Belgrade - Europe: Do not recognize Catalonia - withdraw recognition of Kosovo

Serbian authorities have responded to the statements of the European Commission regarding the independence referendum held in Catalonia. Recall that the European Commission recognized the Catalan referendum as legitimate, while adding that it stands for the territorial unity of Spain. In Brussels, they appealed to official Madrid and the Catalan authorities to resolve such issues at the negotiating table, and not at the level of tough confrontation.

The Serbian government noted that after such statements from Brussels, the European Union, by definition, should decide to withdraw recognition of Kosovo’s independence. Serbian Prime Minister Ana Brnabic said that the government, together with the country's president, Alexander Vucic, will send a letter to the European Commission regarding the EC position regarding the comparison of Catalonia and Kosovo.

Meanwhile, Serbian Foreign Minister Ivica Dacic noted that, calling the actions of Catalonia unilateral, the European Commission actually recognizes the illegality of attempts to secession of Kosovo from Serbia. According to Dacic, the EC, apparently, forgets that the EU recognized the recognition of Kosovo’s independence without a plebiscite on this territory.

Dacic:

When we say, what about the situation with Catalonia and Kosovo, we are answered: Catalonia is part of Spain, which in turn is a member of the European Union. And how to understand this? What does it mean? If a country is not a member of the European Union, can it be split into parts?

And this is the statement of Anna Brnabic:

Let's say this: if there is no sovereignty of Catalonia, then there is no sovereignty of Kosovo.

As can be seen, the official Belgrade is trying to point out to the European Union double standards, in which the EU got itself confused. However, the EU will clearly continue to ignore the claims of Serbia, guided solely by the interests of those who are now the masters of Europe.

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[Thrall]

Europe does not exist!

[Herculesic]

That is, that’s all, all countries are real Asia or worse - America too? ??

[LSA57]

Quote: Herkulesich

or worse - America too? ??

Yes, just parts of the land that are being redrawn at the direction of the Fashigton Regional Committee

[INVESTOR]

Is the Serbian Minister naive?

[Thrall]

Sometimes it's better to just sing

[maxim947]

The situation is actually exactly the same, but they do not care. These are Serbs, Russians, etc.

[Kenxnumx]

The situation is not so similar that there is nowhere else to go.

[Lopatov]

Similar to disgrace.
Everything is actually even deeper. The national minority Albanians in Serbia have the right to self-determination. The Serbian minority in Kosovo, accordingly, does not have such a right.
Georgians have the right to self-determination and independence. Accordingly, the Khudars and Abkhaz have no such right
Moldovans have the right to self-determination. Transnistria, not at all.
And so on.
Europe has long been entangled in its double, triple and quadruple standards ...

[Kenxnumx]

The main difference of Kosovo is the long power struggle of the Albanians. And in Catalonia there is a revolution from above. Ordinary citizens by and large not needed.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Ken71

The main difference of Kosovo is the long power struggle of the Albanians.

Yeah ...
Is the struggle of Donbas not long enough or not enough power?
Transnistria? Abkhazia? South Ossetia?
Did Belgrade threaten the Kosovo Albanians with the complete destruction of the people, as the Georgians did with respect to the Abkhaz? Did the Serbian military do with the Albanians what Georgian "fighters for territorial integrity" "distinguished themselves" on the Zarskaya Road?
Why is shelling of Zagreb a "war crime", and shelling of Donetsk is acceptable, is it a "struggle for territorial integrity"?

[Kenxnumx]

Take it easy. This is what we compare with Catalonia. And in Catalonia, a little fool with the police.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Ken71

And in Catalonia, a little fool with the police.

Uh, no ...
For some reason, the European Union for some reason is much more loyal to the protesting methods of dispersing demonstrations in Moscow. Even, frankly, hysterically.
But when a protester in Vilnius is shot with a rubber bullet for life, it’s normal, it’s “within the standards of democracy”
==
Where the hell are yelling about "They're the kids"? Where is the condemnation of the "bloody regime of Philip the Sixth and his punisher M. Rakhoy"?

If you blame others for not meeting certain "standards", be so kind as to meet them yourself, right?

