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American sailors about their cruiser: a prison, useless against the DPRK

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Sailors of the cruiser "Shiloh" 7th fleet The US Navy, whose area of ​​responsibility includes the western part of the Pacific Ocean and the eastern part of the Indian, complained in an anonymous survey of poor conditions of service and low combat efficiency of the ship, reports RIA News Post editions of the Navy Times.




The interrogated servicemen declared “helplessness of the management team, cruel attitude towards the commanders, and also thoughts about suicide.”

Something terrible is bound to happen, it's just a matter of time,
said one of them.

I pray that we do not have to shoot down the North Korean missile, otherwise everyone will see our inefficiency,
another sailor declared, calling his cruiser a "floating prison."

In addition, the crew members said “about work overload, insufficient training and a long wait for ship repair,” noting that “they are often afraid to complain for fear of punishment from the commanders,” the publication said.

This is a race. We are competing with our ship, who breaks earlier,
said one of the sailors.

The publication notes that the Seventh is one of the key components of the missile defense system, aimed at protecting against North Korean missiles, China and Russia.
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  1. 73bor
    73bor 11 October 2017 09: 35 New
    14
    It’s not necessary to fight with such thoughts, but immediately “hands uphill”!
    1. vovanpain
      vovanpain 11 October 2017 09: 43 New
      27
      The interrogated servicemen declared “helplessness of the management team, cruel attitude towards the commanders, and also thoughts about suicide.”
      Something terrible will happen, it's just a matter of time

      Give Maidan! yes Down with the corrupt commander with his panda! angry Get a panda!
      1. cniza
        cniza 11 October 2017 09: 53 New
        +5
        Greetings Vladimir! hi , it is not clear who the author of this information is and what goals he pursued ...
        1. igorj 51
          igorj 51 11 October 2017 09: 57 New
          +7
          it is not clear who the author of this information is and what goals he pursued ...

          the author of this information, well, at least the source referred to by the American edition of the Navi Times. The goal is to conduct an anonymous survey in order to find out the combat readiness of a particular ship in the event of a probable war with the DPRK.
          1. cniza
            cniza 11 October 2017 10: 00 New
            +3
            And if you take a deeper look, this survey was not conducted for the American people, then why?
            1. igorj 51
              igorj 51 11 October 2017 10: 03 New
              +4
              And if you take a deeper look, this survey was not conducted for the American people, then why?

              I would put the question differently, for whom ..?
              1. cniza
                cniza 11 October 2017 10: 11 New
                +3
                I meant the goal, not the personnel, although in the end it is for someone.
                1. igorj 51
                  igorj 51 11 October 2017 10: 24 New
                  +4
                  I meant the goal, not the personnel, although in the end it is for someone.

                  What the hell would know what purpose. Probably to find out the real combat capability of the ship in case of war with the DPRK. well, so they got it, found out ... And then what ..?
                  1. rapier
                    rapier 11 October 2017 10: 45 New
                    +1
                    Quote: igorj 51
                    I meant the goal, not the personnel, although in the end it is for someone.

                    What the hell would know what purpose. Probably to find out the real combat capability of the ship in case of war with the DPRK. well, so they got it, found out ... And then what ..?

                    You will not reveal the real combat effectiveness of the ship by complaints of individual whiners. You see, the commander asks a lot from them. And such polls are conducted in the USA every hour.
                    1. igorj 51
                      igorj 51 11 October 2017 10: 47 New
                      +3
                      The real combat capability of a ship cannot be revealed by complaints of individual whiners

                      And with which you reveal, do not tell ..? But nothing that these whiners actually make up the crew of this very ship ..?
                      1. maxim947
                        maxim947 11 October 2017 10: 52 New
                        +6
                        More like a fake. Or the source is a homosexual, trance or a pacifist, they are enough there))
                        One of the most serious mistakes is underestimating the enemy.
                      2. rapier
                        rapier 11 October 2017 11: 10 New
                        0
                        Why did you decide that the entire crew of the ship is a whiner? After all, the article does not provide specific figures. The combat effectiveness is revealed by the point.
                    2. Nikolai Grek
                      Nikolai Grek 11 October 2017 18: 22 New
                      +6
                      Quote: rapier
                      Quote: igorj 51
                      I meant the goal, not the personnel, although in the end it is for someone.

                      What the hell would know what purpose. Probably to find out the real combat capability of the ship in case of war with the DPRK. well, so they got it, found out ... And then what ..?

