Defense Ministry will purchase BMP-3 with the module "Epoch"

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For a long time, the domestic BMP park was, as they say, in a frozen state. In the days of the former Minister of Defense Serdyukov, the purchases of the BMP-3 completely stopped. From the highest tribunes with respect to this armored vehicle, which is still considered to be quite competitive, there was biased criticism that caused bewilderment not only among Russian, but also among foreign experts, writes Messenger of Mordovia.

Defense Ministry will purchase BMP-3 with the module "Epoch"


In 2018, the BMP-2 will begin to arrive in the troops with the Berezhok combat squadron. Gunner operators and commanders of the machine will receive modern sights, which will make it equally effective to operate both day and night, new Kornet missiles with enhanced armor penetration and range, as well as automatic grenade launchers.

“If the BMP-2 with Berezhk has already proven itself well in the army of Algeria, which purchased more than 750 of such combat units, then the Epoch, the newest uninhabited combat module, has only to go through trial operation. The Russian Ministry of Defense reported the acquisition of a batch of 13 machines with such a combat module, ”writes the author of the material Lev Romanov.

For the first time, models of "Epoch" were presented at the international forum "Army-2017".

In addition to being uninhabitable, the features of this module are the presence of 57-mm automatic cannon and guided missiles of two types: “These are the well-known Kornet ATGM (the latest modifications are able to beat 8 km and punch 1300 mm of armor), as well as the first-demonstrated launcher with compact multi-purpose “Bulat” guided missiles, the article says.



“Bulaty” are intended to destroy lightly armored vehicles, like BMP, BTR, BRDM, SAU, as well as vehicles, enemy firing points.

On the Army-2017 forum, variants of the Epochs on the BMP-2 and BMP-3 were shown. It is also possible to install it on machines of the Armata and Kurganets-25 family and on wheeled vehicles.



“According to military experts, the Epoch combat module will not only remain the best in the world for a long time, but will also become an object of imitation for foreign designers,” the author concludes.
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  1. 0
    October 2 2017
    So, did Uralvagonzavod go broke?
    1. +17
      October 2 2017
      So, did Uralvagonzavod go broke?


      it is thrown to opposition members forum such Old - as a bone to dogs. they begin to rage and discuss moments that generally occur at the paper level and do not concern them at all

      Alfabank already buried our defense industry there, and Izhmash went bankrupt and much more. The themes were almost a revolution against this background, they say Serdyukov (no matter what name, substitute any) put under the knife a whole plant - and then you read that Izhmash began to produce boats and flying bikes - and these all write in other topics about the base NATO in Ulyanovsk and about other nonsense). The main thing is to drown for all the bad)

      1. +6
        October 2 2017
        Thank you for the balanced answer ... hi
    2. +1
      October 2 2017
      What edge is Uralvagonzavod here? Developer and manufacturer of KBP
      1. +2
        October 2 2017
        Quote: Knowing Life
        So, did Uralvagonzavod go broke?

        the mound is generally ... and yes, on the verge of bankruptcy, the lights will be turned off, then the heat, then with the accounts of the problem ... and so on.
        Quote: Knowing Life
        Thank you for the balanced answer ..

        "Stalinamotiki" fussed .... so this is not a "balanced answer" ... another blizzard in defense of Putin ...
        1. +15
          October 2 2017
          another blizzard in defense of Putin ...


          is it from you to protect? fighter laughing

          you are funny characters. Pride is a sin. You are sick. Do not consider yourself bigger than you really are)

          I think Putin about your struggle with him at the VO forum does not even guess and he does not need protection, on the Internet)

          Go down to the ground) he will get his 70% support even without me, and you will continue to engage in your dull struggle in the fist) Do not erase your hands)

          fussed


          hold a military headscarf so as not to smear the snot in the palm of your hand. You look and win your fight when he gets bored and retires.

          Do not be proud only then of your victory. And then you can wrestlers so)
          1. +2
            October 2 2017
            [quote = c. Petrov] [quote] funny you ... talk to you that the tree ... cheers! (by the way, not 70% but 146% ...) anyway, cheers!
            1. +1
              October 2 2017
              [quote = Grandfather] [quote = c. Petrov] [quote] you are ridiculous ... [/ quote]
              and by the way .... it looks like you are "novels" and not "peters" ... experience, then you won’t drink ... wassat
              1. +3
                October 2 2017
                you go talk better with trees)
  2. +3
    October 2 2017
    ... it is necessary to update the BMP fleet ... especially with such modules !!! ... good
    1. +3
      October 2 2017
      We will wait, when the "Epoch" will be tested in the troops. And what the hell doesn’t joke: all of a sudden, in Syria, it will have time to "light up"?
      1. +2
        October 2 2017
        not run-in, but development research - "checking the concept - for life" (!)
        because as a part of the module only: ATGM + type NURY + type "mortar-grenade launcher" LShO 57-mm
        PKT, KPVT we do not observe in this module as well as the actual "module in iron" (!)
    2. +3
      October 2 2017
      Quote: aszzz888
      ... it is necessary to update the BMP fleet ... especially with such modules !!! ... good

