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Bulgarian Cabinet of Ministers initiates the abolition of anti-Russian sanctions

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The Minister for the Bulgarian Presidency of the EU Council, Lilyana Pavlova, confirmed the information previously published in the Bulgarian media that official Sofia would raise the issue of lifting anti-Russian sanctions. This will happen, according to Pavlova, in January 2018, when Bulgaria will take over the presidency of the Council of the European Union.


Bulgarian Cabinet of Ministers initiates the abolition of anti-Russian sanctions


Earlier that the issue of the need to lift the sanctions against Russia will be raised early next year, said the head of the Bulgarian government, Boyko Borisov. The same Borisov, who earlier noted that Bulgaria, a member of NATO, should consider Russia as a threat, since NATO defines Russia as the "main threat to the alliance." According to Borisov, all this should not in the end hinder the dialogue with Moscow on economic cooperation.

Lilyana Pavlova:
Prime Minister Borisov and the entire Bulgarian Cabinet consider it necessary to put on the agenda of the discussion at the EU Council the issue of lifting the sanctions on the Russian Federation. This question we consider a priority. It is necessary to discuss the issue of lifting anti-Russian sanctions in an open format, to analyze, clarify the damage to the European economy from the many years of economic restrictions. I confirm that the topic is a priority for us.


Earlier, Deputy Prime Minister of Bulgaria Iliana Yotova stated that there was no point in extending sanctions against the Russian Federation, since “they had no effect (on Russia)”.
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  1. Not served
    Not served 11 October 2017 14: 27 New
    26
    No, nafig. We will lobby so as not to be canceled. Or else we’ll stir up the thread.
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 11 October 2017 14: 32 New
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      Quote: Not served
      No, nafig. We will lobby so as not to be canceled. Or else we’ll stir up the thread.

      They will have to invade somewhere, or even the sanctions will be lifted.
      1. Logall
        Logall 11 October 2017 14: 38 New
        16
        Kab min was afraid of the anger of his own people. We managed to avoid one coup, another may not succeed!
        1. Topotun
          Topotun 11 October 2017 14: 39 New
          +4
          It is unlikely that I strongly doubt that the people of Bulgaria will begin to buzz. Yes, there are enough dissatisfied (probably), but no more.
          1. Logall
            Logall 11 October 2017 14: 42 New
            13
            Laurels from Tula will bring gingerbread!
            How will the `` area '' be in Bulgarian?
            1. Topotun
              Topotun 11 October 2017 14: 48 New
              +4
              Why the hell are we? Buza in Bulgaria for Russia does not give anything. Well, boil in their own juice and God bless them ...
              1. Logall
                Logall 11 October 2017 15: 05 New
                16
                It is time for the Orthodox to return to their "fold"! They will perish without guardianship. Not for us Orthodox, Western pseudo values!
                Not all the same instantly measure. It is necessary to give tribute to the ancestors ...
                1. Young_Communist
                  Young_Communist 11 October 2017 15: 13 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Logall
                  It is time for the Orthodox to return to their "fold"! They will perish without guardianship. Not for us Orthodox, Western pseudo values!
                  Not all the same instantly measure. It is necessary to give tribute to the ancestors ...


                  The only way to pay tribute to the ancestors is to renounce the Roman-Judean sect called "Christianity", which failed in the 17th year an exam on the ability to unite people and return to the faith of grandfathers!

                  1. Logall
                    Logall 11 October 2017 15: 58 New
                    16
                    You can pay tribute to your ancestors as you wish!
                    I’m already looking at the club, it’s time to go to the cave ... Or better, on a palm tree!
                    God has no nationality! Like the `` faith '' !!!
                    1. Setrac
                      Setrac 11 October 2017 16: 26 New
                      0
                      Quote: Logall
                      God has no nationality! Like the `` faith '' !!!

                      But religion has a nationality and state affiliation
                    2. Young_Communist
                      Young_Communist 11 October 2017 16: 34 New
                      +3
                      Quote: Logall
                      God has no nationality!

                      First of all, which of the gods / goddesses are we talking about? Let's say Jesus Yosifovich, most definitely, according to permanent residence - a Jew. Quetzalcoatl - Latin. Allah is Arab, Odin is Scandinavian, etc.
                      Quote: Logall
                      Like the `` faith '' !!!

                      Go to the territory of ISIS and there justify the broads that the faith does not have a nationality, and then we will look at you on LiveLik in an orange suit.
                  2. Mavrikiy
                    Mavrikiy 11 October 2017 16: 23 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Young_Communist
                    Quote: Logall
                    It is time for the Orthodox to return to their "fold"! They will perish without guardianship. Not for us Orthodox, Western pseudo values!
                    Not all the same instantly measure. It is necessary to give tribute to the ancestors ...


