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Will we get out of the "demographic hole"?

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For some reason, so far we have programs for supporting young families in the regions being developed in isolation from employment, the results of economic transformations are in no way attributed to fertility. But these things are directly interrelated ...


Will we get out of the "demographic hole"?


Meanwhile, as the director of the Center for Strategic Studies, Mikhail Bocharov, believes, the population decline is directly related to the economic decline. Over the years of reform, the number of people employed in the real manufacturing sector has decreased by more than 17 million. 80 thousands of enterprises closed.

It is clear that the family of young unemployed will first of all think not about how many children to have, but about the elementary survival.

But there is another problem: the work does not guarantee the wealth needed by the family. Millions of working Russians can not get out of poverty.

According to the Center for Social and Political Monitoring of the RANEPA, more than half (55 percent) of the population receive a salary below 25 thousand rubles, every third earns less than 15 thousand per month, and about 7 million people have only the minimum wage, making 7,5 thousand per month.

The rest are paid more, but not by much: their income level is still below the subsistence minimum. Deputy Prime Minister Olga Golodets called this situation unique, linking it with the poverty of a working person.

And although the figures cited by the Deputy Prime Minister are somewhat at odds with the data of the RANEPA, everything suggests that the overall situation with the standard of living of Russian families remains alarming.

According to HSE estimates, by May 2017, incomes of the active population of childbearing age were falling 31 for a month in a row. In other words, for almost three years the standard of living of Russian families has steadily declined. As a result, the Russians were depleted by 20 percent. The fall of the income of the common people is also noted by the scientists of the RANEPA.

If only it was not worse?

Worldwide, the standard of living has been learned to raise, stimulating economic growth and labor productivity. Then business flourishes, and employees honestly raise wages. We, fearing rising inflation, are engaged in the eradication of poverty on paper.

Some officials argue this way: let nothing grow, if only it were not worse. Hole in the budget we will cover additional charges. We will throw all forces on the alignment of the minimum wage and the subsistence minimum. If the minimum salary reaches the cherished 11 thousand rubles, then Rosstat will no longer have to report on the millions of poor Russians.

The point is not that due to the directive increase in the minimum wage, someone will have to curtail their activities or pay salaries in envelopes. Although this can not be ignored. It is unlikely that citizens who receive even 11 thousand rubles will no longer consider themselves beggars.

A formal increase in the minimum wage to the level of the subsistence minimum of an able-bodied person, although to some extent helps to alleviate the situation, but does not correct it. And to fix it, it will be necessary to raise not only the minimum wage, but also the size of social benefits.

Disaster areas

There is such an indicator as subjective poverty. According to the same Rosstat, in the first quarter of 21,3, the percentage of Russian households reported that they only have enough money for food, or even not enough for it.

It's one thing when thousands are offered to live on a 11 for a lonely person, and quite another when the beggarly budget is prescribed to a single mother. Even by the most stringent measures taken in the state, the subsistence minimum for a lonely person with a child is 20 457 rubles (about a third of employees receive salaries less than this level).

For a complete family with one child, you need at least 31 158 rubles in order not to die of hunger. So it turns out: the more children in the family, the greater the lack of income. Miserable child benefits, of course, are not able to solve this problem.

The average statistics for Russia, as noted by the head of the department of international capital markets at the Institute of World Economy and International Relations of the Russian Academy of Sciences, Jacob Mirkin, only retouches sharp corners and does not show the whole picture.

With a relatively high standard of living in the capitals, the scientist counted in the country from 15 to 20 these “disaster zones”. This is a huge territory, more than many countries.
For example, in the Republic of Tyva the gross regional product per capita is 66 percent lower than the average for Russia - 2460 dollars per year per person.

According to the observations of another well-known scientist, Deputy Director of the Institute of World Economy and International Relations Evgeny Gontmakher, our poor have changed consumer behavior, began to save in stores. It seems, and not such a big drop in income, as he says, but people have a feeling that it will not be better. They buy less from what they would like to buy, and choose cheaper products from those they bought earlier.

Where more give birth

Costs are reduced - and the population is declining. For the fourth consecutive year, the birth rate falls in almost all regions of Russia. If Rosstat recorded 2014 million newborns in 1,942, then less than 2015 million in 1,940, and less than last year - 1,888 million percent less than the same period last year. And this despite the fact that the number of abortions has decreased.

At the same time, the birth rate decreases (the number of people born on 1000). Today it is at the level of 11,4, while the year before it was about 12,8.

The demographic surge is observed only in the Chukotka Autonomous Region: in June 2017, almost a third of the inhabitants were born there more than a year earlier. But even such record figures can not cover the reduction (by more than 107 thousands) of the number of newborns in the rest of the country.

If in Chechnya, the birth rate falls by only a few percent, then in the absolute majority of regions, the fall is measured in double digits. And while the statistics do not even hint at the restoration of the population.

“The process of reducing the absolute number of births” is recognized by the Ministry of Labor and is associated with the “demographic hole” of 1993 – 2006. Because, they say, the current generation of potential parents did not ask. And nothing can be done about it, in the coming years we are doomed to a reduction in population.

Indeed, from 1987 to 1993, the number of births has almost halved, and now women and men of that time have entered the child-bearing age.

But it is impossible to dump all the problems in one pit, even if it is demographic! Losing a job is not easy to feed their families. And in order to raise the industry, we do not have machines. But even if we had bought them, neither turners nor millers would be enough. It is impossible to prepare a million specialists in a year or two, as well as drastically increase energy capacities, and they are at our limit. We do not produce powerful generators, on delivery of which Siemens recently “caught”.

Fees and fees

People working in the oil industry or in gas fields do not complain about life. But you cannot write down everyone in the oil industry, and not everybody in the shift workers. Where do people who want to have children work if every tenth plant in Russia, as stated in the August industry review of the Center for Market Studies of the Higher School of Economics, is on the verge of bankruptcy? Enterprises produce less, overgrow with debts, reduce workers.

The share of absolutely prosperous industrial companies with a stable financial position, which development and modernization can afford, remains, according to HSE scientists, no more than 12 – 14 percent. These are the lucky ones who have not been abandoned by the state. They receive bonuses in the form of direct budget and project financing, access to government orders, foreign economic activity, and other preferences are prepared.

But what is characteristic is that among the leaders there are practically no high-tech industries (except for chemical production and individual MIC plants). Even in the key sector of the Russian non-cattle breeding sector, say the HSE scientists, outdated technologies dominate, equipment wear exceeds 55 percent. And if we take as a whole, then a third of all the capacities of the extractive industry are completely worn out according to the existing standards.

A business that gives Russians a job still lives according to the rule: to squeeze all that is possible out of the production he has got, and there is no need to grow grass there.

Nothing but condemnation such an approach does not cause, but business people can understand. Yes, formally taxes do not rise, but business fees are rising. After the transition to the cadastral valuation of land and real estate objects, rental rates increased, a significant part of the tax benefits (primarily for property taxes) were abolished, and tax administration was tightened.

All this has led to the fact that in the fall of profits in the economy as a whole, the FTS reports on an unprecedented increase in fees to the budget. You say, what does this have to do with demographics? The most immediate. Yes, if tax charges are rising, then there will be money for poverty benefits. Today. And tomorrow?..

Forcing factory owners to save on equipment, technology, wages, the state condemns millions of people to a beggarly existence, the business goes into the shadows.

But no matter how difficult it is, and no matter how far-reaching conclusions economists today make, fashionable, sociology and statistics fix improvements in the social health of Russian society. This is indicated not only by opinion polls, but also by very concrete facts: the level of serious crimes, suicides and alcohol consumption falls in the country.

More optimism, gentlemen!

Contrary to gloomy forecasts, the deterioration of the socio-economic situation did not lead to changes for the worse. It must be admitted that all this is undoubtedly a consequence of state policy: from tightening the rules for selling alcohol to law enforcement reform.

He made his contribution and technological breakthrough: there was a completely new layer of activities and entertainment for social groups that are traditionally at risk. Young people began to spend less time on the street for illegal and dangerous activities, but more and more sit on the Internet (although there is not all right) or playing computer toys.

But it must be admitted that it was precisely Russian society, with all its seeming pessimism, that became the main source by which the country was able to overcome the national catastrophe of the nineties and begin a large-scale social transformation.

But little optimism alone. Sane economists advise to move to a mobilization-type economy, as did US President Franklin Roosevelt at one time, introduce progressive taxation, increase taxes for the rich and the super-rich, exempting those who work for pennies from income tax.

It is also necessary to minimize taxes and fees for companies in the real sector, to reduce significantly the rates for transport, electricity, gas and fuel. Completely exempt farmers from taxes, cruelly punish corrupt officials and prevent them from escaping abroad.

To this can be added the increase of the ruble exchange rate to 20 – 25 per dollar, restoring order at customs, prohibiting the use of offshore to officials, companies with state participation and owners of enterprises acquired at mortgage auctions. As well as granting the right to extract oil and gas on a competitive basis, with a fixed fee per unit produced, which will bring the treasury 13 – 16 trillion rubles.

The economy will improve, the labor market will revive, the population will increase, life expectancy will increase ...

But such logic does not seem to suit anyone. They only have one thing in mind: do not change anything. Do not let go of money into the economy, cut expenses, cut benefits and privileges. And you can explain to people about pensions: there is no money, but you hold on ...
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  1. Stas157
    Stas157 10 October 2017 15: 27 New
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    Having tried the experience of socialism and capitalism, we can confidently assert that under capitalism, the development of the Russian economy leaves much to be desired. The miserable 1-2 percent of GDP growth leaves no chance for Russia to catch up and overtake the Western countries and China. The rushing Russian elite receives excess income, while 30 million citizens of the country are below the poverty line. In the future, in the face of acute social inequality, I see no prospects at all for global breakthroughs in the economy and in scientific and technological progress. In my opinion, Russia has only one way - a return to collectivist socialist forms of management. Socialist Russia at one time showed what a giant leap its economy is capable of. In the 20 pre-war years, she turned the agrarian country into an advanced industrial superpower. And this is in conditions of complete isolation, and not the soft sanctions that are now.
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    2. Kenxnumx
      Kenxnumx 10 October 2017 20: 17 New
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      Socialism has already shown its complete wretchedness and hopelessness. Even his ability to jerk does not save in the long run. Lack of interest in profit kills labor productivity.
      1. Glory1974
        Glory1974 10 October 2017 22: 26 New
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        Socialism has already shown its complete wretchedness and hopelessness.

        and in Sweden they don’t think so. They have developed capitalism to such an extent that it has become socialism.
        1. Kenxnumx
          Kenxnumx 11 October 2017 06: 44 New
          +8
          In Sweden, capitalism with a highly developed social system so do not flatter yourself. Socialism of the USSR model died in view of its non-competitiveness.
          1. Alex66
            Alex66 11 October 2017 08: 50 New
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            Socialism did not die, it was removed as a dangerous competitor
            1. Kenxnumx
              Kenxnumx 11 October 2017 09: 04 New
              +3
              He died himself. Having pulled along the USSR.
              1. Alikos
                Alikos 11 October 2017 19: 35 New
                +3
                Quote: Ken71
                He died himself. Having pulled along the USSR.

                Not without the help of your brothers ...
              2. IS-80_RVGK2
                IS-80_RVGK2 16 November 2017 13: 12 New
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                Quote: Ken71
                He died himself.