[Kenxnumx]

And Vilnius is the capital of Catalonia, or I do not quite understand what you are discussing.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Ken71

And Vilnius is the capital of Catalonia, or I do not quite understand what you are discussing.

We are discussing the "standards of democracy and human rights", which, according to the Enlightened Europe, many countries, including Russia, do not meet.
Do they even exist? Standards? And then while they have the "Law that draws" (c)
And Europe most of all resembles a ferret, eating a freshly stewed chicken and at the same time giving an oh .. surprised hunter a lecture on the inviolability of the universal principle of "do not kill"

[Cutter]

Cute old Europe, sclerosis tormented? I forgot where I threw the "rake" yesterday, has it arrived today? Messed up in the head something, gentlemen of the euro ... miracles ??? A wonderful moment to use Serbia and these contradictions to "blow up" this foul-smelling Europe to hell with a dog!

[Kenxnumx]

So that in Europe there was the same ass as in Belarus.

[Kenxnumx]

It's good that you introduced yourself. Dear goatlord. It's nice to talk with a polite person who is not shy about his name.

[pvv113]

I’m embarrassed to ask - what is wrong in Belarus?

[Kenxnumx]

I'm shy to answer. But per capita income. Compared to the average per capita in the EU. And minor problems with solvency by industry and other economic indicators. As by the way, and in our God-saving Fatherland. Of course it's nice to ruin a rich neighbor. But it’s better to try to rise to his level.

[pvv113]

Do you live in Belarus?

[Lopatov]

Quote: Ken71

I'm shy to answer. But per capita income. Compared to per capita in the EU

The EU is not an indicator. When some work and others eat. Because of what, in fact, rose butch in Catalonia, is not it?
Moldavia, Georgia, walking along the “European path of development”, Ukraine, for some reason, is losing to Belarus in terms of “average per capita income,” is not it? And do not talk about "support for Russia", financially supporting these countries, the US and the EU have much higher opportunities ...

So it turns out that the "totalitarianism" of Belarus is more successful than the "democracy" of Moldova, Georgia and Ukraine?

The question is: why is Georgia worse than Turkey? Why are the last revenues from the same tourism orders of magnitude greater? Because, according to Ankara, the "European development path" does not provide for a mandatory confrontation with Russia?

[hohkn]

And you take Lithuania as an example. Only donations do not forget to mash.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Cutter

A wonderful moment to use Serbia and these contradictions to "blow up" this foul-smelling Europe to hell with a dog!

What for?
We need a strong, independent of the USA Europe.
To “blow up” and weaken is more in the interests of the Americans. Keeping Europe as a trailer for a political locomotive called Washington

[Kenxnumx]

And do not feed some bread, give something to blow up on the side, or even better to yell about it.

[pvv113]

Alexander, good morning! In Europe, the disease is more serious than sclerosis - double standards called

[Lelek]

Quote: Spade

Europe has long been entangled in its double, triple and quadruple standards ...

Hey. And here you (IMHO) are deeply mistaken. This is not a "confusion" but a solid political dogma of the "West" - "I'm right, even if I'm not right." Talking about double standards imposed on the teeth is a bit sick.

The appeal of Serbian politicians to the EU leadership and, possibly, the UN is the right way, but (again IMHO) is unpromising - they will be hushed up, squeezed and spit out. In these "organizations", it has long been no longer the rule of law, but the primacy of maintenance contributions.

[Hoc vince]

Hypocrisy is an integral part of the Anglo-Saxon mentality.

[Finches]

The European Commission is a puppet, but the puppeteers are sitting in a different place and it seems to me that these children live the Catalan script ... The more weird in Europe, the better on another continent ...

[LSA57]

Quote: Finches

The more dry in Europe, the better on another continent ...

of course. you can spoil all your guano here. and some "leaders" are happy. Guess mine neighbors have it, but they were ordered and they are carrying coal across the ocean. I’m thinking of such a ruler, my wife would walk for bread for 1000 miles on foot. She would quickly teach him the basics of economics

[LSA57]

Quote: Thrall

Europe does not exist!

only on the map there is still

[vladimirvn]

International law has not been working for a long time. There is a law of power and it dominates.

Quote: Thrall

Europe does not exist!

[Crowe]

. And how to understand this? What does it mean? If a country is not a member of the European Union, can it be split into parts?

