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Moscow and Ankara appear in the typical eastern role of conspirators. American interests in Syria will be dealt with an “aggressive” blow. Putin and Erdogan have already agreed on everything. Putin plays the first violin, Erdogan accompanies the orchestra.


At the Russian-Turkish negotiations. A photo: kremlin.ru




V.V. Putin and R.T. Erdogan became close because of Syria. Now Russia and Turkey are weaving joint intrigues against the United States in the Middle East. A blow to the power of the United States will be inflicted in Syria.

Putin and Erdogan are already “preparing” to deliver a “aggressive” blow to US interests in Syria, says publicist Tom Rogan, whose comment appeared on the pages of the publication "Washington Examiner".

After watching the joint press conference of Erdogan and Putin, held in Turkey, Rogan made some of his own conclusions, disappointing for the Trump administration.

Putin stated with regard to Syria that Turkey and Russia have agreed on a cease-fire in the north-eastern province of Idlib. This is not a plus for the United States, since it means that Idlib, this large stronghold of Sunni insurgents fighting "the Assad-Putin-Iran axis," is about to lose the support of Erdogan, who set out to stop supplying the rebels.

In December last year, Mr. Rogan warned that Russia sees its goal as “the destruction of the rebels in Idlib”. But now that Erdogan has portrayed Putin’s puppet and suppliant, and the United States has refused the support of most of the rebel groups, everything is in favor of stripping Idlib of Russia, Asad and Iran, the author summarizes. “Prepare for the Aleppo-style massacre,” he advises.

According to Rogan, the United States should not refuse to support the few groups of moderately Sunni opposition with whom contacts still exist. If Washington turns its back on these groupings, the IG (Islamic State, prohibited in the Russian Federation) and its satellites, as well as Iran and Russia (through weakening confidence in the region, the analyst specifies) will benefit from this.

There are other "bad news, Rogan taunts. Erdogan and Putin "hinted" that they were going to crush the Kurds. Erdogan complained about the Kurdish referendum held the other day. According to him, the plebiscite caused a "regional crisis." The Turkish President promised: "We must prevent steps that could later cause major mistakes by the Kurdish regional authorities."

What can these "we" prevent?

Something suggested Putin. Rather, he made the "unpleasant hint." The former KGB lieutenant colonel, the author points out, said: “We have agreed to continue close cooperation with our foreign ministries, our defense ministries and our intelligence services on the Syrian conflict and other regional issues.”

When Putin refers to his own intelligence services, it means "cruelty or violence," Rogan said. At present, “the risks of attacks of the Turkish-Russian axis on the Kurdish territories are significant,” he believes.

Alas, behind all this wider problems in the American-Turkish relations are visible, the publicist sums up. Namely, the fact that the leader of one of the leading American allies in NATO, Turkey, has now “firmly joined Vladimir Putin.” And not without reason at the press conference, Erdogan has repeatedly noted that he and Putin "often talk on the phone," and repeatedly called Putin his "friend" and even "dear friend." Having amused "his master's ego," Erdogan "thanked Putin in Russian!"

Thanks to Erdogan’s agreement with Putin, thanks to the love of Moscow and Ankara, the war in Syria is about to end, writes "Der Spiegel" Maximilian Popp, author of a report from Istanbul.

“Putin visited Erdogan. There is a plan behind this love, ”the journalist tells, not without irony. This is a "clear signal": the West is warned.

In June 2016, the author recalls, something extraordinary happened: Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan apologized to Putin! A year earlier, the Turkish military shot down a Russian fighter over Syria. For several months, both states were on the verge of conflict. Russian President Vladimir Putin imposed economic sanctions against Ankara, stopped the flow of tourists from Russia to Turkey.

But since then, Turkish-Russian relations have undergone an “amazing transformation.” Erdogan seeks "closer proximity with Russia." He visited Moscow and called Putin his "dear friend Vladimir."

Now Putin has visited Ankara - for the first time in three years. And Syria has become one of the topics of their conversation. The Turkish government regards negotiations as a sign of “normalization of Turkish-Russian relations”. But politicians in Europe and the United States fear that Turkey may "turn away from the West and turn to Russia."

The rapprochement between Turkey and Russia was first welcomed by Washington. Barack Obama, who was the president of the United States at the time, after the shooting down of the aircraft, personally initiated a “de-escalation of the conflict” between the two states.

However, the acquisition by the Turks of the Russian antimissile system C-400 is an unequivocal warning to Western strategists. It is important for Europe and the USA to understand: Turkey, in principle, can “break out of the defense alliance”.

