Erdogan: Kurdish referendum in Iraq - the work of the Israeli special services

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, speaking at a joint press conference following talks with his Iranian counterpart Hassan Rouhani, spoke about the referendum in Iraqi Kurdistan. According to the head of the Republic of Turkey, the Kurdistan authorities did not make this decision independently. Erdogan believes that the very idea of ​​the independence of the Kurdish autonomy from Iraq with the holding of a referendum could belong to the Israeli special services.

Erdogan quoted news agency Anadolu:

What does the administration of the Iraqi northern territories count on? In general, no one in the world, in fact, knows it. But Israel knows. And he knows well. The decision that was taken at the table with the staff of the Mossad (Israeli political intelligence - approx. "IN"), can not be legitimate.

The Iranian President confirmed the fact that the position of Tehran and Ankara on the non-recognition of the results of the referendum in Iraqi Kurdistan is one. Rouhani and Erdogan added that they fully share the position of Baghdad, in which they first offered Erbil (the administrative center of Kurdistan) to negotiate, and after refusing to turn on the sanctions regime.

Erdogan said that Turkey is considering a package of sanctions measures against Kurdish politicians who are trying to achieve Kurdistan’s independence from Iraq.

Earlier in Israel said they support the free will of the inhabitants of the Kurdish autonomy. Words of support for the referendum were expressed personally by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

Comments

[himRa]

Erdogan believes that the very idea of ​​the independence of the Kurdish autonomy from Iraq with a referendum could belong to the Israeli secret services.

But this is already superfluous!
Comrade Erdagan !!! Jews will not forgive you

[Thrall]

And my father-in-law said it a week ago

[hrych]

I don’t know how your father-in-law is, but Israel has another influential “friend” with a half-million army

[Vend]

In some century, not the Russians to blame

[andrewkor]

Turkey is not sprats, the player will be more serious!

[Shahno]

And we are in this matter as you are absolution. Only in the opposite camp.

[Shahno]

Yes, he was without thinking. And suddenly the Mossad will find plants that supply weapons to Hezbole and in Turkey. It’s awkward.

[Alex777]

Mossad shares and hopes to rule ..?
Erdogan had a great friendship with Barzani.
And now there is no friendship ...

[To be or not to be]

That's why it’s “uncomfortable” and is called S-400

[Fedalex]

Yes, it’s inconvenient ... Treatment of militants can go sideways ...

[sergey1000]

I said that it was Israel, the only country in the world that openly and unequivocally supported the Kurds so it was and it will be so perdogan it recognized it remains only to arrange the supply of weapons of instructors and all kinds of help, although Israel has long been keeping the Kurds free for independent Kurdistan! Kurdish-Israeli friendship!

[NIKNN]

Kurdish referendum in Iraq - handiwork of Israeli intelligence

I thought so...

[Logall]

Ah yes Erdogan, ah yes `` son of a bitch ''! He brought the rabbis to clean water!

[himRa]

Quote: Logall

Ah yes Erdogan, ah yes `` son of a bitch ''! He brought the rabbis to clean water!

The theme is simply ,, gold mine ,,!

[Imh]

If there is no water in the tap ... I like anti-Semites! - Erdogan believes that a tiny state with a small nation can redraw the political map of the Middle East? Thank you for your respect, Comrade. Erdogan.

[Thrall]

Quote: IMH

A tiny state with a small nation capable of redrawing the political map of the Middle East?

Small bug, but smelly

[Shahno]

But there was nothing. Previously, you had to think. The Egyptians would give the Semitic tribes in Egypt full rights and privileges, everything would be fine. They wouldn’t rush anywhere. And now all .... the Jews have united. Late boy rushing around.

[sogdy]

Quote: Shahno

The Egyptians would give the Semitic tribes in Egypt

They would have given if they had met. Yes, oh, as if given.
Yes, they have diverged in time from a thousand to a couple of thousand years.
It is advisable not only to read the Talmud.

[himRa]

Quote: Shahno

Jews united. Late boy rushing around.

Yes, everything is in a panic! Tell me how many Israelis live in Israel?
Already 8.5 million people, and what territory? 30 seconds by plane !!!!
Well fart from bloating cheeks!

[Fedalex]

The argument is that you have relatives there ?!

[andrewkor]

And give all the privileges to you, no, to earn them honest work.