                Is the Great Patriotic War and the Cold War itself too?
          2. already a Muscovite
            already a Muscovite 12 October 2017 01: 17 New
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            Quote: Ken71
            type of non-competitiveness

            Come on..?? This is Gorbachev and Yeltsin, altruists are bad… the USSR was so competitive !!! It was possible for example to sell Poland !!!! Both land and people !!! Just at the helm were débils and traitors ...
        2. Anglorussian
          Anglorussian 11 October 2017 21: 53 New
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          Western European socialisms (Sweden, Britain) are corrupting society from within. This can be clearly seen, although so far an ample margin of safety and inertia save. And also cause stagnation of the economy.
          1. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 16 November 2017 13: 02 New
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            Quote: Anglorussian
            West European Socialisms

            This is not socialism, but social populism under completely capitalism. Which any social initiatives smoothly multiplies by zero, if they are not profitable to him. Type of solution to the demographic problem.
      2. 24rus
        24rus 11 October 2017 05: 29 New
        +3
        Interest in profits is fraught with a strong decline in quality
        1. Kenxnumx
          Kenxnumx 11 October 2017 06: 45 New
          +4
          Disinterest in profit reduces the requirements for goods and quality, which was shown by the industry of the USSR.
          1. Alex66
            Alex66 11 October 2017 16: 27 New
            +4
            Quality in the USSR was guaranteed by GOSTs and their violation was prosecuted by law. And profit just stimulates to reduce quality. The customer wants 95% cheaper (and how to do it cheaply and efficiently, so we put thinner hardware, Turkish fittings), they ask for quality once a month, or even less often. Now all the fakes are littered.
            1. gladcu2
              gladcu2 11 October 2017 22: 58 New
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              Alex66
              Under socialism, there is no profit. Since there is no surplus value. Under socialism, there are no goods; there are products of production. Under socialism, trade is not because there are NO GOODS. A product is a product of production plus ADDITIONAL VALUE.

              Under socialism, there is no money; there are bank tickets through which the distribution of products of production.

              Under socialism, there can be no systemic crisis. Since there is no surplus value.

              Capitalism always leads society to regression.
      3. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 11 October 2017 08: 18 New
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        Quote: Ken71
        Socialism has already shown its complete wretchedness and hopelessness. Even his ability to jerk does not save in the long run. Lack of interest in profit kills labor productivity.

        Are you talking about China? China did not depart from the ideology of communism and wisely used the possibilities of capitalism. As a result of this "selection", the Chinese economic miracle was revealed to the world. Our "geniuses-duriks" Gaydarovtsy and Chubaysyat went a completely different way, stupidly destroying the industrial potential of the USSR to please the West. The phrase by A. Chubais - “Each closed plant is a nail in the lid of the tomb of communism” in the best way explains why we have what we have. T.ch. socialism has nothing to do with it, but liberalism is precisely that cancerous tumor that devours states one after another, leading them to poverty and decay.
        1. Kenxnumx
          Kenxnumx 11 October 2017 08: 26 New
          +3
          China has not departed from the pseudo-communist IDEOLOGY but in production relations it has long been a typical capitalist and market country. With private capital by billionaires and other market attributes.
          1. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 11 October 2017 08: 52 New
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            Quote: Ken71
            China has not departed from the pseudo-communist IDEOLOGY but in production relations it has long been a typical capitalist and market country. With private capital by billionaires and other market attributes.

            In fact, I wrote the same thing. China did not destroy what it had, but simply supplemented its economic model with attributes inherent in capitalism. In our country, as in the International, “We will destroy the whole world of violence to the ground, and after that we will be ours, we will build a new world, who was nobody, that will become everything” .... Who were these “WE” in the period the collapse of the USSR and the deriban of state assets of Russia in the 90s and for whom “THEY” built the “NEW WORLD” we all see and understand today. As a result of their construction (perestroika), 10% of Russia's population became "EVERYTHING", and 90% went into the category of "BECAME ANYONE". For these 90% of the people, called upon to ensure the well-being of 10% of those who “got into the stream,” just a wish from the government “BREED and BREED” is clearly not enough. It’s hard for me to understand how it is possible for a State Duma deputy with a salary of 800 thousand rubles to convince a young mother to give birth to 2–3 children, and without hesitating to discuss the amount of a monthly allowance for a child of 70 rubles - “Is it not fat?”,
            1. Kenxnumx
              Kenxnumx 11 October 2017 09: 06 New
              +1
              The ideology in China made it possible to retain power at the top of the party. Our elite chose to maintain power through the seizure of resources. And in many ways miscalculated.
            2. CONTROL
              CONTROL 11 October 2017 09: 40 New
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              Quote: Nyrobsky
              ... who was nobody, that will become everything "....

              Who was "nobody" - cannot become everything! never...
              how can a State Duma deputy with a salary of 800 thousand rubles convince a young mother to give birth to 2-3 children, and at the same time not be shy to talk about the size of the monthly child allowance of 70 rubles - "Isn't it bold?"

              In pornography, this "stream in the eye" is called - "golden rain" ...
          2. E_V_N
            E_V_N 11 October 2017 10: 06 New
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            What makes you think that China is a "typical capitalist and market country"? But is it that the overwhelming volumes of the economy are in the hands of state enterprises, and the bulk of "non-state" enterprises take the form of cooperatives? What about the planned economy of China? Nothing that mandatory development plans are being adopted at CPC congresses?
          3. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 16 November 2017 13: 20 New
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            Quote: Ken71
            China has not departed from the pseudo-communist IDEOLOGY but in production relations it has long been a typical capitalist and market country.

            The USSR during the NEP period is also a capitalist country?
        2. gladcu2
          gladcu2 11 October 2017 23: 15 New
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          Here is a Link for self-education. As well as an explanation of the return to capitalism in the USSR.
          Concisely, 5 minutes.
          https://youtu.be/KhwBfJdMCz0
      4. Stas157
        Stas157 11 October 2017 09: 29 New
        +5
        Quote: Ken71
        Socialism has already shown its complete wretchedness and hopelessness.

        Do you prove it to yourself? Russia actually took place under socialism, as a superpower! Let me remind you that before that it was agrarian, undeveloped.
        Quote: Ken71
        Lack of interest in profit kills labor productivity.
        Is this your main accusation against the USSR? Well then you are just funny! To make the economy even more productive, one could simply rectify the situation, introduce elements of competition ... market relations finally! Socialism is different. Under Lenin, there was even a NEP! Have you heard of him?
        Well, and absolutely not necessary, to fix this was to destroy the entire Soviet Union! By the way, if we take the military field, then the economy and productivity there were more competitive than in the West. And if we take the economy of today's Russia, then even now, under capitalism, it is not competitive! So what did you want to prove with this?
        1. Kenxnumx
          Kenxnumx 11 October 2017 09: 46 New
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          And what did Stalin do with the NEP. Just because he thought it necessary. That is the problem of socialism that the economy is driven not by the laws of development but by arbitrariness. It is impossible to fix it.
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 11 October 2017 11: 31 New
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            Quote: Ken71
            And what did Stalin do with the NEP. Just because he thought it necessary. That is the problem of socialism that the economy is driven not by the laws of development but by arbitrariness. It is impossible to fix it.

            You are confusing the economic and political systems. Socialism is a simple economic principle - from each in possibility, to each according to work. This is a redistribution of the final product of labor, according to Marx. What happened in the USSR is not only a socialist system, but also a political one. In fact, one-party, dictatorial under Stalin. Hence the excesses. It was necessary to correct the political system first of all. And in recent years, the USSR understood this. Perestroika was originally conceived. No one thought it would turn into a tragedy. Apparently it was too late, everything had rotted so much that they could not oppose anything to the traitor Yeltsin and US influence.
      5. E_V_N
        E_V_N 11 October 2017 09: 52 New
        +1
        You tell it to China.
      6. E_V_N
        E_V_N 11 October 2017 11: 46 New
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        Quote: Ken71
        Lack of interest in profit kills labor productivity.

        And who told you that under capitalism, profit is divided in proportion to the "labor productivity" of wage earners? Who told you that under capitalism, profit does not remain in the hands of the owner of production, but is distributed among the workers? Are you confusing anything? Salary is just the cost of production and any "owner" seeks to minimize these costs.
        In general, “labor productivity” is a very crafty economic myth of the planned economy. Since this "productivity" does not reflect absolutely nothing and can serve only as a relative criterion in a planned socialist economy along with a minimum wage and a living wage. For example, how to compare labor productivity in the production of rocket engines and screws? What will be correctly counted in pieces, rubles, dollars, gold? If we count in rubles as economists, then a rocket engine can be used to start in the Russian Federation or sold in the United States, in the Russian Federation payment at cost or lower, in the United States it is sold at a commercial price. It turns out that the worker has different performance depending on where the engine will be used? We need to drive economists and officials into the neck who sing to us tales about low productivity in the Russian Federation or earlier in the USSR.
      7. Dmitry Konoplev
        Dmitry Konoplev 13 October 2017 21: 44 New
        +1
        Well, you are wrong, even in Sweden and Norway there are moments of socialism. But capitalism and interest in profits does not add to fertility.
      8. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 16 November 2017 13: 09 New
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        Quote: Ken71
        Socialism has already shown its complete wretchedness and hopelessness. Even his ability to jerk does not save in the long run. Lack of interest in profit kills labor productivity.

        What are you saying? "To each according to work" does not create due interest? The formation of capitalism was also far from cloudless. It was long and bloody. So do not la la.
    3. Black5Raven
      Black5Raven 10 October 2017 20: 45 New
      +2
      Quote: Stas157
      And this is in conditions of complete isolation,

      The United States (for money it is natural) built many enterprises and structures in the USSR in the period before the Second World War. Is not drawn to isolation.
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 10 October 2017 22: 19 New
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        Quote: Black5Raven
        The United States (for money it is natural) built many enterprises and structures in the USSR in the period before the Second World War. Is not drawn to isolation.

        NAVs built many enterprises in the Third Reich - completely free of charge, and the Russians bought technology at a tart price and at a price and built on their own.
        1. Kenxnumx
          Kenxnumx 11 October 2017 07: 52 New
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          Foreigners designed and made machine tools and equipment developed technological chains. And we ourselves in most cases, under the supervision of their specialists, collected this on the spot and learned to work with it. Well, the pits probably dug themselves.
          1. CONTROL
            CONTROL 11 October 2017 09: 02 New
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            Quote: Ken71
            Foreigners designed and made machine tools and equipment developed technological chains. And we ourselves in most cases, under the supervision of their specialists, collected this on the spot and learned to work with it. Well, the pits probably dug themselves.

            ... "Collected on the spot" and "learned to work!" As a result, a bunch of units of "super-import" equipment were modernized, despite the objections of "observing specialists". They "watch" it, panimash, interestingly - then they introduce these modernizations with pleasure at home, at home (they got it for free, of course!); and they continue to supply us the year before last homo ... a homogenized product, it began to be ...
            1. Kenxnumx
              Kenxnumx 11 October 2017 09: 09 New
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              What mass production of the USSR was competitive in the world market. In addition to the tanks it’s clear. I'm afraid you don’t even have to take off your shoes to list.
              1. Setrac
                Setrac 11 October 2017 10: 24 New
                +1
                Quote: Ken71
                What mass production of the USSR was competitive in the world market. In addition to the tanks it’s clear. I'm afraid you don’t even have to take off your shoes to list.

                ALL products. All that was sold is competitive.
                1. Kenxnumx
                  Kenxnumx 11 October 2017 11: 05 New
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                  What was sold in the world market.
                  1. Setrac
                    Setrac 11 October 2017 11: 14 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Ken71
                    What was sold in the world market.

                    Have you been banned in Google?
          2. Setrac
            Setrac 11 October 2017 10: 22 New
            +2
            Quote: Ken71
            Foreigners designed and made machine tools and equipment developed technological chains. And we ourselves in most cases, under the supervision of their specialists, collected this on the spot and learned to work with it. Well, the pits probably dug themselves.

