Spain / Catalonia: diverging, the show "Square" will not
I absolutely disagree with those who are today trying to draw analogies between the Crimea, the Donbas and Catalonia. Any analogies are so attracted that they are not subject to criticism. And that's why.
Catalonia, if you look in history, if it had political independence, it lost it in the 1516 year, when, as part of the Aragon kingdom, it became part of Spain. Actually, the marriage of Ferdinand the Second of Aragon and Isabella of Castile and laid the foundation of Spain.
And throughout the 500 years of “dependence”, the Catalans occasionally got the idea of independence.
So it was in 1870, when the Catalans seemed to be persuaded, it was the case in 1930, when it was more serious. Then the Catalans fell first from the Republicans, who did not like the separatist sentiments, and then from Franco, who didn’t come up with the idea either.
As a result, there was silence for about 50 years.
In 1979, Catalonia receives the status of autonomy, official recognition of the Catalan language, and other preferences. His government, part of the Spanish state system of constitutional monarchy. In 2006, a new autonomous status was adopted in Catalonia with the expansion of financial autonomy.
So, "with fat razimsya", or what?
In fact, it turns out that the modern separatist movement is not caused by oppression from Madrid, they simply do not exist. And there is not quite so justified discontent of the intelligentsia.
It is the intelligentsia that speculates that Catalonia, being the richest province in the country, pays more taxes to the center than it receives money from there. Familiar, yes? Remember, at the end of the 80 of the last century, we also shouted that “Russia feeds and contains everybody”?
As if money did not bring to the budget of Russia, and the discord was sown abundantly. And, despite the actual split of the USSR, the new-found states (including Russia) for some reason did not drown in luxury. Moreover, recently it became clear that, as it were, helicopters would not fly, and ships could not plow the seas. "Lost" in Ukraine.
And if we compare the Catalan processes, then it is more appropriate with Ukraine. It is clear that those who advocate for the independence of Catalonia so badly imagine all the consequences of “independence”. And in vain.
For some reason, the moment that the other regions contribute to the well-being of Catalonia, the separatists ignore the gentlemen. Just want to be "above the mustache." Although, when compared with Ukraine, even in terms of language, no one limited them.
Nevertheless, Madrid for some reason went exactly along the path of Kiev. That is, in fact, he refused to conduct any negotiations. Than, in fact, fairly added arguments to the separatists and added fuel to the fire.
And by the way, the actions of Madrid according to the frankly Kiev scenario make it all the more thoughtful. And why?
The referendum itself turned into another mess. Not only that, according to the Constitution of the country, it is illegal in any form, and secession from Spain is not provided for its autonomies. So, they also carried out in such a way that the referendums criticized in their time in the Donbas compared to the Catalan look exemplary.
And Madrid will never recognize this show and will not take it seriously. This, I'm sorry, does not absolutely respect yourself.
Moreover, if we recognize the referendum in Catalonia, this will be the first link in the chain of similar actions. It's amazing why the Catalans. There are also Basques, who also want something like that, but unlike the Catalans, they are considered peaceful.
The referendum itself, more precisely, the actions of the parties, is also nothing other than an epic sink.
The central authorities acted on the Kiev scenario 100%. 12 of thousands of policemen, threats on television, dispersal of demonstrators, blocking the CEC of Catalonia, obstructing the work of the polling stations, confiscation of ballots ...
Is this all democracy? Yes? We are definitely not wrong? Kiev and Madrid are twinned? Or is the script the same?
No, how then not to get the Maidan with a ganboy? Everything is very logical.
In fairness it should be noted that the organizers of the referendum themselves fairly kissed, in order to turn the event at the state level in clowning.
Sorry, but how to recognize a legitimate vote, which was held do not understand where it was calculated and do not understand by whom? It is necessary to think that the votes can be calculated by those who first came to the polling stations ... There is also the free form of ballots, and mobile phone voting.
No, absolutely frivolous. Farce, nothing more.
In general, in Madrid, they acted completely in Kiev. That is, like idiots. Well, who bothered to repeat the experience of the UK? Remember how it was with Scotland? Allowed to hold a referendum, held, sensibly argued their position. We all remember the bottom line: opponents of independence won. Honestly everything was there, or not - aspects already. The main thing - everything was done "as expected."
Who hindered?
It turns out that no matter how many people come to the sites in Catalonia, the result would be the same - a statement of complete victory and separation from Spain. The question is “who benefits”?
And by the way, in all sociological polls, the Catalan alignment was no different from the Scottish one. For independence, according to polls, there were about 41% of residents, against - 44%.
