Catalonia intends to proclaim independence in the coming days

The head of Catalonia, Carles Puchdemon, stated that the results of the referendum give every reason to local authorities to declare independence from Spain. According to Puchdemon, the Catalan government will decide on the declaration of sovereignty "either at the end of the current week, or at the beginning of the next week."

The head of Catalonia, however, noted that if official Madrid again attempts to intervene, including force, it will be "a very serious mistake for Spain."

Recall that at a referendum in Catalonia (despite all kinds of measures by the Spanish authorities, which impede the implementation of the plebiscite), about 50% of citizens who have the right to vote voted. 90% of those who were able to reach the polling stations cast their votes for the sovereignty of Catalonia. Official Madrid declared that “there was no referendum in Catalonia”.

The bureaucratic institutions of the European Union called on Madrid and Barcelona to resolve their differences at the negotiating table. At the same time, Brussels notes that they recognize the territorial integrity of Spain as an integral part of the European Union.

Earlier in the Republic of Abkhazia they declared that they are ready to recognize the independence of Catalonia in the event of its proclamation by Barcelona.

Comments

[Herculesic]

I'm all for it"!!! The main thing is to continue the process throughout Europe! Freedom to those who wish to be free! !!!

[Crowe]

No need to carry nonsense! Part of Russia is also Europe!
There are activists, and most importantly money
And to be more precise, the activists who are for money

[Mikhail m]

Quote: Herkulesich

Freedom to those who wish to be free!

Tatarstan, Ichkeria ... Continue?

[mikh-korsakov]

We have to cut it on the nose: they are them, and we - we who want independence in Ichkeria - have already received the due, in which case they will be transferred to others. And in other countries - those who want to - let them go as they do, it doesn’t shake us, but you can blaspheme, because they joked about Chechnya, calling them rebels.

[Mikhail m]

After that, the dual approach to criticize is somehow not handy. For from the opposite side, similar situations look similar.

[mikh-korsakov]

Off hand. from hand - for there is no common truth (not truth, here it is one!). Only one winner has the truth. in the meantime, there is a struggle — there are always two truths — one for each side. Everyone can gather facts in favor of their truth.

[raw174]

Quote: Mikhail M

Tatarstan

I think that in the case of a referendum, the Tatars will not want to secession ... This is a balabstvo of a narrow circle of people, because in the case of secession, Tatarstan will be an enclave without access to the sea and the possibility of trade with the outside world. Without an army, defense and real allies ...

Quote: Mikhail M

Ichkeria

It was ... with external support they can try again, but our positions in Asia are being strengthened in order to minimize support, and they themselves do not want them enough freedom ...

Quote: Mikhail M

Continue?

Well...

[Mikhail m]

Take a look at the sovereignty parade when they grabbed the sovereignty of whoever can. Yakutia, the Urals, Siberia. And Tatarstan is still ruled by the president.

[raw174]

Quote: Mikhail M

Take a look at the sovereignty parade when they grabbed the sovereignty of whoever can. Yakutia, the Urals, Siberia.

This is all nonsense! Hold a referendum and no one wants to disconnect. There are no prerequisites, in society there is no request for disconnection from the Russian Federation.

[Sharansky]

And if so what will happen?

[raw174]

Quote: Sharansky

And if so what will happen?

Why put the cart in front of the horse. Now the central government is making enough efforts to maintain the integrity of the country. This stems from the fact that this request is not. By efforts I understand not only political and economic measures, but also the strengthening of the power bloc of power in the internal arena.
If the population of a certain region wants to leave the Russian Federation, then the solution of the question will depend on the position of the center, but such a turn is possible with a weak and indecisive president who will either allow collapse or use brute force and economic conviction. At the negotiating table, such issues are not resolved, because of the fundamental difference in the positions of the parties, only the surrender of one of the negotiators (under any pressure) will lead to a solution to the situation in one of the parties.

[Sharansky]

That is, the regions of Russia do not have the right to self-determination?

[raw174]

Quote: Sharansky

That is, the regions of Russia do not have the right to self-determination?

There is a right (our Crimea!), But the possibility of its implementation depends on the benefits for the center, as well as its determination and will. Not only in Russia, everywhere, nobody canceled double standards, we can say anything, but the principle of “own shirt closer to the body” here works very clearly! I can be mistaken, but the UN Kosovo referendum recognized, but there is no Crimea and no Catalonia ...

[Sharansky]

Quote: raw174

double standards have not been canceled

It turns out that everything is just so. Double standarts. Recognize the referendum in Crimea and deny the referendum in the Donbass. The referendum in Catalonia, by the way, Russia also does not recognize.

