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Ankara - Moscow: do not give C-400 technologies, we will agree with the "other country"

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Weathervane of Turkish sentiment turned away from Russia and turned to ... You can not call it. The state of NATO - it is the state of NATO. And it is clear that such a state needs C-400 only together with production technologies. And Turkey does not recognize the "illegal annexation of the Crimea." This was announced by Mr. Erdogan.




Not to give the buyer such technologies means to behave “negatively”. Approximately think so in Ankara. And they not only consider, but speak openly.

Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlüt авavusoglu gave an interview to the newspaper Akşam. This interview was a kind of policy statement and turned out to be a “bomb” for the Russian media.

From the statements of the Minister, it is possible to clarify the following: Ankara may refuse to acquire from Moscow the C-400 anti-aircraft missile systems. Moscow has only one way to deal: conclude an agreement on joint production with Ankara. The secret of this minister did not.

Mevljuta Cavusoglu quotes TASS:

“We did not receive any official refusal on this topic. Putin himself told us that we can take steps for joint production. Therefore, the technology will be relevant. But if Russia has a negative attitude to this, then we can conclude an agreement with another country. ”


If the Russians do not give technology, Turkey can turn to other countries that are opposed to Russia for similar systems. Moreover, the minister made it clear that Turkey would put pressure on them: “We urgently need to buy [C-400] because there is a need for them. We need to protect our airspace. However, if countries against Russia do not want Turkey to buy C-400 from her, then they should give us their option. ”

Recall, Turkish President Erdogan 12 September reported that Turkey has signed an agreement with Russia on the acquisition of C-400. Deposit made. Later information was confirmed by V. Kozhin, Assistant to the President of Russia on issues of military-technical cooperation. He stressed at the same time, notes TASS, that "the issue of the transfer of Turkey to the production technology of anti-aircraft systems C-400 is not discussed."

Who influenced the decision of Ankara? Or is Ankara playing its own game? Do not like our conditions - we will leave you and go to a competitor? The latter is quite possible, since the Turkish "pressure" on a certain "country" has realpolitik roots: after the recent agreements of Saudi Arabia and Russia on the supply of the same C-400, the United States quickly approved the contract with Riyadh on the THAAD systems. Why not act so well with Turkey?

Information on the agreement of Moscow and Riyadh appeared 9 September.

As stated RIA News" Maria Vorobeva, a representative of the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation, Russia and Saudi Arabia have agreed on the supply of C-400 and other weapons. “An agreement has been reached with the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia on the supply of C-400 air defense systems, Kornet-EM anti-tank missile systems, TOC-1A systems, AGS-30 automatic grenade launchers, Kalashnikov AK-103 assault rifles,” the agency leads her words.

In the Kremlin, commenting on this deal, they reported that contacts about its implementation are going "very positively."

This is interesting: with Saudi Arabia everything is “positive”, and the Turks are talking about something “negative”, I mean negative?

The answer to this question is. He came from the Bloomberg agency, which refers to the SAMI press release. It turns out that Moscow and Riyadh have signed not only contracts for the purchase of C-400, but also a memorandum involving the transfer to Saudi Arabia of technologies for creating the Cornet-EM complexes, the TOC-1A Buratino system, the AGS-30 grenade launchers, and AK- 103.

On the other hand, nothing is said about C-400 technology! So, here for the Saudis, too, a "negative" field begins. The issue of C-400 technology transfer is closed not for Turkey alone, but also for Saudi Arabia.

But Ankara would not be Ankara if it did not set its own conditions. Turkey - a partner so flexible that its international flexibility is probably surprised by itself.

However, the casket just opened. It's all about the USA. Not so Turkey and independent, as Erdogan sees it. Yes, and it is difficult to be completely independent, if you enter a military bloc.

If the Pentagon expressed "concern" regarding the intentions of Riyadh to purchase C-400 complexes, because the latter "are not operatively combined" with "American-made" systems, then God himself ordered Turkey to receive it from the hegemon. And it was stuck. Preventive. And Ankara, emboldened, grumbled, but decided to back out.

Warnings from the United States were heard in mid-September, when Ankara was already aware of the interest of C-400.

Highly respected in the US, Senator Ben Cardin, an influential man, sent letter to President Trump, in which he openly called for sanctions against Turkey. The reason for the restrictive measures was to be a deal to purchase C-400. The sanctions would impose penalties for all business partners of the Russian defense industry.

This is not to say that the emotional solution of the old Cardin would contribute to improving relations between the United States and Turkey, which were already spoiled.

President Erdogan sharply answered Washington: “Some were beside themselves with anger at the contract that Turkey and Russia signed for the supply of C-400 systems. And what should we do? Turkey has taken and will continue to take the necessary measures to ensure its security. "

And then he made a key statement: he said that both the United States and Israel themselves exacerbated the situation by refusing to supply Turkey with combat drones. As a result, Turkey itself has established their production!

Perhaps we add, Erdogan hoped that the Turks would produce C-400 on their own territory, and the Russians could be persuaded to be more compliant and transfer technology. In the end, Ankara and Moscow are now “partners” in Syria. In addition, Russia has a crisis, sanctions against Russia and cheap oil.

And now the minister speaks and talks about the "negative." And mentions countries "opposed to Russia." They say, not Russia, so these countries will give the appropriate complexes. Rather, the "other country" will give.

The Kremlin’s response to Mr. Peskov’s is well known. Presidential Spokesperson saidthat "contacts and negotiations at the expert level continue in the context of this transaction." He did not give any details.

As insists Kommersant, the Turkish military expected to get not only ready-made systems, but also access to technology. The goal - the assembly of "Triumphs" on its territory. Nevertheless, the Russian negotiators managed to achieve the signing of an agreement without technology transfer.

“We are talking about very serious technologies: it is impossible to take and build an enterprise for the production of such equipment in the field,” said Rostekh CEO Sergey Chemezov. - There must be appropriate qualified personnel, technology school. All this would have taken several decades. ”

Sources working in the system of military-technical cooperation, told the publication that the words of the head of the Foreign Ministry of Turkey by Russian structures are regarded as “an element of the political game.

“We have signed a serious contract, it contains all the legal subtleties and obligations of each of the parties,” said one of the anonymous interlocutors of Kommersant. “It’s just not possible to break the contract anymore.”

