestions to call him to Kazakhstan and make him president.

Another popular Kazakhstan portal nur.kz wrote that the words of the head of state are provocative. But ordinary Internet users do not agree with this, leaving the opinion that Atambayev’s words are correct. “The enemy lavishes pleasant words, his friend bitter,” Atambayev expressed such an opinion as a friend of the Kazakh people, said some of the Kazakh Internet users.

As for the Kazakh authorities, they stated that Atambayev’s words are based on inaccurate data and are provocative. Kazakh Prime Minister Bakyt Sagintayev stated the following:

“Atambayev’s statement is based on the manipulation of figures, which have no basis. I believe that strong and responsible politicians cannot afford such actions. For example, all transport trade outlets of the Kyrgyz Republic and air, rail, road routes go through Kazakhstan, but we’ve never taken restrictive measures. Moreover, all these years our country has been helping the Kyrgyz people, understanding the requests of the Kyrgyz leadership, including financial assistance. We should not become a laughing stock for other peoples. "

As the director of the Kazakhstani “Risk Assessment Group” Dosym Satpayev notes, Atambayev’s words are pre-election in nature, and are dictated by the belief that “the era of the Central Asian patriarchs is already leaving.”

“After the death of Islam Karimov, everyone understands that Kazakhstan is next in line. And in this regard, younger politicians in Central Asia, including Atambayev, understand that sooner or later serious changes will occur in Kazakhstan, and it is still unknown what political processes can be here . Maybe in some respects even the situation will be much worse than in Kyrgyzstan, "" the expert said.

Residents of Astana also express their opinion about the words of Atambayev:

"Of course, such words are not worthy of the president."

“We have corruption, Atambayev’s words are correct”

"There are many in the world who have been in power for longer than Nazarbayev. The people have chosen him, which means there is no politics here."

A separate discussion unfolded over Atambayev’s words that the pension in Kazakhstan is only one and a half times higher than the Kyrgyz one. In an interview with reporters, Minister of Labor and Social Development of Kazakhstan Tamara Duysenova said that "Kyrgyzstan will not be allowed to interfere in the pension issue." Following this, the news came that from January next year, pensions have been rising in Kazakhstan. This was the basis for ironic remarks in the spirit that "pensions are rising due to criticism of the Kyrgyz president."

[turcom]

Here is a video of the speech of Atambayev A: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_G5QrKwClc

[Humpty]

Quote: turcom

all transport trade outlets of the Kyrgyz Republic and air, rail, road routes go through Kazakhstan, but we have never taken restrictive measures.

Divine dew. The prime minister, right, forgot the way the Kyrgyz removed the economic blockade by “repairing the locks” when no reasonable arguments for the celestial acted.
One person in Kazakhstan has an obsessive idea that the Kyrgyz will come and begin to teach Kazakhs how to do Ketsin.
The power complex is a heavy thing.

[Aposlya]

Quote: Humpty

God's dew.

Yeah, especially Atambaev! By the way, the National Academy of Sciences met with both applicants, but for some reason the first Kirghiz didn’t remember about meeting the southerner, but about the northern one he immediately flushed up .... Well, Atambayev did not want his nomination, therefore he opened the mittens ...

[turcom]

Quote: Humpty

Divine dew. The prime minister, right, forgot the way the Kyrgyz removed the economic blockade by “repairing the locks” when no reasonable arguments for the celestial acted.

Then the border was closed for 40 days, as a result, Kyrgyzstan was blockaded. The Kyrgyz authorities asked, asked, patience ran out in the end, and Kyrgyzstan announced that it would block the Kirov reservoir, after which the border was opened literally the next day. From this fact alone, one can judge who is who. Therefore, until power changes in Kazakhstan, the attitude towards Kyrgyzstan will not change. Uzbekistan is a good example of this ...

[Nikolai Petrov]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

Quote: Aposlya

Fort Verny was laid between the first and second Almaty, i.e. existing city:

well, then you quote completely
Having examined with the engineer-lieutenant Aleksandrovsky the first and second Almaty (Bolshaya and Malaya Almatinki rivers)
I hope how the rivers differ from the city, you know

Svidomo smack of the speech of this Kazakh "patriot". Campaign picture is clinical. In Ukraine, too, with such "historical discoveries" began.

[Humpty]

Quote: Nikolai Petrov

Svidomo smack of the speech of this Kazakh "patriot". Campaign picture is clinical. In Ukraine, too, with such "historical discoveries" began.

There his Svidomo blossoms and smells. Forum users often draw conclusions about the mood in Kazakhstan according to the comments of several people from there who are in full adequacy, sound mind, despite the fact that their opinions vary widely. There are several simple tests for checking local Svidomo, for example, Svidomo Kazakhs will never believe in the existence of Kazakh guest workers and shtrebrehera in Kyrgyzstan, because of better earnings. In a whisper I’ll say they are from Russia.

