If necessary, the ethics commission will consider the conflict between Poklonskaya and deputies

In the event of receipt of a complaint by one of the parties to the conflict that occurred between deputies from United Russia (EP) Irina Rodnina and Natalya Poklonskaya (the former prosecutor of Crimea), the State Duma ethics commission will consider such an appeal, reports RIA News Statement by the Chairman of the Otari Arshba Commission.

In August, the Govorit Moskvy radio station reported that the “ER” deputy Irina Rodnina in her Instagram account published a screenshot of the discussion with Poklonskaya, where the ex-prosecutor of Crimea criticized Rodnina’s position on Nicholas II’s contribution to history Russia.
At the same time, Rodnina advised “the new citizen of the Russian Federation not to confuse respect for the traditions and history of our country with the attuned fanaticism towards a person who is recognized by the church as a martyr, and not as a saint”.

On Friday, Poklonskaya commented on the words of the chairman of the State Duma Committee on Culture, director Stanislav Govorukhin, who spoke earlier positively about the film directed by Alexei Teacher "Matilda" after watching it. She said that representatives of all the Duma factions agreed to re-send the request to the Prosecutor General’s Office with a request to ban the film, as they “hear the opinion of 100 of thousands of Russian citizens” who had previously joined the request of Poklonskaya to ban the film. The former prosecutor will take such actions, despite the words of Govorukhin that 100, thousands of Russian citizens, “is not the number of people who will be listened to.”

Yesterday, the Communist Party deputy Alexander Yushchenko wrote on Facebook, referring to Poklonskaya that “the right to learn to live a large country must be earned.” He asked Poklonskaya to stop “teaching Russian citizens,” since she did not live long enough in Russia and did not know the country.

Today, deputy Poklonskaya replied to Yushchenko, writing that she was offended “for fellow countrymen from her native Crimea and Donbass”, who are former citizens of Ukraine and, according to “Yushchenko’s theory, should keep quiet in the“ rag ”while the citizens“ with experience ”will teach them how "right" to love the motherland. "

When someone declares, we do not violate any law, if someone complains, we consider

Arshba said, answering the question whether the commission should take any action in the context of this conflict.

Comments

[Zibelew]

Poklonskaya thoroughly discredited herself ... When she went to the Immortal Regiment with Nikolashka it was the first call. Now she carries such a heresy that there are doubts about her mental health. She can finally lose the respect of many more people.

[Say]

The whole thought itself has thoroughly discredited itself ...
...and how long.

[Shurik70]

Okay there deputies. All sorts of personalities get there. But I always thought that who is who, and the senior prosecutor cannot be a fool by definition.
And now he began to doubt. How did she even get such a position?

[Zibelew]

Quote: Shurik70

who is who, and the Attorney General cannot be a fool by definition. And now he has begun to doubt. How did she get to such a position

Learn the materiel. The prosecutor general in Russia is alone. This position since 2006 is occupied by Yuri Chaika. And since 1991 in Russia there have been five general prosecutors

[Shurik70]

Quote: Zibelew

Attorney General in Russia alone

Already fixed :)

[Ragnar Lodbrok]

Quote: Shurik70

How did she even get such a position?

And remember the Crimea for 14 years. Then no one knew about the present Crimean Khan! Only he pulls his position, and she is not there or there.
They just ended up at the right time in the right place.

[Thrall]

People’s choice between squabbles and people have no time to think ...

[Inok10]

Quote: Thrall

People’s choice between squabbles and people have no time to think ...

... in a particular case, these are not people's deputies ... they are just two "full-fledged" ones, based on the above:

And yesterday, Communist Party deputy Alexander Yushchenko wrote on Facebook, addressing Poklonskaya, that "the right to learn to live in a big country must be earned." He asked Poklonskaya to stop “teaching Russian citizens,” since she did not live long enough in Russia and does not know the country.

... i.e first and second class citizens appeared in the Russian Federation? ... the second grade includes everyone who moved under the resettlement program of compatriots and all Crimean citizens 2,34 million citizens of the Russian Federation? ... that is, frank Svidomo performed by two individuals who are not very gifted with knowledge of the legislation ... Yushchenko and Rodnina .... they must be driven out of fractions with a pissed rag after such a thing and start the SK ... of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation

Criminal Code> Section VII of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. CRIMES AGAINST PERSONALITY> Chapter 19 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. CRIMES AGAINST CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS OF HUMAN AND CITIZEN> Article 136. Violation of equality of human and civil rights and freedoms
Discrimination, i.e. violation of the rights, freedoms and legitimate interests of a person and a citizen depending on his sex, race, nationality, language, origin, property and official position, place of residence, religion, beliefs, membership in public associations or any social groups committed by a person using his official position, -
shall be punishable by a fine in the amount of one hundred thousand to three hundred thousand rubles, or in the amount of the convict's wages or other income for a period of one year to two years, or by deprivation of the right to occupy certain positions or engage in certain activities for a term of up to five years, or compulsory work for a term up to four hundred eighty hours, either by corrective labor for a term of up to two years, or forced labor for a term of up to five years, or by imprisonment for the same term.

... up to 5 years imprisonment, for such evictions ... this is already Criminal offenseand not the DG Ethics Commission ...

[Nicholas C.]

The piquancy of the situation is that Govorukhin is the co-chair of the Central Front of the ONF and the head of Putin’s election headquarters. A person at such posts says that 100 thousand people is not the amount that he will listen. Campaign, he is already in heaven.

Quote: Inok10

Communist Party deputy Alexander Yushchenko wrote on Facebook, addressing Poklonskaya, that “the right to learn to live in a big country must be earned”

Kunstkamera. Who in 1991 betrayed (and some even sold) a really big country? Communists? Any other answers? The answer is that five people did this in the Politburo, and the remaining 18 million at that time were on the Moon, not to offer. And now, the communist Yushchenko of the Hero of the Russian Spring devoted to him wants to deprive him of the right to vote, using demagogy about citizens of various kinds. In my opinion, disgusting.
Rodnina. Such a Rodnina. An apple doesn’t fall far from an apple tree, right? Rodnina's daughter is a US citizen. And what a citizen:

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Nikolai S.

The Cabinet of Curiosities.

Yeah, everything is according to Klimov ....