By the way, the source suggested that the statements of Cavusoglu were provoked history with the prospects of supplying C-400 to Riyadh: against the backdrop of an agreement to supply C-400, the State Department approved the Pentagon’s deal with the Saudis to sell THAAD in the amount of about 15 billion. “Perhaps, Ankara waited for the same step. It turned out to be a shame: they did not wait, ”the source commented.

Ankara does not have to rely on the transfer of technologies because Russian special services were against this form of cooperation. They consider it inappropriate to give a NATO member access to the C-400 components. The military expert A. Leonkov clarifies: the “Triumph” radar station, which is considered one of the most progressive in its segment, is of particular interest.

In addition to a harsh statement about “another country,” Ankara was noted by another high-profile performance. This time the speech was made by President Erdogan himself.

The President of the Republic of Turkey stated that Turkey does not recognize the illegal annexation of the Crimea. R.T. Erdogan reported this at a joint press conference with President Poroshenko in Kiev.

"I once again assured Poroshenko that Turkey will continue to support the sovereignty of Ukraine, its territorial integrity, including the Crimea, and political consolidation," Erdogan quotes "UNIAN".

“We did not recognize and do not recognize the illegal annexation of Crimea. We are very pleased with the support that Ukraine provides to the Crimean Tatars, who have proved loyalty to their country, ”he continued. According to the Turkish president, Ankara will continue to closely monitor the situation around the Crimean Tatars in the occupied Crimea, as well as to support this issue on the international agenda.

* * *


How many times at the highest level did they talk about “stabs in the back”? Here are two more blows, two more knives. There is already no living space on the back.

As for C-400, then, in general, everything is clear. Ankara plays in competition.

At the same time, it turned out that Turkey is interested in buying Patriot systems from the USA. About it reported The Daily Sabah newspaper, citing a source in the Turkish government.

The source confirmed the publication of the interest of the republic in the American systems. And the main condition (attention!) For the purchase of a Patriot missile defense system is the transfer of technology and co-production.

Obviously, the Turks want and technology, and local production, and the pliability of the "partners".

And which of the competitors will falter first?

Observed and commented on Oleg Chuvakin
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  1. Vend
    Vend 10 October 2017 09: 38 New
    +6
    Everyone is trying to sit on several chairs. Apparently the Russian ban is not enlightened.
    1. the most important
      the most important 10 October 2017 10: 49 New
      48
      Quote: Wend
      Everyone is trying to sit on several chairs. Apparently the Russian ban is not enlightened.

      They spit, sneezed and farted at our bans. This is Turkey!! We will never be friends. They will always try to do disgust for Russia. The only way out can be only the partition of Turkey and the withdrawal of its disputed territories to its neighbors (Syria, Armenia, Greece, Bulgaria, the straits - Russia) and the creation of Kurdistan. And from Turkey there should remain a small territory, incapable of reviving the Ottoman Empire. The only way! the world is cruel: either we ... or us!
      1. Orakul2000
        Orakul2000 10 October 2017 11: 51 New
        29
        Absolutely agree. I will say more than that, I won’t be surprised if the technology order was initiated not by the Turks themselves, but by their partners in the NATO bloc. Sultan Erdogan is sleeping and sees the restoration of the Ottoman Empire, therefore it is clear that in the near future, the Turks will have territorial claims to all the states bordering them. To be honest, I did not understand the logic of this agreement between Russia and Turkey; Turkey and Russia never were and will not be allies, the difference in mentality and duplicity and imperial manners of the Sultan will bring down this alliance as soon as the Turks want to begin expansion. By the way, the war in Syria and the pacification of the Kurds is a very good reason for this. Besides, do you really think that the Turks will liberate all the territories they control in Syria, or those territories that they supposedly will wring out from the Barmales to help Syria? You do not need to be a super analyst to read and view the messages and speeches of the ruling Turkish establishment in order to understand that the Turks feel that they are the most powerful army in Europe and the Middle East. If the Turks are given slack, the war with the Barley may seem like a weak cartoon.
        1. the most important
          the most important 10 October 2017 12: 35 New
          13
          Quote: Orakul2000
          I honestly did not understand the logic of this agreement between Russia and Turkey at all.

          I, like the absolute majority, also can not understand these "games" ... Well, okay, they would play for a long time and the result was the result. so there are no good results! A “game” with Ukraine at the age of 25 showed that on the territory of Russia (temporarily occupied Ukraine) anti-Russia partners were formed from Russians with an elite ready to send 40 million deceived citizens to the slaughterhouse. And what’s most opposite, the fate of Russia is not decided in Moscow , no matter how they would trumpet the box, but in Berlin Frau with a thick booty and in Paris Emmanuel (isn't it from the movie?). So it turns out that there is no order and development in the country, and they are afraid of the reaction of “partners” in foreign policy ... Russia is on the verge of change or falls into a swamp?
          1. bandabas
            bandabas 10 October 2017 22: 50 New
            +2
            Just "tomatoes" in the country are not enough. At an adequate price for citizens. But there is a DAM with import substitution and NANAtehnologii.
          2. 73bor
            73bor 11 October 2017 06: 40 New
            +1
            The Turks are well aware that technology transfer is not possible, this is not an AK-47 assault rifle! Maybe even “Almaz-Antey” give them?
        2. Setrac
          Setrac 10 October 2017 17: 16 New
          0
          Quote: Orakul2000
          Turks feel themselves to be the strongest army both in Europe and in the Middle East

          That they got excited, even if you do not take into account Russia.
      2. weksha50
        weksha50 10 October 2017 12: 40 New
        +4
        Quote: the most important
        the dismemberment of Turkey and the departure of its disputed territories to its neighbors (Syria, Armenia, Greece, Bulgaria, straits - Russia)



        Well so ... We need to be consistent and rational in our reasoning and claims ... In the fig, we need straits as incomprehensible territories such as the Kaliningrad region and Crimea, which do not have direct land communication with the central part of Russia?
        In general, if you look at the map, then the division and joining should somehow happen differently ... laughing
        1. the most important
          the most important 10 October 2017 13: 26 New
          +4
          Quote: weksha50
          In figs we have straits as incomprehensible territories such as the Kaliningrad region and Crimea,

          on a fig ... on a fig .... alas, not everyone can look and think strategically ... so that the fleet would not be locked in the World Cup and the adversaries would not have landed on the shores of Russia, as has happened more than once. There are no friends in the world! We must be strong and powerful ourselves!
          1. weksha50
            weksha50 10 October 2017 19: 07 New
            +1
            Quote: the most important
            on a fig ... on a fig .... alas, not everyone can look and think strategically ... so that the fleet would not be locked in the World Cup and the adversaries would not have landed on the shores of Russia, as has happened more than once. There are no friends in the world! We must be strong and powerful ourselves!