Could Madrid reduce plebiscite results to a minimum? Yes, easily. Just promising more liberties and preferences. But instead, the Kiev scenario went into action, with batons, rubber bullets and other celebrations of true democracy.
And this instead of solving all the world. It was necessary to simply use those who did not want independence. Not for nothing, on the eve of the referendum, more than 2 thousands of Catalan companies re-registered in other provinces of the country. From sin away.
Total, as a result?
The Spanish Constitutional Court declared the referendum illegal in advance. However, they decided to hold it anyway, stating that any turnout of the population and a simple majority of those who voted would be enough to declare independence. And only slightly more than 42% of registered voters voted. Partly due to the opposition of Madrid, partly due to the fact that about half of the population of Catalonia do not want real independence, considering it to be nonsense, which only harm the regional economy and tourism.
Where, forgive, Crimea and Donbass?
Yes, on voting day it was possible to observe a certain rise in the masses. But it was already people who went to vote in spite, in response to the frankly stupid antics of Madrid. And it is quite normal that the number of supporters of the referendum has grown, and has grown considerably, because "we do not need such a bullfight."
Everything is logical, but then what? Will there be a Donbass?
But the hell with two!
Yes, Madrid can dissolve the regional parliament and eliminate autonomy. Separatist leaders may be arrested. And - hello, Maidan?
Are we getting ready to observe the regular dispersal of "peaceful students and pensioners", the bloodstained faces of women injured by rubber bullets, the queue of ambulances filled with injured with traumatic brain injuries?
And then the proud Catalans, who will take weaponin order to confirm their claim to independence?
I beg you, this is Europe.
There will be nothing. Precisely because Europe. There will be no confrontations like Donbass. There will be no economic blockade using the army, as in Chechnya.
Nothing will happen.
Mainly because of the prerequisites for the independent existence of the state of Catalonia, the more excluded from the EU (and there, too, they blame and express dissatisfaction) simply do not exist.
As well as no chance for a quick and painless exclusion of Catalonia from the economic sphere of Spain.
But the main thing is people. Nowhere, the Catalans will not go. With the exception of the organizers, with whom Madrid is likely to sit at the negotiating table and in the end just buy them with the guts. And the sooner Madrid does it, the sooner everyone settles down in Barcelona.
There is only one doubt. The scenario, when Madrid popper to Barcelona, as a bull on a torero, as I said, is similar to when Kiev went to Donetsk and Lugansk. But this script was written where?
But the Catalans are not Russians or Ukrainians. So we diverge, the continuation is unlikely to follow.
Catalonia, if you look in history, if it had political independence, it lost it in the 1516 year, when, as part of the Aragon kingdom, it became part of Spain. Actually, the marriage of Ferdinand the Second of Aragon and Isabella of Castile and laid the foundation of Spain.
And throughout the 500 years of “dependence”, the Catalans occasionally got the idea of independence.
So it was in 1870, when the Catalans seemed to be persuaded, it was the case in 1930, when it was more serious. Then the Catalans fell first from the Republicans, who did not like the separatist sentiments, and then from Franco, who didn’t come up with the idea either.
As a result, there was silence for about 50 years.
In 1979, Catalonia receives the status of autonomy, official recognition of the Catalan language, and other preferences. His government, part of the Spanish state system of constitutional monarchy. In 2006, a new autonomous status was adopted in Catalonia with the expansion of financial autonomy.
So, "with fat razimsya", or what?
In fact, it turns out that the modern separatist movement is not caused by oppression from Madrid, they simply do not exist. And there is not quite so justified discontent of the intelligentsia.
It is the intelligentsia that speculates that Catalonia, being the richest province in the country, pays more taxes to the center than it receives money from there. Familiar, yes? Remember, at the end of the 80 of the last century, we also shouted that “Russia feeds and contains everybody”?
As if money did not bring to the budget of Russia, and the discord was sown abundantly. And, despite the actual split of the USSR, the new-found states (including Russia) for some reason did not drown in luxury. Moreover, recently it became clear that, as it were, helicopters would not fly, and ships could not plow the seas. "Lost" in Ukraine.
And if we compare the Catalan processes, then it is more appropriate with Ukraine. It is clear that those who advocate for the independence of Catalonia so badly imagine all the consequences of “independence”. And in vain.
For some reason, the moment that the other regions contribute to the well-being of Catalonia, the separatists ignore the gentlemen. Just want to be "above the mustache." Although, when compared with Ukraine, even in terms of language, no one limited them.
Nevertheless, Madrid for some reason went exactly along the path of Kiev. That is, in fact, he refused to conduct any negotiations. Than, in fact, fairly added arguments to the separatists and added fuel to the fire.
And by the way, the actions of Madrid according to the frankly Kiev scenario make it all the more thoughtful. And why?