                    The only way to pay tribute to the ancestors is to renounce the Roman-Judean sect called "Christianity", which failed in the 17th year an exam on the ability to unite people and return to the faith of grandfathers!


                    Sorry, but my god didn’t call me a fool. Why are you making a hunchback?
                    Where did you get from what manuals the bastard, lop-eared, stupid? Both teachers and you got along.
                    Young communist, Yaroslavsky is your last name, not Koba.
                    1. Logall
                      Logall 11 October 2017 16: 32 New
                      15
                      You will poke to the one who does not call you in any way!
                      I do not impose faith on you, I was talking about the Orthodox ...
                      You can cut out any idol for yourself ...
                      1. Mavrikiy
                        Mavrikiy 11 October 2017 16: 36 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Logall
                        You will poke to the one who does not call you in any way!
                        I do not impose faith on you, I was talking about the Orthodox ...
                        You can cut out any idol for yourself ...

                        Go yourself in peace. Who turned to you? Energetic you are ours.
                    2. LSA57
                      LSA57 11 October 2017 17: 08 New
                      +7
                      Quote: Mavrikiy
                      Young communist, Yaroslavsky is your last name, not Koba.

                      and here is another adept
                  3. Velizariy
                    Velizariy 11 October 2017 16: 26 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Young_Communist
                    The only way to pay tribute to the ancestors

                    And where did your god go, how did it quickly retire, leaving you to scold?
                2. _Ugene_
                  _Ugene_ 11 October 2017 16: 01 New
                  +1
                  And you asked the Orthodox, do they need it? Or will we forcefully return to the "bosom"?
                  1. Logall
                    Logall 11 October 2017 16: 07 New
                    14
                    As if again, we didn’t have to beat Basurman ...
                    All of Europe is heading for this!
                    1. _Ugene_
                      _Ugene_ 11 October 2017 16: 37 New
                      0
                      This Orthodox help comes to us sideways, but they don’t appreciate it, they are now nicer to NATO, now let them protect them there.
                      1. Mavrikiy
                        Mavrikiy 11 October 2017 16: 58 New
                        0
                        Quote: _Ugene_
                        This Orthodox help comes to us sideways, but they don’t appreciate it, they are now nicer to NATO, now let them protect them there.

                        Not everything is so intended. On the contrary, the more opinions the more maneuver. Busurman-NATO-WE. It turns out stupidly - where there is power, there is the upper hand. And when NATO is heterogeneous and the bus-men are blurred, there are already options ... "Take your time!" (wedding in Robin)
            2. pytar
              pytar 12 October 2017 10: 36 New
              +3
              How will the `` area '' be in Bulgarian?

              Almost like in Russian - area. Just one letter difference. laughing
        2. 210ox
          210ox 11 October 2017 14: 52 New
          +1
          They didn’t get scared? What anger? They simply “rode having fun, counted, shed a tear” It’s banal, just a loss. Only then there will be a shout and they will stand upright out of anger .. Zashtatnikovsky
          Quote: Logall
          Kab min was afraid of the anger of his own people. We managed to avoid one coup, another may not succeed!
        3. Slovak
          Slovak 11 October 2017 21: 07 New
          0
          So the sanctions work quite tangibly against the same Bulgarian sloths. In no case should you cancel the counter-sanctions!
          1. pytar
            pytar 12 October 2017 14: 01 New
            +3
            So the sanctions work quite tangibly against the same Bulgarian sloths. In no case should you cancel the counter-sanctions!

            You do not have ANY clue about the real situation! no In Bulgaria, 5 years underperform export is growing at 11% per year. In 2016, there was a record - 23,6 billion euros! In 2017, goods of the entire 500 million of the euro were exported to the Russian Federation. Not much, but it’s 13% growth in comparison with 2016. There is potential and it must be realized, because it’s in the interest of both countries. wink
      2. LSA57
        LSA57 11 October 2017 14: 42 New
        10
        Quote: Setrac
        They will have to invade somewhere, or even the sanctions will be lifted.

        completely insolent, push to capture kuev am
      3. rapier
        rapier 11 October 2017 14: 47 New
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        Quote: Setrac
        Quote: Not served
        No, nafig. We will lobby so as not to be canceled. Or else we’ll stir up the thread.

        They will have to invade somewhere, or even the sanctions will be lifted.

