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How the T-90 tank became the best in the world

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How the T-90 tank became the best in the world



Twenty-five years ago, the T-90 tank was adopted. It turned out to be the most popular at the turn of the millennium. In fact, this a tank closed история tank design of the twentieth century and the history of the XXI century. And this is a merit of Russia.

The Indian military believed and believes that "by the effectiveness of the T-90C can be called the second after the nuclear weapons deterrence factor. "If we consider the confrontation factor of India, Pakistan and China, the statement is not without reason. Today T-90 is definitely better than all Chinese tanks and Birch T-XNUMUDUD, sold in its time by a separate Ukraine to the same independent Pakistan.

At the heart of the creation of the T-90 was India’s desire to strengthen its armored power. Negotiations on the creation of a Russian-designed tank adapted specifically for India began at the end of 1980, specific agreements were reached, and prepayment was made. The new tank was designed by a team of a special Uralvagonzavod design bureau, headed by Vladimir Potkin. In 1991, the car was almost ready. And then the USSR collapsed, and with it all the allied industrial cooperation, which ensured the uninterrupted functioning of the Soviet defense industry. The project managed to be completed only thanks to Vladimir Potkin - his design talent and organizational abilities.

It is not necessary to consider what was said above as something well-known. This is exactly what few know, alas.

In early October 1992, an exceptional event occurred. The new T-90 tank was adopted by the Russian (already) army and allowed to be sold abroad under the name of T-90С. Then our military long thought what to do with the letter "C". They came to the conclusion: to consider this letter a sign that the machine was serial and at the same time drill. Today, all military equipment with the letter "C" means serial-drill. And 25 years ago, the T-90C was an exclusively Indian tank.

Vladimir Potkin made a real feat. He saved the UVZ, proved that the national school of tank design is the best in the world, and designed a tank that turned out to be really the best in the world at that time. And India received a combat vehicle that surpassed all armored vehicles that its potential rivals had in terms of their strike power. In India, the T-90 tank is named Bhishma, which means “formidable” in Sanskrit. But by the Russian-Indian agreement, T-90C is also called "Vladimir" - in honor of Vladimir Potkin, who passed away in the 1999 year.

The T-90 is the deepest upgrade of the T-72, for some reason considered obsolete. Indeed, the French Leclerc, the German Leopard and the American Abrams are much more modern cars. They are saturated with electronics, televisions and thermal imagers, they have very large amounts of space, in which the crew is comfortable. They have a lot more.

And the T-90 crew is clamped in their seats, he sits on the shells, and no individual space. But what is the priority in combat? Armored car for a comfortable ride or a tank for combat and survival?

French AMX-56 Leclerc did not participate in the battles. Its mass production began in the 1992 year, simultaneously with the T-90. Shipped to United Arab Emirates. There he was positioned as a Rolls-Royce armored vehicle. The car is comfortable in all respects, but did not participate in the war. And according to reputable experts, they are absolutely not ready for modern combat.

The American Abrams defeated the Iraqi army’s armored vehicles, consisting of T-72. And if for the levers of those machines were not "apricots"? And let the Iraqi tankers not be offended. The Syrians have shown what even very old Soviet T-72 releases are capable of, if they are controlled by real masters.

Invulnerability shtatovskih "Abrams" was dispelled in Yemen, which included the army of Saudi Arabia. There Abrams tanks were burning like matches. It is not by chance that Riyadh has recently been paying ever closer attention to the T-90CM, the latest version of Vladimir Potkin’s tank.

And finally, the complete defeat of the "Leopards" in Syria. These tanks were generally considered invincible, like the "Royal Tigers". And then the army of Turkey entered the territory of Syria, not clearly controlled by anyone, with its newest modifications of Leopard tanks. Destruction was absolute - the towers are torn off, the hulls are torn apart.

At the same time, T-90 tanks of various modifications perfectly show their combat capabilities in Syria. And there is a moment. Indian T-90 Bhishma did not become the leaders of the tank biathlon, held in Alabino this summer. They lost to the T-72B3. But this speaks only of the individual training of Indian tank crews, and not of the quality of the T-90, which remain the best tanks in the world.

