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Not urgent in the room. The circulation of scrap metal in nature

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Once, I often thought about the uselessness of many of the knowledge that we were taught in school. Well, remember, every kind of astronomy, stamen pistil, benzene and such nonsense. Why the hell are they in my life? Do you remember the food chain? A crowd of beasts that eat each other without a twinge of conscience. And the one who ate more, he seems to be better organized. Above in this very chain is ...




And how many questions did the water cycle cause in nature? Okay, the beast. But this is the basis of life. And there too. Can not sit or lie down. That, you understand, under the earth flows away, then in steam turns. She wanted to fly. And then in the ice ... A sort of ersatz stone. The nature is sometimes so strange, even cry, even laugh ...

But, on the other hand, nature creates! Maybe there is nothing to do, and maybe, specifically, to later laugh. She created us. How much joy we brought her. In the sense of interest. For all history our "development". She was a fool, she thought that we would turn into an ideal. Develop and transform. By the way, at the first stage it was like that. While we were improving our body. Remember, wool dropped. From the tail refused. Finger there on the hand to the side grew. To grab a little more and keep tight. But when it came to the brain ... Mother Nature broke off here. Okay, the spinal cord. There is all nonsense. But with the head ...

I thought so. Well, that knowledge is superfluous. But it turned out, it is not very well-functioning brain. This is not about you, reader, this is about myself. Creatively it is necessary to approach the laws of nature! Creatively!

Have you ever thought about the sources of inexhaustible stocks of military equipment and weapons of the Ukrainian army? How many years have he been “fighting”, how much of this very technique has been sold on the black market to all Arabs and Africans, how much has passed to the Republicans for a bottle of vodka, but it does not end there. Everyone who used to be Soviet ends, but not in Ukraine.

No, today we know that this water cycle is to blame in nature. In smart minds, he turned into a circulation of scrap metal. Well, why would any Lithuanians, Bulgarians, Poles and other "former" old Soviet vehicles? Place takes. Recycle expensive. Yes, and sorry. She's worth any money. And Square this technique even if cheap, but sells. And buys. And to her more and all sorts of ammunition. They are from old age and can explode. And so, well, the projectile exploded on the Ukrainian proving ground during the exercise. So what? The human factor has crippled or killed a person. Ukrainians. Not a Pole.

The senior comrades of those who are comrades of the current Kiev authorities, have long been "cut through" this scheme. Only here can not be used. Do not think that they feel sorry for the Ukrainians. Or own scrap metal. No pity. On the contrary, I really want to sell. Even tried to sell. Well, you remember these stories about armored vehicles and other Western "tricks". Humvee, again.

But that's not passed. Ukrainian guys can not ride on scrap metal. Breaks, you see. Or in a ditch for some reason goes on a straight road. And this is anti-advertising to senior comrades of younger comrades who are comrades of the Kiev authorities. Any Arab non-comrades of senior comrades will not buy these same "Humvees" and so on. Here is a paradox. You can say higher mathematics. It is necessary to sell, and the buyer ...

I remembered a conversation here. Overheard, sinful deed, on the street. One man congratulated the other with the fact that his own wife bought a new foreign car. The second was very surprised. I have something to do with it. Your wife is yours. And the first is so mischievously, they say, tomorrow my car will go to your house to visit ...

Why remembered? And to the fact that the elders found a way out! And also "through the wife". Well, Ukrainian soldiers are not ready to use European and American military equipment and what? Learning is necessary! A technique can be delivered and the "old scheme". Older comrades supply younger comrades. Younger comrades Ukrainian comrades. And the Ukrainian comrades are not comrades. Unless of course they do not kill themselves and their equipment.

I, of course, not a businessman. But even I see such a simple scheme. Want an example? By the work of this very scheme. Yes please. "The Latvian Ministry of Defense has received 47 self-propelled artillery mounts M109 produced by General Motors from Austria." Moreover, the same ministry reported that the cost of the contract for the supply of these ACS amounted to 6 million euros! I am here on the price lists climbed. Like, I want to buy ACS. Normal installation is well worth it. Only one!

And I also looked at the buyer army. I mean, the size of this very army. 5310 people! And what about the ground forces? As many as four battalions, combined into a brigade. 1250 people! Three modern tank T-55. From Poland. And any armored vehicles as much as 250 units! Here's how to hit so hit ... And then these same self-propelled guns ...