[albert]

Quote: Nikolai S.

then in 1991 betrayed (and some others sold) a really big country? Communists? Any other answers?

You can, of course, shoot all those who were communists and did nothing to save the country. BUT! In this case, all our government will have to be shot. ZY. I myself am a communist.

[Inok10]

Quote: Nikolai S.

The piquancy of the situation is that Govorukhin is the co-chair of the Central Front of the ONF and the head of Putin’s election headquarters.

... I would be happy to support you ... but the reality is that V.V. Putin did not run for the next election, and therefore does not have an election headquarters and its leader ... such is the reality at the moment ...

Quote: Nikolai S.

A person at such posts says that 100 thousand people is not the amount that he will listen. Campaign, he is already in heaven.

... you should not pull an owl on the globe - about the posts held by Mr. Govorukhin (see above), but the possibility of "hedgehacking" is just the highest at his age ... which, apparently, he demonstrated ...

Quote: Nikolai S.

The Cabinet of Curiosities.

... set out above indicating the article of the Criminal Code ...

Quote: Nikolai S.

Rodnina. Such a Rodnina. An apple doesn’t fall far from an apple tree, right? Rodnina's daughter is a US citizen. And what a citizen:

... I don’t comment here and I don’t advise you to use a sim source of information ... you know, it stinks per kilometer from him ...

[Nicholas C.]

Quote: albert

to shoot all those who were communists and did nothing to save the country. BUT! In this case, all our government will have to be shot. ZY. I myself am a communist

There are already those in the government who were then small in age.

Quote: Inok10

Vladimir Putin did not nominate for the next election, and accordingly does not have an election headquarters and its head

Everything is fine with my memory. Therefore, I remember that Govorukhin is the head of Putin’s campaign headquarters in the last election. I think that everyone in politics remembers this. Putin has no other campaign headquarters yet.

Quote: Inok10

Rodnina's daughter is a US citizen. And what a citizen:
... I don’t comment here and I don’t advise you to use a sim source of information ... you know, it stinks from him

The news that the daughter of Irina Rodnina, a U.S. citizen Alyona Minkovskaya received an LGBT prize in the U.S., the entire Internet is full. We start the search and select the sources to our taste and smell. News for three years now. The merit of the Echo of Moscow here is only in that it presented this news in the form of the most compact picture. Is there any objection to the veracity of this information?

[wax]

In fact, Poklonskaya not only does not know the history of Russia and the USSR, but generally has a cook's education: a high school in Yevpatoriya and there she was educated by the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine.
Well, if you like to delve into the genealogy, then look at it from the side of Poklonskaya, it is also very curious there.

[Inok10]

Quote: Nikolai S.

Everything is fine with my memory.

... I doubt ... since you confuse the Present and the Past ...

Quote: Nikolai S.

Therefore, I remember that Govorukhin is the head of Putin’s campaign headquarters in the last election.

... and, here is the confirmation ... of the past, this is the past tense and it was a long time ago ...

Quote: Nikolai S.

I think that everyone in politics remembers this. Putin has no other campaign headquarters yet.

... V.V. Putin doesn’t have an election headquarters at all ... I repeat, he didn’t run for the presidential election in Russia in 2018 ... therefore there isn’t any election headquarters and there is no head ... do not try "fasten" the saddle, the cow ...

Quote: Nikolai S.

The news that the daughter of Irina Rodnina, a U.S. citizen Alyona Minkovskaya received an LGBT prize in the U.S., the entire Internet is full.

... The Internet is a lot of stuff and this is not a reason ... all the more so we discuss specific words, specific "deputies", and not their family, personal life, do not become like not qualified trolls who discuss personalities ...

[Nicholas C.]

Quote: Inok10

don't be like unskilled trolls who discuss personalities ...

1. In truth, the theme of Govorukhin SS is similar to trolling. - The head of the campaign headquarters of Putin V.V. in the 2012 election. So long ago, so long ago ... Co-Chair of the Central Headquarters of the All-Russian Popular Front (ONF) Govorukhin SS is still: http://onf.ru/structure/rukovodstvo-0/ ONF leader - V.V. Putin http://onf.ru/leader/ I understand that by the statement that 100 thousand people is not the amount that they will listen to, Govorukhin exposed himself and everyone who is next to him in an unsightly form. I think they will draw conclusions.
2. The "politicians" publicly trying to humiliate Poklonskaya went personal. Pay them back with the same coin adequately, appropriately and fairly. But there are those who call the hero of the Russian Spring a Ukrainian. There is no limit to human abomination.

And since you are such a moralist, then comment on the following: “Crimean prosecutor: I was deprived of citizenship when I opposed Matilda,” “Crimean ex-prosecutor confirmed deprivation of citizenship because of Matilda” - https://vz.ru /news/2017/9/29/889078.html
How are you with SUCH morality? The prosecutor, also a hero of the Russian Spring, even before Matilda received a rental certificate, warns about showing the trailer for Matilda - he is deprived of Russian citizenship for this and dismissed from the prosecutor's office. This is worse than Govorukhin’s statement. Explain that since you understand all this so well. How can this even be.

[Inok10]

Quote: Nikolai S.

And since you are such a moralist, then comment on the following: “Crimean prosecutor: I was deprived of citizenship when I opposed Matilda,” “Crimean ex-prosecutor confirmed deprivation of citizenship because of Matilda” - https://vz.ru /news/2017/9/29/889078.html

... cheap stuffing ... since when did the deputy prosecutor of Sevastopol suddenly suddenly grow up to the prosecutor of Crimea? ...

Moscow. September 29th. INTERFAX.RU - Former Deputy Prosecutor of Simferopol Alexander Shkitov confirmed information about his dismissal from work and deprivation of Russian citizenship, but did not give a reason.

... that's all ... Source: http: //www.interfax.ru/russia/581184 ...
P.S. ... oh, how interesting it is ... just for the person of Mr. Shkitov ... quote from that interview:

Shkitov said that several years ago he was deprived of citizenship of Ukraine. "President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych has stripped citizenship of all prosecutors and judges who have remained to work for Russia. (...) This decision was posted on the Internet. In 2014," said the former prosecutor.