[andrewkor]

And behind him world players loom, and he himself for the petty in the coming fight

[sogdy]

Quote: IMH

I like Judophiles! - Erdogan believes that a tiny state with small people

I draw your attention to the "History of Judaism" by Abram Levy. Such a classic, not refuted by anyone at any point.
Not all Jews are Jews, and vice versa. Not all Jews are Israelis. But Israel itself - according to the Jewish classic - is a parasite on material and economic flows.
And this I say not, but _ih_ classic. Based on, in many respects, frank and french documents.
And, it would seem, what do we have to do with it?

[Livonetc]

And our Israeli comrades here insisted on the excellent relations with Turkey.

[Romario_Argo]

And our Israeli comrades here insisted on the excellent relations with Turkey

My school friend lived in Israel, and as early as two years, he returned to Russia.
Waiting for a big war. Israel is doomed with such pro-American politics!

[sergey1000]

may we win the love of what cannot be avoided and comrade say hello tell him that he is a traitor to Zion, the deserter darted

[alexmach]

Erdogan is a guy so sharp that a great relationship with him changes to scandal and vice versa once a quarter?

[rotmistr60]

could belong to the Israeli secret services.

That's the main "culprit" Erdogan identified. Although Israel itself gives rise to such a conclusion.

[Thunderbolt]

It is a possible version, because even here at the forum, the Israelis repeatedly expressed sympathy for the Kurdish people, and on the network I read materials that the Israeli intelligence is in close contact with the Kurds, though I don’t know how reliable this information is, I didn’t get into the topic so much, the Baltic countries are also interested in the Scandinavian countries.
The Kurds are settled in trump places and an excellent tool to stab Iran, Iraq, Turkey, Syria and possibly someone else. Now there is pressure from both sides, and in the future it is possible that they will clutch in a mortal battle. I see no reason for appeasement in BV. As the boiler is on fire, and even the "players" from other regions are extinguished with gasoline instead of water.

[sogdy]

Hmm.
NBC is not a source, but claims that the other day Trump wildly cursed at Netanyahu, quoting the immortal classic Lavrov.

[Thunderbolt]

I understood, and why they swore, "... I took it to the payday and did not give it back .." or on another question))).

[sogdy]

He called the "source of war" in BV.
I don’t like "American", as they say - at least stand, at least fall.

[Shahno]

In this situation, the prime minister had to answer "himself like that." I hope for a word in his pocket he did not reach.

[sogdy]

So he was not there! Laz, not laz - late!

[Shahno]

Well, I think I still have chances.

[Shahno]

Yes, I heard this duck. It seems like Netanyahu rested, he doesn’t want any two states for two peoples, so Trump is hysterical.

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: Shahno

In this situation, the prime minister had to answer "himself like that."

For classics, this sounds a little different, but washed away the same))).

[sogdy]

Quote: Shahno

does not want any two states for two peoples

And so _ one_ base of half the country takes, and so will be two. Where to put a leg ?!

[Belyash]

ordinary Islamic terrorist, there's nothing to look at

[alexmach]

Is it not too loudly said, especially about a fairly secular country?

[sogdy]

Is it about the Mosad? Or is it about his superior authorities?

[ksp]

Russia has not yet spoken about the Kurdish referendum.
Strange, the right of peoples to self-determination is a basic right.
I do not see the difference between the referendum in Crimea, Abkhazia or Ossetia.
Therefore, the silence of Putin and the Russian Foreign Ministry on this issue is not clear.

[himRa]

Jump better ...
only neatly and then something else the thread will fall off ... for example Mariupol or Odessa

[sogdy]

Quote: ksp

Russia has not yet spoken about the Kurdish referendum.

Tatycho!
The statements of Lavrov, Peskov and Putin are “not a statement of Russia” ?!

[Shahno]

And what do they say?

[sogdy]

And they say "exclusively the internal affair of the country," there is nothing for strangers to do there.

[Shahno]

Clear. But there are no official statements about the legitimacy of the referendum.

[sogdy]

Sorry. About "legitimacy" in the days of "existence in fact" speak only those with some insufficiency.

[Shahno]

That is, everything is legitimate. And de jure, Russia recognizes the independence of the Kurds. But just silently.

[sogdy]

Russia believes that this is a matter exclusively for Iraq.
And yes, learn Latin. Or, at least, terminology.
Better not use unfamiliar words.
"De jure secret path!" - yes! just right for the loony bin.

[Shahno]

Investigabiles viae Domini or Viae Domini imperceptae sunt.
Between the words secretly and silently there is a large abyss. I think in a serious process it does not occur to you to equate them.

[sogdy]

Quote: Shahno

Investigabiles viae Domini or Viae Domini imperceptae sunt.

