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How Rosoboronexport's briefcase became obese

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Why I'm not very interesting news about the next contracts of Russia with any country on the supply of missile defense systems and air defense? No, I'm all for it! Our defense industry started making money. It is to earn, and not wait for "allocations" of the budget. You look at the workers of defense enterprises and you are amazed even by external changes. Proud to become. With dignity. Eagles!




They have a right! I here "picked it up" in my bookmarks. So, according to some experts, Rosoboronexport’s order book weighed 48 billion dollars a year and a half ago. This year, again, according to experts, the portfolio has gained weight. Well scored so - over 60 billion! And somehow "go on a diet" does not want.

Remember the very recent meeting of our president with the king of Saudi Arabia? We sat and talked about this, about this. Probably ate together. Subordinates also sat. Also talked about this, about this. And what is the result? As a result, the briefcase was stouter again. The whole world is surprised at him. Maybe with the metabolism of something? And in my opinion, this is not a metabolism, but an exchange of goods for money.

By the way, most readers are confident that the entire visit for the Saudis was limited to the purchase of our Triumphs. Well, and agree on oil. But C-400 is only part of what the king bought. Most, but part. Syria showed everyone not only the strength of the Russian army, but the power of Russian weapons.

Saudi Arabia will now arm its army with our Cornet-EM anti-tank complexes. And also in the list of “wooden friends” are the heavy flamethrower systems TOC-1 “Buratino”, AGS-30 grenade launchers, Kalashnikov AK-103 assault rifles. Moreover, the King liked the machines so much that a contract was signed for the licensed production of this weapons and ammunition in the kingdom.

What happened a little earlier? Why is Iran behaving so bravely today? Why are the Turks not shy to send "the strongest world army" in ... I do not know how this place is called in Turkish. And the portfolio is to blame. Our "fat man" so affects the leaders and the military of these countries. Infuses, so to speak.

Iran received S-300 from us. And it turned out that with the presence of these complexes, the belligerent fervor of Iran’s opponents somehow diminished. Already really thinking about the negotiations. Already considering the Iranian ground forces. On the subject of power and ability to fight. Without a single launch, the S-300 "landed" the American Aviation to the ground. They fly around ... More precisely they fly around.

And if you still look early? In 2014 year. Crimea. How well our air defense systems worked to improve the lives of Crimeans. No one wants to fly around the peninsula. Noise no. Ecology ... One word- "Triumph". And if the whole complex of Crimean systems is viewed, then the sea has become cleaner. Any "Yusov" corvettes do not come close.

But back to our portfolio. "Povoroshim" fat man. We'll see to whom he has more calmly made or will make life. Which of our partners "has a heart bleeding" for their own sky, for the purity of their own air.

Chinese. Well, no wonder they are the first economy in the world today. The first and warning in advance. So what? They already get ours, or rather their own already, “Triumphs”. And, they say, a decent amount will receive. 3 shelf, i.e. 6 full divisions C-400.

Turks? So far, only made an advance payment. But also they were very concerned about the air over their native country. And do not pay attention to the statements of the Turkish Prime Minister. "We want technology." Well yes. And from a dead donkey's ears. Get it from Pushkin. Our portfolio and will not notice the "loss of a fighter." It will be insulting of course. But not critical.

The Hindus have been "storming" Rosoboronexport for six months on the issue of negotiations on this system. According to my information, back in March, the first messengers appeared. “Give us about five of these“ Triumphs ”. And we’ll give you 6 billions of dollars for that” ... And they will ask C-400 for the briefcase. Fatty they are good. Maybe because the fed.

But very close and the other guys are wandering about. And they also glance at the briefcase. Algeria, Vietnam, Azerbaijan, Egypt, Serbia, Peru, Chile, Nigeria, Malaysia, Indonesia. Prowling and waiting for the Hindu to agree to be the first at the table. And how in such conditions portfolio "go on a diet"?

You know, he does not need to torture the body with these diets. What has grown, has grown. Moreover, the "portfolio obesity" is very beneficial effect on the behavior of yard hooligans. Well, those that live behind the puddle. Previously, they calmly came anywhere, did anything. Established their hooligan laws. They knew that the answer "kids" nothing.

And today we have already begun to think. Is it worth it. Suddenly, the briefcase has already been there and left its “Triumphs”? In the courtyard already some order established. It became quiet. And imagine what will happen when these same C-300, C-400 will be among those whom the hooligans and people did not consider? Represent silence in Asia. Silence in Africa.

"" Mr. Iranian, you stepped on my foot! -Oh, I'm sorry! I'm not on purpose. Forgive, dear! " Or there: "Dear Chinese, please kindly do a favor, please remove your fishermen from the disputed islands! Yes, no question, dear Korean. With our great pleasure. Forgive me if I disturbed your peace!" ...

This is our tricky briefcase. Plump, ruddy and with Russian cunning. Quietly, without noise and din, he took away the right to decide for everyone from the “hobby” hooligans. While not quite, however, selected. Do not have time to put all the complexes. But, again, the guys wander around. They are waiting for the opportunity to agree with the briefcase.