            Hmm ... I ended up with this conclusion: "In general, if you look at the map, then the division and joining must somehow happen differently ".. That land connection with the central territory was ... laughing hi
      3. Vend
        Vend 10 October 2017 13: 02 New
        0
        Quote: the most important
        Quote: Wend
        Everyone is trying to sit on several chairs. Apparently the Russian ban is not enlightened.

        They spit, sneezed and farted at our bans. This is Turkey!! We will never be friends. They will always try to do disgust for Russia. The only way out can be only the partition of Turkey and the withdrawal of its disputed territories to its neighbors (Syria, Armenia, Greece, Bulgaria, the straits - Russia) and the creation of Kurdistan. And from Turkey there should remain a small territory, incapable of reviving the Ottoman Empire. The only way! the world is cruel: either we ... or us!

        However, at the request of Russia, they apologized for the downed plane, after the ban on Turkish imports.
        1. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona 10 October 2017 19: 11 New
          +2
          Yeah, we said they apologized.
    2. siberalt
      siberalt 10 October 2017 11: 20 New
      +5
      Let Erdogan ask for technology on weapons from his host in NATO, and not stupidly buy from him what he is caught up with. laughing
    3. Antianglosax
      Antianglosax 10 October 2017 11: 44 New
      +3
      Let the patriots buy a farther from Amero-geeks, at the current stage, we have where to attach the C400. Or will our bosses, as usual, endure any humiliation for the loot? In the West, they are firmly convinced that our government is greedy, venal and thieving, which is why they behave so brazenly.
      1. ARES623
        ARES623 10 October 2017 17: 23 New
        +1
        Quote: Antianglosaks
        Or will our bosses, as usual, endure any humiliation for the loot?

        With this “dough” pensions are paid, bridges are built, social obligations are fulfilled. So there is no need to be holier than the Pope. Very proud to be good, but hungry.
        1. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona 10 October 2017 19: 14 New
          +1
          This loot will replace the aircraft shot down by S-400 Turkish
          1. ARES623
            ARES623 10 October 2017 20: 18 New
            +4
            Quote: BlackMokona
            This loot will replace the aircraft shot down by S-400 Turkish

            Firstly, the S-400s exported are somewhat different from the S-400s that are in service with us. Secondly, aircraft can be shot down by both Patriots and SM of various modifications, etc. It must be borne in mind that anti-aircraft weapons are mainly defensive. I hope you are not going to capture Turkey? And then, there is a moment when the “foreign partner” is so close to independent (to some extent) mastering the technology that today he will buy it again, and tomorrow they will not offer money for this technology. I do not think that our management does not calculate the alleged risks. In our country, however, it is quite pragmatic and consistent. And giving him advice of hopeless "wisdom" is probably not worth it.
            1. Blackmokona
              Blackmokona 11 October 2017 14: 58 New
              0
              Turks require S-400 technology
              1. ARES623
                ARES623 11 October 2017 15: 46 New
                +2
                Quote: BlackMokona
                Turks require S-400 technology

                So what? To resolve these issues, quite adequate people are collected, incl. manufacturers and intelligence, determine what they can sell and what cannot, given the re-purchase of what was sold by "partners." Thank God today Gorbachev is not in power. I think that despite the fact that we will write everything in chorus here, the decision will be made in accordance with the intelligence of our leadership, and we still won’t recognize its full format. Our place in the auditorium, watch and enjoy wink
        2. 97110
          97110 13 October 2017 19: 39 New
          +2
          Quote: ARES623
          This "dough" pensions are paid

          And how much money did the golden youth pay for? There is no noticeable bloody callus on the beauty that a man just recently that could still serve in the Russian army, was demolished in Rostov. And great intelligence too. Only the jaws and hair, like a poet sang. No need to treat us about the order of payments. How many pensioners can be fed the entire period of survival, if the donor of this car is asked: "where is the money from?" And shake your legs ...
          1. ARES623
            ARES623 13 October 2017 21: 49 New
            +1
            Quote: 97110
            How many pensioners can be fed the entire period of survival, if the donor of this car is asked: "where is the money from?" And shake your legs ...

            Yeah, take everything and share, as comrade Sharikov bequeathed !!! You see, history does not teach you anything ...
            1. 97110
              97110 14 October 2017 14: 12 New
              +3
              Quote: ARES623
              take everything and share, as comrade Sharikov bequeathed !!

              This characterizes you as an experienced polemicist. Take the common slogan and attribute it to the opponent. I did not call anywhere to take and share. And to ask a question to a person whose expenses do not correspond to his declared income? Necessary. If they correspond, then close ... about pensions and the welfare state. Do you have an idea about the size of the pension compared to the price of a sports car? And pensioners have. Why is the demonstrative process of laying a bolt on the feelings of the people not stopped? Is this an indication of the place of future defenders of the motherland in the impending war? Well, to know how their homeland is going to thank? In the 1914 war, the slogan "the tsarina is German, betrayed us," meant "take and share"? No, he meant that his greatness could not cope with the education of personnel. And your stupid slogans about pensions, which are paid at the expense of the proceeds from the sale of S-400, show your ignorance. Or excessive zeal in demonstrating a selfless love for superiors. The source of funds for the payment of pensions is the Pension Fund of the Russian Federation. But the source of funds for the sweet life of the "golden youth" is the money stolen from Russia. Which do not need to be shared in any way you invented. They must follow the path provided by law. And the chosen deputies of the sovereign Duma should clear that way. Does not work? Change!
              1. ARES623
                ARES623 14 October 2017 16: 56 New
                +1
                Quote: 97110
                I didn’t call anywhere to take and share

                And “How many pensioners can be fed the entire period of survival, if you ask the donor of this car:“ where is the money from? ”And shake the legs ...“ is that about? You would first explain who hit whom. And I don’t have to ask questions about sports cars. I myself live on salary + pension, without loans for already earned money, I don’t look at the 600th gelding, it doesn’t annoy me.
                Quote: 97110
                And your stupid slogans about pensions, which are paid at the expense of the proceeds from the sale of S-400, show your ignorance.