        I’m wondering what Bulgaria produces, with such fanfare, announcing its intention to fight the lifting of anti-Russian sanctions. Or they don’t know that the purchasing power of Russians in 2017 is not the same as purchasing power in 2013, before all of these sanction cases.
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 11 October 2017 14: 55 New
          0
          Quote: rapier
          what Bulgaria produces

          "friendship of peoples"?
          1. pytar
            pytar 12 October 2017 11: 31 New
            +2
            "friendship of peoples"?

            The export of Bulgarian products over the past 5 years has been growing from 11% annually! In 2016, exports reached a record 23,6 billion euro! The production and export of electrical wires, electronics are growing at the fastest pace. Bulgarian products are mainly sold in the EU, as well as around the world. Until October 2017, exports to Russia amounted to 500 million euros and increased from 13% in comparison with 2016. Of course, it is necessary to work on the friendship of peoples, which is completely normal and necessary!
        2. pytar
          pytar 12 October 2017 11: 09 New
          +3
          I’m wondering what Bulgaria produces, with such fanfare it announces its intention to fight the lifting of anti-Russian sanctions.

          But I’m wondering - "... Bulgaria ... informing about the intention to fight for the lifting of anti-Russian sanctions .." - this is a pump!?!? Esli reinforce the continuation of the sanctions, it is - "... Bulgarians, traitors, enemies, are ungrateful ..."?!?! It turns out that some forum users are never happy with anything! In fact, a statement by Bulgarian officials agreed with Moscow. In the Bulgarian media, such information has leaked.
    2. Vend
      Vend 11 October 2017 14: 33 New
      +1
      To lift does not mean to remove.
      1. Chelentanych
        Chelentanych 11 October 2017 14: 36 New
        +2
        Yes, and the same Bulgarians will not shoot, "Brothers" no longer have faith.
        1. LSA57
          LSA57 11 October 2017 14: 44 New
          +9
          Quote: Chelentanich
          Yes, and the same Bulgarians will not shoot, "Brothers" no longer have faith.

          there may be no faith, but they are not so rich that they lose money due to sanctions. they have already suffered from gas
      2. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 12 October 2017 18: 03 New
        0
        Quote: Wend
        To lift does not mean to remove.

        You are late. Take a look at the parallel branches. Already the Ruin and the Baltic states were sent with an EXTENSION. So "someone knew something." But I do not mind.
    3. Andrey K
      Andrey K 11 October 2017 14: 39 New
      14
      Quote: Not served
      No, nafig. We will lobby so as not to be canceled. Or else we’ll stir up the thread.

      With all due respect to our little brothers, to our kindred spirit and faith, the phrase:
      ... Bulgarian Cabinet of Ministers initiates the lifting of anti-Russian sanctions ...

      nothing but contempt for the "leadership" of this "independent" state does not cause ...
      Over the past 3-5 years, this weather vane called “The Supreme Political Leadership of the Republic of Bulgaria” is spinning at incredible speed. I do not want to compare these figures with a "girl with low social responsibility," but somehow she herself. It really hurts often this "guide" in flight changes shoes ...
      But the warmest feelings for the Bulgarians, you only need to recall the incident at the NATO exercises in Romania, when the soldiers and officers of the Bulgarian Army refused to shoot at targets reminiscent of Russians - the action of ordinary Bulgarians, causing respect ...
      1. rapier
        rapier 11 October 2017 14: 50 New
        +3
        Quote: Andrey K
        Quote: Not served
        No, nafig. We will lobby so as not to be canceled. Or else we’ll stir up the thread.

        With all due respect to our little brothers, to our kindred spirit and faith, the phrase:
        ... Bulgarian Cabinet of Ministers initiates the lifting of anti-Russian sanctions ...

        nothing but contempt for the "leadership" of this "independent" state does not cause ...
        Over the past 3-5 years, this weather vane called “The Supreme Political Leadership of the Republic of Bulgaria” is spinning at incredible speed. I do not want to compare these figures with a "girl with low social responsibility," but somehow she herself. It really hurts often this "guide" in flight changes shoes ...
        But the warmest feelings for the Bulgarians, you only need to recall the incident at the NATO exercises in Romania, when the soldiers and officers of the Bulgarian Army refused to shoot at targets reminiscent of Russians - the action of ordinary Bulgarians, causing respect ...

