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World of tanks. What's next?

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The regular MBT of the British army FV4034 Challenger 2 will undergo modernization in accordance with two contracts for the delivery of an updated at the end of 2016 tank in 2019 year


The main battle tanks remain the most effective means of providing mobile protected firepower against a number of targets, both in defensive and offensive operations. In addition, new technologies are being introduced into the tanks in order to increase their combat effectiveness and conformity with modern operational scenarios.

The firepower and effectiveness of armaments has increased due to the calculation of ballistic data in digital form, improved detection and capture of targets using advanced optoelectronics, as well as ammunition with improved characteristics. Vitality is enhanced by more durable and often lighter armor, threat detection sensors and active protection systems. Mobility is maintained by installing more powerful power units (engine and transmission) in combination with a more efficient suspension and lightweight tracks. Plus, the overall combat effectiveness was positively influenced by networking, which is ensured by the integration of the vehicle’s on-board systems. This last point can be the most valuable achievement, because it is a factor of increasing opportunities that allows you to collect and distribute information for all crew members not only about the state of the systems and the entire machine, but also about the immediate tactical situation.

The appearance of some of the main battle tanks (MBT), it seems, has not changed at all, since many of these possibilities above are barely noticeable, despite their revolutionary influence. The important thing is that many enhancements are easy to integrate into existing platforms. Thus, although over the past two decades not so many new projects have come into being, tanks in service have significantly more capabilities than twenty years ago. The trend prevailing in the world is the modernization and upgrading of existing machines. For example, in November 2016 of the year, several firms were selected by the British Department of Defense for the evaluation phase of the British Army’s FV4034 Challenger 2 modernization program under the designation LEP (Life Extension Program). This program was claimed by two industrial groups: BAE Systems (merged with General Dynamics UK, Safran, QinetiQ, Leonardo and MOOG) and Rheinmetall (merged with Supacat, Thales, Pearson Engineering and BMT). According to open sources, when upgrading the tank, it is planned to add a commander's panoramic sight, update the thermal imaging devices and make other improvements to the fire control system (FCS). Rheinmetall is also likely to integrate its situational awareness system, which includes thermal imaging cameras that provide all-round visibility, plus sensors such as a warning system such as laser irradiation detectors, shot detection and a battle management system.

Rheinmetall also stated that they could offer a replacement for the existing 120-mm rifled L30A1 gun manufactured by Royal Ordnance / BAE Systems and install their 120-mm smooth-bore L55 gun, which includes a programmed ammunition. The final contract for the modernization of the MBT can include 227 machines for a total cost of up to 748 million dollars. Prototypes of the upgraded tank will be manufactured within two years after signing the contract. According to the government, the decision on which company will upgrade will be made by the Ministry of Defense around 2019. The main objective of the LEP program is to preserve the “competitiveness” of the tank to 2025 and beyond (2035 is generally considered to be the deadline). In addition, some developers and manufacturers have come up with a proposal to upgrade earlier platforms. In May 2016, the company Raytheon announced that it had developed an upgrade package for the outdated Chrysler M60 family of tanks, which included a new power unit, tower electric drives and various electronic systems.

European Union and NATO

Most EU and NATO countries have focused on modernizing the existing parks for OBT. The German army continued the modernization program for the Leopard 2 family of tanks manufactured by Krauss Mafei Wegmann and Rheinmetall. Rheinmetall recently announced that in the near future, Leopard 2 of the German armed forces will begin to modernize part of its fleet of tanks. The project will be upgraded to standard 2A7V (verbessert, improved in German) 68 tanks Leopard 2A4, 16 Leopard 2A6 and 20 Leopard 2A7. Outdated fire control equipment will be replaced, and a new laser range finder and a thermal imager will be installed. In addition, the 68 modernized tanks Leopard 2-4 will be equipped with a new gun L55A1, after which these tanks will be able to fire the latest generation of armor-piercing ammunition. Great demand are tanks Leopard 2 and abroad. Poland, which bought the Leopard 2002A2 / A4 tanks from the presence of the German army in 5, is just one of many examples of purchases of Leopard 2 tanks in recent years. Tanks were originally purchased to meet the urgent needs of the Polish armed forces. These MBTs are currently being upgraded to the Leopard 2PL standard. The modernization of 128 tanks in the amount of 507 million dollars is headed by the German Rheinmetall. The company also provided the Polish company ZM Bumar-Labedy with know-how for this program, and also, under the terms of the deal, subcontracts for half the contract value to local manufacturers.


Leopard-2 was adopted by the 17 armies of the world. Most of these tanks have been updated and modernized. In the photo the most recent version of the tank - Leopard 2A7

Tower protection version of Leopard 2PL will be enhanced by installing advanced modular armor AMAP (Advanced Modular Armor Protection) from the German IBD Deisenroth Engineering, which is manufactured under license from the local company Rosomak. In addition, the tower’s electric drives and a new fire extinguishing system, advanced thermal sights of the commander and gunner, an onboard information and control system, a diesel generator auxiliary unit, and a climate control system will be installed. The Leopard 2PL version will retain the 120-mm smoothbore gun Rheinmetall L44 of the base variant Leopard 2, but it will be modified to be compatible with the programmable projectile Rheinmetall DM11, as well as the PM53 and DM63 armor-piercing shells. High-explosive fragmentation DM11 will provide very valuable opportunities, because it is shot at a maximum range of 5 km and can operate in three modes, shock, delayed, and air detonation. This projectile significantly increases the effectiveness of the cannon in the fight against some targets, including infantry, light vehicles, helicopters, fortifications and buildings. It is ideal for neutralizing groups with anti-tank complexes, destroying bunkers, military operations in populated areas and combating moving targets, such as tachanki - armed pick-up trucks, beloved by rebels.

