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American "Abrams" will equip with active protection complexes

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The Pentagon issued a contract to General Dynamics Corporation to equip the Trophy of Israeli-made core equipment with Active Defense Complex (KAZ) tanks M1A2 SEPv2 Abrams, reports bmpd.


American "Abrams" will equip with active protection complexes
The installation scheme of the elements of the Israeli active protection complex Rafael Trophy on the American tank M1A2 SEPv2 Abrams.

The contract value was $ 9,9 million. One armored brigade will be equipped with active defense. Works must be completed by the end of March 2019.

“As you can understand, General Dynamics Land Systems should only install, integrate and provide technical support for Trophy systems under this contract, and the cost of purchasing the KAZ kits themselves is not included in this contract,” the publication says.

Apparently, after the military trials, a final decision will be made on the quantity of KAZ purchased. At the same time, it is noted that “Trophy will be an intermediate solution before creating your own protection complexes under the Modular Active Protection System (MAPS) program”.

The Trophy Active Protection Complex (Meil Ruach) was developed and manufactured by the Israeli company Rafael with the participation of the IAI Elta and approximately from the 2010 year is installed on combat tanks of the Merkava type of the Israel Defense Forces, and from the Namer 2014 heavy vehicles.

According to the resource, “in its current serial form, the KAZ Trophy has the Elta EL / M-2133 radar with four fixed antennas with PAR, and two rotary launchers firing shotgun shots to hit flying anti-tank ammunition.”

KAZ Trophy is designed to hit relatively low-speed RPG grenades and ATGM missiles and is not capable of hitting sabot shells and high-speed ATGM. Like other modern defense complexes mounted on a tank, the Trophy imposes serious restrictions on the presence of infantry in a combat vehicle.
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  1. Thrall
    Thrall 2 October 2017 13: 20
    +18
    In the topic of KAZ, Russia takes the first well-deserved place, the second - Israel.
    1. Esoteric
      Esoteric 2 October 2017 13: 29
      +11
      Quote: Thrall
      In the topic of KAZ, Russia takes the first well-deserved place, the second - Israel.

      And Israel has money in the first place, the USA in the second ...
      1. Shurik70
        Shurik70 2 October 2017 13: 34
        +3
        Quote: Esoteric
        Quote: Thrall
        In the topic of KAZ, Russia takes the first well-deserved place, the second - Israel.

        And Israel has money in the first place, the USA in the second ...


        Does the Abrams still have no active defense? Let them not fight, but the USA is actively trading in tanks. You can’t say that the tank is for parades.
        1. Alex_Rarog
          Alex_Rarog 2 October 2017 16: 40
          +1
          And not when they did not think to put it. Until they started to burn ...
      2. Berkut24
        Berkut24 2 October 2017 14: 15
        +2
        And Israel has money in the first place, the USA in the second ...

        In second place is Israel itself. And in third place is any large country that will cover their seat
      3. And Us Rat
        And Us Rat 2 October 2017 20: 13
        +9
        Quote: Esoteric
        And Israel comes first ...

        Citizens of the country.
        Quote: Esoteric
        on the second...

        Their safety.
        Then came healthcare, science and education. Money somewhere in 6-7 place. And the United States is not even in the top twenty. tongue
        1. garius
          garius 5 January 2018 22: 50
          0
          And so, "on the little things":
          - US technology
          - USA resource
          - a couple of billion from the United States per year in service
          Not, and then, "turns out" !!
          - citizens of the country (this is where the bulk of the people do not live in the state)
          - bad neighbors (Syria, Iran (Iran is generally bad, eggs are very expensive))
          - and there may be healthcare ...
    2. Kars
      Kars 2 October 2017 13: 47
      +32
      And on what Russian tanks is the kaz installed serially? Until the same afghanit enters the masses, it seems that they have scored the arena, Russia cannot be in the first place. Even Ukraine has a non-serial kaz blocked. The South Koreans seem to be serial to the black panther set.
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 2 October 2017 14: 10
        +9
        Quote: Kars
        And on what Russian tanks is the kaz installed serially? Until the same afghanit enters the troops en masse, they seem to have scored the arena, Russia cannot be in the first place.

        yes ... but about the outskirts, better be quiet ...
    3. Grandfather
      Grandfather 2 October 2017 14: 09
      +3
      Quote: Thrall
      In the topic of KAZ, Russia takes the first well-deserved place, the second - Israel.

      just do little for ourselves ... "relict" sawing, sawing ... sawing, sawing ... sawing ....
      1. Chelentanych
        Chelentanych 2 October 2017 14: 42
        +10
        I could be wrong, but the Relic is a dynamic defense, not a KAZ. hi
    4. alexmach
      alexmach 2 October 2017 14: 58
      +21
      How can one occupy a dominant place without the armament in general equipped with active protection equipment?
    5. Shura Sailors
      Shura Sailors 2 October 2017 17: 13
      +4
      Controversial statement. Israel puts its KAZs not only on tanks, but in series. Russia, on the other hand, demonstrates KAZs only at training grounds and at parades.
    6. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 2 October 2017 20: 10
      +5
      Quote: Thrall
      In the topic of KAZ, Russia takes the first well-deserved place, the second - Israel.