We were yesterday, everyone called the gas station. From TV screens, even now they sometimes “broadcast” on the raw character of our economy. "Russia is sitting on the oil and gas needle!". Yes, for a long time we are no longer sitting on this needle. Peeled off because it hurts on the needle. However, they did not look at the chair where they decided to move. And there is also a needle ... Only not oil and gas, but high-tech. And it does not prick at all.

And if you stop ironic, then indeed, the emergence of Russian weapons in Asian and African markets had a cold shower on world politics. The United States can no longer fearlessly act as the master of the fate of any state. It's one thing to beat an unarmed. Another thing to get a serious otvetku. North Korea showed small states how to besiege Americans.

Koreans find it difficult to buy serious weapons. The country is under sanctions and there is no "extra" money. Therefore, they went along the path of creating nuclear weapons. But those others who have money, but do not want to join a nuclear club, may well get along with serious air defense and missile defense systems. The center of power, about which our "partners" love to talk, is no longer in the United States. At a minimum, this center is divided into two. Moscow and Washington. But there is still Beijing, Delhi, Brasilia ...

I do not know about you, but I like our defenders. Like their products paradoxical action. It seems to be a military product. For war intended. But in fact it comes out - for the world! As Crimeans live in peace today, so will citizens of Asian and African countries live tomorrow.

And let the portfolio get fatter. This is for him to face, and to our advantage. For all of us...
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  1. NEXUS
    NEXUS 11 October 2017 07: 20
    10
    Somehow here on VO I had a bite with one forum member about the fact that the defense industry is unprofitable and only eats up the country's budget. (As he claimed). And now, the portfolio of orders is growing, the defense industry is gaining momentum and is already a good source of state revenue. And of course, the Syrian events, the same Patriot Park (year-round exhibition), tank biathlon and army games in general played a significant role in this. I am sure that next year the portfolio of orders will add even more weight, since Iraq will be behind Syria, based on the logic, and after Libya. And the Russian new weapon will show itself more than once.
    1. seti
      seti 11 October 2017 08: 36
      +9
      Of course, a hit on Syria showed that this is a blow if not in the top ten so into the nine. For the goodies. The Syrian company is relatively inexpensive and feeds itself. The influence on all surrounding players has also grown, and the weight of our air forces and ground forces, especially the MTR, has risen sharply. And a portfolio of orders as described above.
      It would be good if they would equally effectively resolve the issue not even with the Donbass but with Ukrostan. I hope our leadership has a plan and it is just waiting in the wings.
    2. Alexey-74
      Alexey-74 11 October 2017 08: 52
      +3
      Absolutely right! And imagine what will happen to the defense industry when the Su-57, MBT Armata, Kurganets, S-500 Prometheus go to the series .......... there will be a turn !!!
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 11 October 2017 08: 55
        +7
        Quote: Alexey-74
        what will happen to the defenders when we go into the series Su-57,

        An interesting observation ... F-35+ F-22= su-57
        And about the general project of the SU-57 ... dug up such news ...
        The Radioelectronic Technologies Concern completed the development and manufacture of a test bench for the study and measurement of the characteristics of the radio photon element base, radio photon devices and transmit-receive modules (PPM) and the creation of a mock-up of radio-photon devices ROFAR. The ROFAR project is planned to be completed in 2019 after five stages of development work.

        The mock-up of the radiofoton transmitting path (PPM) ROFAR is completely built on the domestic key radiophotonic elements developed during the stage. The layout demonstrates the practical implementation of the principle of photon generation with modulation by an RF signal, as well as effective photovoltaic detection, followed by transmission of powerful nanosecond pulses over a radio path in a wide range of repetition frequencies.

        The use of radio-phased phased array antennas (ROFAR) on the ship will reduce the overall dimensions of electronic equipment by 5-7 times. Radio-phased phased array antennas will significantly expand the capabilities of modern communications and radars - their resolution will increase tenfold. If a modern locator has a radiation frequency of 10 GHz, 3 cm with a spectrum width of 1-2 GHz, then in ROFAR this frequency can be from 1 Hz to 100 GHz at the same time. In practice, this means that ROFAR can provide a detailed, three-dimensional image of what is happening at a distance of hundreds of kilometers from it. For example, at a distance of 400 km, you can not just see a person, but recognize his face.
        The carriers of this technology will be naval platforms, in particular radar stations of ships. In the future, ROFAR technology will be used on submarines of the latest projects.
        The ultra-wide bandwidth of the ROFAR signal allows you to get a practically television image in the radar range. The technology of radio photonics, in particular, should open up new opportunities for improving the “smart skin” on Russian helicopters and aircraft of the latest generation.

        According to the adviser to the first deputy general director of KRET V.G. Mikheev, ROFAR will allow us to see a plane 500 kilometers away, as if we were standing 50 meters from it at the airport, his portrait in the video range. Moreover, if necessary, this technology will allow you to look into the plane itself, to find out what people and equipment are in it, since the signal can go through any obstacles, even meter-long lead walls.
        1. Pulya
          Pulya 11 October 2017 17: 28
          +2
          And about the general project of the SU-57 ... dug up such news ...