Now about the quality characteristics.

T-90 has the lowest silhouette among the main modern ones. He has a multi-layer anti-shell armor protection. Frontal multi-layered armor of the hull and turret is equivalent to more than half a meter of homogeneous armor. The overall resistance to shelling by sub-caliber shells is estimated to be equivalent to 850 mm of armor steel. That is, almost a meter. In addition to traditional armor and dynamic protection, the tank is equipped with an active protection system, which consists of the modern blind and shade electronic-optical suppression system.

The main armament of the T-90 is a smooth-bore 125-mm gun. When firing armor-piercing cumulative and sub-caliber ammunition, the maximum targeting range is 4000 m, guided missile ammunition - 5000 m, high-explosive fragmentation ammunition along the ballistic trajectory to 10 000 m. If on the Kursk Bulge the German "Tigers" hit the T-34 at a distance of 2000 meters, now the German "Leopard" will not be able to approach the T-90 even five kilometers.

The only thing T-90 loses is in the power plant. On the other hand, how to look at it. The T-90 tank, a standard for the Russian Armed Forces, has a hp 840 diesel engine installed. On all NATO tanks, engines of about 1500 HP So what? According to the criterion, the mass of the tank and its engine power Russian cars are not very much inferior to Western ones.

To sum up, the T-90C, which was created by Vladimir Potkin, completely surpassed all of its counterparts in NATO, not to mention China. And let the designers from the Middle Kingdom not take offense. As well as the British, Germans and Americans, who all profukali in tank construction of the twenty-first century.

But we have not yet fully implemented the really best in the world gas turbine T-80.
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  1. Cat
    Cat 14 October 2017 05: 59
    +6
    The article left a double impression!
    1. Cat
      Cat 14 October 2017 06: 24
      25
      I will try to justify my point of view
      As a native inhabitant of the mining Urals, I with all paws and tail behind the T-72 and its daughter T-90. "Tagil steers" and all that! But the "obvious sugaryness" of the article, the unfounded scattering of "compliments" by the content and essence spoils "like sugary jam"! It’s like your favorite “Zhiguli” will be called “Mercik”, but “Mercik” and “Six” are two different things. Although "your Lada" will always be loved, closer and dearer. Unfortunately, instead of facts and real examples, the respected author gave us "blah blah"! It’s sad.
      But in fact, for today’s T-90, it’s a “real combat vehicle” with one die-hard price-quality marker! This, and not the “amorphous serenades,” gave the T-90 export potential! I also have to say thank you to the Indians who, having signed a contract for the T-90, encouraged not only the T-90 itself, but also the plant, city, region, and most importantly the people who “make” these tanks! After all, if it were not for this contract, Nizhny Tagil and Russia as a whole could remain with nothing. For example, as Ukraine, which is closest to us, which, instead of organizing its armored production, sold the T-80UD combatant to Pakistan. The neighbors raped the money, but apparently they’ve already lost the opportunity to “earn more”.
      1. megavolt823
        megavolt823 14 October 2017 12: 00
        0
        I will try to justify my point of view soldier it is not true to consider an object that is conceived for tasks alone, but used under others. universality is the killer of an idea. medium tank, has a number of tasks that it must meet. a heavy tank has other tasks and capabilities. main tank, formulated as for all occasions. mistake . what matters is not design and similarity, but the essence of the subject and its purpose. no need to make a dog out of a cat. like a tiger to make a pet. refer to the story. there are answers there. for what and where? successful application? failures? you change your mind. or it will appear. hi
        1. megavolt823
          megavolt823 14 October 2017 12: 28
          +9
          The heavy tank as a concept is the 1915-1917 mark 1. medium and light tank is the beginning of 2 world. (shell) 2-3-4. medium tank is t34 and its changes. the issue of applying this technique. not the versatility of the design. here is success and failure. main tank, in the application of theory in the USSR. this (avalanche). not (wedge). It is not 3 units by city. this is the maximum units to capture territories. this is not a demonstration of the strength and ability of a particular unit (tank). this is a natural disaster. a kind of technique also played evil at the beginning of 1941. lack of spare parts, shells. It’s important not to sculpt a golden member. It is important to seek a middle ground and not to be confused with universality. hi
    2. Maz
      Maz 14 October 2017 15: 43
      +3
      I’m certainly not an expert, but this is some kind of mishmash, confusion and jumps in the stream of consciousness. Even the cadet of a military school on the exam knows more from his technical characteristics and someone else’s
      1. megavolt823
        megavolt823 17 October 2017 04: 37
        +1
        does it mean building up armor and bringing the mass to the weight of a heavy class is not a welter? do BMP, and then hang up with different and any confusion is not? take technically and morally dead tank, and try to attach it to the resurrection of Christ, is that normal too? following the example of Syria to remake on the knee T72 and others. so that at least for some time the tank performs its tasks. because there are no ideas about the technique for fighting in the city. but to write about a tank that has no advantage in a duel situation, not with a Frenchman, not a Jew, not a South Korean. not even able to detect first. to write that the T90 has a low silhouette, which means they will not fall on it, is not a welter? about morally obsolete BC, it makes no sense to write. everyone can see (tank biathlon) what distances and how often hit. 4000?
        1. megavolt823
          megavolt823 17 October 2017 05: 34
          +2
          T72 like all the main tanks of the USSR were not and did not come close to heavy. like dueling events so urban battles were not part of their concept. compare with (abrams) it makes no sense. you make a mistake at the beginning. price + opportunity = t72,90. The United States also did not do mass strands. but from the 80 years they changed the concept. you're trying to shove it not ......
  2. andrewkor
    andrewkor 14 October 2017 06: 19
    +4
    This Ptichkin did not know what he tweeted or crowed, even reluctant to comment. On the engine, well, on electronics-0, in general, the bullshit is complete !!
  3. Kars
    Kars 14 October 2017 07: 00
    +4
    Direct advertising article.
    And so t-90 was lucky that Pakistan bought from Ukraine t-80 ud. And in India, the USSR built a plant under t72.
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 14 October 2017 09: 17
      +4
      Quote: Kars
      Direct advertising article.
      And so t-90 was lucky that Pakistan bought from Ukraine t-80 ud. And in India, the USSR built a plant under t72.