      And how many tanks equipped with KAZ are in service with you? Battalion? Division? wink
      And how many tanks saved your KAZ in fighting actions? How much do they have fighting interceptions in the account? wink
    7. kapitan92
      kapitan92 2 October 2017 20: 28
      +11
      Quote: Thrall
      In the topic of KAZ, Russia takes the first well-deserved place, the second - Israel.

      In Russia, the first place in the chatter in the topic of KAZ. "Arena", "Afganit", name how many tanks in the troops are equipped with KAZ. Zero !!!
      Israel developed or stole, it doesn’t matter already in our world, put it on the conveyor belt and equips its tanks, plus export deliveries.
      The topic KAZ is our defense industry in the deep .........!
    8. would
      would 2 October 2017 20: 40
      +3
      Very interesting. What are the signs? Only Israel massively uses KAZ on tanks and has combat experience in using KAZ, in Russia only recently a pilot batch of 20 T-14 Armata tanks entered the army with KAZ for testing, and the deadlines began mass production several times already moved to 2018. . And it is not a fact that in 2018 it will begin, but if it starts, it is unclear how many of them will eventually be made, for example, in a year.

      At the same time, it is impossible to adequately judge the capabilities of “Afganit” because most of the information is closed.

      Patriotism is patriotism, but rolling into hatred and empty bravado has never brought to good.
    9. ljoha_d
      ljoha_d 2 October 2017 23: 08
      0
      Only unfortunately, by the number of tanks equipped with KAZ, Israel will be in the first place p_indos will soon be in second. Oh, hope for ARMATU, that's just how much in the end no one knows.
  2. tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 2 October 2017 13: 30
    +1
    Well, in Lebanon, he showed himself normally.
    1. Professor
      Professor 2 October 2017 13: 38
      +11
      Quote: tilovaykrisa
      Well, in Lebanon, he showed himself normally.

      He was not in Lebanon. In Gaza, he successfully intercepted more than 15 shots including those not having a tax in the "Cornet" world.


      1. Stiletto_711
        Stiletto_711 2 October 2017 14: 11
        +9
        Quote: Professor
        In Gaza, he successfully intercepted ... having no taxes in the world of "Cornet"

        As I understand it, Israel celebrated a national holiday on this occasion, declared a day off and handed out 100 shekels to everyone fellow
        1. Professor
          Professor 2 October 2017 14: 13
          +6
          Quote: Stilett_71
          As I understand it, Israel celebrated a national holiday on this occasion, declared a day off and handed out 100 shekels to everyone

          Do not believe it, but even in the news, in general, they did not report. I had to look for information.
          1. The brightest
            The brightest 2 October 2017 15: 47
            +2
            Quote: Professor
            Do not believe it, but even in the news, in general, they did not report.

            Apparently you have on TV even less responsible Zionists to keep, without the gift of clairvoyance, telepathy and other fantasy deviations.
          2. Graz
            Graz 2 October 2017 16: 01
            +2
            Already against Troffi they found a way out on the basis of the tiger, an installation with cornets was made, two seem to shoot out with an interval of a second, the first if it goes astray, the second has no time to intercept the trophies
            1. MadCat
              MadCat 2 October 2017 16: 15
              +2
              The trophy is imprisoned just under the neutralization of tandem birds ...
              1. Glory1974
                Glory1974 2 October 2017 20: 22
                +2
                The trophy is imprisoned just under the neutralization of tandem birds ..

                tandem or double shots (doublets)?
                1. MadCat
                  MadCat 3 October 2017 03: 13
                  +2
                  Quote: glory1974
                  tandem or double shots (doublets)?

                  tests were also carried out on shelling from several installations at the same time, the reaction time of the system allows.
            2. kapitan92
              kapitan92 2 October 2017 20: 42
              +4
              Quote: Graz
              Already against Troffi they found a way out on the basis of the tiger, an installation with cornets was made,


              RPG 30.
      2. Chelentanych
        Chelentanych 2 October 2017 14: 52
        0
        It seems to be talking about weak security from Javelin and TOW. hi
      3. Mih1974
        Mih1974 2 October 2017 15: 13
        +9
        These videos just do not show anything about effectiveness. Yes, in the first and third cases, KAZ trips are visible, but for us, the CONSEQUENCES for the goal are much more important, but they are not, from the word Absolutely.
        It is very reminiscent of shooting "black" shelling of CAA tanks - the video goes until it hits, but then it ends immediately, because the result of such a "hit" is none !! It’s the same here - the devil knows, maybe right after KAZ the tank itself “begins to burn” slowly. And as the "participals" wrote right here - the PTRK advertisement is a circus, in fact, the real application does not look at all colorful and even casual, but the consequences are terrible and not for the faint of heart.
        1. And Us Rat
          And Us Rat 2 October 2017 20: 19
          +5
          Quote: Mih1974
          It’s very reminiscent of shooting “black” shelling of CAA tanks - the video goes until it hits, but then it ends immediately, because the result of such a “hit” is none !!

