Source: RKS management stole funds allocated for GLONASS

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The leaders of the Russian Space Systems plant and the managers of CJSC Mercury were sent to court for embezzling almost 400 million rubles allocated for the Glonass-M spacecraft system, a source familiar with the situation said.

Currently, a criminal case under the h. 4 Art. The 159 Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, instituted against the managers of the Russian Space Systems plant, Krylova I. A., Tolmacheva V. I. and ZAO Mercury, Polyakova A.V. and Diorditsa A.V., went to the Ostankinsky court of Moscow for essentially
- Said the source agency.



Source: RKS management stole funds allocated for GLONASS


According to him, these persons have committed the embezzlement of budget funds under contracts concluded with ZAO Mercury, allegedly for the production of assembly units for the Glonass-M spacecraft allocated to Russian Space Systems. Damage from fraud amounted to about 400 million rubles.

Currently, measures are taken to compensate for the damage. Thus, the property of one of the managers of the RKS Krylov I.A. plant and his wife were seized for a total amount over 58 million rubles, and the remaining defendants compensate the damage voluntarily. As of September 23, about 20 million rubles were reimbursed.
said the interlocutor.

He also noted that the investigation qualified the actions of the defendants in the case as the embezzlement of budget money in an organized group, corruption in the military-industrial complex under the federal target program “Supporting the development and use of the GLONASS system for 2012-2020”, reports TASS
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  1. +27
    9 October 2017 18: 44
    Currently, measures are taken to compensate for the damage. Thus, the property of one of the managers of the RKS Krylov I.A. plant and his wife were seized for a total amount over 58 million rubles, and the remaining defendants compensate the damage voluntarily. As of September 23, about 20 million rubles were reimbursed.
    said the interlocutor.
    I didn’t understand something, but where they will be “house arrest”, if everything is confiscated from them, apparently they’ll let go “sit out” abroad ... And of course, “severely”, 400 were stolen - 20 were returned, they completely returned people “to stole the threads "
    1. +30
      9 October 2017 18: 47
      No, well, that’s how I would agree, I stole 400, but I gave 20. I have a normal debit credit, and let the property be taken away !!!
      1. +6
        9 October 2017 18: 49
        Quote: Komsomol
        No, well, that’s how I would agree, I stole 400, but I gave 20. I have a normal debit credit, and let the property be taken away !!!

        It remains to find where the "extra" 400 lyam lie ...
        1. +10
          9 October 2017 18: 52
          And take Chubais hostage until all the money is returned! smile
          1. +4
            9 October 2017 19: 16
            And take hostages every time in the event of theft? To the wall!
            Quote: Thrall
            And take Chubais hostage until all the money is returned! smile
            1. +16
              9 October 2017 19: 28
              Quote: 210ox
              And take hostages every time in the event of theft? To the wall!

              Yes Yes.
              Quote: svp67
              It remains to find where the "extra" 400 lyam lie ...

              Yes it is known where. As soon as the defendants share with anyone they need, they will receive several years in colonies or settlements, and after a couple of months they will receive an amnesty for any thread of “merit” in the form of a refund. We have already done this more than once.

              The question is for the “Uriapatriots” - in the normal fight against corruption, what thread would anyone take a look at? laughing A rhetorical question ...
              1. +9
                9 October 2017 19: 51
                Quote: iConst
                in the normal fight against corruption, what thread would anyone take a chance on?

                "Normal fight" is how? Got a recipe? Announce.
                Here, in general, we are not talking about corruption, but banal theft.
                1. +12
                  9 October 2017 20: 04
                  Quote: Monos
                  it’s not about corruption, but banal theft.

                  laughing laughing wassat wassat
                  Almost half a billion - commonplace theft ??????????????????????????
                  Aha - accidentally for five minutes left half a yard unattended. Passed by - grabbed corny ... Tryndets! laughing
                  Who else thinks so? lol

                  No, really rzhunimagupatstalom .... corny .. What more to talk about? Recipe...
                  1. +8
                    9 October 2017 20: 33
                    Quote: iConst
                    What further to talk about?

                    That is, there is no recipe? What a pity. And we had such hopes ... All of humanity, which had been fighting corruption for more than a thousand years, held its breath waiting: "Here he is. Here is this genius, titan, giant who will free us from corruption." Oh, not fused. Corruption won again. smile
                    1. +7
                      9 October 2017 20: 49
                      Quote: Monos
                      Quote: iConst
                      What further to talk about?

                      That is, there is no recipe? What a pity. And we had such hopes ... All of humanity, which had been fighting corruption for more than a thousand years, held its breath waiting: "Here he is. Here is this genius, titan, giant who will free us from corruption." Oh, not fused. Corruption won again. smile

                      Am I a doctor to write prescriptions? laughing

                      Yes, and why do you need the recipe - everything is all right with you: after all, to whistle half a lard is "normal" and "banal." laughing laughing
                      1. +6
                        9 October 2017 21: 10
                        Quote: iConst
                        because whistling half a lard is "normal" and "corny."

                        I didn’t think that you were so tormented by the word "corny." It seems to be an ordinary word, not obscene ... Oh, maybe you just envy these people? So do not, it's empty. Well, you do not know how to steal in such volumes and do not. Less concern. Then think about how to hide them, where to invest, what to buy ... Again, problems with conscience and the law ... No, there is nothing to envy.
                      2. +8
                        9 October 2017 21: 56
                        Quote: Monos
                        Quote: iConst
                        because whistling half a lard is "normal" and "corny."

                        I didn’t think that you were so tormented by the word "corny." It seems to be an ordinary word, not obscene ... Oh, maybe you just envy these people? So do not, it's empty. Well, you do not know how to steal in such volumes and do not. Less concern. Then think about how to hide them, where to invest, what to buy ... Again, problems with conscience and the law ... No, there is nothing to envy.

                        Oooo. Went golemy, but - not - banal trolling ... laughing
                        I also know how. wassat But I don’t want to - it’s all boring - for what? This is just empty.

                        If theft for you on such a scale (this is not the first case) and the inhibition of such programs as GLONASS for years, on which - for a minute - no less than the country's defense is dependent, is "normal" and "commonplace", then ... then even it makes no sense to say anything.
                      3. +8
                        9 October 2017 22: 21
                        Quote: iConst
                        on which - for a minute - no less than the country's defense capability depends

                        Recipe! Let's recipe. And then turn on the pathos. Agitate for all the good, against all the bad - this is to Navalner. We do not need.
                      4. +2
                        10 October 2017 01: 00
                        Quote: Monos
                        Quote: iConst
                        on which - for a minute - no less than the country's defense capability depends

                        Recipe! Let's recipe. And then turn on the pathos. Agitate for all the good, against all the bad - this is to Navalner. We do not need.

                        Still can not calm down? laughing Heh ...
                        Suppose that there was no pathos - you slap your tongue in vain. It is necessary to take lessons from you. I admit - you have excellent trolling. How much do you take for a lesson? laughing

                        And again - where did you see the agitation? And whom am I campaigning for? And - most importantly - why? All chocolate!
                        You, with psilocybin, are more careful ... wassat

                        And the recipe is simple: take haloperidol as soon as something is frozen. And everything will be okay! laughing
                    2. +10
                      9 October 2017 20: 59
                      Quote: Monos
                      That is, there is no recipe? What a pity.

                      Unfortunately, there is no recipe for greed. But you can kill with fear. Although it does not always help. There is a story (?) About Peter 1, who asked one of the bureaucrats: "How much salary do you need so that you do not steal?" He scratched his turnip, announced the amount, Peter appointed. Only to no avail. When this bureaucrat was led to the gallows, he went and muttered: "The demon beguiled."
                      1. +9
                        9 October 2017 21: 17
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        Only to no avail. When this bureaucrat was led to the gallows, he went and muttered: "The demon beguiled."

                        That’s it, that it’s useless. In China, over 16 years, 10 thousands of bureaucrats were shot for corruption. So what? But nothing. About 100 thousand more are sitting. Corruption was, is and will be. And people who raise the slogan of the fight against corruption to the flag or are eager for the feeder, or crooks, or fools.
                      2. 0
                        11 October 2017 19: 01
                        Quote: mordvin xnumx

                        the bureaucrat was led to the gallows, walked and muttered: "The demon beguiled."
                        GLONASS --- an important state program. Is it just theft, theft? Maybe there is a more serious article?
                    3. +4
                      10 October 2017 05: 36
                      Of course it's a pity.
                      Only the other.
                      The fight against corruption is a fight against the investigation, not the cause.
                      It's like fighting hemp by collecting its seeds.
                      Next year it will bloom even more magnificent!