"Chukchi, don’t get smart, you show a finger" (x)

Quote: Shahno

Between words secretly and silently a big abyss

"Silently by the secret path!" - also good for a diagnosis.

[Shahno]

I then chose between two options you are a psychiatrist or a lawyer. I bow that the psychiatrist. I apologize for being like that. You won’t drink education.

[ksp]

Quote: sogdy

Russia believes that this is a matter exclusively for Iraq.

some duality of position sounds in your words.
Regarding the referenda in Crimea, Abkhazia and Ossetia - like we are the internal affairs of Ukraine and Georgia - this was not called

[sogdy]

Quote: ksp

Regarding the referenda in Crimea, Abkhazia and Ossetia - like we are the internal affairs of Ukraine and Georgia - this was not called

Nothing that you listed - And the previously existing self-sufficient states, by the way, referred to as republics.
Kurdistan is a newly formed unit in the territory previously not owned by it.
When mom leaves for another uncle - this is a divorce. And when the children share the last blanket - this is not for us.

[ksp]

Quote: sogdy

Kurdistan - a newly formed unit in the territory previously not owned by it

Kurdistan

Seljuk sultans became the first rulers who officially used the toponym Kurdistan in the meaning of the territory inhabited by Kurds. Further, the Ottoman sultans, in particular, Selim I Yavuz, often used the toponym Kurdistan in the meaning of the government, the provinces of Kurdistan. In the Territorial Codes of 1848 and 1867 Kurdistan province was officially approved

[Shahno]

And there, like in the Crimea, there were questions about joining the Russian Federation. Ossetia and Abkhazia do not know.

[rotmistr60]

ksp
Therefore, the silence of Putin and the Russian Foreign Ministry on this issue is not clear.

Unclear? Ask. And it’s better to follow the news and then you do not need to once again affect the GDP and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

[aquatic]

Russia has not yet spoken about the Kurdish referendum.
Strange, the right of peoples to self-determination is a basic right.
I do not see the difference between the referendum in Crimea, Abkhazia or Ossetia.
Therefore, the silence of Putin’s Foreign Ministry on this issue is not clear

and why speak out) there is not any Kurdistan, and will not.

Kurds are now under Deir Zor under the leadership of "advisers" from all known countries shoulder to shoulder with the "igil" squeezing the territory and oil of the Syrians. They are, as it were, fighting us at the moment. But they are, as it were, the citizens of Syria, ours will agree, and those with whom it will not work out will be crushed by the Turks and Iran, that’s just the point) for Erdogan, the Kurds should be equated with terrorists for health.

[sergey1000]

Kurds, like Israel, are trying as much as possible to squeeze the land under the independent state of Kurdistan while they are fighting precisely with Isil; you don’t have to lie. Cancer is the capital, not Assad Bashar, but there are practically no collisions with Assad, and if Assad does not greet, there will be no problem that Assad doesn’t even consider autonomy for the Kurds at all, so if he makes enemies in the face of the Kurds, then only he will be to blame

[protoss]

Israel didn’t succeed in squeezing something; the igil was much more squeezed in a couple of years.

[sergey1000]

we didn’t succeed so let our Kurdish brothers succeed

[aquatic]

Quote: sergey1000

Kurds, like Israel, are trying as much as possible to squeeze the land under the independent state of Kurdistan while they are fighting precisely with Isil; you don’t have to lie. Cancer is the capital, not Assad Bashar, but there are practically no collisions with Assad, and if Assad does not greet, there will be no problem that Assad doesn’t even consider autonomy for the Kurds at all, so if he makes enemies in the face of the Kurds, then only he will be to blame

I’m talking about this) Deir Zor is Syrian land, the Kurds are trying to squeeze it under the Kurdistan, therefore they are enemies, unless of course they won’t leave after defeating the “igil”). Well, the fact that Israel is also trying to squeeze the most land so I know everything) is this his problem, the Kurds have 0 chances for Kurdistan, Israel wants to be in this with the Kurds)? this is also his problem)

[Alexander 3]

These are democratic values ​​- a referendum in Crimea, a referendum in Catalonia, a referendum in Iraq. Even don’t go to your grandmother, what the outcome will be.

[Knizhnik]

A little distorted. A referendum is a global idea with the aim of balancing (from their point of view) the influence of Turkey that has gone out of control. It’s just that in troubled regions, instead of diplomats, they send scouts, it is a common practice whether it is worth making noise about it.

[sogdy]

Quote: Knizhnik

Referendum - a global idea

So, 3 million are eager to complicate the life of the “nimagu” to the remaining 37 million?