                With a pension fund, you too will get to the bottom of it ... before an emotional outburst read article 17 167FZ (as amended on July 29.07.2017, XNUMX) there will be a clarification of thoughts. For all other questions, you, apparently, are the same "off topic."
                Quote: 97110
                But the source of funds for the sweet life of the "golden youth" is the money stolen from Russia. Which do not need to be shared in any way you invented. They must follow the path provided by law. And the chosen deputies of the sovereign Duma should clear that way. Does not work? Change!

                And the "golden youth" is who? “Money stolen”, “change of deputies” - some kind of slogans are continuous, generalizations for children. Well, it’s true, it’s not solid ..... In the course of any university they read the course of “logic”, well, put the knowledge into practice in order to formulate a clear idea. Sorry for the harshness ...
                1. 97110
                  97110 14 October 2017 17: 05 New
                  +1
                  Quote: ARES623
                  Sorry for the harshness ...

                  Let it be to you. You live on earned money, do not consider someone else's - you have the right.
      2. Alf
        Alf 10 October 2017 22: 08 New
        +1
        Quote: Antianglosaks
        In the West, they are firmly convinced that our government is greedy, venal and thieving,
        Isn’t that so?
        1. ARES623
          ARES623 11 October 2017 22: 11 New
          +1
          Quote: Alf
          Isn’t that so?

          People in power are sitting like you and me. With all the pros and cons. Have specific questions? Ask. The prosecutor's office is working properly, in the sense, almost daily.
          1. Alf
            Alf 12 October 2017 22: 46 New
            +2
            Quote: ARES623
            The prosecutor's office is working properly, in the sense, almost daily.

            Serdyukov, Vasilyeva ... Continue to continue? Our valiant prosecutor’s office is looking where they are allowed to.
            1. ARES623
              ARES623 13 October 2017 10: 08 New
              +2
              Quote: Alf
              Serdyukov, Vasilyeva ... Continue to continue? Our valiant prosecutor’s office is looking where they are allowed to.

              Are you familiar with the criminal case and can judge the quality of the investigation and the court’s decision in essence? I think that you know exactly what the journalists wrote. But they are not lawyers, and often carry complete nonsense, sometimes for some money, precisely in order to create public opinion from scratch. I do not want to justify them, but your example is not entirely adequate. Such money is spinning there that there are always those who want to pass off a gray one for black and vice versa.
              1. 97110
                97110 13 October 2017 19: 52 New
                0
                Quote: ARES623
                Such money is spinning there that there are always those who want to pass off a gray one for black and vice versa.

                The inability of those who are responsible for creating an opinion on the matter for the public on important issues or their absence does not need to be explained by the amount of money circulating there. Moreover, it is necessary to create the opinion necessary for the leadership. Serdyukov - a worthy worker? So said the rowers on the tandem gallery. Then it is significant to detain and sentence to death immediately after the lifting of the moratorium on defamatory worthy person, a good worker for defamation and attempted violent change of the constitutional system. Or give Serdyukov at least six years probation. Let him know that he is not abandoned by Sovereign mercy.
                1. aybolyt678
                  aybolyt678 13 October 2017 20: 02 New
                  +2
                  Quote: 97110
                  Serdyukov - a worthy worker?

                  I think Serdyukov is a wonderful worker, this whole operation of inflating the myth of theft in the army from beginning to end is an operation to misinform the FSB
                  1. 97110
                    97110 13 October 2017 20: 10 New
                    +1
                    Quote: aybolyt678
                    I think Serdyukov is a wonderful worker,

                    Your right. If this is an operation of the great-grandchildren of FE, then all the more it is necessary to bring it to its logical end. According to your excellent employee, Serdyukov was exiled as a thief for covering his tracks? So give him 6 years probation. To completely ends in conditional water. And it is possible with a delay until they reach adulthood of their joint child with Vasilyeva. While giving birth, while raising ...
                2. ARES623
                  ARES623 13 October 2017 21: 56 New
                  +1
                  Quote: 97110
                  The inability of those who are responsible for creating an opinion on the matter for the public on important issues or their absence does not need to be explained by the amount of money circulating there.

                  Are you definitely a Martian? Do you really think that all the media are fed from one pocket? I don’t want to disappoint you, her life is what it is. We cannot change the management system, but we can try to think. You know, it improves the quality of life ... wink
                  1. 97110
                    97110 14 October 2017 14: 18 New
                    0
                    Quote: ARES623
                    Are you definitely a Martian?

                    Why do you consider the presence of a country entering the war with the strongest enemy a special service to inform the population as a sign of a Martian? Are you American hired? You, like the US, are satisfied with the mess that is happening in our country with information?
                    1. ARES623
                      ARES623 14 October 2017 16: 41 New
                      +1
                      Quote: 97110
                      You, like the US, are satisfied with the mess that is happening in our country with information?

                      I’m telling you about what really happened, and not about whether this suits me or not. I wanted to tell you that you can pour a bucket of dirt on a person, no matter what his last name, at least 97110, while not formally violating criminal law. Therefore, to lament for a specific court decision, not knowing the content of the criminal case, is naive and unreasonable. Here is a brief summary of what I wanted to convey to you. I do not presume to assess Vasiliev and Serdyukov from the point of view of criminal law. Another thing, the decision of the President and the Prime Minister who appointed him, I do not approve. But disputes have been going on for a long time about whether, for example, the minister should have education and experience in the main line of the ministry. One teacher on "Effective Management" once came to us, who, based on the experience of several countries, tried to convince us that the head doctor of a large hospital may not have a medical education. In the government, apparently the same crap ...
    4. Blombir
      Blombir 10 October 2017 20: 38 New
      +2
      All this Turkish fuss with the S-400 was started with the aim of blackmail. Moreover, both those and these gathered to blackmail.
    5. nickname7
      nickname7 15 October 2017 09: 47 New
      0
      And even give the technology, the Saudis also want to buy the S-400, give everyone the best and the most modern, the main thing here is not to get carried away with sales and not to sell a briefcase with a red button.
  2. 210ox
    210ox 10 October 2017 09: 40 New
    12
    Yes, for God's sake. Turn to SA .. They are written off "Patriots" will put you instead C400 ..
    1. Tsoy
      Tsoy 10 October 2017 11: 26 New
      +2
      Patriots and THAAD work in conjunction. One is not replaced by another.
  3. Gamer
    Gamer 10 October 2017 09: 44 New
    +6
    noise-like in the Turkish bazaar, apparently, there are no fools to sell Turkey something along with technology
  4. Captain Pushkin
    Captain Pushkin 10 October 2017 09: 48 New
    13
    Do we need it, do we need to transfer missile technology to the Turks? And without the Turks, copying specialists divorced unnecessarily: Chinese, Iranians, Koreans (both northern and southern). The Chinese are already selling S-300 analogues, and soon they will start offering S-400 analogues.
    1. kapitan92
      kapitan92 10 October 2017 10: 02 New
      11
      Quote: Captain Pushkin
      Do we need it, do we need to transfer missile technology to the Turks?