                      Although corruption is considered a separate crime in the Criminal Code, it is based on the very commonplace theft.
                      Those. desire to appropriate another's.
                      And no matter whose it is, someone else's, private or public.
                      Get yourself something that by definition cannot be yours.
                      Assign for sitting on distribution or paying for services.

                      And so that a complex equation can be solved, it must be broken down into simple components.
                      Then it is solved.
                      But what is the root cause of the human desire to become richer, wealthier, to appropriate an increasing number of movable and immovable property - do you need to explain this?
                      From each iron there is an advertisement for apartments, cars, things, the cost of which for an ordinary person having a total family income of 50-60 thousand rubles is perceived as absolutely stunning.
                      Who are these products and services for?
                      After all, the salary in the Russian Federation for a very limited circle of people allows it all to pay.
                      But the real amount sold is much larger. Thousands of times.
                      Hence the desire arises.
                      And desire often replaces moral principles. Which, however, is already gone.
                      That's the whole recipe.
                      On a surface.
                      Take away the temptation.
                      Create a different cult. Not things, but principles.
                      Maybe help.
                      And if this does not help, then of course!
                    4. 0
                      10 October 2017 12: 34
                      1937 year to repeat. - The only proven effective recipe. adjusted for today's realities.
                2. +4
                  10 October 2017 00: 01
                  Quote: Monos
                  Here, in general, we are not talking about corruption, but banal theft.

                  golem corruption
                  1. RKS, although it is a joint-stock company, but it is a Russian enterprise of the rocket and space industry (state-owned enterprise), created on the basis of the federal state unitary enterprise “Russian Research Institute of Space Instrument Making” (FSUE “RNII KP”).
                  2. CJSC Mercury ...
                  I won’t even rummage through arbitration (I would like to find out the tax number of the INN / PSRN) and further on nalog.ru, I can see from the statement who the owner is.
                  Private traders, 99%
                  3. p.1 + p2. almost 100%

                  Corruption can be affected by any official who has discretionary power in the distribution of any resources that do not belong to him at his discretion (official, deputy, judge, law enforcement officer, administrator, etc.). The main incentive for corruption is the possibility of obtaining economic profits (rents) associated with the use of power, and the main deterrent is the risk of exposure and punishment.

                  For your information:
                  Anti-corruption, direct from the RKS website

                  http://russianspacesystems.ru/holding/protivodeys
                  tvie-korrupcii /
                  What you need to know about corruption
                  + Regulatory and other acts in the field of anti-corruption
                  + Anti-corruption expertise
                  + Methodological materials
                  + Anti-corruption document forms to fill out
                  + Information about income, property and property obligations
                  + Commission on compliance with the requirements for official conduct and conflict of interest
                  + Feedback for corruption reports

                  Quote: Monos
                  Got a recipe? Announce.

                  Yes iConst is right ... well, what is the recipe?

                  In 2007, Chairman of the Russian National Anti-Corruption Committee, Kirill Kabanov, said that there was no fight against corruption in Russia: arrests of middle-level officials did not violate the bribery system, and anti-corruption policies were not developed

                  I didn’t say Uncle Sue

                  =========================================
                  And here he is right.
                  Here is the answer

                  Moscow Arbitration Court dismissed the claim of FSUE Engineering and Technical Center of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation against its former head Valery Puzikov, son-in-law of ex-head of the military department Anatoly Serdyukov. Military merchants expected to recover more than 23,6 million rubles, claiming that Mr. Puzikov and his successor as director of the Federal State Unitary Enterprise, Valery Sedov, caused major damage to the enterprise. The arbitration decided that the data from the decree of the investigator who stopped the criminal prosecution of the FSUE’s ex-leaders, to which the plaintiffs referred, were only his “judgments”, and not indisputable evidence.
                  1. +8
                    10 October 2017 00: 16
                    Quote: opus
                    Well, what is the recipe?

                    Yes, you know, there is a recipe: not to give it to yourself (neither to traffic cops, nor to doctors, not to firefighters, to anyone), not to approve of bribes to your friends and relatives, to teach your children and grandchildren the same. This is what any of us can do without pathos and wringing our hands in hysteria. I suspect screamers, such as iConst, themselves poke bribes left and right and find this acceptable.
                    1. +1
                      10 October 2017 01: 04
                      Quote: Monos
                      I suspect screamers, such as iConst, themselves poke bribes left and right and find this acceptable.

                      laughing laughing laughing
                      Well, rzhaka, we were amused for the night - now I won’t fall asleep ... laughing
                      1. +4
                        10 October 2017 01: 14
                        Quote: iConst
                        Well, rzhaka, cheered up for the night - now I won’t fall asleep ..

                        There is nothing to sleep. I persuade the second bottle, boring, and even the temperature of 38,5. Though joking around here. wink
                    2. 0
                      10 October 2017 11: 02
                      but I know what question I’m wondering: it seems they were read (well, in the old days, as they say good times), they are really the most honest. educated us accordingly, do not take someone else's. and who they managed to educate so much (as a rule, they still managed to stay with the Komsomol), now they are sitting there, in the upper echelons. Yes and medium. and how it happened that the principle worked in their brains: the best business is to steal, Ouch, to master state money without shame and conscience. and away we go, away we go. reminds me this is all a group of kids in kindergarten. while the teacher is here - they behave like normal. as the teacher walked away, the teacher turned his back — it takes care who takes the toys, who just fights, etc. .... sadly somehow
                    3. 0
                      10 October 2017 15: 16
                      Quote: Monos
                      do not give it to yourself (neither to traffic cops, nor to doctors, nor firefighters, to anyone),

                      I don’t "give" the traffic cops, I thank the doctors, you won’t give the firemen (a residential building with many floors for installing a locker in a blank wall in the wall, everyone on the floor): fine for homeowners associations (and not a small one) and demolition.
                      firefighters are generally a circus.
                      ===========================
                      come to customs and you will understand: "do not give to anyone," as a legal entity.
                      Quote: Monos
                      to teach your children and grandchildren the same.

                      I teach, but they have a completely different example:
                      look at the "kingdom of crooked mirrors", as the people dubbed our Ministry of Culture of the Russian Federation:
                      fresh news, for embezzlement at a saint (church) of 300-400 million rubles, a fine of 300 tr was paid, 1,5 g in a pre-trial detention center, and today, the deputy minister of culture would have been allowed to go abroad for a trip
                      Quote: Monos
                      like iConst, they pop

                      Yes, hardly.
                  2. +4
                    10 October 2017 00: 25
                    Quote: opus
                    Well, what is the recipe?

                    Anton. Well, just grab yourself up and say, "Protocol!" Although the police comrades do not understand a damn thing in the laws. crying
                    1. +1
                      10 October 2017 15: 17
                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      Anton. Well, just grab yourself up and say, "Protocol!" Although the police comrades do not understand a damn thing in the laws

                      Oh, I can tell you the flow when you shouted the “protocol” and how the examinations were corrected retroactively ...
                      All this is sick.
                      And the Singapore method will not work with us.
                      I think this is from the time when the elite of the nation (the boyars, kings, kinguns) undertook to collect tribute for the horde - from their people
                      1. +4
                        10 October 2017 15: 45
                        Quote: opus
                        I think this is from the time when the elite of the nation (the boyars, kings, kinguns) undertook to collect tribute for the horde - from their people

                        Ugh on them. I recently got a clean protocol popped up and asked to sign ...
                3. +2
                  10 October 2017 09: 26
                  Quote: Monos
                  "Normal fight" is how? Got a recipe? Announce

                  Impunity creates permissiveness.
              2. +4
                9 October 2017 22: 55
                Quote: iConst
                Yes it is known where. As soon as the defendants share with anyone they need, they will receive several years in colonies or settlements, and after a couple of months they will receive an amnesty for any thread of “merit” in the form of a refund. We have already done this more than once.

                How many walkers are behind? Where did the term wind up? Who is godfather? bully
                1. 0
                  10 October 2017 01: 05
                  Quote: Nyrobsky
                  Quote: iConst
                  Yes it is known where. As soon as the defendants share with anyone they need, they will receive several years in colonies or settlements, and after a couple of months they will receive an amnesty for any thread of “merit” in the form of a refund. We have already done this more than once.