[Aposlya]

Quote: Humpty

for example, Svidomo Kazakhs will never believe in the existence of Kazakh guest workers and shtrebreher in Kyrgyzstan

Can the facts provide Humpty? Which will go to impoverished Kyrgyzstan to earn money ?!

[Humpty]

Quote: Aposlya

Quote: Humpty

for example, Svidomo Kazakhs will never believe in the existence of Kazakh guest workers and shtrebreher in Kyrgyzstan

Can the facts provide Humpty? Which will go to impoverished Kyrgyzstan to earn money ?!

And what do I dig on the Internet with me on the site work. Because in Kazakhstan they do not want to pay. We pay 50 percent more for the same work. Almost a hero of the Kazakh people, a goon and his brother pilaf cook dumb, Alma-Ata want a more decent income.

[Zalym]

Well, then we have the same Gaster from Europe. :)

[Aposlya]

Humpty, you liar! So that the Kazakhs may trample on gastritis to the impoverished Kyrgyzstan, when here, right next to the house, they have in bulk work and there are not enough workers' hands? To whom you fill in - there are not enough hands at construction sites! The brigades from Kyrgyzstan and Russia were taken over, because you won’t get your own - well, there aren’t so many free people!
Well, and your "with me on the site" - a summer cottage or something else? Those. land work? I’ll tell you frankly, I have seen few Kazakhs to plow on the ground, and even more so gastril somewhere out there in a foreign land!
You have our businessmen, that's for sure, but Gaster - they have money to get anywhere without going!

[Aposlya]

Quote: Nikolai Petrov

Svidomo smack of the speech of this Kazakh "patriot".

The idiocy of the same and pret denial of archival materials from this leavened patreot ...

[Humpty]

Congratulations on your test result. You passed it. Hello to Hakimych and Sadybakasovich.

[Ugolek]

Which will go to impoverished Kyrgyzstan to earn money ?!

Kyrgyzstan’s GDP is incomparably smaller than in Kazakhstan, BUT, if you look closely at the constituent parts filling this GDP, it will be seen that the Kyrgyz people have learned to make money without oil and gas. In Almaty, why did the giant AKHBK collapse? And now, do not the Kazakhs praise and buy cotton items sewn by the Kyrgyz, Uzbeks have grown cotton. What is written in the second word of Abai? That's it, nothing has changed ...

[Ugolek]

And yet, crap about Almaty for a thousand years does not need to be written ....
And do not confuse the city with the fortifications ....

There is a wonderful work by L. Lukhtanov, “The Faithful City and the Semirechensk Region,” when this work came out, the authorities did everything so that it would not end up in the libraries. It’s understandable, thousands of photographs and documents, but they don’t have the lies that the authorities now come up with about millennium-old cities that don’t ..
In Talgar, a forging center? But the Talkhiz excavated in Talgar during road works simply did not have time to fall asleep, as two Chinese tourists saw this barbarism and reported it to the consulate. As a result, he is on the list of protected sites of UNESCO. So this is a Chinese city ...

[Aposlya]

Quote: Ugolek

And yet, crap about Almaty for a thousand years does not need to be written ....

All questions to archaeologists and scientists ... you are it? No? Well then free!

[Aposlya]

Quote: Ugolek

In Almaty, why did the giant AKHBK collapse?

Why did the AZLK plant fail in Moscow, huh? Understand the economy of the 90s first, then ask stupid questions!

[Aposlya]

Quote: Humpty

Congratulations on your test result. You passed it. Hello to Hakimych and Sadybakasovich.

You passed it a very long time ago ... Give them your greetings!

[DEPARTMENT]

Quote: Aposlya

Quote: Nikolai Petrov

Svidomo smack of the speech of this Kazakh "patriot".

The idiocy of the same and pret denial of archival materials from this leavened patreot ...

You are right hehe .. Kazakhi is power!

it's a joke and nothing more No offense men!

[Aposlya]

Vasilenko Vladimir, oh, there’s nothing more to say? Better calm yourself, otherwise you can see how it tears one place ...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

what did you say to whom?
you already wedge

[DEPARTMENT]

Okay, understand the Kazakhs and Kyrgyz themselves, which of you is cooler ..
Who offended, sorry men!
Need to unite and urgently ..

Good luck to everyone and have a nice weekend guys! break through ..

[Aposlya]

they had a good duet ...

[snowvik83]

Quote: raw174

Quote: snegovik83

I want to say that there is no smoke from tires and revolutionary lights

Now no, but after leaving HIS? I think there will be no tires and revolution, a milder form of turning to the west is possible by bribery and promises ...

Yes, this option cannot be ruled out either! But I hope that Nazarbayev has thoughts on this matter.