World of tanks. What's next?

DM11 projectile with a three-mode fuse developed by the German company Rheinmetall

The Leclerc family of French tanks developed by GIAT / Nexter, which already have a high level of automation, are “updated” in accordance with the 2015 million dollar 349 contract awarded to Nexter. One of the leading designers of the Leclerc project, said that “the integration of the Scorpion Information Management System (SICS) will allow data exchange between various units of combined-arms tactical groups, which will become the basis of the future combat command and control of the French ground forces.” SICS, the battle management system developed by Atos, should replace the existing systems of the French army in the next five to ten years. In addition, Nexter explained that the upgrade will increase the levels of survivability and protection of this tank, and the main armament, the 120-mm gun CN120-26 / 52 developed by GIAT / Nexter, will be compatible with programmable ammunition.


French MBT Leclerc

The level of international cooperation in the modernization of the MBT has already been mentioned. However, cooperation between the Turkish Otokar and the South Korean Hyundai Rotem has reached a new level and has the goal of developing a completely new tank, called the Altay. In April, 2016, Ali Koch, executive director of Otokar, said that Altay was “ready.” This was the pinnacle of a joint venture that relies on technology developed for the Korean Army K-2 Black Panther MBT (see below). By themselves, the prototypes of the tank Altay resemble tank K-2. At the same time, the Atlay tank has other support rollers, suspension and turret layout. The 120-mm smooth-bore gun manufactured by the Turkish company MKEK is installed in the turret - the licensed version of the Rheinmetall L55 gun; in addition, it is equipped with modular armor and elements of dynamic protection against Rocketsan. The Altay tank was shown with the remote-controlled STAMP weapon module developed by Aselsan. The Turkish Defense Purchasing Authority planned in 2015 to issue a contract worth over a billion dollars to produce 250 tanks. In a statement, Otokar noted that it submitted its final proposal to the Office in August 2016, but the contract was never announced. There were difficulties with the engine for the Turkish tank. A contract was initially signed with an Austrian company, but it was terminated due to “human rights violations in Turkey”. Currently searching for suppliers of the engine and transmission for Altay, among the applicants are German MTU and Renk. But here, too, political tensions between Germany and Turkey can become an insurmountable obstacle in this matter. And recently there were reports that Turkey began negotiations with the American Catepillar and the British Perkins, and in this case they can end quite successfully. The total needs of the Turkish army are 1000 tanks and a number of foreign armies, including Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, have shown interest in the Altay tank.


Turkey struggles to adopt its own tank Altay, named after the Turkish general Fakhrettin Altai

Ukrainian industry, which successfully manufactured tanks during the Soviet era, is currently looking for ways to expand its markets. To this end, the Kharkov State Enterprise "Plant them. Malysheva "and the Kharkov Engineering Design Bureau for them. Morozov developed an export version of MBT T-84 "Oplot". This tank, known as BM "Oplot", is armed with an 120-mm smooth-bore KBA-3 cannon, which can fire, apart from conventional projectiles, with a laser-guided missile 9КХNUMXМ "Reflex" developed by the Tula KBP. Rocket 119K9М designed to fight with helicopters and combat vehicles, as well as MBT. In accordance with the first export order from 119, 2011 machines worth 49 million dollars should be delivered to Thailand, but to date only 240 machines have been shipped. The Ukrainian government has assured the Thais that the remaining vehicles will be delivered by March 20, but again the delivery times were broken and, most likely, the last Oplot-T tanks will be delivered in 2017.


Tank BM "Oplot-T", manufactured by SE "Plant them. Malysheva "under the contract 2011 of the year for Thailand

MBT T-84 "Oplot"

Russia

Of great interest is the T-14 Armata tank developed by Uralvagonzavod. MBT T-14 (photo below) is armed with a new 125-mm smoothbore 2A82-1М, which can fire a new armor-piercing projectile with an 900 mm core (according to data from open sources). Armament, automatic loader and controls are placed in a remote-controlled tower, and the crew of three people under the protection of the hull armor. This MBT is also equipped with a radar operating in the Ka band (33,4-36 GHz). It has been suggested that this is part of the active defense systems of the “Afghanite” and the protection of the upper hemisphere and that it can accompany several targets at once. Composite armor and elements of dynamic protection "Malachite" are installed on the case and on the tower. The question arises, will this platform become the next main battle tank of the Russians?