... ... Yanukovych, by the time when former employees of the prosecutor's office for the Republic of Ukraine of Ukraine "remained" to work for Russia ... he had already been in Rostov for several months already! ... he couldn’t deprive anyone of anything by any decree ... such a chic Boyan was thrown by Svidomo to us ...

[Nicholas C.]

Quote: Inok10

cheap stuffing ... since when did the deputy prosecutor of Sevastopol suddenly suddenly grow up to the prosecutor of Crimea?

Disappointed. Spend so much effort on idle chatter that Govorukhin is no longer the head of the election headquarters, and it’s cheap to destroy his image. In the headings of the articles, people are called Crimean prosecutors, not Crimean prosecutors. In theory, you should have understood the difference, but for some reason it turned out to be too much for you. Moreover, these links explain in detail who, what and how.
Yes, and your moral character became clear after you had fun that the hero of the Russian Spring was deprived of Russian citizenship and, apparently, would be extradited to Ukraine, where he would be sent to prison for many years or immediately killed without trial, as they do with the Russians.

[Inok10]

Quote: Nikolai S.

Disappointed.

... you ... too mediocre ...

Quote: Nikolai S.

Spend so much effort on idle chatter that Govorukhin is no longer the head of the election headquarters, and it’s cheap to destroy his image.

... oh, they have already switched over as a low-skilled troll to my person-personality ... expectedly ... once again for the especially "gifted" ... V.V. Putin does not have an election headquarters, you had a false start ...

Quote: Nikolai S.

In the headings of the articles, people are called Crimean prosecutors, not Crimean prosecutors.

... no, it’s you who called them Crimean prosecutors ...

Quote: Nikolai S.

And since you are such a moralist, then comment on the following: “Crimean prosecutor: I was deprived of citizenship when I opposed Matilda,” “Crimean ex-prosecutor confirmed deprivation of citizenship because of Matilda” - https://vz.ru /news/2017/9/29/889078.html

... this is your ... do not let yourself go ...

Quote: Nikolai S.

In theory, you should have understood the difference, but for some reason it turned out to be too much for you. Moreover, these links explain in detail who, what and how.

... above from the quotes it is already clear who and what does not understand ...

Quote: Nikolai S.

Yes, and your moral character became clear after you had fun that the hero of the Russian Spring was deprived of Russian citizenship and, apparently, would be extradited to Ukraine, where he would be sent to prison for many years or immediately killed without trial, as they do with the Russians.

... it was Yanukovych who was deprived of his citizenship, who by that time had already deprived Turchynov and BP of Ukraine of all their rights? ... follow the dates:
- February 22, 2014 "Announcement by the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine on the self-removal from power of President Viktor Yanukovych
The Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine adopted a resolution on the self-removal of President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych from fulfilling constitutional duties and scheduled early elections for the head of state.
The Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine announced the removal of President Viktor Yanukovych from power, on the basis that the president, in the opinion of the Verkhovna Rada, unconstitutionally refused to exercise his powers. "- UPS number 1
- March 16, 2014 in the Crimea and Sevastopol, a referendum was held. According to officially published data, in the Autonomous Republic of Crimea 96,77% of voters voted for the first ballot item - “For the reunification of Crimea with Russia as a subject of the Russian Federation”, in Sevastopol - 95,6%. The turnout for the referendum in Crimea and Sevastopol was 83,1 and 89,5%, respectively.
- March 18, 2014 “In accordance with Article 6 of the Federal Constitutional Law“ On the Procedure for Adopting and Forming a New Subject of the Russian Federation into the Russian Federation ”, Russian President Vladimir Putin notified the Council of the Federation of the Federal Assembly, the State Duma of the Federal Assembly and the Government of the proposals of the State Council of the Republic of Crimea - the Parliament of the Republic of Crimea and the Legislative Assembly of the city of Sevastopol on the admission to the Russian Federation of the Republic of Crimea, including the city of Sevastopol, and the formation of new entities in the Russian Federation. " - UPS number 2
... Yanukovych, was still deprived of all authority on February 22, and Crimea and Sevastopol became part of the Russian Federation only on March 18 ... and he himself was in Russia, specifically in Rostov, as early as a month with a tail! ... and, accordingly, he could not deprive anyone of any citizenship ...

[LPD17]

... what disgusting faces ...

[Scoun]

Quote: Nikolai S.

Who allocated one billion + state rubles for the filming of the unprofitable Russophobian film "Wikig"? Do not be surprised that the loudest screaming is the one with the snout in fluff. It allocates money for the cinema from the pocket of the state (i.e., as it were ours with you)

+++ sorry can not put a dozen pluses.
The situation is generally absurd! 28 Panfilovtsev, starred on folk money, and any nonsense that does not fight off at the box office, is funded from the State budget with some money from our state budget, and then we go and watch this low-grade nonsense.
The dominance of certain families with a non-traditional orientation, who carry their illness from the stage and the cinema ... is freezing.
One scarecrow what is it worth? Like an old woman, beautiful .... she marries young blue ones, PR and the theme of a surrogate "motherhood" for rear-wheel drive has broken through.
Ugh on them all!
Then we are surprised at the fact that this or that actor or artist begins to drive a Russophobian wave ...
All these Makarechichi, Maksakovs and other guano.

[bashkir]

Viking does not like the film because it does not meet the aspirations of people patriotically directed. In it, the prince does not look like the patriarch of Orthodoxy. Do you know why? Because he was not. He was the leader of his people. He was a man of his era: bloody and dirty. And who was expecting beautiful chambers and light-like knights from the film, plus he experienced exceptionally bright deeds from the hero .... He felt sorry. This is clear. But. The film was created with a claim to historicity. But here you still need to ask specialists

[the lord]

Here the absence of specialists on the schematics is proved by the name itself - "Viking"

[Nitochkin]

Who said that era was bloody and dirty? Maybe they want to make her like that?
Here is one of the adequate reviews for this movie:
www.kinopoisk.ru/user/5447466/comment/2489348/

[4thParasinok]

Quote: Bashkir

Viking does not like the film because it does not meet the aspirations of people patriotically directed. In it, the prince does not look like the patriarch of Orthodoxy. Do you know why? Because he was not. He was the leader of his people. He was a man of his era: bloody and dirty. And who was expecting beautiful chambers and light-like knights from the film, plus he experienced exceptionally bright deeds from the hero .... He felt sorry. This is clear. But. The film was created with a claim to historicity. But here you still need to ask specialists

here's an explanation of specialists (historians) about the film:

and the film is just a turd with a zakos under the story and with a bunch of obvious lies. But Vladimir is the Holy Equal-to-the-Apostles, and not the Pleasure of God, and therefore no one considers him white and fluffy, this is your opinion and you should not impose it on others.