          You answered yourself. These videos were shot by "colleagues in the shop" of those same "blacks," so the style is the same. fellow
      4. padded jacket
        padded jacket 2 October 2017 15: 22
        +10
        Quote: Professor
        In Gaza, he successfully intercepted more than 15 shots, including a tax-free one in the Cornet world.

        Again, it is more like Israeli fairy tales in the first cases, the ATGM rocket hit the earthen rampart and in the second the RPG-29 grenade hit Merkava and the KAZ fired after, therefore, they don’t show us Merkava in the second episode after the shelling.
        But nothing is right now Israeli Jews will successfully saw through the US military budget, fill their pockets with dollars and shekels and calm down lol
        1. Professor
          Professor 2 October 2017 15: 54
          +8
          Quote: quilted jacket
          Again, it is more like Israeli fairy tales in the first cases, the ATGM rocket hit the earthen rampart and in the second the RPG-29 grenade hit Merkava and the KAZ fired after, therefore, they don’t show us Merkava in the second episode after the shelling.

          It’s strange. Earlier, a “padded jacket” video with Cornet cited as evidence of the effectiveness of Cornet against Merkava. Poke your nose into your pearls again? wink
          1. padded jacket
            padded jacket 2 October 2017 17: 57
            0
            Quote: Professor
            Poke your nose into your pearls again?

            Well try our dreamer lol
            1. Professor
              Professor 3 October 2017 08: 35
              +4
              Quote: quilted jacket
              Quote: Professor
              Poke your nose into your pearls again?

              Well try our dreamer lol

              You experience indescribable pleasure when you dunk your nose in yours ... laughing
              1. padded jacket
                padded jacket 3 October 2017 16: 01
                0
                Quote: Professor
                You experience indescribable pleasure when you dunk your nose in yours ...

                Yes, while the professor from you, except for miserable attempts and empty boast that you will do this, will not be visible and will not be visible because you can only compose and “threaten with a fist”, but you simply are not capable of laughing
      5. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 2 October 2017 16: 35
        0
        I got it, just you’ve laid out the videos.
  3. alibabaewitch.vasilij2018
    alibabaewitch.vasilij2018 2 October 2017 13: 33
    +5
    it is without protection.

    and this is with wired.

  4. Professor
    Professor 2 October 2017 13: 36
    +6
    According to the resource, “constructively, the KAZ Trophy in its current serial form has an Elta EL / M-2133 detecting radar with four fixed antennas with a PAR and two rotary launchers firing Shrapnel Shotguns to defeat flying anti-tank ammunition. "

    Yah?

    Like other modern defense systems mounted on a tank, Trophy imposes serious restrictions on the presence of infantry in a combat vehicle.

    Very "serious". wassat The probability of infantry defeat is less than one percent.
    1. Shurik70
      Shurik70 2 October 2017 13: 41
      +7
      Under the active locator is not an ice. The effect is the same as when exposed to radiation. The effect may accumulate. Once you stand, another. On the third, the hair will peel off and you will get transient blood cancer.
      And what is one percent. Not too much when it comes to enemies. But about our own - a completely different conversation
      1. Professor
        Professor 2 October 2017 14: 16
        +6
        Quote: Shurik70
        And what is one percent. Not too much when it comes to enemies. But about our own - a completely different conversation

        And you look at the principle of the Arena. There, he completely lays down his infantry. From that and his troops, well, just heaps. sad
        1. Mih1974
          Mih1974 2 October 2017 15: 18
          +2
          Excuse me - but what the hell is the infantry doing so close to the tank that was fired? Is it really impossible (namely, necessary) to change tactics of using infantry together with tanks when installing KAZ? Moreover - and what impact will the infantry get close to the tank that snatched the PTR? The armament of the modern howling army has changed so much that the old "postulates" like tanks advancing in the ranks of the attacking infantry hopelessly outdated.
          1. Professor
            Professor 2 October 2017 15: 50
            +4
            Quote: Mih1974
            Excuse me - but what the hell is the infantry doing so close to the tank that was fired?

            I forgive, but does the enemy warn about the upcoming shelling?

            Quote: Mih1974
            Is it really impossible (namely, necessary) to change tactics of using infantry together with tanks when installing KAZ? Moreover - and what impact will the infantry be located next to the tank that snatched the PTR? The armament of the modern howling army has changed so much that the old "postulates" like tanks advancing in the ranks of the attacking infantry are hopelessly outdated.

            Are you like a tanker or an infantryman? I suspect that neither one nor the other. Now, based on our extreme experience, tank battalions are massively pumped up by infantry.
            1. Shurik70
              Shurik70 2 October 2017 16: 39
              +1
              Quote: Professor
              Now, based on our extreme experience, tank battalions are massively pumped up by infantry.