Relations between Turkey and the West, reminds Popp, have long been experiencing a serious crisis. A number of NATO countries are worried about the “authoritarian government style of Erdogan”. In turn, Ankara accuses its partners of supporting Turkey’s enemies, for example, the extremists of the Kurdish terrorist organization PKK or the followers of the sect of the Islamic preacher Gulen, who is allegedly responsible for the attempt to overthrow Erdogan 15 on July 2016.

The decision of US President Donald Trump to equip the YPG, the Syrian branch of the PKK, with heavy weapons to fight the “Islamic State” has further aggravated tensions between Ankara and Washington.

Erdogan is now moving in the direction of Russia, and he is doing this “mainly for strategic reasons.” He wants to demonstrate to Europeans and Americans that he does not depend on their "goodwill", that Turkey "has other partners." At the same time, he believes that the interests of his country in Syria currently benefit most from cooperation with Russia.

At one time, the Turkish government failed to overthrow “the Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad using Islamic extremists,” Popp reminds. Now in Syria we are talking about something else: mainly Turkey’s interests extend to preventing the creation of a state by the Kurds. And Erdogan is counting on "the support of Assad's allies - Russia and Iran."

Erdogan is much less interested in ideology than the West. Erdogan is rather a pragmatist in foreign policy.

Still, the partnership between Putin and Erdogan is limited. Russia's attitude to the Kurds is “not at all unambiguous,” because in Moscow “many consider the YPG to be a legitimate partner in the fight against the Islamists in Syria.”

In addition, Russia is preparing a major attack in Idlib province, where opposition groups have taken root. Some of them are "close to Turkey." The bloody clashes around Idlib can quickly revive “anti-Russian indignation” among the Turkish population, similar to what happened in the winter battles for Aleppo. Erdogan risks an image: he may be perceived “as an accomplice of Putin,” said Ahmet K. Khan, a political analyst at the Kadir-Ha University in Istanbul. In this case, Russian-Turkish relations can "quickly cool down."

On the other hand, there is some progress in the Kurdish issue. And it’s not for nothing that Russia declared that the war in Syria with the help of Turkey would end soon. This writes Tom O'Connor in the publication Newsweek.

Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Thursday that he and Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan agreed on the actual conditions necessary to end the war between the warring factions in Syria. Putin’s statement was the result of Russia's work with Iran and Turkey to achieve a political resolution of the six-year conflict. Turkey, which has sponsored rebels since 2011, who wanted to overthrow President Bashar al-Assad, agreed to create four de-escalation zones in a war-torn country. "I consider these agreements to be our common extremely important success," the author of the article by President Putin quotes.

Next, O'Connor turns to the Kurdish question. Russia highly appreciated the statement of the Syrian government that it is ready to hold talks on greater Kurdish autonomy. However, in condemning the Kurdish regional government in northern Iraq, Putin "joined Erdogan."

* * *


In the "Syrian" relations of Russia and Turkey there were great difficulties and there were attempts to get closer. The difficulties were overcome, and now, as noted by the largest Western media, Erdogan and Putin are demonstrating a “close partnership”. Obviously, Erdogan even abandoned his plans to overthrow Assad, who in times not so old called out "Butcher" and "killer."

However, you should not trust Erdogan. As they correctly write in foreign newspapers, he is more a pragmatist than a slave to any ideology. The Turkish president will do everything to prevent the Kurdish state from forming: in Turkey, more than 18% of the population are Kurds, and the Kurdish question plays a huge role in the domestic policy of the state. Any dispute between Moscow and Ankara over the so-called Kurdistan could put the Syrian alliance of Turkey and Russia in jeopardy. In this case, there will be nothing left of “love” and “dear friendship” between Erdogan and Putin, while Western analysts will stop teasing the Turkish ruler with “Putin's puppet”.
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  1. +13
    2 October 2017 09: 25
    The plane was shot down, people died, the ambassador was killed.
    S-400 on credit with technology ..
    1. +28
      2 October 2017 10: 12
      Do you understand politics better than GDP? Do you know what technologies were transferred to Turkey about the S-400 ?! You are a scary person !!!!!!!! Trump and Eun must be afraid of you! Take a checker, download on the forums, swing it. Demonstrate your scholarship and you will be exalted on a pedestal !!!!
      1. +10
        2 October 2017 10: 32
        Well, I don’t know, I can’t imagine how you can transfer the most modern weapons after the aircraft were killed, the killing of the military, after Putin’s words ...
        This is if Israel passed the Arabs to Merkava or the Iron Dome, it does not fit in my head.


        1. +3
          2 October 2017 10: 46
          This is not the most modern weapon in Russia. In the world, this may not be the case with you, either.
          1. +12
            2 October 2017 10: 54
            Quote: Belyash
            it doesn’t fit in my head.

