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In Syria, the crew of the Su-24 aircraft of the Russian Federation

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A tragic incident is reported at the Russian base of Khmeimim in Syria. During takeoff, a Su-24 front-line bomber crashed. According to some reports, the plane was unable to gain altitude after leaving the runway of the airfield. It is known that the members of the aircraft crew (pilot and navigator) were killed. The information is confirmed by the Russian Ministry of Defense. At the moment, the names of the dead Russian servicemen have not been announced.
In Syria, the crew of the Su-24 aircraft of the Russian Federation

According to the latest data, the tragedy occurred this morning - at the moment of take-off to perform a combat mission. According to some reports, the plane was carrying on board a set of ammunition for striking the positions of terrorists. There is no data on the destruction at the Khmeimim airbase. Officially, the presence of a combat kit on board a front-line bomber of the Defense Ministry of the Russian Federation is not yet confirmed.
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  1. 210ox
    210ox 10 October 2017 10: 57
    34
    Earth rest in peace for you .. Guys .. Sorry. No need to put ratings ...
    1. Crowe
      Crowe 10 October 2017 11: 08
      13
      We grieve ...
    2. Now we are free
      Now we are free 10 October 2017 11: 09
      19
      Land in flux, condolences to relatives, friends and colleagues. SU-24 unfortunately is one of the most catastrophic (in technical terms) aircraft of the Soviet / Russian aviation, only the American Starfighter and the German Me-109 can be compared with it in the number of accidents. I very much hope that the 24s will be replaced as soon as possible by the 34s of “Ducklings” that have shown themselves from the operational and military point of view from the best side.
      God bless our pilots and God forbid our aircraft manufacturers SU-34 to equip our aircraft with new aircraft as soon as possible.
      1. Solomon Kane
        Solomon Kane 10 October 2017 11: 15
        10
        An unhealthy pattern - the death of General Valery Asapov, now a disaster with Drying, smacks of sabotage, is it time for the relevant authorities to shed light on the situation in Syria. Impunity gives rise to permissiveness, negligence gives rise to tragedy, and this is not permissible, much less abroad, in BV
        1. anjey
          anjey 10 October 2017 11: 18
          17
          why immediately sabotage, technology does not withstand such a combat load, glory to the heroes of the pilots and the eternal memory of the dead ...
          1. Solomon Kane
            Solomon Kane 10 October 2017 11: 23
            10
            Someone's negligence is also sabotage (wrecking). And wrecking in favor of the enemy - treason or sabotage, whatever you call it - betrayal, it is betrayal.
            Pilots sit at the helm with full confidence in the reliability of the machine. And they don’t even realize that some hollow bolt did not tighten to the end, and the other did not check ...
            1. Orel
              Orel 10 October 2017 11: 37
              13
              Quote: Solomon Kane
              Someone's negligence is also sabotage (wrecking). And wrecking in favor of the enemy - treason or sabotage, whatever you call it - betrayal, it is betrayal.


              Do not escalate. People and equipment are working for wear. With such an intense flight, incidents are unfortunately unavoidable. It is a pity that this all happened. Dangerous work, but necessary. Condolences to relatives, friends and colleagues.
              1. Ustin
                Ustin 10 October 2017 12: 45
                +4
                Quote: Orel
                Quote: Solomon Kane
                Someone's negligence is also sabotage (wrecking). And wrecking in favor of the enemy - treason or sabotage, whatever you call it - betrayal, it is betrayal.


                Do not escalate. People and equipment are working for wear. With such an intense flight, incidents are unfortunately unavoidable. It is a pity that this all happened. Dangerous work, but necessary. Condolences to relatives, friends and colleagues.

                You're right. The equipment is being used in wartime, and these are completely different conditions. The time between failures for the SU-24 is likely to be larger than that of the Su-34, which, by and large, is only "running in" under real conditions, I think that in only three years it will be at the level. I join in condolences ...
                1. iouris
                  iouris 10 October 2017 13: 01
                  0
                  Quote: Ustin
                  MTBF of the SU-24 is likely to be more than that of the Su-34

                  Those who deal with the organization of the collection and analysis of malfunctions in the Air Force understand that the full picture most likely does not exist. There are failures and there are failures (depending on the consequences).
                  1. vik669
                    vik669 11 October 2017 02: 27
                    +1
                    Familiar with the SU-24 since 1980 (as an operating engineer) - the machine was born hard and was successful but with a character that proved once again!
                2. Solomon Kane
                  Solomon Kane 10 October 2017 14: 05
                  +8
                  We are building military equipment for the parade, but not for battle.
                  I would not talk about this without working at one of the enterprises of the military-industrial complex, when normals that do not correspond to CDs were driven into the body of the straightening apparatus of the gas turbine engine, from other material, it was not possible to wait for the original - the GOZ schedules propped up. This object will work out 200-300 hours and that’s all, the fatigue of the bolt material destroys the entire unit ... as a result - a technical failure. This is under normal operating conditions, not to mention the combat conditions ......
                  Until optimization in the military-industrial complex ends, fraud, jambs on technology will not end. Since now this is happening with the Lame Hunter Mi-28N due to the crude VR-28 gearbox. They mastered the money, "Up" reported, the prize received, and the "turntables" fall .......
                  1. figwam
                    figwam 10 October 2017 14: 25
                    0
                    They say that it took off with maximum sweep, and this is a crew error.
                    1. vik669
                      vik669 11 October 2017 02: 29
                      +1
                      And on kuya with maximum sweep - there were two captains in the cockpit and not two ...! In the 70s and 80s, I was dealing with the MIG-27 that I don’t remember kamikaze clowns taking off and landing with maximum sweep. It was also a sign of the SU-24 - it was a serious car, but with character and everyone always knew it and they know it!
            2. bober1982
              bober1982 10 October 2017 11: 53
              +5
              Quote: Solomon Kane
              Pilots sit at the helm with full confidence in the reliability of the machine.

