Three predators killed by mistake

The article indicates the date of the front baptism of the "Tiger II" - 13 August 1944 of the year. However, in the journal of hostilities (VBD) 53 th Gu. TBR means that the first three "Royal Tigers" were hit a day earlier, namely 12 of August. There was a witness confirming this date - my friend.

In 1955, I worked in the garage of Peat Transport in Orekhovo-Zuev, and we had Alexei Zaitsev, a participant in the Battle of Kursk, as a mechanic. Under Prokhorovka on July 12, 1943, he, a T-70 driver, was seriously wounded. After prolonged treatment at the hospital, he ended up in the 53rd Guards. TBR 3rd TA for “easy after injury” work - refueling tanks Fuels and lubricants. There he was an eyewitness to the debut of the Royal Tigers on the Eastern Front.

According to Alexei Dmitrievich, the night of August 12, 1944, passed relatively calmly, and in the morning he and his comrades were going to celebrate their 20 anniversary. Suddenly, in the morning haze, the fighters saw huge tanks similar to the “Panther” crawling on the hollow from the Oglenduv 14. As Zaytsev used to say, “it was thought — on the arc he survived, but these slammed.” But rescued all the gunner T-34-85 Abubakir Merhaidarov. He did not agree with the tank commander and said that he saw “Panthers” in the sight, whom he had already hit. And vmazal three tanks in the side. When they caught fire, the rest turned back to Ogleduv. In the middle of the day, when there was a temporary lull, Abubakir told Zaitsev details.

Toward evening, the German tanks attempted to return, but they were met by the approaching ISU-152 regiment, which gave the Nazis a good bashing.

On the night of August 13, two tanks 3-th TB (battalion commander Mazurin) 53-th Gu. The TBR with a company of machine gunners (according to Zaitsev - penalty box) took Ogleduv, cleared it of the Germans and only then captured documents and a working tank showed that it was not the “Panthers”, but the newest Konigstiger.

There is an excerpt from the RCB 53 th Gu. TBR 6-th Gu. TC 3 th Gu. TA: "12.08.44 g., 8.30. In 7.00 from Oglenduwa, 14 tanks and two armored personnel carriers launched an attack on a nameless height east of Oglenduwa. The attack of the enemy was repelled. Tanks in the combat area - 9. Damage to the enemy - 3 tank ("Panther"). "

But the report in 6-th Guards. TK: "13.08.44 16.00. Captured T-VI tanks ("King of Tigers") - 5 with broken tracks (2 tanks will be restored) ".

Comments

[parusnik]

ISU-152, which gave the Nazis a good bashing

.... "Hunters" called ISU-152, if not mistaken ..

[WUA 518]

Quote: parusnik

. "Hunters" called ISU-152, if not mistaken ..

"Hypericum"

[parusnik]

Exactly ... "St. John's Wort" ... spun one in my head, wrote another ..

[Trevis]

Is it a Panther tower?

[WUA 518]

Quote: Trevis

Is it a Panther tower?

[Rurikovich]

This year we installed ISU-152 "St. John's wort"

In a festive atmosphere, with a company of honor guard, as a gift to the city from the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Belarus

[rumatam]

no "Hypericum".

[mat-vey]

The Germans called the "can opener".

[svp67]

Honestly, the point is not important when these tanks appeared against our grandfathers and great-grandfathers, it is important that they already learned how to fight, which they proved by destroying the enemy without suffering losses in their equipment ... Thanks to the ancestors, for your EXPLORATION, Nationwide.

[Monarchist]

Quote: parusnik

ISU-152, which gave the Nazis a good bashing

.... "Hunters" called ISU-152, if not mistaken ..

They called ISU 152 not “hunters, but St. John's wort”. At least I read such an unofficial name, I also heard from the T34 driver, but he only saw closely the IS, but he heard about these self-propelled guns, but he didn’t see it

[Gips]

Hypericum

[Monarchist]

Kamrad WUA, thanks for the pictures, I especially like the top one.
If I am not mistaken, the Germans first used the Tiger on the Volkhov Front in December 1942. Then our PTOshniks destroyed one tank, later German sappers blew it up at night so that the Russians could not study it well. In the XNUMXs, the wreckage of this tank was found
True, somewhere, I met information that the Tiger first came to the Eastern Front in the spring of 1943.
Kraus writes that the Russians soon learned all the technical characteristics of the tank, the best of the Germans.
I read “Tanks in the mud” of the Corps and another German “Pilot thing” (I forgot the author), it seemed to me that the tankman had a certain respect for us, but he “rattled” a little: 2 or 3 tigers almost exterminated 100 ISs. This is how many hundreds of thousands of tanks we had, that Kraus exterminated a hundred donkeys, “Pilot thing” lies that 50% of our tanks were destroyed, and they are like from a bottomless well

[Proxima]

Quote: Monarchist

I read “Tanks in the mud” of the Corps and another German “Pilot thing” (I forgot the author), it seemed to me that the tankman had a certain respect for us, but he “rattled” a little: 2 or 3 tigers almost exterminated 100 ISs. This is how many hundreds of thousands of tanks we had, that Kraus exterminated a hundred donkeys, “Pilot thing” lies that 50% of our tanks were destroyed, and they are like from a bottomless well

To refer to the memoirs of the defeated side - TO CHEAT YOURSELF. These offended warriors retroactively take revenge, only at the desk.