Not just any era of the first world war system. Most modern! One name is worth it. М109А5Ое! The Americans themselves are armed with a little better. M109A6 Paladin. Only one tsiferka difference. The truth is not already available this installation for years 15. In 2003, the latter were compiled.

It is clear that now some irresponsible readers have thought about the stupidity of the Balts. You yourself. They are Europeans. Checked everything. High-quality equipment! At the beginning of the 90-i was in service with the British corps! This is not just some part. This is part of the operational and strategic alliance of NATO! North group! Then these howitzers bought the Austrians. In 1993-94. In 1998-2007, they were modernized at the Klagenfurt plant.

But most importantly, they were in storage all the time. And they are! And the British. And the Austrians. And now. At the base in Adazhi hidden. Do you know why? You, dear readers are to blame! Yes, yes, it is you! In the sense of us. I also participated in this heinous business.

Remember your mocking laughter over the parade of the Latvian army? Well, the one who demonstrated? .. It's a shame. We should have been frightened. And the local population is inspired. And we portrayed horses. 100-million herd bellow. Or more?

In short, I will prepare you for the future scare. Himself already ready. So, 18 in November, on a significant day of my personal birthday, well, one more minor holiday, Independence Day of Latvia, howitzers will participate in the display of military equipment! I personally have already decided not to watch the video. I'll leave for later. Moreover, it is doubtful that these cars go. Will bring on trailers. Put on the square and everything. Terrible!

I understand that some particularly brave readers are not afraid. Or they pretended they weren't scared. Need to finish! We must be ready ... The enemy is arming and can capture the entire northwestern region of Russia! I finish!

Do you think that these most self-propelled howitzers are all that? In vain. Howitzers will only cause damage, but the offensive will provide ... British armored personnel carriers! The technique is also time tested. Released back in 70-ies of the last century. Latvia does not buy all sorts of rubbish there, which is still in the running-in stage! 123 machines for 250 million euros! So far, however, only 47 received. The British do not have time to repair, in the sense of modernizing, the Bronics. Now I’m sure that, except for me, everyone else was scared. So much weapons!

Here is such a circulation of scrap metal in nature. 30 years ago created a technique. Probably good for the time. But time is ticking. Scientists are working. Armament is improving. And the old "goes" to where they are unlikely to use. Then further. Where there is no use for sure. And then ... go to Ukraine.

Strange, yes? And in my opinion, there is nothing strange. Just business. Goods, even stale, should be sold. Otherwise, losses, damages and losses again. For a Westerner, this is death like. Money account love!

But then the question arises about the western origin of the Balts. They everywhere shout about belonging to the Western world. Have they not yet learned to count their own money? Why spend millions on the purchase of outright trash? It can not be that the governments of these countries are so concerned about the preservation of the Kiev regime. Each donkey, no matter how we want another, wears his ears. On others, he frankly does not care. Sell ​​this stuff at the same price for which they bought, will not work. Even to Ukraine. What then?

It seems to me that Riga is replaying itself. It is clear that Trump's words about bringing the finances of the NATO bloc to the established norms were not just said. No matter how Europeans want to preserve the status quo, 2% of GDP will have to be spent on armaments. At least since that time, the American president has not made any mistakes in matters of business. Americans really see a change in the country's economy. Changes for the better.

Latvia is simply running ahead of the engine. What for? I think, then, in the event of a change in the distribution of forces in Europe, a shift in the focus of American aid to Poland to snatch a piece better. For loyalty and dedication.
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  1. Conductor
    Conductor 10 October 2017 08: 08 New
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    When should we be scared?
    1. Orel
      Orel 10 October 2017 08: 14 New
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      So, on November 18, on a significant day of my personal birthday, well, and another minor holiday, Independence Day of Latvia, howitzers will participate in the display of military equipment!


      And after that, we sincerely wonder why many in the Baltic countries are so afraid of us. At least ugly to say so. You will be pleased if the public holiday of Russia will be called a "minor event." One must be above such things.
      1. domokl
        10 October 2017 08: 21 New
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        Quote: Orel
        One must be above such things.