            Here the main question is at whose expense the banquet. If foreigners invested in the economy of the USSR, then it would be right to say what they built for us. And so all at their own expense, the people of the USSR built everything themselves, buying technology in the west.
            The West built EVERYTHING to the Third Reich for free - why do you all bypass this issue?
            1. Kenxnumx
              Kenxnumx 11 October 2017 11: 06 New
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              We are talking about the USSR or the Third Reich. Or is it the same for you?
              1. Setrac
                Setrac 11 October 2017 11: 15 New
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                Quote: Ken71
                We are talking about the USSR or the Third Reich. Or is it the same for you?

                They (the West) didn’t just do it like that.
            2. Black5Raven
              Black5Raven 11 October 2017 17: 23 New
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              Quote: Setrac
              West built ALL the Third Reich for free

              Then I am sure that it will not be difficult for you to provide evidence of this. yes
              1. Setrac
                Setrac 11 October 2017 17: 55 New
                +1
                Quote: Black5Raven
                Then I am sure that it will not be difficult for you to provide evidence of this.

                What is the evidence? The fact that the USA built enterprises for Germany on credit, which they then forgave? Do you need financial documentation?
                And you can "provide evidence" that this was not so.
      2. Stas157
        Stas157 11 October 2017 09: 17 New
        +3
        Quote: Black5Raven
        Quote: Stas157
        And this is in conditions of complete isolation,

        The United States (for money it is natural) built many enterprises and structures in the USSR in the period before the Second World War. Is not drawn to isolation.

        The United States generally recognized the USSR as the latest. And built after already. And nobody shared breakthrough technologies with us. The USA is still trading with us despite the sanctions! Not?
    4. CONTROL
      CONTROL 11 October 2017 09: 06 New
      +1
      Quote: Stas157
      Having tried the experience of socialism and capitalism, ...
      ... Socialist Russia at one time showed what a giant leap its economy is capable of. In the 20 pre-war years, she turned the agrarian country into an advanced industrial superpower. And this is in conditions of complete isolation, and not the soft sanctions that are now.

      ... and-and-and, my friend! So it was under Stalin!
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 11 October 2017 11: 35 New
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        Quote: CONTROL
        .. and-and-and, my friend! So it was under Stalin!

        Yes, I wrote about it! And in what did you see the contradiction?
    5. andrew42
      andrew42 11 October 2017 14: 08 New
      +1
      Back to the Future! That is, to socialism. Without a shadow of irony. There is still a chance to return to the fork.
    6. Dream of the Gods
      Dream of the Gods 14 October 2017 05: 07 New
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      Socialism is not a way out of the demographic pit, it was socialism that led to the flourishing of homosexuality and lesbianism in the world. This is a direct dependency.
  2. antivirus
    antivirus 10 October 2017 15: 30 New
    +2
    With a relatively high standard of living in the capitals, the scientist counted in the country from 15 to 20 these “disaster zones”. This is a huge territory, more than many countries.
    except for the Ministry of Defense and the Ministry of Emergencies
    TIME WILL COME AND --- NO FOR XX CENTURY SQ KM OWN PEOPLE - NO BASES. ONLY DRY PACK EAT. MILK - FROM COW AND HAY + COWN + HOUSE OF MILK AND CATTLE
    BAR OAK IS VERY USEFUL. BUT IT SHOULD BE RIPPED OFF AND BRING
    1. nadezhiva
      nadezhiva 10 October 2017 22: 31 New
      +5
      The scientist counted something .... I have another dumb question: part of the data from the article of which year?
      To this can be added ruble appreciation to 20–25 for a dollar
      Or is it a "jerky" vinaigrette?
      1. tasha
        tasha 11 October 2017 05: 04 New
        +1
        To this we can add a ruble appreciation to 20 – 25 per dollar

        As I understand it, this is one of the suggestions of the author of the article. Those. You wake up in the morning, and on the radio they say: “The ruble exchange rate for today is 20 rubles per dollar. Well, maybe 25 ...” wink
        1. Kenxnumx
          Kenxnumx 11 October 2017 07: 53 New
          +1
          And the salary is set at 100 rubles.
        2. CONTROL
          CONTROL 11 October 2017 08: 57 New
          +1
          Quote: tasha
          To this we can add a ruble appreciation to 20 – 25 per dollar

          As I understand it, this is one of the suggestions of the author of the article. Those. You wake up in the morning, and on the radio they say: “The ruble exchange rate for today is 20 rubles per dollar. Well, maybe 25 ...” wink

          ... it is better to return to 0,62 rubles. for a dollar ... for those who have not forgotten that time!
          1. Kenxnumx
            Kenxnumx 11 October 2017 09: 10 New
            +1
            Yeah. And travel to Bulgaria. How much they changed for the elite who could go abroad.
          2. Kenxnumx
            Kenxnumx 11 October 2017 09: 10 New
            0
            Yeah. And travel to Bulgaria. How much they changed for the elite who could go abroad.
          3. Vadim237
            Vadim237 11 October 2017 09: 28 New
            +1
            Yes, the exchange rate will decrease, but prices will remain the same - there will be zero money in the treasury.
            1. CONTROL
              CONTROL 11 October 2017 09: 55 New
              +1
              Quote: Vadim237
              Yes, the exchange rate will decrease, but prices will remain the same - there will be zero money in the treasury.

              Yeah. And travel to Bulgaria. How much they changed for the elite who could go abroad.

              ... yeah! It comes, then - to the "smart"! - about the “dollar to ruble exchange rate”!
              --------------------------
              (I remembered the dialogue between Ryabinin and Dostigayev from Gorky's play "Dostigayev and Others":
              To t and g and e in. A minute! However, we must also identify us in the place! Governments keep for worthless people ...
              .
              To t and g and e in. Hospitals, crazy houses ...
              R i b and n and n. Probably, here she, abbess, and many of you, like the Terrible, have to sit in jail.
              .....
              To t and g and e in. It will be difficult for you, comrade Ryabinin, to manage without the help of experienced people.
              R i b and n and n. There are. Yours, who are smarter, will honestly work with us. ....

              Dostigaev (thinks). Which are smarter, they will be saved, that means ... This is still a consolation ... for fools!
  3. Alex_59
    Alex_59 10 October 2017 15: 48 New
    21
    Well, what do you want? The current government is the victorious February revolution. Gentlemen, sir believe that everything should be profitable. And what is the profit from social programs? Some losses.
    Putin curtailed patriotism, reminded us that we are a single country. But against the background of the clinical manifestations of the previous ruler, this feint was not difficult to make - the transition from terrible to simply bad always looks like a step for the better, especially when there is nowhere worse. But that was then. And now the question arises - what next? And then it’s obvious that the model of economy and social structure that we were uploaded to in the 90 does not allow us to develop. And the existing government does not want to change it.
    The country needs real opposition of a moderate socialist nature. Social Democrats are needed. Real, not fake. Who will propose a model without communist suitors and liberal permissiveness. But something is not visible to them.
    1. olimpiada15
      olimpiada15 10 October 2017 17: 09 New
      13
      "the model of the economy and social structure that we were planted in the 90s does not allow us to develop"
      naturally does not allow to develop, because for that this model was created to ruin the country.
      What is needed is a new economic model without being pushed to the west, built on the best that has been in the history of the country. And it was good before the revolution and in socialist times. Before the revolution was not only the oppression of the exploited. There were a lot of strong households where the family worked for themselves, but mutual assistance also existed. Few people know what help is. And each yard sent one assistant to the harvest, so that it was possible to harvest the day. And so, in turn, to everyone. And under socialism, what ruined? For a long time, inefficient enterprises were supported, which led to a lack of incentive for good work for both those who worked poorly and those who worked well. The transition to self-financing has changed the situation: efficient production began to develop, providing not only the production of products, but the entire social sector, including subsidiary farms to provide products. But the trouble is, it was these enterprises that were destroyed in the first place — to seize such profits in their personal pockets — this is what happened under the heading of the appearance of “effective managers”. And today, these "effective managers" have shown all the incredible greed and lack of ability and desire to develop production. For their main characteristics are subsidies from the budget, and knocking out all kinds of buns put in your personal pocket, and huge debts, which Rosneft is famous for (I read in the finals). Well it is necessary to manage this way.
    2. Kenxnumx
      Kenxnumx 10 October 2017 20: 19 New
      +1
      Developed social services are possible with highly developed and profitable production.
      1. olimpiada15
        olimpiada15 11 October 2017 07: 56 New
        +4
        Right. She worked at a supporting enterprise when they switched to self-financing, there was enough money for everything: any problems that impeded effective work were quickly eliminated. “No money” never sounded, any problem was solved quickly and clearly. And now “no money” is a chronic condition of any production: there is no money for the purchase of raw materials, payment of salaries, repairs, modernization. And the fundamental difference: then there was an incentive for good work for everyone from management to an ordinary employee. And in today's model, the creation of efficient industries is no more than a slogan for attracting money. In reality, any activity comes down to attracting finance, mastering, sawing, look at the charter of any society, there is one goal — making a profit, not ensuring output, just money. But citizens of the country need to ensure that the state has their right to life, which includes the availability of income sufficient to provide food, clothing, housing, and the possibility of rest and treatment. To meet these needs, enterprises must exist and operate in the country that produce everything necessary, as well as equipment for this production. And it is necessary to produce goods and equipment in the country, providing jobs and salaries to the citizens of the country, and the opportunity to purchase goods of adequate quality to ensure life. But the government of the country does not set such tasks, their main task is a declaration of compliance with the requirements of international financial organizations, beautiful figures in the reports.
        1. Kenxnumx
          Kenxnumx 11 October 2017 08: 29 New
          +2
          Our country is not an indicator. We always go our own way. For developed countries, it’s profitable to direct the surplus to eliminate social tension, that is, to the social sphere. It's cheaper than coming up with how to deal with all sorts of protest movements.
          1. badens1111
            badens1111 11 October 2017 08: 35 New
            +1
            Quote: Ken71
            For developed countries, it’s profitable to direct the surplus to eliminate social tension, that is, to the social sphere.

            Are you here as someone? France is rebelling, Italy is rebelling, but some dunno with parallel reality tells us that everything in the West is fine .. why are you here, for the sake of lies and provocations?
            As for human dignity, it is very difficult to maintain it below the poverty line. Meanwhile, according to some estimates, up to 18 million people are starving in Europe. For the first time since the Second World War, the queues for free meals are still growing in the wealthy Britain and Finland. In 2011, 6% of the EU population (24,2 million people) lived on the verge of poverty119,6 and below its line, which was more than in the previous year (23,4%). The leaders with a minus sign were Bulgaria (49% of the poor), Romania and Latvia (40% each). In Lithuania there were 33% of the poor, in France and Germany - 19,5% each (and in Germany they were mainly migrants), in Austria and Luxembourg - 17%, in Sweden and the Netherlands - 16% [9]. According to the Spanish Red Cross, in 2012, over 33 thousand tons of food aid were distributed among the starving Spaniards, for which 3 million people applied. In some cases, in addition to food, the Red Cross helped with the payment of electricity, water and housing. Such assistance was provided to over 20 thousand people. [ten]. The plight of part of the European population is a direct result of job loss as a source of livelihood. Http://institutiones.com/general/10
            37-socialnaya-politika-stran-evrosoyuza.html
            1. Kenxnumx
              Kenxnumx 11 October 2017 09: 22 New
              +4
              Sure. There global poverty is poor in the streets and lines for free food. And our consulates are being stormed by people who dream of moving to live in Russia. The main thing is not to be nervous. Better go and see for yourself. Or try to understand why they are rebelling in France. They are there from a series of fat raging.
          2. E_V_N
            E_V_N 11 October 2017 14: 38 New
            +1
            You claim that the capitalist produces surpluses in order to distribute them to those in need? What private capital is worried about any protests ?, What clouds are you in, dear?
      2. CONTROL
        CONTROL 11 October 2017 10: 07 New
        +2
        Quote: Ken71
        Developed social services are possible with highly developed and profitable production.

        Libya under Gaddafi, for example ...
        1. badens1111
          badens1111 11 October 2017 10: 46 New
          +3
          Quote: CONTROL
          Libya under Gaddafi, for example ..