[hohol95]

"PILOT" PIECES "is the memoirs" EXPERIENCES "by HANS RUDEL (nickname in the Luftwaffe" Stredel ")
“TIGERS in the mud” is NOT LESS EPOCHIC “EXPLOSIONS” in the description of the memoirs of OTTO CARIUS (who destroyed, in passing, 28 Soviet GHOST TANKS in 1944)!

[WUA 518]

Quote: Monarchist

"Pilot thing" lies that 50% of our tanks destroyed, and they are like from a bottomless well

Hans-Ulrich Rudel. Pilot Pieces
He mastered pages 30-40. Briefly, you can retell this opus:
How I alone defeated the Soviet Army!
The most interesting thing is that when he was transferred to the Western Front, while flying the FW-190 he did not win a single victory! It is not clear where the whole Aryan skill has gone. One of the most stubborn followers of Hitler!

[Conductor]

Just eating is not possible, what is this Rudel As))))

[WUA 518]

Quote: Conductor

Just eating is not possible

Things are good! Eat

[Proxima]

Quote: Conductor

Just eating is not possible, what is this Rudel As))))

Here is a real ace, your fellow countryman - Talgat Begeldinov. Perhaps pilot number 1 in the history of attack aircraft.

[Aviator_]

A direct descendant of Baron Munchausen.

[faiver]

the tigers were first used by the Germans in September 42 - the debut was unsuccessful ..., one of the wounded tigers went to the Red Army

[Rurikovich]

The article, in fact, refers to the "Royal Tiger" ("Tiger II")

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Rurikovich

The article, in fact, refers to the "Royal Tiger" ("Tiger II")

Yeah ... landed on board from the T-34/85
But ... people got carried away, "word for word, something on the table"
But in general - it did not surprise even once. Well, no luck Royal Tigers ... well, it happens. A gunner - ma-lad-tsa

[faiver]

I answered the Monarchist about the combat debut of the first tigers ... but I am aware of the article

[hohol95]

The first TWO Tigers of the Red Army captured during the breaking of the siege of Leningrad in January 1943!
In the battles of August-September 1942 in the Sinyavinsky swamps, the actions of the Tigers were NOT noticed by our fighters! There were 4 of them - 3 were stuck in a swamp and pulled them out "ALL THE GERMAN WORLD"! The fourth one was burned down because of the crew’s fear that a stalled tank would be captured by RED! And threw a grenade into the hatch! TANK BURNED OUT! After a MONTH, by Hitler’s personal order, the burnt out building WAS EXPLODED!

[novel66]

the tanker Carius, and the monk - Rudel. little nonsense that is is

[vadimbes]

Rudel, was a pilot of the FW-190 and Yu-87 attack aircraft, they didn’t set planes for him to shoot down, but he shot them down more than many of our fighter pilots. Opponent must be respected, and not throw caps, it was a strong opponent.

[verner1967]

Quote: vadimbes

He shot them down more than many of our fighter pilots.

many of our fighters didn’t shoot down even one aircraft, their tasks were covering, which they did. So your statement is by no means. But Rudel’s assets include more than 5000 sorties and this is in the ancient Yu-87, here I completely agree with you

Quote: vadimbes

Opponent must be respected, not thrown hats,

[vadimbes]

to shoot down an aircraft on the Yu-87, with its speed and ability to aerial combat, not by a radio gunner, but from the front cannons and machine guns, is still a task ... And the fact that our fighters did not shoot down (did not destroy the enemy) while covering the bombers and attack aircraft, then our losses in the war, bombers and attack aircraft from the attacks of the "KILLERS" of the enemy say a lot.

[verner1967]

Quote: vadimbes

to shoot down an aircraft on the Yu-87, with its speed and ability for aerial combat, not from a gunner-radio operator, but from front cannons and machine guns, is still that task.

you in vain think that the Yu-87 was not capable of aerial combat. I read about the English pilots, and so it was written there that after the bombs were dropped while repelling the Hurricane attacks on the U-87, the outcome of the battle was very ambiguous. Yes, Hurricane is not the pinnacle of aircraft manufacturing, but the pilots are English.

