American sailors about their cruiser: a prison, useless against the DPRK

Sailors of the cruiser "Shiloh" 7th fleet The US Navy, whose area of ​​responsibility includes the western part of the Pacific Ocean and the eastern part of the Indian, complained in an anonymous survey of poor conditions of service and low combat efficiency of the ship, reports RIA News Post editions of the Navy Times.

The interrogated servicemen declared “helplessness of the management team, cruel attitude towards the commanders, and also thoughts about suicide.”

Something terrible is bound to happen, it's just a matter of time,

said one of them.

I pray that we do not have to shoot down the North Korean missile, otherwise everyone will see our inefficiency,

another sailor declared, calling his cruiser a "floating prison."

In addition, the crew members said “about work overload, insufficient training and a long wait for ship repair,” noting that “they are often afraid to complain for fear of punishment from the commanders,” the publication said.

This is a race. We are competing with our ship, who breaks earlier,

said one of the sailors.

The publication notes that the Seventh is one of the key components of the missile defense system, aimed at protecting against North Korean missiles, China and Russia.

Comments

[73bor]

It’s not necessary to fight with such thoughts, but immediately “hands uphill”!

[vovanpain]

The interrogated servicemen declared “helplessness of the management team, cruel attitude towards the commanders, and also thoughts about suicide.”
Something terrible will happen, it's just a matter of time

Give Maidan! Down with the corrupt commander with his panda! Get a panda!

[cniza]

Greetings Vladimir! , it is not clear who the author of this information is and what goals he pursued ...

[igorj 51]

it is not clear who the author of this information is and what goals he pursued ...

the author of this information, well, at least the source referred to by the American edition of the Navi Times. The goal is to conduct an anonymous survey in order to find out the combat readiness of a particular ship in the event of a probable war with the DPRK.

[cniza]

And if you take a deeper look, this survey was not conducted for the American people, then why?

[igorj 51]

And if you take a deeper look, this survey was not conducted for the American people, then why?

I would put the question differently, for whom ..?

[cniza]

I meant the goal, not the personnel, although in the end it is for someone.

[igorj 51]

I meant the goal, not the personnel, although in the end it is for someone.

What the hell would know what purpose. Probably to find out the real combat capability of the ship in case of war with the DPRK. well, so they got it, found out ... And then what ..?

[rapier]

Quote: igorj 51

I meant the goal, not the personnel, although in the end it is for someone.

What the hell would know what purpose. Probably to find out the real combat capability of the ship in case of war with the DPRK. well, so they got it, found out ... And then what ..?

You will not reveal the real combat effectiveness of the ship by complaints of individual whiners. You see, the commander asks a lot from them. And such polls are conducted in the USA every hour.

[igorj 51]

The real combat capability of a ship cannot be revealed by complaints of individual whiners

And with which you reveal, do not tell ..? But nothing that these whiners actually make up the crew of this very ship ..?

[maxim947]

More like a fake. Or the source is a homosexual, trance or a pacifist, they are enough there))
One of the most serious mistakes is underestimating the enemy.

[rapier]

Why did you decide that the entire crew of the ship is a whiner? After all, the article does not provide specific figures. The combat effectiveness is revealed by the point.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: rapier

Quote: igorj 51

I meant the goal, not the personnel, although in the end it is for someone.

What the hell would know what purpose. Probably to find out the real combat capability of the ship in case of war with the DPRK. well, so they got it, found out ... And then what ..?

You will not reveal the real combat effectiveness of the ship by complaints of individual whiners. You see, the commander asks a lot from them. And such polls are conducted in the USA every hour.

and according to the number of collisions of these ships with various "objects", real combat capability can be revealed ???

[Mih1974]

Would you like to say - this is such a way of "realizing thoughts of suicide"?

[rotmistr60]

cniza
I meant the goal ...

But what difference does it make for what purpose the American media conducted a survey. The main thing is that the morale of American sailors wants the best.