      Let's figure it out! There are different technologies: the "friend or foe" technology is one thing, and the technology for providing the electronic complex energy in the field is different.
      Something can be conveyed, something not.
      There is the usual blackmail of “Putin’s partners”! Let's leave it to our specialists - they’ll figure it out. hi
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 10 October 2017 17: 18 New
        0
        Quote: kapitan92
        There is the usual blackmail of “Putin’s partners”! Let's leave it to our specialists - they’ll figure it out

        Everything is exactly the opposite - the usual blackmail of the American "partners", Russia here as an alternative to bargaining, they will still take the American.
  5. domnich
    domnich 10 October 2017 09: 52 New
    10
    Maybe our Patriots can offer them cheaper and along with technologies, and equip the Airborne Forces with something else ...
  6. Dr. Hub
    Dr. Hub 10 October 2017 10: 00 New
    +9
    A rare prostitute. Why are such friends needed?
  7. aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 10 October 2017 10: 09 New
    10
    How tired of this rat fuss! America sells weapons to Africa - it’s bad, we sell it well !! When will we start a self-sufficient economy ?? For the education of youth ?? so that we have better than there ??
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 10 October 2017 11: 12 New
      +5
      Quote: aybolyt678
      How tired of this rat fuss!

      We express our concern to Erdogache’s sculpting friend and continue to observe with great “admiration” the successes of our foreign and domestic policies.
      1. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 10 October 2017 12: 22 New
        +6
        Quote: Stroporez
        we continue to observe with great "admiration" the successes of our foreign and domestic policies.

        external successes depend on the internal state. Is always.
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 10 October 2017 12: 38 New
          +4
          Quote: aybolyt678
          external successes depend on the internal state. Is always.

          That is why I turned on the banter! wassat drinks
    2. Alf
      Alf 10 October 2017 22: 09 New
      +3
      Quote: aybolyt678
      When will we start a self-sufficient economy ?? For the education of youth ?? so that we have better than there ??

      When will we change the Kremlin regime.
      1. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 11 October 2017 07: 14 New
        +1
        Quote: Alf
        When will we change the Kremlin regime.

        often hear change, change, but what to change? Does anyone have a real program with the possibility of implementation?
        1. Alf
          Alf 11 October 2017 21: 11 New
          +3
          Quote: aybolyt678
          Quote: Alf
          When will we change the Kremlin regime.

          often hear change, change, but what to change? Does anyone have a real program with the possibility of implementation?

          But what is the Communist Party program not suitable for?
          1. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 12 October 2017 05: 28 New
            +2
            declarative program, Where will they get people and specialists? Chill them. Like trump
    3. Azov
      Azov 13 October 2017 13: 48 New
      0
      If we don’t sell, then someone else will sell it anyway, so you need to use the opportunity to sell weapons and raise your defense and make the country defensive, especially since the S-400 is a purely defensive weapon, and a self-sufficient economy, educating young people and others problems are completely out of place here.
      1. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 13 October 2017 20: 04 New
        +1
        Quote: Azov
        and a self-sufficient economy, youth education and other problems are completely out of place here.

        Your point of view is clear, you are still very young!
      2. nickname7
        nickname7 15 October 2017 09: 50 New
        0
        So you have to immediately sell the nuclear suitcase, with a red button.
  8. saltickov.
    saltickov. 10 October 2017 10: 14 New
    +3
    It’s not for the Americans that they are trying, give them the technology, which Erdogan is not adequate for.
  9. Conductor
    Conductor 10 October 2017 10: 15 New
    +4
    V. Kozhin is the one who was managing the President? Is Genral Major? So he’s some kind of expert then a military one))))) I had (unfortunately died) a friend Podpol, two orders of KZ and BKZ, although there was a difference in years, he was 19 years older than me, he worked in the administration of the head of the Southern Federal District , in Rostov-on-Don about Kozhin spoke extremely negatively, as about a man and as an officer.
  10. Warnoob
    Warnoob 10 October 2017 10: 24 New
    +2
    Damn, the comrade obviously has mental problems. Return the down payment to them and let them go on foot erotic.
    1. Vlad.by
      Vlad.by 10 October 2017 12: 19 New
      +2
      Why would they return something to them? The deposit is not returned, and in such cases - the penalty is also set. 100% such an option is provided in the contract.
      1. Warnoob
        Warnoob 10 October 2017 12: 47 New
        0
        I think it’s better to pay a penalty than to merge strategic technologies.
        1. Alf
          Alf 10 October 2017 22: 11 New
          +1
          Quote: WarNoob
          I think it’s better to pay a penalty than to merge strategic technologies.

          Wrong. They will sell, or rather, give. And they will explain to us from the zombie man that we will build ourselves even better with the money received. That's just the money in the account will not replace the rockets in the warehouse.
    2. 97110
      97110 13 October 2017 19: 59 New
      0
      Quote: WarNoob
      Return the down payment to them and let them go on foot erotic.

      What are you so generous? And from what pensions will pay? This is not like a down payment, but a deposit. It’s more convenient to walk light on foot.
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  12. novel66
    novel66 10 October 2017 10: 31 New
    +2
    Well, Poland was insulted with bad words about reduced social responsibility, and Turkey is even worse .... a mess, not Europe, their pimp is also unpleasant, fu!
  13. grandfather Mih
    grandfather Mih 10 October 2017 10: 33 New
    +1
    Deliveries by deliveries, and give technology .... The key to the apartment, where the money is, is not needed? Here's another: give the wife to his uncle, and go yourself .... Machine for wrapping the lower lip - free of charge.
  14. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 10 October 2017 10: 33 New
    +4
    Turks cannot be trusted. This whole story with the purchase of the S-400 is only needed for Turkey to show the United States that they are supposedly independent in making decisions ... but only the technologies will go to Turkey, on the same day they (the technologies) will be on the table in the Pentagon, and Turks themselves will purchase one of the systems of American production.
  15. fa2998
    fa2998 10 October 2017 10: 35 New
    +2
    Quote: Gamer
    noise-like in the Turkish bazaar, apparently, there are no fools to sell Turkey something along with technology

    And in my opinion, all the preliminary agreements on the sale of S-400 to Saud and Turkey were really PRELIMINARY. This government of CA and Turkey wanted to influence the United States for discounts, benefits. Some sell their oil for dollars, others are a member of NATO, and the leader of the alliance themselves you know who. They’re not going anywhere from the USA.
    Now we’ll check, our complex is really the best. If you buy despite the pressure, refusal to transfer technologies, then it’s really good. But it’s written with a pitchfork, it’s too early to shout “unparalleled.” And do not succumb to blackmail, otherwise China technology transferred, and now an extra competitor builds and sells itself. hi
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 10 October 2017 17: 21 New
      +1
      Quote: fa2998
      Now let’s check that our complex is really the best.