The recent Russian demonstration of the MBT version of the T-3 family, named T-90M, updated under the Breakthrough-90 program, suggests that the main fleet of Russian army tanks will still be based on traditional platforms, and not on the new T-14 tank . On the T-90М tank, work was done on protection: the protection of the frontal, side and stern projections of the tank was increased due to the installation of a new dynamic protection "Relic" and lattice screens. It is reported to be effective against both high-explosive and armor-piercing shells. The T-90M has a multichannel panoramic sight, as well as an outdoor video surveillance system. A new automatic target tracking station and a fire control computer are integrated into the tank; in addition, the engine power increased to 1300 hp The T-90 tank family itself continues to enter service in various countries. For example, this tank was seen in the Syrian army fighting in 2016. Algeria received 200 tanks in December 2016, and it is possible that there are orders from Peru. In addition, the Indian Defense Procurement Council approved last September an order for another 464 T-90MS tanks for a total of 2 billion dollars.


Russian tank T-90M has very good prospects.

Asia

Production of the Korean K-2 tank continues in parallel with the introduction of new improvements and improvements. A consortium led by Hyundai Rotem has already delivered more than 240 K-2 tanks. According to some reports, the total demand is 680 machines, the last of which will be manufactured by the beginning of the 2030-s. On all already released tanks, the suspension is being upgraded, an active protection complex and a dynamic protection system are being installed. The K-2 tank has a unique ability; it can shoot its 120-mm smoothbore L55 cannon (a joint development of local enterprises and the German company Diehl) with a KSTAM (Korean Smart Top-Attack Munition) target projectile. The projectile was developed in conjunction with the German company Diehl. The basis was taken self-targeting combat element SMart-155, placed in the same 155-mm cassette projectile. The firing range of this projectile ranges from 2 to 8 km, it can hit targets behind natural and artificial shelters. After the shot, the projectile flies in semi-automatic mode. The projectile has a millimeter-head homing head, an infrared sensor and a “strike core” warhead. The projectile is fired at a specified area of ​​the expected location of the targets, upon reaching which the parachutes are opened. The ammunition is reduced and, when it reaches a height of about 150 meters, it starts scanning the specified area using a radar and an infrared sensor. When a target hits the field of view of an infrared sensor, the warhead is blown up, which hits the less protected roof of the vehicle.


Tank K-2 Black Panther; it implements some requirements that lead to unique characteristics. These include, for example, an adjustable suspension and intelligent projectile to fight against targets behind shelters.

Meanwhile, China continues the process of gradually improving its MBT. Tank Ture-99 / A is the most advanced and effective Chinese tank, but it is in service only tank regiments in the northern military districts in Shenyang and Beijing. It implements many ideas of Russian designers, in particular the 125-mm gun and ATGM launched from the barrel; Western developments are also not forgotten, especially in terms of protection, namely, welded armor and dynamic protection. Norinco has also developed and introduced advanced MBTs for the export market. Its new MVT 3000 tank (also known as VT-4) has a crew of three men, it is armed with an 125-mm smoothbore gun with automatic loading ZPT98 and coaxial machine gun, a DUMV with an 12,7-mm machine gun is installed on the turret roof. The turret and the front of the tank hull are equipped with composite armor and a dynamic protection system. The first foreign buyer was the Thai army, which ordered these tanks in April 2016 of the year (as a result of the long-suffering contract with Ukraine). Under the contract, 28 tanks were delivered in September of the same year, after the tests 19 vehicles with supplies in 2017 can be ordered.


The most advanced tank of the Chinese army received the designation Tour 99. However, their number in the troops is limited and, most likely, it does not constitute the basis of the Chinese Chinese tank park.

U.S.

The United States is not currently going to part with its MBT M1A2 Abrams production of General Dynamics, but the program manager for combat vehicles noted that “the M1А2 today is very different from the first tanks that came into service once. The approach of the army is to keep the tank M1А2 in the first row, to have a platform with excellent mobility, powerful weapons and modern communication systems. By developing, implementing, integrating new technologies on an existing machine, you do not need to create a completely new machine from scratch. ” Currently, American tanks are adopting the next, new package of improvements in the third version, designated SEP (System Enhancement Package) V.3 developed by General Dynamics Land Systems. SEP is a software upgrade of the current tank M1А2 through the introduction of selected technologies and subsystems. The company stated that the “V3 version is designed as a proposal for technical changes. This will allow to start its mass production faster. Six pre-production prototypes have already passed complex tests and the production of tanks in the version of the SEP V. 3 for the US Army should begin in 2017 year. As part of the modernization program of SEP V.3, new communication systems will be installed, a new fire control system, a new COLWS-LP DUMA with an 12,7-mm M2 machine gun, enhanced booking and measures taken to reduce the maintenance of MBT. The М1А2 SEP V.3 variant also received a new M829Е4 sub-caliber projectile into its ammunition. Although the SEP V.3 upgrade package is still being tested, General Dynamics has already begun work on the next package of the fourth version of the SEP V.4. It is planned that vehicles in this performance will begin to arrive in the troops in 2021 year. The upgrade of the V.4 SEP is likely to include third-generation thermal imagers, a new laser rangefinder, color video cameras around the perimeter of the car, receivers of the laser irradiation warning system, and improved digital communications. In February, Orbital ATK was awarded a contract for its 120-mm Advanced Multi-Purpose Advanced Multi-Purpose Projectile for inclusion in the M1-NNXX Abrams tank ammunition. In addition, 2 September 28, the company General Dynamics Land Systems received a contract for equipping the Israeli production of the main tanks М2017А1 SEP V.2 with the Trophy active protection complex. Most likely, we are talking about the full-scale military tests of the KAZ Trophy on the M2А1 tanks of one of the armored brigades. After that, a final decision will be made on equipping the M2А1 Abrams tanks with the Trophy complex.