Exactly! And I forgot to add – who did not bend under the United States.

[Herculesic]

Serbs, what kind of shaitan did you climb into the EU? ? To completely lose their statehood? ??

[Observer2014]

Herculesic

Serbs, what kind of shaitan did you climb into the EU? ? To completely lose their statehood? ??

Because the Serbs are like on an "island." That's why it turns out. Russia through the "little brothers" will pave the way for them. That's then there will be Russian Serbian Krajina

[Alikos]

Quote: Observer2014

Herculesic

Serbs, what kind of shaitan did you climb into the EU? ? To completely lose their statehood? ??

Because the Serbs are like on an "island." That's why it turns out. Russia through the "little brothers" will pave the way for them. That's then there will be Russian Serbian Krajina

We must first deal with Ukraine. It doesn’t matter if, instead of a fraternal country, hostile pan territory grows on our border

[Altona]

That's right, the separation of Serbia was outside the legal field.

[alatanas]

This is the kingdom of Serbs and Croats, the kingdom of Yugoslavia and the SFRY were near the legal field, but not quite in it. Serbia was not divided, but at first Yugoslavia fell apart. In a sense, the Serbs themselves have historically been to blame for something, although they have been implored from the same Europe (Austria-Hungary, France and England).

[andrewkor]

The voice of one crying in the desert, but one must yell and poke his nose at their gayropean guano!

[inkass_98]

Serbs can crucify about Kosovo as much as they like, there will be no sense from this. It was said from the Brussels empirees that Catalonia "is one thing, and you are something else."

[APASUS]

Everything goes along the path of rocking the internal situation and shooting people in Las Vegas, and a plebiscite in Catalonia links in one chain. Everything is sewn with white thread. If the Spanish authorities were against the referendum, they simply did not recognize his decisions about suing, but they needed blood and a dozen policemen knocked grandparents with batons on camera.
The same effect with the arrow. They couldn’t think of anything better to pick up the kooky millionaire in the arrows. Victims and internal contradictions are needed to further rock the countries.

[your1970]

They couldn’t think of anything better to pick up the kooky millionaire in the arrows. Victims and internal contradictions are needed to further rock the countries.-and is Russia to blame ???? in the swaying of the United States ???

[APASUS]

Quote: your1970

They couldn’t think of anything better to pick up the kooky millionaire in the arrows. Victims and internal contradictions are needed to further rock the countries.-and is Russia to blame ???? in the swaying of the United States ???

Who told you that he was crazy?
He carried about 20 trunks into the room past the hotel and casino guards. This is not a grandfather on the bedside table in the entrance.
He chose a place according to all the rules of tactics, in order not to undergo return fire, he calculated the distance to the target, the height of the building.
Moreover, he has no drives to the police, no problems with the law, no militaristic statements on the Internet.
Everything suggests that the person was consciously taking this, but they helped him very much!

[Kenxnumx]

The Serbs can not decide who to lie under. And they will be like a village idiot. And with a stomach and not attached.

[rocket757]

Naive Chukot ... Serbian "boy" ...
But anyway, the Pandorra’s Box is open !!!
Events / consequences are just beginning!

[Severok]

This demarche of Serbia is simply obliged to support the Russian Foreign Ministry.

[Kenxnumx]

To remember the Crimea.

[Velizariy]

Do you think someone will forget us?

[Kenxnumx]

This is hard to forget. This is the next step of the circus of separatism. Not only separate but also attach to yourself.

[CT-55_11-9009]

Remember the Crimea? We can also remember a lot of things. Even if we take the events of only the 20th century. So we have enough complaints.

[Kenxnumx]

Let me remind you that they introduce sanctions to us.

[CT-55_11-9009]

Yeah ??? And why then the European (primarily German) business is not the first year very dissatisfied (at least) with counter-sanctions?

[DimerVladimer]

Quote: Severok

This demarche of Serbia is simply obliged to support the Russian Foreign Ministry.