              Here I do not agree with you, one of the conditions for the survival of the pilot (crew) is the belief that everyone will kill you, in the literal sense. The plane’s technician, navigator, helper, leader, flight director, combat control officer will kill you equipment, etc. It is necessary to be in full readiness and the head should work like a calculating machine.
              1. Baloo
                Baloo 10 October 2017 12: 23
                +6
                Quote: bober1982
                One must be fully prepared and the head should work like a calculating machine.

                But they could even eject at such a low altitude. What hindered? They would get off with a fracture of the spine, but would be alive. Although I am a layman, not an aviator. Condolences to loved ones.
                1. bober1982
                  bober1982 10 October 2017 13: 57
                  0
                  Quote: Balu
                  But they could even eject at such a low altitude.

                  It takes time to jump, but he was gone.
                  1. Baloo
                    Baloo 10 October 2017 15: 07
                    +3
                    Quote: bober1982
                    Quote: Balu
                    But they could even eject at such a low altitude.

                    It takes time to jump, but he was gone.

                    On TV for a long time they showed tests. Even when ejecting from the ground, there is enough height to open the parachute. The pilot, who catapulted in Ukraine when the spectators died, right in front of the ground, and he survived, received a term despite a fracture of the spine.
                    1. bober1982
                      bober1982 10 October 2017 18: 56
                      0
                      Quote: Balu
                      Tests have been shown on TV for a long time

                      So, after all, it didn’t happen during tests, the difference is big.
                      Quote: Balu
                      Even when ejecting from the ground, there is enough height to open the parachute.

                      Not enough, speed is needed, or by pure chance it will turn out to eject safely, as it was in Chernyakhovsk at the time.
                      Quote: Balu
                      The pilot who catapulted in Ukraine when the spectators died,

                      Different emergencies, different planes, flight modes, etc. You can compare.
              2. Solomon Kane
                Solomon Kane 10 October 2017 13: 50
                +4
                Well, you yourself answered the question ....
                The combat pilot must think about completing the combat mission and returning to the airfield - this is primary ... everything else is the reason for the failure in the system ... The aircraft’s manufacturing system, acceptance and delivery of the object, combat control system, logistics system, etc. ..
            3. Hagalaz
              Hagalaz 10 October 2017 12: 16
              +1
              Quote: Solomon Kane
              Someone's negligence is also sabotage (wrecking). And wrecking in favor of the enemy - treason or sabotage, whatever you call it - betrayal, it is betrayal.
              Pilots sit at the helm with full confidence in the reliability of the machine. And they don’t even realize that some hollow bolt did not tighten to the end, and the other did not check ...

              So the pilots we have are glorious Falcons and planes are not killed, and in techies they scored completely gouging in half with pests. Do not judge by yourself? This is five minutes after they learned about the event.
              And I think that technicians are recruited there as well as flyers, not the last. A 24ka, although reliable, but the plane is no longer young. The aircraft consists of hundreds of nodes and thousands of parts with its own resource and probability of failure.
              1. Solomon Kane
                Solomon Kane 10 October 2017 12: 41
                +5
                Did I write something about techies? They could do it at the manufacturer, at the PKI supplier, but anywhere .... Does this beg the tragedy of the situation ...? In Soviet times, the failure of military equipment, especially in combat use, was an emergency on a national scale: they dismantled everything to the bolt, and Gen was removed. directors and gene. constructors ...
                1. Hagalaz
                  Hagalaz 10 October 2017 12: 54
                  +2
                  Tragedy does not diminish, not for that speech. But conclusions that are absolutely certain cannot be drawn right now.
                  1. Solomon Kane
                    Solomon Kane 10 October 2017 12: 59
                    +6
                    And we do not draw conclusions - we exchange opinions ...
                    to draw conclusions and take measures (operational) should be those who are authorized, so that such tragedies are not repeated ....
                    1. Hagalaz
                      Hagalaz 10 October 2017 13: 17
                      +2
                      And I agree with that. But the opinion should be based on some conclusions / facts. If there are none, then an opinion not only has no value, but also does harm.
                      1. Solomon Kane
                        Solomon Kane 10 October 2017 13: 32
                        +4
                        The plane crashed - is that not a fact? Fall, as a result. And so what?
                        They understand the reasons for launches .....
                    2. Hagalaz
                      Hagalaz 10 October 2017 13: 55
                      +2
                      The conversation is not about the fact of the fall, but about the reasons for its fall and there are no facts in favor of this or that opinion. But you immediately somehow accentuated negligence / gouging / wrecking.
                      1. Solomon Kane
                        Solomon Kane 10 October 2017 14: 07
                        +4
                        I think that time will judge us ... Good luck! hi
          2. Young_Communist
            Young_Communist 10 October 2017 11: 31
            +5
            Quote: anjey
            why immediately sabotage

            Because SU is a reliable and time-tested soldier aircraft. He could not fall due to technical reasons - this is also not a sawn and emergency F-35.
            1. bk316
              bk316 10 October 2017 11: 43
              +5
              He could not fall due to technical reasons - this is also not a sawn and emergency F-35.