MBT М1А2 is upgraded according to the SEP program. General Dynamics presented its version of SEP V.2 in October 2016 at the AUSA exhibition in Washington (pictured)

Forward movement

Although the OBT is similar in appearance to its predecessors, they again change their characteristics in order to meet the requirements of the modern battlefield. Technology and innovation are transforming the platform to the challenges of asymmetric warfare. On the other hand, speed, firepower and protection remain at the heart of MBT design. This applies to both new projects and the modernization of existing platforms.

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  1. Orel
    Orel 10 October 2017 08: 00
    +3
    Almost all countries are on the path of modernization. Although we were able to bring Armata to a working model, we also do not plan mass purchases. Modernization of old cars is much cheaper, and their capabilities are significantly increased. Therefore, the modernization path so far seems more reasonable than a quick update to new machines, and you can catch it in time, identify flaws and fix it before buying it in bulk.
    1. SMP
      SMP 10 October 2017 10: 13
      12
      Therefore, the upgrade path so far seems more reasonable than a quick upgrade to new machines, Yes, and you can catch it in time, identify flaws and fix it before mass purchasing.


      That's right, the rush is only needed when catching fleas, and so if essentially:
      T-14 Armata is inferior to the 640th Black Eagle in everything.
      For T-14, export is more suitable for the main buyers of Russian weapons.
      The usual practice of all countries, world arms manufacturers, the best to join the army is
      which is worse for export, but in any case, the T-14 is superior to all existing NATO tanks.

      The chassis of the tank is a modified chassis of the T-80U. The body is elongated, which significantly strengthened the upper frontal part and eliminated the weakened area in the area of ​​the periscopes of the driver. The hull of the tank is divided into three airtight compartmentsisolated from each other by vertical armored sheets that are installed along the longitudinal axis. The fuel tanks are located in the side compartments. In the central compartment is the control compartment associated with the fighting compartment. Seats for crew members are located in the tank body below the level of the tower. Access to them is through the hatches of the commander and gunner in the hull of the tower and the hatch of the driver in the hull of the tank.

      Personally, I didn’t know this, mostly I came across materials where the internal layout was not described, but after these words, I have a question about GDP advisers, and their level of competence? Equal to zero.
      640th Black Eagle has an uninhabited towerdivided into FOUR CAPSULE ARMOR (three for the crew and one for the A3)The Armata T-14 has only one armored capsule for the crew.

      1. Three armored capsules for the crew, against one in the T-14.

      2. The fourth armor capsule is taken out of the main body, an A3 with ammunition is placed in it, that is;
      a) In case of detonation at any landmine, the ammunition will not detonate 100% too high.
      b) Upon detonation of a set’s battle caused by artillery fire, for example, BM-21, the tank remains on the move, and is capable of independently without an ARV, will return to a safe area for repair.

      3. The reload speed of ammunition in Almaty and the Black Eagle is generally not comparable, in 640 it is PHENOMENAL, the Black Eagle can be recharged within three minutes, having a specialized MP-MBPA (ammunition carrier) reloading only the entire A3 container. The T-14 will take a lot of time, five to six times more, and the T-14 design itself does not allow the use of MP-MBPA in principle,
      except ordinary trucks.

      4. The ability to quickly replace 125 mm smoothbore guns with 152 mm both smoothbore and rifled tank, capable of firing standardized shells with Msta-S and Kaolitsiya-SV, which means nuclear weapons of 2 kilotons. For this, it is enough to provide a removable armor plate in the rear of the tower to which a container with A3 and a combat kit is attached.
      After removing the armor plate at the rear of the turret, the 125 mm gun changes to 152 mm in the field literally overnight turning several hundred tanks with 125 mm guns into 152 mm self-propelled guns firing nuclear shells, which will 100% stop any attack on any theater of operations. The point is that any 152 mm self-propelled guns are easily destroyed, but to destroy a tank is not so simple.

      5. Having a classic crew location, the 640th is capable of waging a battle in the daytime even after all the electronics are out of order, that is, burned out from the use of microwave bombs, that on Armata due to layout features it’s not possible in principle.

      6. The height and length of the building of facility No. 640 is much smaller than that of the T-14, which allows you to redistribute the larger mass compared to Armata for additional reservations, as well as the MTO of the GTD and 6TDF which can be put on the Black Orel, two less than X-12_T-14, and again the saved mass is transferred to additional reservation. The 640th Black Eagle has a hull size not at all achievable for NATO tanks.
      In addition, the 640th may even have two GTE engines and a diesel 6TDF in the kit, which can change in two hours, depending on the tasks and time of year, since both are a lot of fuel.