          It looks like a fantasy!
          About such technologies, I read science fiction books in the 80s ...
          Do not really live out ???
          After all, 16-17 years ago, we did not suspect which gadgets we would carry in our pocket laughing
          And now this is commonplace!
          Thanks for the IMF !!!
      2. LAWNER
        LAWNER 11 October 2017 10: 27
        +1
        So that individuals do not say that we sell only weapons and oil, I propose to advertise on military equipment .... For example; Vologda oil, Baum-bach seeds, pasta factory 80 years without Ilyich !!!
        And the performance characteristics of the weapons will not fall and the people will calm down))))
      3. Berkut24
        Berkut24 11 October 2017 15: 15
        0
        Su-57, MBT "Armata", "Kurganets", S-500 "Prometheus" .......... the queue will be !!!

        And now it’s the turn. And not only because our weapons are popular, but also because factories have real problems with the speed and efficiency of production, the presence of a large amount of obsolete equipment and still a large number of "effective managers" attached by dads "from there." And do not forget. that our army also needs to order something.
        As for the Saudis, after the orders of $ 69 billion from the Americans this year, our $ 3 billion poka do not have much to the delight.
      4. Reklastik
        Reklastik 11 October 2017 17: 49
        0
        The main thing is that the numbers are bigger and the names are more brutal: T-1000 "Thunderer", K-0017 "Titan", 0 + 2 * i "Mace", 81E + 15 "Vladyka" laughing
        1. marder7
          marder7 12 October 2017 14: 28
          0
          scary and brutal names, this is for mattresses and gay men they don't like that! and here's the simple thing: - Pinocchio, Tulip, Khibiny, Zoo, Rook, and more.
    3. Okolotochny
      Okolotochny 13 October 2017 14: 37
      +6
      Last year, Professor Do Sirou argued about it. Although examples were given to him that the defense industry was pulling along with the civil sector, GLONASS was an example to that, it was thought for the needs of the Navy, and now it is difficult to imagine any gadget without it.
  2. Orel
    Orel 11 October 2017 08: 38
    +7
    Yesterday everyone called us a gas station in a row. From television screens, and now sometimes "broadcast" about the raw material nature of our economy.


    So raw is. Look at the export structure. As there was an overwhelming majority of resources or goods with a low degree of processing, it remained, even more than it was. Weapons did not, do not, and will not occupy any major share in our exports. Exports from Russia over the past year at $ 280 billion. How many percent of this weapon takes ??? One? Or two? There is not a single country in the world that could boost the economy in the military industry. These times are long gone. Now the economy has been informational for a long time. Militarism does not raise the country, although it is necessary to sell weapons if they pay for it, but this is not a panacea or a path to a bright future for the country. Just a pleasant fact and no more. This has no serious macroeconomic effect for Russia. Cherry at the auction, which is not.
    1. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 11 October 2017 08: 54
      +5
      So take and analyze! How much grain is exported, how many weapons, and how much oil ... These data are. You come in and analyze. You’ll be surprised!
      And grain is NOT RAW MATERIAL. A high-tech product ...
      1. Orel
        Orel 11 October 2017 09: 07
        +2
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        And grain is NOT RAW MATERIAL. A high-tech product ...


        According to this logic, oil and gas should be a “high-tech product”. They are also not easy to mine. We are not exporting flour, bread, confectionery or special feeds, the same pasta, but grain. Grain is a primary product, and therefore - raw materials.
        1. vasilkovichi
          vasilkovichi 11 October 2017 10: 39
          +6
          Grain is not a raw material, but a strategic product. And that’s not all. We have not only replaced the pork and poultry that we used to buy from the same amers, but we are already exporting and, from next year, exports will increase. To the Middle East, the same Saudis go beef. Yes, while not as much as we would like, but this is export, not import. Is this not an addition to the non-resource budget? Or is meat also raw?))) It is necessary to look at the root. The fact that exports are still not large is not so important compared to the fact that imports for the above goods are equal to zero! Is zero for imports of grain and meat not an addition to the budget?
          1. bandabas
            bandabas 11 October 2017 13: 11
            +1
            Good strategic product. This year is also a super grain harvest. Only normal varieties will be sold over the hill, and their citizens will be fed fodder, and at exorbitant prices. I remember last year Tkachenko was crucified before the GDP, how much dough was cut down from grain exports, and I got the question- "Everything is fine, but citizens need to leave something." This year will also be left.
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      2. BAI
        BAI 11 October 2017 09: 48
        +4
        No illusions needed. We sit on raw materials.
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 11 October 2017 13: 49
          +1

          In Russia, there is a chronic shortage of labor, and the largest country in the world, of course, that we will export goods with low added value, because we ourselves do not have enough of this “added value”.
          Please note that mining provides only 10% of GDP including export.
      3. krops777
        krops777 11 October 2017 15: 56
        0
        And grain is NOT RAW MATERIAL. A high-tech product ...