[citizen242]

I'm not against!
All the same, the subsoil and so forth go to the officials, as we somehow do not fall out of natural resources, etc.

[210ox]

I live in Russia, as you noticed, the European part. But we don’t need such Europe. In terms of technology, yes. But in terms of culture, everyday life, traditions, no, chew yourself. Weakening of Europe? Yes, it is more profitable for us. But “activists”? Yes, these dwellers at all times have been sprinkled, they will sprinkle, and they will sprinkle And that is to say the least.

Quote: Crowe

No need to carry nonsense! Part of Russia is also Europe!
There are activists, and most importantly money
And to be more precise, the activists who are for money

[Hagalaz]

Personally, the relationship between Catalonia and Spain is not very interesting, let them figure it out themselves. But even if they there in the European Union deny this referendum, then, as already mentioned on the website, let Kosovo’s recognition be withdrawn. I think in this aspect and lies the reason for the malice of many members of the forum.

[sharp-lad]

Moreover, in the Kosovo region there was no referendum, except for the occupation by NATO forces!

[Dangerous]

It is strange why the local police in Bars were silent when the people who were visiting drenched people.

[kpotr]

And why do you think that local police did not participate in the suppression, and why are they not patriots of Spain?

[Sergej1972]

Local police did not participate in the suppression. One gets the feeling that the local police are like our PPS and DPS, and the Spanish Civil Guard is like our National Guard, riot police and SOBR.

[Evgeny Krymsky]

And now what? How will it be in the Donbass?

[raw174]

Quote: Evgeny Krymsky

And now what? How will it be in the Donbass?

Nah, there are enlightened, white bone and democracy ... crush in the bud! People accustomed to a high standard of living will be brought to their knees economically.

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: raw174

People accustomed to a high standard of living

so such people will never take up arms! All kinds of strikes will be organized to the detriment of oneself, but on the Internet a bay. Freedom must be reclaimed, but they are not ready for this, again because of their high standard of living

[Nashensky city]

if official Madrid again attempts to intervene, including by force, it will be “a very serious mistake for Spain”

And how is Barcelona going to react, if Madrid does make this “mistake”? Are there any ways to influence? Army in Catalonia on the side of Barcelona?
There will be no independent Catalonia, no one to defend the right of its existence with arms in hand. And Madrid will not let them go peacefully.

[mikh-korsakov]

I would not rejoice in the independence of Catalonia, much less sympathize with it. All analogies with Abkhazia, and even more so with the Crimea or Donbass, are inappropriate, because the events in Catalonia are a whim of the well-fed, this, remembering the Tale of the Golden Fish, the desire to become not a noblewoman, but a free queen, no one oppressed these gentlemen, and they don’t get more money necessary, they already have enough, they no longer deserve it.

[Hoc vince]

"I would not be happy ..."
I agree. Will be announced on November 7, 2017, and then according to the scheme.

[True]

Do not blur our eyes! How is the little man-rocket guam bombing?

[mikh-korsakov]

I quote: Earlier in the Republic of Abkhazia, they stated that they were ready to recognize the independence of Catalonia And Abkhazia must be strictly indicated so as not to be arbitrary

[vladimirvn]

Each state chooses and supports a convenient legal norm, the right of nations to self-determination or territorial integrity and inviolability of borders. And while this ambivalence will exist in international law, civil wars will flare up with renewed vigor.

[mikh-korsakov]

The fact of the matter is that all over the world it is not the state that chooses, but the "group of comrades" from the Washington regional committee. Those who do not obey them are sanctions, you can call them bad words, like Eun does, but the essence does not change.

[Romanenko]

Again accused of all the Russian hacker-kaker.
Well, okay, habitual dislocation.

[NEXUS]

Oh ... so that it does not end with the second Donbass. If Catalonia becomes an independent entity, I feel like waiting for us a parade of sovereignty around the world. I’m not at all surprised if Texas is quietly stepping up its efforts to secede from the United States ...

[Sergej1972]

This Texas was given to you. Are there real forces advocating independence? This state already has a disproportionate influence on US politics and business. Why should they separate? There are a handful of separatists, but they are by no means looking in the direction of Mexico. These are the descendants of those white English-speaking Texans who separated the region from Mexico.

[evil partisan]

Popcorn, beer, moonshine, smoked bream and salted grayling in the studio!

[maxim1987]

The head of Catalonia, however, noted that if official Madrid again attempts to intervene, including force, it will be "a very serious mistake for Spain."

so what will you do? Do you block the roads with tractors? armed militia e?