Quote: Knizhnik

in order to balance (from their point of view) the influence of Turkey, which has got out of control.

So interesting are these "they."

[Knizhnik]

Shaw Vi say well, after all, 3 million people are also people and also want to live, preferably well. Why 37, I speak for 80 million. "They" - there are many of them, and they are different.

[sogdy]

Quote: Knizhnik

Why 37, I speak for 80 million.

So I speak for the Kurds, of which you have a lot.
But sho speak for 80 million (Iraqis?) - while they are under occupation, who will give them the word ?!

[Fedalex]

Explain - 80 million Kurds? Or Iraqis?

[sogdy]

If there are 40 million Kurds of all in the world

[himRa]

Quote: Knizhnik

A referendum is a global idea with the goal of balancing (from their point of view) the influence of Turkey that has gone out of control.

Dear, is it really all for the sake of Turkey alone !?
Think narrowly, wider ... need ... wider

[Knizhnik]

Not wider, but wider. "She Turkey" is not enough? As in a joke - the wife cheated on her husband only once. With a symphony orchestra.

[Knizhnik]

But seriously, Turkey’s growing independence required external balancing. Firstly, it is moving away from the influence of Europe, which until recently fed Turkey exclusively with fables for joining the EU, while the issue has not been posed yet. Secondly, an unsuccessful alliance with the United States, for the sake of dismembering Syria, also crashed and generated mutual displeasure. The first attempt was radical - the organization of the coup and the bringing to power of accommodating politicians - failed, Erdogan only became embittered. It's time to get an ace from the sleeve - Kurdish independence. And no one asked the opinion of Iraq, as you see.

[intelligence reported]

Erdogan found himself trapped. On the one hand, he fears that a declaration of war on the Kurdish region in Iraq will lead to a new outbreak of terror against the Turkish regime. On the other hand, if he does not declare war on Iraqi Kurds, his own Kurdish citizens may also demand independence.

Awareness of this hopeless situation drives Erdogan out of himself. It is no accident that his recent statements regarding the referendum had nothing to do with diplomatic statements.

In recent days, Iranian Kurds have demanded that their government recognize the independence of Iraqi Kurdistan against the background of the referendum held by their brothers in Iraq. But it seems that they clearly understand that the Iranian government does not recognize the Kurdish state.

Such a step would inevitably prompt both the Iranian Kurds themselves and other Iranian minorities: Balochis, Azerbaijanis, Arabs, Luris, Kashkays and many others, to demand independence for themselves. The process of gaining independence by all of them will be the end of an artificial Iranian state in which only about half of the citizens are Persians.

[intelligence reported]

http://mida.org.il/2017/09/27/מתיחות-גואה-סביב-כו
רדיסט

[sogdy]

Quote: Intelligence has reported

the end of an artificial Iranian state in which only about half of the citizens are Persians.

It's funny History says that no _state_ can emerge _natural_ (without strong external influence) from one nation. And "strong internal influence" is still a natural way.

[intelligence reported]

The state of Israel must support the Kurds on the path to independence. He can do this by training the Kurdish military, selling weapons, technological and economic cooperation, and bringing the Kurdish issue to the heart of Congress, the Senate, and the American president.
Israeli interest is clear. Kurds number about 40 million people, and they control four countries bordering our enemies: Iran, Iraq, Syria and Turkey. The independence and prosperity of Iraqi Kurdistan will encourage Kurds in the other three countries to demand their rights even more intensely, up to intensifying unrest against their regimes. In Syria, in fact, they are already semi-independent, but in fact with Pashmerga they win and have territorial achievements. It is hoped that Turkish Kurds, inspired by their Iraqi Kurdish brothers, will intensify their attacks on Erdogan’s dictatorial regime. But, first of all, I wish the day that the Iranian Kurds start a rebellion against the Ayatollah regime, followed by other oppressed minorities in the Persian region, such as the Baloch and Arabs.
Amen. Let it be so.

[sogdy]

Quote: Intelligence has reported

the state of Israel ... to the very heart of Congress, the Senate and the American President.

Are you sure you're talking about _state_? For deny its sovereignty and self-sufficiency.

[intelligence reported]

and what is the denial?

[Alexanast]

For deny its sovereignty and self-sufficiency.

Yes, he does not deny, but directly indicates to whom this state belongs

[Shahno]

Here's how to look. One can see in this statement doubts about the self-sufficiency of the states. If our representatives really can strongly promote ideas in the congress. But I would not be so sure of the influence of the Jewish lobby now.