        Naturally, the seed is in every way more complicated than the S-400, from it a living sprout that grows over the next year, try to do it. laughing
    2. g1v2
      g1v2 11 October 2017 12: 03
      +7
      The economy of the British Empire rose on the Cardiff coal. The US economy is on the oil trade and later on controlling its flows. There Trump is eager for the hydrocarbon market to come out with his shale oil and liquefied gas. Nothing will ever give us such money as hydrocarbons (oil, gas, coal) and products of their processing. It is a fact. In 2015, the export of mineral resources from the Russian Federation was estimated at 219 billion. And the second largest article, metals and products from them - 34 billion. The difference is about 7 times. And the possibility of increasing this export item, with huge competition between India and China, is not visible. request Everything else is not the same numbers at all.
      The only thing that can be compared with the export of hydrocarbons themselves is petrochemical products. Only they can bring comparable money to the country. And the state is doing this. The refinery modernization program was adopted back in 2011. Only one under construction ZapSibNeftekhim what is worth. hi
      And about the defense. Of course, arms exports on the scale of the country's economy are not very noticeable in profit, but for the industry itself it is extremely important. VPK is the most technologically advanced branch of any industry, locomotive pulling a bunch of related industries and the technological level of the country as a whole. Moreover, these technologies then go into civilian life. The well-known silicone (actually silicon) valley arose precisely as a military project. They were engaged in radars. And then VPC technology went into civilian life. And over the years, the United States received the most famous technology cluster for the development of technologies of both civilian and military orientations. request
      Well, I'm not talking about such a simple thing as high-tech jobs. Plus - training for these places. Plus - a bunch of involved enterprises in metallurgy, chemistry and engineering. The production of technology itself is the top of the pyramid.
    3. Setrac
      Setrac 11 October 2017 13: 37
      +4
      Quote: Orel
      So raw is. Look at the export structure.

      You have broken causality, economics and exports are not synonyms. Our economy is definitely not raw.
      Quote: Orel
      Militarism does not raise the country

      Tell the Americans.
      1. Sharansky
        Sharansky 11 October 2017 15: 09
        +2
        Quote: Setrac
        Our economy is definitely not raw.

        Yeah, she's hyper-raw.
        The share of oil and gas revenues in the structure of budget revenues is about 40%
        According to the same Ministry of Finance, foreign economic activity for 98% consists of duties (80% of export and 18% of import). Non-resource exports account for only 8%, and 90% of foreign economic activity (0,8 * 0,92 + 0,18 * 0,92) - raw material income. In numbers, it is 4917 billion rubles.
        Imported goods and services are paid for by income from foreign economic activity, which, as we have found out, consists of 90% of raw material income. Imports purchased and imported into the Russian Federation are subject to VAT. For an amount of $ 286 billion, 18% VAT is $ 51,48 billion. 90% of this amount is $ 46,332 billion. At a dollar exchange rate of 63 rubles, it is 2919 billion rubles.
        Here we add taxes on this import. Were it not for imports purchased for raw materials, there would be no taxes on it. Here the amount indicated is 1821,8 billion rubles.
        Taxes, fees and charges for the use of natural resources, obviously, another raw material income - 2884,6 billion.
        As a result, we get 4917 + 2919 + 1821,8 + 2884,6 = 12542,4 billion rubles. So much money to the federal budget of the country is received from the sale of raw materials and taxes taken from its sale. In percentage terms, this is 86,5% of the federal budget.

        1. Setrac
          Setrac 11 October 2017 17: 02
          0
          Quote: Sharansky
          The share of oil and gas revenues in the structure of budget revenues is about 40%

          So what? This reduces the tax burden on manufacturing enterprises.
          Quote: Sharansky
          Yeah, she's hyper-raw.

          I repeat, the share of the extractive sector (in total, and not just the oil and gas) in the structure of Russia's GDP is ten percent, TEN PERCENTS OF CARL, is this your raw material economy?
          For example, in Norway - 11% only oil without other types of raw materials, in Saudi Arabia - 46% - only oil.
          1. Sharansky
            Sharansky 12 October 2017 11: 29
            0
            EXPRESS !!!! !!!! 111
            What will happen to the budget of the Russian Federation without oil and other raw materials, Karl? And what will happen to GDP? Try to comprehend this.
            1. vladimirvn
              vladimirvn 12 October 2017 12: 20
              +1
              And why should we be ashamed of the sale of oil and gas. Are states not selling them? And the fact that the percentage in their GDP of services is off-scale, is this nothing?
              1. Sharansky
                Sharansky 12 October 2017 12: 49
                +1
                A country that has claims greater than a banana republic should produce everything on its own, and not exchange bananas for beads and American iPhones.
                Quote: vladimirvn
                And the fact that the percentage in their GDP of services is off-scale, is this nothing?

                it is an indicator of a developed post-industrial society, but what?
                1. vladimirvn
                  vladimirvn 12 October 2017 13: 33
                  0
                  Quote: Sharansky
                  A country that has claims greater than a banana republic must produce everything itself

                  All by herself? !!! Tell me a country that produces everything by itself? Probably the promised land. laughing
                  ..this is an indicator of a developed post-industrial society, but what? ...
                  but nothing. He sold to you, you sold to another, that third, and this is all included in the GDP. Awesomeness! Should it be considered so, then our GDP should have been 2 times more.
                  1. Sharansky
                    Sharansky 12 October 2017 14: 12
                    +1
                    Quote: vladimirvn
                    All by herself? !!! Tell me a country that produces everything by itself? Probably the promised land.

                    suddenly it is the DPRK, so there is much to strive for. But seriously, the same is China or the United States.
                    Quote: vladimirvn
                    Should it be considered so, then our GDP should have been 2 times more.