              Is it sarcasm or trolling?
              http://www.airbase.ru/crashes/su24/
              1. armata37
                armata37 10 October 2017 12: 01
                +8
                Not sarcasm and not trolling. This is just another one in * sir, sorry. Just to blurt out something. Yes, Young_Communist?
                1. Young_Communist
                  Young_Communist 10 October 2017 12: 22
                  0
                  Doubt the greatness of RUSSIAN WEAPONS? And I remember exactly how the SU-24 forced, by the radiation of electronic warfare, the cowardly sailor sailors to leave the fleet. You and your colleague over you are not * hourly?

                  P.S. Maybe the news is still a duck, we are waiting.
                  1. Voyager
                    Voyager 10 October 2017 12: 44
                    +4
                    The duck was the news of the mass layoffs of mattresses.
              2. Hagalaz
                Hagalaz 10 October 2017 12: 21
                +2
                I am inclined to the fact that sarcastic trolling, in order to blurt out something.
            2. K-612-O
              K-612-O 10 October 2017 12: 49
              +2
              Since the Soviet era, the Su-24 has been one of the most disastrous aircraft, and the main reason was just technical malfunctions, especially with a variable geometry system.
              1. not main
                not main 10 October 2017 21: 41
                +1
                Quote: K-612-O
                Since the Soviet era, the Su-24 has been one of the most disastrous aircraft, and the main reason was just technical malfunctions, especially with a variable geometry system.

                Here is how? Did not know! Can you give statistics? I heard about the Su-7, but they said about the Su-24 that it was Pal Stepanich Kutakhov’s favorite plane!
                1. vik669
                  vik669 11 October 2017 08: 42
                  0
                  Googled how many SU-24 and pilots during the test ... !!!
                  http://www.opoccuu.com/su-24.htm#%D0%9A%D0%B0%D1%
                  82%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%84%D1%8B_%D0%
                  A1% D1% 83-24
          3. citizen242
            citizen242 10 October 2017 15: 49
            0
            But there’s no technology, just for wear. A man will survive, but no technology.
          4. Dedall
            Dedall 10 October 2017 17: 17
            +1
            everything is right! Even at our bases they cannot provide scheduled maintenance periods and scheduled works, and even in Syria, probably, even more so. Therefore, I sympathize with the relatives and friends of the victims, but I am afraid that this will happen again.
        2. ism_ek
          ism_ek 10 October 2017 11: 32
          +1
          Quote: Solomon Kane
          Unhealthy pattern -

          Battles moved to the east of Syria. Aircraft take off seasoned "to the eyeballs." Communications are stretched. It is impossible to control from Damascus. Well, the oil race on the east bank of the Euphrates.
        3. DimerVladimer
          DimerVladimer 10 October 2017 14: 14
          +1
          Quote: Solomon Kane
          now a disaster with Drying, smacks of sabotage


          Aircraft junk. In Shagol, a couple of planes were lost (thank God without crews) for those reasons - in one case the refueling rod is faulty - the plane ran out of fuel and crashed, in the second case, the radio-transparent fairing blew up - in both cases the crews ejected.
          The trend is obvious - the materiel is worn out, requires replacement.

          Our glide path passes through a densely populated area of ​​a million-plus city (any engine failure on landing will cause casualties among the population).
      2. bober1982
        bober1982 10 October 2017 11: 27
        +3
        Quote: Now we are free
        SU-24 unfortunately is one of the most catastrophic (technically) aircraft

        It's all fables and gossip, the plane is very reliable and comparing the Su-24 with the F-104, and even more so with the Me-109 is ridiculous.
        1. RomanRVV
          RomanRVV 10 October 2017 11: 34
          0
          Yes, how to say. I have a fellow former pilot of this aircraft. In the Far East in the 90s sat on the "belly" due to a chassis failure. True, without consequences.
          1. bober1982
            bober1982 10 October 2017 11: 36
            +1
            Quote: RomanRVV
            sat on the "belly" due to chassis failure. True, without consequences.

            For such heroism - they could have handed the star of the Hero.
        2. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 10 October 2017 12: 11
          +3
          Quote: bober1982
          This is all fiction and gossip, the plane is very reliable

          Since 2011 alone, in accidents and disasters, 11 Su-24s of all modifications have been lost (excluding downed ones). sad
          1. bober1982
            bober1982 10 October 2017 12: 15
            +1
            And how much was lost in accidents and catastrophes of PAZ-3205 buses since 2011. -?, probably more.
            1. Muvka
              Muvka 10 October 2017 13: 00
              +1
              And how many grooves are operated?
            2. Voyager
              Voyager 10 October 2017 13: 45
              +1
              You can draw any analogies as much as you like, but "According to the testimony of Deputy Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Air Force Viktor Kota, for 1998 the Su-24 was the most emergency aircraft in Russian military aviation" and continues to remain if you look at the statistics.
              1. Nikolai Grek
                Nikolai Grek 10 October 2017 17: 59
                +5
                Quote: Voyager
                Su-24

                According to statistics, 1400 of these aircraft were produced !!! so the losses are miserable !!!
                1. Voyager
                  Voyager 11 October 2017 13: 06
                  0
                  Well, yes, only during the tests 5 pilot pilots died. The most emergency aircraft in the country. Of course scanty!
          2. Baloo
            Baloo 10 October 2017 12: 24
            +1
            Quote: Alexey RA
            Quote: bober1982
            This is all fiction and gossip, the plane is very reliable

            Since 2011 alone, in accidents and disasters, 11 Su-24s of all modifications have been lost (excluding downed ones). sad

            Depreciation of equipment, fuel?
            1. bober1982
              bober1982 10 October 2017 12: 36
              +1
              Quote: Balu
              Depreciation of equipment, fuel?