[intelligence reported]

Yes, everything is very simple, the USA is a member of the UN Security Council, their bases in Iraq, so if the United States and their capabilities deal with this issue from Israel’s submission. everything must be chewed)

[sogdy]

Quote: Intelligence has reported

Yes, everything is very simple, USA is a member of the UN Security Council

RF, PRC, France are permanent members of the UN Security Council. And yet there are bases, and the “ends” are closer.
The right is somehow primitive to talk about "opportunities". Similar to a minor torpedo.

[intelligence reported]

"Drunk and Radio"

[sogdy]

Well, if the drunken radio drives nonsense, we can only appreciate the elegance of the run. Or prognathy? (conceived)

[andrewkor]

Have you forgotten to mention the Palestinians, is it not tolerant, is it not divine, or are they not people for you, unlike the distant Kurds?

[intelligence reported]

so the topic is different, when there will be a topic about the Arabs of Gaza, Judea and Samaria, then they can be discussed. and today about the Kurds

[sogdy]

That is, without smearing, "not people."

[intelligence reported]

"" It is indicative that the head of the Palestinian Authority, Mahmoud Abbas, tirelessly insisting on the right to state registration for the "Palestinian nation" (the draft of which, in the opinion of many unbiased observers, has already failed in general), quite consistently opposes the granting of similar rights to the Kurds. The ancient people, who have their own language, distinctive culture and stable ethnic identity, that is, are among the few ethno-ethnic groups with Jews in the Middle East who are fully consistent with the concept of "rights to national self-determination" in its original meaning.

And by the way, whose regional autonomy is incomparably more wealthy economically than receiving giant donor contributions per capita of the PNA. "

[Shahno]

The problem is that the Palestinians under the jurisdiction of Israel have never requested a referendum and will not. Change the slums of Gaza for prosperity? The people are one .....

[sogdy]

Yes, they are for the war to a victorious end. What is such a "referendum"?

[Shahno]

Who are they. Extremists?

[sogdy]

Ta nii. So who will call members of the Jewish sect extremists directly?
These are about those who deny the right of power as a right of possession. We bought you only the English base. And for the ransom of the rest of the territories you can’t imagine a receipt. Referring to the historical and holy power of the Talmud, but weapons are not hidden.

[Shahno]

Well, what receipts. You don’t know how the Arabs reacted.

[sergey1000]

for heaven’s sake, let the Palestinians, like the Kurds, declare their independence only if they don’t rely on light and water for Israeli gas and let them work in their factories and get paid in their own currency and not in shekels. Israel offered gas to Egypt a thousand times because it borders on Egypt but Egypt does not need this suitcase without a handle

[White Brut]

So who are you now in line Turkish or Iranian Kurds?

[Knizhnik]

Dangerous game, well, you and cards in hand.
Firstly, Erdogan is not the whole of Turkey; by jeopardizing the state, the opposite effect can be achieved - the consolidation of even yesterday’s critics around it. And about Iran, everything is clear to you, the "evil empire." But is there any guarantee that something worse will not occur in its place?

[protoss]

funny you Jews have been living in this region for 70 years, but you never bothered to study it. Kurds never controlled anything, it just so happened. and they were always lower in the food hierarchy than their neighbors - Arabs, Persians, especially Turks. you bet on notorious losers.

[sergey1000]

no, you and then they wrote off debts to them for billions from sowing Korea to Venezuela and Guinea. Israel set the Kurds as they once set the result for southern Sudan. Southern Sudan won and the Kurds won.

[protoss]

Iran has two nations - Persians and Azeri, all sorts of Balochs with Kurds there are traditionally about nothing. until the first two quarrel among themselves, independence shines for the others.

[Knizhnik]

There is no such Azeri nation, there are Turks - Azerbaijanis, they have been trying to play this card for a long time. But it is interesting, despite the smallest (in comparison with other nationalities) cultural freedoms, patriotism prevails among them. So it’s unlikely that Iran can be shaken, well, at least it’s very difficult.

[protoss]

the problem is that the “Azerbaijanis" of Iran do not have a well-established unique ethnonym. to call them Azerbaijanis somehow doesn’t work out very well, because Azerbaijanis are you, residents of the Republic of Azerbaijan. it’s more correct to call them simply “Turk”, but also inconvenient, because there is confusion with the Turks of Turkey or the Turks as a language group. to call kyzylbashi somehow too old-fashioned. what is left? apply such a semi-slang “Azeri”, although it’s also garbage, because the current Iranian Turks have long ceased to use the medieval Azeri language of the Iranian group.