            You came up with the nickname "whitewash". You left Russia. Definitely we are different people and the actions of Russians cannot "fit" into your head.
            Otherwise, you would live in Russia and would not call yourself a meat pie. hi
            1. +2
              2 October 2017 12: 24
              Yes, here they are right on both sides.
              The ambassador was killed by a scumbag. Unfortunately, there are such in every country. There is no blame for Turkey. But Turkey shot down a plane. And this must not be forgotten.
              But now we need to help Syria and the Middle East in general to restore peaceful life. The Americans and the rest of NATO, except Turkey, interfere with this. And if for this you have to do business with Turkey - you need to conduct them. But do not forget about the plane - to insure. That is, in financial transactions - provide for heavy fines for failure to fulfill obligations. When our plane flies near Turkey, it’s necessary to keep a fighter with military missiles ready.
          2. 0
            5 October 2017 17: 08
            maybe not the most modern, but in order to shoot down Russian planes it’s quite suitable. how much it was necessary for the Turkish pasha to sell tomatoes on the market in Moscow so that Moscow decided to sell Erdogan to the Islamist 400 and he is an Islamist and his party of justice is a party of Islamic radicals and today he turned to face Moscow tomorrow but he will have a trump card with the Kremlin’s 400 he gave it to him. and as for the Kurds, it’s 40 million people living for thousands of years on their land, they are formally Muslims Sunnis and Shiites 5 percent Yezidis but de facto absolutely secular people and they are just as necessary as Russia and Israel and Europe and the states openly support Kurds in their fight for independence only Israel by the way the states did not hold a referendum in Kurdistan
        2. +15
          2 October 2017 11: 08
          Already not the most modern, because The S-500 will be ready soon, this time, most likely our planes can be protected from shooting down the S-400, it’s two, turning an opponent into an ally in big politics costs a lot, they are guided by a different morality (good or bad, not me to judge), these are three, Turkey has already been severely punished with money and shown who is the boss in the house, these are four, a lot of lives were saved by these negotiations and the end of the conflict was nearing, which again reduces our future material and human losses, this is five, Russia's influence in region, this is six, well, many other goals have been achieved, IMHO.

          Of course, from the point of view of a simple person it looks almost a betrayal of the memory of the dead pilot, but what would you like? A full-scale war to destroy Turkey, as a state? Which will almost certainly grow into world 3 or mb to throw them with nuclear missiles? Or break all diplomatic relations and stand in the pose of an offended girl?

          In general, I’m neither a politician nor a political scientist, there are a lot of these “experts” with opposing opinions on TV in the world, but I believe that Turkey has suffered a well-deserved punishment and we can forgive this incident, although we should not forget about it, if we they didn’t answer at all, then yes, I would say that this is a betrayal. But in politics there are no friends, there are temporary allies and it is very important to snatch such an ally from the USA.
          1. +2
            2 October 2017 12: 00
            Quote: Santjaga_Garka
            Already not the most modern, because The S-500 will be ready soon, this time, most likely our aircraft can be protected from shooting down the S-400,

            Still, the S-500 is slightly sharpened for another, but the supply of the S-400 is a good business. Moreover, it will be an export option. And since the technique is complicated, really, there really should be a "protection" from the use of our aviation - I completely agree with you. We will not sell - others will sell. And the supply of S-400 is important for Erdogan also because in this way he “clicks” on the nose of the USA. The Turcis amerikosy have their own squabbles, but Russia should help Erdogan in this - and not without profit! hi
            PS Salute to the Dark Court Commissioner! soldier bully
          2. 0
            5 October 2017 17: 10
            that is, not far off in turn is the sale of Turkish pasha with 500 to understand this?
        3. +6
          2 October 2017 13: 08
          I was shocked, the Jews were worried about the fate of Russia, but we, as always, began to make excuses.
          1. 0
            5 October 2017 17: 12
            Jews are concerned about the fate of Israel, at least those that like me are Israelis but I don’t understand how one interferes with the other. in the future, and Assad, which with 12 percent Alawites in Syria will need an ally in the fight against Islamists, since Israel naturally falls away, an independent Kurdistan, by the way, could also be an ally for Russia, too
        4. +4
          2 October 2017 13: 33
          Quote: Belyash
          Well, I don’t know, I don’t imagine how you can transfer the most modern weapons after the aircraft were killed, the killing of the military

          laughing Change the plane to the reconnaissance ship and look for the answer in the history of Israel!
          1. 0
            5 October 2017 17: 14
            in Israel, even theoretically no one would think of delivering Israeli hats to Turks in Israel, although our relations with the Turks are no worse than our relations with Turkey
        5. +2
          2 October 2017 19: 37
          Quote: Belyash
          Well, I don’t know, I don’t imagine how you can transfer the most modern weapons after the aircraft were killed, the killing of the military,

          Quote: Belyash
          This is if Israel passed the Arabs to Merkava or the Iron Dome, it does not fit in my head.