[Aposlya]

Quote: snegovik83

Yes, this option cannot be ruled out either!

It is impossible to exclude anything at all in our swinging world ....

[Ugolek]

All questions to archaeologists and scientists ... you are it? No? Well then free!

First, decide whether you are with me at YOU or YOU, otherwise you are in one post, you are in another ..
"Scientists" who found a coin? Yes, serious scientists .. oh well, the city is really 1000 years old, but there is nothing but a coin ..
There is no AZLK, but VAZ sells Grants, Largus and Priors in the RK rather well, and the Kyrgyz sell successfully cotton items ... Catch it? Kazakhs spend money, and the Kyrgyz and the Russians replenish their GDP ... the difference is in the nuances, and so everything is fine marquise, everything is fine.

[Aposlya]

Quote: Ugolek

First, decide whether you are with me at YOU or YOU, otherwise you are in one post, you are in another ..

Is it that important for you?

Quote: Ugolek

"Scientists" who found a coin? Yes, serious scientists .. oh well, the city is really 1000 years old, but there is nothing but a coin ..

Google "archeology of Almaty", maybe then at least start to know something about the history of native penates? Or are you from the category of “tourists without a flag and homeland”?

Quote: Ugolek

There is no AZLK, but VAZ sells Grants, Largus and Priors not bad

Khrunichiv ALREADY is no longer there either, AZLK is also dumb, like many old giants ... VAZ is already a Renault branch, where largus, grant and prior, are given out for Russian cars, which are actually outdated European buckets, although even for an ordinary person model names are already talking ... and this is after millions of bucks poured in there? They said already - "damned place!" ...
Kyrgyz say their GDP replenish? Are you those replenishment you think that Gaster send from the Russian Federation ?!
Do I look at textile in Almaty with some kind of daddy? Worked at AKBK or which of the family? Googling the textile industry of KZ, maybe then you will understand that AHBK was based on cotton and silk from Uzbekistan and it wouldn’t work at all to rebuild it on our raw materials, especially since the click in the KZ was not grown at that time ... Brains in my head, that is, or can you eat it?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Aposlya

then AHBK was based on cotton and silk from Uzbekistan

+ you will be surprised but in England there is no cotton at all, and to India and the United States they are much further than you are to the Uzbeks

[Ugolek]

В

Am it so important?

my parents raised me like that, I didn’t study tea in the aul ... Hey, you, I don’t appeal to people like that ..

Google "archeology of Almaty", maybe then at least start to know something about the history of native penates? Or are you from the category of “tourists without a flag and homeland”?

That's when the Kazakh "archaeologists" will stop burying the Chinese Talkhiz in Talgar and explain to me where in Almaty the classical features of the ancient city were excavated, rather than shards at the fence of the ancient settlement, then I dutifully agree, and the water will go to the mill.

Khrunichiva ALREADY is no longer there, AZLK is also dumb, like many old giants ...

What are Kazakh cosmonauts sent to space ?, tea is not argamaki, so it’s not necessary .. Or do you want to argue about industrial potentials?

You don’t confuse the warm with the soft, I also don’t like when the Russian shoviks start bending my brain about the great Tartaria ... So about the 1000th city, please don’t need it .. The three have unearthed and everything is clear, but about the ancient settlement. Now there is information that supposedly Moscow is more than now believed, since there was a fence there further in the text ... But this is not serious. Therefore, I will survive if Moscow is 850 years old, and Almaty is "1000" .. I do not like lies with any national sauce.

[Aposlya]

Quote: Ugolek

That's when the Kazakh "archaeologists" will cease to bury the Chinese Talkhiz in Talgar

Oh how! You are already raving! The territory of Talgar has already become Chinese ?! Stop drinking!

Quote: Ugolek

but about the hillforts you don’t need

There was no sewage and water supply system in the Middle Ages! And if there was, then this is not a fortification, but a city! Although in Russia and in cities there was nothing like that ...

[Aposlya]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

You will be surprised, but in England there is no cotton at all, and to India and the United States they are much further than you are to the Uzbeks

Comparing Kazakhstan after the collapse of the USSR with England is strong!

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

you love so much
who cares?
you didn’t need to build a new ACBK; the plant was built and fully equipped

[Aposlya]

Vasilenko Vladimir,

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

and the fact that now there is nothing left of the fortress is thanks to sovereign Kazakhstan

You drive! Autumn syndrome or what ?!
From the fortress still under the USSR in the 70s, only foundation stones remained, and they still stand still! Once again I was convinced that you are an ordinary brehlo!

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Well, you are a specialist

[Ugolek]

Enough to argue guys. The President of Kazakhstan congratulated the newly elected President of Kyrgyzstan and expressed confidence that there would be understanding and respect between the two countries. It is time for us to follow this wish, all the best!