                      You will not reveal the real combat effectiveness of the ship by complaints of individual whiners. You see, the commander asks a lot from them. And such polls are conducted in the USA every hour.

                      and according to the number of collisions of these ships with various "objects", real combat capability can be revealed ??? repeat repeat laughing laughing laughing
                      1. Mih1974
                        Mih1974 12 October 2017 01: 33 New
                        +1
                        Would you like to say - this is such a way of "realizing thoughts of suicide"? laughing
                2. rotmistr60
                  rotmistr60 11 October 2017 11: 17 New
                  +3
                  cniza
                  I meant the goal ...

                  But what difference does it make for what purpose the American media conducted a survey. The main thing is that the morale of American sailors wants the best.
        2. vovanpain
          vovanpain 11 October 2017 10: 15 New
          +5
          Quote: cniza
          Greetings Vladimir! hi , it is not clear who the author of this information is and what goals he pursued ...

          Greetings Victor! hi Most likely the Pentagon or for the Pentagon.
          The publication notes that the Seventh is one of the key components of missile defense aimed at protecting against missiles of the DPRK, China and Russia

          Check the mood in the Navy, prepare for war with the DPRK. hi Yes, and the news is most likely not complete, some comments were taken out, and what is completely interviewed said this is unknown. request hi
          1. cniza
            cniza 11 October 2017 10: 34 New
            +5
            They are troubled, as always, and throw in this information for a reason, they should not be underestimated.
            1. sharp-lad
              sharp-lad 11 October 2017 23: 13 New
              0
              It looks like an outright misinformation.
          2. igorj 51
            igorj 51 11 October 2017 11: 04 New
            +4
            Yes, and the news is most likely not complete, some comments were taken out, and what is completely interviewed said this is unknown.

            The news is really incomplete .. In full, you can read it here:
            https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2017/10/
            09 / i-now-hate-my-ship-surveys-reveal-disastrous-m
            orale-on-cruiser-shiloh /
            This is the source. the same Navi Times ... If you fully read and even follow the links in the article to read there, it is still more interesting ... There, the captain of the guilty sailors closed for three days in the hold spaces for bread and water ... Well and so on .. .
        3. pvv113
          pvv113 11 October 2017 10: 38 New
          +5
          Maybe it's a disinformation, in order to lull our vigilance, but such information impresses me wink
          1. cniza
            cniza 11 October 2017 10: 44 New
            +1
            Yes, of course, it warms the soul, but the head is given not only for what would be in it.
            1. pvv113
              pvv113 11 October 2017 10: 46 New
              +2
              Yeah, and still wear a hat wassat
              1. cniza
                cniza 11 October 2017 10: 48 New
                +1
                The hat can be worn under the arm, but to eat ... lol
                1. pvv113
                  pvv113 11 October 2017 10: 55 New
                  +2
                  They say that you can get into the stomach in two ways. lol
                  1. jjj
                    jjj 11 October 2017 11: 07 New
                    +2
                    Well, as it were, Russian intelligence does not get information from open sources and social networks
                    1. cniza
                      cniza 11 October 2017 11: 12 New
                      +1
                      We really believe in it.
            2. rotmistr60
              rotmistr60 11 October 2017 11: 20 New
              +2
              cniza
              but the head is given not only to eat it.

              So do not eat into it. You have already sprinkled so many comments wanting to find out what you really are not interested in.
              1. cniza
                cniza 11 October 2017 11: 23 New
                0
                And what interests you so much, I don’t like it, don’t read it, and your advice does not apply to the topic.
                1. rotmistr60
                  rotmistr60 11 October 2017 11: 30 New
                  +2
                  And your points for collecting points are very thematic. hi At your leisure, open your comments and read.
                  1. cniza
                    cniza 11 October 2017 11: 42 New
                    0
                    Gennady, I'm not here to collect points, as you put it, but to communicate, and I think that sometimes you can make a joke. hi
                    1. rotmistr60
                      rotmistr60 11 October 2017 11: 45 New
                      +1
                      Accepted. hi I hope Victor that did not offend you.
          2. igorj 51
            igorj 51 11 October 2017 11: 21 New
            +2
            Maybe this is disa