          Killed by Western "socially-developed" cannibals.
    3. CorvusCoraks
      CorvusCoraks 13 October 2017 17: 55 New
      +1
      Social-patriot-nationalists are definitely needed.
  4. Karen
    Karen 10 October 2017 16: 54 New
    +1
    I remembered the program on your TV about 20 years ago. They showed about one Yezidi that he promised to bring 10000 non-drinking bull-calves of his nationality to Tambov to solve demographics in this area.
    1. Maalkavianin
      Maalkavianin 10 October 2017 18: 10 New
      +1
      About 20 years ago in our city the shooting still did not cease. The Yezidis could simply not reach their destination.
  5. knn54
    knn54 10 October 2017 17: 28 New
    +9
    -But it’s impossible to blame all the problems in one hole, albeit a demographic one!
    Huge demographic losses also occur when millions of women and men die in working age. And the death of men is already a challenge to the national security of the Russian Federation.
    PS It’s not in vain that people say “why produce poverty” ...
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 10 October 2017 18: 00 New
      +3
      Quote: knn54
      PS It’s not in vain that people say “why produce poverty” ...

      Everything is simple here - either wealth or fertility. In disadvantaged countries they give birth, in prosperous countries they do not. If you want to give birth, keep the people in a "black body".
      1. TOR2
        TOR2 10 October 2017 21: 25 New
        +8
        Quote: Setrac
        If you want to give birth, keep the people in a "black body".

        Yes, such a “hypotenuse” does not work, and the 90s is a confirmation of this.
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 10 October 2017 22: 17 New
          0
          Quote: TOR2
          Yes, such a “hypotenuse” does not work, and the 90s is a confirmation of this.

          90s - a brief moment of trouble.
      2. dauria
        dauria 10 October 2017 22: 45 New
        +6
        In disadvantaged countries they give birth, in prosperous countries they do not.


        Exactly, remove the pension, let the children feed their parents laughing The question is really complex and not related to the standard of living. I read somewhere that for a zero increase (population does not grow and does not decrease) a woman should have 2,2 children. 0,2 - this is for mortality, etc. That is, out of 10 families, the situation is as follows: 8 - for 2 children, 2 - for 3 children. Well, or so 3-one, 3-by 2, 3-by 3, 1- four children.
        And now, city dwellers look back at their entrance - when this happened even during the USSR. The city is a black hole. Only earlier in the 50-70s did he drag out the villagers and compensate for the decline. Now there are no villages. There was still hope for migrants who would cost our rulers cheaper than paying their children's allowances.
        There are no financial reasons for having many children. For themselves, give birth to one or two and that's enough. And now they don’t even want to.
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 10 October 2017 23: 04 New
          +2
          Quote: dauria
          There are no financial reasons for having many children. For themselves, give birth to one or two and that's enough. And now they don’t even want to.

          Dear Colleague! hi Along with financial background, there is also an ideological one. The postulate: “family unit of society” is an excellent slogan.
          To increase fertility, women should first of all have guarantees that the child will not live in need. But it is clear that no husband will give such guarantees in the long run, but the state can. How long will Zhknschins receive guarantees for the protection of motherhood and childhood — the increase in the birth rate is guaranteed!
          this concept should include mandatory payments to the mother of at least minimum wages + child benefits in the amount of at least 50% of the minimum wage, fixed prices for baby products, at least up to 7 years.
          Well, housing, of course, in social services and the unconditional cancellation of payments for children under the age of 14!
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 11 October 2017 00: 28 New
            +4
            Quote: Stroporez
            To increase fertility, women should first of all have guarantees that the child will not live in need.

            It is clear that everything rests on the exaggerated demands of women.
            Quote: Stroporez
            How long will Zhknschins receive guarantees for the protection of motherhood and childhood — the increase in the birth rate is guaranteed!

            Where did you get this connection? As soon as a woman is provided, she will not be guaranteed to give birth.
            Quote: Stroporez
            this concept should include obligatory payments to the mother of at least a minimum wage + child benefits in the amount of at least 50% of the minimum wage, fixed prices for baby products, at least up to 7 years

            You don’t have to do everything hand-to-hand, you just need a normal salary for your fathers - so that mothers could not work, but deal with children.
        2. EwgenyZ
          EwgenyZ 11 October 2017 08: 52 New
          +4
          Quote: dauria
          The question is really complex and not related to the standard of living.

          The fact of the matter is that many think differently. I looked at the comments and 90% all as one - "no money, no birth rate." The experience of the "civilized world", and of our "bright" past, is not decree to anyone. THERE is / was everything and confidence in the future, and financial prosperity and other "nishtyaki" that modern Russians so much lack, but no, they do not give birth / gave birth.

          "The biggest stupidity is to do the same and hope for a different result."
          / A.Enshtein /
      3. Victor N
        Victor N 11 October 2017 04: 52 New
        +4
        Children were given birth long before the advent of refrigerators, televisions, and the calculation of the cost of living. Successfully. But mercilessly teased childless women and men. There were no dogs in the house.
        Take a look at how many old, miserable, useless, childless people are around who have not conceived children since Socialism.
      4. CONTROL
        CONTROL 11 October 2017 08: 53 New
        +2
        Quote: Setrac
        In disadvantaged countries they give birth, in prosperous countries they do not. If you want to give birth, keep the people in a "black body".

        ... by the way, there is such a sign: 20–25 years before the “big war” in the country - in which this war should happen! - many more boys are born than girls!
        "Sign" is confirmed - unfortunately ... - by retrospective statistics ... "unknown pattern"? ....
      5. Catherine II
        Catherine II 11 October 2017 10: 53 New
        0
        Quote: Setrac
        If you want to give birth, keep the people in a "black body".

        There is an even easier way - deprive women of their rights and opportunities to receive education and work. True, half of the economy (because women are the main consumer of the benefits of production) will collapse .. But then they will give birth ... Hello, the Middle Ages will ..
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 11 October 2017 10: 59 New
          +2
          Quote: Catherine II
          Hello Middle Ages will be ..

          You simply do not realize the consequences of your unwillingness to give birth.
          Who does not want to feed his army will feed someone else's.
          The one who did not want to give birth to her children is bent by strangers with cancer.
          This is the prose of life, children are not a whim but a necessary condition for survival.
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          2. Stalingradpobeda
            Stalingradpobeda 11 October 2017 15: 57 New
            0
            Setrac, from the number of people it is unlikely that something will change for the better. Only beggars will become more. Why then do you want more people?
            1. Setrac
              Setrac 11 October 2017 16: 29 New
              0
              Quote: Stalingradpobeda
              Setrac, from the number of people it is unlikely that something will change for the better. Only beggars will become more. Why then do you want more people?

              God is on the side of large battalions.
              Ten people produce ten times more than one.
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  6. SERGUS
    SERGUS 10 October 2017 17: 53 New
    12
    In addition to low incomes, getting out of the demographic pit is still hindered by high expenses: a kindergarten, a school - you need a lot of money for this, but what if you have two children? Plus, children often get sick, and medications are not cheap here either. If you think so, then for the family we have no privileges, I think that for the family, as a unit of society, some kind of benefits are needed for example. And here, some people do not specifically marry, because a single mother receives benefits, etc. This is certainly good, but I think it is necessary to stimulate people to live in marriage, it seems to me that this also contributes to the birth of children.
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 10 October 2017 18: 01 New
      +3
      Quote: SERGUS
      In addition to low incomes, getting out of the demographic pit is still hindered by high expenses.

      The only thing that prevents us from getting out of the demographic pit is the egoism of youth. You just need to tie the size of the pension to the number of children, everything is simple, there are no children - there is no pension.
      1. mat-vey
        mat-vey 10 October 2017 20: 53 New
        +6
        there is simply no pension
      2. Daniel
        Daniel 10 October 2017 22: 17 New
        +2
        Quote: Setrac
        The only thing that prevents us from getting out of the demographic pit is the egoism of youth.

        There is no selfishness here. If there are no conditions for raising and raising a child, there is no sense in becoming parents. Rather, it can be called a responsible attitude towards future offspring. Although this position, unfortunately, is not shared by everyone.
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 10 October 2017 22: 25 New
          +3
          Quote: Daniel
          If there are no conditions for raising and raising a child, there is no sense in becoming parents.

          What conditions do you need? People in Russia are full, shod, dressed, there is a roof over their heads, everything else is from the evil one.
          You just need to CANCEL the entire social network and the birth rate will trample up.
          Quote: Daniel
          it makes no sense to become parents

          No, well, what duplicity on your part did your parents find it reasonable to give birth to?
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          2. Daniel
            Daniel 11 October 2017 00: 25 New
            +4
            Quote: Setrac
            What conditions do you need? People in Russia are full, shod, dressed, there is a roof over their heads, everything else is from the evil one.

            We have too different ideas about a decent standard of living.
            You have too much "from the evil one." Millions of Russians somehow full, shod, dressed, information on the number of people below the poverty line in the article is. Not everyone has their own roof over their heads (again, we take the absolute minimum - at least their own “odnushka” in the city). The purchase of an apartment by a young family of two working people in the vast majority of cases (we don’t consider inheritance) means a life of debt for several years, even taking into account the help from relatives.
            What kind of children are in such conditions? Although, the law does not prohibit poverty in our country ...

            Quote: Setrac
            You just need to CANCEL the entire social network and the birth rate will trample up.

            Social and so no, something baby boomers are not observed.

            Quote: Setrac
            No, well, what duplicity on your part did your parents find it reasonable to give birth to?

            Yes, they found it when they were able to provide all the conditions for raising a child. I have not in vain mentioned the responsible attitude towards future children. There is no duplicity on my part from the word at all. hi
            1. Setrac
              Setrac 11 October 2017 00: 37 New
              +7
              Quote: Daniel
              We have too different ideas about a decent standard of living.

              Tell this labor veterans who worked for free in the war for a crust of bread.
              But this is also a form of war. And we lose the Third World War not in the battlefields, but in maternity hospitals.
              Quote: Daniel
              Although, the law does not prohibit poverty in our country ...

              Gods do not burn pots, the country needs people of working professions - the very "poverty" from which you are so contemptuously expressed.
              Quote: Daniel
              I have not in vain mentioned the responsible attitude towards future children. There is no duplicity on my part from the word at all.

              But the children do not need much, the parents need much, you only cover the children with their egoism.
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 11 October 2017 00: 44 New
                +7
                Thank you for writing this.
                I don’t know how to put a hundred pluses, one is mine.
                Sincerely, believe me.
              2. Daniel
                Daniel 11 October 2017 01: 56 New
                +2
                Quote: Setrac
                Tell this labor veterans who worked for free in the war for a crust of bread.

                No, I will not say. We are not in their place, the hard wartime 70 more than years ago has nothing to do with modern life, so the comparison is not the topic.
                Quote: Setrac
                But this is also a form of war. And we lose the Third World War not in the battlefields, but in maternity hospitals.

                Everything for the war, everything for the front, it turns out. Please give me a link where you can read about the war in maternity hospitals, otherwise I, as youth, do not know.
                Quote: Setrac
                Not Gods pots burn, country need people of working professions - the very "poverty" from which you are so contemptuously expressed.

                No, they are not needed, there will be nowhere to put them. The level of automation is growing at a furious pace from year to year. Where previously 10 workers were required, now one is required (if at all). The world is seriously discussing the rejection of the human driver as such, the autopilot, it turns out, drives much better and safer, while not getting tired and does not require a salary. Cargo quadrocopter puts an end to the profession of a courier. White-collar workers are also among the victims. Sberbank reduces 3 thousands of lawyers, because the robot works more efficiently and cheaper. Welcome to the future!
                The motivation “the country needs” is, of course, at the level. "Unerals require meat," yeah.
                1. Setrac
                  Setrac 11 October 2017 10: 40 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Daniel
                  No, I will not say. We are not in their place, the hard wartime 70 more than years ago has nothing to do with modern life, so the comparison is not the topic.

