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In Hanoi, 26 – 27, September, the international geopolitical congress “100 years of real socialism and the theory of post-capitalist civilization” was held. Representatives from eight countries — Vietnam, China, Singapore, Russia, Great Britain, Germany, Norway, and Mexico — analyzed the impact of the Great October Socialist Revolution on humanity. It was said about the eternal significance of the Marxist-Leninist doctrine. The problems of the formation of the sixth technological order, ways of overcoming international contradictions and conflicts were discussed.

Confirming the exceptional importance of October for the formation of modern civilization, the participants of the congress stated that a bipolar world order had been established, the main centers of power in which NATO and the SCO. The main threat to humanity recognized the possibility of establishing a monopolar world. Russia and China are viewed as the only force that can prevent this.

The main organizers of the congress were the major scientific centers of the countries of Southeast Asia, Mexico and Europe: the Academy of Social Sciences of Vietnam (similar to the Soviet Institute of Marxism-Leninism), the community of scientists of the World Advanced Research Program (WARP Group), the Mexican National Foundation for the Development of Science and Technology, the Autonomous City University of Mexico.
Two plenary sessions were held - at the beginning and before the end of the congress and four sections - two each day. The plenary discussed problems of general importance, in particular geopolitical. Section sessions were devoted to more specific issues - the development of real socialism in the modern world, the fourth industrial revolution in relation to Vietnam, the lessons of Great October for Vietnam.

The Vietnamese Academy of Social Sciences organized and held a top-level congress. Despite the short time of the event, its participants were offered an interesting cultural program. The main languages ​​of the congress were Vietnamese and English with simultaneous translation. The Chinese and Russian delegations provided translators into Vietnamese and then synchronously into English.
At the meetings sounded 29 reports. After each speech, time was allotted for discussion. Let us dwell on the most interesting and important for the Russian reader topics covered by all participants.

Post-Soviet trends

The Great October Socialist Revolution was of great importance for the formation of the modern world. Almost all the speakers noted the exceptional role of this event for the peoples of non-Western civilizations, at the time of its accomplishment, most of them were in colonial dependence. It was emphasized: if it had not been for the USSR with its economic and military might and the socialist camp, there would not have been even the prerequisites for liberation from the oppression of the metropolises. Only an example of the relations of the Soviet Union and the countries that have taken its path, the fear of the leaders of the capitalist states and their business elites before the revolution, forced to go to large-scale democratic reforms. At the same time, in terms of real data on the current situation, the speakers noted that there was a tendency in the world to intensively curtail the social gains of the past. And this is connected with the collapse of the USSR and the restoration of capitalism in the post-Soviet space.

In analyzing the experience of the USSR, much attention was paid to the study of the reasons for its collapse: social, economic, spiritual and theoretical, in particular, the conservation of the theory of Marxism-Leninism. One of the main factors in the collapse of the first socialist country was the rebirth of the party economic nomenclature. Lured by the possibility of seizing public property, she went to the destruction of the country and the restoration of capitalism, thereby committing an unprecedented crime against its own people. So the collapse of the USSR is not the merit of the West, but the result of the betrayal of the parthozelits.

Congress participants recognize that Marxism-Leninism remains relevant. Moreover, there is nothing to replace this teaching. They regard Marxism as the only theoretical basis for developing an acceptable model of the future socio-political formation, which will eventually replace capitalism. However, during the discussion, two conflicting schools emerged. One, let's designate it as a reformist, upholds the thesis about the need to develop the basic tenets of the theory of Marxism-Leninism, with the possibility of the existence of its various models reflecting national characteristics: Chinese, Vietnamese socialism ... Its supporters are mainly representatives of the countries of Southeast Asia, primarily China and Vietnam. Another school, which is logical to call conservative and where one of the leading ideologists is the informal leader of the community of scholars of the Worldwide Advanced Research Program, Heinz Dietrich, is based on the fact that the foundations of Marxism-Leninism cannot change while retaining their significance.

According to supporters of this trend, only the forms of manifestation of the teaching in modern life are subject to adjustment. In particular, new matrices of democracy can be developed, for example, based on the achievements of information technologies. The concept of “Participation Democracy” was made by a prominent British scholar, Professor of the University of Glasgow, Paul V. Coxhott. For a long time, he and his students are developing this doctrine. The bottom line is that today democracy dominates the electoral process. And then the elected government acts independently and in most cases in a completely different way than it declared. According to Kokshot, modern technologies allow not only to choose, but also to include the population in the decision-making process by voting for options. Experiments, very successful, were conducted by his group at the local level. Kokshot worked out in detail the technology of the functioning of “Participatory Democracy” using the Internet and cellular communication systems, demonstrating the promise and reality of this approach. However, some participants (including Russian ones) noticed that the technology is undoubtedly important, but the issue has not yet been worked out theoretically. In particular, the scope of implementation of this method and the principles of its application are not defined. As an example, a possible vote on the country's budget was given. In this voluminous document several hundred people can figure out the whole country, the rest are unlikely to waste time studying it, which means that the voting will be blind. And there are plenty of such examples when the choice, even if it concerns the whole nation, must be made by specialists.

Disputes between supporters of schools sometimes became quite tough. This indicates that the socialist idea in the modern world is not dead, but is alive and developing. If we take into account that it is practiced (even if in a specific form) at least almost 1,5 billion Chinese, numerous Vietnamese people, some Latin American countries - in total more than 30 percent of the population of the Earth, socialism certainly has a future!

The congress participants stated that humanity is entering an era associated with the transition to a new technological structure, and the existing social relations do not correspond to it, giving rise to deep contradictions that have shaped the modern civilization crisis that has engulfed all spheres of activity. Permission is possible only through the formation of a new society - post-capitalist. The primary task of the advanced scientific community is the development of its structure and principles of functioning.

The basis of the new social construction should be a worldview based on an understanding of the unity of the spiritual, informational and material foundations of the universe.

In speeches and discussions on the sidelines, it was noted that the ideological systems developed earlier were not fully capable of providing such an approach. This is due to the fact that existing theories focus mainly on the formation of power, limiting at best conceptual issues of economic development, which is clearly not enough for a full-fledged ideological design. The opinion was expressed that the most important condition for the progressive development of society is the correctly chosen criteria for assessing the quality of social activity. Modern approaches are based on the concepts of benefits, the meaning of the development of society and its subsystems (up to the individual) is reduced to extracting maximum profit. Accordingly, the economic and any other activity is oriented towards this, and not towards the growth of the socially useful product. As a result, the system of social production is out of balance. Actually capitalism crises are such an imbalance.

Therefore, the highest criterion of production efficiency should be its compliance with the needs of society. In this understanding, profit, profit or profitability are purely private and local, auxiliary character and can not be the main thing, as it is today. And the meaning of the development of society will not be reduced to a race for profit, but will be to eliminate the imbalances that arise.

It justified the assumption that the main driving force of modern social processes, in particular revolutions, will be the intellectual proletariat, which replaced the industrial one (“And Lenin is so networked”). Agreeing that there is such a tendency, as well as the expediency of isolating such a social stratum in modern society, the participants stressed: the question still needs to be worked out.

Brains of liberalism

It is worth noting a very unusual presentation of a world-famous scientist - neurobiologist from the University of Oslo (Kongsberg Hospital) Gernot Ernst, with a report on the study of the nature of morphological changes in the human brain depending on its psychological characteristics. Significant textured material shows that people with different moral attitudes have certain differences in morphology - they develop in their own way some parts of the brain. The changes are insignificant, but are detected by a detailed and in-depth study with the complex application of modern methods. From this it follows that individualists, oriented to consumption at any cost (sticking to the liberal idea of ​​“take everything from life”), are not only psychologically but also physiologically different from antagonists. We note that in this, strictly speaking, there is nothing special, but fundamental conclusions inevitably follow, which can have certain political consequences.

Associate Professor Dmitry Pletnev from Chelyabinsk University presented a paper on the analysis of contradictions that naturally arise in corporations. In such groups, there are three types of relationships: subordination, cooperation, and the struggle for personal interest. In corporations of the capitalist world, the first and third predominate in different proportions. In socialist companies, by which he understands various state structures, including ministries and departments, relations of subordination and cooperation prevail, which is more promising from the point of view of the development of these organizations.

Naturally, special attention was paid to global problems. Participants agreed that tensions are rising in the world. Some positive developments only shade the overall bleak picture. The failures of Western and, above all, American geopolitics in the 21st century did not allow us to direct the development of the global crisis to the right direction for transnational elites. The consequence of this was the realization by the leading non-Western powers of the danger for them of globalist geopolitics, on the one hand, and on the other, of the ability to successfully counter it with collective efforts. Centrifugal tendencies in the EU are strengthening - parties and movements of euro-skeptics increase their influence in society so much that the UK is leaving the “common European home”. Complicated US-EU relations. That is, there is a trend towards a sharp weakening of the unity of Western civilization with a clear prospect of losing the grounds for world domination in the foreseeable future.

Tendencies to the rapprochement of Russia and China, other countries - members of the SCO, by contrast, are gaining momentum. The signing of the declaration on the joint fight against terrorism means that the first step has been taken towards turning this organization into a military-political bloc. After all, various extremist transnational organizations are the most important tool of hybrid wars unleashed by the West, primarily the United States.

There is a new bipolarity. In the spiritual and moral sense, it is a confrontation between the liberal values ​​of permissiveness and the traditional foundations of social construction, extreme individualism and the collectivist worldview. In geopolitics, the classic confrontation of the continental mass of Eurasia and the outer crescent of marine spaces covering it: tellurocracy and thallassocracy will take shape. The zone of the main confrontation will be the inner crescent of the intermediate zone - Riemland. These are North Africa, the Near and Middle East, Central and South-East Asia, and the Asia-Pacific region. The basis of world bipolarity will be the confrontation between NATO and the SCO, around them regional communities will be built, formed on a bloc or bilateral basis. The spatial structure of the world will take on this form: the SCO, sweeping along the West-South-East perimeter, is hostile to its political-economic alliances, NATO and the US eastern allies in the Pacific. The basis of the SCO is the Eurasian core: Russia and China. The opponents - the United States.

With an exceptional role in the SCO of Russia as a country with the most powerful nuclear-missile and military-technological potential, it is in this structure that is the main target of the blow of the united West trying to consolidate the geopolitical successes of previous years in Eastern Europe and restore where possible. control over the regions.

On the whole, the congress was held under the sign of mutual understanding, awareness of the need for tremendous theoretical and practical work on the formation of a world order model acceptable for the survival of civilization. The need for further joint work in this direction was confirmed.
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  1. Teberii
    Teberii 15 October 2017 07: 35 New
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    Whoever didn’t say it, but everything has its pros and cons. The revolution brought equality to all citizens to Russia through a fratricidal civil war. The ideas were good and if someone could realize them, actualize them, and well done to adapt to new realities.
    1. Dream of the Gods
      Dream of the Gods 15 October 2017 11: 05 New
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      Socialism = homosexuality. THEREFORE you need to be careful about such statements.
      1. badens1111
        badens1111 15 October 2017 11: 51 New
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        Quote: Dream of the Gods
        Socialism = homosexuality.

        Do you have gender issues, have you missed the site?
        1. Lieutenant Teterin
          Lieutenant Teterin 15 October 2017 12: 38 New
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          Hm. In fact, the connection of the left movement with the support of various kinds of "minorities" is a proven fact. The same adherents of the revolution, Liebknecht and Luxembourg, advocated the rights of, so to say, "alternatively oriented", like Trotsky himself, by the way. http://vesparevenge.ru/?p=1166
          And in modern times, laws on the legalization of such abominations as "same-sex unions" and "marriages" are also usually initiated by left-wing parties. https://russian.rt.com/world/article/404602-germa
          nia-odnopolye-braki
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 15 October 2017 13: 34 New
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            Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
            Trotsky, by the way. http://vesparevenge.ru/?p=1166

            Well, this story, as Trotsky had Lenin, or vice versa, I still read in Sov. Secret, about the year 93.
            Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
            And in modern times, laws on the legalization of such abominations as "same-sex unions" and "marriages" are also usually initiated by left-wing parties. https://russian.rt.com/world/article/404602-germa
            nia-odnopolye-braki

            And why are you all nodding to Germany? In Russia, the modern article for manhood under the EBN has been canceled. True, they entered the USSR in the 34th, before that there was a mess, I will not argue.
            1. Lieutenant Teterin
              Lieutenant Teterin 15 October 2017 14: 25 New
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              Quote: mordvin xnumx
              Well, this story, as Trotsky had Lenin, or vice versa, I still read in Sov. Secret, about the year 93.

              Uh ... Excuse me, but did you read the article I cited? There is not a word in the style of the yellow press about "who, whom, when and how." It speaks of the support of various movements of perverts by "revolutionaries", including Trotsky.
              Quote: mordvin xnumx
              In Russia, the modern article for manhood under the EBN has been canceled. True, they entered the USSR in the 34th, before that there was a mess, I will not argue.

              It's right. But the abolition of the article and the legalization of abomination in the form of the so-called “marriages” for sodomites are two very, very different things.
              Quote: mordvin xnumx
              And why are you all nodding to Germany?

              Because Germany is most often mentioned by Russian news aggregators
              However, in addition to Germany, there are other examples of cooperation between the left and "alternatively oriented."
              The Netherlands, in 2001, legalized the “marriages” I mentioned above while leading the left-wing “Labor Party” in parliament. Amsterdam Mayor Job Cohen, by the way, who also took an active part in the campaign to legalize this phenomenon, also belonged to this party.
              Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff, who was a member of the Socialist Party in her youth and went to the polls from the left Workers' Party, in her election program also set the legitimization of “marriages” for sodomites at the federal level. What is characteristic, after her election, in 2013 she fulfilled this promise.
              And, of course, France, where the socialist president Hollande pushed a similar decision, ignoring the mass protests of the French.
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 15 October 2017 14: 52 New
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                Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                Uh ... Excuse me, but did you read the article I cited? There is not a word in the style of the yellow press about "who, whom, when and how."

                I am forced to admit that there is only that Lenin and Trotsky made a "sexual revolution" - "in fact." But the fact that Stalinism - the power of the bureaucracy with a planned economy - the author is disingenuous. He somehow forgets that almost 2 million people worked in artels, which made serious competition to the state. And the fact that you can build a strong state without planning - I do not see such examples.
                Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                socialist Hollande

                And I don’t want to hear about them. Blue-rainbow in Russia, to put it mildly, is not respected.
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                2. Lieutenant Teterin
                  Lieutenant Teterin 15 October 2017 15: 41 New
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                  Quote: mordvin xnumx
                  But the fact that Stalinism - the power of the bureaucracy with a planned economy - the author is disingenuous.

                  The role of bureaucracy and planning in the economy in the USSR was really great. As for the cooperatives, the question is ambiguous, because even on the left resources and in the LJ of the Communists I have encountered disputes regarding the effectiveness of the cooperatives and their contribution to the economy. http://kommari.livejournal.com/2634866.html
                  And here: http://harmfulgrumpy.livejournal.com/166080.html
                  There is a link to the site rotfront.su, which posted a rather lengthy article on the economic nature of artels.
                  In other words, yes, the fact of the existence of cooperatives and their non-control by the state is undeniable, but there is still debate about their importance in the economy.
                  Quote: mordvin xnumx
                  And I don’t want to hear about them. Blue-rainbow in Russia, to put it mildly, is not respected.