      Well, the author has his own vision. I just would like to understand what “latest versions” of the Leopards were discussed, and how many “Abrams” burned “like matches” in Yemen. And also did the crew members leave the wrecked cars before the explosion.
      1. poquello
        poquello 14 October 2017 12: 12
        +4
        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        Quote: Kars
        Direct advertising article.
        And so t-90 was lucky that Pakistan bought from Ukraine t-80 ud. And in India, the USSR built a plant under t72.

        Well, the author has his own vision. I just would like to understand what “latest versions” of the Leopards were discussed, and how many “Abrams” burned “like matches” in Yemen. And also did the crew members leave the wrecked cars before the explosion.

        take it easy, leopards are not the latest, matches are not in Yemen (although I don’t know about Yemen)

      2. venik
        venik 14 October 2017 13: 32
        +6
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        Well, the author has his own vision. I just would like to understand what “latest versions” of the Leopards were discussed, and how many “Abrams” burned “like matches” in Yemen. And also did the crew members leave the wrecked cars before the explosion.

        =======
        Yes, you are, in principle, absolutely right !!! As for the Turkish “Lyopiks” in Syria - only 4 pieces were “killed” there (and even A4 modifications (!!!), and before the “Abrashi” - THERE were NOT ALL “burning” ..... “Carrots” " - ALSO!!!
        WELL NO "invulnerable tanks" ... Like NO "invulnerable" planes, helicopters, infantry fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers, and poking and poking and poking .....
        NO, IT WASN'T, AND WILL NEVER BE .... Amen !!!
        ------
        Question - ONE: "HOW MUCH is it hard to hit TECHNOLOGY ????"
        - BEST - THOSE WHICH DIFFICULT TO KILL !!! (And there is also a criterion of "cost / effectiveness" .........) ......
        1. Okolotochny
          Okolotochny 15 October 2017 11: 03
          +9
          I would also add the skill of the crew of the car and the adequacy of command. You can recall the footage of Grozny in 1994. When stupid people decided to enter the columns of armored vehicles in residential areas.
        2. Bad_gr
          Bad_gr 15 October 2017 12: 22
          +5
          Someone give a link to the video where Leo or Abrams leave the battlefield on their own, after getting into them ATGM.
          With 72-koy such videos are full.
      3. SMP
        SMP 17 October 2017 14: 35
        +1
        and how many “Abrams” burned “like matches” in Yemen.