                  This is what you think. Of course, if you compare - now it’s not the forty-first, but somewhere around the 35-40th year, but you have everything ahead. And the World War and products on the cards and occupation, and all because you did not want to give birth to children, there is nobody to become in order, to become to the machines.
                  Quote: Daniel
                  Please give me a link where you can read about the war in maternity hospitals, otherwise I, as youth, do not know.

                  You will be surprised, but the God of war does not create sites and chat in chat rooms.
                  Quote: Daniel
                  No, they are not needed, there will be nowhere to put them.

                  Turners, milling machines, tractor drivers, drivers, welders and many many other working specialties are needed right now, because people like you tend to teach your children economists, lawyers and programmers - loafers are shorter.
                  Quote: Daniel
                  Welcome to the future!

                  This future is still very far away.
                  1. SERGUS
                    SERGUS 11 October 2017 14: 46 New
                    0
                    Quote: Setrac
                    And the World War and products on the cards and occupation, and all because you did not want to give birth to children, there is nobody to become in order, to become to the machines.

                    To which machines, where did you see them!?
                    Quote: Setrac
                    We need right now turners, milling machines, tractor drivers, drivers, welders and many many other working specialties

                    Yeah, you need, look at the ads: manager - 500 vacancies, menchandiser - 400, pizza delivery man - 300, turner - 2.
                    Quote: Setrac
                    This future is still very far away.

                    If you look all the time back in the 30s, then the future will never come.
                    1. Setrac
                      Setrac 11 October 2017 14: 54 New
                      0
                      Quote: SERGUS
                      To which machines, where did you see them!?

                      Have you seen a gopher?
                      1. SERGUS
                        SERGUS 11 October 2017 17: 03 New
                        0
                        Quote: Setrac
                        Have you seen a gopher?

                        Have come ... from the questions of demography reached the gophers
                2. CorvusCoraks
                  CorvusCoraks 13 October 2017 18: 10 New
                  0
                  Quote: Daniel
                  No, they are not needed, there will be nowhere to put them. The level of automation is growing at a furious pace from year to year. Where previously 10 workers were required, now one is required (if at all).

                  Yes laaaadno nowhere in China, 1,4 billion in India no less, and where do they go ...
              3. Kenxnumx
                Kenxnumx 11 October 2017 10: 09 New
                0
                That is, the country as a military camp for women and children to machine tools. Work for the ration. Work where the leader indicates. All as one for a just cause. And this is in the 21st century.
                1. Setrac
                  Setrac 11 October 2017 10: 51 New
                  0
                  Quote: Ken71
                  That is, the country as a military camp for women and children to machine tools. Work for the ration. Work where the leader indicates. All as one for a just cause. And this is in the 21st century.

                  However, not everything is so bad in our country. No need to juggle.
                  1. SERGUS
                    SERGUS 11 October 2017 15: 06 New
                    0
                    Quote: Setrac
                    However, not everything is so bad in our country. No need to juggle.

                    Well, you yourself tell us: "Here are our grandfathers in the war, they did not have a roof over their heads ..." the standard of living in peacetime in Russia should not be like in a war! If you like military style life, you can live in a dugout in the woods, it’s your right, but IMHO most Russian citizens want a prosperous life and I think that we live in no banana republic and in a country with enormous resources (and not only natural), their (citizens) desires are quite appropriate.
                    1. Setrac
                      Setrac 11 October 2017 15: 16 New
                      +2
                      Quote: SERGUS
                      in Russia, the standard of living in peacetime should not be like in a war!

                      And he, this standard of living, is much higher than in the war, so stop referring to the "bad life", the reason for the low birth rate in the egoism of people living in abundance.
                      1. SERGUS
                        SERGUS 11 October 2017 17: 08 New
                        0
                        Quote: Setrac
                        the reason for the low birth rate in the egoism of people living in abundance

                        Well, in what abundance, what are you saying, half of the country lives in our country from paycheck to paycheck. Clothing, soup and odnushka in a mortgage - is this your income?
          3. CONTROL
            CONTROL 11 October 2017 10: 13 New
            +2
            Quote: Setrac
            ... everything else is from the evil one.

            Surname - and position in the Council of Ministers - "crafty": to the studio !!!
      3. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 10 October 2017 23: 11 New
        +1
        Quote: Setrac
        You just need to tie the size of the pension to the number of children, everything is simple, there are no children - there is no pension.

        You offer a different form of child tax!
        By the way, a tax on childlessness could be introduced and distributed - this tax is targeted!
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 11 October 2017 00: 24 New
          +2
          Quote: Stroporez
          You offer a different form of child tax!

          No tax on childlessness, it’s just to pay a pension directly from children to parents, so that when I am old my children will support me, and not me and three childless children who have lived their lives “for themselves”.
          Quote: Stroporez
          By the way, a tax on childlessness could be introduced and distributed - this tax is targeted!

          You can, of course, remove glands through the oppa, but should you?
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 11 October 2017 00: 33 New
            +3
            Quote: Setrac
            No tax on childlessness, it’s just to pay a pension directly from children to parents, so that when I am old my children will support me, and not me and three childless children who have lived their lives “for themselves”.

            Your suggestion is very controversial!
            1. The inability to have offspring
            a) disease
            b) activities (e.g. Nicola Tesla)
            2.Your offspring died:, including cases, illness, war, etc.
            Therefore, the tax on childlessness is more fair. This is just a certain amount of deductions at a working age, and not the excess pension ...
            1. Setrac
              Setrac 11 October 2017 00: 43 New
              +2
              Quote: Stroporez
              1. The inability to have offspring
              a) disease

              Healthy should keep sick? it
              and unfair to healthy
              b harmful to the health of the nation (very harmful up to the degeneration of what is happening now)
              in breeding crime and corruption in the distribution of subsidies.
              Quote: Stroporez
              b) activities (e.g. Nicola Tesla)

              It is these people who must have children.
              Quote: Stroporez
              2.Your offspring died:, including cases, illness, war, etc.

              Benefit for the loss of a breadwinner, but only if the "breadwinner" was.
              Quote: Stroporez
              Therefore, the tax on childlessness is more fair.

              Therefore, they do not give birth to children - everyone hopes that others will give birth.
              1. SERGUS
                SERGUS 11 October 2017 15: 36 New
                0
                Quote: Setrac
                Healthy should keep sick?

                Of course not, let the old people still be sent to the forest so as not to feed. And if, for example, a person is barren, and works at the plant for three, will he still be left without a pension?
                Quote: Setrac
                Quote: Stroporez
                b) activities (e.g. Nicola Tesla)
                It is these people who must have children.

                If Tesla had children, he would swaddle the diapers and not open all of this (he himself said by the way that a lot is revealed to him because he is a virgin)
                Quote: Setrac
                No tax on childlessness, just pay a pension directly from children to parents

                To force to give birth? I don’t know, maybe yes. But often the imposition of something by force comes sideways, here we must weigh everything, for example, will it not turn out so that we will have a lot of homeless children or dysfunctional children?
                1. Setrac
                  Setrac 11 October 2017 16: 39 New
                  +1
                  Quote: SERGUS
                  Of course not, let the old people still be sent to the forest so as not to feed.

                  It was about the sick and not about retirees.
                  Quote: SERGUS
                  And if, for example, a person is barren, and works at the plant for three, will he still be left without a pension?

                  Let him adopt, adopt, adopt.
                  Quote: SERGUS
                  If Tesla had children, then he would swaddle the diaper and not open it all

                  He had to marry - his wife would swaddle.
                  Quote: SERGUS
                  By the way, he himself said that much is revealed to him because he is a virgin

                  This is all pure speculation.
                  Quote: SERGUS
                  To force to give birth?

                  Nobody forces anyone to refuse childless in the "social network" what kind of social assistance they need if they do not fulfill their social duty.
                  1. SERGUS
                    SERGUS 11 October 2017 17: 43 New
                    0
                    Quote: Setrac
                    This is all pure speculation.

                    Tesla speculation ???
                    Quote: Setrac
                    Nobody forces anyone to refuse childless in the "social network"

                    In which ? In retirement? We don’t have it anyway, and many do not survive.
                    Quote: Setrac
                    Let him adopt, adopt, adopt.

                    And if this person lives alone, and the child will grow up in an inferior family. And then we get thousands of adopted people running through the streets. It is necessary to adopt by the will of the heart, and to help such people, and not to go from the opposite: if you do not adopt, you will remain without a pension IMHO.
            2. CONTROL
              CONTROL 11 October 2017 08: 36 New
              +3
              Quote: Stroporez
              Your proposal is very controversial! ....
              .... Therefore, the tax on childlessness is more fair. This is just a certain amount of deductions at a working age, and not excess pensions ......

              ... well, yes, yes ... true, maybe ...
              But: - a family ..., eight (!!!) children! of which four are “sitting”, the rest are being prepared (by virtue of age ..., and so - hell plant it!)? ... in the next house are ...
              1. Setrac
                Setrac 11 October 2017 11: 01 New
                +1
                Quote: CONTROL
                But: - a family ..., eight (!!!) children! of which four are “sitting”, the rest are being prepared (by virtue of age ..., and so - hell plant it!)? ... in the next house are ...

                That is why the pension must be targeted, because it is not enough to give birth, it is necessary to educate correctly.
                1. SERGUS
                  SERGUS 11 October 2017 15: 16 New
                  0
                  Quote: Setrac
                  That is why the pension must be targeted, because it is not enough to give birth, it is necessary to educate correctly.

                  And how to check the "right" education?
                  1. Setrac
                    Setrac 11 October 2017 16: 47 New
                    0
                    Quote: SERGUS
                    And how to check the "right" education?

                    In a natural way - he raised a loafer who does not earn anything - was left without a pension, or rather, at a minimum.
                    In fact, I drew a simplified scheme, the pension should be mixed: a third - a minimum for everyone, a second - from the experience, a third - from the children. But the first part is optional because it produces parasites.
                    1. SERGUS
                      SERGUS 11 October 2017 17: 51 New
                      0
                      Quote: Setrac
                      In a natural way - he raised a loafer who does not earn anything - was left without a pension, or rather, at a minimum.

                      Then the constitution must first be changed, for labor is not voluntary. And it is necessary to put things in order in the country, because how to check whether a person works or not, when half of the country does not work officially.
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      5. SERGUS
        SERGUS 11 October 2017 15: 59 New
        0
        Quote: Setrac
        everything is simple, no children - no pension.

        They scared the cat with a sausage, you can’t take away what is not!
    2. CONTROL
      CONTROL 11 October 2017 08: 46 New
      +1
      Quote: SERGUS
      ... high expenses interfere: a kindergarten, a school - you need a lot of money for this, but what if there are two children? Plus, children often get sick, and medications are not cheap here either. .

      ... "free", but oooh - hhhhhh expensive education!
      ... and "insurance" medicine! insurance - to the point of horror! as my teacher neighbor ...
      -----------------------------
      By the way - why are children in our country get sick so often? Being born completely healthy, after a series of specific vaccinations and "healing" medical procedures - they become "sick" for life, almost disabled ... When ALL doctors know - natural the child’s immunity is formed by 6 years of life! and vaccinations only interfere ...
      About harm - and, objectively, - maliciously done! - only lazy and illiterate does not know! And things are still there - that is, on the edge of the grave ...
      1. SERGUS
        SERGUS 11 October 2017 15: 52 New
        0
        Quote: CONTROL
        Being born completely healthy, after a series of specific vaccinations and “healing” medical procedures, they become “sick” for life, almost disabled ... When ALL doctors know - the child’s natural immunity is formed by 6 years of age!