      Quote: fa2998
      If you buy in spite of the pressure, the rejection of technology transfer, then it’s really good.

      How does buying or selling the S-400 prove its quality? Yes you are raving!
  16. andrew42
    andrew42 10 October 2017 10: 38 New
    0
    Well Erdogan, well, handsome! And he does not want the keys to the apartment where the money is? However, it is possible to put the S-400, along with the Russian military bases, and the contingent, with the financing of infrastructure from Turkey. He wants protection - let him pay. You can even tomatoes.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 10 October 2017 11: 42 New
      +3
      Quote: andrew42
      He wants protection - let him pay. You can even tomatoes.

      Horror!!! We won’t drink so much tomato juice !!! laughing
  17. creak
    creak 10 October 2017 10: 39 New
    +2
    The Turks turned away from Russia and turned to ... And when they really turned to us ... It's time to change the pink glasses ... fellow normal so that once again not to step on the same rake. Or does the bump on the forehead no longer hurt?
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 10 October 2017 17: 23 New
      0
      Quote: ranger
      The Turks turned away from Russia and turned to ... And when they really turned to us ...

      The Turks have to spin very fast so that they don’t plant ar from nowhere.
  18. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 10 October 2017 10: 51 New
    +2
    Near Moscow there is only one way to deal:

    And these are the words of a pure NATO and, moreover, direct blackmail. That is what it means at the time for a downed Russian plane a simple apology. And then again on the rise - blackmail on the "Turkish stream"?
    1. mat-vey
      mat-vey 10 October 2017 11: 34 New
      +3
      Well, as effective managers have proven themselves, they behave with them ..
  19. askme
    askme 10 October 2017 10: 52 New
    +2
    Well, everything is simple: we take the advance for ourselves as a forfeit. And let him go through the forest)) His cunning opa is his problem. I think so) Regarding the penalty for the failure of the contract not due to the seller’s fault, I’m sure everything is provided there) After the transaction is concluded, blah blah doesn’t roll, then they read the contract and fulfill the obligations under it) That is, it seems more like a loss of mental remains, or to an agreement with Putin, as a tactical moment in the game with the Yankees, especially with regard to his reputation, he has nothing to lose, everything is in the distant past, now he is a weak, exhausted old man with patches on his guard - he can lie about anything, it is important that he does it realistically. ..
  20. maratk
    maratk 10 October 2017 10: 55 New
    +2
    Turkish words have nothing to be surprised. It’s time to get used to it. It’s like a Chinese man who has been living in Europe for more than a decade will never turn white. So it is here. There is such a word GENES or a natural law. Turks always spoke a lot and shamelessly. The main thing is not words but business.
  21. Wedmak
    Wedmak 10 October 2017 11: 05 New
    0
    Turks want both technology, and local production, and the compliantness of "partners."

    But the Turks do not want too much? After the purges in his country, Erdogan’s campaign became too arrogant. Why would he need technology there if there are no specialists or technical capabilities. He wants to enter someone else’s hump in paradise.
    1. mat-vey
      mat-vey 10 October 2017 11: 36 New
      +1
      Well, for a downed plane they threw him into the gums, and then something may break off ... how you behave so they have you ...
  22. SMP
    SMP 10 October 2017 11: 08 New
    +1
    If the Russians do not give technology, Turkey can turn to other countries that are opposed to Russia for similar systems. Moreover, the minister made it clear that Turkey would put pressure on them: “We urgently need to buy [C-400] because there is a need for them. We need to protect our airspace. However, if countries against Russia do not want Turkey to buy C-400 from her, then they should give us their option. ”


    I didn’t even read further, what technologies?
    Software and Fabs of Zelenograd for the production of Elbrus CPU and other microprocessors that are on the S-400?
    They would still require Intel technology from amers, In my opinion, the translation is not correct, since it is not possible to transfer all technologies at all in principle, but only a screwdriver assembly.
  23. ares. 833
    ares. 833 10 October 2017 11: 09 New
    +1
    Why only at C 400? A cornet um, etc.? So the Saudis will then be used against ours !!! Then they wonder where the Russian weapons come from.
  24. CooL_SnipeR
    CooL_SnipeR 10 October 2017 11: 15 New
    +1
    Maybe he should distort the nada? negative
  25. Darvin dv
    Darvin dv 10 October 2017 11: 20 New
    0
    Come on .... And then where will they put their tomatoes? And what about Rostourism does not recommend .....
    1. Alf
      Alf 10 October 2017 22: 15 New
      0
      Quote: DarvinDV
      And what about Rostourism does not recommend .....

      Fine. Last time, I didn’t recommend it, so our office riffraff began to travel through Belarus.
  26. Young_Communist
    Young_Communist 10 October 2017 11: 24 New
    13
    Remember my words - brother Erdogan will wait when we finish the Turkish stream along the bottom of the sea, swell millions into it and when a couple of kilometer remains to the Turkish coast, he will crank Gazprom and our Foreign Ministry in one place, demanding a dofig of everything that is not covered by the initial contract.
    1. Orakul2000
      Orakul2000 10 October 2017 12: 15 New
      +4
      And it will be in a typical Turkish dastardly and two-faced style.
    2. fa2998
      fa2998 10 October 2017 14: 15 New
      +4
      And then Vladimir Vladimirovich will scream on TV- “TOMATOES WILL NOT SEPARATE!”, But then we will concede and we will return everything to their places. Tomatoes, tourists, builders, etc. Our soul is generous (for foreigners)! lol hi
  27. Tsoy
    Tsoy 10 October 2017 11: 24 New
    0
    Ankara does not have to rely on the transfer of technologies because Russian special services were against this form of cooperation.