[bashkir]

I do not impose my opinion, but only express my opinion. This time. The fact that Vladimir has the status of the Holy Equal-to-the-Apostles really makes him a man who contributed to the conversion of the Russian people to the Christian faith. These are two. He is not the pleaser of God. Here, all people who are educated or read about that era agree. These are three. But the vast majority of people do not know the story. These are four. Many wanted a beautiful picture. It's five. But the prose of life is always simpler and not so "colorful" as the director wanted to show. This is six. The dissonance between the expectations of the audience from the film and the film itself led to discontent. I tried to explain it.

[bashkir]

What is the attempt to denigrate all people indiscriminately?

[Fedorov]

So what to do now? Wet the above, or bring up children?

[Fitter65]

Quote: Nikolai S.

sacrilege over Russian saints,

I don’t even have the right to think about Russian saints. But Tsar Nicholas II, he died a martyr’s death, but he’s not a saint, his life path can’t be called holy, Khodynka alone and bloody Sunday are already worth something. the fact that in a difficult year he threw the country to be torn to pieces, after which it was mired in the turmoil of the civil war, during which many thousands of his former subjects died a martyr's death, but they were not canonized, and no one remembers them ...

[4thParasinok]

Quote: Fitter65

I don’t even have the right to think about Russian saints. But Tsar Nicholas II, he died a martyr’s death, but he’s not a saint, his life’s path can’t be called a saint, alone

ask first the gist of the question, and then speak. First take an interest in how the Holy Patron differs from the Holy Enlightener, Martyr, or Passion-Bearer. But there are also other “varieties” of holiness ... Nicholas II is a martyr, not a saint. And if you don’t know this and write, then you’re just a nonsense, and if you know, then you’re just an ordinary provocateur.
This is not an attempt to insult, it is just a hint for the future, how you will be perceived by those reading your topics.

[Evgeniy667b]

Already got Natalia Vladimirovna! She has her own opinion regarding Nicholas 2, who is ill from this ?. It seems to the deputies in the Duma that they really have nothing to do.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Evgeniy667b

It seems to the deputies in the Duma that they really have nothing to do.

it's about Natalya Vladimirovna

[LSA57]

Quote: Shurik70

How did she even get such a position?

then in the Crimea all the men refused, and she agreed

[Gardamir]

then in the Crimea all the men refused, and she agreed

repeating someone else’s lie, you lie.

[igor1981]

Quote: Shurik70

And now he began to doubt. How did she even get such a position?

That you are directly attached to her. And I still like her. That's something, but you can never say about her - "Without a king in my head"

[Alf]

Quote: igor1981

That's something, but you can never say about her - "Without a king in my head"

Unfortunately, there is just too much king in her head.

[cniza]

When an immature person falls above his understanding, what always happens with Poklonskaya is that the person is out of place.

[sogdy]

Quote: cniza

When an immature person gets above his mind

Poklonskaya represents the views (morality) of 20% of the population of the Russian Federation. Moreover, far from the most orthodox.
It is disgusting that precisely these moral views create our respect for the feat. After all, you stood behind the Panfilov’s mountain. The same case: on the basis of two scattered lines in a very unreliable diary, suddenly, exclusively in our time, the yellow press starts to drive the kilk on a signal (payment), and at the same time, a very untrustworthy person makes a “film” with actors of more than freshness about alleged events discrediting the image of the canonical holy martyr imputed by this 20% of the population.
When they tell you that this is a deliberate insult (urinated on the Eternal Flame, yeah, never seen that) - you personally clap your hands.
Doesn’t come to the conclusion that “having surrendered Nikolashka”, you hand over both Panfilov’s and Chelyuskin’s, and then Afghanistan, Chechnya and the rest of the list? Because you no longer have a moral foundation, they let you go to the toilet.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: sogdy

It doesn’t reach that “having surrendered Nikolashka”, you surrender Panfilov’s

does not reach
some defended their homeland, the second betrayed her

[Inok10]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

does not reach

... and in vain ...

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

some defended their homeland, the second betrayed her

... according to the "Heirs of the Twentieth Congress of the CPSU" ... You have been fed the communists from the shovel of m ... with such a "movie masterpiece" as "The Death of Stalin", and you are glad to swallow and choke ... silently though ... according to keep silent for Nicholas II ... do not bother Normal people to defend their history and yours including ... we will defend both Nicholas II and Ivan the Terrible and Stalin and the whole indivisible history of Russia ...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Inok10

do not interfere with normal people to protect their history and yours including

the defense of history has nothing to do with Matilda
but generally funny spotted Judas, and Nikoloshak a dick, and how are they different, both betrayed the Country and the People

[Inok10]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

but generally funny spotted Judas, and Nikoloshak a dick, and how are they different, both betrayed the Country and the People

... but why didn’t his "Flaming Communists" and "Honor and Conscience of the Soviet People", like Nicholas II, together with his wife and young children, let them go? ... Bullseye, it’s not far from Yablonka, it’s about the “tagged” and the Communist Party ... the discussion is over, to talk about the “speeches” of some “deputies” who are not at all deputies in fact and are illiterate in the current legislation, running into to the article of the Criminal Code ...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

I don’t understand anything

[Inok10]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

the defense of history has nothing to do with Matilda

... direct ... pornography is also filmed in a highly artistic style, but it remains essentially pornography ... it’s important not how it is shot, but WHAT filmed ... the same "Death of Stalin", the same "Hostages" ... pornography at the cinema ... and I'm not going to go, as many suggest ... for my money to make sure that I was fed "... .. "and so I know that this is" .... ", and not a movie ... which I also wish for everyone to vote in rubles and feet ...

