At the beginning of 2000, Americans dreamed of buying T-90

The Pentagon at the very beginning of the Zero really wanted to get the T-90 tank, and, according to some sources, not an export model, but an option for the Russian army, reports Messenger of Mordovia.

“It was planned to test the armored vehicle at the Aberdeen range of the USA. For many, it now sounds like something unreal, but when formally addressing Russia with such a request, the Americans remembered with what joy the X-NUMX sold the most secret military equipment at that time, ”writes the author of the material, Lev Romanov.

According to him, as a result, the Pentagon "became the owners of T-80U, BMP-3, SAU 2С19" Msta S ", air defense systems" Thor "," Tunguska ", C-300В, besides this, they targeted ... anti-ship missiles X -31.

Besides Russia, the former Warsaw Pact allies and our neighbors in the CIS satisfied the curiosity of the Americans. Especially Ukraine tried: “probably there is no sample of the Soviet weapons, which would not be carefully studied by experts from the United States and NATO ", the newspaper notes.

In addition to the T-90, Pentagon experts were very interested in the best active defense system in the world at that time. tank "Arena". According to some reports, they were going to massively install this missile and rocket-propelled grenade launcher complex on the Abrams M1A2 tanks.

“It was clear that, having earned several million, Russia could later lose many billions. Therefore, in the 2000 year, the "partners" were politely sent. However, they didn’t calm down, but tried to get Russian secrets using their own intelligence, but they didn’t succeed, ”the author writes.

But here, too, Ukraine came to the aid of the Pentagon, sharing for dollars with modern at the time developments in armored technology and active defense systems. But this is another историяconcludes edition.

Comments

[NEXUS]

“The armored vehicle was planned to be tested at the US Aberdeen Proving Ground.

In order to find effective ways to deal with it, shooting from everything that is available.

[cniza]

Naturally, the horses fussed, everything that was surrendered.

[NEXUS]

Quote: cniza

Naturally, the horses fussed, everything that was surrendered.

But their Oplot is the most super-duper tank in the world ... despite the fact that in general it was created on the basis of the Soviet T-80 ...

[Green Chukotka]

the best tank in peacetime (s)

[Partyzan]

In order to find effective ways to deal with it,

and for what else?

[NEXUS]

Quote: Partyzan

and for what else?

For example, slamming operating time on the same armor.

[Partyzan]

For example, slamming operating time on the same armor.

Yes, the skakuas sold them work on armor

[NEXUS]

Quote: Partyzan

Yes, the skakuas sold them work on armor

And on Contact-5 too?

[Partyzan]

but on this issue not vkurse

[Partyzan]

although the skakuas could also sell

In 1988, the T-80 tank with the 6TD diesel engine was upgraded. It installed the built-in dynamic protection, finalized weapon systems. At the beginning of the 1990-ies, the tank was preparing for the adoption of the Soviet Army under the symbol - T-84. In the future, the designation T-84 received the next version of the Ukrainian modernization of the T-80UD tank.

Contact-5 stood there too https://topwar.ru/28854-osnovnoy-tank-t-80ud-obek
t-478b-bereza.html

[gukoyan]

It is strange that Amer did not buy the T-90A from the IG when there was such an opportunity.

[Partyzan]

It is strange that Amer did not buy the T-90A

they just squeezed out of them

[Belyash]

It all started with the Magah tank stolen by the USSR, and its study.

[tomket]

Quote: Belyash

It all started with the Magah tank stolen by the USSR, and its study

What are you saying?))))))) True ????)))) And I thought the USSR was the birthplace of the Elephants, but it turns out Israel))))) Wow, but we did not know)))))) )

[maratk]

that's why he is white. what can be taken from lost in the desert? !! only one thing - sand and wind.

[tomket]

Quote: Belyash

It all started with the Magah tank stolen by the USSR, and its study.