              But is it time to say now, no one knows anything, in Soviet times, such information passed under the stamp of secrecy (and did it right)
              The crew is eternal memory.
            2. LSA57
              LSA57 10 October 2017 13: 40
              +4
              Quote: Balu
              Wear and tear

              rather the first.
              Quote: Balu
              fuel?

              others fly on this fuel
        3. okko077
          okko077 10 October 2017 12: 41
          +4
          bober1982? SU-24M is a very old, very expensive aircraft to operate, reliable, but the level of reliability is the last of the most reliable .. BUT there are no others ... In Syria, it flies instead of its one-year-old SU-17M4 and MIG-27, which were rotted by officials and military including .... and does not do his job, he is a front-line bomber and for him there are almost no goals in Syria, to put it mildly ...
          SU-24M with two outboard tanks and a bomb load barely takes off .. Any deviation in the operation of one of the two engines on takeoff can lead to irreparable ... Aircraft are used intensively and the number of sorties is growing, and, alas, the probability of losing an airplane by technical malfunction ... This is an educational program for dummies, and the reason for the loss of the aircraft will be voiced .. It can be seen that the pilots hoped until the last second to level the situation and take off ....
          1. bober1982
            bober1982 10 October 2017 13: 04
            +1
            Quote: okko077
            reliable, but in terms of reliability the very last of the reliable ones.

            Somewhat confusedly said. Since the Su-24 flies and performs combat missions at an extremely low altitude (from 50 m and below) - not a single airplane flies, there are many group flights, including those on the same PMV, and many other combat missions that are characteristic precisely Su-24. Therefore, the requirements for the level of training and for flights on this aircraft are increased. But the aircraft itself is very reliable.
            Quote: okko077
            he flies instead of his coevals SU-17M4 and MIG-27, which officials rotted

            Su-17M4 - a great car, was, for its time, the dream of any IBA-shnik. That's all I can say.
            Quote: okko077
            SU-24M with two hanging tanks and a bomb load barely takes off

            Any aircraft with outboard tanks and bomb load is hard to take off. How many bombs? What air temperature? How long is the strip?
            Quote: okko077
            Any deviation in the operation of one of the two engines on take-off can lead to irreparable

            But this also applies to any aircraft.
            1. okko077
              okko077 10 October 2017 15: 04
              0
              Read carefully ... and you don’t need to rule me, nobody argues with you .... Maybe you still have to write a refusal?
              1. bober1982
                bober1982 10 October 2017 18: 47
                0
                Quote: okko077
                Maybe a raid on the refusal you still write?

                To failure of what? shortwave r / station?
                1. okko077
                  okko077 10 October 2017 21: 22
                  0
                  It's hard to talk with an amateur ...
      3. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 10 October 2017 11: 32
        +6
        Sincerely condolences ...
        "My heaven suddenly turned into hell,
        A treacherous blow from around the corner ...
        I am a plane with the Soul of man
        With special wing geometry.

        When they beat in the back, they know - they will not miss,
        What are the vulnerabilities ...
        And the pain that started somewhere in the fuselage,
        It pierces from the cab to the tail.

        What the hell is going on in this world ?!
        Do not see me through the fire and smoke.
        I'm not Charlie, I'm Su-Xnumx
        And where are the tablets with my name?

        Piquet will tighten ... Dizziness
        Shuffles everything into a kaleidoscope.
        I have not been given a chance to escape
        I meet the inevitable directly in the forehead.

        Earth will embrace to take forever
        My recorder let him cover the darkness.
        I am a plane with the Soul of man
        With special wing geometry. "
      4. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 10 October 2017 11: 37
        +4
        Already 120 units of the Su-34 entered the troops. By 2020, the Russian Aerospace Forces plan to get 150-200 Su-34 aircraft and completely replace them with Su-24.
        1. okko077
          okko077 11 October 2017 00: 23
          0
          And hundreds of SU-17M4 and hundreds of MIG-27 you replace with what? Su-34 is another aircraft with a class higher than the SU-24M. They only need 24 pieces to replace the Su-300M. In Syria, both aircraft are used for other purposes, they are not their task, but there are no others .. Here's another negative achievement, we can stay without pants - these are very expensive aircraft to use and maintain ... Very sad for the Air Force, there are no necessary aircraft and the SU-25 is small and they have their own specifics ... So, we make fun of the amers with their F35, and there are also not enough pilots in the same ass ...
      5. LSA57
        LSA57 10 October 2017 11: 46
        +6
        Bright Memory for the guys.
        Quote: Now we are free
        I very much hope that the 24s will be replaced as soon as possible by the 34s of the "Ducklings" that have shown themselves from the operational and military point of view from the best side.