    Technology transfer - we are against it! But you can buy the complex itself and disassemble it by screw. You will not understand yourself, invite specialists from overseas. Brad is the same. laughing
  28. duchy
    duchy 10 October 2017 11: 47 New
    0
    But Ankara would not be Ankara if it did not set its own conditions. Turkey - a partner so flexible that its international flexibility is probably surprised by itself.


    Such “flexible” behavior is more like the behavior of “women with low social responsibility” in pursuit of the “sweetest,” only nationwide. laughing
  29. weksha50
    weksha50 10 October 2017 12: 37 New
    +1
    “Ankara doesn’t have to rely on technology transfer because the Russian special services opposed such a form of cooperation. They consider inappropriate to give a NATO member access to S-400 components"...

    Thank God ... And then we’ll bargain technology for the Apocalypse ... All the tricky ... smart ones went ... China, India, Saudis, Turkey ... Do not just sell, but with technology ...
    And Turkey ... is haggling ... defaming ... blackmailing ... and the chief (USA) ordered the technology to get ... Well, well ...
  30. vlad007
    vlad007 10 October 2017 12: 45 New
    0
    I think that all the actions of Turkey have been agreed with Putin. Erdogan recently met with him and even listed a deposit for C-400. It is unlikely that he was so insolent that after a meeting face to face to give such surprises. There is some kind of incomprehensible game to us. This is normal.
    1. Alf
      Alf 10 October 2017 22: 16 New
      0
      Quote: vlad007
      There is some kind of incomprehensible game to us. This is normal.

      Again HPP. Not tired?
      1. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 12 October 2017 05: 35 New
        +1
        Quote: Alf
        There is some kind of incomprehensible game to us. This is normal.

        the norm is to make an understandable game, in our interests, or not affecting our interests.
        1. Alf
          Alf 12 October 2017 22: 47 New
          0
          Quote: aybolyt678
          Quote: Alf
          There is some kind of incomprehensible game to us. This is normal.

          the norm is to make an understandable game, in our interests, or not affecting our interests.

          And what prevents it from being done?
          1. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 14 October 2017 10: 34 New
            +1
            But what makes us sell weapons in general? why are we selling weapons and not keeping them secret, and the whole world is switching to other standards because of this. Yes, because we, apart from resources and weapons, have nothing to trade. The lack of a normal, self-sufficient economy prevents us from living. Building it is difficult, but simple. Much easier than fighting. There would be political will.
  31. Prisoner
    Prisoner 10 October 2017 13: 29 New
    0
    There were not enough Turks to equip with technology. The last day in the world we live that for the sake of money we will help to create weapons against ourselves? Let them buy the Patriots. Or about the crowd who want to buy s-400 is not quite true?
  32. tat_shurik
    tat_shurik 10 October 2017 13: 38 New
    0
    some kind of sur. Despite the fact that the advance has already been made ... Refuse, no one is holding
    1. Sharansky
      Sharansky 16 October 2017 20: 48 New
      0
      Nobody holds them. They do the opposite. Turkish stream.
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 16 October 2017 20: 50 New
        +6
        Quote: Sharansky
        They do the opposite. Turkish stream.

        Right And in the tomato war, the guys lost under 20 lard greens ...
        So true that
        Quote: Sharansky
        Nobody holds them

        This is a question if ...
        1. Sharansky
          Sharansky 16 October 2017 22: 26 New
          0
          Russia buys tomatoes $ 20 billion a year? You yourself are not funny? The Russian Federation has all food imports in all countries less than this figure. All imports from Turkey are approximately 20 lard. Of her food, 7%. How many of these 7% tomatoes count for yourself. Mathematician..
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          This is a question if ...

          The question is how much the flow pipe has already cost and how much the RF loses without it per year?
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 16 October 2017 22: 28 New
            +7
            It's funny from you. Who said the so-called did the "tomato war" deal exclusively with tomatoes? belay
            1. Sharansky
              Sharansky 16 October 2017 22: 33 New
              0
              I repeat once again. All Import from Turkey is about 20 Lard. Food from them is 7%. Let's tell where your figure came from.
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 16 October 2017 22: 48 New
                +7
                Quote: Sharansky
                All imports from Turkey are about 20 Lard

                Where does it come from?

                The source, of course, is so-so, but there is a link to RIA Novosti there. To search for you something on RIA is a humble servant, an extremely skew-witted site.
                Other, as you probably guessed - not tomatoes.
                Tourism, for example, and not only Russian.
                Here's a canvas, purely for seed wink
                1. Sharansky
                  Sharansky 16 October 2017 22: 50 New
                  0
                  someone seems to have increased forgetfulness
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  Right And in the tomato war, the guys lost under 20 lard greens ...

                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  Quote: Sharansky
                  All imports from Turkey are about 20 Lard
                  Where does it come from?

                  Tomatoes were purchased at about $ 200 million if that.
                  But even if you take this stretched figure of two lard. What is 2lard compared to cost, already swollen to the Turkish stream?
                  1. Golovan Jack
                    Golovan Jack 16 October 2017 23: 02 New
                    +6
                    Quote: Sharansky
                    Tomatoes were purchased at about $ 200 million if that

                    For armored on an armored train:
                    The embargo was not only about importing tomatoes.
                    The embargo concerned not only imports (the same tourism. Both ours and foreign, as an accompanying, say, phenomenon).
                    I didn’t write anywhere: "the embargo on the import of tomatoes into the Russian Federation led to the loss of $ 20 billion by Turkey." It was written:
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    in the tomato war, the guys lost under 20 lard greens

                    No more, no less.
                    And what you read but do not comprehend is not my sadness, this is your sadness request
                    Quote: Sharansky
                    The question is how much the flow pipe has already cost and how much the RF loses without it per year?

                    No idea. "Swollen" will not go anywhere, the "flow" will be, squeeze and squeeze.
                    To consider "losses" from an unfinished gas pipeline, mm-mmm ... somehow silly, IMHO.
                    And not about that, the discussion was conducted initially.
                    With what and let me take my leave hi
                    1. Sharansky
                      Sharansky 17 October 2017 00: 25 New
                      0
                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      "flow" will be squeezed and squeezed.