                  I fully agree with you. I myself cannot stand such a spirit, and I have placed a list of countries and politicians solely to prove my words that this abomination is spreading not only in Germany through left-wing parties.
                  1. badens1111
                    badens1111 15 October 2017 16: 01 New
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                    Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                    I myself can’t stand it on the spirit,

                    Yeah ..but in your writings in relation to the USSR, for example, you fully agree with these "ndrey WULF, the SPS faction, the author of the Law on the protection of the rights of all kinds of minorities, including sexual ones:
                    - In Russia, the general population first learned about the existence of homosexuality and homosexuals ten years ago. Previously, this topic was, like many others, outside the information field of Soviet propaganda. So the idea of ​​homosexuality among the people - as something outlandish, incomprehensible and infinitely distant, almost like dinosaurs. And in most countries of Western Europe, this phenomenon has long been in the field of view of the general public. "They are then" left ", and even what ...
                    http://kompromat.flb.ru/material.phtml?id=3720
                  2. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 15 October 2017 16: 20 New
                    +4
                    Articles are interesting. Artels were really mostly small things. But this trifle, such as knives, nails, and cowards, is necessary. But you have to fight thieves. They are now full. Tricksters and strive to go round the state on a crooked goat. Everywhere. But there were large artels. Our largest chemical plant in the city is the former artel “The Third Five-Year Plan”. From the 60th - "Plant of household chemicals." Now - Procter-Gamble mainly. About Tide and Ariel, I hope they heard.
                  3. Sergej1972
                    Sergej1972 16 October 2017 01: 17 New
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                    Artels were controlled by the state and the party.
            2. kalibr
              kalibr 15 October 2017 16: 41 New
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              I don’t know what you read in 93rd. But here’s what it’s now and it’s being checked: the Ministry of Children and Family Development of Norway was recently headed by politician and millionaire Audun Lusbacken, who did not hide his unconventional orientation. Today he stands at the head of the country's largest left-wing party!
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 15 October 2017 16: 50 New
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                Quote: kalibr
                Today he stands at the head of the country's largest left-wing party!

                Listen to you, then some leftists are buggers. Is Lyashko left too? Radical, sort of. And for me, so a political prostitute.
                1. kalibr
                  kalibr 15 October 2017 19: 30 New
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                  Not alone, that’s the point. But many are among them. And it’s known about a fly in the ointment and a barrel of honey, isn’t it?
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 15 October 2017 19: 54 New
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                    Quote: kalibr
                    And it’s known about a fly in the ointment and a barrel of honey, isn’t it?

                    Where is honey and where is tar, I don’t want to argue, let the devils argue about it.
                  2. badens1111
                    badens1111 15 October 2017 20: 00 New
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                    Quote: kalibr
                    Not alone, that’s the point. N

                    Caliber, here’s an ambush for you .. you have changed one, now it turns out that your beloved West, using the so-called “leftists”, has carried out a direct anti-human action, imposing homosexuality and various kinds of perversions, as a kind of norm.
                    Do you still believe in the ideals of the West and the so-called "left" parties of that West?
                    So at the expense of a barrel of tar and a spoon of honey, you turn to yourself, in our country, truly left-wing forces, do not advocate homosexuality, moreover, all this madness is condemned.
                    But yours, the so-called RIGHT, starting with the Union of Right Forces, ardently for, why would you? One of your brothers in mind wrote - "Dream of the Gods Today, 11:05 ↑
                    Socialism = homosexuality. "
                    Sorry. But you got very excited -Homosexuality and capitalism, are inextricable, no matter how you notice traces here ...
          2. badens1111
            badens1111 15 October 2017 14: 28 New
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            Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
            the same Trotsky, to

            What are you rushing about with a liar, like with a written coffin, Trotsky about and without? History has shown that he is essentially yours.
            In the United States and Germany, the authorities are left-wingers, what is there at the state level that homosexuality is supported and promoted?
            Yeltsin and K-0 leftists who removed the article for sodomy and perversions?
            1. Lieutenant Teterin
              Lieutenant Teterin 15 October 2017 15: 27 New
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              Quote: badens1111
              Trotsky, with or without? History has shown that he is essentially yours.

              Mr. Baden, first of all, have a nice day. Secondly, Trotsky, whatever he may be, is essentially one of the organizers and executors of the pro-communist revolution in Russia. And, no matter how anyone would like to, it cannot be thrown out of the list of members of the so-called SNK. As well as denying his occupation of the post of chairman of the "revolutionary military council of the RSFSR." There was such a person and held power posts. And every abomination was supported like a society "Down with shame."
              And to call him "mine" is essentially wrong. I am a conservative monarchist of the Orthodox faith, which is why it is not possible to classify my atheists as a result of his world outlook, the opus written by him and his works, as “my”. For a person who owns logic, of course.
              Quote: badens1111
              In the United States and Germany, the authorities are left-wingers, what is there at the state level that homosexuality is supported and promoted?

              In the USA, the leaders of the Democratic Party, which has long been using the slogans and methods of left-wing parties in their rhetoric of activity, are busy promoting such phenomena. As for Germany, if you look at the statistics of the Bundestag vote on the legalization of these "marriages", you will see that this year most Christian Democrats voted against this abomination, but the left-wing Social Democratic Party, the "Left Party" (SEDG successor) and the Greens voted in full. And the Bundesrat, which approved the law, also has a majority of the SPD. So yes, in Germany this phenomenon was supported at the state level by the left.
              1. badens1111
                badens1111 15 October 2017 15: 49 New
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                Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                Secondly, Trotsky, whatever he may be, is essentially one of the organizers and executors of the pro-communist revolution in Russia.

                Trotsky’s merits are very, very exaggerated. As well as his merits in dubious kind of “victories”, one should rather talk about where Trotsky appeared where the defeat followed. The most significant case is the Polish campaign Tukhachevsky with his inspirer, Trotsky.
                And all subsequent anti-Sovietism and Russophobia of Trokoy and K are clearly visible in his Yakshan, first with the Reichswehr, and then with Hitler. Read more.
                Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                . There was such a person and held power posts. And every abomination was supported like a society "Down with shame."

                It was life, but the truth is that already in 1925 it was trampled from all posts, and in 1929 it was completely from the country. Perhaps those who lived and made decisions better understood what this demon is?
                Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                I am a conservative monarchist of the Orthodox faith, which is why it is not possible to classify my atheists as a result of his world outlook, the opus written by him and his works, as “my”.

                You are the same in your conclusions and consequences, your fuss against the country, the result. Defeat 90, not building as such, namely the country. And if you do not understand this, then what kind of logic will help you ... except for frankly pro-Western and essentially logic surrender of the country for the sake of the interests of others .. It doesn’t matter whose, or to the 4 Trotsky’s international. To the descendants of the SS-Prince Vovan Kirillovich
                Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                In the USA, the leaders of the Democratic Party, which has long been using the slogans and methods of left-wing parties in their rhetoric of activity, are busy promoting such phenomena.

                Have you come up with this yourself? Well, you have obvious problems with logic. What is the so-called Democratic Party, what is Republican in the USA, there are two sides of the same coin, with ideology at the forefront of which is the preservation of capital.
                In Germany, same-sex couples have the right to marry, and at the same time adopt children. Angela Merkel, who herself still opposes the marital union between representatives of the LGBT community, played, in the opinion of many experts, a trump card. She managed to maintain the sympathy of the right, as well as attract left voters.
                https://russian.rt.com/world/article/404602-germa
                nia-odnopolye-braki
                1. Lieutenant Teterin
                  Lieutenant Teterin 15 October 2017 16: 47 New
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                  Quote: badens1111
                  Trotsky's merits are very, very exaggerated

                  I do not argue, at that time everyone who was not lazy attributed fantastic merit to themselves. However, the same Trotsky was appointed to a post similar to that of the Minister of Defense. They say, "Comrade Lenin." It seems they don’t lie.

                  Quote: badens1111
                  that already in 1925 he was trampled from all posts, and in 1929 it was completely from the country.

                  As a result of the internal party struggle. Beat Trotsky and his opponents would have been waiting for exactly the same fate. Another thing is that his crazy ideas about a "permanent revolution" were excessive even for the CPSU.
                  Quote: badens1111
                  You are the same in your conclusions and the consequences of your fuss against the country, the result. Defeat 90, not building as such, namely the country.

                  In conclusions, Mr. Trotsky and I are different. I do not share his bullshit about the "world permanent revolution" and do not intend to share it. As for the consequences ... the USSR was destroyed not by the monarchists, but by the members of the CPSU. This CPSU, with its monopoly on ideology and the ideological component in education, raised such people. And the collapse of the USSR itself is no less a painful event for me than for you. Despite the shortcomings in the redistribution of budgets, when large-scale subsidies to other republics came at the expense of the RSFSR and the BSSR, the Soviet economy had considerable potential for subsequent soft modernization and its dispersal, as well as thoughtless reduction of the armed forces, was a crime. Crime committed by members of the CPSU.
                  And, by the way, I have an extremely negative attitude towards the impostors "Kirillovich". That Vladimir Kirillovich, in defiance of all laws calling himself the Imperial title, that Maria, who has exorbitant ambitions, ignoring both the will of the Romanov Dynasty and the laws of the Republic of Ingushetia, causes me to feel deep contempt.
                  Quote: badens1111
                  Did you come up with this yourself?

                  Actually, no, this is obvious from studying the dynamics of the party’s election rhetoric. However, the visibility of the confrontation between Democrats and Republicans is well known to me. It is also known that in the framework of these parties there are a considerable number of subgroups and factions with often conflicting interests. And not all of these groups protect the interests of industry or the banking sector.
                  1. badens1111
                    badens1111 15 October 2017 17: 05 New
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                    Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                    As a result of the internal party struggle. Beat Trotsky and his opponents would have been waiting for exactly the same fate.

                    Why guess, if History has shown, Trokiy turned out to be useless in Russia, and his “works and efforts” turned out to be absolutely anti-Soviet and anti-Russian.
                    For whom is the secret that, for example, the Trotskyists in France felt fine and at the same time as the Gestapo participated in the murder of members of the PCF and, in general, people from resistance?
                    Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                    As for the consequences ... the USSR was destroyed not by the monarchists, but by the members of the CPSU. This CPSU, with its monopoly on ideology and the ideological component in education, raised such people.

                    No need to bliss again. You blame many people all the time, forgetting about the specifics of SPECIFIC persons and their actions that led the country to disaster, and all of them, no matter how you go out of steam, have expressed themselves in one way or another. were, the goal was a change of order.
                    Although one fact is in your favor, Khrushchev laid the foundation for the collapse. He relied on the highest and middle level in the CPSU, leading them out of possible repression by the state security organs, and then the very state security led to what led the body serving him and the subsequent kodlo.
                    Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                    Despite the shortcomings in the redistribution of budgets, when large-scale subsidies to other republics came at the expense of the RSFSR and the BSSR, the Soviet economy had considerable potential for subsequent soft modernization and its pulling out, as well as thoughtless reduction of the armed forces, was a crime. Crime committed by members of the CPSU.

                    Once again, everyone’s surnames are known, as well as their attitude to the Communists and ideology proper, so you shouldn’t bring everything down again in general without showing the main thing — the names and surnames of people who covered themselves with a party card. if not more. K. Leontyev, you hope you know who it is? In 1098, if he didn’t fail to remember at a meeting with Gorbachev, he told him that he shouldn’t do nonsense with the so-called reforms, he should take up the re-equipment of industry, as the B-groups providing the population and the severity of the moment with the allegedly incapable power would say. Can't you see?
                    Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                    make me feel deep contempt.

                    Then your monarchical preferences are all the more incomprehensible .. what difference does it make of any of the Romanovs to the throne, if this family has exhausted itself, like that. Because the monarchy in Russia itself is stupidity. You are seriously sure that we’ll put Ivanov on the throne, and his son after him will not be next
                    Nicholas 2?
                    Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                    It is also known that in the framework of these parties there are a considerable number of subgroups and factions with often conflicting interests. And not all of these groups protect the interests of industry or the banking sector.

                    In general, and on the heap, both of these partitions provide the same immutability of American capital and the system of American superiority of that same capital over all, including over its own population. In different forms. From direct police and military force to handouts like Welfer.
                    1. Lieutenant Teterin
                      Lieutenant Teterin 15 October 2017 19: 26 New
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                      Quote: badens1111
                      SPECIFIC persons and their actions that led the country to disaster, and all of them, no matter how you go out of their way, expressed themselves in one way or another. That they were never Communists at all, but the goal was to change the system.

                      But in reality, the very essence lies. Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Shevarnadze, Ligachev, all of them did not fall from the moon. They went to Soviet kindergartens, schools, universities. They were October, pioneers and Komsomol members. Entered the CPSU. We attended lectures and lived in the best (according to the official version) country. They entered the elite, enjoyed all the benefits of the Soviet system, for them we can say they built personal communism. And then these people suddenly turn out to be traitors and not communists. Do not find a contradiction? Is it that people brought up through the communist system of education and career, using all the benefits, decided to fight against this system? Maybe it was not in people, but in ideology and the system was a problem?
                      Quote: badens1111
                      when your monarchical preferences are all the more incomprehensible .. what difference does it make of any of the Romanovs to the throne, if this family has exhausted itself

                      To begin with, the Romanov family did not "exhaust" itself. Among the modern Romanovs, there are many worthy people, as there were as many among previous generations. The rest of the Romanovs long ago renounced the power-hungry and impostors of the Kirillovichs, as did most of the Russian emigration.
                      My monarchical preferences are based not so much on attachment to one particular family, but on the principle of organizing statehood. Monarchist statehood is more advantageous than the republican one because of its ability to implement long-term projects and the long period of preparation for the head of state to take office. Plus, the monarch does not need to spend time and energy on campaign squabbles and pouring mud on opponents. Not to mention the monarch’s vital interest in the well-being of the country - nevertheless, state administration leaves a legacy to his native person. In a number of European countries, the institution of the monarchy is working quite adequately now. This is briefly. And if you are interested in the reasons for choosing this position, I recommend that you familiarize yourself with the works of Lev Tikhomirov, "Monarchist Statehood" and Ivan Solonevich, "People's Monarchy".
                      1. badens1111
                        badens1111 15 October 2017 20: 11 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                        Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Shevarnadze, Ligachev, all of them did not fall from the moon. They went to Soviet kindergartens, schools, universities. They were October, pioneers and Komsomol members. Entered the CPSU.

                        And? And they were brought up in what family? Yeltsin had kulak roots, Gorbachev had the same plus uncle served the Germans in police, so now, Khrushchev merit, opened the way to the opportunists and shifters.
                        Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                        My monarchical preferences are based not so much on attachment to one particular family, but on the principle of organizing statehood.

                        Yeah, and there it’s the same prince Yusupov — a homosexual, a certain grand prince, Nikolai is there, I’m afraid to make a mistake, but there was the same thing in general among yours, before the fig was of any unnatural nature of rabble. Based on this, we conclude that Are all homosexual monarchs and the monarchy the limit of this? Or is this statement as stupid as the statement of the Mind who died in a Dream, the first to write the statement that supposedly this unnatural connection and socialism are identical?
                        Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                        Monarchist statehood is more advantageous than the republican one because of its ability to implement long-term projects and the long period of preparation for the head of state to take office.