              I think it will not. With modern weapons, a tank breakthrough supported by infantry is a thing of the past. Now there is a "tank support machine", which also goes far behind the tanks. The infantry, of course, will remain. But not for the "tank landing".
              And in that beautiful picture - in that place, the infantry will lie down and if a rocket hits the tank, if the ammunition detonates. And without detonation, at least there will be a concussion. And wounds from fragments.
    2. Oleg7700
      Oleg7700 2 October 2017 16: 01
      +4
      Yeah - "card fragments" ... yes The developer, Rafael, calls: -TROPHY-LV Countermeasure Energetic Blades. What is it, to the end no one knows. Assume: - "Trophy is an unique system, relying on directed multi-EFPs (MEFPs), which are bundled in one countermeasure. Each MEFP consists of 35 radially bundled EFPs located on a single warhead." I can’t translate, not a specialist. In English-language publications, the term "high-energy impact core" is used.
      1. Oleg7700
        Oleg7700 2 October 2017 18: 09
        +3
        The “beam” of incoming striking elements (on the right) is rather narrow, with a fairly clearly defined border.
    3. Stiletto_711
      Stiletto_711 2 October 2017 19: 53
      +2
      Quote: Professor
      The probability of infantry defeat is less than one percent.

      laughing Amused, such pearls, right to tears lol How was the likelihood of a lesion evaluated? They put infantrymen around the 100 tank, and when KAZ flicked, it hooked one, but did it survive? wassat
      1. Professor
        Professor 3 October 2017 08: 41
        +2
        Quote: Stilett_71
        Amused, such pearls, right to tears

        Laughter for no reason ...

        Quote: Stilett_71
        How was the likelihood of a lesion evaluated? They put infantrymen around the 100 tank, and when KAZ flicked, it hooked one, but did it survive?

        Maybe so. Or maybe they placed mannequins around the tank and made 1000 operations of KAZ, and at the same time only 10 mannequins hooked all of them with striking elements. Nevertheless, it is about 1% that was announced on the manufacturer’s website and judging by the fact that the Pentagon ordered this KAZ at a price of $ 350 000 per set after testing, the information is true.
        http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Pentagon-gives-g
        reen-light-to-install-Israeli-defense-system-on-U
        S-tanks-506474
        1. Stiletto_711
          Stiletto_711 3 October 2017 21: 24
          0
          Quote: Professor
          Laughter for no reason ...

          The reason for the delusional claim. There are no methods to reliably assess the likelihood of defeat with an accuracy of less than 1%. Claiming the opposite, is engaged in juggling the facts! negative
          Well, about
          Quote: Professor
          placed mannequins around the tank and produced 1000 KAZ operations, and at the same time, only 10 mannequins were hit by all of them with striking elements
          KAZ that hollowed exclusively in the upper hemisphere? laughing
          1. Professor
            Professor 4 October 2017 07: 15
            0
            Quote: Stilett_71
            The reason for the delusional claim. There are no methods to reliably assess the likelihood of defeat with an accuracy of less than 1%. Claiming the opposite, is engaged in juggling the facts!

            Appeal to the scientists from Raphael and refute their allegations about 1% percent. By the way, how many foot soldiers suffered during the 15 trophy operations?

            Quote: Stilett_71
            KAZ that hollowed exclusively in the upper hemisphere?

            Appeal to the scientists from Raphael and refute their allegations about 1% percent. By the way, how many foot soldiers suffered during the 15 trophy operations?
            1. Stiletto_711
              Stiletto_711 4 October 2017 20: 33
              0
              Quote: Professor
              By the way, how many foot soldiers suffered during the 15 trophy operations?

              Appeal to the command of the IDF, and even better to the leadership of Hezbollah and Hamas winked
              1. Professor
                Professor 4 October 2017 21: 52
                +1
                Quote: Stilett_71
                Quote: Professor
                By the way, how many foot soldiers suffered during the 15 trophy operations?

                Appeal to the command of the IDF, and even better to the leadership of Hezbollah and Hamas winked

                What for? The command of the Tsakhal actively installs KAZ on combat equipment. During the operation in Gaza, not a single “armored” vehicle with the KAZ installed on it was hit. Hamas and Hezbollah are in the know. Digging tunnels for landmines. Today it is their only hope.
                1. Stiletto_711
                  Stiletto_711 4 October 2017 22: 20
                  0
                  Quote: Professor
                  Digging tunnels for landmines. Today it is their only hope.

                  It’s just that it was restless in my heart, I even feel sorry for Hamas and Hezbollah somehow crying
                  How can they resist your child prodigy? what
                  Landmines is certainly great, but I would advise (in case representatives of these organizations read us hi ) RPG-30 to ask good people, well, or 3BM44 sub-caliber ammunition for a 125 mm tank gun (I don’t know where the Hezbollah’s tanks are from), and the ATGM tandem starts smile
                  In short, you all have a good time, and good health fellow
                  1. Professor
                    Professor 5 October 2017 09: 26
                    +1
                    Quote: Stilett_71
                    How can they resist your child prodigy?