      And these advantages are 100% cover the main disadvantage of the 640th gluttonous 1500 l / s GTE, which requires two more tankers.
      In the future, it is easy to put on it a module with 6TDF 1200 l \ s, for all documentation on the Boxer KhTZ (released in two forms with the T-64 chassis and the T-80 chassis) belongs to the Russian Federation as the right to the successor of the USSR, on which there is 6TD, that is, all of those documentation are there, and there is also a patent right for the release of 6TD.
      Thus, the 640th is a machine of the present future capable of combat use after any damage to the electronics of a microwave weapon, and after the detonation of the ammunition.
      1. Orel
        Orel 10 October 2017 10: 21
        0
        I agree, the tank is good. And the Black Eagle remained a dark horse. Apparently too complicated and expensive.
      2. avdkrd
        avdkrd 10 October 2017 12: 27
        +4
        There was no Black Eagle !!! The running layout can be just as well compared with futuristic pictures of kaklotanks, which they endow with wonderful characteristics. To cram in the non-pushable is what the vol. 640 is. The uninhabited tower of the Eagle (and it is uninhabited and in essence its functionality is the protection of the breech from the AZ and the upper hemisphere), does not allow in the volume of the T80 (64,72) hull to place both ammunition and crew. Surprisingly, the project was generally brought up to a running layout. Theme Breakthrough and in particular Breakthrough 3, these are real vehicles, as unified as possible with the tank fleet.
        The T-14 is the latest machine with outstanding characteristics and, by definition, cannot be inferior to the running LAYOUT, without its own FCS, without AZ, even with the unresolved situation of the tower drives.
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      4. vlad007
        vlad007 10 October 2017 13: 57
        +3
        The Black Eagle has an 7 rink chassis, and the T-80 6 rollers. In my opinion, this is not a modernization, but a fundamentally different suspension. The “Almaty”, by the way, also has an 7-roller chassis, licked from the “Black Eagle”.
        "Black Eagle" is an excellent tank, I agree with you. The problem is that it was developed by the Omsk KBTM - lobbying for the interests of UZTM is underway, especially since at one stage they had only continuous debts and losses.
      5. viktorch
        viktorch 10 October 2017 14: 45
        +4
        Armata is a black eagle for the poor, which everyone has already known about ten years ago.

        if at factories all the same equipment on which the t54 - t72 fought, then how to make a truly new tank there? back in the 90s, it was clear that the new machine needed updating the machine park, and here the new T-14 supertank was made without capital investments in production, yeah, fortune.
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 10 October 2017 18: 09
          0
          Quote: viktorch
          if at factories all the same equipment on which the t54 - t72 fought, then how to make a truly new tank there?

          What does it mean if? You do not know on der6mo throw on the fan.
      6. Romario_Argo
        Romario_Argo 11 October 2017 10: 21
        0
        The 640 Black Eagle has an uninhabited tower

        inhabited tower (!) - therefore remained in concepts
      7. mvg
        mvg 11 October 2017 10: 34
        +1
        Do you sleep there normally at night? Or do the Chinese armored armada dream (nightmares)? On the heel (what the hell), "several hundred tanks turned into carriers of nuclear weapons." If such a mess ensues, then the tactical nuclear weapons will be of little use, everyone will decide the strategic nuclear forces. And your overrated “object 640” is a lot of waste. We already spend 5.7% of GDP on the military budget (rich Europe cries from 2% of GDP, or even less).
        PS: I propose to bury all the major industrial cities in the ground and turn them into impregnable fortresses. And to give out to every Russian automatic machine.
    2. NEXUS
      NEXUS 10 October 2017 12: 22
      +2
      Quote: Orel
      Almost all countries are on the path of modernization.

      After the advent of Almaty, almost all countries that want to be on the crest of military innovation have either engaged in deep modernization of existing MBTs, or are trying to create something new. Although before the appearance of the T-14, it was about the fact that the tanks are getting obsolete.
      Quote: Orel
      Although we were able to bring "Armata" to a working model, we also do not plan mass purchases.

      There is no sense in mass production of Armata. The gradual training of tank crews (not conscripts) for Armata will allow them to well test this platform in the troops and bring it to mind, eliminating all diseases and blemishes. The main tank of the Russian Federation for the next 10-15 years will be the T-90. At the same time, as the Almaty series increases, I think the price of this platform will significantly decrease. I think that delivering 100-150 T-14s per year is still quite acceptable and justified, and as new crews are trained, deliveries can be increased.
      1. Orel
        Orel 10 October 2017 12: 23
        +3
        Quote: NEXUS
        The main tank of the Russian Federation for the next 10-15 years will be the T-90.


        No, they will remain T-72 and T-80 of various modifications. Upgraded only.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 10 October 2017 12: 26
          +3
          Quote: Orel
          No, they will remain T-72 and T-80 of various modifications. Upgraded only.