                        This is all nonsense, the experience of China shows how to build power and its transfer. So as not to happen what happened with us in 91.
                        Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                        Plus, the monarch does not need to spend time and energy on campaign squabbles and pouring mud on opponents. Not to mention the monarch’s vital interest in the well-being of the country - nevertheless, state administration leaves a legacy to his native person.

                        The experience of Nicholas 2 taught you nothing, and yet one of those who were so eager for his overthrow was his uncle, then Nikolai ..
                        Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                        to get acquainted with the works of Leo Tikhomirov "Monarchical statehood" and Ivan Solonevich "People’s monarchy".

                        I read, I do not share. A dream of reason and hallucinations on the topic of intellectual dreams.
                        Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                        In a number of European countries, the institution of the monarchy is working quite adequately now.

                        A hint of Small Britain? And she, an Englishwoman, do we need a decree?
                        He knows how to crap, but as an example or worse, as the Bear of Kent, there’s no need, thank you, for such happiness.
          3. zoolu350
            zoolu350 15 October 2017 17: 40 New
            +5
            Yah? Usually the rear-wheel drive movement arose among aristocrats, counts, princes and other riffraff.
            1. kalibr
              kalibr 15 October 2017 19: 36 New
              +1
              Japanese captain Koday went to Catherine the Second from Vladivostok for a year. I haven’t met any special aristocrats in Siberia, but noted in the diary that the Russians talk a lot about zoppaebeto. And they say speak, but when he offered them, they giggled and refused. It surprised him. Why speak if not ... But on the other hand, conversations are idle, too, right?
              1. badens1111
                badens1111 15 October 2017 20: 13 New
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                Quote: kalibr
                But on the other hand, conversations are idle, too, right?

                In your environment, as you like. So, probably, the Japanese, met along the road of ancestors, some of the current blue lobby in our country?
          4. Saburov
            Saburov 15 October 2017 17: 50 New
            +3
            Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
            Hm. In fact, the connection of the left movement with the support of various kinds of "minorities" is a proven fact. The same adherents of the revolution, Liebknecht and Luxembourg, advocated the rights of, so to say, "alternatively oriented", like Trotsky himself, by the way. http://vesparevenge.ru/?p=1166
            And in modern times, laws on the legalization of such abominations as "same-sex unions" and "marriages" are also usually initiated by left-wing parties. https://russian.rt.com/world/article/404602-germa
            nia-odnopolye-braki


            Dear Lieutenant! So you are not too lazy to spread the absolute monarchy nonsense from the yellow press? The article does not have any archival or documentary evidence, except for the gag of lovers of conspiracy theories.

            The "sensational" discoveries of some "historians" about the allegedly existing non-traditional sexual orientation of Vladimir Ilyich Lenin roam the Internet and in modern literature. Volkogonov (general and concurrently a traitor, the one who shot the White House in 1993 and the follower of Yakovlev’s ideas about the collapse of the USSR, which in 1996 Yeltsin awarded the state prize for denigrating Soviet history) 666 th published his "secret" discoveries of 03.05.1994 g. Then this the article began to walk around the sites, even today some "especially gifted" authors link to it.

            In the 3 for the 1997 year, the issue of The Russian Order, an openly fascist newspaper published by RNE, published an article by a certain “candidate of historical sciences I.V. Sokolova ”under the heading“ Lenin is the executioner of the Russian people and an ordinary pederast (or the love story of Vova, Geisha and Leiba) ”(p. 4-5).

            In general, this bike started much earlier. With Lenin’s disease. And in the end, 1990 was transformed into the fact that Lenin was supposedly a homosexual. Like a rumor in line. (By the way, the same thing about Tchaikovsky, everyone still believes in this nonsense, although psychiatrist, president of the Moscow Psychotherapeutic Academy, professor Mikhail Buyanov scientifically proved that Tchaikovsky was not homosexual and spoke about the mistakes of his colleagues who made the wrong diagnosis to Tchaikovsky.

            So here. There are written memories of doctors. So, one of them, a psychiatrist and neuropathologist Oswald Bumke, at the end of his life, in the 1950 year, admitted in a monograph: “I am amazed, why did it suddenly rumor that Lenin had syphilis of the brain? There wasn’t such a thing at all! ”Other doctors - the spouses Cecilia and Oscar Vogt - made sections of his brain and took part of them with them. In their memoirs, they also stated that there was no syphilis in slices of the Lenin brain. Where did this slander come from?

            During the illness of Lenin there was a struggle for power between Zinoviev, Trotsky and Stalin, Trotsky was quickly pushed aside because he was not an intriguer. And Zinoviev, who was the first contender for the throne, wanted to somehow belittle the image of the leader. At that time, the outstanding psychiatrist Viktor Petrovich Osipov worked in Petrograd. He headed the department at the Military Medical Academy. It was he, at the request of Zinoviev, who spread the rumor about Lenin's illness. Although all Lenin’s tests for this disease were negative. Lenin had atherosclerosis - a disease that affects the brain, with which syphilis is similar in many symptoms.

            About the correspondence. Its authenticity has never been proven by anyone! And in general it is strange that such great conspirators wrote about such things in plain text, knowing that if they fell into the wrong hands, these letters would be the end of their political career for them. In general, these nonsense have nothing to do with history. As the heroes of far-fetched scenes, (one must understand what time it is, this is not modernity), persons with the names of revolutionaries were chosen. Naturally, no documents found in the sixth archive of the party are given either by links or by copies. The mere mention of the party’s archive and the declassification of some documents was the main argument of this whole version. But this falsification was compiled if it claims to transmit historical events, obviously by people who had poorly studied the biographies of Lenin, Trotsky, Sverdlov, and so on. So in the future be smarter Lieutenant!
            1. Lieutenant Teterin
              Lieutenant Teterin 16 October 2017 14: 42 New
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              Mr. Saburov, I recommend you to be more careful. I did not write anything about the orientation of Mr. Ulyanov. In my comments, it was about the support of the left movement and the VKPb leaders, in particular, all sorts of perverts. Or do you not see the difference between “support legalization of rights” and “being a member”?
              And if you do not trust an article from the right-wing magazine, here is an article from a left-wing, pro-communist source:
              http://www.komsomol.narod.ru/sexual/homosexualism
              Nmarxism.htm
              1. Saburov
                Saburov 16 October 2017 18: 56 New
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                Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                Mr. Saburov, I recommend you to be more careful. I did not write anything about the orientation of Mr. Ulyanov. In my comments, it was about the support of the left movement and the VKPb leaders, in particular, all sorts of perverts. Or do you not see the difference between “support legalization of rights” and “being a member”?
                And if you do not trust an article from the right-wing magazine, here is an article from a left-wing, pro-communist source:
                http://www.komsomol.narod.ru/sexual/homosexualism
                Nmarxism.htm


                Lieutenant! With all due respect, but articles from the Internet, and even more so without links to sources or documents, are nonsense! The paper will endure everything! And about the fact that there were oppression or vice versa allowed. This is not so scary, the time was different and the people were wild and uneducated thanks to the stupid tsarist-church policy for centuries. And by the way, the passports of prostitutes in tsarist Russia were the norm. But it’s much worse than homosexuals and other sick people, but when the sign “Entrance with dogs and lower ranks is forbidden” hangs at the entrance to the Petersburg Garden, when whole trains with icons and bast shoes are sent to the Russo-Japanese war, or the frequent expression of our last king "I want so."

                1. Lieutenant Teterin
                  Lieutenant Teterin 16 October 2017 20: 55 New
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                  Quote: Saburov
                  With all due respect, but articles from the Internet, and even more so without links to sources or documents, are nonsense!

                  Forgive me generously, I personally can’t personally search for articles by Forverts edited by Liebknecht in the 1900s in support of perverts, due to the fact that I speak German only at the level of the basic phrases of a phrasebook and a dozen curses that I learned during a long time ago when I studied of this language. repeat But if you know the language and you have a desire to verify the data I have provided, they can provide a link to the newspaper’s website: https://www.vorwaerts.de/
                  There should be an archive of articles.
                  Quote: Saburov
                  the people were wild and uneducated thanks to the stupid tsarist-church policy for centuries.

                  Sorry, but these words are offensive to every Russian person. If the people were like that, then where did so many scientists and inventors come from in Russia? http://patriotka.livejournal.com/73711.html
                  Quote: Saburov
                  passports of prostitutes in tsarist Russia were the norm.

                  I will tell you a terrible secret, Mr. Saburov. Prostitution, alas, is an indestructible phenomenon. As long as, by virtue of a vicious human nature, there are men who are ready to pay for intimacy with a woman and women who are ready to enter into intimacy for the money, this phenomenon will exist. Kings and kings fought with him, the state and the Church - to no avail. Even in the USSR, with its total control, there was the so-called "currency prostitution" and the infamous "sparrow school" of the KGB. So there is nothing surprising in your passports. Introducing these passports, the imperial Ministry of Internal Affairs first tried to establish at least some framework for the inevitable process, and secondly, to make this process safe and contain the spread of sexually transmitted diseases. Or did you not know that regular medical examinations were a condition for receiving this document? Tsarist officials were not stupid and understood very well - try to ban this phenomenon, so there will be clandestine brothels and a huge amount of uncontrolled irregular prostitution. In Sweden, criminal liability exists for this phenomenon, and for both sides of the process. Do you think this ban helped a lot? Not once. The phenomenon simply went into the sphere of crime, expanding the base for criminal activity, and nothing more.
                  Quote: Saburov
                  when the sign "Dogs and lower ranks is forbidden" hangs at the entrance to the Petersburg Garden, when whole trains with icons are sent to the Russo-Japanese War instead of ammunition

                  Chic you quote myths. Regarding the "dogs and lower ranks" there is no mention in any newspaper of that time. And there are no recollections in emigrant editions. But in the memoirs published in the USSR for some reason. A curious coincidence, right?
                  The same with the icons. The mentions of the echelons are at Novikov-Priboy, but in reality there was one a wagon in the same echelon with small underbody icons for soldiers. Given that the bulk of the soldiers at that time were quite religious people, this is not surprising. But it was one carriage for the entire war, and not "echelons".
                  1. Saburov
                    Saburov 16 October 2017 22: 25 New
                    0
                    Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                    There should be an archive of articles.


                    I’ll definitely look. Documents and archives are my passion.

                    Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                    Sorry, but these words are offensive to every Russian person. If the people were like that, then where did so many scientists and inventors come from in Russia?


                    Lieutenant! The list of scientists that you gave, for the most part, refers to another state called the USSR. Do not confuse! And if you look at the bare facts, the number of engineers, scientists, doctors and inventors per capita in tsarist Russia was disastrously miserable. As well as the level of education. Only 21% of those who can read and write for the whole RI! Although in reality there is no more than 15% (Rubakin N. A.,. Literacy // Brockhaus and Efron Encyclopedic Dictionary: in 86 volumes (82 volumes and 4 ext.). - St. Petersburg, 1890 — 1907.). In short, even in the development of basic industries, Russia lagged significantly behind the leading European countries. For example, metal production in Russia in 1912 was 28 kg per person, and in Germany - 156 kg, that is, 5,5 times more. As for the more complex and knowledge-intensive industries, the lag there was much greater. As pointed out by N. Rozhkov (Russian historian and politician), his industrial engineering and the production of means of production (machine tools and equipment) in Russia at the beginning of the 20th century. actually did not exist. New sectors of the auto and aircraft industry only began to develop shortly before the First World War, but here there was a significant lag behind the leading countries. So, during the First World War, Russia produced 4 times fewer aircraft than Germany, France or England. In addition, almost 90% of Russian aircraft were equipped with imported engines, despite the fact that the engine was the most high-tech design element, and its price was more than 50% of the cost of the aircraft. Remember, on which aircraft did Utochkin and Nesterov shine? Newpor, Farman, Bristol-Bulldog, Sopvich, Fokker. England, France, Belgium. Even on Russian destroyers, cruisers and battleships there were German and Swedish turbines, English gyrocompasses and rangefinders. Inventors and scientists in the Republic of Ingushetia it was a piece of goods, although very unique. If in RI the largest income was from the sale of vodka, what scientists and inventors can be? If you raise the archives for example Sokolov D.A., Grebenshchikov V.I. Mortality in Russia and the fight against it. SPb., 1901. You can easily see that in the Moscow province there were only 10000 doctors at 2 people. Or for example, the infant mortality rate at 100 of children under the 1 of the year according to the archives and statistical collections of N.A. Rubakin “Russia in Figures” (St. Petersburg, 1912 edition of the year) and Novoselsky S.A. "Mortality and life expectancy in Russia" (Petrograd, Printing house of the Ministry of the Interior, 1916 year) died from 23 to 30 children in different years. So where are all these scientists and inventors?

                    Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                    Prostitution, alas, is an indestructible phenomenon.


                    So is homosexuality. The Romans and Greeks and Turkish Sultans also did this. And in the era of the 1917 revolution, it was rather a step to win over all sectors of society, including perverts. Although I do not condone.

                    Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                    Regarding the "dogs and lower ranks" there is no mention in any newspaper of that time. And there are no recollections in emigrant editions.


                    Have a look at the archive for example here (https://ok.ru/yuzhnyforp/topic/66464285092798) or read Brusilov A.A. Memories. - M .: Military Publishing. 1963 p. 47. And besides, such signs hung almost all over the country and on Primorsky Boulevard in Sevastopol and in Moscow and Petrograd. Unfortunately, this is a fact Lieutenant!

                    Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                    Novikov-Priboy has a reference to the echelons, but in reality there was one carriage in the same echelon with small body-worn icons for soldiers.


                    Actually, there are not only references, but also archives. If you are not too lazy and read "Information on the movement of trains with troops and military cargo to the theater of operations in the Far East." F. 487. Op. 1. D. 51. L. 1 – 45. Or for example, A. Svechin. Chapter 9: Russian-Japanese War 1904 — 05 A. Sorokin. “Defense of Port Arthur. The Russo-Japanese War 1904 — 1905. ” - M .: "Military Publishing", 1952. - 272 sec. It was necessary to somehow justify the theft of the Main Quartermaster’s Office and the complete inability to fight General A. N. Kuropatkin and a company that managed to wage five battles during the year of the war without winning a single one. It’s all sad. Lieutenant. Be realistic, learn history from archives.
      2. Amper
        Amper 15 October 2017 21: 20 New
        +1
        ????? Please read more!
        There are no historical analogies. in the USSR homosexuals (piderasty) was a criminally prosecuted phenomenon. Now European pederasty-love is the basis for the existence of EU / US democracy, how would it be?
        You read, sir, that the founders of society wanted to create, starting with the idealists of Campanela, etc. .. If you have socialism comes down to sexual instinctive, perverted, it's a sex therapist !!!
      3. Amper
        Amper 15 October 2017 21: 49 New
        0
        No words, go to the sex therapist, or read the relevant literature
    2. Stas157
      Stas157 15 October 2017 14: 00 New
      +6
      Quote: Teberii
      Whoever doesn’t say it, but everything has its pros and cons. The revolution brought to Russia equal rights of all citizens, albeit through a fratricidal civil war.