                  How many walkers are behind? Where did the term wind up? Who is godfather? bully

                  A pot was detected ...
          2. +5
            9 October 2017 21: 11
            Quote: Thrall
            And take Chubais hostage

            the red rat just slap, although it’s better not quite easy
        2. +8
          9 October 2017 19: 05
          Quote: svp67
          It remains to find where the "extra" 400 lyam lie ...

          in panama offshore, what to look for, mattresses know everything.
        3. +9
          9 October 2017 21: 02
          Quote: svp67
          It remains to find where the "extra" 400 lyam lie ...

          And ... the sons of the zinkinkult, who stole the identity of a lot of lyamov too ... bang and let go .. the mole sat the trochs in the pre-trial detention center and that's enough .. that's just a penny where ??
          And how much longer will this continue ??
          There’s a billion, there’s half a billion, there’s two hundred million, but to cut the shortfall in the budget again from the population ??
          1. 0
            10 October 2017 11: 10
            Essno, we are here with our accounts.
        4. +1
          10 October 2017 01: 37
          All you need to do is use an anal thermocrypt analyzer good feel
          1. +3
            10 October 2017 01: 39
            Quote: Mih1974
            All you need to do is use an anal thermocrypt analyzer

            This is undemocratic. It’s not like a mielafon, huh?
            1. +3
              10 October 2017 01: 45
              This is much better" laughing . “myelafon” tries to read thoughts, and maloli as a criminal “thinks crookedly” or “about women”, and the “device” that I offer almost immediately leads to the sounding of ALL the Truthful information we need. good
              No one has ever complained about "failures" feel
              1. +4
                10 October 2017 01: 51
                Quote: Mih1974
                No one has ever complained about "failures"

                I doubt it, however. People with low social responsibility will be unhappy. request
      2. +7
        9 October 2017 18: 49
        Source: RKS management stole funds allocated for GLONASS
        parable .... "a thief from a thief-baton stole" ....
        1. 0
          9 October 2017 20: 21
          The source, according to the interlocutor, as he said ...... how they got these anonymous .... worse than fighters for homosexuals in North Korea.
      3. +1
        9 October 2017 18: 52
        The heads of the Russian Space Systems plant and the leaders of ZAO Mercury were put on trial for the theft of almost 400 million rubles

        So it is on all 400, and on one about 100. We imposed 58 on Krylov, already paid 20. About the rest is unknown. Maybe in total it will turn out 400, they stole it, then probably everything is not the same.
        1. +8
          9 October 2017 18: 59
          Quote: Wend
          So this is for all 400, and for one about 100.

          Just now, one "budding colonel" 365 Lyamov "mastered", so this is small things. laughing
        2. +5
          9 October 2017 19: 00
          Quote: Wend
          So it is on all 400, and on one about 100. We imposed 58 on Krylov, already paid 20. About the rest is unknown. Maybe in total it will turn out 400, they stole it, then probably everything is not the same.

          Wend .. and you suggested that I see everything in pink, they say that our mustache is beautiful .. and it’s just showing off. They steal as if they were breathing for the last time.
          And will you insist on yours?
          "Everyone sees what he wants to see. I am past an abomination, I also see achievements." Https://topwar.ru/126778-antisovki-u
          spokoytes-my-vozvraschaemsya.html # comment-id-7426
          157
          Yes ... already achievements so achievements ... one wonders, but from the experience of the Republic of Ingushetia and the USSR, is it possible to take a good truncation of the head process for mercantile craving and corruption among so-called effective managers?
          1. +1
            10 October 2017 09: 18
            Quote: badens1111
            Quote: Wend
            So it is on all 400, and on one about 100. We imposed 58 on Krylov, already paid 20. About the rest is unknown. Maybe in total it will turn out 400, they stole it, then probably everything is not the same.

            Wend ... and you suggested that I see everything in pink,
            I suggest you not to rush to conclusions, but to wait for more complete information ..
        3. 0
          10 October 2017 11: 12
          Believe it yourself?
          1. +1
            10 October 2017 12: 58
            Quote: passerby5
            Believe it yourself?

            I’m not used to making conclusions without comprehensive information. Believe it or not, it’s irrelevant. However, the trend shows that recently the number of court cases for theft of state funds has been increasing.
      4. +1
        10 October 2017 20: 03
        There is no money but you hold on, the current slogan from Medvedev at this moment.
    2. +3
      9 October 2017 18: 55
      Quote: svp67
      they’ll sit if they confiscate everything,

      And pretend to file a criminal case against you personally, even if you are not guilty of anything, but write about it in VO, IN VISION, and in Moscow Komsomolets. But you are not to blame and the court will justify you, the most humane in the world.
      But the sediment will remain. And at the Military Review, commentators will spit you from head to toe.
      Well, how nice? laughing
      1. +4
        9 October 2017 19: 01
        And pretend to file a criminal case against you personally, even if you are not guilty of anything, but write about it in VO, IN VISION, and in Moscow Komsomolets.
        But it’s not criminal, but administrative that they wrote, of course, not in the central press,
        and local. Well, what can you do, if it’s to blame, then it’s to blame ...
        Quote: Gray Brother
        But you are not to blame and the court will justify you, the most humane in the world.

        But here they obviously went to a "deal with the investigation", otherwise they would not have repaid the damage ...
        Quote: Gray Brother
        Well, how nice?

        No, who would like that.
        But the situation with our GLONASS, I do not like the same thing completely. And there is clearly "the case is not clean"
        1. 0
          9 October 2017 19: 58
          Quote: svp67
          No, who would like that.

          Yes, it’s clear that I don’t like it. Just according to statistics, there should be innocents, but judging by the publications in the press, there are none and never has been, and this cannot be because the state machine is also mistaken and people win the courts.
          Why the press never writes about this here, I’m interested, this impression is created as if they were being paid to create a negative image of grandmother.
      2. +4
        9 October 2017 21: 13
        Quote: Gray Brother
        But the sediment will remain.

        Vasiliev’s same “sediment” remained
    3. +7
      9 October 2017 18: 56
      Quote: svp67
      I didn’t understand something, but where they will be “house arrest”, if everything is confiscated from them, apparently they’ll let go “sit out” abroad ... And of course, “severely”, 400 were stolen - 20 were returned, they completely returned people “to stole the threads "

      Not humanely, I agree!
      In the old days, even with free housing, they provided food and a ticket .... to fresh air and ecologically clean places ....
      ne humanely ...
      But seriously ... then in many ways the failure of the GLONASS program is precisely explained ... and what did I know about it at least 7 years ago from a friend !!!
      1. +4
        9 October 2017 19: 31
        Quote: himRa
        But seriously ... then in many ways the failure of the GLONASS program is precisely explained ... and what did I know about it at least 7 years ago from a friend !!!

        So it was necessary to inform where it was necessary - at least anonymously. It turns out that he knew and was silent for 7 years, and silence about a crime is a form of complicity - and then “officials are guilty”, “Chubais stole everything”, “they didn’t put Serdyukov” - they are to blame, but we allow them with such examples.
        And then everyone knows, everyone is silent, and then everyone is to blame.
      2. +5
        9 October 2017 19: 32
        Quote: himRa
        But seriously ... then in many ways the failure of the GLONASS program is precisely explained ... and what did I know about it at least 7 years ago from a friend !!!

        And you hid it for 7 years? Wait, they will come soon for you! wassat
        1. +5
          9 October 2017 19: 52
          Quote: СРЦ П-15
          And you hid it for 7 years? Wait, they will come soon for you!

          Native American house !!! wassat you can’t get your friend’s words to work laughing
          Especially said for a glass of tea .... winked
          1. +3
            9 October 2017 19: 54
            Quote: himRa
            you can’t get your friend’s words to work

            But the matter is easily sewn to a friend! laughing
            1. +3
              9 October 2017 20: 32
              Quote: СРЦ П-15
              But the matter is easily sewn to a friend!

              Remember Stepashin and a number of publications of the Accounts Chamber, and these are the facts and the final conviction .. remember? .... exhale ...
    4. +13
      9 October 2017 18: 56
      Quote: svp67
      ... I didn’t understand something, but where will they stay at home, if they confiscate everything from them, apparently they will let go "sit out" abroad ...

      I am for sending them abroad and apply “foreign” measures to them ...
      For example, I would not mind if these figures were seconded to friendly China ...
      1. +10
        9 October 2017 19: 03
        Quote: Andrey K
        For example, I would not mind if these figures were seconded to friendly China ...

        After the dispatch, the Kremlin, the State Duma, the Soviet Federation and regional parliaments will be empty! belay
        "Brackets" will immediately fall apart .. crying
        1. +1
          10 October 2017 02: 10
          Quote: Stroporez
          Quote: Andrey K
          For example, I would not mind if these figures were seconded to friendly China ...