          You are mistaken. I believe the same T-72s that are in storage will be redone in the T-90. It is cheaper than building Vladimir from scratch. The platforms are related, and therefore the 90th will become the MBT for the next decade.
          1. silver_roman
            silver_roman 11 October 2017 11: 28
            +1
            Quote: NEXUS
            I believe the same T-72s that are in storage will be redone in the T-90

            there is a controversial moment. as far as I know, the t-72 is even different in composition from the armor of the t-90. Therefore, I am not sure that such modernization is possible in principle. That is why the t-72B3 are called so, and not the t-90.
            I think the t-90M is a great option for the troops.
            As for the development of the T-14, it seems to me that everything is not so complicated there, given the current level of automation.
            In fact, until it smells of fried, until everyone is able to agree, no one will invest so much because it's expensive. in fact, in history there was practically no case of a collision of modern MBTs in large compounds. Unless the T-90 fought in Syria, the Abrams (and it’s not SEP) in Iraq, although the Hussites spent them well, but it’s the wry Arabs who are to blame.
            Ours showed that they can, and that if necessary, they will put it on the conveyor, as in 1940. And let the adversary make the conclusions himself and teach history.
      2. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 10 October 2017 12: 38
        +4
        They won’t. The production line is disassembled, as it flashed into the VO from someone.
        They will do a couple of dozen, they will run in.
  2. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 10 October 2017 08: 12
    +6
    Thundering with fire, sparkling with the brilliance of steel,
    Cars go on a furious hike!
  3. tchoni
    tchoni 10 October 2017 08: 18
    +2
    The main directions of modernization:
    1) Increase crew situational awareness (by improving surveillance and intelligence)
    2) Improving the manageability of the unit and the individual machine (due to the improvement of the communications complex and data exchange systems)
    3) Increased security due to curtain elements of armor, dynamic protection and the use of KAZ.
    4) Increasing the flexibility of using existing weapons through the use of new ammunition for the cannon and DBM. Moreover, mind you, the main emphasis is on the fight against sheltered manpower.
    5) Simplify and reduce the cost of maintenance.
    And, almost not a word has been said about the improvement of running partnerships - obviously they are considered sufficient.
  4. demiurg
    demiurg 10 October 2017 09: 07
    +1
    What’s WOT? This is War thunder, here came the MBT. True to the west, as usual, they poured cardboard, but this is normal.
    1. Michael newage
      Michael newage 10 October 2017 09: 48
      +2
      WOT is like Schumacher among racers, everyone knows. And War thunder later appeared and is less known. Although it suits more.
    2. CT-55_11-9009
      CT-55_11-9009 10 October 2017 14: 18
      +1
      They pulled up these cardboard but moving bastards ... Oh, got it ...
      Quote: demiurg
      True to the west, as usual, they poured cardboard, but this is normal.
  5. svp67
    svp67 10 October 2017 09: 25
    +2
    This tank, known as BM Oplot, is armed with a 120-mm smooth-bore gun KBA-3, which can fire besides conventional shells with a 9K119M Reflex laser-guided missile developed by the Tula KBP.
    Strange as it may seem, the brand of the gun was called Ukrainian, and the TOUR is why with a Russian name. Ukrainians shoot, not the Soviet / Russian “Reflex”, but the Ukrainian “Combat” ... which is completely copied from the “Reflex”, but nonetheless ...
  6. Kars
    Kars 10 October 2017 10: 32
    +3
    The freshest Abrams in a cape from Israel))
  7. SMP
    SMP 10 October 2017 10: 54
    +3
    Quote: Orel
    I agree, the tank is good. And the Black Eagle remained a dark horse. Apparently too complicated and expensive.


    There is such a word lobbying in 2009 officially announced that such a tank does not exist.
    Serdyukovshchina and the mess in the MO, most likely not without women Serdyukov Project object number 640 was replaced by the project object T-14 Armata, but essentially a clone of the American tank because the layout is the same.

    This is the iVECO that the Tiger wanted to replace, and the French Mistral, and much more.
    That is, attempts to ditch the domestic defense industry are still ongoing, but how to ditch? Leaving their developers without financing, after which the teams break up, and some specialists from these design bureaus emigrate to the west.
    I’d like to express my goblin’s joke, only mass shootings will save the homeland.
    1. Voyager
      Voyager 10 October 2017 11: 13
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      A technique with the same layout will now by definition be called a clone? And where does the import of foreign equipment in the context of developing your own? Some kind of porridge ..
    2. garri-lin
      garri-lin 10 October 2017 14: 47
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      I went to dig up the gun. And while you are preparing the lists.
      The executions, alas, will not help. If they are not brought to the level of genocide. And this is fraught. Finish quickly and there is so little left.
      In comparison with 90 years, the sun pays more attention and it pleases. Are tanks competitive? Competitive And the best is the enemy of the good.
  8. Wolka
    Wolka 10 October 2017 13: 57
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    good obt reviewer
  9. Firework
    Firework 10 October 2017 15: 47
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    Quote: SMP
    The project of the object No. 640 was replaced by the project of the T-14 Armata object, but essentially a clone of the American tank because the layout is the same

    why do you dislike Armata? wonderful tank, this is confirmed by the fact that foreign buyers became interested in it
    1. viktorch
      viktorch 10 October 2017 16: 23
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      maybe the fact that t14 is t195 for the poor? and PR as a death star no less.
      1. Firework
        Firework 10 October 2017 17: 05
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        UVZ is the most powerful tank factory in Russia and the T-14 armata is not just a tank - it is a platform!
        and what can give a black eagle running layout? - it is outdated at the beginning of zero
        1. t7310
          t7310 13 October 2017 10: 01
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          Quote: SMP
          SMP October 10, 2017 14:13 ↑ New
          Therefore, the modernization path so far seems more reasonable than a quick upgrade to new machines, and you can catch it in time, identify flaws and fix it before buying it in bulk.