      Yes, it is a question of correlation. It looks like you use this expression as an eyeliner to level out the advantages of socialism with the minuses. I wonder if you would use your expression
      Whoever did not say, but everything has pros and cons.
      To justify fascism, or to justify rapists and murderers? After all, there are pros and cons!
    3. Sotskiy
      Sotskiy 15 October 2017 19: 13 New
      +3
      Quote: Teberii
      The revolution brought to Russia the equal rights of all citizens, albeit through a fratricidal civil war

      It’s interesting, if now comes the moment of nationalization of assets under state control, will you persuade the “elite” with persuasion to give up what you have gained with “honest and overwhelming labor”?)
      As they say, you can try, but who will give it away. But to send - they will send and not only in "three letters". Therefore, there are no alternatives to the forceful method of returning the "privatized" assets of the Chubais-Goydarovsk-Yeltsin Corporation. And this is the same "fratricidal" (only if they are brothers to those who rule) the civil war and whose supporters will be more that will be in the "ladies". Judging by Putin's categorical refusal to review the results of "privatization", the "majority" camp has been determined.
  2. andrewkor
    andrewkor 15 October 2017 07: 42 New
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    I have lived under socialism for 40 years, and I have not regretted one day. With bitter taste, at the age of years, I look at the reality surrounding me. How great, all the same, Russia has been robbing her and others for hundreds of years, and she lives on fear and envy to her enemies!
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 15 October 2017 08: 02 New
      +7
      Quote: andrewkor
      I have lived under socialism for 40 years, and I do not regret about one day. With bitterness, in my declining years, I look at the reality surrounding me

      drinks recourse
    2. Settlement Oparyshev
      Settlement Oparyshev 15 October 2017 09: 35 New
      +4
      Socialism is not done one day, it takes decades of free labor by tens of millions of people.
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 15 October 2017 09: 38 New
        +8
        Quote: pp to Oparyshev
        It takes decades of free labor by tens of millions of people.

        What would the next Chubais come later and share everything laughing
        1. Settlement Oparyshev
          Settlement Oparyshev 15 October 2017 09: 40 New
          0
          Chubais is needed for communication with the West, as Molotov used to be. You do not need to attribute other exploits to him.
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 15 October 2017 10: 41 New
            +3
            Quote: pp to Oparyshev
            No need to attribute to him other feats

            The people are not mistaken! laughing
          2. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 16 October 2017 05: 24 New
            +1
            Quote: pp to Oparyshev
            Chubais is needed for communication with the West, as Molotov used to be. You do not need to attribute other exploits to him.

            But is this connection needed :?
      2. badens1111
        badens1111 15 October 2017 17: 05 New
        +9
        "A slave, conscious of his slavish position and fighting against him, is a revolutionary.

        A slave, unaware of his slavery and vegetating in a silent, unconscious and wordless slave life, is simply a slave.

        A slave whose saliva flows when he smugly describes the delights of a slave life and admires a kind and good master, is a serf, a boor.

        You are just such louts, gentlemen. All your education, culture and enlightenment is only a form of skilled prostitution. "

        VI Lenin
      3. Saburov
        Saburov 15 October 2017 18: 35 New
        +2
        Quote: pp to Oparyshev
        Socialism is not done one day, it takes decades of free labor by tens of millions of people.


        Free? Have you ever looked into the Constitution of the USSR before writing this "opus"? Where it is written in black and white that exploitation and slave labor are prohibited! Moreover, even convicts and prisoners working at sawmills received a salary, except for the period of 1941-1945 of the year (there they paid extra ration) The maximum pension for the period of 1987 of the year was 132 rubles. After the monetary reform of 1 on January 1961, the Soviet ruble was formally equal to 0,987412 g of gold. Gold in the USSR could be purchased in the form of jewelry, which in 1985 was sold in the amount of 2,926 billion rubles. Even without taking into account the domestic purchasing power of the ruble, it is not difficult to calculate what salaries were paid in the USSR. Now a gram of gold 583 - 585 test costs 1300 - 1420 rub. Multiply and count.
        1. Gransasso
          Gransasso 15 October 2017 18: 49 New
          +3
          Quote: Saburov
          Quote: pp to Oparyshev
          Socialism is not done one day, it takes decades of free labor by tens of millions of people.


          Free? Have you ever looked into the Constitution of the USSR before writing this "opus"? Where it is written in black and white that exploitation and slave labor are prohibited! Moreover, even convicts and prisoners working at sawmills received a salary, except for the period of 1941-1945 of the year (there they paid extra ration) The maximum pension for the period of 1987 of the year was 132 rubles. After the monetary reform of 1 on January 1961, the Soviet ruble was formally equal to 0,987412 g of gold. Gold in the USSR could be purchased in the form of jewelry, which in 1985 was sold in the amount of 2,926 billion rubles. Even without taking into account the domestic purchasing power of the ruble, it is not difficult to calculate what salaries were paid in the USSR. Now a gram of gold 583 - 585 test costs 1300 - 1420 rub. Multiply and count.




          Cheating ...


          In the USSR, the cost of gold was approximately 50 – 56 rubles per gram, while the purely Soviet 583 test, and the cost of pure gold reached 90 rubles per gram.


          Now multiply / divide and consider ... real prices ... and not fake inscriptions on banknotes ..
          1. Saburov
            Saburov 15 October 2017 19: 25 New
            +4
            Quote: Gransasso
            Cheating ...
            In the USSR, the cost of gold was approximately 50 – 56 rubles per gram, while the purely Soviet 583 test, and the cost of pure gold reached 90 rubles per gram.
            Now multiply / divide and consider ... real prices ... and not fake inscriptions on banknotes ..


            Have you carefully read the text?

            Quote: Saburov
            After the monetary reform of 1 on January 1961, the Soviet ruble was formally equal to 0,987412 g of gold.


            You confuse the cost of a gram and the provision of gold. Which is not surprising. This is still without calculating the purchasing power of the ruble and the cost of the consumer basket in the USSR. And one gram of gold in those days cost about 50 rubles in the USSR. At the same time, 1 dollars cost 13 gold in the global market. But there is still the notorious technological factor. In the USSR there were high prices for exactly what was difficult to manufacture, especially in the civilian sector, hence the price range. Including in jewelry and air communications.

            For example, prices end 70's beginning 80's

            Cigarettes "Prima" - 14 cents,
            Cigarettes "Belomor" - 22 pennies,
            Draft beer "Zhigulevskoye" - 22 penny mug,
            37 kopecks a bottle of 0.5 liters, 45 kopecks a 0.5 liters "Miner",
            Beef in the store - 1 ruble 90 cents,
            Extra vodka - 4 rubles 12 kopecks, “Moscow” - 3 rubles 62 kopecks,
            (Then, 1979-1980 years, “Extra” disappeared, appeared “Russian” (two and a half heroes) for 4 rubles 42 pennies),
            Wines: “White strong”, “Pink strong” - 82 penny (0.5 liter bottle), “Ruby”, “Solntsedar” - 1 ruble 2 penny,
            “Pamir” (0.7) - 1 ruble 27 cents, “Vermouth white” (brown in a bottle the size of champagne) - 1 ruble 60 cents,
            different ports - 1 ruble 27 kopecks - 1 ruble 80 kopecks
            “Soviet Champagne” - 4 rubles 17 cents,
            "Zaporozhets-ZAZ-968М" (not hunchbacked) - 3500 rubles new,
            boxing gloves - 9 rubles 50 cents,
            can of condensed milk - Price per can - 37 kopecks,
            travel - tram, trolley - 3 pennies,
            bus - 5 kopecks, express - 20 - 30 kopecks,
            Almaty-Moscow flight - 64 rubles,
            the Nota-305 tape recorder - 106 rubles, the Vega-101 microphone - 230 rubles,
            pack of salt - 7 cents,
            jeans ("Levis", "Wrangel") - 250 rubles (not in the store),
            tea with sugar - 2 penny glass,
            Caucasian sweets - 1 ruble 40 kopecks,
            beets (1 kg) - 6 cents.

            PS In general, it is easy to calculate and conclude that salaries in the USSR and prices were oriented towards the social component, although with a complete absence of the makings of a consumer society.
            1. Gransasso
              Gransasso 15 October 2017 19: 59 New
              +1
              Quote: Saburov
              Have you carefully read the text?



              Yes, carefully .. that’s why I said that you were cheating ... they wrote a fake so that the impression was that under the USSR the average pension was pulling 100 grams of gold .. and in today's Russia it’s only 10 ... although the reality is that the Soviet pension didn’t pull 3 grams of gold ...




              Quote: Saburov
              But there is still the notorious technological factor. In the USSR there were high prices for exactly what was difficult to manufacture, especially in the civilian sector, hence the price range.



              And here you wriggle already so as not to tell the truth that the USSR in this area was a technologically backward country with a disregard for the basic needs of people and produced all kinds of low-quality bullshit at crazy prices .. which was also sorely lacking ..

              The price of the Zaporozhets monster -3500 rubles is a minimum of 25 average Soviet monthly salaries..the price of the terrifying quality of a color TV-5 monthly salaries..c compare how many average salaries in 30 to rubles in Russia you can buy these products of immeasurably better quality ...


              So it remains to write about cheap matches and salt in the Soviet paradise .. sugar, already on coupons ..


              PSSoviet prices I don’t copy-paste .. I lived with them .. and I know the price)
              1. Saburov
                Saburov 15 October 2017 21: 47 New
                +1
                Quote: Gransasso
                Yes, carefully .. that’s why I said that you were cheating ... they wrote a fake so that the impression was that under the USSR the average pension was pulling 100 grams of gold .. and in modern Russia, only 10 ... although the reality is that the Soviet pension did not pull 3 either grams of gold ..


                You distort the facts again. I wrote to you that in the USSR there was no consumer society. Elementary consumer goods in the USSR were abundant, although thanks to the Khrushchev-Brezhnev policy, the deficit in the USSR began exactly in the year 1965. By means of party check-currency shops and nomenclature thieves. And if in general, then even the lowest salaries were such that there was enough for food (and of good quality) and for clothes and for vacation and for paying for housing and even for savings. For example, in 1987 (com. Platoon in the Urals), my salary was in the region of 340 rubles, not counting social privileges. I had enough for a family, for a vacation, for clothes and stuff, and even for sber. put off the book.

                Quote: Gransasso
                And here you wriggle already so as not to tell the truth that the USSR in this area was a technologically backward country with a disregard for the basic needs of people and produced all kinds of low-quality bullshit at crazy prices .. which was also sorely lacking ..


                No one here wriggles. A technologically backward country is Zimbabwe or Nigeria. Technological backwardness is not measured by consumer goods and their absence. The bottom line is that the USSR built both satellites and nuclear power plants and computers, but that was all in the scientific and military fields. Which, in principle, is correct, especially when you look at what nonsense children and adults are doing on computers. And again, you confuse the capitalist consumer society and the socialist system with its ascetic social order. Creation and Consumption are two completely different things. And about the low-quality bullshit, then here you again missed. For example, in household appliances of the USSR there were certain values ​​in quality. Everything was done from the desire for waste-free production. Remember the tape recorders? Zero series is the highest class of complexity, foreign counterparts cost from 1200 dollars. I had a 038 Corvette rotary, now its cost is even in a killed state from 15000 rubles. At which, for the first time in the world, the technology of the glycerol damper of the tonearm and the needle holder from Beryllium was applied. And then two years later, the whole world began to practice such technology. Many more examples can be given about refrigerators and electronic components. And the price of such goods depended on their quantity. In general, here you got excited to say the least.

                Quote: Gransasso
                The price of the Zaporozhets monster -3500 rubles is a minimum of 25 average Soviet monthly salaries..the price of the terrifying quality of a color TV-5 monthly salaries..c compare how many average salaries in 30 to rubles in Russia you can buy these products of immeasurably better quality ...
                So it remains to write about cheap matches and salt in the Soviet paradise .. sugar, already on coupons ..
                PSSoviet prices I don’t copy-paste .. I lived with them .. and I know the price)
                Reply Quote Complaint


                And again, 25. Zaporozhets is the production of military products in wartime from nothing to do. Feet grow from here. All variants of the “Zaporozhtsev” were distinguished by the maximum degree of unification in units and assemblies with an army TPK all-terrain vehicle (front-end sanitary wheeled conveyor, LuAZ-967). And the cost, again, on the quantity. And the quantity is from society. I hope you get the point. And technology is getting cheaper with the introduction of industrial automation. Therefore, it is generally incorrect to compare the cost of technology now and in the past.

                PS Believe me, many lived and know. But ambition and pride leave a stamp on this.
      4. Freeman
        Freeman 15 October 2017 21: 06 New
        0
        Quote: pp to Oparyshev
        Socialism is not done one day, it takes decades of free labor by tens of millions of people.

        Do not confuse "free labor" with "selfless".
    3. Stas157
      Stas157 15 October 2017 14: 08 New
      +7
      In analyzing the experience of the USSR, much attention was paid to the study of the causes of its collapse ... the degeneration of the party-economic nomenclature. Tempted by the possibility of seizing public property, it went on to destroy the country and restore capitalism, thereby committing an unprecedented crime against its own people. So the collapse of the USSR is not the merit of the West, but the result of betrayal of the party elite.
      Who just does not say about the collapse of the USSR in 1991! There is a drop in oil prices, or the fact that the USSR has overstrained itself in an arms race, or that they are citizens of freedom, they wanted jeans and chewing gum ... But Vietnamese speakers cited the real reason for the collapse of the USSR. From the side, indeed, it turns out better.
      So, if the cause of the collapse was really a terrible crime against the people, betrayal, then why can't we fix it? Are we supposed to continue to live in this injustice?
      1. Selevc
        Selevc 17 October 2017 15: 55 New
        0
        Quote: Stas157
        Who just does not say about the collapse of the USSR in 1991! There is a decrease in oil prices, or the fact that the USSR has overstrained itself in the arms race, or that they are citizens of freedom, jeans and chewing gum ...

        Yes - judging by this logic, the USSR was supposed to disintegrate in 1941 !!! But he didn’t fall apart in a situation immeasurably more severe than in 1991? And why ? Because in the 41st elite of the country they did not betray their people, but in the 91st they betrayed !!! So the betrayal really lies at the heart of the collapse of the USSR - and this betrayal is monstrous and enormous in the historical context !!!
        The elites of the modern fragmentation countries of the USSR are still those traitors or their followers ... Indeed, why reinvent your Mercedes when you can just steal and buy German? It is both easier and easier !!!
  3. Boris55
    Boris55 15 October 2017 08: 42 New
    0
    Quote: Konstantin Sivkov
    The basis of the new social construction should be a worldview based on an understanding of the unity of the spiritual, informational and material foundations of the universe.


    Putin named the Russian troika as the symbol of Russia.

    Medvedev called the Bolshoi Theater the brand of Russia.

    This is a fundamental difference in understanding the world order. The world as a trinity of matter, measures, information and the World as matter, energy, space and time (space and time are one and the same thing and they relate to information).
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 15 October 2017 12: 09 New
      +5
      Only Russians think for three. And why? Yes, because the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit! Do not think bad, we just have everything comes from God, from the Spirit, from the Soul!
      1. populist
        populist 15 October 2017 14: 31 New
        +1
        sabakina
        Only Russians think for three. And why? Yes, because the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit! Do not think bad, we just have everything comes from God, from the Spirit, from the Soul!

        By your logic, the premature death of tens of millions of Russians from alcoholism "comes from God, from the Spirit, from the Soul!" wassat Rotten Logic negative
    2. badens1111
      badens1111 15 October 2017 14: 54 New
      0
      Quote: Boris55
      This is a fundamental difference in understanding the world order.