          After the dispatch, the Kremlin, the State Duma, the Soviet Federation and regional parliaments will be empty! belay
          "Brackets" will immediately fall apart .. crying


          " A holy place is never empty."
      2. +5
        9 October 2017 19: 13
        They steal the bastards and flee to London, Israel, the USA ...
        It's hard to fight, but you can ..

        You need to get out of all these European parliaments (like we heard ours refused to pay these talkers ..)
        We have a lot of thieves in the West, and the sums are huge .. You need to shoot everything!
        Otherwise, Russia will die!
        1. +5
          9 October 2017 19: 53
          Quote: DEPARTMENT
          They steal the bastards and flee to London, Israel, USA ..

          Aren't you fucked? you yell anyway ...
        2. +4
          9 October 2017 20: 23
          Quote: DEPARTMENT
          Otherwise, Russia will die!

          If you will be yielding the case is not the case to yell and glorify PVV, then it will surely die.
    5. +12
      9 October 2017 19: 05
      Today, one trial has already passed:
      "The court sentenced former deputy minister of culture Grigory Pirumov to 1,5 years in prison and released in the courtroom in connection with the term. The official was accused of stealing more than 164 million rubles from the restoration of architectural monuments."
      They don’t confiscate everything, there they stole five Buranas, they will give them probation and will be released from the courtroom. But let the people rejoice, there is no repression. And the fact that such embezzlement needs to be completely confiscated, including the next of kin, and the perpetrator to be publicly executed on Red Square, this is according to the laws adopted by the same swindlers from the state. Duma, is not a crime, just a man stumbled (accidentally stepped on his foot), apologized and forgiven. Shame on such justice.
      1. +8
        9 October 2017 20: 21
        Quote: Lavrenty Pavlovich
        They don’t confiscate everything, there they stole five Buranas, they will give them probation and will be released from the courtroom. But let the people rejoice, there is no repression.

        Half of the deputies of the Central Bank are on the run, and there are amounts with other zeros!
    6. +3
      9 October 2017 19: 30
      I understand that they returned what they did not have time to spend sad
    7. +5
      9 October 2017 20: 04
      Quote: svp67
      And of course, “severely”, 400 was stolen - 20 was returned, they completely robbed people

      This is a theft tax = 5% of the stolen.
    8. +3
      9 October 2017 20: 56
      The finale is known in advance ... There are lots of examples ...
      The high-profile “restoration work” ended in an unexpected denouement. Despite the fact that the prosecutor's office requested that the former deputy minister of culture Grigory Pirumov be sentenced to five years in prison, the judge lowered this bar to a year and a half. Moreover, the former official was released in the courtroom, as he spent this term in jail. The same decision was made in relation to the four accomplices of Pirumov, and three others received suspended sentences.
    9. 0
      9 October 2017 21: 52
      in 90 g began-EFFICIENCY OWL POWER LOW. AND TD ... EVERYTHING MARKET ... PRIVATIZATION ..
      these sitters are educators of those chants.
      in 93 voucher privatization began, each in equal conditions (?) was
      now some - for 10 billion dollars, others - for 100 thousand dollars.
      AND IN STUDENT COMMUNITIES TOGETHER PORTWAIN DRINKED, ONE CROWNED TO THE BODY AND SIGNED THE NEED PAPER, DR- IN THE SPAN.

      not 5-10 years for initial accumulation,
      AND OUR LIFE OUR - FOR 50-60 YEARS FROM 93 G
    10. +2
      9 October 2017 22: 10
      everything is fine. have long agreed and put everything on the people. will be collected by installing the glonas system in all places. they will even oblige dog collars to buy Glonasov’s. and beekeepers are obliged to every bee in the hive to buy a beacon GLONAS ..... Do not panic .... citizens will compensate.
    11. +10
      9 October 2017 23: 11
      - In 2 years, China has produced more cement than the United States for the entire twentieth century. (4. 9 gigatons).
      - The length of the roads is 4 million kilometers. I'm not sure that I can imagine such a number of zeros in my head.
      - 300 thousand bridges across the country, of which 1000 are more than a kilometer long. And in 2016, a bridge was built from Hong Kong to Macau. To Macau! There a year ago we sailed an hour on a high-speed liner.
      - Over the year, the fleet increases by 20 million cars, and you can only enter Beijing in general if you are allowed to enter your license plate with the last digit.
      - Every year 100 airports are built. One hundred airports. A hundred. One hundred pieces. Count from one to one hundred and every time imagine the airport. Bam! Built.
      - Giant viaducts, 150 km long. Viaducts! Or, for example, a 28 km long tunnel.
      - A train from Guangzhou to Guiyang per hour drives 510 bridges and 236 tunnels at a speed of 250 km per hour.
      - For 30 years, the Chinese have increased the country's living space by 8 times! In China, they are handed out for free.
      - In 10 years, 220 cities in China will be with a population of more than 1 million people.
      - And all these statistics are due to one simple figure. Since 2000, 10 officials for corruption have been executed in China.
  2. +13
    9 October 2017 18: 45
    The leaders of the Russian Space Systems plant and the managers of CJSC Mercury were sent to court for embezzling almost 400 million rubles allocated for the Glonass-M spacecraft system, a source familiar with the situation said.

    Does anyone else think that there is no money in the budget? As Soloviev said, it’s just right when calculating the budget and costs to introduce a mandatory item called “Stole”.
    1. +3
      9 October 2017 18: 49
      Well now no longer.
    2. +6
      9 October 2017 18: 52
      Quote: NEXUS
      Does anyone else think that there is no money in the budget?

      here, you, an adequate person, like a namesake ... but still a mess ... what? because the "opposition" is so artificially created? but nothing that the oligarchy from the environment 1000 times worse? and? and drinks blood with excitement?
      1. +9
        9 October 2017 19: 05
        Quote: Dead Day
        here, you, an adequate person, like a namesake ... but still a mess ... what? because the "opposition" is so artificially created? but nothing that the oligarchy from the environment 1000 times worse? and? and drinks blood with excitement?

        Putin steals and steals everything and everything is not enough for him ... in any state apparatus there are corrupt officials, grabbers and banal thieves. But you have Putin to blame for everything. Do you recall the 90s? Chelnokov, total poverty, Chechen wars, the destruction of the army and navy, banditry, etc.? Or is the memory so short?
        You remind me of these mattresses that say that Russians are to blame for all troubles ... You have a peaceful sky above your head, and this is only because bad Putin did not allow our nuclear shield to be destroyed. Your children go to school, college, and do not shuttle to China for cheap rags. You live in a country in which there is no war!
        The dollar took off ... Of course, Putin is to blame! Not Obama with the Clintons or Saudis, but Putin’s scoundrel. They pay a shit at work, again Putin is to blame, because he has to come for you, do your job and, of course, pay an exorbitant salary. The sanctions were imposed ... Putin is again to blame ... of course, because it was he who introduced these sanctions and made a fortune by robbing you to the skin. It’s rearming the army ... again, thank God, it’s better to give this money to medicine and education. And it doesn’t matter that we don’t have a printing press. The main thing is to identify the main culprit, right? And the fact that the country's gold reserves are growing, the GDP has finally started to work, schools and medical centers are opening, it doesn’t matter ... give it to you now and all at once ... you weren’t sitting there for 25 years and you didn’t do nichrome, but like most Russians. But why blame yourself, so white and fluffy ... after all, there is a main villain who made your life and many Russians simply unbearable and his name is Putin. Is that right?
        1. +11
          9 October 2017 19: 24
          Monstrous demagoguery. I must say thanks for the fact that 26 years was not enough for a complete collapse?
          In Tula, Putin said that rearmament is ending, that insanity is in general, so we must again prepare for the conversion.
          Not everyone is seated, most work where they work. But Putin is working in his place, and when it turns out that he is being sent along with his messages, the question arises - does he work so well?
          1. +7
            9 October 2017 19: 35
            Quote: groks
            Monstrous demagoguery.

            Dear, I’ve heard this cry about Putin’s shitty thief since the 2000s ... Since he’s so bad and does everything badly, why don’t you be at the helm and do everything well? then sit at a beer or here on the site and curse it by cases.
            Quote: groks
            I must say thanks for the fact that 26 years was not enough for a complete collapse?