We never heard such a phrase: "I will not give a tank to bomb with explosives !!!". And she was uttered not in Hebrew)))))))))))))

[Alexey-74]

It all started with the creation of the state of Israel. "" The adoption of this plan was made possible thanks to its support from the largest powers - the USSR and the USA. The Soviet Union, trying to strengthen its position in the Middle East, sought, first of all, to undermine the position of Great Britain [70]. The support of the UN plan by the USSR was a big surprise for both Jews and Arabs [71] [72]. In particular, the Soviet representative A. A. Gromyko, at a plenary meeting on November 26, strongly advocated "the option of dividing Palestine into two independent democratic states - Arab and Jewish" [73].

According to the Israeli politician Julius Kosharovsky [74]:

Stalin's Middle East policy was built in such a way as to expel Britain from a strategically important region and, if possible, take its place. This is what determined the support of the struggle of the Palestinian Jews against the British Mandate for their national independence.
Historian Dmitry Mosyakov believes that the Soviet initiators of this policy hoped that Israel, led by immigrants from the Russian Bund, would become a center of socialism in the Middle East controlled by Moscow, as opposed to Arab regimes oriented to the West [75].

Molotov’s assistant Vetrov (later the Soviet ambassador to Denmark) notes Stalin’s words: “Let's agree with the formation of Israel. It will be like an awl in the ass for the Arab states and make them turn their backs on Britain. Ultimately, British influence will be completely undermined in Egypt, Syria, Turkey and Iraq. ”

[Partyzan]

nobody abducted him

The M48A3 Magakh-3 tank, a modernized version of the American machine, was captured by the Syrian military during the fighting in Lebanon in 1982 (at the battle of Sultan-Yaakub) and transferred to the USSR to study the construction of the Israeli Blazer dynamic defense kit.

[rapier]

Quote: Belyash

It all started with the Magah tank stolen by the USSR, and its study.

It all started with the British with their Mark tank. Israel also "froze" its tank from there, if you strictly adhere to your "logic", Belyash, or maybe Rabinovich?

[NKT]

I don’t know about you, but it all started with the T-18, and after the purchase of Vickers it was the T-26. Then you had no tank building, no country.

[XXXIII]

Quote: Belyash

It all started with the Magah tank stolen by the USSR, and its study.

Dug in the center of Israel T-34 shocked historians

Our chariots rode before the return of the Israeli people to their lands ....

[Alexey-74]

Yes, how many secrets were sold to Americans in the 90s, what damage is even difficult to imagine ... Oh, if it were not for the collapse of the Union .....

[Alex777]

Nothing, the main secrets have been preserved, observers from the Votkinsk plant have been kicked out, new secrets have been accelerated, but the "partners" are being tortured to restore their information channels.

[Kasym]

As Efremov (general con. ZRK S-300) told Yeltsin about getting the S-300 into the hands of the United States: “It will take them 20 years to understand the algorithms of the complex. And this is in case Chinese are attracted. During this time, we will run away forward.". Now the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation receive regimental sets of S-400, tested S-500 and other complexes. New BTT based on Almaty, Kurganets and other automotive equipment. Shooting: from Kord to AK and pistols. Missile weapons: from "Willow" to X-101, from the military commander to Sarmatia. New submarines, self-propelled guns, MLRS of the Tornado series, electronic warfare systems, Tu-160, Su-57, Ka-52, etc. etc..
I especially do not see the Soviet secrets bring tangible benefits to the Yankees. They could get T-80s in South Korea, etc. .. They need to develop their budgets. . Of course you can slam, but there the budget will be an order of magnitude smaller. Another thing is the budget for research and development.

[APASUS]

Quote: Kasym

I especially do not see the Soviet secrets bring tangible benefits to the Yankees.

And they are not going to copy Soviet equipment, these secrets are for working out the counteraction, finding out the weaknesses and strengths and building the destruction system.

[Yujanin.]

In addition to Russia, the curiosity of the Americans was fully satisfied by the former allies of the Warsaw Pact and our CIS neighbors. Ukraine tried especially hard:

Also, Armenia, a strategic ally of Russia, played a significant role in this matter, by the way, which not long ago acquired the only prize copy of the T-90
http://old.nasha.lv/rus/blog/blogs/AINAR4IK/42786
.html

[rapier]

Do not smack bullshit, Azerbaijan. Do not write idiocy and pass as clever. Armenia has only one T-90 tank, and you have HUNDREDS! Do you think Azerbaijan, how many tanks are easier to control - are they available or have sailed away somewhere - one tank or hundreds. And do not give links to cheap Aro-Azerbaijani sites, a provocateur.