        Who admits his losses? The Hussites decently burned the technology of the Saudis.
    2. venik
      venik 14 October 2017 10: 02
      +5
      Quote: Kars
      And so t-90 was lucky that Pakistan bought from Ukraine t-80 ud. And in India, the USSR built a plant under t72.

      ==========
      In fact, Packs originally wanted to buy the T-90 !!! BUT! Here the Indians got up to it, began to threaten to break up promising arms deals with the Russian Federation ... Russia refused the contract. The Pakistanis turned and turned and chose the so-called T-82 (the same T-80ud) .... By the way, some components for them (the first batch, by the way, was nothing more than repaired and a little "upgraded" T-80UD from long-term storage facilities (!), Without much noise were delivered to Malyshev zd from Russia (as they were not produced in / Ukraine) !!
      1. Kars
        Kars 14 October 2017 10: 59
        +1
        In fact, you should study the chronology. The 90 went to India for tests after the conclusion of the contract by Pakistan.
        1. poquello
          poquello 14 October 2017 12: 00
          +2

          But what about hrenology?
          Negotiations on the creation of a tank of Russian design, adapted specifically for India, began in the late 1980s, concrete agreements were reached, prepayment was made.
        2. venik
          venik 14 October 2017 13: 35
          +1
          Quote: Kars
          In fact, you should study the chronology. The 90 went to India for tests after the conclusion of the contract by Pakistan.

          ========
          History should be studied, AS YOU, Dear !!! Unlike you, I know "a little more" about "her" (in the sense of the T-82 deal) than it WAS PUBLISHED in the "open press" .... So it turned out .....
          1. Kars
            Kars 15 October 2017 00: 48
            +2
            Here it is yes, I don’t have secret information about t-82. But t-90 came to India to test after concluding a contract with Pakistan, it’s a fact. Like the contract with India for 90x deliveries too.
      2. Stas157
        Stas157 15 October 2017 14: 52
        +3
        Quote: venik

        In fact, Packs originally wanted to buy the T-90 !!! BUT! Here the Indians got up to it, began to threaten to break up promising arms deals with the Russian Federation ... Russia refused the contract.
        That is, it turns out that in fact the Ukrainians were lucky that Russia did not sell the T-90 to Pakistan.
  4. Magic archer
    Magic archer 14 October 2017 09: 20
    0
    Hooray hooray ... That's the whole point of the article! T-90 is a great car! But ... It's time to move forward! It's not time to rest on our laurels!
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  6. Iskander
    Iskander 14 October 2017 09: 31
    +6
    articles are written quickly .... superficially ... cheers patriotically .... but still there are no numbers, operating costs, the cost of shots, the cost of training crews, the ease of repair and frequency of it, the resource of engines, etc. etc. cost-effectiveness of the comparative purchase of all the leading samples, and the queen of infographics: a summary table of all conceivable and inconceivable characteristics. By the way, the work would have facilitated the lobbyists of Russian tanks ... more professionalism !! (more socialism, let’s leave Yeltsin!)))))
  7. Golovan Jack
    Golovan Jack 14 October 2017 09: 34
    +8
    T-90 is quite a normal car. In skillful (attention!) Hands.
    About that and the article.
    IMHO, yes ...
    1. san4es
      san4es 14 October 2017 10: 17
      +5
      Quote: Golovan Jack
      T-90 is quite a normal car. In skillful (attention!) Hands.
      About that and the article.
      IMHO, yes ...

      soldier
      1. Cherry Nine
        Cherry Nine 14 October 2017 11: 51
        +1
        Excuse me, but do you recognize the opinion of “Americans” from TV programs for elementary school students?
        1. san4es
          san4es 14 October 2017 14: 12
          +3
          Quote: Cherry Nine
          Excuse me, but do you recognize the opinion of “Americans” from TV programs for elementary school students?