          Yes, here many people don’t get it in my head !!! And only URYAKalki for everything with two hands FOR!
        6. +2
          3 October 2017 10: 41
          Quote: Belyash
          after the plane was hit


          Learn Russian: "Zbili" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          Useful !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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        1. +2
          2 October 2017 21: 02
          Except that Putin relies on such data, which no one here has! And maybe his brains are different. Than others, because he is the president of the Great Power!
        2. +1
          3 October 2017 10: 44
          Quote: gregpiev
          generally interested


          Learn Russian: InterIS !!!!!!!!!!!

          Useful !!!!!!!!!!!!
        3. 0
          5 October 2017 17: 22
          king good boyars bad
    2. +11
      2 October 2017 10: 24
      Quote: Belyash
      The plane was shot down, people died, the ambassador was killed.

      If everything was so bad, GDP would not have warned Erdogan of rebellion and an attempted coup.
      Quote: Belyash
      C-400 on credit along with technology.

      Neither technology, nor keys, nor passwords have been transferred to C-400 and will not be ....
      Russia in the Middle East needs a partner, not a vassal, as the EU and the United States have been trying to do in recent decades.
      1. +5
        2 October 2017 11: 06
        Quote: stalkerwalker
        and not a vassal, as the EU has been trying to do with the US in recent decades.

        Looking at Hohland and Georgia, pure cannon fodder is required. The vassal has too many rights. The leadership of hohland and georgia are overseers, not vassals at all. Erdogan simply does not want to burn with his country for the sake of the next visit to Trump or his daughter. For which the Americans tried to remove it. It is necessary to transplant sukashvilli there. How to finish with Hohland.
      2. +1
        2 October 2017 19: 42
        Quote: stalkerwalker
        Russia needs a partner in the Middle East

        Well, if Turkey is a partner, then I’m a ballerina! And everyone else is also from ballet ...
    3. +1
      2 October 2017 11: 12
      Where does this bile come from? What, did you get pinched ?! laughing
    4. +1
      2 October 2017 12: 00
      Now an alliance with Turkey is at hand. In the short term, our "oil refinery" desperately needs to stretch two strands of pipes along the Black Sea to Europe and Turkey, and then put Turkey at a Russian nuclear power plant. We will give the Kurds offal for such a thing. Business and nothing personal.
    5. +7
      2 October 2017 12: 29
      There is no need to be a politician at the level of GDP, and so it is clear for us that Russia has one adversary, call it whatever the international oligarchy, the world backstage, the globalist elite, the Judeo-Masonic conspiracy (although I don’t understand how the last term was formed, because the Jews could not become Masons) . In general, these are all terms denoting a global grouping trying to steer global resources. The United States and only the United States (as Great Britain used to be) now acts as the organizational structure of this group. Everything else is their satellites. Any breakaway satellite automatically weakens the host. That’s the point of Turkey’s policy.
    6. +1
      2 October 2017 13: 09
      S-400 is already outdated, and politics is a quiet matter, although there are dead. We will soon see what the result will be.
    7. BAI
      +1
      2 October 2017 13: 56
      The plane was shot down, people died, the ambassador was killed.

      Germany in 41 attacked the USSR. But we are in contact with Germany.
      1. 0
        5 October 2017 17: 16
        before the formation of the Federal Republic of the Soviet Union, 4 years led a war in which 27 million Soviet citizens died; your example is very unsuccessful
    8. 0
      2 October 2017 14: 21
      Yes, this Erdogan is a clown, in general, after the incident, there is no faith in him and there will not be
    9. +1
      2 October 2017 14: 34
      And you thought up a pie that we, to the delight of the shulkhanarukhites, should have clashed with Turkey ?! give the Golan to begin with - Judas advisers!
      1. 0
        5 October 2017 17: 18
        we won’t give it back if you want to take away our land by force of holons, we won them in the war unleashed by the Arabs like Russia, the Kurils and the Kaliningrad region
    10. +1
      2 October 2017 17: 37
      Pork whitewash, you're funny ....
  2. +8
    2 October 2017 09: 26
    Russian President Vladimir Putin said Thursday that he and Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan had agreed on the actual conditions needed to end the war between the warring factions in Syria.

    ... and also to reconcile Erdogan and B. Assad ... because they used to be friends, they were friends of families ...
    1. +2
      2 October 2017 09: 50
      Quote: aszzz888
      ... and also to reconcile Erdogan and B. Assad ... because they used to be friends, they were friends of families ...