        four years ago I came to the site. At about the same time, the first SU-34s arrived at the Lipetsk Aviation Center and there were "experts" who poured a lot of dirt onto this machine.
        but there were others, most of whom even then said that the plane was being brought in and when it was brought in, it would be a very good plane
      6. xetai9977
        xetai9977 10 October 2017 13: 18
        0
        "sawing and emergency F-35."
        they really can’t live without a stone in the F-35 garden. And by the way .....
    3. vovanpain
      vovanpain 10 October 2017 11: 10
      12
      Land in peace to you guys and the Kingdom of Heaven Russian Warriors! crying
      1. Partyzan
        Partyzan 10 October 2017 11: 31
        +8
        Russian Warriors! Mourn
        sorry for their relatives hi
    4. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 10 October 2017 11: 32
      +5
      My condolences to the dead pilots!
  2. Altona
    Altona 10 October 2017 10: 57
    +9
    The blessed memory of the lost crew.
  3. Mikado
    Mikado 10 October 2017 10: 59
    +5
    bright memory. condolences to relatives.
  4. ioann1
    ioann1 10 October 2017 10: 59
    +2
    KINGDOM OF HEAVEN, ETERNAL PEACE!
  5. aszzz888
    aszzz888 10 October 2017 10: 59
    +4
    God rest! dead! ... war - damn you !!! ...
    ... no need to put points ...
  6. GeorgeSev85
    GeorgeSev85 10 October 2017 11: 00
    +4
    land rest in peace Men ((
  7. verner1967
    verner1967 10 October 2017 11: 02
    0
    Pancake! Where are the vaunted ejection seats! Evil is not enough!
    1. Thrall
      Thrall 10 October 2017 11: 04
      +4
      Did not have time to eject, unfortunately.
      Preliminary cause - technical malfunction (MinOborona)
    2. Irokez
      Irokez 10 October 2017 11: 06
      +2
      Quote: verner1967
      Where are the vaunted ejection seats!

      No need to exaggerate so the best catapults in the world.
      1. verner1967
        verner1967 10 October 2017 11: 20
        +1
        Quote: Irokez
        Quote: verner1967
        Where are the vaunted ejection seats!

        No need to exaggerate so the best catapults in the world.

        Have you thought before you write? We are sure that they are installed in this aircraft
        1. LiSiCyn
          LiSiCyn 10 October 2017 11: 48
          +7
          Of course they are .. What provocative questions? If you are not a pilot and had nothing to do with aviation, then sometimes it’s better to chew than to speak .. The plane crashed on takeoff, the height is not known, the reasons are unknown ... The pilots simply did not have enough time .. Can you imagine how bailout going on?
        2. bk316
          bk316 10 October 2017 12: 35
          +4
          We are sure that they are installed in this aircraft

          Of course, they were installed, I threw a reference there to the disaster 24. They usually manage to eject. Well, unfortunately on take-off, this is not always possible. It's a shame, we lose the best ....
          1. LiSiCyn
            LiSiCyn 10 October 2017 12: 42
            +5
            Yes, he is a troll provocateur negative Now I ran through the branches, almost everywhere. She throws it up.
          2. verner1967
            verner1967 10 October 2017 13: 47
            0
            Quote: bk316
            I threw a reference there to the disaster 24.

            Do not tell me where?
  8. brr1
    brr1 10 October 2017 11: 02
    +1
    Rest in peace
  9. north
    north 10 October 2017 11: 03
    +6
    Sorrowful news. Good memory. Condolences to the family and friends.
  10. Fonmeg
    Fonmeg 10 October 2017 11: 03
    +1
    The bitterness of the loss of the true sons of the Fatherland! Condolences to the close and the kingdom of heaven to pilots!
  11. g1v2
    g1v2 10 October 2017 11: 04
    +1
    Earth rest in peace to guys. Everlasting memory.
    So two years the planes flew constantly. At some points - several pieces were constantly in the air. PM worked for wear. What is so risky on such a complex aircraft as the Su 24. request
  12. italianec
    italianec 10 October 2017 11: 04
    0
    bright memory. condolences to relatives.
  13. Vasily Krylov
    Vasily Krylov 10 October 2017 11: 05
    0
    Blessed memory. Let the earth rest in peace for them. Sorrow.
  14. Blue fox
    Blue fox 10 October 2017 11: 06
    +2
    Quote: verner1967
    Pancake! Where are the vaunted ejection seats! Evil is not enough!