          ...I do not care bully
      2. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 14 October 2017 15: 42
        +6
        Fuck me on the Americans? I can with arguments, only here so far, I see nothing but advertising ... I’m blind, yeah yes
        1. Cherry Nine
          Cherry Nine 14 October 2017 16: 15
          0
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          I can with arguments

          I doubt it very much. It is almost impossible to find a normal discussion on this topic.
          The "normal discussion" is as follows:
          T-72 - M60. What did not suit there, what did not suit here. Where we went further where we went further here. Why such decisions were there, why such decisions were here. And so all the way to the T-90AM / M1A2 SEP V3
  8. venik
    venik 14 October 2017 09: 46
    +3
    URRRYAYAA !!!!! And somewhere in the field of ballet .......
    Well, the author and scribbled ...... Everything is just "super-duper and ur-r-rya !!!
    No, the fact that the T-90 (as well as its modifications) is ONE of the BEST MBT in the world - there is simply no doubt !! And by the criterion - "efficiency / cost" UNCERTAINLY does not have EQUAL !! That’s why the SALE !!
    BUT!!! In fact, after reading the article, one gets the feeling that:
    a) The author is not just a "patriot" but P-A-T-R-I-O-O-O-TTT !!!! (though a certain excessive share of "patriotism", sorry, replaced the equivalent part of common sense);
    b) That the author understands armored vehicles even less than your humble servant in genetics (and I DO NOT understand a damn thing at all!).
    So that there would be an opportunity to put the article HUGE "---" (moreover - BOLD !!)
  9. Zounds
    Zounds 14 October 2017 09: 51
    +1
    Good day to all. If I’m not mistaken, the T-90’s full ammunition capacity is 40 rounds, 28 of which are in the automatic loader (AZ). In this case, the maximum rate of fire, which is achieved when using AZ, is usually given. Tell me, if anyone knows what the average rate of fire of the T-90 will be, if you try to shoot the entire ammunition for a while? Condition: do not take into account statements like: "in a real combat situation, 28 shots are enough" or "no one will shoot from the tank 40 times in a row for the duration of the battle."
    1. Lars971a
      Lars971a 14 October 2017 21: 13
      +2
      On the T-90 there is an AZ which includes 22 shots, the rest of the shots are stacked in the tower and the hull, this is in the MH 28 shots
    2. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 15 October 2017 12: 30
      +3
      Quote: Zounds
      In this case, the maximum rate of fire, which is achieved when using AZ, is usually given.

      If I’m not mistaken, then Merkava has only 10 ammunition in the first stage ammunition that the loader can quickly deliver to the cannon, and everything else is located in containers.
      Will we criticize?
  10. _Ugene_
    _Ugene_ 14 October 2017 10: 44
    +1
    T-90 is a good tank of today (but not tomorrow, the potential for modernization is not endless). In terms of efficiency / cost ratio, perhaps the best in the world today. But the claim that he is generally the best in the world is certainly empty talk.
    Still, a modern KAZ would have been delivered to it from ATGMs, there would have been no price for it.
  11. Curious
    Curious 14 October 2017 14: 17
    +5
    "How did the T-90 become the best in the world?" He was declared as such by the experts of the authoritative resource Vestnik Mordovii and the Zvezda television channel.
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  13. MOLODCHIK
    MOLODCHIK 14 October 2017 17: 55
    +3
    our gun will break through 2 t90 .... the main problem of the Russian armored forces .... that's all. and electronics, and optics, and software ... and the quality of guns. we have tankers competing among themselves who gets into the basketball ball from 3.5 kilometers. at this unlucky biathlon, they miss the target 1.5 to 1.5 meters .... from 1, 1.5 kilometers))))
    1. chenia
      chenia 14 October 2017 19: 06
      11
      Quote: MOLODCHIK
      and the quality of the guns. we have tankers competing among themselves who gets into the basketball ball from 3.5 kilometers. at this unfortunate biathlon