      Point no return passed. Assad is not a judoka.
      1. +3
        2 October 2017 13: 12
        In politics, there are neither eternal allies, nor eternal enemies. Friends are definitely not there. It is bad when the interests of the state (public interests) are replaced by personal or group ones (this is me about the "elite"). Then figures like Kerensky and Gorbi appear.
    2. +2
      2 October 2017 10: 09
      They may not be friends, but they will certainly become good neighbors.
      1. 0
        2 October 2017 14: 48
        Quote: LAWNER
        They may not be friends, but they will certainly become good neighbors.

        Yeah ... right now. They will betray you at the right time for them. As soon as the Syrian swamp sucks us even deeper, the Chik and the straits are closed. Montreux Convention? No, not heard. Are you protesting And we are at your protest with the device. Declare war? Yes, do not tell. We flunked your plane, and you are building a gas pipeline for your own money. And the strength is not enough for the 2nd NATO member. Tourists do not let? And we do not care. How do you like such a good neighborhood?
        1. 0
          5 October 2017 17: 27
          Tomorrow, the Turks will block the Basfor Strait and put your c400 there to convince yourself what to do then you will transfer tourists to the anatolia according to the mythical gas rule that is only on paper and which Europe is no longer needed because in the first place Europe, like the whole world, is switching to slate in the second huge gas fields found in israel and cyprus
  3. +20
    2 October 2017 09: 37
    How can one trust an eastern despot who has once stabbed Russia in the back?
    With the S-400 - the mind is incomprehensible. Americans and those technologies are not scattered ...
    Turkey - the centuries-old 100% geopolitical enemy of Russia, the defiler of Orthodox shrines and a member of NATO
    It was not necessary to save Erdogan, but to finance a coup against him
    1. +1
      2 October 2017 10: 11
      In one, the Bolsheviks were right .. Religion is opium for the people ...
      Half of the wars occurred on religious grounds.
    2. +1
      2 October 2017 11: 12
      Quote: BRONEVIK
      and to finance a coup against him

      Hoping for an honorary congressional medal?
    3. 0
      2 October 2017 11: 18
      Well, you know the story well ... Namely, the young Soviet Republic supported young Turkey - with gold and grain! The most terrible and destructive wars were not with Turkey! tongue
    4. 0
      2 October 2017 11: 38
      Yeah, 2 times! Finance the coup? Well, about the "grandmother in the pipe" I will not remember. It is strange that different funding from "dear Leonid Ilyich" to different cannibals who learned to pronounce "socialism" is forgotten. The most important thing: to finance the coup with the amers? So that the owners of the United States put in Turkey another analogue of "Poroshenko"? - smart, sir, nothing to say. here it wouldn’t hurt Omar Khayyam to recall: "What is better with anyone than with anyone else." Everything was right with Turkey in foreign policy. I am sure that both Karlov and Peshkov least of all from the other world would like Turland to turn into an aggressive anti-Russian enclave of the Rothschilds, spraying the demoniacous anti-Russian saliva to the people of Urkaina-2014.
      1. +3
        2 October 2017 11: 50
        Quote: andrew42
        Well, about the "grandmother in the pipe" I will not remember. It is strange that different funding from "dear Leonid Ilyich" to different cannibals who learned to pronounce "socialism" is forgotten.

        Believe in tales? And what did the Americans do, holding up the much worse cannibals. Pinochet, somos and others?
        Russia is cooperating with Turkey. By investing a lot of money, why don't you point blank that it is an analogue of essentially imperial politics. Like in the USSR in the past?
      2. 0
        2 October 2017 14: 36
        In politics - it’s no friends with everyone “anyhow” - there is a favorable position and common interests!
    5. +1
      2 October 2017 11: 51
      Quote: BRONEVIK
      It was not necessary to save Erdogan, but to finance a coup against him

      On S-400 - say nonsense, the export version is cleared from the export of significant technologies.
      Yes, Russia and Turkey constantly fought, but Turkey has always been a neighbor and there has always been trade with it.
      And as for the financing of the coup - this is for you to the United States, they do not make friends with such methods. Yes, we are not friends - just neighbors.
      1. +17
        2 October 2017 12: 06
        What does the export or non-export.
        Why even transfer technology to even allies (I am silent about the muddy and temporary fellow travelers).
        Yes, Russia and Turkey constantly fought, but Turkey has always been a neighbor and there has always been trade with it.