        The Bulgarians in life, as I think, do not shoot at anyone - they do not care. smile
    4. Spnsr
      Spnsr 11 October 2017 15: 06 New
      0
      Prime Minister Borisov and the entire Cabinet of Ministers of Bulgaria consider it necessary to include on the agenda of the discussion at the EU Council the issue of lifting sanctions from the Russian Federation.
      here wimps, they can’t finish anything! Cancel sanctions !? Maybe then to dance to the tune of Russia? All of Europe !!!
    5. Med_Dog
      Med_Dog 11 October 2017 15: 40 New
      0
      Oh, sure, sanctions are good !!!
    6. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 11 October 2017 16: 17 New
      +1
      Quote: Not served
      No, nafig. We will lobby so as not to be canceled. Or else we’ll stir up the thread.

      Is logical. I propose the occupation of "Sunny Beach". Bulgaria was the "16th republic", let it be the first wife. On the other hand, what are the little things, NATO members: Greece, Smoked sprats, and horny for a long time afflicting ...... Eyes fled. We’ll complete the gas pipelines, it seems in 2018. : Blue-2, North-2, The Power of Siberia .... And pray to God begin, I put the United States will no longer be on the map.
      But to be honest, you need to put (+), they know that it will not go to the EU, but we will not mow. Moreover, the Turks are among our friends. And the GDP is Great and terrible, maybe the Turks can ban the supply of gas to Bulgaria. No, the Bulgarians are nice guys.
    7. Juborg
      Juborg 11 October 2017 16: 24 New
      0
      Apparently the fingers have already sucked on, even on my feet! Not what, sanctions, then sanctions! Let them lay down once more under the Turks.
    8. sgazeev
      sgazeev 11 October 2017 16: 56 New
      0
      Quote: Not served
      No, nafig. We will lobby so as not to be canceled. Or else we’ll stir up the thread.

      I am for this. All the more, hear from the mouths of eggplant. There is no faith for them. good
  2. Dezinto
    Dezinto 11 October 2017 14: 28 New
    +2
    Ahahah
    Bulgaria has risen about the pipe, about the sanctions, and now suddenly such discoveries ........))))))))
    1. pytar
      pytar 12 October 2017 12: 02 New
      +2
      "Bulgaria has improved on the pipe, on the sanctions, and now all of a sudden such discoveries ........))))))))"
      The "hypotheses" are different, but let's face it with the facts ...
      As for the pipes ... UP was originally on the verge of profitability! They don’t tell you about the media! New by topic: In the past year at the Russian-Bulgarian Economic Forum, the Russian side said that Russia is interested in the resumption of UP. We are talking about another route to Bulgaria, through the Crimea, which at 2 billion euro is cheaper than the original version.
      As for the sanctions ... Bulgarian exports to Russia until October 2017 amounted to 500 million euros. Which is by 13% more than in the whole 2016. For comparison, the total export of Bulgaria for 2016 amounted to a record 23,6 billion euro! 5 years already grows annually with 11%!
      So, BETWEEN BULGARIA AND RUSSIA EVERYTHING WILL BE GOOD! good
  3. Komsomol
    Komsomol 11 October 2017 14: 29 New
    +4
    You can’t understand the little brothers, so they are FOR us (taking into account all that was common between us in history), or NO? The mysterious Slavic soul, for myself, I still could not find the answer to this question ...
    1. Dezinto
      Dezinto 11 October 2017 14: 31 New
      0
      Mysterious Slavic soul - for myself, I never found


      Ta-daaam, here you are.
      1. Komsomol
        Komsomol 11 October 2017 14: 36 New
        +4
        Oh, and here you are, answer, the smartest of the smart ones, the Bulgarian brothers? Given that two world wars fought against us, or all the same brothers, well, let's say, like the Serbs who never raised arms against Russians? What do you tell me, a storehouse of wisdom , O sun-faced (forgive me, that from a small letter, illiterate, s) !!! I listen to your lips, the truth that says .........
        1. Dezinto
          Dezinto 11 October 2017 14: 38 New
          0
          I have never said that they are brothers to us. And no, I do not pretend for a storehouse of wisdom. Just answer one question - who are you for?
          Just pour gasoline on everyone?
        2. LSA57
          LSA57 11 October 2017 14: 48 New
          +7
          Quote: Komsomol
          Given that two world wars fought against us,