[hohol95]

However, Kaberov was able to shoot down the "PIECES" and the British "HURRICANES" (Hurricanes)
The pilot was SOVIET!

[verner1967]

Quote: hohol95

However, Kaberov was able to shoot down "STUKI"

many succeeded, it is not without reason that by the 44th they began to change to “fokkers”

[alstr]

We even had IL-2 shot down.

[hohol95]

How many DRIVERS OF GEBBELS WRITTEN TO him WRITTEN - SO HE AND "SUSPENDED"!
He and 4 armored trains WRITTEN! And in his memoirs he did not say a word about them!
MEMORED FROM AGING?

[vadimbes]

even if they are divided by 5 (from Goebbels), there will still be a lot for the attack aircraft

[hohol95]

Why not divide by 25?
Although 9 planes are divided by 5 = 1,8 planes !!!
Despite the fact that Rudel was frankly lucky - he was hit 32 times !!!
But he got off only by amputation of the right leg below the knee!

[moskowit]

..and the newest Koningstiger ...

The Germans did not practice this name of the tank ... All designations of armored vehicles received the letter abbreviation PzKpfw (short for Panzerkampfwagen-armored fighting vehicle) and serial number. Modifications are indicated by the letters of the German alphabet in order and the abbreviated word Ausfuhrung-model, execution, option ....

The new tank received the designation Panzerkampfwagen VI Ausf.B (Sd.Kfz.182), later replaced by the Panzerkampfwagen - Tiger Ausf.B or Tiger II. The unofficial name Konigstiger - “The Royal Tiger” - was used quite rarely in the Wehrmacht, but it was it that became the most popular among the opponents of Germany.

[Cat]

In 1944, by Hitler’s personal order, the digital designation of the model “Pz + number” was abolished and in the docs used the name “Tiger II” or “Royal Tiger”. Say reform also touched Panther with the Tigers - ordinary!

[WapentakeLokki]

St. John's wort, he’s St. John’s wort, he’s only got a crooked gun (in the sense of a sight). If he hits, he’ll kill but with accuracy so-so (Soviet optics of the Second World War is still optics). Therefore, you need to sneak up (crawl, leak out) closer and then ... And with the Fritz their KwK confidently took our armor from 1.5-2 km.

[not main]

Quote: WapentakeLokki

St. John's wort, he’s St. John’s wort, he’s only got a crooked gun (in the sense of a sight). If he hits, he’ll kill but with accuracy so-so (Soviet optics of the Second World War is still optics). Therefore, you need to sneak up (crawl, leak out) closer and then ... And with the Fritz their KwK confidently took our armor from 1.5-2 km.

I wonder where did you get this data? And what kind of armor did KwK take? Maybe T-60 or Is-2? All the same, for such statements it would be necessary to give facts! But not blah .. blah!

[Mooh]

St. John's wort was crooked not because of optics, but because of the ballistics of his short-barreled howitzer. But with his caliber, this was not too fundamental. A close gap of a 152mm high-explosive shell put tanks out of action no worse than a direct hit by a smaller caliber armor-piercing shell.

[Monarchist]

Quote: WUA 518

Quote: Monarchist

"Pilot thing" lies that 50% of our tanks destroyed, and they are like from a bottomless well

Hans-Ulrich Rudel. Pilot Pieces
He mastered pages 30-40. Briefly, you can retell this opus:
How I alone defeated the Soviet Army!
The most interesting thing is that when he was transferred to the Western Front, while flying the FW-190 he did not win a single victory! It is not clear where the whole Aryan skill has gone. One of the most stubborn followers of Hitler!

You are right: fascism is right there

[Monarchist]

Quote: hohol95

The first TWO Tigers of the Red Army captured during the breaking of the siege of Leningrad in January 1943!
In the battles of August-September 1942 in the Sinyavinsky swamps, the actions of the Tigers were NOT noticed by our fighters! There were 4 of them - 3 were stuck in a swamp and pulled them out "ALL THE GERMAN WORLD"! The fourth one was burned down because of the crew’s fear that a stalled tank would be captured by RED! And threw a grenade into the hatch! TANK BURNED OUT! After a MONTH, by Hitler’s personal order, the burnt out building WAS EXPLODED!

Here I met information about him, but about the capture of the first Tigers in January 1943, information flashed somewhere. Somewhere in the memoirs it was said that this happened in the south later

[Monarchist]

Quote: lUSERMANN

Well, it seems that according to the gunner of the IS-2, he already had optics at the level - at least, and according to him, the increase was very decent. I don’t mention the early t-34s, etc. everything was rather deplorable there

Almost also about the first T3_4, the mechanical driver T34-85 told me