[vovanpain]

Quote: cniza

Greetings Vladimir! , it is not clear who the author of this information is and what goals he pursued ...

Greetings Victor! Most likely the Pentagon or for the Pentagon.

The publication notes that the Seventh is one of the key components of missile defense aimed at protecting against missiles of the DPRK, China and Russia

Check the mood in the Navy, prepare for war with the DPRK. Yes, and the news is most likely not complete, some comments were taken out, and what is completely interviewed said this is unknown.

[cniza]

They are troubled, as always, and throw in this information for a reason, they should not be underestimated.

[sharp-lad]

It looks like an outright misinformation.

[igorj 51]

Yes, and the news is most likely not complete, some comments were taken out, and what is completely interviewed said this is unknown.

The news is really incomplete .. In full, you can read it here:
https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2017/10/
09 / i-now-hate-my-ship-surveys-reveal-disastrous-m
orale-on-cruiser-shiloh /
This is the source. the same Navi Times ... If you fully read and even follow the links in the article to read there, it is still more interesting ... There, the captain of the guilty sailors closed for three days in the hold spaces for bread and water ... Well and so on .. .

[pvv113]

Maybe it's a disinformation, in order to lull our vigilance, but such information impresses me

[cniza]

Yes, of course, it warms the soul, but the head is given not only for what would be in it.

[pvv113]

Yeah, and still wear a hat

[cniza]

The hat can be worn under the arm, but to eat ...

[pvv113]

They say that you can get into the stomach in two ways.

[jjj]

Well, as it were, Russian intelligence does not get information from open sources and social networks

[cniza]

We really believe in it.

[rotmistr60]

cniza
but the head is given not only to eat it.

So do not eat into it. You have already sprinkled so many comments wanting to find out what you really are not interested in.

[cniza]

And what interests you so much, I don’t like it, don’t read it, and your advice does not apply to the topic.

[rotmistr60]

And your points for collecting points are very thematic. At your leisure, open your comments and read.

[cniza]

Gennady, I'm not here to collect points, as you put it, but to communicate, and I think that sometimes you can make a joke.

[rotmistr60]

Accepted. I hope Victor that did not offend you.

[igorj 51]

Maybe this is disa

You read the source ... It doesn’t look like a desu ...

[pvv113]

You perfectly understand that special services for credibility can connect any sources of information

[Nikolai Grek]

judging by the constant incidents with the ships of the Americans, this is not a disinformation !!!

[pvv113]

I just suggested

[NordUral]

I'll get in with dirty feet. This agitation is strange.

[DimerVladimer]

The ship is a prison, unbearably slow wi-fi!

[Cutter]

All the "power" of the American Armed Forces rests solely on beautiful pictures, commercials, and self-confidence in the exceptionalism of Americans. Sailors always love their ship, and this proud word CREW is apparently not familiar to the Americans ... they never had, and never will have their own "Varangians" !!!

[voyaka uh]

"they never had, and will not have their own" Varangians "!!!" ////

Great wish to the Americans! you don’t have to sink your own ships.
It is necessary to heat the enemy.

[rotmistr60]

you don’t have to sink your own ships.

voyaka uh did not expect such a turn from you. I hope that you remember from historical events how everything was? But the Americans didn’t have and never will have their “Varyag”.

[sogdy]

Well, vashcheta, it was. Enterprise Monitor in the Mississippi Delta.
I don’t remember the details. Read 50 years ago.

But the condition of the crews from the 70s is getting worse.

[Glory1974]

Great wish to the Americans! you don’t have to sink your own ships.

They have a lot of experience in this area. For example, the battleship "Maine" with a Negro crew, drowned by the Americans themselves, as a provocation to start the Spanish-American war.
I’ll say nothing about the blown twin towers and a test tube with chemical weapons ....

[NordUral]

Caring what! Of course, it’s better to immediately raise your paws up, as the Americans do praise (I will say that not all of them have such) when they meet a strong opponent. And sometimes not very strong, but steadfast in spirit.