        Hmm ... With a sense of humor, you obviously have a problem ... Indeed, it is necessary to turn the cheek under attack .. And so all the time. Left-right, left-right. In European it will turn out ... More precisely, as Europeans want us to do
        1. Orel
          Orel 10 October 2017 08: 26 New
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          Quote: domokl
          Indeed, it is necessary to turn the cheek under the blow .. And so all the time. Left-right, left-right.


          It's not about the cheek and not about a sense of humor, but about banal rudeness. One must remain a man and respect himself first and foremost. Why stoop to such things. I do not understand.
          1. rotmistr60
            rotmistr60 10 October 2017 11: 10 New
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            Orel
            and about banal rudeness

            I didn’t try to find rudeness. I saw the irony, but no more. Orel, you probably have some kind of phobia or you just have no mood, so why not spoil the others?
      2. vovanpain
        vovanpain 10 October 2017 08: 50 New
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        Quote: Orel
        And after that, we sincerely wonder why many in the Baltic countries are so afraid of us.

        Yeah Aga, dear Colleague, should they give them more gas, destroy Ust Luga and St. Petersburg ports, forget about the Nazi marches from the Waffen SS? Yes, and don’t have your own voice in the international arena, but if you have it, then just what? it was a lot in the 90s, we also stood in a half-bow - what are you willing to do? But you need to understand humor,
        Quote: Orel
        One must remain a man and respect himself first and foremost. Why stoop to such things. I do not understand.

        Unfortunately, I don’t understand. If their rudeness and Russophobia are in the order of things for you, then I don’t know what to say. request
        1. Orel
          Orel 10 October 2017 09: 05 New
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          Quote: vovanpain
          Yeah Aga, dear Colleague, should they give them more gas, destroy Ust Luga and St. Petersburg ports, forget about the Nazi marches from the Waffen SS? Yes, and don’t have your own voice in the international arena, but if you have it, then just what? it was a lot in the 90s, we also stood in a half-bow - what are you willing to do? But you need to understand humor,


          You go to extremes. You can not do it this way. The main thing is to respect yourself and not stoop to insults from those who are weaker than you. We must recognize our strengths and strengths, but do not boast about them. Modesty adorns and provokes respect, and rudeness causes only disgust. In this regard, you can learn from Peskov, although I am not a supporter of Putin, Peskov often speaks very correctly. Calm, respectful, modest. This causes a positive reaction. He behaves respectably. And to stoop to such low-grade things, it does not paint. Well, they don’t have an army and never will. They can’t afford it. This is no reason to mock them. Or we would be happy if they put the whole country under arms. I doubt it. It somehow helps us in ensuring security - no.
          1. vovanpain
            vovanpain 10 October 2017 09: 17 New
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            Quote: Orel
            The main thing is to respect yourself and not stoop to insults from those who are weaker than you. N

            Sorry, do not confuse warm with soft. To turn away with a proud look, having received a spit in your face, this is not self-esteem, but a receipt in your own impotence. negative
            Quote: Orel
            Well, they don’t have an army and never will. They can’t afford it. This is no reason to mock them.

            You somehow forgot your Colleague that they are members of NATO, they have a ballet army, but they don’t provide their territories to ballet armies from other countries of the NATO bloc. This is a direct threat to us.
            Quote: Orel
            It somehow helps us in ensuring security - no.

            And from here only one thing follows, we must repent, cry, maybe they will regret, it’s your right, They just don’t regret and do not heed, but how these “proud” Balts spat in our direction, they don’t give a damn. Turn away with a proud look. But this it's funny. hi
          2. Mih1974
            Mih1974 11 October 2017 03: 50 New
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            You, excuse me, are people of strange mental development. Does it still not reach you that “gatherings at the UN” is for diplomats, and the real “life” in the world between the Countries occurs exclusively according to the “rules of the street”! Those who are drooling or “lousy intellectuals” are wiping their feet, and those who “hit in the face” for any rudeness are considered and NOT rude good
      3. Andrey Grinberg
        Andrey Grinberg 11 October 2017 01: 30 New
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        “The enemy is arming himself and can take over the entire northwestern region of Russia!” - This quote will help to understand the difference in the worldviews of yours and the author. The author and many Russian people do not recognize the legitimacy of the existence of the Baltic countries on the lawfully Russian land, and you demand respect for the fake territories.
    2. Orel
      Orel 10 October 2017 08: 15 New
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      Quote: Conductor
      When should we be scared?