          That's right, the rush is only needed when catching fleas, and so if essentially:
          T-14 Armata is inferior to the 640th Black Eagle in everything.
          For T-14, export is more suitable for the main buyers of Russian weapons.
          The usual practice of all countries, world arms manufacturers, the best to join the army is
          which is worse for export, but in any case, the T-14 is superior to all existing NATO tanks.

          The chassis of the tank is a modified chassis of the T-80U. The body is elongated, which significantly strengthened the upper frontal part and eliminated the weakened area in the area of ​​the periscopes of the driver. The hull of the tank is divided into three airtight compartments, isolated from each other by vertical armored sheets that are installed along the longitudinal axis. The fuel tanks are located in the side compartments. In the central compartment is the control compartment associated with the fighting compartment. Seats for crew members are located in the tank body below the level of the tower. Access to them is through the hatches of the commander and gunner in the hull of the tower and the hatch of the driver in the hull of the tank.

          Personally, I didn’t know this, mostly I came across materials where the internal layout was not described, but after these words, I have a question about GDP advisers, and their level of competence? Equal to zero.
          The 640th Black Eagle has an uninhabited tower, divided into FOUR CAPSULE ARMOR (three for the crew and one for the A3), Armata T-14 has only one armored capsule for the crew.

          1. Three armored capsules for the crew, against one in the T-14.

          2. The fourth armor capsule is taken out of the main body, an A3 with ammunition is placed in it, that is;
          a) In case of detonation at any landmine, the ammunition will not detonate 100% too high.
          b) Upon detonation of a set’s battle caused by artillery fire, for example, BM-21, the tank remains on the move, and is capable of independently without an ARV, will return to a safe area for repair.

          3. The reloading speed of ammunition in Almaty and the Black Eagle is generally not comparable, in 640 it is PHENOMENAL, the Black Eagle can be recharged within three minutes, having a specialized MP-MBPA (ammunition carrier) reloading only the entire container with A3. The T-14 will take a lot of time, five to six times more, and the T-14 design itself does not allow the use of MP-MBPA in principle,
          except ordinary trucks.

          4. The ability to quickly replace 125 mm smoothbore guns with 152 mm both smoothbore and rifled tank, capable of firing standardized shells with Msta-S and Kaolitsiya-SV, which means nuclear weapons of 2 kilotons. For this, it is enough to provide a removable armor plate in the rear of the tower to which a container with A3 and a combat kit is attached.
          After removing the armor plate at the rear of the turret, the 125 mm gun changes to 152 mm in the field literally overnight turning several hundred tanks with 125 mm guns into 152 mm self-propelled guns firing nuclear shells, which will 100% stop any attack on any theater of operations. The point is that any 152 mm self-propelled guns are easily destroyed, but to destroy a tank is not so simple.

          5. Having a classic crew location, the 640th is able to conduct combat in the daytime even after all the electronics are out of order, that is, burned out from the use of microwave bombs, which is not possible in Armata due to the layout peculiarities in principle.

          6. The height and length of the building of facility No. 640 is much smaller than that of the T-14, which allows you to redistribute the larger mass compared to Armata for additional reservations, as well as the MTO of the GTD and 6TDF which can be put on the Black Orel, two less than X-12_T-14, and again the saved mass is transferred to additional reservation. The 640th Black Eagle has a hull size not at all achievable for NATO tanks.
          In addition, the 640th may even have two GTE engines and a diesel 6TDF in the kit, which can change in two hours, depending on the tasks and time of year, since both are a lot of fuel.

          And these advantages are 100% cover the main disadvantage of the 640th gluttonous 1500 l / s GTE, which requires two more tankers.
          In the future, it is easy to install a module with 6TDF of 1200 l / s on it, because all the documentation on the KhTZ Boxer (issued in two types with the T-64 chassis and the T-80 chassis) belongs to the Russian Federation as the right to succeed the USSR, on which the 6TD stands, that is, there is all of those documentation, and there is also a patent right for the release of 6TD.
          Thus, the 640th is a machine of the present future capable of combat use after any damage to the electronics of a microwave weapon, and after the detonation of the ammunition.
  10. SMP
    SMP 11 October 2017 01: 19
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    Quote: Salute
    Quote: SMP
    The project of the object No. 640 was replaced by the project of the T-14 Armata object, but essentially a clone of the American tank because the layout is the same

    why do you dislike Armata? wonderful tank, this is confirmed by the fact that foreign buyers became interested in it


    UVZ is the most powerful tank factory in Russia and the T-14 armata is not just a tank - it is a platform!
    and what can give a black eagle running layout? - it is outdated at the beginning of zero


    Just the same value of the 640th in its layout and ideas that showed the running layout.
    I don’t argue a bad tank or a good one, the layout of the T-14 is not suitable for future wars, only exports for the armies of the Middle Eastern countries of India, Pakistan, Iran, the United Arab Emirates and everything for Russia T-14 is not suitable for three good reasons.