            You read the source ... It doesn’t look like a desu ...
            1. pvv113
              pvv113 11 October 2017 11: 39 New
              +1
              You perfectly understand that special services for credibility can connect any sources of information
          3. Nikolai Grek
            Nikolai Grek 11 October 2017 18: 24 New
            +5
            judging by the constant incidents with the ships of the Americans, this is not a disinformation !!! request request request laughing laughing laughing
            1. pvv113
              pvv113 11 October 2017 18: 38 New
              +1
              I just suggested wink
        4. NordUral
          NordUral 12 October 2017 09: 02 New
          0
          I'll get in with dirty feet. This agitation is strange.
      2. DimerVladimer
        DimerVladimer 11 October 2017 16: 10 New
        0
        The ship is a prison, unbearably slow wi-fi!
    2. Cutter
      Cutter 11 October 2017 09: 45 New
      10
      All the "power" of the American Armed Forces rests solely on beautiful pictures, commercials, and self-confidence in the exceptionalism of Americans. Sailors always love their ship, and this proud word CREW is apparently not familiar to the Americans ... they never had, and never will have their own "Varangians" !!!
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 11 October 2017 11: 35 New
        +2
        "they never had, and will not have their own" Varangians "!!!" ////

        Great wish to the Americans! you don’t have to sink your own ships.
        It is necessary to heat the enemy.
        1. rotmistr60
          rotmistr60 11 October 2017 11: 56 New
          +3
          you don’t have to sink your own ships.

          voyaka uh did not expect such a turn from you. I hope that you remember from historical events how everything was? But the Americans didn’t have and never will have their “Varyag”.
          1. sogdy
            sogdy 11 October 2017 15: 11 New
            0
            Well, vashcheta, it was. Enterprise Monitor in the Mississippi Delta.
            I don’t remember the details. Read 50 years ago.

            But the condition of the crews from the 70s is getting worse.
        2. Glory1974
          Glory1974 11 October 2017 18: 19 New
          +1
          Great wish to the Americans! you don’t have to sink your own ships.

          They have a lot of experience in this area. For example, the battleship "Maine" with a Negro crew, drowned by the Americans themselves, as a provocation to start the Spanish-American war.
          I’ll say nothing about the blown twin towers and a test tube with chemical weapons ....
        3. NordUral
          NordUral 12 October 2017 09: 05 New
          0
          Caring what! Of course, it’s better to immediately raise your paws up, as the Americans do praise (I will say that not all of them have such) when they meet a strong opponent. And sometimes not very strong, but steadfast in spirit.
    3. NEXUS
      NEXUS 11 October 2017 09: 48 New
      +5
      This is a race. We are competing with our ship, who breaks earlier,

      Therefore, a dozen Ticanderogs are written off for scrap ... but something tells me that the same Zamvolt is the same trough that "carries a meter, and five carry it."
      1. novel66
        novel66 11 October 2017 10: 01 New
        +6
        and ugly phew. what an abomination
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 11 October 2017 10: 36 New
          +4
          laughing Healthy Estet! hi
          1. novel66
            novel66 11 October 2017 11: 21 New
            +5
            Hello, Your Excellency! hi Yes! ships, like planes. should be beautiful, and irons are good in the laundry
      2. g1v2
        g1v2 11 October 2017 11: 16 New
        +2
        Zamvolt in my opinion is no longer a warship, but an experienced one. That is, technologies are being worked out on it. As a real military unit is still too raw. This is about the same situation as with our B-585 “St. Petersburg”. When it was surrendered and everything seemed to be theoretically wonderful - a new technology level dap. But in reality - there is a mismatch of performance characteristics, here - a lack of power and had to drive it for many years in an experimental mode. Here, in my opinion, Zamvolt has the same situation. request
        And in the situation with Ticks, there is nothing strange. Ships are already quite old and were produced in the previous technological era. So nothing strange in that they break, no.
        Our Buzzards also broke down constantly, as a result of which they were mainly attributed. Remained in service 3 pieces. And then, the combat readiness of one of them is in great doubt, even after the successful end of Tue. request I don’t think that their oldest Tics are in much better condition.
        1. igorj 51
          igorj 51 11 October 2017 11: 32 New
          +1
          And in the situation with Ticks, there is nothing strange. Ships are already quite old and were produced in the previous technological era. So nothing strange in that they break, no.

          Specifically for this ship: Cruiser CG-67 Shiloh (Shiloh). Laid on a slipway: 01.08.1989/08.09.1990/24.04.1992 in Norfolk. Launched: XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX in the fleet since: XNUMX, so the ship is not so old by age, compared with those in the Russian Navy. information on this ship is taken from Wiki. Those who do not believe can check for themselves.
          1. g1v2
            g1v2 11 October 2017 13: 19 New
            0
            28 years on long trips despite the fact that the tics were originally designed for 28 years of operation, is it not enough? belay
      3. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 11 October 2017 11: 36 New
        +2
        They are replaced by the plan of 70 Earley Burkov.
      4. Nikolai Grek
        Nikolai Grek 11 October 2017 18: 26 New
        +5
        Quote: NEXUS
        which "carries a meter, and five carry it."

        lol lol lol good good good
      5. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 11 October 2017 18: 51 New
        +2
        Quote: NEXUS
        a dozen Tikanderog and write off for scrap.