      Yes, you sho!
      Discovery Channel - shooting from the Challenger (not your Leclerc - but the same brothers in mind). Shooting in the safe 1,5x0,6 m (5 pounds put there) 1100 m ..
      2 practical shots - by, the third combat hit. With calculators and rangefinders.
      And most likely it was noted on the second (it was very close (in front) with a goal), the first flew away and was not captured for correction.
      And most importantly, 4 (four shells) were stocked! We knew your level british professional tankers.

      And you're talking about a hockey puck. the French.
    2. Vlad.by
      Vlad.by 14 October 2017 19: 21
      11
      So we would come to biathlon, on our own mercenaries, and teach our lapotniks how to fight in tanks. Or scared to disgrace?
      The gun they have already 2 T90 sews ....
      First you find it, preferably 5 km. And then get to the range of the direct shot. And then we'll see who sews to whom and what
  14. Doliva63
    Doliva63 14 October 2017 18: 55
    +6
    Yes, a normal car for its tasks.
    I want to remind tank comparators that we hell knows where their tanks initially had different tasks. I don’t know how it is with them, but with us the BUSW is the same as it was with me, that is, almost 30 years ago.
    Why the hell to compare?
  15. senima56
    senima56 14 October 2017 19: 12
    +1
    Everything is clear - T 90 is the best tank in the world! It is not clear why it is practically absent in our tank units? Why are we selling the "best tank in the world" to anyone, but we are not arming ourselves with it?
    1. Iskander
      Iskander 14 October 2017 19: 57
      +1
      ))), under the USSR, it was not possible to build fences in summer cottages, and you could only be rich undercover ... a piece of moldy sausage from a special distributor for the local elite is not an offshore for the present! many good weapons will never be! there will be a lot of chewing gums, vulgar jeeps with unnecessary motor power and any garbage from a society of thoughtlessly imposed consumption ... get used to it.
      Russian weapons sell well, but you can and should sell even more !!
    2. Mixa 2106
      Mixa 2106 11 July 2018 13: 51
      0
      A military secret
  16. yoyo1984
    yoyo1984 14 October 2017 21: 36
    +1
    And then the Turkish army entered the territory of Syria, it is not clear who controlled it, with its the latest modifications to the Leopard tanks. The destruction was absolute - the towers were torn off, the hulls were torn. - Seriously?))) Leopard 2A4 - originally from the 80s)))
  17. WapentakeLokki
    WapentakeLokki 14 October 2017 21: 44
    +5
    Quote A T-90 crew clamped in their places, he sits on shells, and no individual space. But what is the priority in battle? An armored car for a comfortable ride or a tank for battle and survival?
    In all Soviet technology, the foregoing was put at the forefront (the science of ergonomics in the USSR was similar to cybernetics, i.e. pseudoscience and the comforts of the crew were put in last place) .But after all, the trouble is not often (some samples of military equipment did not participate in battles never thank God) but he serves on such coffins every day and all the time (and the contract identity himself). And you smart guy sit in cramped space for a couple of hours and a day and without air conditioning or stove (and we consider this a luxury aha). And it was not only in the tanks that I read that for our strategists Tu-95, for example, latrine is not provided at all (and still, by the way, when flying for 12-15 hours aha) and by the way, the air in the cabin is dry and it’s tearing at the throat and it carries hydraulic oils that ayayai. But this is so by the way. But our illustrious T-90 as a mid-sized tank (and this is by the standards of the West) has still not shown itself particularly (yes, the Uryuki fought on the T-72 line, but 'Kalash', for some reason they are Vasya-Vasya, and here, well, no matter how (it may still be the case at the conservatory yeah) .And praises itself as `` Invincible and legendary '', well, you know how it turned into 41 (by the way, our favorite fake jump on a tank through ... it was also popular before the Second World War, they jumped there BT-7 and they burned by the way at 41 yeah, yes, almost all of them burned down that summer). So, don’t have many words, let’s say things are better for our technology,
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 14 October 2017 23: 43
      10
      Quote: WapentakeLokki
      And you wise guy sit in a tight place for a couple of hours and a day and without air conditioning or stove ...