          maybe they could fight, but not a single bullet came to our side
    2. dvina71
      dvina71 11 October 2017 14: 39 New
      +3
      What is there a mysterious in Bulgaria ..already a Slavic soul? The Turks, they .., although they assimilated the local Slavs .., but then almost 500lem they were assimilated by the Turks. You at least look at the enlightened face of the girl in the photo in the article .. pure Turkic blood.
      1. Komsomol
        Komsomol 11 October 2017 14: 42 New
        +4
        I agree, but it’s just a cliche such that the brothers say, all that is, Slavs, bros ... For me personally the Serbs are big Brothers and Slavs.
        1. Thunderbolt
          Thunderbolt 11 October 2017 15: 04 New
          +4
          At the time of the police department, we did not hold troops in Bulgaria, this is a high confidence measure.
          If we raise our authority to the previous level, then they will undoubtedly be with us. In the meantime, they survive in NATO and the EU or is there an alternative for such a small country?
        2. dvina71
          dvina71 11 October 2017 15: 04 New
          +3
          In fact, there is no harmonious theory of the origin of the Slavs in the Balkans. For example, Karamzin wrote in the game that the ancestors of the Russians were noted in the united Roman Empire .. and the document cited. Then they took part in campaigns against Rome. Used them to open the tight construction of the Roman army. They didn’t know the cavalry, but they possessed the skills and abilities of contact fighting and were very clever. Since most trips to Rome were banal robbery ... our ancestors got their jackpot ... Karamzin separately noted that they were interested in tools and weapons .. jewelry not a priority, so they were easily parted, with difficulties on the way back. The way back just through the Balkans. Someone did not want to go to their native northern forests .. so they appeared in their usual forests. But in the mountains and much south. And now the question is ... what could have served them to do so? Laziness .. cunning .. and there was a natural selection .. Slavs .. in Russian .. and not really. But this is just a theory ... although over the years it seems to be a reality.
      2. Spnsr
        Spnsr 11 October 2017 15: 19 New
        +3
        Quote: dvina71
        What is there a mysterious in Bulgaria ..already a Slavic soul? The Turks, they .., although they assimilated the local Slavs .., but then almost 500lem they were assimilated by the Turks. You at least look at the enlightened face of the girl in the photo in the article .. pure Turkic blood.
        . Even 30 years ago there was no such thing as a Turk! There were Turkic-speaking tribes, but this is not the same ...!
        And the Turk appeared later, for the further collapse of Russia under the influence of the idea of ​​the Turks.
        This is how the nationality of the Turks led to the collapse of the Ottoman Empire and the genocide of many who did not want to be a Turk!
        By the way, is Turk a race?
        My friend has a Turkic-speaking wife, but apparently she looks more like a Slav in comparison with a friend with whom even Kadyrov is Russian !!! And the comrade says that he is Russian, and his mother and father are Russian, and their ancestors
        1. dvina71
          dvina71 11 October 2017 15: 26 New
          +1
          Well, science does not stand still. I don’t know for sure .. but 30 years ago they didn’t say anything about the Turkic outcome .. Now it is believed that the ancestors developed somewhere in the region of Siberia and the Urals .. then there was an outcome .. through the steppes to Arabia, the Caucasus ... well, part came to Europe and the Slavic population was assimilated there; Bulgarians appeared.
          And where did the Turkic-speaking tribes come from? Who taught them this language?
    3. sgazeev
      sgazeev 11 October 2017 16: 58 New
      +1
      Quote: Komsomol
      You can’t understand the little brothers, so they are FOR us (taking into account all that was common between us in history), or NO? The mysterious Slavic soul, for myself, I still could not find the answer to this question ...

      They have eggplant instead of a soul.
    4. pytar
      pytar 12 October 2017 13: 06 New
      +3
      You can’t understand the little brothers, so they are FOR us (taking into account all that was common between us in history), or NO? The mysterious Slavic soul, for myself, I still could not find the answer to this question ...

      The answer is very simple and has always been before my eyes! Bulgarians are ALWAYS FOR RUSSIA, when she is for them! It is a normal, adequate reaction among the Bulgarians! Happened in history, Russian interests changed and sometimes came into conflict with the important, vital interests of Bulgaria. What can you do ... The world is so arranged. There is a millennial connection between our peoples and countries. Now, anti-Russian and anti-Bulgarian propaganda are conducting certain forces from foam to mouth, respectively, here and here. They emphasize the negative, deliberately forgetting that the positive is thousands of times more! You walk on the Russian-language forums! In Vesde, the same stamps dazzle - "in all wars they fought against us ...", the Bulgarians are traitors ... "," the Bulgarians are not Slavs, but Türks ... "etc. etc. ... These forces work against the interests of Russia and Bulgaria! drinks
  4. den3080
    den3080 11 October 2017 14: 34 New
    +1
    this news inspired a children's saying:
    it’s good to be a cat, a good dog - where I want to pee, where I want to poke.

    in this case, of course, it’s quite the opposite: the older brothers in the EU “launch the berlag” - look at the reaction of all sorts of different Young Europeans ... and so on.
  5. volodya
    volodya 11 October 2017 14: 38 New
    0
    In give bros! One can see a little euro throwing them papers west! What did not miss?
    1. LSA57
      LSA57 11 October 2017 15: 03 New
      +6
      Quote: volodya
      What did not miss?

      and to whom from small enough? large and those already cast a vote on cancellation, so what to take from these
    2. pytar
      pytar 12 October 2017 13: 15 New
      +2
      In give bros! One can see a little euro throwing them papers west! What did not miss?