        Tiki has problems with the hull / add-in. Passion for aluminum alloys led to the fact that from the influence of sea water, the temperature difference of the body began to "delaminate". Incidentally, Oleg Kaptsov wrote about this at the time.
        However, the ames are in no hurry to part with these powerful warships. They are mainly sent (note!) After upgrading to the reserve (!) Of the 7 order. Tics are already there.
        So, this is a serious appendage of the existing fleet. Like the battleships of Comrade "Iowa", repaired, technically sound, with conservation of the basic mechanisms, turned into ship-museums. sad
      6. Popovich
        Popovich 11 October 2017 20: 27 New
        0
        Quote: NEXUS
        a dozen Tikanderog and write off for scrap ...

        it will not work for scrap - they are wooden .. laughing
    4. forester
      forester 11 October 2017 10: 53 New
      +2
      Quote: 73bor
      It’s not necessary to fight with such thoughts, but immediately “hands uphill”!

      Better to head in a noose or overboard with a stone around his neck, or better yet, just open the kingstones and drown him.
    5. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek 11 October 2017 18: 19 New
      +4
      Quote: 73bor
      It’s not necessary to fight with such thoughts, but immediately “hands uphill”!

      in fact, the Americans never fought (in the full sense of the term) really ... so all their thoughts about greatness are an ordinary American stereotype !!! good good good good hence the cling of thoughts of a real war !!! lol lol lol yes yes yes
      1. sharp-lad
        sharp-lad 11 October 2017 23: 23 New
        0
        In recent decades, up to and including Vietnam, they fought quite hard.
        1. Nikolai Grek
          Nikolai Grek 12 October 2017 00: 36 New
          +4
          Quote: sharp-lad
          In recent decades, up to and including Vietnam, they fought quite hard.

          this is not war in its global understanding !!!
  2. d ^ Amir
    d ^ Amir 11 October 2017 09: 40 New
    +3
    Yes, the usual whining .... pipifax is not enough ... there is no striptease ... and in general it’s a nightmare!
    1. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek 11 October 2017 18: 28 New
      +5
      Quote: d ^ Amir
      Yes, the usual whining .... pipifax is not enough ... there is no striptease ... and in general it’s a nightmare!

      here, rather, a couple of relatively recent collisions of ships with a dozen corpses played a role !!!
      1. d ^ Amir
        d ^ Amir 11 October 2017 18: 36 New
        +4
        Good evening!!! as an option ..... it is quite possible ....
  3. san4es
    san4es 11 October 2017 09: 41 New
    +5
    This is a race. We are competing with our ship, who breaks earlier,

    Stupidly? ... So open kingstones and home on boats
    1. Cutter
      Cutter 11 October 2017 10: 00 New
      +8
      Alexander, welcome! hi John McCain laughing completed the "task" bully wink , now tell your American colleagues how to get out of the situation? laughing hi
      1. san4es
        san4es 11 October 2017 10: 08 New
        +4
        Healthy Sasha hi
        Now tell your American colleagues how to get out of the situation?

        request So it turns out wink
  4. NEXUS
    NEXUS 11 October 2017 09: 42 New
    +3
    I pray that we do not have to shoot down a North Korean rocket, otherwise everyone will see our inefficiency

    Now we understand diapers and dry closets and transgender people in the US Army.,
    1. Alexander 3
      Alexander 3 11 October 2017 10: 29 New
      0
      Pampers with toilets are understandable, but transgender ones to calm or excite? Or instead of a toilet and diapers.
      1. novel66
        novel66 11 October 2017 11: 23 New
        +2
        transgender for convenience, not all the same women keep inflatable
      2. g1v2
        g1v2 11 October 2017 11: 26 New
        +1
        To intimidate the enemy and as a psychological weapon. The Persians decide to take their ship aboard, and there these line up on the deck. The Persians will think - "oh well them in the figs" and change their minds.
        Or if our marines climb to storm. While ours will think who is in front of them - women or men and whether it is possible to beat them, the crew of the cruiser will get an advantage and time gain. wink
        This is a delicate calculation and a cunning plan in one bottle. lol
        1. Mih1974
          Mih1974 12 October 2017 01: 50 New
          +1
          tongue Chet suspecting that our marines will not “disassemble” strongly during boarding; repeat it’s not the peasants who kicked their faces. ” tongue
  5. Yujanin.
    Yujanin. 11 October 2017 09: 43 New
    +1
    As you call a ship, so it will sail (s)
  6. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 11 October 2017 09: 48 New
    +3
    I found the source, this same "Navy Times", what’s going on there on the ship, Google translation gave out such a line ... belay wassat )))
    Often the focus (conducted by an anonymous survey) is the commander’s micromanagement and the unrest of castrated leaders
    1. Catherine II
      Catherine II 11 October 2017 10: 35 New
      +3
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      Often the focus (conducted by an anonymous survey) is the commander’s micromanagement and the unrest of castrated leaders