                    I’ll probably tell you a big secret, but Russia's GDP is considered in exactly the same way. And about 2 times more, I remember one president promised to somehow do just that in 10 years. Do not tell me, what happened?
                    1. vladimirvn
                      vladimirvn 12 October 2017 14: 36
                      0
                      This is how to count. laughing Is it possible that our "gray" economy of services is brought out of the shadows. That hoo how much will come laughing
                      At the expense of China I agree, at the expense of the States, no. We do not agree. hi
                      1. Sharansky
                        Sharansky 12 October 2017 14: 45
                        0
                        But do not count, a stone flower does not come out. Four fifths of the income is exclusively raw materials, not technological products. That is a stupid sale of national wealth. And here not opinions, but bare facts.
                        About the doubling of GDP, as expected, you could not tell anything.
                2. Setrac
                  Setrac 12 October 2017 20: 03
                  0
                  Quote: Sharansky
                  A country that has claims greater than a banana republic must produce everything itself

                  there are no such countries in nature
            2. Setrac
              Setrac 12 October 2017 20: 02
              0
              Quote: Sharansky
              What will happen to the budget of the Russian Federation without oil and other raw materials, Karl?

              But who will allow us not to sell raw materials?
              Quote: Sharansky
              And what will happen to GDP?

              And what will happen to the economics of customers?
              Export is minuscule in the structure of Russia's GDP.
              1. Sharansky
                Sharansky 12 October 2017 20: 12
                +1
                Quote: Setrac
                But who will allow us not to sell raw materials?

                it will simply be bought less. Guess what happens to a budget that is completely dependent on the sale of resources?
                Quote: Setrac
                Export is minuscule in the structure of Russia's GDP.

                This does not cancel the raw material nature of the economy and the country's complete dependence on trade in resources.
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                  1. Sharansky
                    Sharansky 12 October 2017 21: 33
                    +1
                    You first deal with yourself before trying to insult anyone.
                    MOSCOW, May 15 - RIA Novosti. Russian President Vladimir Putin approved the country's economic security strategy for the period until 2030
                    Among the main threats are named .. a change in the structure of global demand for Energy resourcesexhaustion commodity export model of economic development and depletion of the resource base fuel and raw materials industries.
                    RIA Novosti https://ria.ru/economy/20170515/1494281108.html

                    Judging by your words, is he also alternatively gifted?
                    1. Setrac
                      Setrac 12 October 2017 21: 38
                      +1
                      Quote: Sharansky
                      Judging by your words, is he also alternatively gifted?

                      Why jump like a flea from one question to another? You said that Russia has a commodity economy, I have given you the figures - 10% of Russia's GDP - the WHOLE commodity sector.
                      And I brought this to you more than once, but for some reason it does not reach you, apparently something is wrong with the perception.
                      Quote: Sharansky
                      Among the main threats are named ..

                      I don’t care what is called there.
                      1. Sharansky
                        Sharansky 12 October 2017 22: 08
                        0
                        Quote: Setrac
                        I don’t care what is called there.

                        Well of course I don’t care. The president of the country is apparently dumber than you, he thinks that the country has an export-raw material model of the economy, but in fact it’s like that! You would enlighten the stupid one.
                        Quote: Setrac
                        for some reason doesn’t reach you

                        for some reason, it doesn’t reach you that the model of the economy and GDP is trivial about different things. Learn the materiel before stating anything.
                        https://www.fundamental-research.ru/ru/article/vi
                        ew? id = 34904
                        for example, for starters
            3. Ehanatone
              Ehanatone 14 October 2017 16: 38
              -1
              Sharan
              AmozhetNeFse!? ...
              Not so bad!? ... belay
        2. vladimirvn
          vladimirvn 12 October 2017 15: 04
          0
          Statistics from your finger. Comrade brought you tsifiri. And do not confuse the structure of Russia's GDP and exports to the countries of FAR FOREIGN!
          1. Sharansky
            Sharansky 12 October 2017 15: 17
            +1
            I gave real figures from the Ministry of Finance of the Russian Federation. And this is not idiotic statistics from the TV, but data. And if you had at least mastered reading to the end what I wrote, you would have seen that we are talking about budget revenues and what they are made of. And they would suddenly understand that 86% of revenues to the budget of the Russian Federation are the sale of the country's natural wealth abroad. Without the budget of the Russian Federation, there will be no armatures, no Su-57, no hospitals, no education, no roads, not even the Zenith Arena and the Vostochny spaceport. That is, the economy is purely raw.
            So it goes.
            1. Setrac
              Setrac 12 October 2017 20: 12
              +2
              Quote: Sharansky
              So it goes.