      It's amazing how you see some kind of negative in everything! belay Apparently you are not aware of the economic performance of Bulgaria in recent years. For a country like Bulgaria that does not have any significant resources and resources, a very good result is obtained. We believe that this will continue to be so. Improvements in relations with Russia, natural and natural. Especially in view of the traditional friendship between our peoples. hi
  6. Berkut24
    Berkut24 11 October 2017 14: 47 New
    +1
    This will happen, according to Pavlova, in January 2018, when Bulgaria will assume the presidency of the Council of the European Union.

    Does the EU have such powers?
    For reference. The sanctions were introduced unanimously by a joint decision of the EU foreign ministers. And the EU foreign ministers are appointed by agreement with the US State Department and cannot take decisions on their own without looking at Washington. Even if Bulgaria wants to lift the sanctions, the Minister of Foreign Affairs will vote against it, because they hold him for one place from another place, and in vain the Bulgarians think that his boss is in Sofia. In order to cancel something, you need 100% of the EU countries to have sovereignty and want this.
  7. fif21
    fif21 11 October 2017 14: 51 New
    +1
    Russia has always advocated equal partnerships with all countries. Business, nothing personal. hi
    1. Spnsr
      Spnsr 11 October 2017 15: 24 New
      0
      Quote: fif21
      Russia has always advocated equal partnerships with all countries. Business, nothing personal. hi

      Forgot to add, you give sanctions more and more laughing
  8. svp67
    svp67 11 October 2017 15: 16 New
    +2
    official Sofia will raise the issue of lifting anti-Russian sanctions
    , yeah, and they can cross-stitch ... America's banal divorce for money. We are now HOW to abolish anti-Russian sanctions, but we can change our minds, but for a fee.
    There, in the governments, a corrupt official is a corrupt official, on which their States burned and blackmailed so that Bulgaria would abandon our "Stream"
    1. pytar
      pytar 12 October 2017 13: 23 New
      +2
      There, in the governments, a corrupt official is a corrupt official, on which their States burned and blackmailed so that Bulgaria would abandon our "Stream"

      Corruption on high floors is, no doubt! But this is also in the Russian Federation. Moreover, in much larger sizes. If ours steal in millions, then yours steal in billions of euros. wink As for UP, you will never understand anything about the real situation if you receive information only from Russian-language media. Everything about UP is written for them, as with a parallel universe. hi
      1. svp67
        svp67 12 October 2017 16: 42 New
        +1
        Quote: pytar
        If ours steal millions, then yours steal billions of euros.

        Dear, but here’s the question, but you can at least reduce the order of numbers on our part ... As for us, the euro is not in special honor ...
        Quote: pytar
        As for UP, you will never understand anything about the real situation if you receive information only from Russian-language media. Everything about UP is written for them, as with a parallel universe.

        I can say the same thing about your media ....
        1. pytar
          pytar 12 October 2017 17: 31 New
          +2
          Dear, but here’s the question, but you can at least reduce the order of numbers on our part ... As for us, the euro is not in special honor ...

          It's not about the types of currencies and the exact numbers (there are none), but about the scale of countries ... Where there is more dough, there is more corruption. Fine. wink
          I can say the same thing about your media ....

          I agree. I can compare, since I crawl and wallpaper languages. All media are lying. In UP, "our" media and politicians distorted the truth by about 50%, and "yours" by 90% laughing Okay. This is their own thoughts. bully As for UP, I know the real situation in detail. He worked on its technical part for several years. I do not want to go into details. For part of the fakes I have a logical explanation, for the other part I can only imagine ... no
          1. svp67
            svp67 13 October 2017 06: 10 New
            +1
            Quote: pytar
            Where there is more dough, there is more corruption. Fine.

            More accurately ... and here we can compare where this dough is most, and mean ..... Oh, how undemocratic it is.
            Quote: pytar
            In UP, “our” media and politicians distorted the truth by about 50%, and “yours” by 90%

            What a strange statement. How can you distort the truth in 90% in a country that was ready to pay for all this?
            Quote: pytar
            He worked on its technical part for several years.