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

The separation of Catalonia will create problems for Spain, but for Catalonia itself it will simply collapse ... All their welfare is connected with the transport logistics of Spain, the open market of Spain and the entire EU, a large amount of cargo is transshipped through Catalonia, and now in case of separation everything will come to decline, goods will bypass, and goods will not become competitive due to duties ... With low resources, Catalonia will simply turn into a cheap resort in the literal and figurative sense, unemployment will increase, and incomes will drop ...
In general, the arrogance of the Catalans amazes me, all of Spain developed the industry and logistics of Catalonia, and now they are unhappy that the rich region pays more taxes than receives subsidies ?! But it should be so !!! It didn’t come to these fools that even fearing the separation, many enterprises had already left Catalonia, and now all the others would leave or simply go bankrupt ...
Catalonia for Spain, it’s like Ukraine for the USSR, the USSR gave Ukraine a bunch of regions, built a bunch of enterprises, but when it became hard the inhabitants of Ukraine also bought a lie, from a happy future in case of separation ...

[Sergej1972]

Apparently, many Catalans are alarmed by the tendency to increase the share of Castilians and representatives of other peoples of Spain in the population of the region. They want to be guaranteed to remain an ethnic majority.

[mikh-korsakov]

I think that you have exaggerated. The fact that Catalonia - 19% of GDP in Spain - this truth is commonplace. Specifically, the textile industry, shipbuilding, construction, winemaking, tourism are developed. Can not be discounted, the University of Barcelona gives the lion's share of scientific products from Spain. Another thing is that this whole idea of ​​independence is just a whim of the rich, no one will die for it, except for the crazy ones. Without the approval of the Washington Regional Committee and the Berlin City Committee, nothing will come of it. Of course, if some idiots in the style of Ukraine settled in Madrid, then they can do something, but this is unlikely

[Dark_Filin]

“If Kosovo gains independence, the inhabitants of other disputed regions will have a question: how are they worse. A chain reaction may follow, and we will open the Pandora’s box” (C) Sergey Ivanov, 09.02.2007

[mikh-korsakov]

I think. that independence venture is a disastrous affair. So what if someone in Catalonia speaks Catalan, in our city the janitors almost entirely speak Uzbek, but independence cannot be declared anyway .... They don’t do that. It is necessary to go to Washington, to bring in how much anyone needs, and then the "comrades" will consider. If the decision is positive, they will call the Berlin City Committee and say, "We here with the" comrades "consulted and decided the desire of Catalonia to gain independence to approve." Then consider. what's the matter with the hat

[free]

Why not today?

[mikh-korsakov]

There is no preparation of world public opinion in the form of publications "about the heavy share of the Catalan people under oppression ..."

[Topotun]

The tendency of the collapse of countries into small states is beneficial only to that country that has remained overseas and is hiding star-striped. Here they do not need any competitors. And the less others are, the better.

[72jora72]

Quote: wicked partisan

Popcorn, beer, moonshine, smoked bream and salted grayling in the studio!

That's for salted grayling standings

[evil partisan]

Quote: 72jora72

for salted grayling

Glad to! On the weekend I’ll try to catch him in a tributary of Viladi. or S. Dvina ...
Well, in short, there is where ...

[Tersky]

Quote: Angry Guerrilla

On the weekend I’ll try to catch him in a tributary of Viladi. or S. Dvina ..

You are.. ., we don’t need to try, need to catch . Moreover, taking into account the number of numerous friends . The bigger, the better. Only I pull a kilogram on 100 salted grayling. Hello to the fly fishing professional, ! Like a fisherman, a fisherman on a topic: Judging by Brexit and recent events in Spain, Europe is in the spawning stage ....,.

[evil partisan]

Quote: Tersky

Spawning Europe

Rather, in the mating stage. Without Vaseline ..

Quote: Tersky

given the number of many friends. The bigger, the better.

Friends are friends, but in my grayling do not even open your eyes !!

Quote: Tersky

Only I pull a kilogram per 100 light-salted grayling

You pull 100 kg. freebies ...

Quote: Tersky

Hello to the fly fishing professional,

So no one called me the netter ...
Hi, touch probe!

[satum]

Russia and the green men are to blame for everything

[raw174]

Quote: Sharansky

It turns out that everything is just so. Double standarts.

Well, of course, just everyone presents the situation in a light favorable to him and broadcasts it as he needs, although often there are no right-wingers, just everyone is right in his own way. As they say, you can’t divide such sensitive issues as self-determination into black and white, there are half measures ...

Quote: Sharansky

The referendum in Catalonia, by the way, Russia also does not recognize.

That's right, instability and tension in Europe are also not at hand for us, despite the current situation, we still trade with them, and trading with temporary and unrecognized ones is a risky undertaking.