      I don’t know what trinity they meant there, but obviously not a bird-three, but something from Krylov-Swan's fable, crab and pike, so we have what we have.
      Or .. as friends you don’t sit down .. and the result, again, is swan cancer and pike ..
      1. Freeman
        Freeman 15 October 2017 21: 11 New
        +1
        badens1111 Today, 14:54
        I don’t know what trinity they meant there, but obviously not a bird-three

        Odd, I remembered
        Three rush across Russia:
        Bear! Raika! Restructuring!
        Perestroika is the main factor
        We ruined the reactor.
        Flooded the ship
        Missed the plane
        Addicted to drugs
        AIDS brought to Russia.

        wassat
        1. badens1111
          badens1111 16 October 2017 09: 00 New
          0
          Quote: Freeman
          Odd, I remembered

          Seem to be...
  4. parusnik
    parusnik 15 October 2017 08: 43 New
    15
    Capitalism, death for humanity ... Western science fiction writers, not being communists, wrote about it ... by the way, a lot is coming true now ...
  5. Monarchist
    Monarchist 15 October 2017 09: 01 New
    +2
    The monopolar world, and that Russia and China balance, is all right. What in physics, what in geopolitics everywhere needs a counterbalance.
    But I have a question: everything is true about NATO and non-childish ambitions, but why the hell did Vietnam stand in line for American ships? Moreover, they were as priority, after the faithful sneaks in the second position.
    And Cuba: Fidel man was strong-willed and did not like amers. Rayul met with the baboon, to the blue favorably. I'm afraid that his receivers will run to the amers to lick * opu
  6. 23rus
    23rus 15 October 2017 09: 04 New
    +7
    It's a shame to return socialism, you have to return the civil war again, because no one will simply give up theirs.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 15 October 2017 09: 20 New
      0
      Quote: 23rus
      ... in order to regain socialism, we must again bring back the civil war ...

      You can do without it, but it will take a lot of time. There is such an egregorial-matrix management of all the people of their life expressed in a saying - every nation deserves the power that then has it.
      As a good example of the action of the egregional-matrix management in practice: the barely speaking Leonid Ilyich bothered the people - they got the talker Gorbachev. Tired of talker - got drunk Yeltsin, tired of drunk - got drunk ...
      "Everything happens in the best way consistent with the real morality and ethics of all participants in the process." Only by raising the measure of understanding of the whole nation can life be changed, and for this it is not necessary to beat each other's faces, but to study, study and study, as the great Lenin bequeathed.
      1. 23rus
        23rus 15 October 2017 09: 42 New
        +4
        Well, “if you are hit on the left cheek, turn the right one”, then the Russian businessman who has honestly earned his labor by billions will surrender everything to the treasury and apologize. hi
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 15 October 2017 10: 30 New
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          Quote: 23rus
          Well, “if you are hit on the left cheek, turn the right one”, then the Russian businessman who has honestly earned his labor by billions will surrender everything to the treasury and apologize. hi

          We all live according to the laws adopted by the Duma, the deputies of which we all choose. That's who we chose - and we live. Another "Maidan" Russia will not survive.
          1. siberalt
            siberalt 15 October 2017 11: 24 New
            +1
            The Duma adopts laws, while others write them. And the deputies are appointed by the factions of the Duma, called parties. laughing
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 15 October 2017 12: 07 New
              0
              Quote: siberalt
              The Duma adopts laws, while others write them. And the deputies are appointed by the factions of the Duma, called parties. laughing

              So there is some other power that we don’t know anything about, which we don’t choose but according to the laws of which we live? Maybe you should start with it? laughing
    2. Stas157
      Stas157 15 October 2017 15: 10 New
      +8
      Quote: 23rus
      It's a shame to return socialism, you have to return the civil war again, because no one will simply give up theirs.
      This thought is spreading with all its might by the current government! And all believe this for some reason. In fact, this is not so. Socialism for capitalism traded without any civil war! So why should the opposite be necessary through war? I, on the contrary, am sure that there will be no Civil War. The oligarchs are too few, and they are too cowardly to fight. In our country, any oligarch or rich person will be undressed - just two times! You look who only did not ruin: Khodarkovsky, Luzhkov, Durov, Polonsky, Chichvarkin ... etc. Someone went to war except for their wealth ?? So they won’t go for others!
      Let's make, as an assumption, that Putin himself decided to cancel the results of predatory privatization and clean out criminal oligarchs! Do you think that war will begin immediately ?? Yes, there will be no war!
      This viral thought about the horrors of civil war is replicated by the oligarchs themselves in order to scare the people and not roll back. By the way, our elite was not afraid of any Civil War to put an end to socialism! Should we be afraid?
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 15 October 2017 15: 31 New
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        Quote: Stas157
        Socialism for capitalism traded without any civil war!

        Well, this is how to look ... a surge of banditry, with complete amorphous power and the loss of millions of people - what is not Civil for you?

        Quote: Stas157
        So why should the opposite be necessary through war?

        Every little oligarch has his own small army. Somewhere these are selling polymers (there are still such), somewhere bandits (also left), and somewhere a security desk is some kind of thread.
        And they will fight, do not hesitate. For the loot, of course.
        Quote: Stas157
        In our country, any oligarch or rich person will be undressed - just two times! You look who only did not ruin: Khodarkovsky, Luzhkov, Durov, Polonsky, Chichvarkin ... etc. Someone went to war except for their wealth ??

        This was done very carefully so as not to tease other "snakes". If you touch everyone together and en masse - a mess is ensured, do not hesitate.
        Quote: Stas157
        By the way, our elite was not afraid of any Civil War in order to put an end to socialism.

        This "elite" at that time controlled everything that was in the country. Security officials, including. And it was, oddly enough, much more organized than the so-called "shirnarmassa".
        Therefore, she was not afraid - all the trump cards are in her hands, the people are silent ... why be afraid?
        Quote: Stas157
        Should we be afraid?

        And we should think with our head, and no other place yes
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 15 October 2017 17: 12 New
          +5
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          Well, this is how to look ... a surge of banditry, with complete amorphous power and the loss of millions of people - what is not Civil for you?

          You do not engage in demagogy! What kind of war did we have ?? If there was, then call! We had a war in Chechnya, but by no means for the ideals of Socialism!
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          Every little oligarch has his own little army.
          Do not make me laugh! Do you call chop army? Then tell how these PSCs helped Khodarkovsky, Luzhkov, Gusinsky? AND? What are you all trying to pull an owl?
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          This was done very carefully so as not to tease other "snakes". If you touch everyone together and together
          That is, all the same, if you do this carefully, can you agree? This is the details of how to do it. It’s possible in bulk (I’m sure everything will happen easily!), Or it can be done separately.
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          And we should think with our head, and no other place

          Judging by the majority of posts, the people in our country do not think at all, but broadcast other people's thoughts that they put in them about power political strategists and propagandists.
          1. badens1111
            badens1111 15 October 2017 17: 21 New
            +2
            Quote: Stas157
            What kind of war did we have ?? If there was, then call! We had a war in Chechnya, but by no means for the ideals of Socialism!

            But this cancels the fact that this is essentially a Civil War? More precisely, one of its manifestations.
            Quote: Stas157
            Do not make me laugh! Do you call chop army? Then tell how these PSCs helped Khodarkovsky, Luzhkov, Gusinsky? AND? What are you all trying to pull an owl?

            You don’t make fun of it. Just because the private security company could be a threat, the owners of these private security companies were forbidden to have protection from their private security companies, this is the first. And the second is all that is now connected with private security companies, under the strict supervision of the WG.
            Quote: Stas157
            Judging by the majority of posts, the people in our country do not think at all, but broadcast other people's thoughts that they put in them about power political strategists and propagandists.

            Yes? Well, then what is it?
            "For the past 9 years, the Central Bank of the Russian Federation has been lending to the Americans 100 to 170 billion dollars of" our "funds by investing in US treasury bonds at 1-2% per annum.

            At the same time, we are pleased with another “victory”: the Russian Ministry of Finance again took another three billion in the foreign market at 4,25-5,25%!

            Even our largest corporations, with a state share of over 50% (Rosneft, Gazprom, etc.), are forced to take foreign currency funds abroad at predatory 5-8% ...

            Total: at least three percent per year, of the amount in Treasury. It turns out, it turns out ... a good "gesheft".
            Can you explain the one who by whom, against what or whom. In whose interests he is pleased?
            For people “on the blue eye” who continue to argue that THIS is good and right, I offer ATTRACTION OF UNBEATABLE BENEFIT:

            You, to me on loan, give your salary "propa.gan.donov" at 1%, and I will be so: I will give you back on credit (for life, maybe :)) HALF and just under 5%! !!!

            Can you imagine how your wives / lovers will be HELPED, how worried your enemies are!
            1. Stas157
              Stas157 15 October 2017 17: 56 New
              +3
              Quote: badens1111
              But this cancels the fact that this is essentially a Civil War? More precisely, one of its manifestations.

              This is what the war against the oligarchs was, for the restoration of the USSR ??
              Quote: badens1111
              You don’t make fun of it. Just because the private security company could be a threat, the owners of these private security companies were forbidden to have protection from their private security companies, this is the first. And the second is all that is now connected with private security companies, under the strict supervision of the WG.

              I did not understand what you wanted to convey. Glovan Jack CHOPy compared with a professional army, and this is the same as comparing a fly and an elephant. They don’t even have normal weapons!
              Quote: badens1111
              Over the past 9 years, the Central Bank of the Russian Federation has been lending to the Americans from 100 to 170 billion dollars of “our” funds by investing in US Treasury bonds at 1-2% per annum.

              At the same time, we are pleased with another “victory”: the Russian Ministry of Finance again took another three billion in the foreign market at 4,25-5,25%!

              Even our largest corporations, with a state share of over 50% (Rosneft, Gazprom, etc.), are forced to take foreign currency funds abroad at predatory 5-8% ...

              Total: at least three percent per year, of the amount in Treasury. It turns out, it turns out ... a good "gesheft".
              Can you explain the one who by whom, against what or whom. In whose interests he is pleased?

              Here I fully share your indignation. I also consider it anti-people.
              1. badens1111
                badens1111 15 October 2017 18: 20 New
                +1
                Quote: Stas157
                This is what the war against the oligarchs was, for the restoration of the USSR ??

                This is a war for the preservation of the territorial integrity of Russia, not so much and only Chechnya in its composition, as the prevention of an attempt to split the country along the direction of Sevkavkaz-Volga region (Bashkiria and Tatarstan, by the way, there are enough dreaming figures in Tatarstan to this day)
                Quote: Stas157
                I did not understand what you wanted to convey. Glovan Jack CHOPy compared with a professional army, and this is the same as comparing a fly and an elephant. They don’t even have normal weapons!

                Who told you that they don’t have weapons? For example, a private security officer of the Ministry of Internal Affairs dismissed for cooperation in Pyatigorsk, for example, even has weapons, yes, these are not combat PM and AK, but what prevents the pros from having or not having automatic fire from SAIGA, and different kulibins will confirm the fact of a simple completion, turn into AK ..
                And how many of these private security companies are there and who are in their leaders? Are all law-abiding citizens? Completeness ... there are also frankly criminal people, now called businessmen for some reason ..
                So PSC, in which case, if there is evil will, how it can be used, not so much as the army, but as an analogue of the police, in defense and suppression ..
                Quote: Stas157
                Here I fully share your indignation. I also consider it anti-people.

                Well, then why argue? request
          2. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 15 October 2017 17: 47 New
            +9
            Stas, the transition to personality is usually a sign of a lack of intelligible arguments. In fact, you don’t have them:
            Quote: Stas157
            What kind of war did we have ?? If there was, then call!

            There was a war of power and the antisocial elements that joined it, having swept the people. In terms of the scale of losses - human and material - it is quite comparable to the Civil. Objections, additions?
            Quote: Stas157
            Do not make me laugh! Do you call chop army?

            Well, private security companies are also different ... Well, are you going to "fool" Gazprom too? Here take an interest at leisure, what is there for the chop. And such things are not only in Gazprom ...
            Quote: Stas157
            how did these private security companies help Khodarkovsky, Luzhkov, Gusinsky?

            Each of the episodes you mentioned is a completely separate, carefully and individually planned special operation. And in the case of Khodorkovsky, Putin, IMHO, took a very high risk. But there the stakes were painfully high, and everything worked out, fortunately.
            Quote: Stas157
            That is, all the same, if you do this carefully, can you agree?

            Not "with us" only. I personally live from paycheck to paycheck.
            And to touch the alligarchs with "all kagal" is fraught. Individually, the most presumptuous - it is possible, necessary and done.
            Quote: Stas157
            Judging by most posts, the people here do not think at all ...

            Stas, well, where are we, the syry, to your heights?
            Only it is you who are here the same training manual from time to time squeeze ... Sling cutter there’s still one, your thoughts are suspiciously similar to him, there’s still a couple like you ... applicants.

            And your whole argument comes down to "I believe that everything will be fine, and that nothing will be bad."
            This, Stas, is not an argument even once; anyone will tell you this.
            That's something like yes
            1. Stas157
              Stas157 15 October 2017 18: 09 New
              +4
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              Stas, the transition to personality is usually a sign of a lack of intelligible arguments. In fact, you don’t have them

              Well ka! Where did I go for cash? In the place where for some reason you suddenly thought that Russia had plunged Russia into the abyss of the Civil War for 91 years, and I called it demagogy? Then let me ask, how else to name something that actually did not exist ??
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              In terms of the scale of losses - human and material - it is quite comparable to the Civil. Objections, additions?

              Quote: badens1111
              it is essentially a civil war

              Again. What year did the so-called Civil War take place, what battles were there, and who defeated whom? Enough to engage in demagogy, mister good!
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              And to touch the alligarchs with "all kagal" is fraught. Individually, the most presumptuous - it is possible, necessary and done.

              Well, at least we agreed on something. Let the oligarchs be "touched" separately. But no! This is done for political reasons, and with units. And he doesn’t surrender his GDP, and there already each oligarch has become his own. And the revision of criminal privatization, the Guarantor announced that he would not. Finita la comedy!
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 15 October 2017 18: 30 New
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                Quote: Stas157
                In the place where for some reason you suddenly felt that Russia had plunged Russia into the abyss of the Civil War for 91 years

                From my point of view, it was precisely the war of the corrupt government and the gangsters who joined it against the working people (!) In order to redistribute property and restore something like capitalism.
                Yes, there were no general battles with horse lavas. But the obvious opposition of one part of society to another - there were losses, human and material - were ... Well, call it now the fashionable term "hybrid war". But it was just a war, I insist yes
                Quote: Stas157
                And the revision of criminal privatization, the Guarantor announced that there would be

                The guarantor is making every effort to attract Western investment and technology into the country. Why is it necessary - they wrote here today. The revision of the results of privatization will erase all these efforts ... completely. Plus, additional “carrots” in the form of forced flight of capital from the country, rising unemployment due to a universal inevitable mess, stopping a number of industries (and “producing” private traders are now complete) breaking the economic ties, and so on and so forth.
                The guarantor in this case, as an intelligent person, simply chooses the lesser of evils.
                But you, apparently, do not understand this. Serve you "all at once and without bread" (c) Winnie the Pooh.
                For a thinker like you are trying to imagine, this ... is kind of stupid.
                That's it.
                1. Stas157
                  Stas157 15 October 2017 21: 24 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  From my point of view, it was just a war

                  Hey cuckoo, parallel reality! So do you call this war this one or does it have an untitled name? Do not wishful thinking. During the famine there were also a huge number of victims, but no one calls it a war.
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  The guarantor is making every effort to attract Western investment and technology into the country. ... The revision of the results of privatization will erase all these efforts ... completely.

