He is not a Pucdemon ... What was ultimately proclaimed in Catalonia?

The actions of the head of Catalonia, Carles Puchdemon, raised questions from both supporters and opponents of the declaration of Catalan sovereignty. At first, Puchdemon ordered to postpone the meeting of the local government for about an hour in order to “not exacerbate the situation”, and then announced from the rostrum that until the final declaration on the results of the referendum would be given a move to find a compromise solution in contact with Madrid.

Against this background, according to the news agency TASS, Pucdemon signed his final declaration declaring the independence of Catalonia from Spain.

From the text of a document signed by Pucdemon and 72 more representatives of local authorities:

We establish the Catalan Republic as an independent and sovereign, legal, democratic and social state.

Madrid regarded these actions as a unilateral declaration of independence by Catalonia, which is said to entail consequences, including the criminal prosecution of current Catalan political leaders.

Proponents of the Catalan branch regarded the actions of the so-called generality and its heads as softness and demanded to declare independence not only in the form of a signature on paper, but also to the people who gathered in Barcelona to greet the decision about separation from Spain.

Comments

[210ox]

Most likely they will arrest him ... That’s all independence. Or he will back down ..

[Komsomol]

I think more preferences will be squeezed out of Madrid with more, and that’s all. This is not painful for them (the authorities of Catalonia, not ordinary people) and this independence is needed ...

[oldseaman1957]

Quote: Komsomol

They themselves (the authorities of Catalonia, not ordinary people) are not hurt then they need this independence ...

- Yes, if they declare independence, then so many nishtyaks will break off! And so they got used to it, they’ve already grown together ... So from a complete belly of good with incomprehensible prospects they are not looking too much, especially gentlemen in power.

[Shurik70]

PUTCH-DEMON ... What a wonderful, suitable surname just for such a thing that he muddied. Interestingly, but the Catalans have many who understand what REALLY happens? Catalans have been to Ukraine a lot in the last couple of years?

[210ox]

There they have without it .. preferences .. But they thought to cut down even more .. And the coast, Barcelona, ​​a tourist mecca and industry. Well, like ours in the late 80s ...

Quote: Komsomol

I think more preferences will be squeezed out of Madrid with more, and that’s all. This is not painful for them (the authorities of Catalonia, not ordinary people) and this independence is needed ...

[hrych]

This is a matter of principle. Yes, and these kings are tired ...

[rotmistr60]

Most likely they arrest him ...

210Q, do you really think so? Why then work out a little back? In general, this Puigdemon reminds me of today's Poroshenko - he said one thing, thought another, but did the third. Some kind of backstage agreement with the Spanish government (threats, compromise ...) is clearly visible.

[LSA57]

Quote: rotmistr60

In general, this Puigdemon reminds me of today's Poroshenko - he said one thing, thought another, but did the third.

mixed with yanuca. in the most crucial moment to put in the pants

[210ox]

He looks like this character most likely.

Quote: LSA57

Quote: rotmistr60

In general, this Puigdemon reminds me of today's Poroshenko - he said one thing, thought another, but did the third.

mixed with yanuca. in the most crucial moment to put in the pants

[siberalt]

There is a declaration of independence for Catalonia, and there are also transitional provisions. But to make Donbass from Catalonia failed. Not that situation. But Europe has shown a double approach to such its unshakable values, such as democracy and the will of the people. The shame of Europe in relation to the events in Catalonia is obvious.

[LSA57]

Quote: siberalt

But Europe has shown a double approach to such its unshakable values, such as democracy and the will of the people. The shame of Europe regarding the events in Catalonia is obvious.

so they showed it so many times ... they themselves do not pay attention to it

[siberalt]

And Catalonia did not set the task of leaving the EU. Ordinary separatism and nothing cardinal. Then what is the point in this booze, except to show yourself cool? The monarchy in Spain is nominal, they rule the country parliament and government.

[novel66]

the separs are damned, everywhere they are

[Monarchist]

Juan Carlos had a lot of power, but shared with the Cortes. And most importantly, he had authority when Molino took the whole parliament hostage, Juan Carlos polamal "the whole Raspberry." And the generals "laid" in his pants. As a result, answered “switchman” Molino. Although it is clear to everyone that Molino was not alone

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Quote: siberalt

There is a declaration of independence for Catalonia, and there are also transitional provisions. But to make Donbass from Catalonia failed. Not that situation. But Europe has shown a double approach to such its unshakable values, such as democracy and the will of the people. The shame of Europe in relation to the events in Catalonia is obvious.