    Do not consider the option that the crew saved the car until the very end or tried to take it away from people on earth? I remember at one time at the end of the strip the armor stood. Let's not judge, we have no rights.
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  15. Siberia 9444
    Siberia 9444 10 October 2017 11: 06
    0
    Yes Christmas tree sticks belay sorry for the boys! sad
  16. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 10 October 2017 11: 06
    0
    Oh, what a pity! Earth rest in peace, guys.
    Depreciation of technology is inevitable at such an intensity of flights ...
  17. ZuuT
    ZuuT 10 October 2017 11: 06
    0
    We grieve with family and friends ... Bright memory .... Bright memory ...
    1. Rushnairfors
      Rushnairfors 10 October 2017 11: 11
      15
      So far, unofficially, after the breakaway, a console took shape, the shortage of time was low, they didn’t even have time to jump, but on TV they refused to take off, they rolled out. Eternal memory, I personally know one - 3 kids left in Chernyakhovsk.
      1. Rushnairfors
        Rushnairfors 10 October 2017 11: 13
        +6
        If the truth is about the wing console, then this is the second case, the first time a few years ago, the Su24m in Khurb also crashed.
        1. SCHNIFER
          SCHNIFER 10 October 2017 11: 28
          +1
          If the refusal is on the run, then Tu-22M3 also rolled out in Shaikovka, but the crew is alive there ... The kingdom of heaven is to the commander and navigator ...
          1. Rushnairfors
            Rushnairfors 10 October 2017 11: 47
            +4
            22nd without taking off from the ground rolled out, with the removal of ores and turning off the engines, did not explode miraculously. And here, if the console has developed, especially after taking off the ground, there is a monstrous unfolding moment, the peasants might not even have time to understand what happened. I don’t claim, just the guys from Artek write about the wing
            1. LiSiCyn
              LiSiCyn 10 October 2017 12: 36
              +6
              How to help a family? If, through you .. I'm from Koenig ..
              1. WUA 518
                WUA 518 10 October 2017 12: 49
                +6
                Quote: LiSiCyn
                How to help a family? If, through you .. I'm from Koenig ..

                The correct offer! I subscribe!
                1. LiSiCyn
                  LiSiCyn 10 October 2017 13: 08
                  +3
                  Today at work, I will throw the topic. I think we’ll collect something?
                  1. WUA 518
                    WUA 518 10 October 2017 13: 18
                    +1
                    Quote: LiSiCyn
                    I think we’ll collect something?

                    In a personal unsubscribe soldier
          2. Rushnairfors
            Rushnairfors 10 October 2017 11: 47
            +3
            22nd without taking off from the ground rolled out, with the removal of ores and turning off the engines, did not explode miraculously. And here, if the console has developed, especially after taking off the ground, there is a monstrous unfolding moment, the peasants might not even have time to understand what happened. I don’t claim, just the guys from Artek write about the wing
      2. LiSiCyn
        LiSiCyn 10 October 2017 11: 52
        +2
        Both with blueberries? Or a mixed crew?
        1. Rushnairfors
          Rushnairfors 10 October 2017 15: 25
          +4
          Both. Yura Medvedkov- pilot05g.v. and navigator Kopylov- I do not know the name 99g.v. I’m familiar with the Jura on the teachings - he’s not my classmate, we worked a little together, so there are no exits for the family, classmates in Chernyakhovsk are also not sure how to help, I don’t know yet, MA will all fold off for sure.
          1. LiSiCyn
            LiSiCyn 10 October 2017 15: 41
            +4
            The people who have access to the Part in Chernyakhovsk, please unsubscribe in PM. I live in Kaliningrad, I want to help the families of the pilots. Ready to take any help to Chernyakhovsk. I am ready to provide any information about myself if someone doubts. With any info and offers, please unsubscribe to the Lichka.
            1. Rushnairfors
              Rushnairfors 10 October 2017 17: 44
              +3
              Lisitsyn, in another article I wrote already, now they are trying to get the number of the cards of the wives, and it’s the photo with the last name, so that people know that it’s not a divorce, (unfortunately there are enough ghouls), I can post it in the group in vibe here at VO- who wants to throw at least 100 rubles. With the world on a thread, families help.
              1. WUA 518
                WUA 518 10 October 2017 18: 11
                0
                Quote: Rushnairfors
                to with a surname a name,

                I think it’s better not to use family names, for the safety of families. And from a legal point of view, we should think over the issue. As soon as the funds begin to accumulate on the cards, the tax one can get hold of it.
                For transfers, the card number of the recipient is enough. From personal experience:
                I'm using the Rostelecom system.
                1. verner1967
                  verner1967 10 October 2017 18: 17
                  0
                  Quote: WUA 518
                  I think it’s better not to have family names, for the safety of families.

                  surnames have already become public for half a day, along with posts by the names, ranks and location of the garrison.
              2. WUA 518
                WUA 518 11 October 2017 18: 00
                0
                Quote: Rushnairfors
                get the card numbers of the wives,

                Check your mail
  18. Mikhail Zubkov
    Mikhail Zubkov 10 October 2017 11: 06
    +1
    Quote: ioann1
    KINGDOM OF HEAVEN, ETERNAL PEACE!

    Equipment and people worked for wear - it’s time to reduce the intensity. In the end, they do not set records there - there is no particular need to rush. And then they dispersed - 4 flights a day ...
    1. Rushnairfors
      Rushnairfors 10 October 2017 11: 19
      +2
      No one sets records, as far as I remember, for front-line aviation 4 sorties is the established combat tension.
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    3. B.T.V.
      B.T.V. 10 October 2017 11: 16
      12
      Quote: Channel One Victories
      Another won. The coffins from Syria go to Russian cities without stopping. Glory to Puten! Kadyrov glory!