            And now, damn it, we have poverty and hunger ... we don’t eat red caviar, like in 10, but overseas eggplant and have a rest not in Egypt, but in Turkey. We tasted a good free life, and now that they have taken it away from you (Putin certainly did), it was a brain-stir and excrement on the fan.
            Quote: groks
            In Tula, Putin said that rearmament is ending, that insanity is in general, so we must again prepare for the conversion.

            Do not pi ... tell tales ... a new rearmament program from 18 to 25 has already been approved.
            Quote: groks
            But Putin is working in his place, and when it turns out that he is being sent along with his messages, the question arises - does he work so well?

            Putin, took the country in complete devastation, poverty and state bankruptcy with the internal war. Would you have the courage and thickness of your gut to become the head of a country like Russia at that moment? I am sure that no. But demagogy to spread about the fact that Putin is to blame for everything and sucks doing his job, a lot of intelligence is not necessary. At all times, people did not favor the head of state in Russia. And GDP is no exception.
            However, you pick where it does not suit you, but completely keep quiet where it is successful.
            1. +9
              9 October 2017 19: 43
              Quote: NEXUS
              we have a rest not in Egypt, but in Turkey

              And you do not speak for everyone. Never rested over a hill. Although he could. In 90, oddly enough.
              1. +4
                9 October 2017 19: 45
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                And you do not speak for everyone. Never rested over a hill. Although he could. In 90, oddly enough.

                And I don’t speak for everyone and everyone ... I’m talking about that snickering audience, which, even if in Russia communism comes along with a bright future, all will be the one to blame, but not them.
                1. +10
                  9 October 2017 20: 07
                  Catch up on the defense, yeah. Defenders of the regime - if you do not make that regime work, then you will defend the regime. Languages.
                  1. +3
                    9 October 2017 20: 13
                    Quote: groks
                    Catch up on the defense, yeah. Defenders of the regime - if you do not make that regime work, then you will defend the regime. Languages.

                    You don’t spit it with saliva ... I gave my debt to my Homeland ... it will be necessary, I will take Kalash again without hesitation. So do not sing about the language here. Languages ​​are spoken by those who cry for the regime, while shoving all the blame on one person. Is it smart? But let everyone decide for himself.
                    1. +7
                      9 October 2017 20: 23
                      Great. Is Kalash owned? Ammo available? No? So what's the talk?
                      Which direction should Kalash turn? If someone gives him away, it will not be Putin. Well, essentially what is happening.
                      Already if someone except Putin gives Kalash, it will mean Putin’s failure.
                      For once I don’t know. No one blames one person. But if this person continues to be so inactive so actively, then he may be in Milosevic’s place.
              2. +4
                9 October 2017 20: 08
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                And you do not speak for everyone. Never rested over a hill. Although he could. In 90, oddly enough.

                Don’t be sad, Comrade! I annealed for you there in full wassat
                1. +6
                  9 October 2017 20: 18
                  I am more sad that my comrades policemen and recently took away a butterfly knife. Minus one in my collection. crying
            2. +8
              9 October 2017 19: 48
              Putin took the country in a state to which he himself had a hand. St. Leningrad still has not fully recovered from their application with Sobchak.
              I’m not sure that Putin was asked what was enough for him and what wasn’t enough. Appointment by that alkanoid is not the best recommendation at all.
              Nobody says that Putin is to blame for everything, but the fact that he does his work is worthless, it can be seen from the messages.
              I do my job. No one complains. Gauges do not fly past? No complaints from ISIS?
              Putin about conversion. Generally fresh https://topwar.ru/120051-putin-neobhodima-chastic
              hnaya-konversiya-vpk.html
              1. +3
                9 October 2017 19: 56
                Quote: groks
                Putin took the country in a state to which he himself had a hand.

                Of course ... again weeping that Putin and his entourage are to blame for everything. That was what was required to prove.
                Quote: groks
                Nobody says that Putin is to blame for everything, but the fact that he does his work is worthless, it can be seen from the messages.

                Dear, do you know the whole backstage game and are aware of everything? Sit, judge UNKNOWN NOTHING, from the word at all.
                Quote: groks
                I do my job. No one complains. Gauges do not fly past? No complaints from ISIS?

                Honor and praise for your work. I’m saying that, maybe we’ll stop blaming Putin, but will we do our job well and maybe then there will be order in Russia?

                Quote: groks
                Putin about conversion. Generally fresh

                Yes, I do not care about this fresh ... I repeat, neither I, nor you, nor anyone on this site knows the whole situation ... and judging what you have only an approximate idea is ridiculous and stupid.
                1. +4
                  9 October 2017 20: 04
                  So if Putin knows that his instructions will not be executed, then why pull it on the screen? Anything can be attributed to the sub-carpet. Tomorrow Putin will say that the fly is giving way to Navalny. And will we think thoughtfully about intrigue?
                  Do we start making stamps for titanium pans?
                2. +8
                  9 October 2017 20: 19
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  Of course ... again weeping that Putin and his entourage are to blame for everything. That was what was required to prove.

                  Colleague, what is there to prove? I think it’s enough to already wishful thinking.
                  Balabalism is already tired, flash mobs on the topic of getting up are tired of ..
                  And tell me, for what kind of merit, I suddenly have to love a citizen of PVV? for Serdyukov whom he appointed? for Medvedev? for the chubais he whitewashes? for 70rub per month child support?
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  Dear, do you know the whole backstage game and are aware of everything? Sit, judge UNKNOWN NOTHING, from the word at all.

                  Well, enough already make a meaningfully face, puzzling a certain hpp. There is nothing and there is no hpp either!
                  There is a pike, but no!
                  And if you bother to read those fiscal laws that will come into force immediately after the election, you may come to understand what is happening!
          2. +2
            9 October 2017 20: 03
            Quote: groks
            In Tula, Putin said that rearmament is ending, that insanity is in general, so we must again prepare for the conversion

            He said everything correctly. Stretch legs on clothes. A conversion is needed. And not the one that was in the 90s, with an unexpected transition to the production of pots, but with a transition to high-tech products and equipment. What was also said, and in advance, so that there was time. But you still need to work, and you need to do it well. And still it is necessary to resume planning in industry and agriculture, otherwise the "hand of the market" is already sickened.
            1. +5
              9 October 2017 20: 30
              What kind of products? Compete with the Chinese? What equipment? Where do we get that equipment from?
              Even that household service that was in the defense industry was ditched by the efficient managers - what kind of 5% profit still?
              1. +1
                9 October 2017 20: 36
                Quote: groks
                What kind of products? Compete with the Chinese? What equipment? Where do we get that equipment from?

                Google to help you, not everything was lost. Release, and quite competitively.
                Quote: groks
                Even that household, which was in the defense industry, was ditched by the efficient workers

                This is said, it is necessary to restore.
                1. +5
                  9 October 2017 20: 52
                  No need to google. And so it’s possible to get to the donenas, ditched by a St. Petersburg Satanist Jew (s). In real life, everything is a little different than that of EdR propagandists.
                  If we release only consumer goods, the sole shareholder will not be able to go to the Canaries. Or he will go, and we will die. We can not compete with China. Or the government needs to start introducing protective duties. Do they do it? No. Then what else conversion?
                  1. +1
                    9 October 2017 21: 00
                    Quote: groks
                    We can not compete with China

                    We really can. The course has been dropped, and the quality is better. Even in agricultural products we can compete with countries with milder climatic conditions. There are very good positions in the international division of labor. So China has always done. Artificial understatement of the exchange rate. Only for us the "loaf" is not yet crumbling due to small volumes of export, unlike the Chinese.
                    1. +1
                      10 October 2017 07: 43
                      Here you can talk a lot about the laws of Morozov-Milov-Parshev.
                      Or you can just ask. If we can, then what are we not doing? Sabotage?
        2. +2
          9 October 2017 19: 34
          Quote: NEXUS
          Right?
          Reply Quote Complaint

          fundamentally not true ... apparently you have not ripened ... sorry. Your sarcasm is not so far from the truth.
          1. +4
            9 October 2017 19: 36
            Quote: Dead Day
            fundamentally not true ... apparently you have not ripened ... sorry. Your sarcasm is not so far from the truth.