                    Our Tsakhale say that not the tank wins, but the man in the tank. Nevertheless, the photo of the struck Merkava in the gas presented ten times by our Shiite troll was blown up precisely on a land mine by a centner. Also the most “popular” photo of Merkava from Lebanon is a land mine again.
                    Statistics show that in the extreme war in Gaza, neither Vampires nor Cornets hit our armored vehicles. It will be seen further.

                    Quote: Stilett_71
                    The landmine is of course great, but I would advise (in case representatives of these organizations read us) RPG-30 to ask good people, well, or the 3BM44 ammunition for the 125 mm tank gun (I don’t know where the Hezbollah’s tanks are from) , and tandem launches of ATGMs will go well

                    Hezbollah has tanks. Thanks to the Kremlin. However, they do not pose a threat to us. To use exotics like RPG-30, you must first equip them with children, teach them to classify targets and approach the distance of the shot to the tank, namely a hundred meters. By the way, are you sure that KAZ will take the bait? Regarding the "tandem" ATGM launches, I propose to immediately turn on the turn. Knock so on 10. wink

                    All the best to you. hi
                    1. XXXIII
                      XXXIII 5 October 2017 09: 32
                      +1
                      Quote: Professor
                      Hezbollah has tanks. Thanks to the Kremlin.

                      Where does this information come from? winked
                      1. Professor
                        Professor 5 October 2017 09: 38
                        0
                        Quote: XXXIII
                        Quote: Professor
                        Hezbollah has tanks. Thanks to the Kremlin.

                        Where does this information come from? winked

                        From the "Messenger of Mordovia".
                      2. XXXIII
                        XXXIII 5 October 2017 09: 44
                        +1
                        Quote: XXXIII
                        Quote: Professor

                        that the Iranians handed over to Hezbollah the Shell-S1 systems received from Russia.09.03.2016
                        Here is Zatsi yes professor ?! bully
  5. zhekazs
    zhekazs 2 October 2017 13: 39
    +4
    Israelis, attention! In China, this is called copying, in the states - reverse engineering.
    They bred you, they’re not even going to pay “while” for the systems themselves.
    1. Velizariy
      Velizariy 2 October 2017 13: 47
      +5
      Quote: zhekazs
      You are bred

      Some Anglo-Saxons breed Jews? !!! ha ha ha ha !!!! This can not be in principle!
    2. andrewkor
      andrewkor 2 October 2017 19: 27
      +1
      It definitely smells like a sickly cut, and both of them are masters in this!
  6. andrewkor
    andrewkor 2 October 2017 13: 41
    +3
    In total, 37 years have passed since the adoption of Abrashi into service and finally honored!
    1. Kurare
      Kurare 2 October 2017 13: 56
      +5
      Quote: andrewkor
      In total, 37 years have passed since the adoption of Abrashi into service and finally honored!

      Just "omnipotent" Americans have so far failed to do anything worthwhile. In addition, a couple dozen burnt Abrams in Yemen and Iraq very clearly showed that the “super tank” is not so super.
  7. NEXUS
    NEXUS 2 October 2017 13: 42
    +11
    Our ATGM developers are challenged and able to wash both Israelis and mattresses.
  8. Altona
    Altona 2 October 2017 13: 47
    +6
    Quote: Thrall
    In the topic of KAZ, Russia takes the first well-deserved place, the second - Israel.

    -----------------------
    Ay-yi-yay, Amerika herself decided to switch to "cotton" technology. Shame and shame, shame, where does Hollywood look? laughing laughing
  9. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 2 October 2017 13: 52
    +3
    Slowly, all the leading armies of the world will equip MBT and not only KAZ ... then the word belongs to the developers of the anti-tank systems. The sword and shield war continues .....
  10. svp67
    svp67 2 October 2017 13: 54
    +2
    Yes, how much joy is Israel ...
  11. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 2 October 2017 13: 57
    +1
    It is necessary to equip KAZ faster with their tanks ... the war in Syria showed this. And it is necessary to fight KAZ either by introducing jammers into the rocket or by some other flight modes ... with a slide or two rockets or something else.
    1. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 2 October 2017 20: 26
      +2
      Quote: Zaurbek
      And you need to fight KAZ either by introducing jammers into the rocket or by some other flight modes ... with a slide ...