                  Why did you suddenly find a relationship here? And the West has already shown us its true face - announced sanctions without any revisions of privatization on our part. By the way, in the West they also consider privatization criminal! So your logical message is not obvious.
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  capital flight from the country
                  What capital flight are you talking about? Yes, everything has already escaped, which could. During the reign of Putin, 1 trillion dollars withdrawn !!! Do not scare it. And you just have to ban it! By the way, does the deoffshorization program seem to have covered itself?
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  The guarantor in this case, as an intelligent person, simply chooses the lesser of evils.

                  The guarantor always chooses the interests of the elite, not the people. A simple Nekrasov question: "And who should live well in Russia?" 30 million Russians, those who are below the poverty line, would answer it unequivocally!
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  For a thinker like you are trying to imagine, this ... is kind of stupid.

                  Well, you yourself have become personal. ... And they reproached me with this.
                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 15 October 2017 21: 27 New
                    +6
                    Quote: Stas157
                    Blah blah blah...

                    Stas, sha for today.
                    I'm tired of you already ... young man laughing
              2. badens1111
                badens1111 15 October 2017 18: 39 New
                +1
                Quote: Stas157
                Again. What year did the so-called Civil War take place, what battles were there, and who defeated whom? Enough to engage in demagogy, mister good!

                I bring it again, the events of October 1993-The civil conflict related to the usurpation of power by Yeltsin, the events in the Chechen Republic, the same Civil War in one of its manifestations. I have already answered you in more detail a little higher ..
                Quote: Stas157
                And the revision of criminal privatization, the Guarantor announced that he would not. Finita la comedy!

                Well .. the worse for those who insist on not reviewing these criminal acts .. however, G. Ford said, at the heart of every major condition, lies no less a major crime.
  7. Kudrevkn
    Kudrevkn 15 October 2017 09: 42 New
    10
    Was twice in Kamrani in 1988 (BS) and arrived now - “night” and “day” !? For thirty years, Vietnam has made a giant economic leap forward! Unlike huge Russia, which has been sitting in a dunghill for 30 years with a poster - a quote from DAM: “The market (capitalism) will regulate everything!”? WHAT or WHO IS ALL? And China, and South Korea, and Vietnam in the basis of their economic development strategies (policies) have used and continue to use the Soviet model? Alas, but the "heroes of the Economy" (theorists) in the native Fatherland "day with fire"? Thanks to the "accountant" Sivkov - these "empty" articles about his "little horse" about anything !? Way to go, namesake!
  8. midshipman
    midshipman 15 October 2017 09: 44 New
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    The collapse of the USSR is a merit of the West, and not the collapse of the party nomenclature. We cannot agree with the conclusion voiced by K. Sivkov. Take the PRC. Which of the former ministers left to live in the West? None. But in the Russian Federation this is a general phenomenon led by the first president. People withdraw funds to offshore in China? No. And in the Russian Federation this is done with the permission of the Government. In China, what is the punishment for corruption? And in the Russian Federation a suspended sentence. And for a death sentence and confiscation of property, a referendum still needs to be held. The labeled one was elected by the Secretary General thanks to Shevarnadze and Yakovlev, who were bought in the West. Romanov GV should have been elected secretary general, then there would have been no such Ukraine, the Baltic states (where more than 4 NATO air regiments are already stationed at our former airfields). I have the honor.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 15 October 2017 10: 35 New
      +8
      Quote: midshipman
      The collapse of the USSR is a merit of the West, and not the collapse of the party nomenclature.

      The role of the West is minimal. During the period of stagnation, by the efforts of the CPSU, a new party nomenclature was developed which destroyed the USSR. The example you quoted from China is the best confirmation of this.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 15 October 2017 11: 03 New
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        Quote: Boris55
        The role of the West is minimal

        I have a different opinion. As a result, WWII drove out the bulk of the Communists west, while the rear rats remained at the helm. Aries does not sink. See what the leaders of the two former leading world powers are doing now. Russia invests in US papers, and Germany begs its gold there. It is unfortunate that Hitler's policy was based on Nazism.
    2. kalibr
      kalibr 15 October 2017 16: 53 New
      0
      midshipman It would be better if you further engaged in radio physics!
      1. midshipman
        midshipman 15 October 2017 17: 23 New
        +5
        Kalibr, I appeal to you without a word dear. I am engaged in radio physics. The monograph "Perspective Aspects in Electrodynamics" was submitted to the publishing house. The work on the monograph "Fundamentals of radio navigation for aircraft land and ship based." Not familiar with you.
        1. You Vlad
          You Vlad 16 October 2017 17: 34 New
          +1
          Quote: midshipman
          Not familiar with you.

          So no need to answer strangers! hi Especially if they are poorly brought up! Oh roads ..
  9. Varyag77
    Varyag77 15 October 2017 09: 58 New
    +4
    Quote: 23rus
    It's a shame to return socialism, you have to return the civil war again, because no one will simply give up theirs.

    Will you give I doubt it. All of you are popping like magpies. Exactly until they come to you. And they will take away from you everything that you were able to earn with your labor. You will be indignant to put to the wall. And the last thought in your brains will be .. and for that I’m for communism .. how much I would give to look at it.
    1. badens1111
      badens1111 15 October 2017 10: 02 New
      +9
      Quote: Varyag77
      All of you are popping like magpies

      It is precisely this, voicing the fears of the nouveau riche and other compradors that you are doing here exclusively.
      Quote: Varyag77
      how much I would give to look at it.

      Do you know ... before you wish the worst for others, take care of yourself .. or it’s not an hour and you have to hug the wall .. or decorate the lamp, think soberly, what your thoughts and actions will lead you to ....
  10. Varyag77
    Varyag77 15 October 2017 10: 21 New
    +7
    Quote: badens1111
    Quote: Varyag77
    All of you are popping like magpies

    It is precisely this, voicing the fears of the nouveau riche and other compradors that you are doing here exclusively.
    Quote: Varyag77
    how much I would give to look at it.

    Do you know ... before you wish the worst for others, take care of yourself .. or it’s not an hour and you have to hug the wall .. or decorate the lamp, think soberly, what your thoughts and actions will lead you to ....

    You again? Have fun with her God. Thanks of course. Well, on the topic have something to say?
    After all, if you take the Communists here on the site, then at least 90 percent of us will find good (in other words redundant) apartments, cottages (and many have mansions), I obviously don’t Lada .. and I’m wondering, how are you all react to their confiscation? AND? Or do you think that you are not touched? So you think in vain. You will be lifted first on the pitchfork. This makes me really funny. Each of you is absolutely sure that you have made all the hard work (maybe it is, for which you honor and praise), but you don’t even think that you will go to the expense like the rest. Because to those Schwonders who come to your house, it’s absolutely violet how you made it. It is important for them that you have it now, but someone does not have it. And it doesn’t matter that those who don’t have it themselves are to blame. The fact itself is important. You have. They dont have. So you need to select. This is the essence of revolution and communism as such. I feel sorry for you stupid.
    1. 23rus
      23rus 15 October 2017 10: 44 New
      +1
      And who is Schwonder?
    2. badens1111
      badens1111 15 October 2017 11: 09 New
      +4
      Quote: Varyag77
      After all, if you take the Communists here on the site, then at least 90 percent of us will find good (in other words redundant) apartments,

      Right? Envy?
      And it is so, envy of those who honestly earned, and did not betray, sold, and now they are even afraid of the rustle of the pillow, no matter what happens.
      Quote: Varyag77
      how do you all react to their confiscation?

      And how we treat, and so we treat, stole-confiscated, proved that honestly, live work and rejoice that you are an honest person.
      Quote: Varyag77
      AND? Or do you think that you are not touched? So you think in vain. You will be lifted first on the pitchfork.

      You and your kind? I believe that you’ve done something like this in all ages, denunciations from the Inquisition to the Gestapo
      Quote: Varyag77
      because the Schwonders who come to your house are absolutely violet how you made it. It is important for them that you have it now, but someone does not have it.

      Well, it’s you who voiced your role right now, right? Varyag77 Today, 10:53
      Quote: 23rus
      And who is Schwonder?
      So I will act as Schwonder, do not worry. I AM
      Here is the confirmation that you wrote.
      Quote: Varyag77
      This is the essence of revolution and communism as such.

      This is your stupid interpretation, in fact, everything that you have nibbled here belongs to a different force, to the one that you are defending now, being just a servant of capital, you could write harder ... yours are all so touchy when they call you in a proper name, common noun and fully appropriate for you.
      "
      Quote: Varyag77
      I am an officer, my wife is a doctor, my parents are both .. Men are Soviet officers, mothers are both educators

      Yeah, I believe ... it is from the environment of the former political leaders that such people grow up ...
    3. sabakina
      sabakina 15 October 2017 12: 19 New
      +7
      Suppose I have three cars: Niva, Sonata, Focus, .... true service, 3-room Khrushchev, cottage (more precisely, a garden plot), which is overgrown with forest. Come on, confiscate! I grew up in socialism, and so I will die!
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 15 October 2017 21: 14 New
        0
        Quote: sabakina
        . I grew up in socialism ...

        Vyacheslav, the profile picture raises a question wassat :
    4. zoolu350
      zoolu350 15 October 2017 17: 58 New
      +2
      But I don’t feel sorry for you, for a slave kissing his chains is a serf (of the Russian oligarchy). Lenin spoke.
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  12. Varyag77
    Varyag77 15 October 2017 10: 53 New
    +3
    Quote: 23rus
    And who is Schwonder?

    So I will act as Schwonder, do not worry. I am an officer, my wife is a doctor, my parents are both .. Guys are Soviet officers, mothers are both educators, I’ll really say so. "Racally loyal" to come and dispossess you .. and I’m dispossessing. But how else is that? You're not going anywhere nice. And your moans about the faith in communism and I will not even listen. All go to the lights ..
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 15 October 2017 12: 25 New
      10
      Quote: Varyag77
      You're not going anywhere nice. And your moans about the faith in communism and I will not even listen. All go to the lights ..

      White Guard? Nude nude! We’ll see who’s on the lanterns!
    2. zoolu350
      zoolu350 15 October 2017 18: 03 New
      +1
      No fantasy. You can now be used for uranium mining. You will strengthen the defense and industry of the new empire of the Russian people.
  13. Snail N9
    Snail N9 15 October 2017 10: 54 New
    +2
    Socialism as a formation in the USSR was destroyed along with the state because of its corrupted nature and inability to transform over time. Any state formation based and based on “theories” and “fabrications” (albeit good ones) of some kind of group of people, but not based on the eternal desires and emotions inherent in humanity, is doomed. Sooner or later, such a formation either transforms, adapts to the eternal qualities of a person, such as laziness, a thirst for money-grubbing, possessing, the desire to please his “ego”, etc., or rests on these qualities, will harden in development and will be crushed by internal contradictions. As the whole history of mankind shows, man cannot be re-educated; he was like a "cave" "boor" all the time, so he remains and will remain in the future. Therefore, all these “socialist” experiments on a “just state” are doomed to failure, even the most successful examples of them such as “Benelux” and “Swiss” are doomed in the future due to banal overpopulation, exhaustion of resources, general uneven development of human civilization.
    1. badens1111
      badens1111 15 October 2017 11: 01 New
      +6
      Quote: Snail N9
      Sooner or later, such a formation either transforms, adapts to the eternal qualities of a person, such as laziness, a thirst for money-grubbing, possessing, the desire to please his “ego”, etc., or rests on these qualities, will harden in development and will be crushed by internal contradictions.

      Do you find other qualities in people?
      Quote: Snail N9
      As the whole history of mankind shows, man cannot be re-educated; he was like a "cave" "boor" all the time, so he remains and will remain in the future.

      Mdya .. how are you all the same anti-humanistic ... do you seriously believe what you wrote?
      Quote: Snail N9
      Therefore, all these “socialist” experiments on a “just state” are doomed to failure, even the most successful examples of them such as “Benelux” and “Swiss” are doomed in the future due to banal overpopulation, exhaustion of resources, general uneven development of human civilization.

      Blah blah blah, the flow of something inspired by either the George Tablets or Billy Gates’s delirium, well, the whole thing is complete.
      The Earth’s biosphere, with normal organization, is able to feed 70 billion people, but it is not able to withstand the greed and stupidity of those who put PROFIT at the forefront at all costs.
      1. Snail N9
        Snail N9 15 October 2017 11: 06 New
        +1
        Here, the answer to all your “critical remarks” lies in your very last phrase about “PROFIT at all costs”, a goal that clearly characterizes ALL mankind (except for a small percentage of “holy fools”): what it “costs” .. ..or do you think that your neighbor on the landing is not interested in profit? In the words of Marx, put any person in the "control environment" and if he is not torn away from it right away because of his mental qualities, then you will see his transformation into an avid, unprincipled egoist pursuing only his goals ....
        1. badens1111
          badens1111 15 October 2017 11: 11 New
          0
          Quote: Snail N9
          "PROFIT at all costs", a goal that clearly characterizes ALL humanity (

          No need to drag an owl to the globe, presenting a part that is not the best, in the name of profit, a ready mother to kill, for all of humanity.
          1. Snail N9
            Snail N9 15 October 2017 11: 27 New
            +1
            Nobody pulls anything. The whole history of mankind is the history of ongoing wars and conflicts, man has not changed - his "bestial" nature will always prevail. Even now, in an era of such anthropogenic development, when a person seems to be "served" all the benefits of civilization, the world is balancing on the brink of nuclear war and the vast territory of the Earth is ablaze in many wars and conflicts. And then it will only get worse — when robotic machines force a person out of production, what to do, how to feed such a huge amount of “unnecessary” population? It’s right to dispose of it either in wars, or with the help of genocide, or with the help of the same “wonders of science”, which is already being done.
            1. badens1111
              badens1111 15 October 2017 11: 38 New
              +2
              Quote: Snail N9
              The whole history of mankind is the history of ongoing wars and conflicts, man has not changed - his "bestial" nature will always prevail.

              Exactly? The Soviet Union, in comparison with the Russian Federation, showed otherwise, at least compared with the number of murders, did not notice?
              And to compare the society of the USSR with the society of banana minions of the United States such as Guatemala and Bolivia during the dictatorship, is it at all .. ridiculous. Do you not understand the difference? And why is this the difference?
              Quote: Snail N9
              Even now, in an era of such anthropogenic development, when a person seems to be "served" all the benefits of civilization, the world is balancing on the verge of a nuclear war and the vast territory of the Earth burns in many wars and conflicts.

              Who is the reason?
              The United States as a military tool in the hands of transnational capital.
              If capital has nowhere to expand, what does it do?
              Right-unleashes a war.
              Quote: Snail N9
              And then it will only get worse — when robotic machines force a person out of production, what to do, how to feed such a huge amount of “unnecessary” population? It’s right to dispose of it either in wars, or with the help of genocide, or with the help of the same “wonders of science”, which is already being done.