[Knizhnik]

Yes, this is a problem)

[protoss]

you would have gathered at your council there and decided something with self-designations. they determined in Central Asia: western Turkestan - Uzbeks, eastern Turkestan - Uyghurs, and everything is clear.

[andrewkor]

In Kurdistan, Mossad stirs up water, in Spain the CIA, everything is agreed and synchronized!

[sergey1000]

we will succeed as always!

[LAWNER]

It is time to help the state of Israel in a difficult struggle in the Middle East. Act on the Soros program. Arrange the Arab spring in Jordan. Then the same thing happens in Qatar.
The coup in Qatar will forever close the question of the North African gas pipeline. Then Syria and the Kurds will be of no interest to anyone.
To the Jordanians to transfer the channel of the Jordan River into the country. Israel will be in plus. By agreement, the border moves after the channel of the river. (A cheerful mess will turn out)
The Egyptians take control of the Suez Canal. Tourists are no longer there, if Suez is not Khan.
Well, and Cyprus completely give Turks .... This is my dream)))

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: LAWNER

Well, and Cyprus completely give Turks .... This is my dream)))

How to give it away ..? Replace the straits and Antalya for rent for $ 1 to our Rostourism, give it for a walk!

[sogdy]

Quote: LAWNER

The Egyptians take control of the Suez Canal.

And when was he with them? They work there for the Master.

[orthodox]

The way it is

[intelligence reported]

that's right, Bibi warned Erdogash "Living with a glass castle, you can not throw stones at the ceiling"

[sogdy]

Quote: Intelligence has reported

Bibi warned Erdogash

I would like to recall respect for the absent.

[intelligence reported]

Quote: sogdy

I would like to recall respect for the absent.

Are you serious? read VO archives and don't be hypocritical

[sogdy]

I read, I see where and how they banyat. Ano nada?
Yes, and just disgusting ...

[intelligence reported]

Well, I have not seen anyone banned for the word "s". just don’t have to be a hypocrite. you can not be a little pregnant

[sogdy]

Quote: Intelligence has reported

just don’t have to be a hypocrite. you can not be a little pregnant

Are you sure of the meaning and proper use of the word "hypocrite"?
After "de jure" vague doubts gnaw at me.

[A. Privalov]

From a practical point of view, the Kurds have now been more than twenty-five years since the world banned Saddam Hussein’s air force from flying over their territory, moving along the path to their independence. For this quarter of a century, they have formed a legitimate, democratic, organized and fully decent self-government. In addition, the Kurds were able to create a disciplined and effective army that proved its strength in successful battles against the Islamic state in Mosul, as well as the established media giving the word to various positions, a stable society living without internal violence, and a thriving economy based on oil and gas production. her products.
Just as the French, the Dutch, the Egyptians, the Israelis and many other nations of the world live in their nation-state. They want to transform their de facto independence de jure, finally getting international recognition. And the main factor motivating them is national pride for the successes and achievements of the last twenty-five years, along with the memory of the past and the wars that were fought against them by the central government of Iraq throughout the twentieth century, against the background of historical hostility between the Kurds and Arabs.

[sogdy]

Quote: A. Privalov

Just like the French, the Dutch, the Egyptians live in their nation state,

"National" states? How many francs are there in the union state of France? And where did they see the Dutchman? Two enclaves with us, four in China! Similarly, in Egypt, the overwhelming majority of the population are Arabs of various stripes up to the difference of nation.

I apologize, but the stuffing is not protected.

[rocket757]

Banned! And what a result!
Previously, you had to think when watching / Anglo-Saxons and others like them. states and borders in the east were cut!
Not for the sons of Israel it is clear the question of survival, how would allies be needed or a big war in the east ... but what do Europeans want ??? More refugees?

[donavi49]

Well, now Iran-Iraq-Turkey is constantly consulting at the level of presidents, chiefs of the General Staff, and defense ministers. Erdogan and a large delegation of the Defense Ministry including the chief of the General Staff arrived in Iran. Erdogan himself also met separately with the Iranian military bloc. Iraq has also forgotten past grievances (they threatened to bomb the Turks and the UN constantly scribbled papers about the deployment of Turkish bases on Iraqi soil in 2015) and is now actively working to resolve the Kurdish issue.

The piquancy is that Erdogan’s best friend is Barzani, who is actually responsible for crises. It was he who invited the Turkish military base to his place in Kurdistan. And it was he who forced the referendum on secession from Iraq. And now it’s not clear whose multi-step this is. Perhaps the current secession from Iraq is part of the Erdogan-Barzani plan.