      All this has long been ... we have at least. yes
  12. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 2 October 2017 14: 11
    +4
    If we win the tender, it will be a solid order.
    There are many abrams.
    1. Jedi
      Jedi 2 October 2017 14: 48
      +11
      I’m wondering: the USA will like your KAZ, they will start mass purchasing ... Stop, why can’t they demand the transfer of technology to them, so that they themselves can make and sell it not only to the owners of Abrams? Or the hope for the "decency" of the United States as an ally?
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 2 October 2017 14: 53
        +5
        "Stop, why can’t they demand the transfer of technology to them" ///

        Technology will be transferred to them all at once. In the field of tank building
        Agreement on the complete mutual transfer of technology with the States.
        Abrams has many Israeli patents and vice versa.
        But they can sell 1) with the consent and 2) financial participation
        Of Israel. For example, if they suddenly come to sell Trophy ... to Egypt
        Israel may veto.
        1. Jedi
          Jedi 2 October 2017 15: 01
          +10
          Thanks for the detailed answer, now it is much more clear. Nevertheless, the question of faith in the decency of the United States has not disappeared, although I understand that the United States is more profitable to cooperate honestly with Israel than to look for casuistic loopholes in the treaties.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 2 October 2017 15: 15
            +4
            There were overlays. For example, Americans slowed down in due time
            the transfer of Israeli radars to the Chinese AWACS.
            And they were right. Israel did not believe for a long time that China
            will develop so rapidly and begin to pose a threat to the United States.
            And the CIA predicted correctly. But Israel paid China a billion forfeit.
            1. andrewkor
              andrewkor 2 October 2017 19: 28
              0
              Billion from American help, I hope?
            2. andrewkor
              andrewkor 2 October 2017 19: 34
              +1
              I remember TAPOiCh for India made two AWACS based on the IL-76, and the filling was done in Israel, as the customer wanted.
        2. Mih1974
          Mih1974 2 October 2017 15: 37
          +3
          laughing I even suspect that in the United States and specifically in the Pentagon there will be more “yavreis” than in Israel and FIG they will give you a “tasty contract” tongue
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 2 October 2017 16: 57
            0
            On Merkava stands Diesel and transmission American ...
        3. Vasyan1971
          Vasyan1971 2 October 2017 19: 12
          +1
          Quote: voyaka uh
          For example, if they suddenly come to sell Trophy ... to Egypt
          Israel may veto.

          Haha three times! Yes, it’s more likely that the United States will impose a che-thread on Israel, than vice versa!
        4. And Us Rat
          And Us Rat 2 October 2017 20: 31
          +3
          Quote: Jedi
          why can't they demand technology transfer to them

          And on what basis?
          Quote: voyaka uh
          In the field of tank building
          Agreement on the complete mutual transfer of technology with the States.

          Production of KAZ is not a direct industry in tank building, and KAZ itself is not an integral part of the tank.
  13. raid14
    raid14 2 October 2017 15: 53
    +2
    It is easier for Americans to install German KAZ AMAP ADS on their armored vehicles located in Europe than the Israeli Trophy.
    Although no one canceled launders and kickbacks at the Pentagon.
    1. brigadier
      brigadier 2 October 2017 16: 36
      +2
      Quote: raid14
      It is easier for Americans to install German KAZ AMAP ADS on their armored vehicles located in Europe than the Israeli Trophy.
      Although no one canceled launders and kickbacks at the Pentagon.

      I have not heard that Leopards are equipped with KAZ. Correct if wrong.
      And if the Germans themselves do not put their KAZ on their tanks, then there is nothing to talk about.
    2. vearey
      vearey 2 October 2017 17: 35
      0
      easier to put the German KAZ AMAP ADS than the Israeli Trophy.
      Why is it easier? Is the installation universal?
      1. raid14
        raid14 2 October 2017 17: 49
        +3
        Universal, it works in the microsecond range and can be mounted on light armored vehicles of the type IVECO LMV, BMD MARDER, VAB.
        1. stone
          stone 2 October 2017 19: 24
          +1
          These are all advertising campaigns, so far not supported by anything. Serially from the Germans and armed with it. The Americans did not even test it, and not without reason. And they test, apparently, very thoroughly.
          Trophy is regularly installed on the Merkavas and Namers. There is operational experience and combat use. For light vehicles there is a version of Trophy LV
        2. vearey
          vearey 3 October 2017 12: 18
          0
          can be installed on light armored vehicles like IVECO LMV, BMP MARDER, VAB
          And then they say about the heavy.
  14. Yasen Ping
    Yasen Ping 2 October 2017 16: 58
    0
    I’m laughing at Nimagu, they will buy from Israel)))) and who steers by whom?))) States, but from someone to buy, well, nonsense))
    1. stone
      stone 2 October 2017 17: 27
      +4
      You go to bmpd on a thread to discuss similar news. There, the contingent will be much closer to you. And more fun again
  15. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 2 October 2017 17: 12
    +5
    The article is good, but for those who are at least a bit in the subject.
    The contract value was $ 9,9 million. One armored brigade will be equipped with active defense. Works must be completed by the end of March 2019.
    “As you can understand, General Dynamics Land Systems should only install, integrate and provide technical support for Trophy systems under this contract, and the cost of purchasing the KAZ kits themselves is not included in this contract”