        ... And this is in the clinics many more doctors who studied in the Union. And soon, as Zadornov says, there will be only managers in the clinic. I have a doctor, a periodontist, who was looking for a medicine for a gum disease in a smartphone, she was looking for a friend! ! !
  7. cedar
    cedar 10 October 2017 18: 03 New
    +1
    Wan, a "golden" billion should live on Earth, and on the tablets of Georgia in general the Russian text reads:

    May the earthly population never does not exceed 500.000.000, being in constant balance with nature.

    Reasonably regulate the birth rate, increasing the value of life preparation and the diversity of mankind.
    Find a new living language that can unite humanity.
    Exercise tolerance in matters of feelings, faith, traditions, and the like.
    May fair laws and an impartial court stand up for the protection of peoples and nations.
    Let each nation decide its own internal affairs by bringing nationwide problems to the world court.
    Avoid petty litigation and useless officials.
    Maintain a balance between personal rights and public responsibilities.
    Above all, value truth, beauty, love, striving for harmony with infinity.
    Do not be a cancerous tumor for the earth, leave space for nature too! "

    Vanya, you don’t notice how the planned reduction of the seven billionth population of the Earth to these 500 million, which will live with all this, is going on ...
    Moreover, there is no place for Russian people in this Eden.
    At the same time, it is stated that in order to achieve the goals of reducing the peoples of the Earth, Satanists have no other word, for Satan is a human killer for centuries, will go to any violations and violations of rights, freedoms, laws and international norms and treaties ...
    Wan, wake up, stretch, look around ... and write another article from which we learn that it finally dawned on you that they are killing you, your family, your people, your humanity and your human nature.
    We wait...
    1. Kenxnumx
      Kenxnumx 10 October 2017 20: 35 New
      0
      Than the Tablets of Georgia did not please you.
      1. CONTROL
        CONTROL 11 October 2017 10: 36 New
        +1
        Quote: Ken71
        Than the Tablets of Georgia did not please you.

        Manifesto of the Antichrist!
      2. CONTROL
        CONTROL 11 October 2017 10: 38 New
        +1
        Quote: Ken71
        Than the Tablets of Georgia did not please you.

      3. CONTROL
        CONTROL 11 October 2017 10: 38 New
        +1
        Quote: Ken71
        Than the Tablets of Georgia did not please you.

    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 10 October 2017 22: 21 New
      0
      It is beneficial for the rich that everyone else is rich the same, the more they consume, the more money the first will have - enterprises are always aimed at increasing production.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 10 October 2017 22: 26 New
        +3
        Quote: Vadim237
        enterprises are always aimed at increasing production.

        And where does the demography?
      2. long in stock.
        long in stock. 11 October 2017 07: 58 New
        +1
        oh I don’t think .. if it arrived somewhere, then it will disappear somewhere. and it will be like now-the increase in production is provided by lowering the cost of goods due to their quality and the use of cheaper labor force. that's all. or you don’t notice that things with a long resource less and less one-time more and they are much cheaper? while along this path, and by the way enough for super-profits and for total advertising of this city ..
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 11 October 2017 09: 31 New
          0
          There are a lot of things with a long resource, but only they cost several times more expensive - not everyone can afford it.
  8. Warnoob
    Warnoob 10 October 2017 18: 43 New
    +2
    Do not get out.
  9. HEATHER
    HEATHER 10 October 2017 18: 55 New
    17
    The apartment will be fertility. The floor of the country lives in dorms, and in removable huts. What do you think, politics, damn it! One-room and a half lama. In the mortgage-2,3 lama! For 30 years in the collar. What are you doing, holding power? With a maximum pay of 30 rubles! Do you want 17 years? Who will give birth in such conditions?
    1. Romey
      Romey 10 October 2017 20: 32 New
      +9
      Wait, they will tell you that all this is not so, that all the yards are studded with foreign cars and that the Russian man has never been so happy. Well, they will add, of course, that if it weren’t for the damned liberals, and as some Roman Romansky said, the “catastrats-procrastinators” were the luminaries of Russian propaganda, then there would generally be a sense of well-being of the air. The funny thing is, the fact of the liberal government of our whole is completely ignored. And who does not think so, that agent of the State Department.
  10. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 10 October 2017 21: 06 New
    +4
    In my provincial opinion, to get out of this pit, it would not hurt to adopt the experience of Ukraine. I must say, people were motivated correctly. Born baby-get cash in cash. And spend as you need. In the Russian Federation there is a certain mat. Capital, which is neither realistic to cash, nor to put into business. There, someone decides for you and decides where you can spend it, and where not. It’s better for the authorities ...
  11. TOR2
    TOR2 10 October 2017 21: 32 New
    +2
    A formal increase in the minimum wage to the level of the subsistence minimum of an able-bodied person, although to some extent helps to alleviate the situation, but does not correct it. And to fix it, it will be necessary to raise not only the minimum wage, but also the size of social benefits.
    And who are the recipients of benefits? And where do they come from? Not so long ago I came across an article about how many post offices in the regions were closed due to the fact that no one wants to work for a meager salary. And there were numbers of various kinds of bonuses and bonuses that management wrote to itself. Maybe it’s worth starting with elementary ordering, and not with manuals.
  12. Normal ok
    Normal ok 10 October 2017 22: 02 New
    +1
    Will we get out of the "demographic hole"?

    Only if at the expense of immigrants from Central Asia and the Caucasus. No other way.
    1. Tatyana
      Tatyana 11 October 2017 01: 25 New
      +7
      Migrants from the CIS countries and especially from Central Asia Indigenous Russians in Russia DO NOT NEED at all !!!
      Foreign migrants have their own ideas about their strategic objectives of their stay in Russia!
      When will the Russians finally cease to be naive ?!
      Look at Europe with the results of Merkel's migration policy! Really examples in practice in the European countries of Russians do not teach anything truthful ?!
      1. CorvusCoraks
        CorvusCoraks 13 October 2017 18: 24 New
        +1
        Quote: Tatiana
        Migrants from the CIS countries and especially from Central Asia Indigenous Russians in Russia DO NOT NEED at all !!!
        Foreign migrants have their own ideas about their strategic objectives of their stay in Russia!
        When will the Russians finally cease to be naive ?!
        Look at Europe with the results of Merkel's migration policy! Really examples in practice in the European countries of Russians do not teach anything truthful ?!

        Don't get angry, fools with red flags never learn anything.
        The current migrants, they are no longer citizens of the Soviet Union, for the most part they have no warm feelings for the indigenous. The predominance of migrants will not bring us anything good, with the exception of the oligarchs, who do not make much difference in hiring 10 jamshuts, who, in half, can replace one van or 1 van.
    2. CorvusCoraks
      CorvusCoraks 13 October 2017 18: 21 New
      +1
      Only it will already be Russia not for the Russians, if we continue to do so further.
  13. Nemesis
    Nemesis 10 October 2017 22: 57 New
    11
    In Russia, the labor code is violated, salaries are not paid in a timely manner, instead of locals, Gaster are hired, laundering money on them. With such a policy of Moscow, the Russian Federation does not expect anything good. All of these heirs to the drunk Boris must be moved, as in the time of Khrushchev. This is the best option.
  14. Belarus is Russia
    Belarus is Russia 10 October 2017 23: 42 New
    +2
    It is clear that the family of young unemployed will first of all think not about how many children to have, but about the elementary survival.
    So it is. Of course, young unemployed people will think — how not to die for themselves, where to live and what to eat — not to die. What kind of children are we talking about? There is nothing to live on and nowhere.
    But there is another problem: the work does not guarantee the wealth needed by the family. Millions of working Russians can not get out of poverty.
    It’s also true. Now they are paying a bowl of stew at work. And how to live for a bowl ??? A bowl of stew so that you can’t stretch your arms and legs from hunger. What kind of wealth can a family need to talk about ????
    The rest are paid more, but not by much: their income level is still below the subsistence level. Deputy Prime Minister Olga Golodets called this situation unique, relating it to the poverty of a working person.
    What can I talk about ???? Here, so as not to die myself.
    1. Victor N
      Victor N 11 October 2017 05: 21 New
      0
      So what? Sit whining?
      Or maybe you should realize that someone knows how to earn money and have children, but you don’t?
      LEARN!
      1. long in stock.
        long in stock. 11 October 2017 08: 05 New
        +2
        well, you know, many who, as you put it, know how to earn money do not have children. I’ll say to myself that I’m not making bad money for a non-capital. I’ve earned an apartment for a long time, but then it was easier with that. but I can’t afford 3 yet. including money. I work alone, and if something happens how they live, the state will not help ...
  15. Belarus is Russia
    Belarus is Russia 10 October 2017 23: 45 New
    +5
    “The process of reducing the absolute number of births” is recognized by the Ministry of Labor and is associated with the “demographic hole” of 1993 – 2006. Because, they say, the current generation of potential parents did not ask. And nothing can be done about it, in the coming years we are doomed to a reduction in population.
    Stop carrying this nonsense! HOW TO THESE PARENTS AND WHAT AND WHERE TO KEEP AND GROW CHILDREN ????? IF TO PARENTS, WITHOUT CHILDREN, DIFFICULT TO SURVIVE ????
  16. Belarus is Russia
    Belarus is Russia 10 October 2017 23: 52 New
    +2
    A business that gives Russians a job still lives according to the rule: to squeeze all that is possible out of the production he has got, and there is no need to grow grass there.
    This approach does not cause anything but condemnation, but business people can be understood.
    Therefore, in business, the very same thieves and grabbers — which simply perpetrate a person!
    but business people can be understood.
    No, it’s impossible to understand. Well, it would be possible to understand if these businessmen would live as people ate crackers with water and live in what kind of lackeys they would vegetate in peasant’s huts, just like their workers. make good money, live in good houses, apartments, drive good cars.No, they cannot be understood! They are just the same thieves and parasitic parasites in humans.
    I'm not talking about good businessmen who also exist. They pay good salaries to people and help families with children. I'm talking about bad ones.
  17. Belarus is Russia
    Belarus is Russia 10 October 2017 23: 59 New
    +1
    He made his contribution and technological breakthrough: there was a completely new layer of activities and entertainment for social groups that are traditionally at risk. Young people began to spend less time on the street for illegal and dangerous activities, but more and more sit on the Internet (although there is not all right) or playing computer toys.
    And what's wrong with spending time on the street ??? On the street, there is also much that can be done useful and good. For your information, the author is at risk in sitting at the computer. Small mobility is bad for the body. Questionable sites terrorist and violent in nature. Any scammers, lurers. Playing all day in computer toys is also not good.
    1. CONTROL
      CONTROL 11 October 2017 08: 22 New
      +3
      Quote: Belarus is Russia
      He made his contribution and technological breakthrough: there was a completely new layer of activities and entertainment for social groups that are traditionally at risk. Young people began to spend less time on the street for illegal and dangerous activities, but more and more sit on the Internet (although there is not all right) or playing computer toys.
      And what's wrong with spending time on the street ??? On the street, there are also many things you can do useful and good ..