    1. The first reason: Unsuccessful scheme for the X-shaped engine for Russia.
    Low maintainability in winter, that is, the V-12 T-90 has a fuel wire length from a high-pressure pump to nozzles of 30-40 cm, Armta has more than a meter. Replacing fuel wires and nozzles in the T-90 as on K-700 tractors, the T-150 light lifted the lid and replaced, designed for conscripts of tractor drivers from the time of the USSR.
    On the T-14, to replace the lower six nozzles, a crane and complete dismantling of the entire power plant are needed, this also applies to purging fuel wires.
    Who will give a guarantee that in the fall before severe frosts they will not pour in summer diesel fuel which will thicken? And so on ...... On the T-72, T-92 this is not a problem at all, on the T-14 Armata this is already a problem.

    2. The second reason: Because of the layout, the very low survivability of the T-14 when Americans use microwave missiles, that is, when a flying missile with a microwave generator burns all the electronics, what happens?
    The mechanic driver will switch to a duplicated mechanical control system, and the commander and gunner? The tower of Almaty will be inactive as the microwave pulse will burn the electronics.
    In Black Orel, the commander and gunner will switch to the optical channel, periscopes, continue the battle, albeit with less efficiency.
    Most likely this is why the Americans abandoned this layout back in the 90s, or do you think in Omsk creating the 640th you did not know about such a T-14 layout of the Americans? Do you think intelligence worked badly in the USSR in the 80s? Of course they knew from this and refused. What happened there in 2009 under Serdyukov still cannot be dismantled.

    3. The third reason: After the microwave pulse burns all the electronics of Armata, all systems, including Afganit, will stop working and you can launch a TOW that hits the roof of the tank, after which the detonation and the tank are destroyed.
    On the Black Eagle, this will not happen when a TOW hits, detonation of the ammunition will not lead to a loss of the tank, that is, any hit in any part of the roof of the Black Eagle will keep the tank on track, and at least it’s going to be repaired on its own.

    Alas, with the advent of microwave weapons that bring to mind both in Russia and America, all the layouts of tanks of the 90s were immediately outdated, and the layout of Almaty and the American tank is a layout of the late 80s and early 90s.
    Americans, except Russia and China, will not use microwave missiles anywhere, so as not to declassify the characteristics, they are the same; therefore, the destiny of Armata is the Middle East and India.
    It so happened what to do, but Russian physicists who created microwave weapons sentenced Armata, not me.
    If the army is preparing for past wars, it does not justifiably suffer heavy losses, and microwave weapons are weapons of future wars, while they are not massively used and what is on the T-14 is enough, and in the future, where are the guarantees? What microwave does not become mass? This is my personal opinion and may be erroneous. request
    1. Michael newage
      Michael newage 12 October 2017 01: 40
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      Quote: SMP
      This is my personal opinion and may be erroneous.

      It's good that you doubt the authenticity of the sheet you wrote. laughing In short, they wrote GRID. If you do not believe it, replace your all-powerful microwave with some kind of "photonplasmolazergan", and the T-14 with any other weapon, for example, "wunderwafer." And after that write a sentence like “blah blah blah wunderwafer doesn’t channel, because the use of photonplasma laser in the future will destroy the blah blah ball”.
      This is the level of your "analysis".
      PS: The black eagle, this is the T-80 in the "body kit", is outdated at the time of appearance, but how do you know No. .
      PS: Replacing the nozzles, from the word NO, will not help with frozen fuel.
  11. exo
    exo 13 October 2017 12: 10
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    It seems that the Almaty demonstration did us a disservice. All of NATO began the modernization of the tank fleet, but Armata is unlikely to be serial. As a result, in a possible (God forbid, of course) battle, we will meet a completely different enemy. Against ours, in a much smaller volume, the modernized T-72 and T-80 . In the mass production and modernization of the T-90, is also not very trusted.
    1. Maksimov
      Maksimov 8 January 2018 23: 06
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      The demonstration postponed the battle, if not canceled at all. Foreign modernization is designed for a dozen years. During this time, it is possible to prepare the mass production of Almaty and upgrade the remaining tanks - there is already a program for the modernization of 4000 thousand T-80 “LaMannche tanks”. It is unlikely that in the event of a real battle, 500 modernized Leopolds will be able to stop them.
  12. Metallurg_2
    Metallurg_2 12 January 2018 20: 03
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    Well, they say correctly that how much armor you don’t put on a tank - but it still won’t save you from RPG-7)))
  13. Metallurg_2
    Metallurg_2 12 January 2018 20: 05
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    Quote: Maximov
    The demonstration postponed the battle, if not canceled at all. Foreign modernization is designed for a dozen years. During this time, it is possible to prepare the mass production of Almaty and upgrade the remaining tanks - there is already a program for the modernization of 4000 thousand T-80 “LaMannche tanks”. It is unlikely that in the event of a real battle, 500 modernized Leopolds will be able to stop them.

    What 500 Leopolds cannot do - 1 Ukrainian miracle tank "Azovets" will do)))