[NEXUS]

This is a race. We are competing with our ship, who breaks earlier,

Therefore, a dozen Ticanderogs are written off for scrap ... but something tells me that the same Zamvolt is the same trough that "carries a meter, and five carry it."

[novel66]

and ugly phew. what an abomination

[Serg65]

Healthy Estet!

[novel66]

Hello, Your Excellency! Yes! ships, like planes. should be beautiful, and irons are good in the laundry

[g1v2]

Zamvolt in my opinion is no longer a warship, but an experienced one. That is, technologies are being worked out on it. As a real military unit is still too raw. This is about the same situation as with our B-585 “St. Petersburg”. When it was surrendered and everything seemed to be theoretically wonderful - a new technology level dap. But in reality - there is a mismatch of performance characteristics, here - a lack of power and had to drive it for many years in an experimental mode. Here, in my opinion, Zamvolt has the same situation.
And in the situation with Ticks, there is nothing strange. Ships are already quite old and were produced in the previous technological era. So nothing strange in that they break, no.
Our Buzzards also broke down constantly, as a result of which they were mainly attributed. Remained in service 3 pieces. And then, the combat readiness of one of them is in great doubt, even after the successful end of Tue. I don’t think that their oldest Tics are in much better condition.

[igorj 51]

And in the situation with Ticks, there is nothing strange. Ships are already quite old and were produced in the previous technological era. So nothing strange in that they break, no.

Specifically for this ship: Cruiser CG-67 Shiloh (Shiloh). Laid on a slipway: 01.08.1989/08.09.1990/24.04.1992 in Norfolk. Launched: XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX in the fleet since: XNUMX, so the ship is not so old by age, compared with those in the Russian Navy. information on this ship is taken from Wiki. Those who do not believe can check for themselves.

[g1v2]

28 years on long trips despite the fact that the tics were originally designed for 28 years of operation, is it not enough?

[voyaka uh]

They are replaced by the plan of 70 Earley Burkov.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: NEXUS

which "carries a meter, and five carry it."

[Boa kaa]

Quote: NEXUS

a dozen Tikanderog and write off for scrap.

Tiki has problems with the hull / add-in. Passion for aluminum alloys led to the fact that from the influence of sea water, the temperature difference of the body began to "delaminate". Incidentally, Oleg Kaptsov wrote about this at the time.
However, the ames are in no hurry to part with these powerful warships. They are mainly sent (note!) After upgrading to the reserve (!) Of the 7 order. Tics are already there.
So, this is a serious appendage of the existing fleet. Like the battleships of Comrade "Iowa", repaired, technically sound, with conservation of the basic mechanisms, turned into ship-museums.

[Popovich]

Quote: NEXUS

a dozen Tikanderog and write off for scrap ...

it will not work for scrap - they are wooden ..

[forester]

Quote: 73bor

It’s not necessary to fight with such thoughts, but immediately “hands uphill”!

Better to head in a noose or overboard with a stone around his neck, or better yet, just open the kingstones and drown him.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: 73bor

It’s not necessary to fight with such thoughts, but immediately “hands uphill”!

in fact, the Americans never fought (in the full sense of the term) really ... so all their thoughts about greatness are an ordinary American stereotype !!! hence the cling of thoughts of a real war !!!

[sharp-lad]

In recent decades, up to and including Vietnam, they fought quite hard.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: sharp-lad

In recent decades, up to and including Vietnam, they fought quite hard.

this is not war in its global understanding !!!

[d ^ Amir]

Yes, the usual whining .... pipifax is not enough ... there is no striptease ... and in general it’s a nightmare!

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: d ^ Amir

Yes, the usual whining .... pipifax is not enough ... there is no striptease ... and in general it’s a nightmare!

here, rather, a couple of relatively recent collisions of ships with a dozen corpses played a role !!!

[d ^ Amir]

Good evening!!! as an option ..... it is quite possible ....