[the lord]

In pornography, the emphasis is not on the plot, but on the direct sexual intercourse with a detailed display of technical aspects. Everything else relates to erotica. I do not think that “Matilda” showed anything pretty that would distinguish it from the main mass of films with bed scenes. Is it jarring about the fact that about a young nicholas they take off as about a passionate lover? Why do you refuse him this? Leave this miserable male at least. And be thankful that somewhere in a thread in young Europe they did not start making a film about his relative, transferred to Moscow, away from sovereign eyes, for adventures with young officers

[Evgeniy667b]

I do not think, that Nikolai was not a paid agent, like a bear-labeled. All his misfortune is that he was born an heir to the royal family. Ruling a country is not its purpose. When you grind your boots, a cake is taken, you yourself know what happens. Hence the stupidity that our last monarch did, he is just a weak man. That ride on the "Standard", dress in different uniforms is his, to manage Russia, no! But this is our story, and Poklonskaya has the right to have her own opinion that she should be condemned for it!

[sogdy]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

some defended their homeland, the second betrayed her

Of course, I already realized that you taught history from comics. It remains only to understand where.
Under Nicholas II, the Cabinet ruled by Konstantin.
The cabinet allowed (alas, such is the turn of speech) a meeting of the Duma, which in turn presented a demand for renunciation. So much for parliamentary democracy in action. And according to the laws in force (issued by the Cabinet and the Duma), the Emperor was obliged to abdicate - in fact, they fired him.
So the headquarters, the Duma led by Kerensky — these are the traitors, by the way, quite consciously.
And the country refused to obey the traitors - this was the reason for the period of anarchy.

Are you by any chance not from Volgograd? And then a very familiar style and pressure.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: sogdy

Of course, I already realized that you taught history from comics. It remains only to understand where.

Well, based on your statements, you studied it no better
On September 5, 1915, Nicholas II assumed the title of Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Army, replacing Grand Duke Nikolai Nikolayevich at this post.
he stood at the head of the army during the war and he betrayed his army

Quote: sogdy

Are you by any chance not from Volgograd? And then a very familiar style and pressure.

still no

[sogdy]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

Well, based on your statements, you studied it no better
September 5, 1915 Nicholas II assumes the title of Supreme Commander of the Russian Army,

Funny, and how does this contradict the above?

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

still no

That's good.

[Weyland]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

the second betrayed her

A valid nonsense! Who betrayed whom ?! These are subjects betrayed him!

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Weyland

It was his subjects who betrayed him!

yeah
So are the subjects abdicated? !!
who prevented him from saying NO?
who prevented him from raising the army? !!!!

[Weyland]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

who prevented him from raising the army? !!!!

all (except one) commanders who betrayed him fronts!

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

when you do not want to do you will find a thousand twigs
by the way, many divisions remained loyal to him until the end
the problem is not in the commanders, but in Nikolai himself

[Alf]

Quote: sogdy

Doesn’t come to the conclusion that “having surrendered Nikolashka”, you hand over both Panfilov’s and Chelyuskin’s, and then Afghanistan, Chechnya and the rest of the list? Because you no longer have a moral foundation, they let you go to the toilet.

All piled in one pile. And bandits and patriots.

[4thParasinok]

Quote: Alf

All piled in one pile. And bandits and patriots.

and where are the bandits in this list, please underline, otherwise the people are at a loss for your pearls.

[Alf]

Quote: 4-th Paradise

Quote: Alf

All piled in one pile. And bandits and patriots.

and where are the bandits in this list, please underline, otherwise the people are at a loss for your pearls.

For all the people, do not speak. And who is Nicholas? A hero? Or a deserter?

[sogdy]

Quote: Alf

who is nikolashka? A hero? Or a deserter?

This is a man who has been suspended from his duties by the "democratic community" represented by the Duma of that time. These were the laws of the notorious Autocracy. Paradoxically, huh?

[Alf]

Quote: sogdy

Paradoxically, huh?

Just no. Itself brought his country to such a state that no one stood up for it.

[sogdy]

Quote: Alf

Itself brought his country to such a state that no one stood up for it.

Well, Patchima je? Wishing was beyond measure. Nikolai made a "farewell gift" - he did not give them any reason to "intervene."

[4thParasinok]

Quote: Alf

And who is Nicholas? A hero? Or a deserter?

1. So mentioning you need to write alfashka?
2. Prove that Nicholas II was involved in banditry using court decisions. Otherwise, you are engaged in slander, but this is a crime, like banditry ...

Quote: Alf

Just no. Itself brought his country to such a state that no one stood up for it

Teach history and not only from Soviet textbooks for high school. And mind you, I do not claim that Nicholas II was a good ruler, I say that there are many other objective reasons. To understand, begin the study of history from the first Romanov, with the activities of England outside the state, in particular the assassination of Alexander II, Franz Ferdinant, Rasputin. Their participation in the financing of the Communists and Hitler. The activities of Masons in Russia, starting with Catherine II and ending with the Provisional Government.
That's when you study, then there will be something to talk about with you, I hope.

[sogdy]

Quote: Alf

All piled in one pile. And bandits and patriots.

Taki did not understand about the "bandits."

[urganov]

In the garden of elderberry, in Kiev, uncle ...
All in one pile gathered. Clapping your hands in person? And do you have something against the Panfilovites?
And let me ask you, what does "Nikolashka" have to do with this character of the history of the Russian state

Quote: sogdy

Do you turn in both Panfilov’s and Chelyuskin’s, and then Afghanistan, Chechnya and the rest of the list?

Quote: sogdy

For you have no moral foundation

Have you arrogated the right to be a moral judge? Fair-faced you our ....

[sogdy]

Quote: urganov

Have you arrogated the right to be a moral judge?

Morality - it is such a thing, it either is - or it is not. And it still requires the basics. This is the structure of society. Anyone.

[4thParasinok]

Are you in your place, peeing on the forum?

I'm not for Poklonskaya, I'm for the truth.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Sige

The whole thought itself has thoroughly discredited itself ...

Reality show some. They have no other concerns there?

[23424636]

Rodnina is a well-known seven-year-old and there is no need to dissemble, knowing how this nation was killing the royal family. So Poklonskaya defended the Tsar and his family, numbered among the saints of the Russian Orthodox Church in 98. Patriarch Kirill should have done this, but he entrusted this to the deputy head of the department for church relations, which simply mumbled something, which gave rise to all kinds of insinuations and games with the person who headed the Russian Orthodox Church until the overthrow for many years.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: 23424636

Rodnina famous seven

sorry who ?????