              The ideology of social Darwinism, which directly goes into the extreme phase of liberal Nazism, the "diamond million" and its billion employees, all the rest are in the wreck. Dream of Gates.
              Do you like this?
              Do you consider yourself in which part — those who are “diamond” servants or those who are going to be scrapped?
              The USSR and the ideology that was present in it, this is a different way of society, which does not lead to the Apocalypse written by you and propagated by all kinds of gates.
              1. Snail N9
                Snail N9 15 October 2017 12: 45 New
                +1
                The reason for everything is the bastard nature of man, which destroyed absolutely all empires, including the USSR ... one of the famous writers said that "humanity is like a woman: she never knows what she wants, but will not calm down yet" her won't get a "" ....
        2. zoolu350
          zoolu350 15 October 2017 18: 10 New
          0
          You are right about the essence of man. But it is necessary to develop, therefore, either the implantation of mental scanners for the transition to cybertron communism, or two hundred years of Stalinist socialism, for the transition to Efremian communism.
  14. Varyag77
    Varyag77 15 October 2017 11: 23 New
    +1
    Quote: badens1111
    And it is so, envy of those who honestly earned, and did not betray, sold, and now they are even afraid of the rustle of the pillow, no matter what happens.

    And this is not the envy of my friend. it is a revolution. The one you advocate so much for.
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 15 October 2017 12: 33 New
      +5
      And what's wrong with the revolution?
      1. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 15 October 2017 14: 59 New
        +3
        Quote: sabakina
        And what's wrong with the revolution?

        Everything is bad in the revolution. Over the years, it is good to use its fruits (equality-brotherhood). And "living in an era of change" is worse than a nightmare (a heart attack for happiness. Children will not get the horror of life)
        1. badens1111
          badens1111 15 October 2017 16: 21 New
          0
          Quote: Mavrikiy
          And "living in an era of change" is worse than a nightmare (a heart attack for happiness. Children will not get the horror of life)

          That is, with 91 we are in this damned era and live, the time of the counter-revolution?
          Some useful to read and such ..
          I would not want new shocks, a civil war - the confrontation between white and red ... What needs to be done to avoid such a tragic turn of events?

          The cataclysms, civil wars and the entire problematic part of the revolutionary process are not born by rebels, but by the authorities who are not able to meet the challenge of time. This does not happen when society requires urgent changes, but when the government refuses to carry out these changes, and discontent accumulates. There is a famous phrase by Stolypin: “You need great shocks, but we need Great Russia.” But he received a call back not from the revolutionaries, but from the ultimate conservatives, the monarchist deputy Markov threw him: "This is for you, Pyotr Arkadievich, we need Great Russia, and we need Holy Russia."
          https://cont.ws/@mzarezin1307/742010
  15. Varyag77
    Varyag77 15 October 2017 11: 25 New
    +2
    Quote: badens1111
    This is your stupid interpretation, in fact, everything that you have nibbled here belongs to a different force, to the one that you are defending now, being just a servant of capital, you could write harder ... yours are all so touchy when they call you in a proper name, common noun and fully appropriate for you.

    Who is mine? a servant of capital? 22 years attributing epaulettes (and not even cops, but army ones) to a strange concept of capital service. I thought that I was serving the motherland and its people.
    1. badens1111
      badens1111 15 October 2017 11: 30 New
      +2
      Quote: Varyag77
      22 years attributing epaulettes (and not even cops, but army ones) to a strange concept of capital service. I thought that I was serving the motherland and its people.

      Yeah .. I thought .. but unfortunately I didn’t understand anything. You are not the only one who wore epaulets and served you more.
      Quote: Varyag77
      And this is not the envy of my friend. it is a revolution. The one you advocate so much for.

      This is your ridiculous interpretation attributed to me, but in no way consistent with the meaning of what I have written.
      By the way, your "buddies" are sitting in other places, so you should not force yourself into my acquaintances
    2. sabakina
      sabakina 15 October 2017 12: 35 New
      +4
      While you THINK, they pulled home!
      1. Freeman
        Freeman 15 October 2017 21: 56 New
        0
        Quote: sabakina
        While you THINK, they pulled home!

  16. Varyag77
    Varyag77 15 October 2017 11: 35 New
    +1
    Quote: badens1111
    Quote: Varyag77
    22 years attributing epaulettes (and not even cops, but army ones) to a strange concept of capital service. I thought that I was serving the motherland and its people.

    Yeah .. I thought .. but unfortunately I didn’t understand anything. You are not the only one who wore epaulets and served you more.
    Quote: Varyag77
    And this is not the envy of my friend. it is a revolution. The one you advocate so much for.

    This is your ridiculous interpretation attributed to me, but in no way consistent with the meaning of what I have written.
    By the way, your "buddies" are sitting in other places, so you should not force yourself into my acquaintances

    Again my friends. I ask, who are these my friends? Who are they? Who are all these people to whom you attribute me with enviable persistence. Who! give a definition or last name in the end. Whose interests do I represent, or at least defend. I'm burning with curiosity.
    1. badens1111
      badens1111 15 October 2017 11: 54 New
      +1
      Quote: Varyag77
      Again my friends. I ask, who are these my friends?

      You better know, but judging by your statements, for you, many are friends from Bori Berezovsky to all kinds of Abramovichs with bills of exchange.
      Quote: Varyag77
      I'm burning with curiosity.

      Drink water, put out the fire ..
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 15 October 2017 12: 37 New
        +5
        Vlad, can he just pile on him? Well, quietly?
        1. badens1111
          badens1111 15 October 2017 15: 12 New
          0
          Quote: sabakina
          can just pile on him? Well, quietly?

          I doubt very much that this will help .. although sometimes, beating determines consciousness.
  17. Varyag77
    Varyag77 15 October 2017 11: 44 New
    +1
    Quote: badens1111
    Quote: Varyag77
    22 years attributing epaulettes (and not even cops, but army ones) to a strange concept of capital service. I thought that I was serving the motherland and its people.

    Yeah .. I thought .. but unfortunately I didn’t understand anything. You are not the only one who wore epaulets and served you more.
    Quote: Varyag77
    And this is not the envy of my friend. it is a revolution. The one you advocate so much for.

    This is your ridiculous interpretation attributed to me, but in no way consistent with the meaning of what I have written.
    By the way, your "buddies" are sitting in other places, so you should not force yourself into my acquaintances

    And no one doubts that. I am extremely curious about where people like you take me.
    And yes. Nobody was glory of God in the family.
    1. badens1111
      badens1111 15 October 2017 11: 56 New
      +1
      Quote: Varyag77
      I am extremely curious about where people like you take me.

      To the lost in three pines.
      Quote: Varyag77
      Nobody was glory of God in the family.

      This is encouraging. But still, you have a lot to read, but not icteric, so that you do not act as a slander of any different marauders-compradors.
      Are the terms clear? Or in excitement, you think that this is a perfect mat?
    2. sabakina
      sabakina 15 October 2017 12: 41 New
      +5
      Quote: Varyag77
      And yes. Nobody was glory of God in the family.

      By the goers? wink
  18. SMP
    SMP 15 October 2017 12: 10 New
    +2
    Quote: badens1111
    Quote: Dream of the Gods
    Socialism = homosexuality.

    Do you have gender issues, have you missed the site?


    Enough nick ((((son of the gods)))) of this proxy_god laughing and there weren’t any statements, the coverage of the congress, a good informative article, I read it at the military industrial complex about three days ago.
    Maybe he has a reaction to the image of Ho She Minh on the background of Lenin? or some kind of prejudice towards the Vietnamese))))
    In the USSR there was a criminal article for sodomy, this proxy_god thought about the number of criminal cases in only one Moscow if this article were returned to the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation? And very famous people laughing
  19. Varyag77
    Varyag77 15 October 2017 12: 10 New
    +1
    Quote: badens1111
    Quote: Varyag77
    I am extremely curious about where people like you take me.

    To the lost in three pines.
    Quote: Varyag77
    Nobody was glory of God in the family.

    This is encouraging. But still, you have a lot to read, but not icteric, so that you do not act as a slander of any different marauders-compradors.
    Are the terms clear? Or in excitement, you think that this is a perfect mat?

    Hmm. besides laughter, your phrases do not cause anything. That is, people who do not support communism as such, mind you, do not support the idea of ​​social justice, namely communism, form their opinion solely on the basis of the yellow press? Oh well. Well, the last name or "my camp" you will not name. I understand correctly?
    After all, it’s not at all understood that a person is not obliged to adhere to only “red” or only “white” views. Is that hard? After all, there is no way to understand that the opponent does not consider the USSR an evil empire, but does not consider it right not to reveal the mistakes of the Communists. And it is certainly hard to understand that in order to love your country and be proud of it, it is not at all necessary to be a communist.
    After all, it is imperative to label, accuse of misanthropy, attribute to some mysterious “yours” a CIA agent certificate, etc., etc. This is the path to success for sure.
    1. badens1111
      badens1111 15 October 2017 12: 16 New
      +1
      Quote: Varyag77
      Hmm. besides laughter, your phrases do not cause anything.

      Laughter for no reason sign .. continue on yourself?
      Quote: Varyag77
      That is, people who do not support communism as such, mind you, do not support the idea of ​​social justice, namely communism,

      But in fact, what do you know about communism, which, as a matter of fact, has never existed anywhere else yet?
      Quote: Varyag77
      After all, it is imperative to label, accuse of misanthropy, attribute to some mysterious “yours” a CIA agent certificate, etc., etc. This is the path to success for sure.

      But this is done exclusively by you. Read your comments.
    2. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 15 October 2017 16: 40 New
      +1
      Varyag77 Today, 12: 1

      After all, there is no way to understand that the opponent does not consider the USSR an evil empire, but does not consider it right not to reveal the mistakes of the Communists. And it is certainly hard to understand that in order to love your country and be proud of it, it is not at all necessary to be a communist.
      Here, for sure, a split personality.
      1. A loving son stands above a sick Motherland and picks his wounds with his finger: "Mom, what have you got!"
      2. In the USSR, there was real communism built by the communists. There was no other in the world.
      And he has the USSR-good, and the Communists bad. Ward № 6.
  20. SMP
    SMP 15 October 2017 12: 21 New
    +1
    Quote: Boris55
    This is a fundamental difference in understanding the world order.


    As one friend of mine knows, Scythian :-), the subconscious mind gives out the motivation of a person, the four horsemen of the chariot, can be associated with the four horsemen of the apocalypse?
    The Russian Troika is the life of the people, and the Bolshoi Theater is the theater, which has nothing to do with life, for example, the satirikon of the Raikin is the same theater, that is, the theater of the theater of strife, one good another bad, one poor another rich, and the people and its symbol of the Russian Three is always one and indivisible.
  21. SMP
    SMP 15 October 2017 12: 27 New
    0
    Quote: 23rus
    It's a shame to return socialism, you have to return the civil war again, because no one will simply give up theirs.


    Well, why, the palace coups are a Russian tradition, and since now the power from the anointed of God has shifted towards the anointed notes that do not smell, an introduction to the country is enough
    Martial Law, under which the constitution can do a lot without a civil war in the country.
  22. Varyag77
    Varyag77 15 October 2017 12: 35 New
    +1
    Quote: badens1111
    Quote: Varyag77
    Hmm. besides laughter, your phrases do not cause anything.

    Laughter for no reason sign .. continue on yourself?
    Quote: Varyag77
    That is, people who do not support communism as such, mind you, do not support the idea of ​​social justice, namely communism,

    But in fact, what do you know about communism, which, as a matter of fact, has never existed anywhere else yet?
    Quote: Varyag77
    After all, it is imperative to label, accuse of misanthropy, attribute to some mysterious “yours” a CIA agent certificate, etc., etc. This is the path to success for sure.

    But this is done exclusively by you. Read your comments.

    Fear God. Where did I hang a label on whom? You are all Communists through and through. I suppose if you have to drink wine then you drink, not because you like it, but because red laughing

    And on the topic, that is, what can I say?
    Besides. Are you jealous ?. Do you understand the essence of the topic? Or write, for the sake of what to write?
    Do not agree that you will be taken away everything that is acquired? Gee. Justify
    1. badens1111
      badens1111 15 October 2017 15: 17 New
      +1
      Quote: Varyag77
      Where did I hang a label on whom?

      How where? Is that-
      Quote: Varyag77
      You are all Communists through and through

      Have you seen my membership card? Strange, but why didn’t I see him? Do you have hallucinations?
      Quote: Varyag77
      And on the topic, that is, what can I say?

      Did you say anything on the topic? Nothing but the nonsense imposed on the teeth from Svanidze-Mlechin and Chubais.
      Quote: Varyag77
      Do not agree that you will be taken away everything that is acquired?

      Why I do not agree, I agree that is what you and your gentlemen are doing now, taking away from the population everything that they had in the past.
  23. Varyag77
    Varyag77 15 October 2017 12: 49 New
    +1
    Quote: sabakina
    Vlad, can he just pile on him? Well, quietly?

    A.Silenok enough? I doubt it very much.
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 15 October 2017 13: 07 New
      +5
      Judging by its life story, that's enough.
  24. Varyag77
    Varyag77 15 October 2017 12: 50 New
    +1
    Quote: sabakina
    Quote: Varyag77
    And yes. Nobody was glory of God in the family.

    By the goers? wink

    But for such phrases in a good society, a face is applied to the table. More careful cornering
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 15 October 2017 13: 10 New
      +5
      Not I started, not me to finish!
    2. sabakina
      sabakina 15 October 2017 13: 19 New
      +5
      Well, catching up ....
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 15 October 2017 14: 33 New
        +4
        sad to read the site .... Worthy people apparently long understood, gone. swearing in the trash left ....
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 15 October 2017 18: 23 New
          +2
          Quote: Dead Day
          sad to read the site .... Worthy people apparently long understood, gone. swearing in the trash left ....

          Even the professors grappled. sad
    3. badens1111
      badens1111 15 October 2017 15: 21 New
      0
      Quote: Varyag77
      But for such phrases in a good society, a face is applied to the table. More careful cornering

      What is it here, you and a certain Lakhnovsky, are similar, as well as the actor, Basilashvili, a loyal friend of Akhedzhakova, who played Lakhnovsky-himself, he played, only himself, through the entourage of the cinema hero, you correspond to him in exactly the same way.
      The action of the monologue Lakhnovsky takes place during the Great Patriotic War:
      "We? Who are we? You still call us Trotskyists. This is a formidable force. You talk a lot about Trotskyism, but you don’t know ... you can’t imagine what kind of power ... And what retribution awaits Russia! But your damned fanaticism has overcome this power. This will never forgive you, all of Russia, your entire country! The fight is far from over! There are still many of our people in Russia. And beyond its limits even more. You can’t imagine what forces we have, what power ... Only we will act now slowly. With a distant and true sight ... after the war we will go a different way. We will tear out these spiritual roots of Bolshevism, vulgarize and destroy the main foundations of popular morality. In this way, we will shake generation after generation, weaken this Leninist fanaticism. We will take up children from childhood, youth, we will always place the main emphasis on young people, we will begin to corrupt, corrupt, and corrupt it! ”...
  25. Semenov
    Semenov 15 October 2017 14: 32 New
    +3
    Article for professional philosophers. But the traces of socialism in the form of a dam for a pond in 10 square meters. km I saw recently while fishing. And the traces of capitalism in the form of flowering pond due to theft of metal in sewage treatment plants, too. Socialism rules, under him they would have caught crucians.
  26. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 15 October 2017 14: 41 New
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    I wonder who represented Russia at the congress. What was her face there.
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  28. Lieutenant Teterin
    Lieutenant Teterin 15 October 2017 16: 08 New
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    Quote: badens1111
    "Ndrei WOLF, SPS faction, author of the Law on the Protection of the Rights of All Minorities,

    I don’t know such a person. And I’m not familiar with his articles or other works. As for statements about the USSR ... the truth does not depend on whose mouth it is spoken. If this Wulf publicly declares that 2x2 = 4 or that the Earth revolves around the Sun, you will not blame school teachers who say the same thing for solidarity with him?
    1. badens1111
      badens1111 15 October 2017 16: 14 New
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      Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
      I don’t know such a person

      Do you know ATP?
      You brought an unsuccessful example. I’m much more successful. Because of your essentially solidarity with the forces that destroyed the country, and all sorts of trawls were about monarchism now, excuse me, but this is called ..in general medical term.
      In essence, the fact is that all of these ATPs, NTSs like Amnuel, that you, the so-called monarchists, = all one way or another are allies of the West.
  29. fa2998
    fa2998 15 October 2017 16: 22 New
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    Quote: Dream of the Gods
    Socialism = homosexuality. THEREFORE you need to be careful about such statements.