Then what about the Crimea?
The Russian Foreign Ministry on the annexation of Crimea, referred to the Kosovo precedent.
(in this case, between the Russian Federation and Ukraine by that time agreements were signed on territorial integrity and on the state border, why the international community does not recognize the referendum in Crimea as legitimate)

[Topotun]

Yes, it’s normal with the Crimea. It is about recognition of the REFERENDUM, and not separation or accession. In Crimea there was a referendum and the people made a decision based on its results. There was a referendum in Catalonia. Its results may please or upset, but if we are for democracy, it must be recognized. Or do not bother about democracy and freedoms. It's just about the "dynamic" point of view of the West ...

[Yujanin.]

Dacic: When we say, what about the situation with Catalonia and Kosovo, we are answered: Catalonia is part of Spain, which in turn is a member of the European Union. And how to understand this? What does it mean? If the country is not a member of the European Union, it can be split into parts?

Golden words!

[Romanenko]

They didn’t get confused in the EU and they don’t have any double standards and haven’t had them since KOSOVO, there are only valuable guidelines from the states, abbreviated by the CIA.

[SEERforSEER]

Quote: Ken71

This is hard to forget. This is the next step of the circus of separatism. Not only separate but also attach to yourself.

Dear, as you said - "circus", was not invented by us. We have a very sane leadership. And you, my recommendation, should approach the question “wider” and “softer” and most importantly - “smarter”.

[Kenxnumx]

The annexation of neighboring territories is your smart decision. Then it’s scary to imagine what a solution can be stupid.

[SEERforSEER]

where did you get the "annexation"? The vast majority, the inhabitants of the peninsula voted.
stood for several hours, with children, with cat / dogs ...
but stood!
Do you really believe that those people came, stood for hours under the "barrels of Russian machine guns"?

[Kenxnumx]

And you are aware that the residents of Donbass of Transnistria voted for the same thing. You do not care about their opinion. And about the Russian troops, who told you. There were Martian troops out of modesty without signs of nationality. Very polite. And this action is called annexation. Whatever referendum is being held. By the way, in the Sudetenland there was also a referendum. But we do not consider it legal. But what now to say. It is impossible and wrong to give Crimea so that we do not think about the legality of accession.

[Dym71]

Quote: Ken71

The annexation of neighboring territories is your smart decision.

And the opinion of the Crimeans-the referendum do not care?

[Kenxnumx]

And you do not care whether or not the opinion of Ukrainians.

[Dym71]

Quote: Ken71

And you do not care whether or not the opinion of Ukrainians.

No, do not care. I take it completely agree.

The vast majority (86%) of Ukrainians would like Crimea to return to Ukraine, while 60% believe that this is possible. This is evidenced by a sociological survey conducted by the research company InMind commissioned by the Ministry of Information Policy of Ukraine. The survey was conducted in March 2017. A total of 1000 people were interviewed in 77 settlements in all regions controlled by Kiev.
Ukraine News: http://rian.com.ua/analytics/20170401/1022799594.
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[Kenxnumx]

And the opinion of the inhabitants of the Crimea when they were Ukrainians does not matter. Yes you are a hypocrite.

[Dym71]

Quote: Ken71

And the opinion of the inhabitants of the Crimea when they were Ukrainians does not matter. Yes you are a hypocrite.

1. Residents of Crimea (the absolute majority) were not Ukrainians, they were citizens of Ukraine and you know for that!
2. Have you carefully read my answer? Where did you find hypocrisy?

[Lopatov]

And what about the Ukrainians?
10 men gathered and held a referendum on whether to consider the wife of one of them common. 90% are in favor, 10% are against. The decision of the referendum is to count.
What relation can Ukrainians have to a referendum in Crimea? If they do not live there, of course

[Kenxnumx]

At the time of the referendum, they were all Ukrainians

[Lopatov]

You still say that the Buryats are currently Russian.

[Corsair0304]

Quote: Ken71

Annexation of neighboring territories

Come on? Are you serious or are you joking now?
Well look:

[Kenxnumx]

Of course I'm serious. There is a concept of international law. Let’s say in Russia the crisis is a revolution and a complete mess. And the inhabitants of Kaliningrad, for example, will want to join Germany and hold a referendum. How do you feel about its results.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Ken71

There is a concept of international law.

And where does the "international law"? It has nothing to do with referenda. Or are you trying to argue that the referendum in Scotland was contrary to "international law" because exclusively permanent residents of this particular region voted?