            Yes, so much to me green. After all, you lived, and I went out for a walk.
        3. +2
          9 October 2017 20: 28
          NEXUS
          The fact that Putin saved Russia from complete disintegration, that it works in its place, so one can envy it, there is no doubt about such efficiency. Moreover, Putin never talked about rebuilding the USSR; he became president in the country of capitalism. He is the best head of Russia, after Stalin. "Power in Russia can be any, but only strong."
          BUT the case of Vasilyeva, Serdyukov ..... Perunov is a spit of those in power in the face of ordinary Russians. A hungry grandmother stole a loaf of bread in a store and gets 2 years in prison, officials stealing millions get conditionally. Laws are adopted in state. the Duma, but would at least one deputy vote to toughen the punishment for corruption. Such ships are an extra reason for the fifth column to undermine statehood.
        4. 0
          10 October 2017 13: 51
          Quote: NEXUS
          And it doesn’t matter that we don’t have a printing press.

          You're wrong. Each country has its own printing press, if it has its own currency. You just need to be able to use it correctly, such as mattress covers.
          Here is an interesting article on this subject.

          http://expert.ru/2015/07/15/horoshij-primer-dlya-
          tsb /
    3. +7
      9 October 2017 19: 04
      Quote: NEXUS
      just right when calculating the budget and costs , enter the required item

      Shooting with the complete confiscation of all property from relatives in state revenue.
      PS From 2000 to 2010, the Chinese courts sentenced 10 thousand officials to execution, another 120 thousand were thrown into prison for ten to twenty years. Property is confiscated, families of corrupt officials are sent an invoice for 8 yuan (36 rubles): for two bullets. Even the vice mayor of Beijing, Liu Zhihua, received a bribe of $ 2 million.
      The Central Committee of the CCP of China on discipline verification reports on the results of the fight against corruption among civil servants of the Middle Kingdom. So, according to the results of inspections only for the first half of 2017 210 thousand officials of various levels were brought to justice in China, who were convicted of corruption. Of these, 176 thousand Chinese civil servants received a party penalty, as noted.
      In total, in the first six months of this year, China examined 260 thousand cases of exaggeration by officials of official powers and discipline violations as a result of the consideration of more than a million complaints received .... - THIS IS "GROWTH" !!!!
      1. 0
        9 October 2017 19: 27
        from 2000 to 2010, Chinese courts sentenced 10 thousand officials to execution, another 120 thousand were imprisoned for a term of ten to twenty years.


        Stop stealing something? Probably the root of corruption!

        So, according to the results of inspections only in the first half of 2017, 210 thousand officials of various levels were brought to justice in China, who were convicted of corruption.

        And this yellow press is lying! These were not actions, but thoughts ....
        1. +6
          9 October 2017 21: 00
          Quote: Kerensky
          from 2000 to 2010, Chinese courts sentenced 10 thousand officials to execution, another 120 thousand were imprisoned for a term of ten to twenty years.


          Stop stealing something? Probably the root of corruption!

          So, according to the results of inspections only in the first half of 2017, 210 thousand officials of various levels were brought to justice in China, who were convicted of corruption.

          And this yellow press is lying! These were not actions, but thoughts ....

          Those who were executed 100% will no longer steal. The harsher and inevitable punishment, the less there will be “brave men” to steal.
      2. +3
        9 October 2017 21: 33
        Quote: Serg Koma
        The execution with the complete confiscation of all property from relatives in state revenue.

        So for sure, we have no problems ... We just need to return the Soviet Criminal Code, and of course, cancel the maritime tower. And then they came up with democratic ones, so it was convenient to take them away. The people are already nervous, apparently sooner or later they will return normal, human laws, as with the "advice" .... and then the economy will improve 100 pounds, it will be enough for social programs.
  3. +4
    9 October 2017 18: 47
    I didn’t understand "they were sent to court, but if they were sent and the courts were not there, how can they be raiders if they have not been convicted yet? How is Lara Croft a gallery?
    1. +2
      9 October 2017 18: 54
      Quote: Gray Brother
      I did not understand

      Yes, no one "misunderstood" ...
      Quote: Gray Brother
      how can they be raiders if they have not yet been convicted?

      after all, then the property will be returned then ... illegally arrested ... well, like Vasilyevna ...
  4. +5
    9 October 2017 18: 47
    Miserables are swimming finely. Especially touches "voluntarily." Not otherwise, conscience was tortured.
    Massaraksh 33 times. Oh, here on “Russia 24” they report that the “restorers” were released, the sufferers served.
    34th massaraks
    1. +8
      9 October 2017 19: 15
      "We got the planet, hooked chatlanes on their heads" fellow
      Next Ku, or Kyu, how anyone will like it ... sad
  5. +11
    9 October 2017 18: 56
    Under the USSR, they would have slashed 15-shku on the move negative with confiscation Everything to everyone. Oh there were times ...
    1. +5
      9 October 2017 20: 05
      Quote: Fedorov
      Under the USSR, they would have slashed 15-shku on the move negative with confiscation Everything to everyone. Oh there were times ...

      I would be glad if 15 gave !!!
      CC USSR st.176 part 5 - shooting!
  6. +4
    9 October 2017 19: 01
    Return the execution!
  7. win
    +3
    9 October 2017 19: 03
    embezzlement of budget money

    These thefts were made by enemies.
    Thanks to 24 active satellites, the GLONASS system
    allows you to determine the location of any NATO target with the highest degree of accuracy.
    And there is a decent weapon.
    And accuracy can be compensated for by the diameter of the projectile am
    1. 0
      10 October 2017 08: 42
      Glonnas satellites are not spy satellites.
      1. win
        +2
        10 October 2017 09: 14
        GLONASS and GPS navigators are devices that receive signals from the global positioning system in order to determine the current location of the device on Earth.
        And how to use them - it depends on the user's imagination.
        The United States uses GPS to target its Tomahawks, Russia - Caliber.
        And not only...
        Any satellite can be used as a spy.
        Dual-use product.
        1. 0
          11 October 2017 14: 58
          The satellite does not have a clue where the navigator is located, the satellite only informs about its location and nothing more.
  8. +3
    9 October 2017 19: 09
    He stole 400 million rubles, returned 000 million - free, you can steal further! However....
  9. +5
    9 October 2017 19: 09
    And we are waiting for new victories in space. Yes, how much money is not allocated, they will all be taken away.
    And they can also plant, by Russian standards, 400 million real pennies. If they had stolen tens of billions, then everything, the guarantee that they would not be touched, would be paid off! lol hi
  10. +9
    9 October 2017 19: 13
    And where is the shooting and confiscation of property? I’ll talk about this with the former Scientific Secretary of Roskosmos Gorish A.V. I am ashamed of the old workers of the USSR Ministry of General
  11. +9
    9 October 2017 19: 15
    Quote: Gray Brother
    . And at the Military Review, commentators will spit you from head to toe.

    This is bullshit. There, in the States, one judge put a thief in front of a choice, either prison or every day on the square with the sign "I am a thief" to walk. Selected the area.
    1. +6
      9 October 2017 19: 28
      The only question is, for what area? If in theirs, then after a "trip" with earplugs, accompanied by a rhombic figure of an American Negro police officer - sauna-pool-massage, foie gras-Mozart and sleep.
      And with us, I think I would have to guard a riot squad of OMON, even from the holy grandmothers of pensioners. I'm not talking about the Day of the Border Guard for example.
      1. +3
        9 October 2017 19: 31
        Quote: Fedorov
        If in theirs,

        Well, not for Red.
        Quote: Fedorov
        And with us, I think, a riot squad of OMON would have to be protected, even from the holy grandmothers of pensioners. I'm not talking about the Day of the Border Guard for example.