      During the survey, quite often unpleasant moments came up with the leadership and discontent of subordinates.
      I read the original. Strict discipline, frequent punishments, heavy workload, stress associated with the global situation. Dissatisfaction with the captain and management, not forgiving any mistake.
      Apparently a very strict, meticulous captain with assistants, requiring a lot. Yes, even an unpleasant situation in the region. Stress.
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 11 October 2017 10: 50 New
        +2
        Quote: Catherine II
        Stress.

        It is necessary for Eun to deliver the Su-24 with an urgent delivery, let it knock a bit poor, scored team. Maybe it will finish them off completely and they will raise a riot on the ship, if they just do not jump overboard crazy. \
      2. creak
        creak 11 October 2017 11: 14 New
        +2
        Quote: Catherine II
        I read the original. Strict discipline, frequent punishments, heavy workload, stress associated with the global situation. Dissatisfaction with the captain and management, not forgiving any mistake.

        Not only this in the original - it is also said there that such a moral situation on the cruiser developed under the extreme commander, who is currently no longer in command of the ship, has been written off ashore. Under the previous commander Morris, such polls showed a more favorable picture.
        Such anonymous polls, according to the publication, can more objectively cover the moral climate and mood on ships and serve as an additional source of information for the command ..
        Apparently, the ship really wasn’t all right, but this does not give reason to project this situation onto the entire fleet, which, according to some “experts” and a penny is not worth it and competing in wit about this ...
        Hat-making for us more than once left us sideways and cost a lot of blood. Without a comprehensive study and objective assessment of a likely enemy, one cannot count on success in a conflict with him - the enemy has not only drug addicts and drunks in the ranks ...
  7. Corsair0304
    Corsair0304 11 October 2017 09: 50 New
    +5
    in 2016, it became known that Pentagon executives used the department’s credit cards, spending about $ 100 thousand to visit strip clubs and almost $ 1 million to casinos. A little later, at the U.S. Air Force base in Warren in Cheyenne (where 150 warheads with thermonuclear charges are stored and 1300 people serve) it became known that the soldiers responsible for nuclear weapons smoked marijuana and consumed cocaine.

    Not only that, according to ABC News, Major General of the US Air Force Michael Carey was fired for "revelry with prostitutes and regular drinking in the workplace."


    Well, what can I talk about?
    1. igorj 51
      igorj 51 11 October 2017 10: 30 New
      +3
      A little later, at the U.S. Air Force base in Warren in Cheyenne (where 150 warheads with thermonuclear charges are stored and 1300 people serve) it became known that the soldiers responsible for nuclear weapons smoked marijuana and consumed cocaine.

      E ...... Th ..! Do they get addicts dealing with nuclear weapons ..? And after that, someone else stutters that Eun is supposedly crazy and inadequate ..?
      US Air Force Major General Michael Carey was fired for "revelry with prostitutes and regular drinking in the workplace."

      Scribe...! Major General Air Force alcoholic and bl ... n ..! Get lost in the army of Americans ....! Yes, they can’t be trusted in any weapons there, not to mention nuclear ...
      1. aiden
        aiden 12 October 2017 00: 51 New
        0
        Yes, you don’t have to go far, in 404 he drinks a condiment. Everyone is drinking. It is good that those Americans did not give them nuclear weapons.
    2. creak
      creak 11 October 2017 11: 24 New
      0
      Quote: Corsair0304
      Well, what can I talk about?

      Well, we can say, for example, that the Serdyukovs and Vasilyevs in the Armed Forces are not only with us ... There are enough of them in other countries ...
    3. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek 11 October 2017 18: 33 New
      +4
      Quote: Corsair0304
      in 2016, it became known that Pentagon executives used the department’s credit cards, spending about $ 100 thousand to visit strip clubs and almost $ 1 million to casinos. A little later, at the U.S. Air Force base in Warren in Cheyenne (where 150 warheads with thermonuclear charges are stored and 1300 people serve) it became known that the soldiers responsible for nuclear weapons smoked marijuana and consumed cocaine.