[Kenxnumx]

You are wrong, therefore, arguably changing the subject. A referendum in Scotland did not contradict the laws of Britain

[Lopatov]

Quote: Ken71

You are wrong, therefore, arguably changing the subject.

What is wrong? Does the mythical “international law” prohibit a referendum in Crimea and Catalonia, but allow a referendum in Scotland and chop off a piece of Serbia without referenda at all?

Quote: Ken71

A referendum in Scotland did not contradict the laws of Britain

So in the legislation of Spain there is nothing directly prohibiting the holding of a referendum and detachment. The Spanish authorities simply went against such a fundamental principle as "what is not forbidden is allowed." And under a very strange pretext. In fact, declaring the Catalans people not related to the people of Spain.

[rocket757]

Et you hint at sho !!!
The country where the "city on the hill", such as not smart turns out ???
Oh, they are NEIGHBORING, and not only territories annexed MORE THAN ALL !!!
In short - the right of the STRONG to shawn, what they want, and before it was not very contested, but now how ???

[Kenxnumx]

You speak the truth. The right of the strong. Yes, that's just for this you need to be very stronger than others. Otherwise, minor troubles such as sanctions.

[rocket757]

Minor troubles ??? This is probably a JOKE.
Opinions on this issue from the DISASTER to DO NOT CANCEL ANOTHER YEARS ... NEVER, PLEASE ???
I bastard with our people !!! Shaw there foreigners invented themselves ???
And WE WILL BE STRONG, contrary to everything ... if we don’t tear the navel !!!

[Kenxnumx]

That's what I had in mind.

[rocket757]

Quote: Velizariy

Do you think someone will forget us?

That's right!!!

[Kenxnumx]

Lopatov,
You wrote so many beeches. And probably everything is right. But that's not what I mean. I mean that you don’t need to blow up Europe, but you need to try to raise the standard of living of our citizens to their level.

[rocket757]

Oh, everything just does not need !!!
So so many different things dragged here !!!
And for GOOD I, too, FOR !!!

[pafegosoff]

Those. become tolerant, adopt Finnish education (I want to, I don’t teach!), completely obey the United States, introduce external management and launch tens of millions of refugees from all countries of Asia and Africa?

[Kenxnumx]

Well, perversions of your choice. Our authorities have already launched migrants more than Europeans. And for the rest, I don’t see Czechs, for example, suffer from submission to the United States.

[pafegosoff]

Europe says to Belgrade: "Ugh on you! They crushed the Turks, Austrians, Germans and now we will crush"

[faterdom]

Quote: Ken71

Of course I'm serious. There is a concept of international law. Let’s say in Russia the crisis is a revolution and a complete mess. And the inhabitants of Kaliningrad, for example, will want to join Germany and hold a referendum. How do you feel about its results.

Russia has experienced the above over the past century twice. And lost a lot of territories. Including, for example, Poland.
But about the fact that “there is a concept of international law” - so let me disagree with you, this is not a concept (a thing is precisely defined), but an abstraction, sort of like “honor”, ​​“duty”, “call of ancestors”. That is, there are general directions for thoughts, but the conclusions can be directly opposite. And the same SS men had both “honor” and “duty”, and many igilovites — how selfless they were — they all worked as jihadmobile drivers.

[Kenxnumx]

Yes, Poland cannot be direct like that. Poland fought off our blood.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Ken71

Poland fought off our blood.

Rather, she acted like an aggressor, starting to chop off pieces from Lithuania, Belarus and Ukraine. And only after that Russia intervened in the situation. The first time unsuccessfully, later bringing the situation to its logical conclusion.
Poland was an aggressor, because it had to "fight back" with blood, do not forget that.

[rocket757]

Information for consideration - Poland HAD “bright” periods in history, KINGS were gathered by the Commonwealth ... the main word in this thread was !!!
The further history of the Polish state is characterized by the nickname given to it EXACTLY in Europe .... I won’t write the name of the animal that Poland was called, but for every normal person this animal is disgusting ... guess why?
And for Chekhov, what can I say-they lived under Hitler \ worked quite successfully themselves ... does this say something about the mentality of the country \ nation ???

[Vadim Sh.]

Unfortunately this will not happen. !!!