[Alf]

Quote: 23424636

Tsar and his family, numbered among the saints of the Russian Orthodox Church in 98.

So, maybe you briefly and clearly explain to us why the Russian Orthodox Church made St. Nicholas holy, since he himself

Quote: 23424636

Патриарх Кирилл

could not do this?

[sogdy]

Quote: Alf

So, maybe you briefly and clearly explain to us why the ROC made St. Nicholas holy,

As already explained (see below) - this is the business of the Church, and is not subject to our discussion.
Her, ano kaneshno, you can enter the Synod (having gained the appropriate rank) and express your (and ours) perplexity. I just suppose you will know for certain reasons why this is so, and not otherwise.

[Alf]

Quote: sogdy

As already explained (see below) - this is the business of the Church, and is not subject to our discussion.

The church can explain, and does not hide it, the holiness of all its saints, except Nikolashka. I wonder why ?

[sogdy]

Quote: Alf

and does not hide it, the holiness of all his saints, except Nikolashka.

Does it hide? Well, unless from you ... Which testifies not in your favor.

[Vladimirets]

Quote: Zibelew

Poklonskaya thoroughly discredited himself ...

Natasha was tortured by romance; she reminds me of Strelkov.

[cniza]

This is more like immaturity.

[vovanpain]

Quote: Vladimirets

Natasha tortured romance

This is Eugene is not romance This is idolatry unfortunately. The Bible says: “Do not make yourself an idol.” She created.

Quote: Reserve officer

I am writing with regret. Started very worthy.

Also Alexey. The men refused, she took on this burden. And now ...

[Vladimirets]

Quote: vovanpain

not romance This is idolatry unfortunately. The Bible says: “Do not make yourself an idol.” She created.

This is all one chain: a romantic poppycock about the White Guard, the Russian Empire, the Tsar, etc. At a certain point, all this began to break away from reality.

[vovanpain]

Quote: Vladimirets

At a certain point, all this began to break away from reality.

I don't know Eugene But it doesn’t hurt a healthy hobby either. He’ll carry it over to the Immortal Regiment of Nicholas, he will say that he has closed the bust in Crimea. It’s not necessary for deputies, but to a psychotherapist at least.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: vovanpain

and to the therapist

to the psychiatrist

[LiSiCyn]

Exactly ... Notice both monarchists. One for GDP (yet), another against. And if they sell the monarchy, whom on the throne? The romanovs? I, personally, are against

[Reserve officer]

Poklonskaya took off too quickly to the heights of power. The brain is not keeping up with the career.
I am writing with regret. Started very worthy.

[oldseaman1957]

Quote: Reserve officer

I am writing with regret. Started very worthy.

- Yes, everyone regrets! A guy needs a good woman, so that she would dream less of all Honduras and toil with foolishness!

[the lord]

There is perhaps another misfortune. She got married, I don’t know for whom, but along the way the man from the noblemen. So the queen tries for the future of her offspring.

[oldseaman1957]

Quote: znavel

There may be another misfortune ... but along the way the man from the noble.

- I looked through her biography now. In 2011, there was an attempt on Poklonskaya in a train related to her investigation into work. Consequences - not restored facial expressions. It seems that not only the problems remained outside. It's a pity.

[cniza]

Now, while she can’t take this height, she needs to lower the bar.

[Do not care]

An illustrative example of the Peter Principle is “In the hierarchical system, each individual tends to rise to the level of his incompetence.”

[sogdy]

Quote: Do not care

A prime example of the Peter Principle

Apparently, yes. But here we also have mutual incompetence. Peter does not make out this case, only reporting suspicion of hard times before, as they expressed a little later, "full consensus" with a set of new artists ..

[LSA57]

Quote: Zibelew

Now she carries such a heresy that there are doubts about her mental health.

blame themselves, praised. so she felt like someone

[RASKAT]

The girl has Star Disease. At first she was a freelance prosecutor in the Kiev prosecutor’s office, so corrupt that even Klitschko could not even do anything for the murder of a friend at a party. And here for a couple of years such a dizzying take-off, so it swam, let's carry all the blizzard about religion and ethics. So I played it out.

[oldseaman1957]

Quote: RASKAT

The girl has Star Disease.

- If so, then she would have behaved in a completely different way! It’s just that the woman was too busy with politics, and the body requires a normal sex life. Here she has a roof and went.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Blombir

Even to knock over a hill, the little mind was not enough.

the whole family was there

[tol100v]

Quote: Zibelew

She can finally lose the respect of many more people.

In the wake of star fever, and not so broke! And if it’s easier, it’s not a hat for Senka! Not enough!

[4thParasinok]

Quote: Tol100v

In the wake of star fever, and not so broke! And if it’s easier, it’s not a hat for Senka! Not enough!

here you would be in the deputies, you would be there, and why not coddle ...

[hrych]

Quote: Zibelew

Poklonskaya thoroughly discredited himself ...

As a hero of the Russian Spring and the Liberation of Crimea, she is beyond criticism and already has a place in history. And her preferences are royal on the side, everyone has the right to go crazy in their own way

[iouris]

Mental status is “healthy”. But, here her actions are too similar to subversive activities.

[LiSiCyn]

Perhaps they use it in the dark ... As an agent of influence .. Already very much the monarchists have risen.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: LiSiCyn

Well, very much the monarchists, rose.

and what is wrong with the monarchy can clearly explain?

[LiSiCyn]

But in principle, nothing bad, I do not see. But, I am against the Romanovs. But who would you suggest?

[LiSiCyn]

Again, the current monarchists, for the most part, are nationalists. And with their slogans, they are not capable of promoting unity ....

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: LiSiCyn

But, I am against the Romanovs

Well, these are definitely not in any sauce

Quote: LiSiCyn

But who would you suggest?

and I won’t even say, one thing is for sure, he should have fought from the military

[LiSiCyn]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

from the military

And if from GB? I personally do not mind .. But the receiver, I do not see. If only Shoigu? Che there, at Kozhugetovich with sons? In the 14th, Strelkov would say, now he is not.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: LiSiCyn

And if from GB?