The referendum itself turned into another mess. Not only that, according to the Constitution of the country, it is illegal in any form, and secession from Spain is not provided for its autonomies. So, they also carried out in such a way that the referendums criticized in their time in the Donbas compared to the Catalan look exemplary.
And Madrid will never recognize this show and will not take it seriously. This, I'm sorry, does not absolutely respect yourself.
Moreover, if we recognize the referendum in Catalonia, this will be the first link in the chain of similar actions. It's amazing why the Catalans. There are also Basques, who also want something like that, but unlike the Catalans, they are considered peaceful.
The referendum itself, more precisely, the actions of the parties, is also nothing other than an epic sink.
The central authorities acted on the Kiev scenario 100%. 12 of thousands of policemen, threats on television, dispersal of demonstrators, blocking the CEC of Catalonia, obstructing the work of the polling stations, confiscation of ballots ...
Is this all democracy? Yes? We are definitely not wrong? Kiev and Madrid are twinned? Or is the script the same?
No, how then not to get the Maidan with a ganboy? Everything is very logical.
In fairness it should be noted that the organizers of the referendum themselves fairly kissed, in order to turn the event at the state level in clowning.
Sorry, but how to recognize a legitimate vote, which was held do not understand where it was calculated and do not understand by whom? It is necessary to think that the votes can be calculated by those who first came to the polling stations ... There is also the free form of ballots, and mobile phone voting.
No, absolutely frivolous. Farce, nothing more.
In general, in Madrid, they acted completely in Kiev. That is, like idiots. Well, who bothered to repeat the experience of the UK? Remember how it was with Scotland? Allowed to hold a referendum, held, sensibly argued their position. We all remember the bottom line: opponents of independence won. Honestly everything was there, or not - aspects already. The main thing - everything was done "as expected."
Who hindered?
It turns out that no matter how many people come to the sites in Catalonia, the result would be the same - a statement of complete victory and separation from Spain. The question is “who benefits”?
And by the way, in all sociological polls, the Catalan alignment was no different from the Scottish one. For independence, according to polls, there were about 41% of residents, against - 44%.
Could Madrid reduce plebiscite results to a minimum? Yes, easily. Just promising more liberties and preferences. But instead, the Kiev scenario went into action, with batons, rubber bullets and other celebrations of true democracy.
And this instead of solving all the world. It was necessary to simply use those who did not want independence. Not for nothing, on the eve of the referendum, more than 2 thousands of Catalan companies re-registered in other provinces of the country. From sin away.
Total, as a result?
The Spanish Constitutional Court declared the referendum illegal in advance. However, they decided to hold it anyway, stating that any turnout of the population and a simple majority of those who voted would be enough to declare independence. And only slightly more than 42% of registered voters voted. Partly due to the opposition of Madrid, partly due to the fact that about half of the population of Catalonia do not want real independence, considering it to be nonsense, which only harm the regional economy and tourism.
Where, forgive, Crimea and Donbass?
Yes, on voting day it was possible to observe a certain rise in the masses. But it was already people who went to vote in spite, in response to the frankly stupid antics of Madrid. And it is quite normal that the number of supporters of the referendum has grown, and has grown considerably, because "we do not need such a bullfight."
Everything is logical, but then what? Will there be a Donbass?
But the hell with two!
Yes, Madrid can dissolve the regional parliament and eliminate autonomy. Separatist leaders may be arrested. And - hello, Maidan?
Are we getting ready to observe the regular dispersal of "peaceful students and pensioners", the bloodstained faces of women injured by rubber bullets, the queue of ambulances filled with injured with traumatic brain injuries?
And then the proud Catalans, who will take weaponin order to confirm their claim to independence?
I beg you, this is Europe.
There will be nothing. Precisely because Europe. There will be no confrontations like Donbass. There will be no economic blockade using the army, as in Chechnya.
Nothing will happen.
Mainly because of the prerequisites for the independent existence of the state of Catalonia, the more excluded from the EU (and there, too, they blame and express dissatisfaction) simply do not exist.
As well as no chance for a quick and painless exclusion of Catalonia from the economic sphere of Spain.
But the main thing is people. Nowhere, the Catalans will not go. With the exception of the organizers, with whom Madrid is likely to sit at the negotiating table and in the end just buy them with the guts. And the sooner Madrid does it, the sooner everyone settles down in Barcelona.
There is only one doubt. The scenario, when Madrid popper to Barcelona, as a bull on a torero, as I said, is similar to when Kiev went to Donetsk and Lugansk. But this script was written where?
But the Catalans are not Russians or Ukrainians. So we diverge, the continuation is unlikely to follow.
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