    As far as I remember, in the US armored brigade 87 tanks. Accordingly, only for the installation, integration and technical support of Trophy systems, the staff will lay out $ 9,9 million. This is about 114 thousand green per unit - a mere penny in today's times. (Especially since in the future the price will fall four times.) If the system passes troop tests, the purchase of the KAZ sets will begin. I won’t figure out how many pieces will be taken, but with the purchase price of the kit within 300 thousand greens, this will be a rather serious order.
    1. andrewkor
      andrewkor 2 October 2017 19: 32
      +1
      And you are already rubbing arms and in anticipation of a sickly gesheft!
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 2 October 2017 20: 02
        +5
        We rejoice at any economic success of our country. This is normal.
  16. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 2 October 2017 20: 16
    +1
    And what, when the Arabs burned the Merkavas in our Competitions, did she help them? laughing
    1. would
      would 2 October 2017 20: 44
      +6
      Here you should back up your words with facts, otherwise I, for example, do not know a single case of the Merkava defeat with the KAZ Trophy installed using any ATGM in general.
  17. garius
    garius 2 October 2017 22: 52
    +1
    Quote: voyaka uh
    We rejoice at any economic success of our country. This is normal.


    This is when the Americans are dumping several billion dollars. a year just like that? Or when Israel has access to American technology?
    1. brigadier
      brigadier 3 October 2017 08: 58
      +2
      Envy is a very ugly human quality.
  18. Molot1979
    Molot1979 3 October 2017 07: 29
    0
    Less than 100 years
  19. Belyash
    Belyash 3 October 2017 11: 40
    0
    Israel helps the United States, but everyone thought the opposite.
  20. rocket757
    rocket757 3 October 2017 12: 05
    +4
    KAZ can protect only from "slow" ATGMs, from a projectile and "nimble" ATGM it will not protect ... it just does not have time.
    Israel has not fought a serious adversary for a long time.
    1. vearey
      vearey 3 October 2017 12: 20
      +1
      A from
      from "slow" ATGMs
      protection is not necessary?
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 3 October 2017 14: 11
        +4
        VERY NECESSARY, tk. all sorts of "barmalei", rebels and other little regular associations basically possess just such weapons.
        I did not delve into the topic ... in general, comprehensive protection is needed, EVERYTHING does not impair the combat capabilities of the tank !!!
        1. vearey
          vearey 4 October 2017 01: 50
          0
          generally need comprehensive protection
          Actually it is necessary that it was, but that it was not necessary.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 4 October 2017 14: 56
            +4
            I am for WORLD in the whole world !!!
  21. Chever
    Chever 3 October 2017 13: 30
    0
    With the connection, the "friends" are Americans. And why didn’t they accept it before? smile
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 3 October 2017 14: 40
      +4
      Burn, the best tanks in the world !!! And not a BIG adversary burns them, but all sorts of different ......
  22. Professor
    Professor 5 October 2017 10: 07
    0
    Quote: XXXIII
    Quote: XXXIII
    Quote: Professor

    that the Iranians handed over to Hezbollah the Shell-S1 systems received from Russia.09.03.2016
    Here is Zatsi yes professor ?! bully

    More often read the "Bulletin of Mordovia." laughing
    1. XXXIII
      XXXIII 5 October 2017 11: 01
      +1
      Quote: Professor
      More often read the "Bulletin of Mordovia"
      yes
      But the Kremlin didn’t sell them, it’s Iran that poop helps them! We have already expressed our concerns in the current situation to Iran! In turn, Iran has confirmed that it will increase investment in the Russian economy !!! tongue
      1. Professor
        Professor 5 October 2017 11: 14
        0
        Which Iran? It is known that they bought the T-90 in military supplies, so Russia did not supply the Islamic State of T-90 to Iran. UN sanctions, you know. wink
        1. XXXIII
          XXXIII 5 October 2017 11: 28
          +1
          Quote: Professor
          UN sanctions do you know
          yes
          Bought quietly a little bit ... laughing and they began to do their own, and gave the remnants to the brothers. lol
          1. Professor
            Professor 5 October 2017 12: 17
            +1
            Quote: XXXIII
            Bought quietly a little bit ..

            You want to say that Russia violated UN sanctions and sold tanks to the Islamic State of Iran?
            1. XXXIII
              XXXIII 5 October 2017 12: 33
              +1
              You want to say that Russia violated UN sanctions
              You think they violated, but we have so many of these sanctions! laughing
  23. Professor
    Professor 11 October 2017 09: 45
    +1





    Pentagon will equip American tanks in Europe with Israeli "Windbreakers"
    The US Army command decided not to wait for the completion of the second phase of testing the Trophy active tank defense system (Meil Ruach, Windbreaker) and begin the process of equipping it with Abrams tanks.

    About 100 tanks of a tank brigade deployed in Europe will receive the first defense developed in Israel, Defense Defense reports. After that, the brigade will be in Europe on a permanent basis, and not on a rotational basis.