        I am silent about the Turkish genocide - the murder of 2 million people of the Armenian people - a true friend and ally of Russia in the Caucasus. I will not recall the murder of our pilot (for the sake of the Turkish stream, the “knife in the back” was pulled out very quickly) or the Turanian modern plans of the Turks (on their maps the border passes right beyond the Caspian - this is what they dream about).
        I will cite only the words of one Turk (legal partner of my brother’s client) that he said about the Russians: “Russians are a nation of slaves. The only difference is that if we used to come for their women, now their women come to us themselves. ”
        The Turks hated Russia all their lives (even if they sometimes suck) - and the historian Kersnovsky was right in saying that, unlike the Germans and Austrians, Turkey is a natural, sworn and centuries-old enemy of Russia hi
        1. +2
          2 October 2017 12: 35
          Quote: BRONEVIK
          What does the export or non-export.
          Why even transfer technology to even allies (I am silent about the muddy and temporary fellow travelers).

          Nobody is transferring technology, it’s just iron. Export - this is somewhat "dull" compared to intended for internal use. Yes, and his set of missiles is different. Even a complete disassembly and close examination does not allow us to quickly reproduce this complex.
          Quote: BRONEVIK
          I will cite only the words of one Turk (legal partner of my brother’s client) that he said about the Russians: “Russians are a nation of slaves. The only difference is that if we used to come for their women, now their women come to us themselves. ”

          And there are those in Turkey. And with us.
          We can also remember - around Trapezund and Sinop on the coast of Turkey in the 17-18-19 centuries there were very few Turks proper - the raids of the Cossacks simply did not allow them to exist even not too far from the city. But the Cossacks did not touch Christians. Or usually not touched. In Don, a bride from Turetschina was considered to be brought for valor! hi
        2. +2
          2 October 2017 12: 54
          Why even transfer technology to allies
          You read the comments and you begin to understand that we have one GDP in our country ... Oh, not smart, of course!
          “Russians are a nation of slaves. The only difference is that if we used to come for their women, now their women come to us themselves. ”
          And what is wrong? Everyone roams to Turkey and then boast about it. I always make fun of vacationers in Turkey. I ask a question and I know the answer to it)))
          - Well, how did you rest?
          -Class. Loose food, vodka-beer sea. Tagiyiel ...
          All!!! No more emotions. That's what a person needs to relax. After that, it’s hard to argue that we are not slaves.
          I have not been in turland and will not be there. And my children do not look there.
        3. +1
          2 October 2017 21: 14
          What nonsense! When did they come for women? During the Crimean War, perhaps 19th century? And what kind of women go to them? Tourists go simply. You never know what anyone will say.
    6. 0
      2 October 2017 13: 47
      Quote: BRONEVIK
      It was not necessary to save Erdogan, but to finance a coup against him

      And who would replace him?
  4. +10
    2 October 2017 09: 46
    “The Darkest”, pursues a turn-based strategy, first of all, Syria .. And relations with Erdogan, whoever outsmartes anyone here .. VVP understands this .. a very delicate game .. As Comrade Sukhov said: “The East is a delicate matter .. You must take Abdullah through the chimney It was"..
  5. +7
    2 October 2017 09: 49
    At the same time, he believes that the interests of his country in Syria currently benefit most from cooperation with Russia.

    Tomorrow he will benefit most from cooperation with the states and will turn his back on us, to the states in front ... well, even if he does not stick a knife in the back ..
    1. +10
      2 October 2017 10: 31
      Erdogan - the beaten wolf ....
      Yes. He pursues his own policy of Greater Turkey. And why is this possible in the USA, Russia, Europe, but not Turkey?
      GDP creates partnerships with Turkey to stabilize the Middle East. And today, the main goal is to destroy ISIS in Syria, thereby reducing the quantitative composition of DAES gangsters, and reducing their role in destabilization in the warheads.
    2. 0
      2 October 2017 11: 14
      Quote: Masya Masya
      Tomorrow he will benefit most from cooperation with the states and will turn his back on us, to the states before ..

      It is unlikely. They now have a "love" mutual. They will carry him forward, who will replace him?
    3. +4
      2 October 2017 12: 16
      Quote: Masya Masya
      At the same time, he believes that the interests of his country in Syria currently benefit most from cooperation with Russia.

      Tomorrow he will benefit most from cooperation with the states and will turn his back on us, to the states in front ... well, even if he does not stick a knife in the back ..

      To us backwards and the knife is in our backs .... request bully Well said! good
      It’s even better than the classics - put it in a clean field, put it against the wall and put a bullet in the forehead! fellow
      But seriously - you should not be guided by grievances, not feelings, but solely by your interests. It is profitable for us to sell S-400 to Erdogan - this is a great advertisement!
      It is beneficial for us to cooperate with Turkey both in the economy, and in Syria, and in general in the region. And last year’s rebellion, to a large extent, turned Turkey off from the United States, and the refugee situation and the attitude of Europe towards this issue from Europe itself. Now Turkey and I are traveling companions - and nothing more. Trust him, of course, is not worth it. But Saudi Arabia is now exactly the same travel companion for Israel - the only difference is that they do not show it in a demonstrative manner, but in reality they cooperate well, although they do not trust. hi
      1. +5
        2 October 2017 12: 31
        Quote: andj61
        To us backwards and the knife is in our backs ....