      This is all for domestic consumption. Show that there is no army.
    3. domokl
      10 October 2017 08: 18 New
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      laughing
      Quote: Conductor
      When should we be scared?

      Right now ... There, by the way, is the caliber 155-mm .. Am I afraid of you? bully
      1. novel66
        novel66 10 October 2017 09: 49 New
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        that is, our 152 will not work? Will they also have to buy shells in nature? really scary !!
        1. domokl
          10 October 2017 09: 53 New
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          request Duc ... NATO standard ... And there were almost no Soviet calibers left there. There is a country that buys everything Soviet. They have nothing to fight. They’re burning their arsenals ... Peacekeepers tongue
          1. novel66
            novel66 10 October 2017 09: 56 New
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            But did not Putin burn? disappointed ... crying
            1. domokl
              10 October 2017 10: 15 New
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              bully The chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces said that the aliens ... fool
              1. novel66
                novel66 10 October 2017 10: 19 New
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                they are all under Hitler’s there ...
    4. vladimirvn
      vladimirvn 10 October 2017 09: 08 New
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      Already yesterday :) :)
      Quote: Conductor
      When should we be scared?
  2. Irbenwolf
    Irbenwolf 10 October 2017 10: 54 New
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    Funny.

    I agree, the local army is an undeniably amusing army. And the technique is mainly scrap. All this is so. However...

    The Russian tanks in the bulk are very fresh? Here are all the tanks - T72B3, BTR all as one BTR82, and BMP all BMP3? In Russia there is an immense amount of military iron, in comparison with the same Latvia. There the whole Internet is full of photos of orphaned military rotting trash. You can only arm them with a couple of armies.

    Latvians will fight with Russia? Do not make me laugh. NATO (possibly) will fight NATO, and not by the methods of the Second World War. And (with the great luck of NATO) in secondary areas all this garbage (including the dwarf armies themselves) can be quite useful. Shoots? Great!

    Ask those who fought in Afghanistan what antediluvian weapons you had to face. And it regularly wounded and demolished the head.

    Of course, there is nothing to panic and fear, but having thrown the enemy with military "earflaps" it is worth scratching the packaging and figuring out how this garbage will have to be "disposed of". Each conventional tank, even the old one, is at least 1 shell. And this is the work of soldiers, logistics, factories and mines.

    So, it would be better if all this shooting garbage was not on the borders of Russia, don’t you find it? No tank - no problem.
    1. your1970
      your1970 10 October 2017 11: 39 New
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      Quote: IrbenWolf
      Latvians will fight with Russia? Do not make me laugh. NATO (possibly) will fight NATO, and not by the methods of the Second World War. And (with the great luck of NATO) in secondary areas all this garbage (including the dwarf armies themselves) can be quite useful. Shoots? Great!
      Ask those who fought in Afghanistan what antediluvian weapons you had to face. And it regularly wounded and demolished the head.

      1) even with the wild luck of NATO, including the non-use of nuclear weapons of the Russian Federation, the armies of limitrophies will not be useful in any way. The size of the territory of the Russian Federation will swallow these miserable one and a half divisions even on a simple stretch (without any military resistance) from point A to point B in the territory of the Russian Federation.
      2) The DRA is not an example in this situation at all. There was a PARTISAN war - and for it, self-propelled guns / armored personnel carriers / tanks were not needed at all, only the extremely light / heavy rifle and light artillery / mortars. Any equipment immediately requires a bunch of everything to support its activities, including banal fuel and lubricants. Banal shelling / bombing of their oil depots will automatically disable not only their military equipment, but also a significant part of the transport / aviation / fleet / industry. by ...
      3) I’m sinful - I love the work of this cartoonist



      -This is generally a prediction of NATO jambs in Europe
    2. domokl
      10 October 2017 11: 45 New
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      Quote: IrbenWolf
      So, it would be better if all this shooting garbage was not on the borders of Russia, don’t you find it? No tank - no problem.

      And who is against it? However, this is already on our borders. And your reference to the Internet, as an example of the state of the Russian army, is simply ridiculous. Enormous changes have indeed taken place in the army today. Grandiose. And you know this very well.
      1. ydjin
        ydjin 10 October 2017 13: 06 New
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        Quote: domokl
        Quote: IrbenWolf
        So, it would be better if all this shooting garbage was not on the borders of Russia, don’t you find it? No tank - no problem.