        So they had a choice. belay
  12. +1
    9 October 2017 19: 27
    Work, brothers!
  13. +3
    9 October 2017 19: 31
    These guys will not blame them, for them the secrets of the defense industry, they will cheat at home ..... who, with whom, where, who helped, etc. angry
  14. +4
    9 October 2017 19: 36
    Personally, I am already sick of the leadership of our country and the judicial system in general. Millions are stolen and these thieves are loyal to the authorities. For this, the peasant who stole a bag of grain in the village will be imprisoned in full custody and pre-trial. But oddly enough, we ourselves are to blame for this. We built too many illusions about the people who built the thieves power vertical.
  15. +1
    9 October 2017 19: 36
    Quote: Fedorov
    "We got the planet, hooked chatlanes on their heads"
    Next Ku, or Kyu, how anyone will like it ...

    studied the topic poorly ...- retake.
  16. +3
    9 October 2017 19: 46
    Quote: XXXIII
    These guys will not blame them, for them the secrets of the defense industry, they will cheat at home ..... who, with whom, where, who helped, etc. angry

    And yet, for corruption and theft of budget money, the answer must be tightened. Confiscation of property not only of a thief, but also of relatives to a social minimum, including housing. Then m. at least someone will die their greed. hi
  17. +4
    9 October 2017 19: 49
    Quote: NEXUS
    I'm talking about that snickering audience

    Only I do not need to be assigned to this category. I get 15 thousand, and I know a bunch of people who get even less.
    1. +6
      9 October 2017 20: 13
      But you have Putin to blame for everything


      Enough to protect. The authorities of the last 27 years have done only one thing, changed the rules of the game in the direction of their survival in the new conditions and not a jot more! Or do you think that if everything had remained in the Kremlin like in the 90s? Figs, the hungry and dissatisfied masses would have dared her, but Ilyich would have been found. No need to whitewash. They changed the rules, such as "put things in order", set up a defense industry for their protection and advancement of interests, threw a bone to the people, did everything to stay and gain a foothold. This has nothing to do with the normal functioning of the state, which is what we observe with inevitable constancy.
  18. +2
    9 October 2017 20: 15
    It is strange that they did not blame the Americans, as usual.
    The last few months, almost all articles begin: "Americans ... and here it fits ...
    "stole money intended for GLONASS" and ...? "sent them to ISIS militants" ... of course. smile
    1. +3
      9 October 2017 20: 19
      Warrior, you do not write nonsense, okay?
  19. +1
    9 October 2017 20: 20
    Interestingly, the Ilona Mask Corporation is stealing? What about Apple or HP? For some reason it seems to me that no. Only our rogues who have sat down to feed can afford this. And we manage to fly into space. And if you hadn’t stolen?
    1. +5
      9 October 2017 20: 23
      In the corporation Mask GIVE RESULT, unlike the corporation of Red Chubaty ..
      1. 0
        10 October 2017 10: 03
        Read about Ilona Mask. There are many interesting things. And about the grants given to him from NASA and not only, and much more. And about NASA’s dissatisfaction with the fact that these grants were spent not for the purposes for which they were allocated ... This is more or less affordable. In any case, he spends a little more than he earns. The difference is an order of magnitude at least. And loans cannot explain this difference.
        Chubais is certainly more expensive even in absolute terms; I will be so modestly silent about relative. Yes, and the results ... Hmmm.
  20. +5
    9 October 2017 20: 24
    Quote: Lavrenty Pavlovich
    "The court sentenced former deputy minister of culture Grigory Pirumov to 1,5 years in prison and released in the courtroom in connection with the term. The official was accused of stealing more than 164 million rubles from the restoration of architectural monuments."

    And the confiscation of ALL property where? Until obligatory confiscation is introduced, official theft will not be stopped! Is it humane to sit on state grunts for 1,5 years for 164 million in your pocket ?! JUDGES ARE SALE !!!
    1. +3
      9 October 2017 21: 11
      Quote: Mikhail Zubkov
      Until obligatory confiscation is introduced, official theft will not be stopped!

      moreover, the wives of husbands children of siblings and other relatives
  21. +8
    9 October 2017 21: 00
    What will end, interesting? A friend from the administration of the neighboring district caused damage to 470 million, given the scale for the district, gave 3 years. On a state scale, will they give conditionally?
    1. +1
      10 October 2017 07: 45
      And somewhere to lead - the frames are already proven ....
  22. +4
    9 October 2017 21: 05
    A priori, they don’t keep idiots there / in the RCC /. They’ll get such a loot when it’s clearly indicated - hopping over the roof, and I’m sure it’s not the first time they’ll “stumble”. But the rooftops have their own games, and a significant “sacrifice” was needed. well, like ulyukaev. But, Nothing Nitsch. Will pass the choice, and the defendants will be taken away as punishment, some thread of the Order of the 3rd degree, and amnesty for / in honor of Victory Day / or 10 years conditionally /.
  23. +4
    9 October 2017 21: 10
    RKS management stole funds allocated for GLONASS

    until they chop off their hands and carry out a complete confiscation, including distant relatives, there will be no sense
  24. +7
    9 October 2017 21: 23
    Rats flee from the ship. Believing that Russia, which the West de facto declared war on, will not survive, will not survive, will fall apart like the USSR. With such a philosophy, these highly paid and far from beggarly, but with the ability to grab at the public expense - directors and other leaders, strive to get rich at all costs and, in the worst case, to run over the hill, and at best to pay off and live happily ever after. A good proportion for them is 400 million stolen-20-100 reimbursed and ..... How many such examples and who just did not come across and that ... someone stopped !!! ???? In China, heads of thieves and swindlers are cut to the wall and we have only word and verbiage in the mouth of experienced lawyers with the success of fencing them either immediately or after some time. That is why China is a powerful economic power, and Russia as a leaky dam from which multibillion-dollar funds, so necessary for raising the economy, flow, more and more we refer to humanity and we do everything necessary for this within the framework of the law (!! ????) so that these rats plundered the state live happily ever after, under worst conditions, under house arrest, and at best, giving them the opportunity to simply go abroad, then declaring them internationally wanted.
    There is no political will to really solve this problem, therefore there are more and more holes in the dam, and from ineffective measures there is a game of Russian roulette, you need to steal as much as possible, but suddenly they will not catch, but they will catch, share and buy off ... !!!
  25. +8
    9 October 2017 21: 26
    Quote: Monos
    That’s it, that it’s useless.

    Uh, no. I said that you can kill by fear, but this does not always work. And if you chew snot, and fines impose conditional punishment, then you can only neigh. Now imagine how in the old days counterfeiters will publicly fill the throat with tin. Many are thoughtful, but I need it, such happiness?
    1. 0
      10 October 2017 07: 38
      But what about the "fake lawyers" and the "fake government officials"?
    2. +9
      10 October 2017 15: 05
      Volodya, remember the "recipe" from the professor from "Gentlemen of Fortune". More Soviet times.
      good
      The link works when you go to YouTube, in the display is prohibited by Mosfilm.
  26. +6
    9 October 2017 21: 56
    We vote in the elections for a candidate who has in the program - death to corrupt officials and the return of the Soviet Criminal Code
    It can be seen that the country is not moving, its legs are braided. Our poor president is like a squirrel in a wheel, like a slave in a galley .... but he needs to pour milk in the morning! Stalin almost never left the office, but the growth of GNP under 1000% Everything worked for him, he raised the country from ruins.

    It’s time for us to return from the Vasily-Serdyukov-Ulyukayev zoo, 25 years should be enough, or are we really Papuans??
    1. +10
      9 October 2017 22: 25
      Well, at the expense of death to corrupt officials, I would first bend them to the birch eggs, she is like that - she bends .. straightens up. they will immediately give the loot, the time of the soldering irons has passed, it is necessary in Russian - a birch.
      And about the Papuans -
      half of our military-industrial complex is produced on German and Japanese machines, except of course the specific equipment of the times of the USSR. Here it’s as if the truth.
      But I would be careful with the Papuans armed with Caliber S-300-350-400, building atomic icebreakers and firing rockets into space.
      Suddenly they’ll be offended, they will sit on bears, vodka will smell and they will conquer half the world with balalaikas alone. (the Chinese have enough worries)
      The Stalin Empire - the largest Only in the world was - from Berlin to Mongolia, the Far East and the North Pole. Who else could have done this if not our ancestors for centuries? Stalin only almost finished.
      PS thoughts aloud ...
    2. 0
      10 October 2017 07: 40
      Quote: Novel 11
      It's time for us to return from the zoo Vasiliev-Serdyukov-Ulyukaev,

      And what is the recipe for "return"?
  27. +1
    9 October 2017 22: 43
    I think the recipe against corruption should be simple. receipt. instruct the minister, the director of the subordinate production plant to do an important state business. they write with their own hands - I undertake ... and at the end a fad: in case of failure to fulfill on time the list of "What they will not be." And not just them. I think this would work.
    1. +1
      10 October 2017 07: 34
      The recipe is even simpler - the desire and the will of the leadership ... and without it draw at least some projections. Oh, and even about courage and at least some semblance of Man should be ..
  28. +2
    9 October 2017 23: 02
    It is time to return to Soviet practice. Probably, it’s not necessary to shoot, but life imprisonment with the direction of indefinite hard labor is just right.
    1. 0
      10 October 2017 07: 31
      Well, who will “carry out life imprisonment with the direction of indefinite hard labor”? Will you call on Dzerzhinsky’s spirit?
  29. +7
    9 October 2017 23: 29
    the official going to the "sovereign service" must abandon the family, as the Egyptian priests .... while he serves, he enjoys all the benefits only, not his sons, daughters ...... and other fuck ..... and return the death penalty ...... because the great mattress advocates of democracy have not abolished it ....
  30. +3
    10 October 2017 01: 02
    Monos,
    Quote: Monos
    Only to no avail. When this bureaucrat was led to the gallows, he went and muttered: "The demon beguiled."
    That’s it, that it’s useless. In China, over 16 years, 10 thousands of bureaucrats were shot for corruption. So what? But nothing. About 100 thousand more are sitting. Corruption was, is and will be.
    .