      ...Where are they!?
      Where - I ask you! ... after all ... - circles and sections of children's and youthful creativity, sports, technical, needlework, tourist ... and all sorts of other equally useful!
      And - Free, as in the days of our "miserable" Soviet childhood !?
      ---------------------------
      ... something more and more "commercial" enterprises and institutions ... Of the free ones - only the "Yeltsin Center" ...
      ---------------------------
      In our Sunday school at the local church, I organized a puppet show for girls, here you also do needlework - the dolls themselves ... (sports - I don’t risk it — the girls are all the same, and I’m illiterate in their “affairs” ...) And for the guys - military sports, tourism - "survival courses", I invited three trainers - former paratroopers, a marine and an artilleryman ... for free (the most "senior -" a real colonel ")! They themselves are happy to do it - even buy equipment, tickets there - for the poor guys - the "poor", as they are called ... Why are they embarrassed - they are the poor ... nothing, the whole world - we will not let the abyss! ... (by the way - they are learning something excellent! that's what is typical. ..)
      ... well, so on ...
  18. XXXIII
    XXXIII 11 October 2017 01: 11 New
    +2
    Come on, to raise a panic, whoever can do it, but life is harmful, there are no easy ways .... It is important that there is a healthy nation and a strong, albeit few, but a dead pile can be overwhelmed ..... drinks
  19. tasha
    tasha 11 October 2017 06: 30 New
    +6
    One of the reasons families are wary of having children is their insecurity about tomorrow. Too many shocks, crises, changes and vague prospects.
    There is already more philosophy here - but why live? What country do you want to see?
  20. CONTROL
    CONTROL 11 October 2017 08: 05 New
    +2
    When I hear on TV: "... over the past six months, the real incomes of Russians have increased significantly," I understand that I can’t be ranked among the Russians! ... So who am I?
    ------------------------------------
    ... inspired, I remembered from somewhere:
    "Night.
    I'm lying on someone else's wife,
    The blanket stuck to the pope ...
    Stamping footage home country -
    To spite bourgeois Europe! ... "
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 11 October 2017 08: 13 New
      +5
      Quote: CONTROL
      When I hear on TV: "... over the past six months, the real incomes of Russians have increased significantly," I understand that I can’t be ranked among the Russians! ... So who am I?

      Gastrabiker, probably ...
  21. CONTROL
    CONTROL 11 October 2017 08: 08 New
    +1
    while the interest rate on loans - and business loans, and consumer, and mortgage ... and all the rest! - it will not be lower than 2%, there’s nothing to dream of a real rise in production, nor of a “demography”!
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 11 October 2017 09: 33 New
      0
      In order to increase production volumes, it is necessary to look for new sales markets and come up with something new - in different areas, since the competition is fierce everywhere.
      1. Stalingradpobeda
        Stalingradpobeda 11 October 2017 15: 52 New
        +1
        In order to increase production volumes, one must not seek new markets, but be able to fight well.
  22. Alex66
    Alex66 11 October 2017 08: 57 New
    +1
    All the problems we have from the fact that they are not dealt with by specialists (deputies, artists, lawyers, athletes, politicians) are institutions, that they cannot develop a program, they can, so that our deputies are writhing, let them state the finished.
    1. CorvusCoraks
      CorvusCoraks 13 October 2017 18: 35 New
      +1
      Just then there will be no need for them
  23. Boris25
    Boris25 11 October 2017 09: 16 New
    +2
    I have one question for the author, do you personally have how many children ?? When they give birth a lot, then we will get out of the pit. And it’s not a matter of money, but of heads. And in the minds of our youth, iPhones, cars and nihs. Rena not do at work ...
  24. E_V_N
    E_V_N 11 October 2017 09: 50 New
    +2
    To solve the demographic problem, first of all, affordable housing is needed, and free of charge according to social standards. The problems of the young family arise precisely because of the lack of housing conditions. Living with parents means worsening their and their parents' living conditions. To rent or buy your home is a huge burden on the budget of a young family and the budget of parents for many years. Having given house-building in private hands, the State made a huge mistake digging this “demographic hole” for itself. And here no economic tricks will help, because any "infusion" into the budget of a young family by the State simply leads to a proportional increase in the cost of housing. (as an example, the price of housing in Moscow and the provinces due to the difference in incomes). There is only one way out of the pit. State housing construction and free distribution of housing according to social standards.
  25. Dobroslav2015
    Dobroslav2015 11 October 2017 09: 59 New
    +1
    Very relevant article. From personal experience, as the father of three children (3,9 years; 2,4 years and the youngest 4 months), I know that with the support of large families, at least in Voronezh, the situation is very sad.
    Since January 2017, all cash payments for the birth of a third child have been canceled (more precisely, only those with an income below the subsistence minimum can apply for them). And the living wage, oddly enough in Voronezh and the region despite the increase in inflation, has decreased twice (at the end of 2016 and at the beginning of 2017 and “moved” from 9000 rubles to almost 8000 rubles). The authorities reported back to that (in the region The minimum wage is almost equal to the cost of living). Yes, and claimants for payments diminished.
    Special thanks to the employer (at the enterprise where I work for large families they pay 10 rubles a month, very tangible support), but this is a special case. And the state and local administration are not of any kind of hope.
  26. Seraphimamur
    Seraphimamur 11 October 2017 10: 55 New
    +3
    Dumb article money and prosperity is not the main thing. Having children is not prestigiously not fashionable and all the media unobtrusively trumpet this. Why children, when money can be spent on a loved one. Why does a woman need diapers when she can be realized and show off in a team. It is necessary not to deal with arithmetic, but to educate the younger generation, and yet to raise material conditions.
    1. kudma
      kudma 11 October 2017 16: 20 New
      0
      I agree with you. Yesterday I rode a minibus so every third iPhone in my hand for 30-50 thousand. And they themselves shout that it is expensive to give birth to children and raise them. I am the only one working my wife on maternity leave with a salary of 30 thousand. We’re building a house on the sly, the car is old but I have a phone and I have 1500 rubles. It all depends on desire
  27. Setrac
    Setrac 11 October 2017 17: 08 New
    0
    Quote: SERGUS
    Have come ... from the questions of demography reached the gophers

    Judging by the fact that you did not understand what it was about - are you a foreigner?
  28. Setrac
    Setrac 11 October 2017 17: 17 New
    0
    Quote: SERGUS
    Well, in what abundance, what are you saying, half of the country lives in our country from paycheck to paycheck. Clothing, soup and odnushka in a mortgage - is this your income?

    Take an interest in a mortgage in Japan for example. Odnushka in the city is worth more than an apartment building in the village, maybe if it’s so hard for you, is it better for you to move to the village? If there is no money at all, you can build a house with your own hands, grow food in the garden ...
  29. Belarus is Russia
    Belarus is Russia 11 October 2017 18: 11 New
    +4
    Quote: Victor N
    So what? Sit whining?
    Or maybe you should realize that someone knows how to earn money and have children, but you don’t?
    LEARN!

    Or maybe it’s worth admitting that someone is simply stealing from the people. And the people who even work do not want to pay. The privatizer of some of the nineties has grabbed and sits, and he put big and fat on the people. And then he’ll attach his sons and daughters more. For large salaries and positions, turn the people around.
    LEARN!

    Do not pretend to be a fool. My parents studied. We got a good education and profession. Even in the USSR, in 70-80, they were paid. And now ?? - A bowl of pottage is paid to them for their labors.
    I studied and work. A lot of where I worked, the attitude after the collapse of the USSR is everywhere. Now I have found hard work. Yes, I get it. But in such a job I would collect a good apartment for myself in three years. I DO NOT EVEN PUT IN ISHAU. An irregular working day, almost seven days a week, for twelve hours, is harmful and difficult working conditions. Not everyone can, not everyone has health, and not everyone can, who has that health-people in vain -Do not pull, do not physically pull, does not allow the body, body, endurance, health, tension, op
    unsatisfactory and harmful working conditions. My situation is SLAVE. Everything is violated for us, EVERYTHING is against people. Only so that the SLAB plowed and slacked and was silent and said only: "Yes, yes, yes, my lord, now I’ll do it. Oh my lord for your kindness because you give me a meal of a bowl of pottage so as not to die until tomorrow, thank you lord for your generosity "
    Stop carrying bullshit! I don’t know how in Russia the Russian Orthodox, but in Belarus, everything is just that.
    What are our laws-invented by the silly Lukashenka-unemployed tax and raising the retirement age. This is where the unemployed can take money for this silly tax-if the unemployed -NERWHERE TO EARN THEM ??? And he didn’t die because his parents contain, brothers or sisters, husband or wife, children.
    And this increase in retirement age is idiocy! Those grandmothers at 55 years old and grandfathers at 60, law enforcement agencies, at 45 years of age, and so they barely drag their legs, barely live up to this return, and here they raise your retirement age! If a person can DO IT, VOLUNTARY AND OF YOUR OWN DOES WANTS TO WORK — let him work. But do not force those people who do not want and cannot after reaching retirement age to do it: power structures and military - at 45 years old, men at 60 years old, women at 55 years old!
    1. Belarus is Russia
      Belarus is Russia 11 October 2017 18: 25 New
      +2
      What are our laws-invented by the silly Lukashenka-unemployed tax and raising the retirement age. This is where the unemployed can take money for this silly tax-if the unemployed -NERWHERE TO EARN THEM ??? And he didn’t die because his parents contain, brothers or sisters, husband or wife, children.
      And this increase in retirement age is idiocy! Those grandmothers at 55 years old and grandfathers at 60, law enforcement agencies, at 45 years of age, and so they barely drag their legs, barely live to this age, and here they raise your retirement age! If a person can DO IT AND OF YOUR OWN DOES WANTS TO WORK — let him work. But do not force those people who do not want and cannot after reaching retirement age to do it: power structures and military — 45 years old, men 60 years old, women 55 years old!
      Of course, thieves, privatizers, who stole and only give their sons and yes daughters power over people, positions, salaries, they don’t do a fuck. They sit, fart and they only live. So they can live up to 120 years. So they - they raised a pension for themselves. And how to work after 45,55,60 years for grandparents, hard workers, collective farmers, loaders, a welder
      m and mighty others, whose work is hard, harmful, dangerous ???
      And it pushes you and wants to do it, or has already done the enemy of Russia Russian Orthodox, the enemy of the Russian Orthodox, the enemy of the people of Russia Russian Orthodox, Alexei Kudrin.
      This is the Alexei Kudrin-FSB must be arrested, his property confiscated and handed out to the workers, collective farmers and other people working and smart and hardworking and allowed to help families with children — and he, Alexei Kudrin, should be sent to explore the Russian Far East Russian Orthodox or where there, for that bowl of stew — which the Russian Orthodox receive in Russia — the Russian Orthodox, the people of Russia the Russian Orthodox. And until such a retirement age — until which this Alexei Kudrin suggested raising it!
    2. Belarus is Russia
      Belarus is Russia 11 October 2017 18: 38 New
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      Do not pretend to be a fool. My parents studied. We got a good education and profession. Even in the USSR, in 70-80, they were paid. And now ?? - A bowl of pottage is paid to them for their labors.

      Oh yes. I haven’t written yet that my parents are pensioners. I haven’t yet touched upon their increase in the retirement age. So, they receive their pension, just in the bowl of soup. 200 rubles each.
      At the price of bread, we have 1 ruble with kopecks. A liter of milk with fat content of 3.6-1 ruble with kopecks. Utilities-more than a hundred rubles. Someone very saves, very, fits into one hundred rubles. And so one hundred and fifty approximately.
      And the workers at us, in MINSK, ordinary hard workers in factories receive 400 rubles each. On collective farms, even less. And they work every single day for this bowl of pottage.
      And how to live and feed children besides themselves on such salaries ??? To put on clothes, shoes, soap and detergents, medicines, if you get sick. To collect them at school. + Utilities. And this, if you have your own apartment, your own apartment. And how do those who rent apartments ??? - That is, pay for utilities and + more for the housing itself to the homeowner. More than half of Belarus does not have their own housing, because they cannot make money on it!
      ??
      And yes, I just wrote about bread and milk. As soon as we can afford it. And meat is a holiday, count it once a month. And that's not all.
      1. Belarus is Russia
        Belarus is Russia 11 October 2017 18: 50 New
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        I don’t know how things are in your Russian Orthodox Church in Russia.
        But when in Belarus this silly Lukashenko begins to be delirious on television, how nice and beautiful we are that the state is socially oriented, and in Belarus, we are great and jumpy, we live and we have statehood, it’s for people , for the people, in people, nausea begins and vomiting and it’s already ANNUAL!
        Yes. One merit of Lukashenka is all the same. All of these 25 since the collapse of the USSR with his Lukashenov’s rule is something that we don’t have a war. Something, there’s no war. life and health of people. At any time of the day, at least during the day, at least at night, anywhere in the country, Belarus, you can safely let go of children, a wife or children with a wife - without fear for their life and health and property - that no one will kill them, cripples, does not take away health, does not take away property. And you yourself can not be afraid of anything like that. And at the expense of this, our power structures love and adore.
        But the rest, Lukashenko-brought people and people-just the next world! All! At least go to his square and die from hopelessness in front of his eyes. Believe me, this is a complete PPC.
  30. Belarus is Russia
    Belarus is Russia 11 October 2017 19: 22 New
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    He made his contribution and technological breakthrough: there was a completely new layer of activities and entertainment for social groups that are traditionally at risk. Young people began to spend less time on the street for illegal and dangerous activities, but more and more sit on the Internet (although there is not all right) or playing computer toys.