              You don’t realize the simple thing - in Russia there is a catastrophic shortage of labor, therefore we cannot sell goods with a high share of added value, because we ourselves do not have enough of this “added value”.
              Quote: Sharansky
              this is a sale of the country's natural wealth abroad

              We must sell - while they are buying, the Stone Age did not end because the stones were over
              1. Sharansky
                Sharansky 12 October 2017 21: 08
                +1
                Quote: Setrac
                catastrophic shortage of labor in Russia

                labor shortages and miserable salaries are mutually exclusive concepts. I think it will be more true to say about low labor productivity and low automation of enterprises.
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        3. Mih1974
          Mih1974 12 October 2017 18: 54
          +2
          Wi is so smart huh? Nuka nuka, tell us how about the “super advanced” USA, which is so and so awry, but trying to “rid Russia” of the possibility of being a commodity country selling oil and gas to Europe! tongue Already, the embargo on the supply of equipment and technologies for offshore and shale mining "cares" for us, and as soon as they do not try to forbid us to lay pipelines to Europe! And of course, of course - "that would save Russia from raw material dependence."
          Can you please tell me the secret of "high prosperity" in such a civilized country like Norway?
          And for those who are not "very smart," I’ll explain that there’s no problem in the World Now to Produce, there is only a problem to Sell !! And there is no difference - wheat, iPhone, sausage or trinitrocellulose. The same "standard of civilization" yvon is almost 100% made in China, at the last exhibition of high technologies in Dubai - the most representative exposition is also China. Well, in their ethic techno clusters, megalopolises have almost 2 mrd of snarls plowing tirelessly, and we are only 140 million. As they write to you right above, we won’t be able to physically produce as much to crush China.
          Of course, you can recall Germany, but everything is very tricky there - with only 50 million people, export is a bit less than Chinese, but this is achieved by “distributed technology”, because in fact Germany became the “last workshop” of the assembly, taking all the preparatory work to other cheap countries . If we try to act like Germany, then I'm sorry - who will then produce and grow on our land? Then here you really have to relocate the whole of Central Asia, and even start the Chinese.
          1. Sharansky
            Sharansky 12 October 2017 19: 17
            0
            Yes, I'm smart. But US problems do not interest me, unlike you.
            Quote: Mih1974
            As they write to you right above, we physically cannot produce so much to crush China

            in general, normal people produce in order to raise their own standard of living, and not in order to “crush anyone”.
            Quote: Mih1974
            If we try to act like Germany, then I'm sorry - who will then produce and grow on our land?

            But, does the highly developed industry interfere with the extraction of resources? laughing This is just a new word in economics. And why do you care so much the rest of the world more than your own country? Moreover, she has already become practically an outcast for this very world.
            1. Mih1974
              Mih1974 12 October 2017 19: 29
              +2
              I still do not understand you checkers or go? Are we talking about Export to the rest of the World or about the domestic market of Russia?
              They explain to you in black in Russian that the "country of the iPhone field" is trying to take the place of "backward Russia" in the supply of raw materials to Europe! And you tell us about the "raw material economy of Russia."
              I’m telling you about the high export technologies of Russia, you give me a "standard of living". I’m talking about the Norwegians who have a high level, but to the detriment of you from OIL (state monopoly), and you again about the commodity economy. How to convey such a simple idea to you that to export “not raw materials”, you should not make these raw materials more attractive than your competitors, but often compete with China FIG. They put a bolt on the environment, due to this, ALREADY created conglomerations of different technical chains and in general they are warmer, and this is very, very not small in value.
              Here we are doing better than the Chinese enrichment of uranium (and not only it) missiles, we have even better (so far) weapons, but a lot of things. But "sewing underpants" is cheaper for them, electronics, too. But you know that it’s only from the “solder board” side that’s great and wonderful, but you go from the “back side”, there are a lot of toxic waste and emissions negative I am silent about the smelting of steel and other metals, there a lot of money is spent on protection, and the Chinese spit on it and they are cheaper.
              If you want export like in China - go and live in the city satellite of the aluminum plant, at once fall in love with "backward raw materials Russia" but with clean air.
              Well, or instead of wanting - do it yourself good and boast about the results. tongue
              1. Sharansky
                Sharansky 12 October 2017 19: 37
                +1
                Quote: Mih1974
                They explain to you in black in Russian that the "country of the iPhone field" is trying to take the place of "backward Russia" in the supply of raw materials to Europe! And you tell us about the "raw material economy of Russia."

                namely, the consequences of this are clearly visible in the form of a depreciation of the ruble and a cut in the budget of the Russian Federation, coupled with the impoverishment of the population. However, exactly the same problem is for all countries with commodity mono-economies. I’m afraid to imagine what will happen to the Russian economy when they are deployed to the fullest.
                Quote: Mih1974
                to you about the Norwegians who have just a high level, but in spite of you from OIL

                Norwegians from oil share of oil revenues is only 30%, and not 86%, as in the Russian Federation. That is why they did not experience any crisis after the fall in oil prices. And Finland in general has introduced an unconditional basic income for citizens in the amount of 550 euros per month per person.

                Quote: Mih1974
                And here’s “trunks to sew” - they’re cheaper

                Sewing trunks is cheaper now in Russia. For with the fall in oil prices, the average salary of a Russian has become less than that of a Chinese.
                Quote: Mih1974
                How to convey to you such a simple idea that to export "not raw materials"

                how to convey to you such a simple idea that production first of all necessary to cover their own needs.
  3. Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 11 October 2017 08: 48
    +3
    I did not see a single specific contract in the article - a certain total amount, it is not clear what it consists of. Rogozin, loves to throw news on Twitter. About American contracts with the same Saudis, or Qatar more information. Therefore, the conclusions are vague ... but you won’t earn billions on the licensed production of automatic machines. “Triumph”, by the way, did not prevent the Yankees from bombing in Shairat, so the conclusion about the Crimea is not clear.
    1. max702
      max702 11 October 2017 09: 08
      +1
      Quote: Stirbjorn
      therefore, the conclusion about Crimea is not clear.