      Not only that, according to ABC News, Major General of the US Air Force Michael Carey was fired for "revelry with prostitutes and regular drinking in the workplace."


      Well, what can I talk about?

      On Tuesday, the Department of Justice brought a new charge of corruption and other crimes to seven Navy officers and an admiral. This case was called the "fat Leonard" bribery case, and it grew into a scandal of epic proportions, which continues in the US Navy for four years.

      Among those indicted are Rear Admiral Bruce Loveless, a senior naval intelligence officer who recently resigned from an important Pentagon position, as well as four retired first-rank captains and a retired marine corps colonel. The military has been accused of committing crimes for eight years, from 2006 to 2014.

      The sailors are accused of taking bribes in the form of chic gifts, prostitutes and luxury hotel rooms from "fat Leonard", as they called the Singapore-based military contractor Leonard Glenn Francis, who pleaded guilty to financial fraud of the Navy for tens of millions of dollars .

      The multi-page indictment lists bribes allegedly received by the defendants, including a watch for 25 thousand dollars, boxes with Cohiba cigars for two thousand dollars, cognac for the same amount, and hotel rooms for $ 600 per night.

      According to federal prosecutors, the naval command in response provided Francis with secret and official information that allowed his company Glenn Defense Marine Asia to deceive the Navy for tens of millions of dollars.

      http://inosmi.ru/social/20170315/238884930.html
  8. Ace Tambourine
    Ace Tambourine 11 October 2017 09: 50 New
    +1
    urgently bring up tires ...
    in exchange for popcorn ...
  9. aszzz888
    aszzz888 11 October 2017 09: 51 New
    +4
    I pray that we do not have to shoot down the North Korean missile, otherwise everyone will see our inefficiency,

    ... and everyone could watch the rockets of the northerners fly through the meerkat patriots on Hokkaido ... bully
  10. Knowing
    Knowing 11 October 2017 09: 51 New
    +2
    Moral decline is a sign of failure. bully
  11. LAWNER
    LAWNER 11 October 2017 10: 02 New
    +2
    One ship is not the whole fleet. Do not relax the Lord !!!
    1. igorj 51
      igorj 51 11 October 2017 10: 33 New
      +2
      One ship is not the whole fleet. Do not relax the Lord !!!

      Do you think that on the rest of the ships they have everything in openwork ..? Well, well ... In less than a year, two destroyers were put out of action as a result of the clashes .. Now, here's another surprise ... The commander of the 7th Fleet resigned .. Do you still think that they have all the top-ranking stuff there ..? What a commander and such a fleet ....
      1. Tomahawk
        Tomahawk 11 October 2017 17: 43 New
        0
        Do you think that on the rest of the ships they have everything in openwork ..?
        Well, a message about dissatisfaction was expressed only from him. And do you conduct such polls at your place? I’m sure there will also be a lot of dissatisfied.
        In less than a year, two destroyers collapsed due to clashes ..]
        and what? the combat value of the ships did not decrease from this.
        The commander of the 7th Fleet resigned .. Do you still think that they have everything there, top-top ..? What a commander and such a fleet ....
        The fleet is the strongest in the world in terms of technology and its number, although all the countries of the world will attack us, we will still win. What the commander has inflicted is that this happens regularly.
        1. igorj 51
          igorj 51 11 October 2017 18: 19 New
          +1
          even though all countries of the world will attack us, we will win anyway.

          Yah...? Your Americans have clearly overstated self-esteem. With it, very much overpriced ..
          1. Tomahawk
            Tomahawk 12 October 2017 16: 09 New
            0
            Gather at least all the fleets of the world, all the same in terms of quantity and quality of equipment we will win, while we still have a 5th generation fighter, and 4; 4+; 4 ++ we have in reserve as much as is enough for 2 RF.
        2. sharp-lad
          sharp-lad 11 October 2017 23: 40 New
          0
          It will be enough for the whole world to simply turn away from America, while attacking is not necessary. At the expense of the damaged ships, well, collisions showed that the ships are far from plywood and it will not be easy to drown them, but also that in the states there are a lot of gouging. Is the fleet the strongest? This is until the bases are intact, then the strength will decrease every day. Dissatisfaction .... only before the outbreak of the war, total, after for the dissatisfied there will be a military tribunal and a quick, harsh reprisal.
    2. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek 11 October 2017 18: 37 New
      +4
      Quote: LAWNER
      One ship is not the whole fleet. Do not relax the Lord !!!