      It is necessary to update ... only the Kurganets project doesn’t “reject” the business and bankrupt the plant ... I hope this is the same story as with UVZ and it will quickly resolve ... but the precipitate is not very pleasant.
      1. +1
        October 2 2017
        Quote: NEXUS
        I hope that this is the same story as with UVZ and it will quickly resolve.

        a couple of years already "solved" ...
        1. +1
          October 3 2017
          Quote: Dead Day
          a couple of years already "solved" ...

          while whining and snotty about this, the plant both worked and works.
  3. +5
    October 2 2017
    And at least one machine gun is there? Something is not visible on the layout. Or did he suddenly find it superfluous? Will they beat a lone fighter from 57 mm? On the "Berezhka" they left the machine gun ..
    1. +1
      October 2 2017
      Well, have you heard the expression "artillery is the god of war"?
    2. +1
      October 2 2017
      Yes, a machine gun, as a weapon of self-defense in the near zone is necessary. How without it? Is it possible that on top of the remote control module with a cord add?
      1. +2
        October 2 2017
        Well, do not forget about 2 course machine guns + loopholes.
    3. +3
      October 2 2017
      Quote: CentDo
      Or did he suddenly find it superfluous? Will they beat a lone fighter from 57 mm? On the "Berezhka" they left the machine gun ..

      Well, judging by the asymmetric reservation of the gun, most likely - yes, it will be installed there.
      1. +2
        October 2 2017
        As far as I remember, 2A42 originally stood on the Epoch, and in this arrangement the paired PCT was there. But will there be a place for him next to LShO-57? It is doubtful like that.
        1. +3
          October 2 2017
          Quote: CentDo
          It is doubtful like that.

          We will see. But there should be enough space for installation ...
        2. +1
          October 2 2017
          Quote: CentDo
          stood 2A42

          I didn’t stand. Originally developed with a 57 mm cannon.
          1. 0
            October 2 2017
            Can you link to the source?

            http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/4504498
            http://nevskii-bastion.ru/epoha/
            https://topwar.ru/123372-boevoy-modul-epoha-s-nov
            ym-kompleksom-vooruzheniya.html
          2. +2
            October 2 2017
            57 originally stood on Baikal, this is what you confuse
    4. +2
      October 2 2017
      Epoch / Boomerang-BM with an 57-mm gun keeps the twin PKTM machine gun, but the project provides for the transfer of such weapons. The central embrasure of the tower is fully engaged in a large cannon, which is why the machine gun had to be brought to the left side of the roof and secured on a rocking installation. Submission of cartridge tapes is carried out from a protected space.
      1. 0
        October 2 2017
        Well, that's fine. The fact that I didn’t see him on the layout was embarrassing.
  4. +2
    October 2 2017
    But will such a module be too heavy for the BMP 2?
    1. +3
      October 2 2017
      Quote: Kurare
      But will such a module be too heavy for the BMP 2?

      Tests will show
      1. +5
        October 2 2017
        As in my opinion, so the "Berezhok" is quite sufficient for BMP 2. Let it be better initially to test BMP 3, and of course on a promising platform or platforms.

        At one time, they wanted to install a 57 mm gun on the PT-76. The platform is old of course, but the idea was, in my opinion, very interesting.
        1. +3
          October 2 2017
          Quote: Kurare
          ... At one time, they wanted to install a 57 mm gun on the PT-76. The platform is old of course, but the idea was, in my opinion, very interesting.

          57 mm on the Baikal module soldier :
    2. 0
      October 2 2017
      and where did they write about the BMP-2?
  5. +3
    October 2 2017
    In the Soviet, and even earlier in the Red Army, the unification of military and military equipment has always been given great importance. Now in the Russian army there are so many new and motley weapons, will it not be greasy? All the same, it all needs to be somehow maintained.
    1. Don
      +2
      October 2 2017
      Quote: Pecheneg
      In the Soviet, and even earlier in the Red Army, the unification of military and military equipment has always been given great importance. Now in the Russian army there are so many new and motley weapons, will it not be greasy? All the same, it all needs to be somehow maintained.