[san4es]

This is a race. We are competing with our ship, who breaks earlier,

Stupidly? ... So open kingstones and home on boats

[Cutter]

Alexander, welcome! John McCain completed the "task" , now tell your American colleagues how to get out of the situation?

[san4es]

Healthy Sasha

Now tell your American colleagues how to get out of the situation?

So it turns out

[NEXUS]

I pray that we do not have to shoot down a North Korean rocket, otherwise everyone will see our inefficiency

Now we understand diapers and dry closets and transgender people in the US Army.,

[Alexander 3]

Pampers with toilets are understandable, but transgender ones to calm or excite? Or instead of a toilet and diapers.

[novel66]

transgender for convenience, not all the same women keep inflatable

[g1v2]

To intimidate the enemy and as a psychological weapon. The Persians decide to take their ship aboard, and there these line up on the deck. The Persians will think - "oh well them in the figs" and change their minds.
Or if our marines climb to storm. While ours will think who is in front of them - women or men and whether it is possible to beat them, the crew of the cruiser will get an advantage and time gain.
This is a delicate calculation and a cunning plan in one bottle.

[Mih1974]

Chet suspecting that our marines will not “disassemble” strongly during boarding; it’s not the peasants who kicked their faces. ”

[Yujanin.]

As you call a ship, so it will sail (s)

[Thunderbolt]

I found the source, this same "Navy Times", what’s going on there on the ship, Google translation gave out such a line ... )))

Often the focus (conducted by an anonymous survey) is the commander’s micromanagement and the unrest of castrated leaders

[Catherine II]

Quote: Thunderbolt

Often the focus (conducted by an anonymous survey) is the commander’s micromanagement and the unrest of castrated leaders

During the survey, quite often unpleasant moments came up with the leadership and discontent of subordinates.
I read the original. Strict discipline, frequent punishments, heavy workload, stress associated with the global situation. Dissatisfaction with the captain and management, not forgiving any mistake.
Apparently a very strict, meticulous captain with assistants, requiring a lot. Yes, even an unpleasant situation in the region. Stress.

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: Catherine II

Stress.

It is necessary for Eun to deliver the Su-24 with an urgent delivery, let it knock a bit poor, scored team. Maybe it will finish them off completely and they will raise a riot on the ship, if they just do not jump overboard crazy. \

[creak]

Quote: Catherine II

I read the original. Strict discipline, frequent punishments, heavy workload, stress associated with the global situation. Dissatisfaction with the captain and management, not forgiving any mistake.

Not only this in the original - it is also said there that such a moral situation on the cruiser developed under the extreme commander, who is currently no longer in command of the ship, has been written off ashore. Under the previous commander Morris, such polls showed a more favorable picture.
Such anonymous polls, according to the publication, can more objectively cover the moral climate and mood on ships and serve as an additional source of information for the command ..
Apparently, the ship really wasn’t all right, but this does not give reason to project this situation onto the entire fleet, which, according to some “experts” and a penny is not worth it and competing in wit about this ...
Hat-making for us more than once left us sideways and cost a lot of blood. Without a comprehensive study and objective assessment of a likely enemy, one cannot count on success in a conflict with him - the enemy has not only drug addicts and drunks in the ranks ...

[Corsair0304]

in 2016, it became known that Pentagon executives used the department’s credit cards, spending about $ 100 thousand to visit strip clubs and almost $ 1 million to casinos. A little later, at the U.S. Air Force base in Warren in Cheyenne (where 150 warheads with thermonuclear charges are stored and 1300 people serve) it became known that the soldiers responsible for nuclear weapons smoked marijuana and consumed cocaine.

Not only that, according to ABC News, Major General of the US Air Force Michael Carey was fired for "revelry with prostitutes and regular drinking in the workplace."


Well, what can I talk about?

[igorj 51]

A little later, at the U.S. Air Force base in Warren in Cheyenne (where 150 warheads with thermonuclear charges are stored and 1300 people serve) it became known that the soldiers responsible for nuclear weapons smoked marijuana and consumed cocaine.