Are you writing from the North Pole? Do you have the concept of the Constitution?
I am for the expression and opinion of peoples. Our Crimea is one hundred pounds. But Catalonia is not autonomy. And here the "dog is buried" by an adult.
Catalonia will not be separate from Spain. Guarantee another 25 years.

[LSA57]

Quote: 210ox

Or go back down ..

already gone. all these half measures are the inclusion of "R" speed

[Nashensky city]

Looks like he had a "outreach". It seems to be for separation, but somehow hesitantly and quietly. Some kind of nominal independence, paper, will merge

[starogil]

The bluffs were blown away, thrashed into a puddle, after all.

[Smog]

Swing a hundred, hit a ruble.

[BMP-2]

And it seems to me so far only a penny!

[Mountain shooter]

The mountain gave birth to a mouse! At the last moment, the leader ... was scared! The people are disappointed. Madrid rubs his hands. Personally, I did not welcome such separatism - it can “blow up” Europe and make Barcelona an “uncomfortable” city. I love him
But I love Yalta more ...

[rotmistr60]

At the last moment, the leader ... was scared! The people are disappointed. Madrid rubs his hands

And I'm talking about the same thing in response to the commentary 210qq (arrest ...). It can be said simply in Russian - there weren’t enough iron eggs (I ask the moderators not to strain).

[Stas157]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Personally, I did not welcome such separatism ..

Judging by your logic, Crimea with Donbass are also separatists? Just do not justify their position, as the Americans do. I see here, I don’t see there! Furnish everything with conventions and filters, such as the type: but in Ukraine there was a change of power at that moment! Indeed, for each specific case, you can invent your own conventions. And so we descend to the level of demagoguery.

[Herculesic]

The idea was good, and the implementation was quick. In fact, they threw the Catalans with their referendum

[LSA57]

Quote: Herkulesich

In fact, they threw the Catalans with their referendum

the wrong "leader" was chosen. populist

[BMP-2]

Interestingly, I correctly guessed the guilty?

[moskowit]

"They drank, ate, had fun, counted, wept ..."

[Gormenghast]

An example of the use of popular expression of will not for its implementation, but for political dividends received by the organizers.

[LSA57]

Quote: Gormengast

An example of the use of popular expression of will not for its implementation, but for political dividends received by the organizers.

"Yes. Yes. No. Yes." remembered?

[BMP-2]

Do not forget - do not forgive.

[evil partisan]

Puchdemon is actually a notorious Anglophile. who fed half his life from the hands of the Queen. There is great suspicion that Great Britain is behind him.

[samoletil18]

And what is the British doing with this? Only Gibraltar is important to them in Spain, in light of which they are more interested in the separation of Catalonia than integrity. They persuaded the Scottish "separators" not to misbehave. So that Puigdemon did not play into Elizabeth’s hand with his incomprehensible decision.

[Snail N9]

Oh, how it feels like the same "puffing up" thing that happened recently in Greece. There, too, Tsipras “puffed out” his cheeks, “puffed out”, swaggered, and then, “zilch” and backward, spread out in front of the European Union, like a rug-type do what you want, we (Greeks) still have nowhere to go ...

[LSA57]

Quote: Snail N9

There, too, Tsipras “puffed out” his cheeks, “puffed out”, swaggered, and then- “zilch” and backward, spread out in front of the European Union, like a rug-type do whatever you want-

paraphrasing Comrade Stalin, Money is everything

[AID.S]

Separated, they will not live better. This is even if the problems in separation are not created by Spain.

[vnord]

There is a very strong separatism, ten years called the Catalan Spaniard, almost beat ....
I was very shocked by such nationalism there.

[Snail N9]

Yes, there these "patchwork kingdoms" still do not let sleep those who see themselves at the head, albeit of a "patchwork", but independent state. Look and in Italy the same garbage .... Actually the whole "United Europe" "patchwork" education.

[Will]

If there is no strong supporter ready to cover up, nothing will come of it ...

[16112014nk]

Puigdemon will turn into Pokemon.
"I think so" ©

[rocket757]

Puchdemon, Tsipras ... can anyone else show up!
Most of them are not like war, serious losses are unacceptable ... what kind of independence? would not get worse - that’s the whole choice.
In principle, the normal, understandable desire of people ... for freedom, independence is the inheritance of the chosen / frostbitten, so we will see how it will be?

[assa67]

nobody needs a civil war ....

[Magua]

It will be zilch as with a referendum with Greece