[Yujanin.]

Quote: rapier

And do not give links to cheap aro-Azerbaijani sites

Actually, the information about how the Armenian military acquainted the Americans with the S-300 systems was replicated by the Armenian media, to which the Armenian Defense Ministry immediately responded:

Armenian Ministry of Defense refutes information about showing S-300 missile systems to expert group of USA and Great Britain

Since September 25th to October 6th the expert group of the USA and Great Britain, indeed, was in Armenia with the aim of providing advice on the defense strategic review of the republic. This group periodically visits Armenia to provide methodological assistance on this issue.
http://newsarmenia.am/news/politics/arm1-20101006
-42319574 /

[dzvero]

And I'm curious if there are any samples of modern Western technology in the Russian Federation - Abrams, etc ... only no one will say.

[Ru_Na]

Well, officially not, we get all the information from intelligence and analysis of the use of Western weapons systems during armed conflicts, of which the West has unleashed a lot in recent years.
PS Although it would be nice to get some Ambrams or Leopard at the training ground.

[d ^ Amir]

samples of modern western technology

just what the Serbs transmitted, the remnants from F-117A and after the war on 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX .... this is something that everyone knows officially ... and what is more, besides that, there is a great mystery ... maybe a dozen more through Iraq abrams and got ...
and by the way, the T-90 in the amount of 2 copies came to the barmaley in Syria ... if our rights about the contacts of amers and igil we could look at the car there ... though the export copy ... not for the Russian army

[demo]

Oh brothers!
So you hiccuped in the coffin!

[Dimy4]

Ukraine tried especially hard ...

Who would doubt that!

[Hagalaz]

It is noteworthy that, contrary to common (seemingly) interests, even then the fraternal state, which was considered (on our part), was actively spoiling.
I’m what it actually is, here recently on the forum a man with the nickname Rapira suggested we build bridges with the brotherly people. So in practice, it turns out that building bridges looks like they’re spoiling us as soon as possible, but we will silently lose ourselves and provide various benefits and conferences.
Off-topic. Excuse me.

[rocket757]

For business, the concept of "Slavic brotherhood, brotherly people, etc." et pfe, what is incomprehensible, nasty ... politics ??? these are not in vain attributed to the oldest profession.
They chose their OWNER, so there’s nothing to talk about.
People, citizens ... Slav brothers ??? with a pan on your head, you don’t really think about it, the jump-jumps shook the brain so much that without a pan it probably didn’t ... though, we didn’t make them jump and put kitchen utensils on their heads, FOR YOURSELF !!!

[passerby5]

correctly. in their own yard to restore order. we can provide current from the instrument to them .... for a fee and then

[Monarchist]

At one time, Romania "pushed" to the west all the military developments of the Warsaw Pact, or rather, Soviet developments. In the mid-eighties, this was in Izvestia "and after the collapse of the USSR, too, there was information. But in the late nineties and early XNUMXs, Kiev took the place of Bucharest. Now the question is: through whom will the Americans get our military news? Something seems to me that Americans will find through whom to receive

[yuliatreb]

Yes, in general, Ukrainians have always very much sought to please the Americans, so much, already with a strain, probably each of us will never forget how they cut the new Tu-160.

[MaksoMelan]

I think in Syria they have long climbed the t90 in a hollow and across.

[MaksoMelan]

And I would sell !!!! T90 sold and after the sale put into service under this index object 187 ..
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uXhuK8nem5g
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[rocket757]

Much of what they wanted, they stibilized or bought for a long time ... so what?
It’s not the Chinese, I just can’t lick it ... there, in zero gravity, we managed with a simple pencil, they will invent a fountain pen until they turn blue !!! Dough will be mastered ... Sales will not be stolen, they will simply spend on the development of the MOST - MOST ... not rolled, they still write with pencils !!!