E ...... Th ..! Do they get addicts dealing with nuclear weapons ..? And after that, someone else stutters that Eun is supposedly crazy and inadequate ..?

US Air Force Major General Michael Carey was fired for "revelry with prostitutes and regular drinking in the workplace."

Scribe...! Major General Air Force alcoholic and bl ... n ..! Get lost in the army of Americans ....! Yes, they can’t be trusted in any weapons there, not to mention nuclear ...

[aiden]

Yes, you don’t have to go far, in 404 he drinks a condiment. Everyone is drinking. It is good that those Americans did not give them nuclear weapons.

[creak]

Quote: Corsair0304

Well, what can I talk about?

Well, we can say, for example, that the Serdyukovs and Vasilyevs in the Armed Forces are not only with us ... There are enough of them in other countries ...

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Corsair0304

in 2016, it became known that Pentagon executives used the department’s credit cards, spending about $ 100 thousand to visit strip clubs and almost $ 1 million to casinos. A little later, at the U.S. Air Force base in Warren in Cheyenne (where 150 warheads with thermonuclear charges are stored and 1300 people serve) it became known that the soldiers responsible for nuclear weapons smoked marijuana and consumed cocaine.

Not only that, according to ABC News, Major General of the US Air Force Michael Carey was fired for "revelry with prostitutes and regular drinking in the workplace."


Well, what can I talk about?

On Tuesday, the Department of Justice brought a new charge of corruption and other crimes to seven Navy officers and an admiral. This case was called the "fat Leonard" bribery case, and it grew into a scandal of epic proportions, which continues in the US Navy for four years.

Among those indicted are Rear Admiral Bruce Loveless, a senior naval intelligence officer who recently resigned from an important Pentagon position, as well as four retired first-rank captains and a retired marine corps colonel. The military has been accused of committing crimes for eight years, from 2006 to 2014.

The sailors are accused of taking bribes in the form of chic gifts, prostitutes and luxury hotel rooms from "fat Leonard", as they called the Singapore-based military contractor Leonard Glenn Francis, who pleaded guilty to financial fraud of the Navy for tens of millions of dollars .

The multi-page indictment lists bribes allegedly received by the defendants, including a watch for 25 thousand dollars, boxes with Cohiba cigars for two thousand dollars, cognac for the same amount, and hotel rooms for $ 600 per night.

According to federal prosecutors, the naval command in response provided Francis with secret and official information that allowed his company Glenn Defense Marine Asia to deceive the Navy for tens of millions of dollars.

http://inosmi.ru/social/20170315/238884930.html

[Ace Tambourine]

urgently bring up tires ...
in exchange for popcorn ...

[aszzz888]

I pray that we do not have to shoot down the North Korean missile, otherwise everyone will see our inefficiency,

... and everyone could watch the rockets of the northerners fly through the meerkat patriots on Hokkaido ...

[Knowing]

Moral decline is a sign of failure.

[LAWNER]

One ship is not the whole fleet. Do not relax the Lord !!!

[igorj 51]

One ship is not the whole fleet. Do not relax the Lord !!!

Do you think that on the rest of the ships they have everything in openwork ..? Well, well ... In less than a year, two destroyers were put out of action as a result of the clashes .. Now, here's another surprise ... The commander of the 7th Fleet resigned .. Do you still think that they have all the top-ranking stuff there ..? What a commander and such a fleet ....

[Tomahawk]

Do you think that on the rest of the ships they have everything in openwork ..?

Well, a message about dissatisfaction was expressed only from him. And do you conduct such polls at your place? I’m sure there will also be a lot of dissatisfied.

In less than a year, two destroyers collapsed due to clashes ..]

and what? the combat value of the ships did not decrease from this.

The commander of the 7th Fleet resigned .. Do you still think that they have everything there, top-top ..? What a commander and such a fleet ....