    You fell from a tree! He lived under socialism, for such things there was an article for manhood, they gave real terms! Now I live in the market and capitalism, now this shit has come out, parades, laws for them, in TV and cinema, etc. I think in your equation the first change to CAPITALISM! hi
  30. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 15 October 2017 16: 31 New
    +1
    Quote: mordvin xnumx
    In Russia, the modern article for manhood under the EBN has been canceled.

    Well, what did you want? Who came to power? How not to please a dear little man?
    Blue ate in the Kremlin, and drank too. © January 1998 "Top Secret"
  31. Leonid Dymov
    Leonid Dymov 15 October 2017 17: 01 New
    +1
    Unlike the USSR, the countries of Western civilization were able to build social states or socialism. In Israel, there is even communism in kibbutzim, unlike collective farms with serfdom and the absence of passports among collective farmers.
    The goal of recent revolutions is the destruction of feudal relations, after which capitalism can be built evolutionarily, and then socialism. Lenin and Stalin destroyed the nobility and aristocracy, which owned the land. After the death of Stalin, officials became feudal lords who restored capitalism-feudalism. China has destroyed centuries-old feudal relations, so it is now successfully developing. While clans and feudal bureaucrats will be in the power structure, Russia will not even be able to build normal capitalism, not to mention socialism.
  32. Leonid Dymov
    Leonid Dymov 15 October 2017 17: 11 New
    0
    In the feudal states of Asia, Africa, Latin America, a socialist revolution will inevitably occur. They have to go this way, using the positive and negative experience of Russia and China. While they are conducting religious wars because of their immaturity. The United States is a provocateur and instigator in this process.
  33. Karen
    Karen 15 October 2017 18: 08 New
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    Quote: Dream of the Gods
    Socialism = homosexuality. THEREFORE you need to be careful about such statements.

    Yes, there they can call by any name their kibbutzim (and the country in which they came to power) and the acts there ... the main thing for them is to smear a person with sexual perversions. One and a half thousand years ago, they called under the name of Pavlikianism (Bogomiltsy) ... began with the nationalization of women and homosexuality among men. If I remember correctly, in Ryazan you had a decree on the nationalization of women after the seizure of power by the October Revolution ...
    So the entire population of xUSSR is obliged to exalt Stalin, who saved the country from the 20th century Bogomilites.
    ____
    There, now we have Soros and his pigs give a decisive battle for their rights to mess with the people ...
  34. Hlavaty
    Hlavaty 15 October 2017 20: 32 New
    +1
    it follows that consumption-oriented individualists at all costs (adhering to the liberal idea of ​​“take everything from life”) are not only psychologically, but also physiologically different from antagonists.


    A weighty argument in favor of the ban on "businessmen" to participate in government - they simply have their brains sharpened for profit, not for the public good.
    1. badens1111
      badens1111 15 October 2017 20: 36 New
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      Quote: Hlavaty
      A weighty argument in favor of the ban on "businessmen" to participate in government - they simply have their brains sharpened for profit, not for the public good.

      Hitler is happy?
      1. Hlavaty
        Hlavaty 15 October 2017 20: 39 New
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        Do you have humanity divided only into "businessmen" and "Hitlers"?
        Your karma is heavy ...
        1. badens1111
          badens1111 15 October 2017 20: 58 New
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          Quote: Hlavaty
          Your karma is heavy ...

          You, in the Ruin. Precisely heavy.
  35. Amper
    Amper 15 October 2017 21: 32 New
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    Quote: Sovetskiy
    Quote: Teberii
    The revolution brought to Russia the equal rights of all citizens, albeit through a fratricidal civil war

    It’s interesting, if now comes the moment of nationalization of assets under state control, will you persuade the “elite” with persuasion to give up what you have gained with “honest and overwhelming labor”?)
    As they say, you can try, but who will give it away. But to send - they will send and not only in "three letters". Therefore, there are no alternatives to the forceful method of returning the "privatized" assets of the Chubais-Goydarovsk-Yeltsin Corporation. And this is the same "fratricidal" (only if they are brothers to those who rule) the civil war and whose supporters will be more that will be in the "ladies". Judging by Putin's categorical refusal to review the results of "privatization", the "majority" camp has been determined.


    No one ever gave the loot for nothing ...............
    The people are ALREADY incapable that they are the basis of everything ,,,,,,,
    Snot, blood, wipe, and each for himself ....................
    I want to believe that a wiser Tsar will come, from the outside, this territory will be the beginning of a new superstate, I believe in China, if everything does not burn out in nuclear chaos from muds .. from the United States.
  36. Amper
    Amper 15 October 2017 21: 44 New
    0
    Quote: Amper
    Quote: Sovetskiy
    Quote: Teberii
    The revolution brought to Russia the equal rights of all citizens, albeit through a fratricidal civil war

    It’s interesting, if now comes the moment of nationalization of assets under state control, will you persuade the “elite” with persuasion to give up what you have gained with “honest and overwhelming labor”?)
    As they say, you can try, but who will give it away. But to send - they will send and not only in "three letters". Therefore, there are no alternatives to the forceful method of returning the "privatized" assets of the Chubais-Goydarovsk-Yeltsin Corporation. And this is the same "fratricidal" (only if they are brothers to those who rule) the civil war and whose supporters will be more that will be in the "ladies". Judging by Putin's categorical refusal to review the results of "privatization", the "majority" camp has been determined.


    No one ever gave the loot for nothing ...............
    The people are ALREADY incapable that they are the basis of everything ,,,,,,,
    Snot, blood, wipe, and each for himself ....................
    I want to believe that a wiser Tsar will come, from the outside, this territory will be the beginning of a new superstate, I believe in China, if everything does not burn out in nuclear chaos from muds .. from the United States.


    I would like to add that Crimea and Syria are a nightingale in my tongue ....
  37. Amper
    Amper 15 October 2017 22: 05 New
    +2
    Watching from the heights of the last century, in our own skin, the degradation of society, production, science, education, medicine, and society as a whole, as a result of thieves' restructuring, the meta-formism of the social system, production forces and relations from the EBN, GDP, the red-haired company, the lake is fascists in 1942 r did not cause more damage to Russia than this pack of jackals, without a homeland, without a name, born in the USSR! Traitors to the country!
  38. vasilev
    vasilev 15 October 2017 22: 06 New
    +1
    I am for socialism, but not for communism, the international, and the other heresies that were in the USSR. "A nation that does not have a national identity is dung, on which other nations grow" (P.A. Stolypin). In the USSR there was a mixture of peoples, as a result of which they lost their national identity.
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 15 October 2017 22: 17 New
      +2
      Quote: vasilev
      “A people without national identity is dung on which other peoples grow” (P.A. Stolypin). In the USSR there was a mixture of peoples, as a result of which they lost their national identity.

      Comrade But those fascist tanks stopped by Panfilov’s division, well, this division wasn’t mono-ethnic — that's for sure! But that “Soldier's Father” is really propaganda?
      There was a great ethnically called Soviet Man! Is Maresyev just Russian or Soviet?
      No need to divide nationalities in that Great War!
      1. vasilev
        vasilev 16 October 2017 12: 03 New
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        After the revolution, all the nationalities of the USSR were in the position of half-slaves of the Soviet government and the Cheka, consisting of Jews. And before the war, they called the Russians "older brothers" among the peoples of the USSR. Even the nationalist (but anti-German) film "Alexander Nevsky", shot by Jew Eisenstein, appeared. Orders appeared Suvorov, Ushakova. And after the war, "the Moor has done his job, the Moor may die" —the USSR itself declared the empire of evil in the world and in it itself was strictly punished for any manifestations of nationalism.
  39. Amper
    Amper 15 October 2017 22: 17 New
    0
    Quote: Leonid Dymov
    Unlike the USSR, the countries of Western civilization were able to build social states or socialism. In Israel, there is even communism in kibbutzim, unlike collective farms with serfdom and the absence of passports among collective farmers.
    The goal of recent revolutions is the destruction of feudal relations, after which capitalism can be built evolutionarily, and then socialism. Lenin and Stalin destroyed the nobility and aristocracy, which owned the land. After the death of Stalin, officials became feudal lords who restored capitalism-feudalism. China has destroyed centuries-old feudal relations, so it is now successfully developing. While clans and feudal bureaucrats will be in the power structure, Russia will not even be able to build normal capitalism, not to mention socialism.

    Kibutsi is the rule of the strong, the Israelis, the weak Ethiopians, as a rule. Everyone is happy (!?)
    The social system was embodied for a long time only in one country of the USSR (it seems that science fiction writers, Bradbury), they had, as it were, all equal, but there were no sausages, jeans, layers, cars - the foundations of civilization, thieves rebelled, relying on suckers, and were after that happy. Until the next change of government.
  40. Lieutenant Teterin
    Lieutenant Teterin 16 October 2017 14: 35 New
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    badens1111,
    Quote: badens1111
    And? And they were brought up in a family?

    Here is how? Now your families are already wrong and Khrushchev is to blame for everything. And who brought this Khrushchev to power? CIA agents (which did not exist then) or what? And where did the party control commission look? Which was supposed to check the biographies of the highest party officials. Are there also "traitors and opportunists"? If so, then what kind of party does it turn out for you, which consists entirely of traitors?
    Quote: badens1111
    Yeah, and there it’s the same prince. Yusupov — a homosexual, a certain grand prince, Nikolai is there, I’m afraid to make a mistake, but there was the same thing in general among yours, before the fig was of any unnatural nature

    Of course. Based on several examples, you begin to massively blame the entire aristocracy, forgetting that the people you mentioned: a) after the discovery of the facts, fascinations with perversions became pariahs among aristocrats;
    b) never engaged in a policy of dissemination of perversions and their propaganda. Unlike.
    And speaking of perverts in the managerial stratum, do not forget “Comrade Yezhov” (or Yagoda, I don’t remember one of them two), from whom they found ... extremely “interesting” objects during the arrest (about which there was an article on “VO”), the dearest Mrs. Kollontai with her "theory of a glass of water" and a number of other, no less remarkable personalities.
    Quote: badens1111
    This is all nonsense, the experience of China shows how to build power and its transfer

    Yes Yes. When the head of state is elected by representatives, elected representatives of representatives ... and so on. And as a result, the country's leadership has no real connection with the population. What does this lead to - look at least the data on the environmental situation in China. In modern monarchies, the principle of the sole non-elected head of state is at least combined with independent local government with broad powers. To understand how this works, see the LSG system in Denmark, Belgium, Spain or the zemstvo system in the Republic of Ingushetia. Moreover, in the latter case, it is necessary to read directly the law on zemstvos and budget reports of zemstvos.
    Quote: badens1111
    I read, I do not share. A dream of reason and hallucinations on the topic of intellectual dreams.

    Well, if you are the work of a person with a gold medal who graduated from high school and wrote more than a dozen publications, advising the government in the field of labor law reform (Tikhomirov) and a person whose three-page works the NKVD used and who published dozens of articles in early Soviet journals (Solonevich) you call " hallucinations, "I can conclude that you simply did not master them, but do not want to admit it. Especially Tikhomirova, whose “Monarchist statehood”, according to the degree of elaboration and analysis of the material, stands at the level of the best academic works in the field of history, sociology and political science.
    Quote: badens1111
    A hint of Small Britain?

    UK? Excuse me generously, I don’t know such a country. But Great Britain, Belgium, Spain, the Netherlands, Norway and Sweden.
  41. Varyag77
    Varyag77 16 October 2017 17: 27 New
    +1
    Quote: badens1111
    Quote: Varyag77
    But for such phrases in a good society, a face is applied to the table. More careful cornering

    What is it here, you and a certain Lakhnovsky, are similar, as well as the actor, Basilashvili, a loyal friend of Akhedzhakova, who played Lakhnovsky-himself, he played, only himself, through the entourage of the cinema hero, you correspond to him in exactly the same way.
    The action of the monologue Lakhnovsky takes place during the Great Patriotic War:
    "We? Who are we? You still call us Trotskyists. This is a formidable force. You talk a lot about Trotskyism, but you don’t know ... you can’t imagine what kind of power ... And what retribution awaits Russia! But your damned fanaticism has overcome this power. This will never forgive you, all of Russia, your entire country! The fight is far from over! There are still many of our people in Russia. And beyond its limits even more. You can’t imagine what forces we have, what power ... Only we will act now slowly. With a distant and true sight ... after the war we will go a different way. We will tear out these spiritual roots of Bolshevism, vulgarize and destroy the main foundations of popular morality. In this way, we will shake generation after generation, weaken this Leninist fanaticism. We will take up children from childhood, youth, we will always place the main emphasis on young people, we will begin to corrupt, corrupt, and corrupt it! ”...

    Cirrhosis of the brain. burn yet
  42. Varyag77
    Varyag77 16 October 2017 17: 34 New
    +1
    Quote: sabakina
    Not I started, not me to finish!

    Hear the little man. First you decide on your floor, otherwise I have the feeling that I’m talking with hermophrodite. Either he gets into someone else's dialogue there, then later like a girl. I'm not. I'm not my cow. I don’t understand whoever brought your flock to the site. All your shobla would have been inadequate three years ago in turtles from head to toe. Inadequate, rude, arrogant .. Where did you all get out of? What did the new owners of the site call?
    then not a single old-timer left here. Normal people are gone. The site is filled with upstarts with delusions of grandeur and completely alternative thinking. My congratulations to the Owners.
    Oleg .. Alexey. are you not disgusted to write for such an audience. ????
    I remember you by others. like this site. sorry. It was once a good resource.
    Tersky, Esaul, Romanov, Sparrow, Ascetic, and many others. Where are you all friends. where did you go. ???? I understand why you are no longer here.
  43. askme
    askme 18 October 2017 14: 30 New
    +1
    Yeah, schaz, lip rolled out by the Leninists of the former CPSU (who did not snatch anything in the process of its collapse)))) Socialism with a market economy now. As in China and Vietnam)) There is no planned economy. Even North Korea is moving to a market system gradually)
  44. Sagan_bator
    Sagan_bator 25 January 2018 16: 51 New
    0
    I fully agree with what was written in the article. I would like to mention "cryptocommunism", the main essence of which is not in personal gain, but in those opportunities that blockchain technology and in general, opens up for us, the development of science and production.