        And who is against it? However, this is already on our borders. And your reference to the Internet, as an example of the state of the Russian army, is simply ridiculous. Enormous changes have indeed taken place in the army today. Grandiose. And you know this very well.

        I agree with you domokl, the most important thing in the modern army is the nuclear triad, air defense and airborne forces, and of course the adequate ground army! A fleet with aircraft carriers would like the same, but stretch your legs for clothes! So far, we would have to control our Gosquatorium and be able to send 1-2 ocean groups. The work is on.
      2. VoldmR
        VoldmR 10 October 2017 13: 44 New
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        he can know and know, only judging by the flag, religion does not allow the comrade to have a different opinion ... request
        1. Irbenwolf
          Irbenwolf 10 October 2017 20: 19 New
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          You only determine the correctness of opinion by the flag? I hope that you are not from the Russian Ministry of Defense, write to me.
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  4. Irbenwolf
    Irbenwolf 10 October 2017 13: 20 New
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    Quote: domokl
    And your reference to the Internet, as an example of the state of the Russian army, is simply ridiculous.

    And I did not say about the state of the Russian army based on links to the Internet.
    1. I noticed that the samples of military equipment of the same 30-40 years ago are mainly in service. And this is normal, given the size of the territory and the size of the army. (Even the T-34-85 and IS3 were in service until 1993-1994) It is doubtful that they sat in the USSR Ministry of Defense until 1990 quite so.

    Advanced systems are equipped with advanced units, but they are not endless, and military operations require both technology and people, and quickly. Then all the junk that is is taken out of stocks. This is normal.

    Quote: domokl
    Enormous changes have indeed taken place in the army today. Grandiose. And you know this very well.
    Like any large social structure, the army is quite bone-bearing in nature. Yes, it becomes very flexible when it is warmed up. But translating all parts as one into an ultramodern weapon is not economically profitable - it is more profitable to gradually change the oldest to the newest fan.

    About the changes you are talking about - I heard a lot and basically agree with you. I am opposed to cap-hatchery inherent in our people. Examples of retribution for such sentiments include the war with the Finns in 1939, and partly Afghanistan, and the first Chechen campaign.

    It is important not to repeat mistakes.
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 10 October 2017 17: 34 New
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      Quote: IrbenWolf
      I noticed that mainly armament was equipped with samples of military equipment of the same 30-40 years ago.

      The army is a system that does not exist in the Baltic states, no ultramodern weapons will help you for many reasons: you do not have a military school, you do not have production of ammunition, you have nothing.
      1. Irbenwolf
        Irbenwolf 10 October 2017 20: 16 New
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        Latvia was given to you ... Take the burden on your own: Germany, Great Britain, USA, China. Well, as a last resort Ukraine ... well, as a last resort.

        It is a shame for such a large country to choose such small countries as its rivals.

        If the Russian greatness and power of the army is compared with the army of a country that does not even have one normal tank, it becomes sad somehow for Russia.
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 10 October 2017 20: 40 New
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          Quote: IrbenWolf
          Latvia was given to you ... Take the burden on your own: Germany, Great Britain, USA, China. Well, as a last resort Ukraine ... well, as a last resort.

          The countries you indicated do not behave more restrainedly, unlike any limitrophs.
          Quote: IrbenWolf
          It is a shame for such a large country to choose such small countries as its rivals.

          If you are so small and weak, sit quietly in your swamp and do not shine. Less need to yap - so that the predators surrounding you do not pay attention to you.
          Quote: IrbenWolf
          it becomes somehow sad for Russia.

          That is, you are not sad for the Baltic states?
  5. ltc35
    ltc35 10 October 2017 18: 31 New
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    Simple lobbyism. The right person is made an offer which he cannot refuse. After that, he buys a "brick", well, or convinces to buy this same "brick" of his colleagues at a fabulously "favorable" price. And if you don’t buy, then ... Consequences. That's all they buy.
  6. rumpeljschtizhen
    rumpeljschtizhen 10 October 2017 23: 52 New
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    And how many all the scrap metal we have in storage? The author did not think