            But did UP problems arise in technical stagnation? There is politics, pure politics .... Someone, we will not say who, but who have the dough the most, since they print it as much as you want, began to clear the site for its "shale gas"
            1. pytar
              pytar 13 October 2017 09: 12 New
              +3
              More accurately ... and here we can compare where this dough is most, and mean ..... Oh, how undemocratic it is.

              svp67 I don’t want to offend Russians as a nation! Not the fault of the people about corruption! It is so in Bulgaria! The reason for rampant corruption lies in the origin of the ruling class! Our and your relatives ... As indeed our peoples are related! smile
              What a strange statement. How can you distort the truth in 90% in a country that was ready to pay for all this?

              It looks strange to you because you don’t know the details. When they laid UP, Gazprom was ready to pay "for all this." And when the sanctions started, Gazprom got a strain from the expenses. UP itself was more of a political project. Expensive and on the verge of profitability under certain conditions. But the conditions have changed. The management of Gazprom made a bunch of critical mistakes. The Russian media will not write about this. Of the thousands of materials in Russian media, I found only one more or less objective publication, and it came ... from Gazprom! It was later really removed from the company's website ... The topic is very extensive and it is unlikely that it should be unwound here. Maybe if I find the time, I will write and I am a statist. We will see ... hi
              But did UP problems arise in technical stagnation? There is politics, pure politics ....

              On the technical side, there were also problems, but not significant. As hinted, some conditions have changed. This is after the Crimea joined. A new low-cost alternative has emerged, but so far is not applicable due to politics ... This is a hint to you ... Just look at the map ... wink Six months, as surveys of the bottom of the Black Sea go west of Crimea ... without noise ... bully It is true that everything there is connected with politics. The United States had a hand and put a stick in the wheels of UP. But by that time, the Russian Federation itself was looking for a way to leave it without image and financial losses ... So there was a pretext! Paradoxically, but at one point TEMPORARILY interests of the USA and the Russian Federation converge! Moreover, for opposite reasons! The topic is far from over. The solution through alternative options and in the moment are worked out. I suppose that before 2 of the year, to your surprise, the question is reanimated. bully
              1. svp67
                svp67 13 October 2017 09: 23 New
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                Quote: pytar
                I assume that up to 2 years, to your surprise, the questions are reanimated

                Wait and see....
                For many years! drinks hi
  9. What a
    What a 11 October 2017 15: 31 New
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    Quote: LSA57
    Quote: Chelentanich
    Yes, and the same Bulgarians will not shoot, "Brothers" no longer have faith.

    there may be no faith, but they are not so rich that they lose money due to sanctions. they have already suffered from gas

    The dblmi themselves were unlike the fools with the Turks
  10. Egorovich
    Egorovich 11 October 2017 15: 44 New
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    Ah, Bulgaria, under the USSR it was a flourishing, industrial country, and now in Geyrop, like a “snivel” in the zone.
    1. pytar
      pytar 12 October 2017 13: 35 New
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      Blooming, industrial country Bulgaria, after how your Gorbi and Yeltsin defeated our union, was at the bottom. It hurts right away. Industry and in general the entire industry of Bulgaria at 90% worked for the USSR. Almost 100% of the harsh and energy resources for it came from the USSR too. Having lost its market, the inefficient Bulgarian industry could not compete on market conditions. There was no money, no time for modernization. The USA additionally "helped" in its disposal. Only thanks to the entry of Bulgaria into the EU in 2007 did they manage to save what was left of it. Although the process of degradation was stopped with a creak, and over the last 5-6 years it began, albeit not by a large but quite acceptable rise. In Bulgaria there are still many who are dissatisfied with their lives. She's not easy. But people see and positive! There is no doubt such a thing and it is more than a negative! Therefore, the majority of them remain the adherents of EU membership. There is no other alternative at that stage for a country like Bulgaria, which is also located geographically in Europe. Fact. hi
      1. Egorovich
        Egorovich 12 October 2017 15: 28 New
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        To whom not to cling to, albeit to Geyropa, even to be a laying of mattresses. South Stream NPP-enough examples?
  11. bald
    bald 11 October 2017 16: 18 New
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    There is nowhere to put cigarettes, wine, etc. So we have enough of this good. You, yes, and even five years to starve Europe - to the outstretched arm.
    1. pytar
      pytar 12 October 2017 13: 49 New
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      You are very wrong. It can be seen that you have no idea about the export figures of Bulgaria. As for wine and tobacco, everything is very good with him! The amount of wine has decreased in comparison with the period of socialism. But for that the quality has grown dramatically, from there the ego is the price! Revenues in foreign currency increased at times! Bulgarian grapes became more quality and they even started buying it for making their own wine brands in Greece and Romania. Never before in history did Bulgarian wines receive as many awards at international exhibitions as in recent years! In Russia, few people know that for 5 years in a row Bulgaria has been increasing export of products from 11%. In 2016, exports brought a record 23,6 billion euro! The production and export of electrical media and electronics are growing at the fastest pace. Bulgarian products are mainly sold in the EU, and throughout the world. In 1990, we had the currency of only 300 million $! And at the end of that year it was necessary to pay on loans 1 000 000 $! The country was bankrupt! Bulgaria now has 27,1 billion $ foreign exchange reserves! Break through! And we will cooperate with Russia, as this is in our common interests! Everything will be fine both for Bulgaria and Russia! good drinks
      1. bald
        bald 12 October 2017 16: 36 New
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        You misunderstood me. Export goes even where, but not to Russia. Voted for the sanctions, profiled South Stream, listening to the states, with millions of incomes, or even more. But so why are you clinging on? !!! They have deployed a NATO contingent, to you, Russia has always been a friend - and you specifically sold it.
        1. pytar
          pytar 12 October 2017 18: 12 New
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          Can i ask you? bully Where do you get information on all these questions that have been counted?
  12. assa67
    assa67 11 October 2017 16: 57 New
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    Quote: Chelentanich
    Yes, and the same Bulgarians will not shoot, "Brothers" no longer have faith.