                      Here Erdogan and pressurizes. Either the plane will be knocked down, then the import of food itself will be banned, then the ships will not be able to enter their ports, who have visited the Crimea, or technologies from the S-400. Whenever it seems that they have already reached the bottom in an effort to humiliate themselves behind this stream, we are convinced of this.
                      1. Gransasso
                        Gransasso 17 October 2017 00: 33 New
                        0
                        Quote: Sharansky
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        "flow" will be squeezed and squeezed.

                        Here Erdogan and pressurizes. Either the plane will be knocked down, then the import of food itself will be banned, then the ships will not be able to enter their ports, who have visited the Crimea, or technologies from the S-400. Whenever it seems that they have already reached the bottom in an effort to humiliate themselves behind this stream, we are convinced of this.




                        Hello ... well, let's say they’ll finish the whole cup of humiliation to the bottom and the Turks will allow us to build this unfortunate pipe .. and what's next ?. Is Turkey going to buy this gas? ... who will build a gas pipeline from Turkey to Europe?
  33. tracer
    tracer 10 October 2017 14: 45 New
    +3
    Does Turkey play a double game? DON'T BE!
  34. Romey
    Romey 10 October 2017 15: 06 New
    0
    That has never happened before, but now again ... However, what is the foreign policy, such is the attitude of such “friends”.
  35. LAWNER
    LAWNER 10 October 2017 15: 27 New
    +1
    What kind of panic ???? There is a big bazaar in Istanbul. It seems to bargain. It will not find better and will return cheaper.
  36. jetfors_84
    jetfors_84 10 October 2017 15: 50 New
    0
    Oh, nah ... Give them a loan and even transfer technology. What are they smoking there?
  37. Andrew3000
    Andrew3000 10 October 2017 15: 52 New
    +2
    At the same time, it turned out that Turkey is interested in buying Patriot systems from the USA. This was reported by the newspaper "Daily Sabah", citing a source in the Turkish government.

    Interestingly, Turkey will require US Patriot technology ....
  38. Sergey Fomin
    Sergey Fomin 10 October 2017 16: 56 New
    +1
    Nothing, Putin’s back is strong, let the partners stick the knives, the work on the galleys is not easy, the main thing is that the people are good.
    We will once again elect him as president, let him further substitute his back.
  39. Zina389
    Zina389 10 October 2017 17: 46 New
    0
    The Turks are insolent. But it could not be otherwise. Everyone is trying to please them, pull them to their side. What kind of aircraft threaten them, is also not entirely clear. In general, they strive to take the position of a non-aligned regional power. We see the same behavior, for example, from India, only fewer screams and arrogance. But here, as they say, a national character. And that our army has already received enough S - 400?
  40. misti1973
    misti1973 10 October 2017 21: 03 New
    +1
    Ponyatnenko. Everyone is trying to wipe their feet on Russia! I won’t be surprised if Saudi Arabia starts to rock.
    1. Shahno
      Shahno 10 October 2017 21: 16 New
      +1
      Well, it’s just not necessary to equal Saudi Arabia with Tatarstan. And then there will be no disappointments.
  41. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 10 October 2017 21: 18 New
    +2
    There can be no technology transfer to the country. And what these chameleons squeal does not matter. It’s clear that if we don’t sell C-400 to them, then the best that they can buy is the old-time versions of the “Patriot”, which can only be shot down in a straight MiG-19 with a fair wind. With probability 0,5.
    So the Turks must not give a damn.
  42. Archon
    Archon 11 October 2017 05: 31 New
    0
    Turkey will not succeed. Because she has a sore spot - the Kurds. And, if anything, they will put pressure on this place. Or kick.
  43. volodia.semuhin1958
    volodia.semuhin1958 11 October 2017 10: 07 New
    +1
    I hope that our government understands that a good Turk is a Turk and a muzzle
  44. Dart
    Dart 11 October 2017 21: 39 New
    +2
    If you reject emotions, in the operator business there is a concept - a "floating client". He is constantly not satisfied with the signed contract, he swims, one year is served by one, the second year by the other, the next by the third, then again in a circle, etc. There are few of them, but they are. And they are not welcome in any company. There are even some lists of "non-serviced" (absolutely disloyal) customers in any situation. Here and Turkey should be included in such a list.
  45. Nemesis
    Nemesis 12 October 2017 01: 19 New
    +1
    So negotiate with those with whom Dudaev was supported in the Caucasus ....
  46. Alexdark
    Alexdark 12 October 2017 03: 19 New
    +2
    This is Turkey. And NATO has nothing to do with it. Turkey was like that before NATO. How many fought with them? Yeah, here! And now some imperial ambitions have appeared, a sense of past greatness. Although where? Bazaar country, "beach resort" zone, at the moment. Although, of course, now all sorts of people will come running here, well, these, "what level of life is that, huh?" Everyones will wave numbers, "from reliable sources." She's a mustache, I'll tell you. . I understand that everyone can at some point claim ambitions of some kind of hypertrophy, this is normal if there is a reason. He is not here. Is that a fart, but it's his personal fantasies. Osman unfinished.
  47. vik669
    vik669 12 October 2017 05: 18 New
    0
    Quote: Orakul2000
    . I honestly did not understand the logic of this agreement between Russia and Turkey at all

    We agreed to make an advance payment and "This never happened when it was born, and again the same thing" - don't give the S-400 technologies, we'll come to an agreement with "another country">. So passing in the back!
    1. dDYHA
      dDYHA 16 October 2017 09: 39 New
      0
      Agree with China. And it is about these systems.
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  49. aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 12 October 2017 05: 30 New
    +1
    Quote: Alf
    But what is the Communist Party program not suitable for?

    declarative program, Where will they get people and specialists? Chill them. Like trump
  50. ver_
    ver_ 12 October 2017 06: 14 New
    0
    Quote: the most important
    Quote: Wend
    Everyone is trying to sit on several chairs. Apparently the Russian ban is not enlightened.

    They spit, sneezed and farted at our bans. This is Turkey!! We will never be friends. They will always try to do disgust for Russia. The only way out can be only the partition of Turkey and the withdrawal of its disputed territories to its neighbors (Syria, Armenia, Greece, Bulgaria, the straits - Russia) and the creation of Kurdistan. And from Turkey there should remain a small territory, incapable of reviving the Ottoman Empire. The only way! the world is cruel: either we ... or us!

    ... twist Constantinople = Istanbul back up ... The Turks have become so wild since the 15th century ... that they became Turkey, and not the Ataman Empire ...