      Crimea, like the whole of Russia, is protected not by air defense, but by the Strategic Missile Forces .. Kim, by the way, also took this path ..
      1. vasilkovichi
        vasilkovichi 11 October 2017 10: 44
        0
        Crimea, like the whole of Russia, is defended by air defense, air forces and air forces. Strategic Rocket Forces is 1) Warranty. 2) Retribution. 3) Guaranteed revenge and destruction of those who wish to send the planet to hell.
      2. Sharansky
        Sharansky 12 October 2017 11: 33
        0
        Quote: max702
        Kim, by the way, also went this way ..

        Do not explain then why it contains a millionth army (and this is more than the Russian one) and another 4 million in reserve, this with a population of 25 million people?
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 12 October 2017 20: 13
          0
          Quote: Sharansky
          Do not explain then why it contains a millionth army (and this is more than the Russian one) and another 4 million in reserve, this with a population of 25 million people?

          He wants to live?
          1. Sharansky
            Sharansky 12 October 2017 21: 54
            0
            And not just live, but live a long time. I'm talking about something else. Given the presence of nuclear missiles, for some reason not a single nuclear state has disbanded or reduced its army. Apparently the Strategic Missile Forces are still not a panacea for everything.
            1. Setrac
              Setrac 12 October 2017 21: 56
              +1
              Quote: Sharansky
              Apparently the Strategic Missile Forces are still not a panacea for everything.

              The meaning of your message is not clear, what did you want to convey in your own words?
            2. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 12 October 2017 22: 03
              +3
              Quote: Sharansky
              Given the presence of nuclear missiles, for some reason not a single nuclear state has disbanded or reduced its army.

              Cut it. IN USSR.
  4. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 11 October 2017 09: 12
    0
    Alexander, when the same kind picture will be in our country, I will be glad. In the meantime, in the country a mess and the work of the government and the guarantor put one! And to be honest, I’m not very pleased with the alleged success of my country in the foreign market, if in the domestic mess!
    1. marder7
      marder7 12 October 2017 14: 39
      +1
      and where there is no mess? Where???? Well, where we do not. "Abroad is getting better!". yeah! shchaz!
  5. vlad007
    vlad007 11 October 2017 09: 21
    +1
    The article is superficial, no specifics. We had to write statistics on types of weapons in the article - how much aviation is in sales, how many tanks, etc. According to drones, they say that we are behind many countries even in production, not to mention sales. I want to know the objective picture.
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 11 October 2017 09: 48
      0
      That's it, and for exporting countries, statistics are desirable - otherwise I suspect that there are many dubious buyers there, such as Venezuela. Otherwise, the article is suitable not for HE, but for some publication that is far from military specifics, well, with a readership corresponding
    2. Ehanatone
      Ehanatone 14 October 2017 16: 49
      -1
      Vlad007
      The article is positive, fun, and behind the graphs and tables on the site min. Finance.! ... smile
  6. Livonetc
    Livonetc 11 October 2017 13: 45
    0
    Quote: Alexey-74
    Absolutely right! And imagine what will happen to the defense industry when the Su-57, MBT Armata, Kurganets, S-500 Prometheus go to the series .......... there will be a turn !!!

    That's when they go into the series and then imagine.
  7. Viktor is the winner
    Viktor is the winner 11 October 2017 14: 27
    +1
    [quote] [/ quote] Why am I not very interested in the news about the next Russian contracts with any country about the supply of missile defense and air defense systems? No, I'm only for it!
    There is a mess in the country, taxes are getting higher and higher, salaries are low, outback is at the level of third countries. The villages are all under the knife, there is no medicine, but damn, everyone in Moscow is full of problems. Everything is divided between groups of oligarchs, nothing to the people, although they could pay a natural rent. Money, children all over the hill. I don’t understand what to brag about from the point of view of an ordinary layman, the only thing is that there is no war and complete anarchy.
  8. Setrac
    Setrac 12 October 2017 20: 09
    0
    Quote: Sharansky
    But do not count, a stone flower does not come out. Four fifths of the income is exclusively raw materials, not technological products.

    You rave, in the structure of Russia's GDP, the entire raw materials sector, together with exports, occupies TEN percent, which is four fifths?
  9. Setrac
    Setrac 12 October 2017 22: 12
    +1
    Quote: Sharansky
    Well of course I don’t care. The president of the country is apparently dumber than you, he thinks that the country has an export-raw material model of the economy, but in fact it’s like that! You would enlighten the stupid one.

    Here you are brazenly lying, there is nothing of the kind in the president’s words.
    Quote: Sharansky
    for some reason, it doesn’t reach you that the model of the economy and GDP is trivial about different things. Learn the materiel before stating anything.