      Well, maybe they were sitting. And not just sat, but fought training, in laughing
      And in winter and summer. And in the winter they also slept on the transmission, wrapping themselves in a tarp. Because the company was a fan of "trips for survival", that is, without stoves and tents ... he had such a joke.
      Nitsche, everyone is alive by the end ...
    2. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 15 October 2017 12: 50
      +6
      Quote: WapentakeLokki
      And you wise guy sit in a tight place for a couple of hours and a day and without kondishki or stove (and we consider it a luxury yeah)

      Are you a tankman yourself? or purely theorist?
      For 2 years I skated behind the arms of the T-62 (Hungary). At increased (motor resource) consumption. I did not notice any comfort problems. In the sun, the armor warms up for a long time, and at night it cools down for a long time. There is a fan in front of each crew member, which is enough in the heat. For recreation, the place in the T-62 (unlike Abrams and Leopard) is enough to sleep the entire crew stretched out in the fighting compartment to its full height.
    3. GUKTU76
      GUKTU76 16 October 2017 12: 58
      +3
      It’s bad when knowledge is superficial. As for ergonomics. I recommend the memoirs of VG Grabin "Weapons of victory." You will learn how much attention was paid to ergonomics when designing artillery pieces before the war. I believe that much attention was also paid to ergonomics in the tank. At least in 62-ke and 72-ke, and in the place of the commander, and in the place of the gunner I felt quite comfortable. Everything you need is at hand and before your eyes. The only place I did not like was the place of the loader. Especially when shooting regular. They got rid of this place.
    4. Dart
      Dart 16 October 2017 19: 14
      0
      Noble vyser. wassat
      "..What kind of a tanker are you!" laughing
  18. Sergeant71
    Sergeant71 15 October 2017 01: 05
    +5
    The author is better not to write anymore.
  19. wow
    wow 15 October 2017 09: 23
    +2
    The machine is very strong, especially in skilled hands.
  20. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 15 October 2017 10: 26
    +4
    "And the T-90 crew is clamped in their places, he sits on shells, and no individual space.
    But what is priority in battle "///

    He sits on shells and charges, and at least a small part penetrates
    a cumulative jet inward, charges detonate, and the crew instantly dies.
    Therefore, they created Armata so that this does not happen.
  21. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 15 October 2017 10: 32
    +5
    "There Abrams tanks burned like matches" ////

    Crazy baskets with shells burned where they aimed from the sides
    partisans. Knocking-flame-spectacular. But the tank crews survived, as did
    was provided by designers.
    1. Soho
      Soho 17 October 2017 05: 23
      +4
      voyaka uh October 15, 2017 10:32
      "There Abrams tanks burned like matches" ////
      Crazy baskets with shells burned where they aimed from the sides
      partisans. Knocking-flame-spectacular. But the tank crews survived, as did
      was provided by designers.

      if there were ammunition in the Abrams BC, then no armored lines, knockout panels, etc. stray would help. No need to relay this hackneyed assumption again hi
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  23. urman
    urman 15 October 2017 13: 41
    +1
    But what is the priority in battle? An armored car for a comfortable ride or a tank for battle and survival? .....................
    Yes, damn it at T 34. We got all these cats into manual animals taught. And I’ve ripped a pony like a hot-water bottle !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    1. Gransasso
      Gransasso 15 October 2017 13: 47
      +3
      Quote: urman
      But what is the priority in battle? An armored car for a comfortable ride or a tank for battle and survival? ........