[sogdy]

Quote: donavi49

Perhaps the current separation from Iraq is part of the Erdogan-Barzani plan.

... and the Kurdistan Representative Office in Moscow ...

Most interestingly, this is what the sculpted friends of the Kurds and Peshmerga - the United States are doing there. Somehow they hid very much, but it is still alarming.

[sogdy]

Quote: Shahno

I then chose between two options you are a psychiatrist or a lawyer. I bow that the psychiatrist.

And why only TWO options? Even somehow offensive. Once, and only two. Some kind of Hegelian dialectic. Where is the synthesis?

[padded jacket]

Yes, there’s nothing surprising in Erdogan’s words, because it is the Israeli regime that is the main “center” from which all wars and conflicts in the Middle East are fired because created by the ARTICLE Israeli state it simply cannot live without war and violence around itself because it is precisely in conditions of chaos (preferably worldwide) that it is more convenient for them to make shekels euro dollars “by blood” and Israel undoubtedly had a hand in the Kurdish referendum, and one of the reasons for holding it is an attempt to save Israel’s sponsored Syrian opposition (read terrorists)
This is what the Minister of Defense of the Tel Aviv Liberman regime says about this.
Israel calls on the US to be more active in Syria to help it fight the Russians, Iranians and Turks
The Israeli defense minister called on Washington to engage more actively in Syria, where President Bashar al-Assad wins. The official asked for more US involvement, saying that Israel is struggling to fight “Russians, Iranians, Turks, and Hezbollah.”

“We hope that the United States will be more active in the Syrian arena and in the Middle East as a whole,” said Avigdor Lieberman in an interview with the Israeli newspaper Walla on Tuesday.

“In the northern arena, we encountered Russians, Iranians, as well as Turks and Hezbollah. The public does not know anything, and this is good, but it is an investment of money and effort 24 hours a day, seven days a week. "
The minister apparently expressed his serious fears that "in spite of everything, Assad is winning the battle." He also called the situation in Syria "one of the greatest absurdities."
According to a right-wing Israeli official, “all of a sudden they run to get closer to Assad,” including countries in the West are “in line” to get closer to the Syrian president.

According to another unsuccessful scenario for Israel, the situation in Syria has led to large-scale consolidation of Iran, according to Lieberman.
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[intelligence reported]

In mid-October, Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Sergey Shoigu will arrive in Israel on an official visit. This information, published by Kan Bet radio station, NEWSru.co.il was confirmed by official sources in the Ministry of Defense of Israel. According to published information, Shoigu will be the official guest of the Minister of Defense of Israel Avigdor Liberman.

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Quote: Intelligence has reported

In mid-October, Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Sergey Shoigu will arrive in Israel on an official visit.

You see, what a difficult job Shoigu has even to attend sponsors of fanatic bandits

[ksp]

Quote: quilted jacket

Quote: Intelligence has reported

In mid-October, Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Sergey Shoigu will arrive in Israel on an official visit.

You see, what a difficult job Shoigu has even to attend sponsors of fanatic bandits

The king of Saudi Arabia paid an official visit to Moscow.
Is SA the main sponsor of ISIS?
And we give them arms worth 3 billion.
I don’t understand anything.

[anjey]

then pass their experimental black and green hamsters with giblets ....

[And Us Rat]

Quote: ksp

I don’t understand anything.

This is normal when propaganda is confronted with reality. The natural victims of such a process are “faithful believers” in propaganda. They have a “template break” and a “shock to the foundations of the universe.”

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Quote: ksp

I don’t understand anything.

And this has long been noticeable

[intelligence reported]

Israel strongly protested against the visit of the Kremlin by the leader of the military wing of Hamas, Salah Aruri. The Minister of Ecology and Affairs of Jerusalem Zeev Elkin met in Moscow with the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Russia Sergey Lavrov and stated that from the point of view of Israel such actions are absolutely unacceptable.

A Hamas delegation arrived in Moscow on September 19. It was headed by the deputy head of the political bureau of the organization, Musa Abu Marzuk. He held talks with Russia's Deputy Foreign Minister for the Middle East, Mikhail Bogdanov.

Photographs taken during the negotiations showed that the head of the Hamas military wing, Salah al-Aruri, was also present at the meeting.

Until 2007, Aruri was in an Israeli prison for terrorist activities. In recent years, he has been responsible for terrorist activities in Judea and Samaria. For several years, Aruri lived in Turkey, from where he led the terrorist attacks against the Israelis. In a brief period of improving relations between Israel and Turkey, Aruri was deported to the capital of Qatar, Doha. He was deported from Qatar a few months ago and is currently hiding in Lebanon.