    Yes, but do not simulate - ten percent will remain ten percent, you are just trying to talk a topic with your rabble-headedness, just admit that you are wrong.
  10. Mentat
    Mentat 13 October 2017 18: 38
    +1
    Quote: Sharansky
    for some reason, it doesn’t reach you that the model of the economy and GDP is trivial about different things. Learn the materiel before stating anything.
    https://www.fundamental-research.ru/ru/article/vi
    ew? id = 34904
    for example, for starters

    If you still understood what you were referring to.
    Firstly, this article is not about a “model of the economy”, but a model of economic growth. In other words, the author of the article claims that the Russian economy is growing due to the export of raw materials.
    Secondly, the article is a typical "abstract nonsense" of a student at a state-owned university.
    The author claims, for example, that in 2013 the share of fuel and energy products amounted to 70,6% of all Russian exports.
    However, in 2015, according to official data (http://www.customs.ru/index2.php?option=com_cont
    ent & view = article & id = 22577 & Itemid = 1978
    ) this group of goods occupied in the export of the Russian Federation only 41%, i.e. for 2 years, the Russian economy has made, judging by the above article, a colossal breakthrough in the structure of exports away from commodities. What is the meaning of the article and what is the meaning of your “writings” on the forum?
  11. shoemaker
    shoemaker 13 October 2017 20: 44
    0
    maybe not quite on the topic of the article. However, to say that selling arms to anyone (including their potential opponents) gives the Russian Federation a lot of money - this is self-deception. Why then does the CBR borrow money from Western banks? fresh link http://expert.ru/2017/10/12/bank-rossii-zanyal-za
    -rubezhom-rekordnuyu-summu /? utm_referrer = https% 3A
    % 2F% 2Fzen.yandex.com
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 13 October 2017 20: 48
      +8
      Quote: shoemaker
      Why then does the CBR borrow money from Western banks?

      To you at school. In the zero class.
      children’s"yeah yes
  12. HEATHER
    HEATHER 14 October 2017 05: 14
    +2
    Plus 110-lard ROSATOMA. The same chip is not bad. 32 blocks per ball.
  13. tank64rus
    tank64rus 14 October 2017 11: 07
    0
    Our S-300,400 air defense systems have already become the political component of a multipolar world.
  14. demo
    demo 14 October 2017 12: 46
    +1
    Well, if by the principle - a chicken by the grain, the whole yard is in der .. e, then yes.
    Then Staver is right.
    But if you start from the other side, it’s not very sweet.
    All these complexes, aircraft, submarines and other deadly goods have a very narrow circle of consumers.
    And the plane is not cowards, sorry, every year (month, day) does not need to be changed.
    About the air defense systems in general I am silent.
    There is generally peace and silence for decades.
    Nuclear submarines and similar high-tech products are for the elite.

    The next factor.
    Snap to a block.
    The United States and its led NATO have unified arms standards.
    We will not sell them ours. In the quantity as we would like.
    Greece is an exception.
    Turkey and CA are not a fact.
    Countries that are in the sphere of interests of the United States, on the territory of which their bases are located - by definition, will be armed not with our weapons.
    There is nothing personally - only business.

    You can count those countries that can become our potential buyers.
    Fingers on two hands are enough.
    Compare the CA contract with the United States and our proposed contract is not necessary?

    And now about the needle.
    Oil produced 530 million tons.
    Sold 50% abroad.
    The average price for a year is $ 40 per barrel of $ 240-245 per ton.
    The amount of revenue is $ 64.
    Specially did not use verbal designation.
    You just look at zeros.
    And also gas, gold, coal, diamonds, silver, nickel, aluminum, steel (rolled), etc., etc.
    Amounts pop up for half a trillion dollars.
    So what?
    What is the portfolio of our defense industry?
    How long does it grow to at least catch up with the above indicators?
    Long. A very long time. And not expensive.

    The use of military technology in civilian life is possible.
    And the whole thing is not how to apply it.
    The thing is secrecy.
    Sometimes technology is kept secret for decades.
    And she needed the region yesterday.
    So what?
    Who did win.
    How many talented young scientists struggled with the realization of their ideas in a peaceful life?
    Which would bring a huge profit to the country and people.
    But an uncle in civilian clothes appears and says - okay! we will give money, we will give the collective. we will give equipment, we will give everything, but sign a piece of paper! And there are obligations on non-disclosure and a ban on leaving the country for 10 years.
    About how!
    Well, what the hell is this defense for a man, if he knows how to apply it in a peaceful life.
    And feed his family and raise children. and do not sit under the heading "Owls Secret"!

    Any defense spending is a black hole.
    Yes. You cannot do without them.
    But to say that defense will feed us and replace the “raw material needle” is not serious.
    From the word - ABSOLUTELY!

    But what besides criticism needs to be offered, there is no doubt something to work on.
    But not with these governments and not with these "elites," they are all lost.
  15. Usher
    Usher 14 October 2017 14: 01
    0
    ATGM in vain sell to the Saudis, will pop up at ISIS, etc. Is it really so hard to understand?
  16. Amper
    Amper 15 October 2017 21: 03
    0
    I’m probably off topic, not a single bullet made a single child happy. It is terrible to hear about the many-billion-dollar thefts, the multi-million-dollar monthly salaries of Kremlin administration officials (such as Medvedev, Miler and the like) and fees for treating a child worth 1-2 million rubles ....