    The transaction value is estimated at 150 million dollars.

    Recall that last week the Ministry of Defense approved the purchase of a trial batch of "Vetrovok" for the second phase of testing on Abrams M1A2 tanks.

    The Trophy system, in the Israeli classification known as the Meil ​​Ruach (Windbreaker), has been in service with the IDF since 2009. It is installed on Merkava IV tanks and Namer armored personnel carriers.

    On 1 on March 2011, the system was first tested in combat, successfully shooting down an anti-tank missile fired from the Gaza Strip.

    http://www.newsru.co.il/finance/11oct2017/vetrovk
    a301.html

    http://defense-update.com/20171010_aps-3.html
  24. Oleg7700
    Oleg7700 12 October 2017 19: 06
    +2
    https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=3264759#
    post3264759 On comparative tests of various KAZ by the US Army at Redstone Arsenal:
    Trophy overall exceeded US military expectations
    the number of Trophy-48 fire tests, in all cases, the system protected the M1A2 tanks, specific types of ammunition are classified
    Trophy did not affect other tank equipment
    Trophy hazard for infantry rated less than reactive armor hazard
    In the future, it is planned to introduce the Trophy function of the turret turn in the direction of the reflected threat
    KAZ deployment in tanks expected by 2020 or earlier
    KAZs Iron Fist, Iron Curtain are tested on the M2 Bradley and Stryker
    Iron Fist, Iron Curtain show less technology maturity than Trophy
  25. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 17 October 2017 15: 58
    0
    Quote: rait
    Here you should back up your words with facts, otherwise I, for example, do not know a single case of the Merkava defeat with the KAZ Trophy installed using any ATGM in general.

    Yeah. yeah, you need facts, I have them .. https: //www.youtube.com/watch? time_continue
    = 6 & v = qQaTIJ_uoA4
    1. Professor
      Professor 17 October 2017 18: 53
      0
      Quote: Dzafdet
      Quote: rait
      Here you should back up your words with facts, otherwise I, for example, do not know a single case of the Merkava defeat with the KAZ Trophy installed using any ATGM in general.

      Yeah. yeah, you need facts, I have them .. https: //www.youtube.com/watch? time_continue
      = 6 & v = qQaTIJ_uoA4

      Facts? You? No. This is Abrams, CEP. lol
  26. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 18 October 2017 15: 38
    0
    Quote: Professor
    Quote: Dzafdet
    Quote: rait
    Here you should back up your words with facts, otherwise I, for example, do not know a single case of the Merkava defeat with the KAZ Trophy installed using any ATGM in general.

    Yeah. yeah, you need facts, I have them .. https: //www.youtube.com/watch? time_continue
    = 6 & v = qQaTIJ_uoA4

    Facts? You? No. This is Abrams, CEP. lol

    And the Arabs who are being vomited on the video refute you: Merkava. And the profile is not Abrams. Now they will collect statistics and develop ATGM. And the Merkavas will burn, as they burned from the Cornets. And also Abrams, Leopards and other zoo. Have you heard about the corrected ammunition? It would be interesting for them to work on Merkava ... laughing tongue wassat
    1. Professor
      Professor 18 October 2017 19: 35
      +1
      Quote: Dzafdet
      And the Arabs who are being vomited on the video refute you: Merkava.

      100500 times discussed. This is Abrams in Yemen.
  27. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 19 October 2017 19: 24
    0
    Quote: Professor
    Quote: Dzafdet
    And the Arabs who are being vomited on the video refute you: Merkava.

    100500 times discussed. This is Abrams in Yemen.

    The word "Israel" how to interpret? How is Yemen? lol
    1. Professor
      Professor 19 October 2017 19: 49
      +1
      Quote: Dzafdet
      The word "Israel" how to interpret? How is Yemen?

      According to the text, to interpret, according to the text. Alahbar laments: "Death to America. Death to Israel. Death to the Jews." From this Abrams became Merkova? Go make others laugh. fool

      PS
      I won’t feed anymore.
  28. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 20 October 2017 16: 06
    0
    Quote: Professor
    Quote: Dzafdet
    The word "Israel" how to interpret? How is Yemen?

    According to the text, to interpret, according to the text. Alahbar laments: "Death to America. Death to Israel. Death to the Jews." From this Abrams became Merkova? Go make others laugh. fool

    PS
    I won’t feed anymore.

    No need to feed anyone. It is necessary to teach the Arabs to blow up high-explosive ordnance above Merkava. A shower of fragments will break through the barrel of the gun and that’s it. Israeli miracle can be sent to the trash. And Hezbollah burned 164 units of armored vehicles, including 46 MERCAVA tanks! laughing tongue wassat
  29. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 22 October 2017 18: 18
    0
    This video shows all cases of Merkava’s defeat and let only some of Israel say that they are Abrams ... https: //www.youtube.com/watch? Time_cont
    inue = 60 & v = ourK4C355G8