      No one’s called, no way, but the stink is “noble”. Whoever you are, everything said and done will come back to you a hundredfold, amen.
  21. saltickov.
    saltickov. 10 October 2017 11: 07
    0
    How so how how so why, most likely it was not without sabotage. Land rest in peace, eternal memory.
    1. creak
      creak 10 October 2017 11: 17
      +5
      Quote: saltickov.
      most likely not without sabotage

      Of course, there are no other reasons for an emergency in the Army, especially in a war, only sabotage and sabotage ... For those who judge military service and military operations on TV reports, this is simply obvious ....
  22. igor1981
    igor1981 10 October 2017 11: 08
    0
    Eternal memory to pilots.
    So everything went smoothly for 2 years on the basis of Khmeimim and here is an unfortunate tragic accident ...
    1. iouris
      iouris 10 October 2017 13: 08
      0
      Quote: igor1981
      and here is an unfortunate tragic accident ..

      Necessity makes its way through a mass of accidents. A random event is an event whose exact time of occurrence cannot be specified. The only thing that can be said is that it can come. You can also specify confidence limits for the number of events in a given organization of a complex process, because a military pilot is a heroic profession.
  23. naspret
    naspret 10 October 2017 11: 08
    0
    Rest in peace
  24. Dmitry Kuzhilney
    Dmitry Kuzhilney 10 October 2017 11: 09
    0
    They were also removed from service with the Russian Air Force last year ... Maybe this is a Syrian plane?
    1. Rushnairfors
      Rushnairfors 10 October 2017 11: 20
      +1
      Who shot them? By 2020, at least in service
      1. Dmitry Kuzhilney
        Dmitry Kuzhilney 10 October 2017 11: 26
        0
        https://lenta.ru/news/2016/09/26/su24/
        1. Michael newage
          Michael newage 10 October 2017 11: 29
          +1
          Su-24 removed the Su-24М Mr remained. read your link carefully.
          1. Dmitry Kuzhilney
            Dmitry Kuzhilney 10 October 2017 13: 15
            0
            The question is removed.
            PS: The information here indicates "Su-24." This is the question of my carelessness.
  25. Greenhouse
    Greenhouse 10 October 2017 11: 09
    +2
    My condolences to the families of the dead pilots .. So scary ...
  26. Free Cossack
    Free Cossack 10 October 2017 11: 10
    0
    The kingdom of heaven untimely departed! Mourn
  27. WildFox72
    WildFox72 10 October 2017 11: 14
    0
    It hurts ... A bright memory for you. We will not forget your feat.
  28. Holoy
    Holoy 10 October 2017 11: 20
    0
    The mess begins ...
    1. vovanpain
      vovanpain 10 October 2017 11: 21
      +7
      Quote: Holoy
      The mess begins ...

      It would be better to express condolences. negativeyou will reprove and be angry after.
      1. Serg65
        Serg65 10 October 2017 11: 30
        +7
        Quote: vovanpain
        Better condolences expressed

        belay How can he express condolences? He is a noble Troll and does not work for free. am . Troll mowing under marine special forces but not knowing how the shkertik differs from the pendant wassat
        And the guys did not die, just Heaven became their permanent home! Everlasting memory!
    2. Michael newage
      Michael newage 10 October 2017 11: 30
      +3
      This is not a mess, this is war.
    3. bober1982
      bober1982 10 October 2017 12: 08
      +3
      Quote: Holoy
      The mess begins ...

      I agree in the comments.
  29. Evgeniy667b
    Evgeniy667b 10 October 2017 11: 20
    +1
    May the Most High accept their bright Souls! The guys gave their lives in the name of Russia, may the earth rest in peace and memory for long summers!
  30. logix1312
    logix1312 10 October 2017 11: 24
    0
    Kingdom of heaven. And eternal memory. Mourn
  31. Mihail55
    Mihail55 10 October 2017 11: 24
    0
    Eternal memory ... very sad. God bless the dead pilots ...
  32. Foundling
    Foundling 10 October 2017 11: 25
    0
    Guys sorry! But to the technicians who ditch the crew of the cloud.
    1. ydjin
      ydjin 10 October 2017 12: 01
      +2
      Quote: Foundling
      Guys sorry! But to the technicians who ditch the crew of the cloud.