The fleet is the strongest in the world in terms of technology and its number, although all the countries of the world will attack us, we will still win. What the commander has inflicted is that this happens regularly.

[igorj 51]

even though all countries of the world will attack us, we will win anyway.

Yah...? Your Americans have clearly overstated self-esteem. With it, very much overpriced ..

[Tomahawk]

Gather at least all the fleets of the world, all the same in terms of quantity and quality of equipment we will win, while we still have a 5th generation fighter, and 4; 4+; 4 ++ we have in reserve as much as is enough for 2 RF.

[sharp-lad]

It will be enough for the whole world to simply turn away from America, while attacking is not necessary. At the expense of the damaged ships, well, collisions showed that the ships are far from plywood and it will not be easy to drown them, but also that in the states there are a lot of gouging. Is the fleet the strongest? This is until the bases are intact, then the strength will decrease every day. Dissatisfaction .... only before the outbreak of the war, total, after for the dissatisfied there will be a military tribunal and a quick, harsh reprisal.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: LAWNER

One ship is not the whole fleet. Do not relax the Lord !!!

two are already under repair after collisions with dozens of corpses !!!

[bald]

Decomposition from the inside, well, not bad, taking into account the latest world events - the main thing is not to relax and only improve.

[novel66]

give revolutionary sailors on Broadway!

[bald]

If they started to moan on the ship, then what kind of things are they on Broadway, but in general I support it.

[novel66]

Baltic tea and propaganda can make them useful for society

[bald]

It’s like to put a pig in someone else’s garden, all the methods are good, you need to act in all directions and using permitted methods (from a human point of view).

[Altona]

Quote: NEXUS

Therefore, a dozen Ticanderogs are written off for scrap ... but something tells me that the same Zamvolt is the same trough that "carries a meter, and five carry it."

------------------------
The trough is not simple, but electric. In fact, a floating thermal power plant, it was planned to install a railgun (e / mag gun) on it and installed excess electricity generating capacities on it.

[Baobab]

People are getting a little smarter

[Fuzelir]

If this is true, then I am very surprised at what kind of specialists serve in the American Navy, BUT I repeat, if this is true.

[Serg65]

American sailors about their cruiser: prison

Eh guys, it’s you who didn’t serve on the RCC “Moskva” !!!!!

[novel66]

in fact, no one has canceled discipline in the army (well, except for aviation, of course, specificity ... )

[Kostadinov]

I pray that we do not have to shoot down a North Korean rocket, otherwise everyone will see our inefficiency

No need to pray because you don’t have to shoot down. All thinking people in the world know about the helplessness of the American missile defense because if the United States could have shot down a real missile, it has already been done for a long time.

[Berkut24]

This is a race. We are competing with our ship, who will break earlier

Yes, break it all at once. And we are calmer, and you have less nerves.

[Antokha]

In fact, you need to love your ship, whatever it may be. This is your home for the duration of the service. A team would be nice to be like a family. If they don’t have this in the fleet, even good equipment may not help. But, probably, not everything is so bad, it cannot be. The statistics of the answers were not shown to us either. But there are always whiners.

[Mwg]

Something that reminds me. The battleship "Pitemkin", 1905 !!! Revolution in the US is just around the corner?

[Zubr]

Ticonderoga Cruiser USS Port Royal (CG-73)

Flag of the United States.svg USA

Operators

US Navy

Years built 1983 year
Main characteristics
Displacement 9800 tons (full)
Length 172,8 m
Width 16,7 m
Precipitation 9,7 m
Engines 4 GTU General Electric LM2500
Power 80 000 l. with. (60 MW)
32 node speed (59,3 km / h)
Cruising range 6000 miles on 20 nodes,
3300 miles on 30 nodes
Crew of 387 people (including 33 officer)
weaponry
Artillery 2 × 1 - 127 mm AU Mk. 45 Mod. Xnumx
Anti-aircraft artillery 2 × 6 - 20-mm ZAU "Phalanx",
2 × 1 25 mm ZA Bushmaster,
2 — 4 12,7 mm machine gun
Missile weapons 2 × 4 missile launcher "Harpoon"
UVP on 122 Tomahawk missile cell
SM-1
2 mine-torpedo armament of three-pipe 324-mm torpedo tubes
2 Helicopter Aviation Group

Moreover, it is also a key link in the missile defense system.