Zeev Elkin said that the issue of Aruri’s visit to Moscow was one of the key issues in negotiations with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov. Elkin noted that over the years, disputes have arisen between Israel and the Russian Federation over attitudes towards Hamas, but this case is completely egregious.

“I told Lavrov that there are borders in communication with Hamas that are better not to be crossed,” added Minister Elkin. - According to Israel, in this case, these borders were crossed.

[intelligence reported]

During the meeting, Elkin handed over to Lavrov documents confirming the participation of Aruri in terrorist activities and the killing of Israelis. Aruri also participated in planning for the abduction and murder of three Jewish teenagers in Gush Etzion three years ago. Hamas then claimed responsibility for the attack.

“I told Lavrov that in this case my personal feelings were affected,” said Elkin. - The guys were abducted from a bus stop located in the immediate vicinity of the settlement where I lived for many years. Every day my son waited there for a bus. I told Lavrov that my son could be one of the abducted children. And how should I feel in connection with the fact that Aruri is an official guest of the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs?

According to Elkin, Lavrov was surprised. He turned to his advisers and asked how Aruri received an entry visa to Russia. He was told that he was part of the official Hamas delegation.

Lavrov assured Elkin that this would not happen again. He also denied information according to which Hamas opens an official representative office in Moscow.

In an interview with the Echo of Moscow radio station, Minister Elkin noted that the decision of the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs to accept the “blood on their hands” terrorists as official guests was erroneous. Elkin added that Israel and Russia are closely cooperating in the fight against terror, and thanks to the actions of Israeli intelligence, it has repeatedly managed to avoid terrorist attacks against Russian citizens.

“I think that the approach should be the same for all terrorists,” Zeev Elkin emphasized. - People like Salah Aruri should not be official guests of the Russian Foreign Ministry.

[LAWNER]

Nelson Mandela also sat.

[sergey1000]

are you talking about someone about your ayatollahs or about the Wahhabis of the Saudis like they sold them to s400 and not to Israel we have the glory of GOD has its own air defense

[sogdy]

ksp,
Using a toponym and owning a state that requires defense and its own economy are two big differences.
Throughout the written history, the Kurds held the "right of passage" rather than territories.
Therefore, let me remain with the generally accepted opinion that Kurdistan is a new education that never existed before.

I explain to those who still do not understand: the position of the Russian Federation - all the showdowns only with the owner of the territory. No "helpers." All the rest are aggressors.

[anjey]

Erdogan believes that the very idea of ​​the independence of the Kurdish autonomy from Iraq with a referendum could belong to the Israeli secret services.

we say Israel immediately boldly mean the United States, two twin brothers ...

[anjey]

The United States and Israel, the “Godfathers” of modern terror, will go down in history and there will be a just court ...

[sergey1000]

How many Israel carried out terrorist attacks in Europe shouting Shabbat Shalom? give at least one example

[Radikal]

Quote: Shahno

Yes, he was without thinking. And suddenly the Mossad will find plants that supply weapons to Hezbole and in Turkey. It’s awkward.

It was from this that Erdogan asked S-400 from Russia ...

[anjey]

Quote: sergey1000

How many Israel carried out terrorist attacks in Europe shouting Shabbat Shalom? give at least one example

modern terror at the state level is more ambitious and veiled in every way, you don’t know ... your support alone is worth a lot, not even mentioning Palestine and the gas sector .... and the Mossad itself nurtures and bribes terrorists who bombard deserts, to cut loot

[LeonidL]

What a laugh, this Erdogan, however !!!!!

[Livonetc]

Quote: sergey1000

we didn’t succeed so let our Kurdish brothers succeed

Sergey,
If it’s not difficult, please educate about the brotherhood with the Kurds.
Thanks in advance.

[Shahno]

As far as I remember there is such a myth that Muhammad declared the Arabs descendants of Ishmael so that they would be from God ... Maybe this is a brotherhood. And so if they unite, they will definitely feel "in the shoes" of the Jews.

[Livonetc]

Quote: Shahno

As far as I remember there is such a myth that Muhammad declared the Arabs descendants of Ishmael so that they would be from God ... Maybe this is a brotherhood. And so if they unite, they will definitely feel "in the shoes" of the Jews.

So the Arabs are related to the Semites.
And the Kurds seem to be closer to the Persians, at least in terms of language.