    it’s they who went into the deflection, because they almost lost their participation in the tourist flow ..... and here, too, not everything is clear-Ottoman Pasha can put a pig again, as last time .... yes, in general, then already starting
  13. Glory1974
    Glory1974 11 October 2017 17: 45 New
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    de facto sanctions do not apply. Yesterday, the Izhora plant shipped another reactor for nuclear power plants to Bulgaria. They do not know anything about the sanctions.
    1. pytar
      pytar 12 October 2017 13: 52 New
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      de facto sanctions do not apply. Yesterday, the Izhora plant shipped another reactor for nuclear power plants to Bulgaria. They do not know anything about the sanctions.

      We refused to build the new AE Bellene because the demand for electricity from our traditional importers fell. But it is planned to modernize and expand with another 2 reactor at our Kozloduy AES. Probably the Izhora plant is working on this project. hi
  14. Eurodav
    Eurodav 11 October 2017 17: 58 New
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    The impression that the European Union is already crying from its own sanctions, but they cannot recognize and cancel, they are not able to understand that common sense and the manifestation of weakness are two different things ... So be afraid that they do not think that they give a weakness, begin, through our former socialist allies, moreover the Slavs, to cast a fishing rod ...
  15. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 11 October 2017 18: 08 New
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    Ah Bulgarians, Bulgarians! They think that they are the most cunning! :-) Nothing in the EU depends on them, on the word "absolutely"!
  16. APASUS
    APASUS 11 October 2017 19: 38 New
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    The Cabinet of Ministers of Bulgaria without Americans cannot decide whether they need strategic projects with the Russians, and then they suddenly decided to act as instigators of such a crime. They will tear Bulgaria to the British flag for such thoughts (not speeches, namely thoughts)
  17. UAZ 452
    UAZ 452 11 October 2017 20: 31 New
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    In the EU, the rule of consensus is formally declared, but in reality, strict rules are in force that do not allow any rogue to contradict respected masters, to which Germany primarily refers. So, if Bulgaria or someone else from the “Young Europeans” comes up with such an initiative, there can be no doubt that they not only received good from the owners, but they were transparently hinted at the desirability of this action.
  18. rocket757
    rocket757 11 October 2017 21: 26 New
    +4
    Anyway, we’ll laugh, we won’t get used to it, it won’t work out .... is this politics? the brother’s voice erupted, it seems?
  19. uporov65
    uporov65 12 October 2017 05: 39 New
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    We do not need to deceive ourselves about the lifting of sanctions, because there is another reason immediately for the need to apply sanctions. We just need to not pay attention to them, and firmly follow our political course. Or in another way: the caravan goes, the dogs bark.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 12 October 2017 07: 41 New
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      Why not pay?
      We must ask, beg Schaub canceled!
      And they are in response to our elite (count thieves) to the nail !!! And do not let them in, denyuzhku to pinch them abroad, to ban their children in all sorts of Oxford-Cambridges "to gain wisdom" ... nothing.
  20. Zomanus
    Zomanus 12 October 2017 13: 07 New
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    Yeah, we hear it all the time. And constantly sanctions against Russia continue to be extended.
    Show by deeds, not chatter.