I also relate to the Office

[the lord]

Tell me, do you not confuse the monarchy with, say in Russian, sovereignty? After all, if we are talking about the monarchy, it means that right now you will choose a worthy person, and then he will transfer all this to his heir. Where are the guarantees that this heir has the abilities sufficient for monarchical rule? And if this person is not a monarch, then he transfers his power to a successor, whose election there are many ways, as well as ways to test all potential candidates for the ability to rule. The constitutional monarchy, I believe, is not considered here for the reason why the hare needs a fifth leg.
Personally, in the monarchy, I see the harm in the continuity of power.

[urganov]

Mr. Veliky Novgorod as an example. The rest is even more unacceptable to the Russians. Only power based on election and respect. A sole or no inconsequential. This is already a question of the mechanism of its functioning, that is, a technical question.

[4thParasinok]

Quote: znavel

Personally, in the monarchy, I see the harm in the continuity of power.

lack of succession leads to the fact that the ruler thinks how to fill his machine, so that the grandchildren of the stolen dough got it. The fate of other citizens is not of interest to them.

[the lord]

If you choose from those who simply declared their right to get out on this post, then yes, you can choose this one. But it’s much worse when the forehead is transferred to life forever, and he is a villain worse than parsley of the 3rd. And if you choose from those who previously worked hard on the country, performed worthy deeds and achieved a high position, then among such a rogue and a traitor themselves will unwittingly show themselves and will be deleted from the candidates. Although any election scheme requires a particularly careful attitude on our part.

[Alf]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

Quote: LiSiCyn

Well, very much the monarchists, rose.

and what is wrong with the monarchy can clearly explain?

There is one fundamental flaw. Heir. If the son is intelligent, then there are no problems. And if a spineless rag or idiot was born? Then what to do?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Alf

There is one fundamental flaw. Heir

Well, firstly, the monarchy is not always hereditary
and secondly ...
spotted and drunk were chosen ...

[Alf]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

Well, firstly, the monarchy is not always hereditary

This is where you saw such a monarchy? Heredity is the main idea of ​​the monarchy.

[Weyland]

Quote: Alf

This is where you saw such a monarchy?

In the Roman Empire (if you have heard of such). The emperor usually formally adopted the chosen successor.

[the lord]

Why such a complicated scheme as in Rome? And who accepted the choice of this successor? And how was it with the emperors? Caligula, Nero and the smaller usurpers. But you won’t dismiss ...
And about the spotted front and the drunk, here they were temporary. And they took them off, without waiting for natural reasons. And right now there is a problem with a successor, good. that the ruler, although not an eagle, is a brainless functionary.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: znavel

And they took them off, without waiting for natural reasons.

before they were removed they did such a good thing

[the lord]

Less than they could in their entire lives, which they would rule as monarchs

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Alf

Heredity is the main idea of ​​the monarchy.

who told you this? !!!!
hereditary monarchy is the most common type but not the only one

[4thParasinok]

Quote: Alf

This is where you saw such a monarchy? Heredity is the main idea of ​​the monarchy.

learn materiel, not slogans. In the Byzantine Empire, the emperor himself chose and trained a receiver, not always, but in most cases. It was a state succession law.

[the lord]

Such a monarchy will, as happened in Rome, degenerate into hereditary. Such processes must be considered precisely in the future. Decent rulers will be replaced by villains, who will change both law and laws and do as they want on the right of the arbiter and autocrat. And this cannot be avoided, alas, since monarchs will not be beaten

[urganov]

"This groan is called a song ..."
This is the question of what our elections, spotted and drunk, are like so far.

[rpek32]

I'll just leave it here:

The doctrine of the redeemer king is a belief in the Orthodox community [1] in the special sacred role of the murdered tsar Nicholas II, the sacred meaning of his death and the need for popular repentance for this [2]. Proponents of such views argue that Nicholas II is the king - the atoneer for the sin of the infidelity of his people [3] [4] [5]. The doctrine also has an eschatological side, in particular, it concerns the special role of Russia, the Russian people, and the Russian Tsar Redeemer as the “victorious king” in the future destinies of the world [6] [7] [8] [9] [10].

Distributors of such ideas are very often ultra-conservative Russian nationalists and monarchists. Apologists do not use a generic name, on the other hand, opponents directly refer to this phenomenon as a kingdom [11] [12] [13] or a redemptive heresy [1] [6] [14]. A number of church leaders, in particular the late Daniil Sysoev, note that such views have clear signs of heresy, sectarianism within the church [8] [9] [14] [15] [16] [17] or even a split. [14]

Some of the followers of the kingdom are united in the small non-canonical “Tsarist Orthodox Church” (TOC), which arose in 2008 on the basis of the “Brotherhood of the Redeemer Tsar”, headed by Vadim Kuznetsov. The “Holy Government Synod” of the Church’s Church is headed under the name of Bishop Alexy by the former archpriest of the Russian Orthodox Church Alexander Ivannikov, who was erupted from dignity in 2010 [18].

[4thParasinok]

Quote: rpek32

I'll just leave it here:

do you think of a source of truthful information? Poor Pinocchio ...

[rpek32]

Quote: 4-th Paradise

do you think of a source of truthful information?

Lurkormorie? Are you a chtoli addict? what lurkomorye

[4thParasinok]

Quote: rpek32

Lurkormorie? Are you a chtoli addict? what lurkomorye

not really wikipedia? and yet the last third is clearly from the arms of the strybrin. I did not know that Wiki began to engage in plagiarism

[Nonna]

Zibelew. Marked first inadequate comment. I don’t know why all of a sudden they got into VO's avatar. And below there are real comments with calculations about real Russophobes who have settled in the State Duma - Rodnina and Yushchenko - that’s why the investigation is needed with their statements addressed to the people. And Poklonskaya is well done. Her people support. He fights against thieves and corrupt officials, crossed the road to many. Not a woman, but flint. With such a reconnaissance is not scary to go. He will not sell or betray.

[1 Navigator]

Well, what did you expect from the sectarian?

[siberalt]

Poklonskaya, honestly fulfilling her duties as a deputy, made a deputy request for hundreds of angry and legitimate letters from voters. The contention in the society was started by journalists, translating its object (the film "Matilda") into the reaction to it of part of the society, which was supported by Poklonskaya. And it was not she who initiated this scandal, but the liberal "artists" feeding from the budget trough. Thus, the investigation put ahead of the cause. The usual manipulation, which we do not get used to. And do not la la.