    Sitting at the computer for days, and even more so playing computer games for days is not good, but rather harmful both psychologically and physically. A person doesn’t develop in any way. Instead of spending this time on his development, both mental and and the physical person simply spends his time going nowhere and ruins his health. He only sits and plays computer toys as a small child. The level of development is falling, his physical, psychological state and health are falling. It has been scientifically proven that physical exercises have a good effect on brain: blood circulation is better, the brain is better supplied with oxygen. The physical condition of the body, nervous system, motility, skeleton, muscles, and internal organs are improved.
    And in a sedentary lifestyle, it all dystrophies, weakens, loses its properties and a person ages and gets sick faster and more often.
    In addition, children can be involved in terrorist organizations at the computer. Well, in general, any ... is enough.
    But I'm not in any way against computers and all that. Even games can and should be played.I am against sitting behind them all day.Well, let it be three or four hours a day, for example. If a person has time after work. There, for two hours, play-watch the news and comment on them. Children, no more than three hours. Well, maybe more, who allows time and day off for example .
    I love playing real-time strategy myself. Star craft, 40 warhammer.
    Well, like, I always play Russian Orthodox for Russia, for the Russian Orthodox. That is, any race in the game that I play is for me Russia Russian Orthodox, Russian Orthodox. And she WINS under my leadership. It helps how to think on the scale of defense as a state. Helps to think for yourself and for the enemy in real time. But not the whole day.
    Here the author, oh, how wrong you are. Generally, wrong.
  31. Belarus is Russia
    Belarus is Russia 11 October 2017 19: 34 New
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    Quote: Ken71
    Socialism has already shown its complete wretchedness and hopelessness. Even his ability to jerk does not save in the long run. Lack of interest in profit kills labor productivity.

    Lies!
    I remember myself in the USSR, and my parents say people who found the 70-80s of the USSR, they all say it was better. I repeat, I don’t know what your situation is in Russia — Russian Orthodox, Russian Orthodox, Russian people, Russian Orthodox.
  32. Belarus is Russia
    Belarus is Russia 11 October 2017 19: 36 New
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    Quote: Ken71
    Socialism of the USSR model died in view of its non-competitiveness.
    Socialism of the USSR model died because those in power and at the helm simply divided the country among themselves as little princes into small knyatsva. In the CIS. And with the help of privatization, they took the property of the people and the state.
    I still haven’t said everything.
    1. Petrol cutter
      Petrol cutter 11 October 2017 20: 53 New
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      There is no reason to disagree with you. For almost all points there is a similar picture. hi
  33. Dedall
    Dedall 12 October 2017 00: 10 New
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    What are your plans? Have you read the published version of the Ost plan? It clearly says that in the Slavic lands the birth rate of only the necessary contingent will be stimulated. We can also name indigenous inhabitants of television screens as such. For example, take the same Kabaeva. How much has she given birth? That's it.
    And according to the Hitler plan, the use of contraceptives is stimulated in every way. Does this look like anything?
    If you forget, then sit an hour in front of the TV and be sure to hear a couple of times about reliable protection.
    But nevertheless, the most important birth control factor is the material side of our life. And here everyone will say how much though the same pram costs. And the clothes !? The child is growing. But for some reason, the very first fruits of the "democratic" transformations were the introduction of VAT for children's clothing and other goods. What about collecting a child for school ?! In short, young couples will think a hundred times before having children.
  34. Belarus is Russia
    Belarus is Russia 12 October 2017 00: 14 New
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    Quote: Benzorez
    There is no reason to disagree with you. For almost all points there is a similar picture. hi

    All the same, in Russia the Russian Orthodox affairs are much better than in Belarus. At least these video proofs.


    You’re especially pleased with the appearance of such officials and government officials and businessmen as you see in this video. At the end. The time is human. Now your businessmen, officials, and wealthy people are investing RUSSIAN ORTHODOX IN RUSSIA, IN RUSSIAN ORTHODOX PEOPLE ORTHODOX.
    At the end of the videos, the channel has the addresses of these enterprises, factories, social facilities, collective farms, farms, scientific forges, YOU HAVE ANYWHERE TO WORK AND EARN. YOU IN RUSSIA THE RUSSIAN ORTHODOX IS MUCH BETTER THAN US-IN BELARUS. Watch these videos and look for work-in these new factories and facilities. And in Belarus we have ANYTHING THERE!
    In addition, the military reception video cycle on a modern, powerful, smart, technologically advanced and the best army on Earth is about the Russian Orthodox Church in Russia.
    1. Belarus is Russia
      Belarus is Russia 12 October 2017 00: 28 New
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      You’re especially pleased with the appearance of such officials and government officials and businessmen as you see in this video. At the end. The time is human. Now your businessmen, officials, and wealthy people are investing RUSSIAN ORTHODOX IN RUSSIA, IN RUSSIAN ORTHODOX PEOPLE ORTHODOX.
      1. Belarus is Russia
        Belarus is Russia 12 October 2017 00: 36 New
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        Putin is not bad. Putin is to crush and remove such traitors from Russia as Russian Orthodox, Russian Orthodox, Russian people like Russian Alexei Kudrin with confiscation of property - and send them to the Far East to master Russian Orthodox Russia for that bowl of pottage and on those conditions that are such Alexei Kudrina offer Russian Orthodox, the people of Russia Russian Orthodox, workers and scientists.
        Many will ask why I got hung up on this Alexei Kudrin — and you look on YouTube — there is a video where this Alexei Kudrin offers and promotes laws such as the unemployment tax (he calls it the medical tax type, but the point is not after all, they’re going to collect, after all, from the unemployed) and how this Alksey Kudrin enthusiastically talks about raising the retirement age. Here it is - with the confiscation of property and the drive to explore the Russian Far East as Russian Orthodox on the conditions that it offers the Russian Orthodox, the people of Russia the Russian Orthodox. Let them experience all the charm of their laws in their own skin. With the confiscation of property. We already in Belarus from such we’re stretching laws-legs. In general, to gather a rally for Putin and the Kremlin’s Spassky Tower — so that he would send this kudrin just to confiscate property to explore the undeveloped borders of the great expanses of Russia’s vast Russian Orthodox. until night for a bowl of pottage!
      2. Belarus is Russia
        Belarus is Russia 12 October 2017 01: 34 New
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        And this is a selection of social objects that were opened in two weeks in Russia by Russian Orthodox, Russian Orthodox, the people of Russia Russian Orthodox.
  35. Belarus is Russia
    Belarus is Russia 12 October 2017 00: 49 New
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    Quote: Karen
    I remembered the program on your TV about 20 years ago. They showed about one Yezidi that he promised to bring 10000 non-drinking bull-calves of his nationality to Tambov to solve demographics in this area.

    Very stupid comment. We ourselves are “bull-calves” are not bad. And we can inseminate females around the clock. It talks about how to keep, where to keep, feed, shoe, dress, treat their offspring. If it’s even difficult to feed yourself. With sex system, we are fine. And we don’t need other people's "bulls." ....
  36. Belarus is Russia
    Belarus is Russia 12 October 2017 00: 59 New
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    It is necessary to remove these current salaries to the chief directors, and to cut the bureaucrats. It is necessary to make sure that the salaries of the chiefs, the most important directors there, depend on the salaries of their lowest paid subordinates. For example, the director of a plant, let him get three times more than his lowest paid employee. Well, who is he with the lowest paid ?? For example, a cleaner. We transfer to Belarusian salaries. Somewhere we get 100-200 rubles a month. And the director of a factory, 100 thousand a month. What is this ???? So that the director receives as much as the whole workshop of workers cannot earn in a month? So, let the director’s salary be cut. And they will make his salary be three times the salary of the lowest paid worker-employee of him. If the cleaner receives 100 rubles- the director is 100 * 3 = 300 rubles, but that’s already, not a hundred thousand already)))), as the NS now has in Belarus. Then these bosses will think how to raise the salary of employees, their workers. Because their salary will depend on the salary their lowest paid employee.
  37. Belarus is Russia
    Belarus is Russia 12 October 2017 01: 21 New
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    Quote: Belarus is Russia
    Quote: Karen
    I remembered the program on your TV about 20 years ago. They showed about one Yezidi that he promised to bring 10000 non-drinking bull-calves of his nationality to Tambov to solve demographics in this area.

    Very stupid comment. We ourselves are “bull-calves” are not bad. And we can inseminate females around the clock. It talks about how to keep, where to keep, feed, shoe, dress, treat their offspring. If it’s even difficult to feed yourself. With sex system, we are fine. And we don’t need other people's "bulls." ....

    Every man and woman wants their child. HIS OFFERING, CONTINUING YOURSELF-ITS IMPROVED COPY-myself-little man. In the end, no one will help them in old age. Only your child, your child. But do not give birth, in such circumstances, just to give birth and this child died from hunger and cold, because there is nothing to eat and nowhere to live. It's already a mockery of just babies.
  38. Belarus is Russia
    Belarus is Russia 12 October 2017 01: 45 New
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    Quote: E_V_N
    To solve the demographic problem, first of all, affordable housing is needed, and free of charge according to social standards. The problems of the young family arise precisely because of the lack of housing conditions. Living with parents means worsening their and their parents' living conditions. To rent or buy your home is a huge burden on the budget of a young family and the budget of parents for many years. Having given house-building in private hands, the State made a huge mistake digging this “demographic hole” for itself. And here no economic tricks will help, because any "infusion" into the budget of a young family by the State simply leads to a proportional increase in the cost of housing. (as an example, the price of housing in Moscow and the provinces due to the difference in incomes). There is only one way out of the pit. State housing construction and free distribution of housing according to social standards.

    I very much agree with you here and fully support you here. I have already commented many times about the fact that the best help is good salaries for workers so that one person can earn one for a good two-room apartment for five years. And in addition to a good salary for people working so that the state gives FREE HOUSING to FAMILIES WITH CHILDREN, but so that it pays a good salary to dad and mom (and so that mummy's maternity leave is part of the work experience, this stupid Lukashenka put us on maternity leave women). Tomorrow we will continue in this topic. Late today.
    1. Belarus is Russia
      Belarus is Russia 12 October 2017 01: 54 New
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      If I have any questions, where do I have time to sit with my computer, I got sick. My work is hard. On sick leave (.. I wrote above about my work.
  39. Loginoff
    Loginoff 12 October 2017 06: 02 New
    +3
    With salaries of 10-20 thousand in my city, what kind of demography can I talk about?
  40. Yoshi
    Yoshi 12 October 2017 07: 58 New
    0
    The Caucasus will help get out of the demographic pit. More money there - more grown "kids" here (see statistics).
  41. Radikal
    Radikal 14 October 2017 15: 03 New
    +1
    Will we get out of the "demographic hole"?
    If we return from capitalism to socialism, then it could very well be ...! belay
    1. Victor N
      Victor N 15 October 2017 04: 26 New
      0
      Grandmother is lying in the ward in the stool - there is no one to look .........