      two are already under repair after collisions with dozens of corpses !!! hi hi hi
  12. bald
    bald 11 October 2017 10: 09 New
    +3
    Decomposition from the inside, well, not bad, taking into account the latest world events - the main thing is not to relax and only improve.
    1. novel66
      novel66 11 October 2017 11: 25 New
      +5
      give revolutionary sailors on Broadway!
      1. bald
        bald 11 October 2017 11: 56 New
        +1
        If they started to moan on the ship, then what kind of things are they on Broadway, but in general I support it. good
        1. novel66
          novel66 11 October 2017 12: 19 New
          +3
          Baltic tea and propaganda can make them useful for society
          1. bald
            bald 11 October 2017 12: 25 New
            +1
            It’s like to put a pig in someone else’s garden, all the methods are good, you need to act in all directions and using permitted methods (from a human point of view).
  13. Altona
    Altona 11 October 2017 10: 18 New
    +2
    Quote: NEXUS
    Therefore, a dozen Ticanderogs are written off for scrap ... but something tells me that the same Zamvolt is the same trough that "carries a meter, and five carry it."

    ------------------------
    The trough is not simple, but electric. In fact, a floating thermal power plant, it was planned to install a railgun (e / mag gun) on it and installed excess electricity generating capacities on it.
    1. Baobab
      Baobab 11 October 2017 10: 24 New
      0
      People are getting a little smarter
  14. Fuzelir
    Fuzelir 11 October 2017 10: 31 New
    0
    If this is true, then I am very surprised at what kind of specialists serve in the American Navy, BUT I repeat, if this is true.
  15. Serg65
    Serg65 11 October 2017 10: 35 New
    +2
    American sailors about their cruiser: prison

    what Eh guys, it’s you who didn’t serve on the RCC “Moskva” !!!!!
    1. novel66
      novel66 11 October 2017 11: 30 New
      +2
      in fact, no one has canceled discipline in the army (well, except for aviation, of course, lol specificity ... request )
  16. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 11 October 2017 10: 35 New
    +1
    I pray that we do not have to shoot down a North Korean rocket, otherwise everyone will see our inefficiency

    No need to pray because you don’t have to shoot down. All thinking people in the world know about the helplessness of the American missile defense because if the United States could have shot down a real missile, it has already been done for a long time.
  17. Berkut24
    Berkut24 11 October 2017 10: 35 New
    0
    This is a race. We are competing with our ship, who will break earlier

    Yes, break it all at once. And we are calmer, and you have less nerves.
  18. Antokha
    Antokha 11 October 2017 10: 42 New
    0
    In fact, you need to love your ship, whatever it may be. This is your home for the duration of the service. A team would be nice to be like a family. If they don’t have this in the fleet, even good equipment may not help. But, probably, not everything is so bad, it cannot be. The statistics of the answers were not shown to us either. But there are always whiners.
  19. Mwg
    Mwg 11 October 2017 10: 56 New
    +1
    Something that reminds me. The battleship "Pitemkin", 1905 !!! Revolution in the US is just around the corner?
  20. Zubr
    Zubr 11 October 2017 11: 01 New
    +1
    Ticonderoga Cruiser USS Port Royal (CG-73)

    Flag of the United States.svg USA

    Operators

    US Navy

    Years built 1983 year
    Main characteristics
    Displacement 9800 tons (full)
    Length 172,8 m
    Width 16,7 m
    Precipitation 9,7 m
    Engines 4 GTU General Electric LM2500
    Power 80 000 l. with. (60 MW)
    32 node speed (59,3 km / h)
    Cruising range 6000 miles on 20 nodes,
    3300 miles on 30 nodes
    Crew of 387 people (including 33 officer)
    weaponry
    Artillery 2 × 1 - 127 mm AU Mk. 45 Mod. Xnumx
    Anti-aircraft artillery 2 × 6 - 20-mm ZAU "Phalanx",
    2 × 1 25 mm ZA Bushmaster,
    2 — 4 12,7 mm machine gun
    Missile weapons 2 × 4 missile launcher "Harpoon"
    UVP on 122 Tomahawk missile cell
    SM-1
    2 mine-torpedo armament of three-pipe 324-mm torpedo tubes
    2 Helicopter Aviation Group

    Moreover, it is also a key link in the missile defense system.