      Are you the ultimate truth? No investigation has already reached a verdict ?! Silence better in a rag ... Know-it-all. And the guys have eternal memory, condolences to relatives and friends! Condolences to all of us! Our warriors are gone, in the name of life!
      1. Foundling
        Foundling 10 October 2017 14: 15
        0
        Why should I be silent? Teach your wife to cook borsch! If the plane crashed due to a technical malfunction, then only the technicians who carried out pre-flight training could spoil this malfunction. Every disaster has a first and last name unfortunately.
  33. EvgNik
    EvgNik 10 October 2017 11: 27
    +1
    We honor the memory of those who perished in silence.
    We bow our heads before them.
    Each of them is our son.
    They were young.
  34. pvv113
    pvv113 10 October 2017 11: 28
    +3
    Eternal flight to guys. Relatives and friends - sincere condolences
  35. askme
    askme 10 October 2017 11: 35
    +1
    The bright memory of the heroes!
  36. Kurasava
    Kurasava 10 October 2017 11: 42
    0
    My condolences to family and friends! Colleagues and crew mates! Rest in peace!
  37. Egorovich
    Egorovich 10 October 2017 11: 43
    +4
    May it be much better to you in the next world than on our sinful earth. May God take you to Himself, you deserve it.
  38. Bort radist
    Bort radist 10 October 2017 11: 48
    +2
    Bitter and sad. Condolences to family and fighting friends. This is war and the pilots are military. A couple more lines written in blood in charters and manuals. Earth rest in peace .......
  39. temirtau72
    temirtau72 10 October 2017 11: 48
    0
    Earth rest in peace to the crew.
  40. Romanenko
    Romanenko 10 October 2017 11: 50
    0
    Kingdom of heaven eagles
  41. SOF
    SOF 10 October 2017 12: 00
    +1
    ... the kingdom of heaven ...
  42. Bronevick
    Bronevick 10 October 2017 12: 02
    +1
    Condolences. It's time 24 to rest.
  43. RL
    RL 10 October 2017 12: 13
    +1
    Eternal peace for the children!
    For their families - strength!
    I hope the state will not forget about them.
    If K-36DM was used there, then a fatal accident could occur, only in the case of malfunctioning aircraft control systems, most likely elevators, there may be an attempt to emergency braking when responding to incorrect instrument readings. Electronics is also aging, and sand dust in the air, it will fit everywhere.
    I exclude diversion. Only Russian personnel prepares airplanes for flights and only Russian security guards
  44. John Doe
    John Doe 10 October 2017 12: 15
    0
    In general, the strange “take off” is the easiest and safest part of the flight ...
    1. Michael newage
      Michael newage 10 October 2017 13: 19
      +1
      Takeoff and climb, this is the second most difficult stage of flight after landing. The simplest thing is to fly at a height in a straight line.
    2. Rushnairfors
      Rushnairfors 10 October 2017 15: 27
      +2
      TAKEOFF IS DANGEROUS. FLIGHT IS BEAUTIFUL. LANDING IS DIFFICULT. This proverb is still instr
      1. Rushnairfors
        Rushnairfors 10 October 2017 15: 29
        +2
        Another instructor in the 3rd year said that any pilot knows and is sure that she will confirm that she is right. TAKE-dangerous element of flight !!!!
        1. John Doe
          John Doe 10 October 2017 17: 12
          0
          I was not aware of this to the techie, now I know.
  45. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 10 October 2017 12: 17
    +4
    It happens. sad Anyway, the accident rate at Khmeinim is low, given the large number of sorties.
    Accidents are sometimes inevitable.
    1. Gransasso
      Gransasso 10 October 2017 12: 23
      +2
      If we consider only such a catastrophe with the loss of pilots and aircraft as an accident, then yes ... the rest is unlikely to fall into the inform
  46. Sly
    Sly 10 October 2017 12: 36
    0
    Quote: John Doe
    In general, the strange “take off” is the easiest and safest part of the flight ...

    with the existing console?
  47. Ustin
    Ustin 10 October 2017 12: 50
    +1
    Quote: Rushnairfors
    22nd without taking off from the ground rolled out, with the removal of ores and turning off the engines, did not explode miraculously. And here, if the console has developed, especially after taking off the ground, there is a monstrous unfolding moment, the peasants might not even have time to understand what happened. I don’t claim, just the guys from Artek write about the wing

    They told me about the same thing. There simply wasn’t time ...
  48. RL
    RL 10 October 2017 13: 15
    0
    I don’t know how on the Su-24. Is the automatic bailout system not involved?
    Thank you guys, honor and praise. With their death, they helped developers think through new algorithms for a catapult machine
  49. Aloemc
    Aloemc 10 October 2017 13: 27
    0
    So the second Afghanistan begins, apparently.
    Eternal memory to the Heroes who fell in battle.
    1. LiSiCyn
      LiSiCyn 10 October 2017 16: 07
      +7
      Quote: AloeMC
      So the second Afghanistan begins, apparently.

      What are you talking about ??! Which one, Afghan? Why did you write this? 100% Troll, and at the end of the phrase, about the memory of heroes ... To raise the rating negative
      1. Aloemc
        Aloemc 10 October 2017 16: 50
        0
        Quote: LiSiCyn
        Quote: AloeMC
        So the second Afghanistan begins, apparently.

        What are you talking about ??! Which one, Afghan? Why did you write this? 100% Troll, and at the end of the phrase, about the memory of heroes ... To raise the rating negative


        A sober look at things is a troll. Do not disgrace, please.
        1. LiSiCyn
          LiSiCyn 11 October 2017 04: 07
          +3
          Give arguments? And where is Afghanistan?
  50. james
    james 10 October 2017 13: 40
    0
    Russia, somewhere you are doing something wrong. Look at the scum from the Democracy raising their heads in Belarus, you are losing the young generation of Belarus.
    https://talks.by/showthread.php?t=14342707&pa
    ge = 1
    Read the forum about the death of the SU-24
    1. RL
      RL 10 October 2017 14: 00
      +1
      What did you want? For Russia to send troops to Belarus, like in 1945, in 1953 in Germany, in 1956 in Hungary and Poland, in 1968 in Czechoslovakia?
      Understand yourself!
      1. james
        james 10 October 2017 14: 06
        0
        What does the troops have to do with it? Once again, Russia is losing the information war. Or you personally do not have a military solution other than that.
        1. RL
          RL 10 October 2017 14: 17
          0
          How would you like to solve an unpleasant situation? Russia Help?
          In addition to military "help", Russia does not know how.
          I'm not from Russia
          1. RL
            RL 10 October 2017 14: 19
            0
            And here is the topic for specialists - Su-24, and not for political discussions