[Karen]

Quote: Monarchist

At one time, Romania "pushed" to the west all the military developments of the Warsaw Pact, or rather, Soviet developments. In the mid-eighties, this was in Izvestia "and after the collapse of the USSR, too, there was information. But in the late nineties and early XNUMXs, Kiev took the place of Bucharest. Now the question is: through whom will the Americans get our military news? Something seems to me that Americans will find through whom to receive

I do not believe!
More leaders like Ceausescu.
Moreover, in the "news" was.

[Kirill Petrov]

Quote: Alexey-74

Yes, how many secrets were sold to Americans in the 90s, what damage is even difficult to imagine ... Oh, if it were not for the collapse of the Union .....

-
paaseeba "hunchback"

[Dart]

"..As a result, the Pentagon became the owners of the T-80U, BMP-3, 2S19 self-propelled guns Msta S, air defense systems Tor, Tunguska, S-300V, in addition to which they were given targets ... X- anti-ship missiles 31. "

I hate ... decree labeled ...

[technical]

the author is enough to rave ... 90s, 90s ..... now at the state level we are selling the S-400 to a NATO country and already having experience in the destruction of our aircraft and in the T-90 there is nothing interesting (unlike the T-80 which already in service with the closest allies of the United States) no one wants to buy it except Syria and they criticize it. The Indians at the biathlon understood what it was really worth - a worsened version of the old T-72, which was designed only for export to countries of the 3rd world, unlike the T-64, for example.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: tecnik

in the T-90 there is nothing interesting (unlike the T-80 which is already in service with the closest US allies) no one wants to buy it except Syria and they criticize it. Hindus at biathlon understood what it was really worth - a worsened version of the old T-72, which was designed only for export to countries of the 3rd world, unlike the T-64, for example

Hey, young man ... get out of here before it's too late ... gobble up.
You’ve already said so many nonsense here - I’ll ride you for a week only on this.

Come on don't cough

[xXx__SET__xXx]

you know, but it’s not a shame, but he’s right, as you’ll notice now, most of the modernization is carried out not on the T-80 but on the T-72 to m3 so don’t bull

[rocket757]

Quote: tecnik

the author is enough to rave ... 90s, 90s ..... now at the state level we are selling the S-400 to a NATO country and already having experience in the destruction of our aircraft and in the T-90 there is nothing interesting (unlike the T-80 which already in service with the closest allies of the United States) no one wants to buy it except Syria and they criticize it. The Indians at the biathlon understood what it was really worth - a worsened version of the old T-72, which was designed only for export to countries of the 3rd world, unlike the T-64, for example.

The Hindus at the biathlon realized that the gasket between the seat and levers in their tank was lousy and equipment, they could not normally assemble sales from the finished machine sets.
T64, T72 were good examples of the technology of the SOVIET design school. The following models go for the T72, and the T64 ... well, how is it, bought for sale ??? and then what, paper patents and plasticine layouts?

[passerby5]

as in that joke: but we have good songs. Well, they still have a dance))))

[Alexander Abdrakhmanov]

Could the Americans call their tank "Plywood", a good name for it. He only raises a lot of dust in Syria, and this protects him.

[rocket757]

About dust, we can and surely, smoke from the curtain saves from manual guidance no worse!
You can’t call a plywood tank! For a linear, correct battle is a completely armored fortress?
But where is he this right fight ???
Barmalei strive for everything from around the corner, and jihad mobile, he and the battleship can undermine.

[Tolik_74]

The saddest thing is that when the Benderites sawed the Russian TU-160 pilots cried, and the Avian vayaks jumped for joy.

[rocket757]

Abidna kaneeshno, BUT WE, RUSSIAN PEOPLE ... again the peasants and work belts will tighten more tightly and our defenders will have new wings, better than before.
For which I love my people. will always find the strength to do better and more !!!
Scream every liber .... and you can skip ears. but the rulers and those around them really need to look after !!! Otherwise, the results of our labor will be destroyed again.