    Why are they already completely turned into girls ?! smile
  21. nivander
    nivander 11 October 2017 11: 09 New
    +1
    during the American Civil War, the Battle of Shiloh killed more Americans than in all previous wars combined
  22. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 11 October 2017 11: 22 New
    0
    We are competing with our ship, who will break earlier

    Apparently, the sailors will break earlier.
  23. Egorovich
    Egorovich 11 October 2017 11: 28 New
    +5
    Here it is the depth of army service. It is the same everywhere. With small nuances. Mattresses are the same as everyone, not SUPERMacho. Only they do not seem to know.
  24. Snail N9
    Snail N9 11 October 2017 11: 37 New
    0
    Torn phrases taken out of context say absolutely nothing. "Lack of training", but why complain about who "breaks faster, we or the ship"? What are they doing there so that they will soon “break”, if not training? "News" "sucked out of a finger" .... hello to "Cook" and "Khibiny" .... winked
  25. Ace Tambourine
    Ace Tambourine 11 October 2017 12: 07 New
    +2
    Mother Pull ...
    And at -20, these heroes did not try to run along the steppe in 2 meter snowdrifts along the BG with DShK on the shoulder? And in the barracks at -7 to sleep in an overcoat and under 2 mattresses, when did the heating system unfreeze due to an asleep Uzbek in a stoker?
    1. Ace Tambourine
      Ace Tambourine 11 October 2017 12: 30 New
      +1
      It’s just that he himself went through it. The 7th division “Khlopotun” of the now defunct GZRP Magnitogorsk, 86g
  26. Artyushka Telepathy
    Artyushka Telepathy 11 October 2017 13: 11 New
    0
    Che current does not print in VO))) everything is bad for the Yankees and everything is black for them and the monuments are insulted here)))
    1. igorj 51
      igorj 51 11 October 2017 14: 17 New
      +3
      everything for the Yankees is bad, absolutely everything, and they also have blacks lynching and offending the monuments here)))

      Nope ... The Yankees hurt everything ... And there are absolutely no problems .. But everything is lying to VO ... :)))
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  28. Uryukc
    Uryukc 11 October 2017 17: 39 New
    0
    Quote: maxim947
    More like a fake

    maxim947,
    Before throwing such words, maybe it was worth checking the source? For the lazy but loud: https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2017/10/
    09 / i-now-hate-my-ship-surveys-reveal-disastrous-m
    orale-on-cruiser-shiloh /
    So, someone doesn’t like the news, because "they can only lie on our TV set," but check for scrap, and BE was turned into a "legend of Cook", those who dare to argue are declared sectarians and quilted jackets.
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    2. Snail N9
      Snail N9 11 October 2017 23: 14 New
      0
      So what? Followed the link and there is nothing there! Maybe they’ve removed it, but now there’s nothing even closely resembling an article about a “frightened crew”.
      1. Uryukc
        Uryukc 19 October 2017 07: 24 New
        0
        'I now hate my ship' tell me how this statement is translated?
        I’m clarifying the above link not about Cook, but about the topic of the article. Cook is mentioned as an example of turning an “event” into a “city history”. And so yes, now CNN's report about Cook can no longer be found, well, in any case, it didn’t work out to me, although when I had this whole story, I checked it. The story itself about Cook went precisely from the filing of Western "journalists."
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 19 October 2017 07: 26 New
          +7
          Quote: Uryukc
          'I now hate my ship' tell me how this statement is translated?

          I don't like this trough laughing
          1. Uryukc
            Uryukc 19 October 2017 07: 37 New
            0
            Soft translation laughing
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 19 October 2017 07: 39 New
              +7
              Quote: Uryukc
              Soft translation laughing

              Not copyright even once. And to catch warnings out of the blue - well, there is no desire no
              1. Uryukc
                Uryukc 19 October 2017 08: 02 New
                0
                Well, if so: "Now I I hate your ship "?
    3. aiden
      aiden 12 October 2017 00: 57 New
      0
      And who will confirm the information of this source? I can also write that I conducted an anonymous poll on TAKR Kuznetsov, and all respondents said that this trough should be written off, because it is useless
      1. Uryukc
        Uryukc 19 October 2017 07: 30 New
        0
        Any source can be called into question. In this case, at least it cannot be argued that this is a “about Kremlin propaganda” publication, as the name implies, the resource talks about the American Navy, and judging by the site this is not the last resource.
  29. XXXIII
    XXXIII 11 October 2017 18: 49 New
    +2
    Yesterday's post fits no matter how best ... hi
    "Mattis: US Army must be ready for a military solution to the DPRK problem"
    What is the DPRK, the American army is already passing tests to Kim ......
  30. NordUral
    NordUral 12 October 2017 09: 00 New
    0
    It is possible that this sailor knows what he is saying, but do not reassure yourself. But the defense industry of the United States has incorporated many talented people from all over the world, and many from our country.
    It’s better to consider the enemy strong than worthless.