      Do not worry too much, most types of these weapons are purchased in very limited quantities, initially assigning them the role of beautiful exhibits for parades and exhibitions.
      1. +1
        October 3 2017
        Quote: Donskoy
        most types of these weapons are purchased in very limited quantities, initially assigning them the role of beautiful exhibits for parades and exhibitions.

        lol?
    2. 0
      October 3 2017
      Quote: Pecheneg
      Now in the Russian army there are so many new and motley weapons, will it not be greasy? All the same, it’s all necessary to somehow contain

      Your valuable thoughts will certainly be brought to the attention of the RF Armed Forces command. soldier
  6. +1
    October 2 2017
    [quote] [author] "Bulat" is intended for the destruction of lightly armored vehicles, such as infantry fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers, armored personnel carriers, self-propelled guns, as well as automobiles and enemy firing points.
    it turns out unnecessary duplication of 57mm down. It would be better, MANPADS
    1. +2
      October 2 2017
      So after all, 57 mm of fluff is not fluff, but rather an automatic mortar with high-explosive fragmentation grenades, it is only for infantry.
      1. +1
        October 2 2017
        So, like, 2A28 on BMP1 already passed?
        1. +2
          October 2 2017
          and LShO-57 doesn’t seem to be there yet.
          There was a detailed discussion

          https://topwar.ru/123372-boevoy-modul-epoha-s-nov
          ym-kompleksom-vooruzheniya.html

          Unlike Thunder, this gun
          1. automatic
          2. Theoretically capable of firing on a mounted trajectory
          3. Under it, you can create any smart ammunition with a programmable detonation.
          4. Well, of course, the modern SOU.

          Well, there’s also an additional anti-tank missile system for heavily armored targets.
          After all, the presence of 100 mm 2A70 on the BMP-3 does not bother you, despite the fact that the Thunder has already passed?
          1. 0
            October 2 2017
            2A70 duplicated 2A72 and there it really doesn’t bother
            1. 0
              October 2 2017
              So actually about the domestic 30-mm guns there is a huge amount of criticism.
              At the moment, they say that they are not effective enough in terms of infantry or modern armored vehicles or air targets.

              The ammunition 2A70 takes up a lot of space and is located in the fighting compartment of the BMP
              1. 0
                October 2 2017
                the only thing that can confuse the “melon” solution (?) is the different gun aiming angles for one target
                1. +1
                  October 2 2017
                  Is it too categorical? Is this really the only one?

                  On vkidku advantages of the layout with the "era" over the "melon."
                  1. ammunition issued for habitable volume. In my opinion, this can be important for lightly armored vehicles.
                  2. The infantry efficiency of 57 mm small-scale guns is higher than that of 30 mm high-ballistic guns. And due to the possibility of automatic fire, it should not concede to a 100mm gun.
                  3. The effectiveness of guided weapons - 4 cornets against 4 100mm missiles fired through a cannon ...
                  4. the possibility of using "smart" ammunition, and such were for a 100mm gun, but for 57 mm they can be corny more in ammunition.

                  Of the shortcomings -
                  1. destruction of fortifications - but here a 100 mm gun probably looks noticeably more serious. But is it possible to use amplification means for these purposes? Are there tanks or a mortar platoon?
                  2. The fight against light BT - here the 30 mm gun has an indisputable advantage, but in the first, the modern "light" BT is not so easy that penetration of a 30 mm gun is not enough for it, especially with steel bars. Well, and secondly, you need to see what this Bulat complex is like. Guided missile small calliber seems to be not so bad ...

                  As for me, this combat module is quite interesting. But this is only the opinion of the delitant.
                  Well, as far as I understand, the article deals with the release of new cars and not the modernization of existing ones.
                  1. 0
                    October 2 2017
                    I am also an amateur, but in comparison with melon, I don’t see an alternative to the AU-220m
                    1. +1
                      October 2 2017
                      The ammunition for this gun will have nowhere to put, unless to place again in the fighting compartment.
  7. +1
    October 2 2017
    This BMP-3 will be revolutionary, with envy and fear the geyropeytsy and Yankees will be boiling water, and Ukrainians will self-destruct from fear.
  8. +3
    October 2 2017
    It is necessary to upgrade BMP-2 and BMP-3, as there are a lot of them in combat units, but I think it’s time for the MO to finish the tests of the Kurgan, or, as I understand it, everything is calculated in the state armament program until 2025 ...
  9. +1
    October 2 2017
    A good module, I do not argue, but it is embarrassing that it will cost several times more than Bahchi, and shooting at enemy forces from a 57mm gun looks very doubtful. If on the tanks of the last modification they put a machine gun 7,62, then not a BMP, not even 12,7 mm. A very irrational dubious decision. It should be in the pair 7,62mm.
    1. 0
      October 2 2017
      There is no place in the spark, it is necessary to take it somewhere to the body.
  10. 0
    October 2 2017
    It is interesting to see the shooting of a 57mm grenade launcher ...
  11. +3
    October 2 2017
    In 2018, BMP-2s with the Berezhok combat compartment will begin to enter the troops.

  12. +1
    October 2 2017
    If there are such modules, then why do you need a terminator?
  13. 0
    October 2 2017
    Ehhh module. Electronic, well, everything is clear with FSUs, but what about it? Americans or more broadly?

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