Why are they already completely turned into girls ?!

[nivander]

during the American Civil War, the Battle of Shiloh killed more Americans than in all previous wars combined

[rotmistr60]

We are competing with our ship, who will break earlier

Apparently, the sailors will break earlier.

[Egorovich]

Here it is the depth of army service. It is the same everywhere. With small nuances. Mattresses are the same as everyone, not SUPERMacho. Only they do not seem to know.

[Snail N9]

Torn phrases taken out of context say absolutely nothing. "Lack of training", but why complain about who "breaks faster, we or the ship"? What are they doing there so that they will soon “break”, if not training? "News" "sucked out of a finger" .... hello to "Cook" and "Khibiny" ....

[Ace Tambourine]

Mother Pull ...
And at -20, these heroes did not try to run along the steppe in 2 meter snowdrifts along the BG with DShK on the shoulder? And in the barracks at -7 to sleep in an overcoat and under 2 mattresses, when did the heating system unfreeze due to an asleep Uzbek in a stoker?

[Ace Tambourine]

It’s just that he himself went through it. The 7th division “Khlopotun” of the now defunct GZRP Magnitogorsk, 86g

[Artyushka Telepathy]

Che current does not print in VO))) everything is bad for the Yankees and everything is black for them and the monuments are insulted here)))

[igorj 51]

everything for the Yankees is bad, absolutely everything, and they also have blacks lynching and offending the monuments here)))

Nope ... The Yankees hurt everything ... And there are absolutely no problems .. But everything is lying to VO ... :)))

[Uryukc]

Quote: maxim947

More like a fake

maxim947,
Before throwing such words, maybe it was worth checking the source? For the lazy but loud: https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2017/10/
09 / i-now-hate-my-ship-surveys-reveal-disastrous-m
orale-on-cruiser-shiloh /
So, someone doesn’t like the news, because "they can only lie on our TV set," but check for scrap, and BE was turned into a "legend of Cook", those who dare to argue are declared sectarians and quilted jackets.

[Snail N9]

So what? Followed the link and there is nothing there! Maybe they’ve removed it, but now there’s nothing even closely resembling an article about a “frightened crew”.

[Uryukc]

'I now hate my ship' tell me how this statement is translated?
I’m clarifying the above link not about Cook, but about the topic of the article. Cook is mentioned as an example of turning an “event” into a “city history”. And so yes, now CNN's report about Cook can no longer be found, well, in any case, it didn’t work out to me, although when I had this whole story, I checked it. The story itself about Cook went precisely from the filing of Western "journalists."

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Uryukc

'I now hate my ship' tell me how this statement is translated?

I don't like this trough

[Uryukc]

Soft translation

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Uryukc

Soft translation

Not copyright even once. And to catch warnings out of the blue - well, there is no desire

[Uryukc]

Well, if so: "Now I I hate your ship "?

[aiden]

And who will confirm the information of this source? I can also write that I conducted an anonymous poll on TAKR Kuznetsov, and all respondents said that this trough should be written off, because it is useless

[Uryukc]

Any source can be called into question. In this case, at least it cannot be argued that this is a “about Kremlin propaganda” publication, as the name implies, the resource talks about the American Navy, and judging by the site this is not the last resource.

[XXXIII]

Yesterday's post fits no matter how best ...

"Mattis: US Army must be ready for a military solution to the DPRK problem"
What is the DPRK, the American army is already passing tests to Kim ......

[NordUral]

It is possible that this sailor knows what he is saying, but do not reassure yourself. But the defense industry of the United States has incorporated many talented people from all over the world, and many from our country.
It’s better to consider the enemy strong than worthless.