        Will erupt, Erdogash may not show such somersaults either ... wink
    4. +1
      2 October 2017 12: 59
      Quote: Masya Masya
      At the same time, he believes that the interests of his country in Syria currently benefit most from cooperation with Russia.

      Tomorrow he will benefit most from cooperation with the states and will turn his back on us, to the states in front ... well, even if he does not stick a knife in the back ..

      Eeee, darago! Trusts us backwards. To the states before the blowjob they will do it.
      well, if at the same time the knife does not stick in the back
      ETOGES how to dodge in order to create this? I just can’t imagine. Probably with the imagination it’s really bad (((
  6. +1
    2 October 2017 10: 09
    Another cunning plan of Putin, inaccessible to me, as a sofa man in the street!
    1. +4
      2 October 2017 10: 49
      In the USSR there was a very careful selection in the KGB. We still use the achievements of the USSR.
      1. +1
        2 October 2017 20: 54
        Apparently, Putin has a powerful argument that Perdogan changed his shoes so noticeably. But the stripes have no counterargument yet. May the mattress dogs look, torment the remnants of the brain, be nervous and twitch! Time in all areas of foreign policy works for us. It remains to understand our economy and understand where and why we are moving.
  7. +2
    2 October 2017 10: 10
    Quote: Belyash
    The plane was shot down, people died, the ambassador was killed.
    S-400 on credit with technology ..


    like yesterday there was infa what the 400th advance is listed
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    1. +1
      2 October 2017 12: 34
      You have been given an American understanding of the relations between Moscow and Ankara, it is outrageous - but it exists and works. Everyone can see that Putin is playing a delicate AND SUCCESSFUL political and military game in the region that is very important for the Atlantists, but they still cannot solve it. I have, to be honest, too, although I see the TEMPORARY benefit of this game for Great Russia. Now the main thing is to frustrate the REAL plans of the United States to foment war in Europe from Norway to Turkey, to “stir up” relations within NATO, to complicate interethnic and interfaith relations of STRONG diasporas in a number of European countries. To solve a specific problem, at least for the temporary normalization of a number of conflicts in the Middle East region. And another aspect is Egyptian, I am sure that by changing the position of Egypt in relation to Assad and his regime, Russia will significantly strengthen its position and influence IN THE BIG AND RICH ARAB WORLD.
    2. 0
      2 October 2017 12: 39
      I am very respectful as a person, as a citizen of the State of Israel. But I also understand that Israel does not have a more ally in the region than the United States. Therefore, in the Middle East Russia has to be careful today, taking into account the interests of the State of Israel. KS2000
  10. -1
    2 October 2017 12: 58
    Need to finish off the Turks, they are still weak, but how they get to their feet and again a knife in the back
    1. 0
      2 October 2017 14: 19
      Everything is correct, it is necessary to finish off and it’s not at all clear what we all are talking about with the Turks, driving them up with our resorts
  11. 0
    2 October 2017 13: 16
    Quote: BRONEVIK
    How can one trust an eastern despot who has once stabbed Russia in the back?

    Just do not impose American standards of democracy here. If the state was "stabbed in the back," then some people did not care about protecting their backs. You can warn him of an incomplete official.
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  13. 0
    2 October 2017 13: 38
    "Four zones of de-escalation ..." ... mmm ... what does that mean? Is Syrian troops barred there? That is, are these future enclaves (Turkoman and others) free from the jurisdiction of the Syrian government? Territories to be separated from Syria?
  14. 0
    2 October 2017 16: 34
    I don’t understand how such a small back can withstand so many knives? Is it all that little?
  15. 0
    2 October 2017 19: 22
    Putin and Ertogan act very wisely. Yes! There was a confrontation between Russia and Turkey because of a downed plane, because of a killed ambassador, but ... Let's look deeper. If the strained relations between Russia and Turkey continue to continue, this will be in the hands of America. Russia is interested in splitting NATO. After all, Turkey is a member of NATO and is the largest Muslim country. Its geopolitical location is very beneficial for the control of all Central Asian countries. Turkey made peace with Iran thanks to Putin. It is very annoying to America. It annoys her that now the war in Syria will end and they will have to get out of there. Yes. Russia in the 70s was for the creation of Kurdistan, but now it is against it, because America wants this now, and for the most part, the Kurds are fighting in Syria against Assad, on the side of the Islamic State and America supports them. Therefore, Russia has changed its point of view on Kurdistan. Because of this, America is grinding its teeth with Israel.
  16. +15
    3 October 2017 14: 27
    Illustration of the intensified Islamization of Russia
    It is in vain
    Chipping off a NATO member (with the permission of the alliance) is nothing
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      3 October 2017 17: 41
      Quote: gregpiev
      I read a certain info here +, -.
      And comments. I give some dahans so that people understand what they are talking about and it doesn’t look ridiculous.