    A certain "businessman" with "cases" in both Russia and China complained: In China, an official will take 3000 dollars and make .... in Russia, an official will ask for a similar "request" for 50.000 dollars and "not a fact" that will do!
  31. +2
    10 October 2017 03: 31
    House arrest + suspended sentence. + Will be released in the courtroom + also the criminal record will be removed later. Long live our court ... etc. etc. And so, of course, Ukraine is the most-presamy corrupt country.
  32. +1
    10 October 2017 04: 07
    Quote: Monos
    Quote: Mordvin 3
    Only to no avail. When this bureaucrat was led to the gallows, he went and muttered: "The demon beguiled."

    That’s it, that it’s useless. In China, over 16 years, 10 thousands of bureaucrats were shot for corruption. So what? But nothing. About 100 thousand more are sitting. Corruption was, is and will be. And people who raise the slogan of the fight against corruption to the flag or are eager for the feeder, or crooks, or fools.
    The thieves system, breeds its own kind !!!
  33. +4
    10 October 2017 04: 11
    It's simple: grabbers haven’t shared with anyone, now they’ll squeeze a percentage and go on. If this is FSUE, then there should be tight financial control there and how do they manage to steal money? Again false advice or overstatement of the amount of work performed? And those who signed them papers where? laughing
  34. +4
    10 October 2017 05: 18
    Quote: Monos
    Quote: Mordvin 3
    Only to no avail. When this bureaucrat was led to the gallows, he went and muttered: "The demon beguiled."

    That’s it, that it’s useless. In China, over 16 years, 10 thousands of bureaucrats were shot for corruption. So what? But nothing. About 100 thousand more are sitting. Corruption was, is and will be. And people who raise the slogan of the fight against corruption to the flag or are eager for the feeder, or crooks, or fools.

    From your sermons carries pretense of a person system of power. Whatever side you touch it, I don’t know, but defend this corruption as a way of your personal “prosperity” ...
    I'll try what ...
    Can you explain to me why there are so few people who try to stick their fingers into an electrical outlet? belay Often you meet representatives of both sexes, who go into someone else's fence, close the gate behind them and begin to tease the guard dogs there? belay You will now think and tell how many times you have been informed about cranks who want to take a fish from a bear that catches it in a river during spawning.feel And in the cases when the parachutist before the jump changes the parachute to a tourist backpack, all the editorials of the well-known media are surely written down? lol
    What do you sculpt us with a hunchback? Your position is simple: "A friendly family steals from God." But you forgot another truth - "Humpback grave will correct." You are somehow weird about the possibility of eradicating corruption just because you simply don’t know the ways in which “the raven ravens his eye”.
    In today's situation, when our ship, with the proud name "Russia", makes its way among the ice and hummocks, when the team makes every effort to bring it to the right course, rats are operating in the hold with supplies. Do you know the most effective way to fight rats on a ship?
    "Rat Wolf" and the destruction of morality
    Legend has it that on sailing ships, in order to fight rats, they resorted to the following trick: a group of rats was put in a barrel or cage and closed. Hungry rats killed and ate each other, and after some time remained the only strongest and most evil rat. “Rat Wolf” was released into the hold and he began to devour his relatives.
    There is evidence that peasants also allegedly resorted to such a reception - moreover, a person who "raised" a "rat wolf" could sell it for a good price.

    1. To exclude the use of personal official vehicles of persons whose work involves corruption.
    2. The workrooms of such people should be open for viewing from the outside so that you can see what they are doing during working hours.
    3. For the purpose of preventive examination (as in enterprises an annual medical examination belay ) carry out a polygraph test of persons whose activities may involve corruption.
    4. Provide punishment for identified corrupt officials: for the first time - confiscation of the stolen with payment of a fine of 10 times (so that the demon does not confuse lol ); for the second time - the complete confiscation of property, 10 years of experience in gold mines, or the construction of roads, either by a medical orderly in medical institutions, or by a target for shooters, as well as verification and confiscation of illegally acquired property from persons in contact with this individual, a complete ban on employment civil service for 25 years to the next of kin.
    5. Responsibility for the struggle to impose on the president ...
    6. To disperse the State Duma and create a legislative body controlled by the president.
    7. To entrust control over the work of state authorities (with the possibility of coverage, control and taking measures) to the People’s Chamber, into which to elect citizens at the rate of 3 people from the region. The main work of which would be carried out at the place of election, and meetings - in any regional center ...
    Although, with the modern development of communications, it’s time to send all these meetings (gatherings) to the past, replacing them with video intercoms (with the exception of those that discuss state security issues and leakage of state importance information)
    8. To reduce the number of banks to work within the country to a few (5-10 ... industry, national) in order to improve the quality of control over financial flows.
    9. Reorganize the Central Bank and reanimate the State Bank.
    10. Create a power unit, subject to the president and the public chamber (powers can be clarified) under the name of the KEGB (Committee for Economic and State Security), to facilitate the work of representatives of the control from the OP from the corrupt layer.
    11. To exclude from the CPC “house arrest” in relation to corrupt officials.
    Somewhere like that ... request our dear, unsinkable ...
    1. 0
      10 October 2017 07: 28
      Quote: Esoteric
      Somewhere like that ...

      What is it that you are hinting that the leadership of the country is not working for us? And this is "Create a power unit, subject to the president and the public chamber" - what else do they have to give up on requisitions?
  35. 0
    10 October 2017 06: 09
    Section 159.4. Lost force. Business fraud

    Commentary on Art. 159.4 of the Criminal Code 1. The article is invalidated on the basis of the Decree of the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation of December 11, 2014 N 32-P in the case of checking the constitutionality of the provisions of Article 159.4 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation in connection with the request of the Salekhard city court of the Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous District.
    2. In 2016, with minor changes, it was reinstated in the criminal law in the form of h. 5 - 7 of art. 159 of the Criminal Code (see the commentary to the indicated norm).

    And you need to prove that they came up with this, well, steal money. Before everything is organized - and if there is already a plant and equipment for fulfilling the order - this is not realistic to do.
  36. 0
    10 October 2017 06: 30
    Quote: Monos
    Recipe! Let's recipe.

    Yes, count them !!! (with)
  37. +1
    10 October 2017 06: 52
    I wonder when the Proton with the GLONASS rolls over and falls, were there any dummies there?
    1. 0
      10 October 2017 07: 23
      Everything is clear there, the storekeeper is to blame ...
  38. 0
    10 October 2017 07: 22
    I don’t understand what to judge for? People fit into the market ... Awarded and sent around the country with lectures on the transfer of best practices ..
  39. +2
    10 October 2017 09: 20
    Nothing to these thieves will be. We will not recall the cases of bygone days (all sorts of officials from the Moscow Region), but simply turn to yesterday's court hearing on the case of thieves deputy. Minister of Culture of the Russian Federation Pirumov - guilty, but released from the courtroom. Since he allegedly reimbursed the stolen (almost 200 million rubles), and also repented to God, well, they counted 1.5 years of their imprisonment in jail. AND ALL !!! The state, represented by the Ministry of Culture, has NO claims to it !!! After the sentence comes into force, he can go abroad !!!! I think here the court verdict and the development of the situation will be similar. And the granny for the theft of cheese from the store or the guards will be beaten to death, or our Russian court - the most humane in the world for a couple of years will close .... cheese is private property, but what about !!! And the federal budget is just a feeder for officials. Take it, but in moderation and in turn. If it skidded a little, then we’ll chase the mischief and all ......
  40. 0
    10 October 2017 09: 33
    Quote: badens1111
    Yes ... already achievements so achievements ... one wonders, but from the experience of the Republic of Ingushetia and the USSR, is it possible to take a good truncation of the head process for mercantile craving and corruption among so-called effective managers?

    It would be very, very bad!
  41. +1
    10 October 2017 09: 42
    400 cartoons is the normal amount, they will scold, they will give each of them 100 years on probation and will be transferred to Serdyukov, where he is working now, what is the next branch of the national economy that he is mastering ????
  42. 0
    10 October 2017 17: 09
    "A thief should sit in jail!"