      But what .. comfortable conditions in the tank, normal ergonomics, etc., somehow interfere with survival in battle? ... or vice versa .. increase it ...
      1. WapentakeLokki
        WapentakeLokki 15 October 2017 16: 55
        +4
        In fact, even the mattress covers (and then the Israelis) conducted research and found that in more comfortable conditions the crews get tired less and are accordingly able to fight with MAX for longer and concentrate (pay for all MIN comfort and ergonomics). another way, the soldier must endure the hardships and hardships of military service '' (by the way, those who are far from the front line of the army love this reason). By the way, the experience of war in the Pacific Ocean once again confirmed the conclusions of mattresses who put great effort into equipping their bases on islands and atolls, on the contrary, neglecting japas (like in the Red Army there were opinions of a samurai that is resistant and invincible, and ... his base without malaria will be smoked aha)
        Alas, the experience of non-combat losses is white on the side of the Shtatovtsy (although I’m not them.
        1. Gransasso
          Gransasso 15 October 2017 19: 10
          +3
          All these extreme lovers and neglect of basic things ... should get into their car .. turn off the condo and tightly close the windows / doors ... so 30 degrees in the shade ... at least hold out there for a couple of hours and then tell us about how to endure hardships of service ...
        2. GUKTU76
          GUKTU76 16 October 2017 12: 43
          +2
          In general, it is better to be healthy and wealthy than poor and sick.
          Not always and not everyone succeeds. Therefore, you have to compromise and choose for the same money whether to release one Armata, three T-90s or upgrade 10 T-72s.
          Likewise, comparing Japan with the United States is completely incorrect. The United States spent $ 341 billion on the war, and Japan $ 56 billion. Probably not because it didn’t want to, but because it didn’t have any opportunity for this. As for the American experience of war in the Pacific, it is enough to evaluate the operations to free the islands of Attu and Kyska. Including non-combat losses.
  24. GSPDJGneva
    GSPDJGneva 16 October 2017 03: 51
    +7
    Come on, the best) But what about the T34?
    In general, here is a picture especially for lovers of antiquity and obsolete
    1. GUKTU76
      GUKTU76 16 October 2017 12: 46
      +2
      Probably wanted to seem witty.
      Alas! Did not work out.
  25. Kenxnumx
    Kenxnumx 16 October 2017 06: 41
    0
    Very simply, he is the best tank in the world in Russia, according to the Russian press.
  26. Fitter65
    Fitter65 16 October 2017 11: 59
    +1
    The total resistance to shelling with submunitions is estimated to be equivalent to 850 mm of armor steel. That is, almost a meter.

    Here’s 995mm — almost a meter, and 850mm is MORE THAN half a meter. This is if you use rural measures like — almost like that, well, sort of. And 850mm is 850mm. And it turns out like in 1981 when the farmers reported to “dear Leonid Ilyich "-There is a billionth pound of bread !!!! Although it has always been previously measured in centners.
    1. IL-18
      IL-18 16 October 2017 20: 23
      +4
      Billion pood was in 1978.
      1. Fitter65
        Fitter65 17 October 2017 00: 45
        0
        Beyond the distant times, the exact date of that epoch-making event was a bit forgotten.
  27. viktorch
    viktorch 17 October 2017 17: 17
    +1
    T72 a little modernized, military power for all the money, but do not forget that the tank is cheap, in order to do something on it on the modern battlefield, you need to try very hard, but the Papuans drive the very thing, well, or barmaley with outdated ptos, although even with obsolete technical problems at t90 mass.
  28. silver_roman
    silver_roman 20 October 2017 14: 07
    +1
    According to the criterion, the mass of the tank and its engine power are not very good for Russian cars and Western cars.

    This is called specific power and is equal to the number of horsepower per tonne of mass.
    the effectiveness of the tank as well as its quality cannot be evaluated by how the machines showed themselves in various hot spots. Everyone knows that the Arabs are not worthless fighters. And the fact that the Abrams are burning in Yemen does not mean that the Abrams is bad, as the complete defeat of the Iraqi T-72 does not mean the quality of the T-72.
  29. Wolka
    Wolka 27 January 2018 19: 04
    0
    domestic tanks are all cheap and cheerful, but they are capable of solving combat missions at minimum cost, as efficiently as possible and this is important ...
  30. 1970mk
    1970mk 19 May 2018 21: 30
    0
    Fantastic One! "Merit of Russia"! About the USSR - the Soviet people, and this is not at all the People that are now, NOT A WORD!