      The first one. Theater of war. This is not a baked desert as the Russians paint it for themselves.
      This is sometimes a less hobbled place with hills from 9 to 30 meters with brown earth, mixed with white stones and most of it well absorbing water. To the east, it is more clayey and there the streams are insignificant in summer and full-flowing in winter turn into wadi.
      To the west, non-population is mountainous in height from 100 to 300 meters. With wide valleys and plenty of water.
      It is already winter. The first rains have already passed. The grass, bushes, sparse trees and small groves that had withered by this time began to turn green quickly.
      Light at 7, Dark at 19.00. Twilight half an hour. In the "desert" that is, in the east, at night it is already 10 degrees. Happy to 30.
      Therefore, there is no pillar of dust from transport. There are many low clouds in the sky. The moon is weak. Nichrome is not visible.

      The second one. There is practically no distinctive form. For cameras only. So not only can not be distinguished from each other, but also from civilians.

      The third. The language differs in dialects often very much. Kurdish is completely different. But it is full of those who can speak as they should in every place.

      Fourth. Population. There are no such Syrians. In the west, mainly Druze, Christians (and even up to 30 denominations), along the sea of ​​Alava. Large enclaves of suns and shia.
      The farther east it is mostly suns. But this is not a single group. The Sunns, the conditionally large enclave of Alepo (Aleppo) are one thing and they mostly relate to jabah.
      They have large enclaves in Damashek, and in the south, along with others. They have always been hostile to the state (you can call them local Irish).
      The Suns of the northeast are ethnically different and they are part of those Shots of the Chots living in northern Iraq.
      In the south, along the border with Jordan, these are Bedouins, another people. You can still continue. They NEVER were friendly with each other. All these high-profile Islamic names cover up ethnic conflict.
      They just lag behind in development and they did not have a separation of politics and other things from religion.

      Army. Assad from once 350 thousand according to various sources left 25 thousand fighters. The level of commanders of all units is extremely low. They do not know how to conduct a comprehensive battle. There are some small elite units, but the bulk are poor. Consisting mainly of Alavas and Druze with a small number of Christians and Circassians, they have no motivation to fight for "great Syria."
      Hezbola - Shiites up to 5 thousand. Once upon a time were elite units. Lost their full staff and consist of poorly trained unmotivated mercenaries.
      Shiites of Iraq and Afghanistan - 7 thousand. What has been said about the current state of hizbola is fully consistent with them.
      Russian - 5 thousand forces "Wagner", 2 thousand - Ingush battalions.
      Due to the high deterioration and relative paucity, Russian aviation is not able to withstand the high pace of fighting and in cases of aggravation, the Russians have to drive bombers and shoot missiles for thousands of kilometers.
      Suns up to 100 thousand. But they are fragmented and their actions are usually not coordinated. And often they are at war with each other.
      Kurds. In Iraqi Kurdistan up to 100 thousand. In Syrian, at least 50 thousand. There is a large enclave in the north and in Turkey.
      Well trained and motivated. There are no signs of fatigue.

      Iraqi Kurdistan. Up to 15ml. dollars revenue from the sale of oil and gas through Turkey. The Turks entered into a set of treaties where the deadline is specified until 2065 and will not break it.
      Turks invested well in Iraqi Kurdistan. The main customer of Turkey’s construction industry is Iraqi Kurdistan. Turkish economy is balancing.
      The same can be said of Iran. Shiites of Iraq remained. Their army is much weaker. The Kurds sharply eased the pressure on ISIS and they resumed their actions against the Shia of Iraq and captured Ramadi and move towards Mosul.
      Russians and Americans, although they formally stated their disagreement, de facto fully support the Kurds, they only ask to do it gradually.
      The Russians have now signed an agreement on the development of Kirkuk’s oil with the Kurds of Iraq and have already invested a billion.
      My opinion. The Kurds' capture of the oil fields of Dit az Zohar, and not by the Shiites of Iraq, completely suits the Russians.

      I wrote a whole lecture here, but in reality there is very little.
      But I hope you read, you will begin to discuss the subject more realistically.

      And where did you dig this nonsense? She, in addition to laughter, does not cause any other emotions.