[agel26r]

Everything goes to that. It’s not easy, because she was made a deputy of the ruling party so that she was, as they say under supervision, and then a bastard under a gentle knee, well, like she didn’t live up to hope or there she lost confidence, you know who In fact, the appointment of her as a deputy is a demotion, for who is the Crimean prosecutor and who is the deputy of the Duma, even the state

[Buffet]

Today, deputy Poklonskaya replied to Yushchenko, writing that she was offended “for fellow countrymen from her native Crimea and Donbass”, who are former citizens of Ukraine and, according to “Yushchenko’s theory, should keep quiet in the“ rag ”while the citizens“ with experience ”will teach them how "right" to love the motherland. "

speak for yourself Natasha.

[4thParasinok]

Quote: Zibelew

Now she carries such a heresy that there are doubts about her mental health

the problem is that in this story, it is Poklonskaya and not Rodnina who is more right, who does not even know that Nicholas II is reckoned among the HOLY Martyrs, and not just some obscure martyrs. Yes, and as far as I know (although I may have the wrong info) it all started with the requirement to check the intended use of money, since they were allocated to a film about a ballerina, about her life and work, but it turned out that she is a secondary hero in the film, and the film captures only a tiny moment her life, and then it started down the hill.
But we have allocated the state. funds for Viking, Sevastopol and many other strange films. And no one answered for the misuse of money. By the way, Sevastopol was supposed to tell, and not to tell about how not about the bed life of the poor sniper, whose real life in the film was misinterpreted. And they made 5 years younger, and the child from their first husband was simply buried without mentioning in the film. Poklonskaya spoke out against this trend.

Regarding Nicholas ||. I myself do not consider him a good ruler, but this does not mean that he should be poured mud, and even give this role to a porn actor.

[sogdy]

Quote: 4-th Paradise

Yes, and as far as I know (although I may have the wrong info) it all started with the requirement to check the intended use of money, since they were allocated for a film about a ballerina, about her life and work,

By the way, the ballerina was amazing. There are sketches, photographs, shooting. There are family and traditions.
And they made the tearful little history up niac.

[cedar]

Poklonskaya defended the expensive and valuable for her, and not for the cynical teachers of kin and the Ministry of Culture.
Most of us can’t do this ... Many already have nothing valuable and precious left in their hearts, all the cynics burned out according to the satanic method - “Overton's Window”.
It’s just that they don’t put films about a woman who lifted her legs up high in wartime.
Ale, dear, if you notice, the information-psychological war is in full swing.

[sogdy]

Quote: cedar

Poklonskaya stood up for something dear and valuable to her,

Vashcheta, Poklonskaya began to spin misunderstandings based on appeals from voters. That is, strictly performing the work assigned to her.

[mavrus]

Even once positive characters once in the State Duma become, to put it mildly, "inadequate."

[Zibelew]

Yes, it began before the State Duma. All the same, the years spent in Ukraine do not pass without a trace for anyone ...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: mavrus

Even once positive characters

was there a boy ?!

[Fedorov]

Someone did not elevate her to all heights. And the brain turns out to be like a butterfly, since it carries nonsense. , it's a pity.

[TRex]

How interesting - two deputies grabbed on, and the "Ethics Commission" will figure it out ... Maybe I missed something in the life of our State Duma, if something is not right - correct ... Two deputies, one from the Communist Party, the other from "United Russia" dumped into a neighboring state, where they began to irrigate the former homeland, the Duma, and even the entire "Ethics Commission". One deputy was somehow quickly shot, the second deputy bawls folk adjacent songs and sleeps with protection with the lights on ...
Maybe I was on vacation, maybe I was repairing a car ... in short, I was distracted. Were there or not any apologies or explanations to the voters on the part of the leaders of the party factions for the quality of the deputy corps? For the political and moral condition of the servants of the people? Is anyone responsible for anything in the State Duma? And how many more traitor spies are working there? And how do they manage to conduct notorious crooks to the highest organ of state power?
The mustachioed would be raised - he will quickly learn how to work with personnel.

[bober1982]

Quote: TRex

The mustachioed would be raised - he will quickly learn how to work with personnel.

It will not work, only two pairs of worn boots and left from it, and a military-style jacket.

[vovanpain]

Quote: bober1982

It will not work, only two pairs of worn boots and left from it, and a military-style jacket.

Not only.

[Weyland]

Forgot to add: and a million shot plus 15 million dispossessed.

[KOMA]

Have you seen? Go participate?

[the lord]

Read the data on the repressions of the Memorial Society. At one time they tried very hard, but they got confused, because everything turned out to be much smaller.

[Nitochkin]

And that is not 10 million. executed and 150 million. dispossessed?

[sogdy]

Quote: TRex

Were there or not any apologies or explanations to the voters on the part of the leaders of the party factions for the quality of the deputy corps?

No.
And the Ethics Commission will be examined only if there is a complaint from one of the parties. Freedom of expression ... still.

[Herculesic]

Poklonskaya lacks two things in life — happiness — a good man who could also listen to her, and sex, preferably in company with a real man (I won’t impose myself — I won’t exchange my city for another)!

[Cadet]

Just a man so that he is not forgotten is nonsense, but I agree with you I put a plus.

[siberalt]

There would have been more such principled deputies in our Duma as Natalya. Then at least something for the better would have changed. This girl does many of them, and she holds the flag in her hands!

[Alf]

Quote: Herkulesich

Poklonskaya lacks two things in life — happiness — a good man who could also listen to her, and sex, preferably in company with a real man (I won’t impose myself — I won’t exchange my city for another)!

It is scary when a cell hits a woman in the head.

[sogdy]

Despite all the cries and squeals, the bottom line:
1) The Church recognized Nicholas II as a "holy martyr", and not as a saint or a martyr.
2) The statement about "100 thousand no one will listen" is a discredit of the Russian law.
3) In the world it’s not accepted (from the word at all) to make films, stage plays and so on. about saints, martyrs and others - no gag, only a canonical display of their feat (well, as it is customary to say, put quotation marks yourself)
4) The gag about canonized by the Church in the world is perceived as ours - to urinate on the Eternal Fire.

Then choose for yourself.
If "respect your freedom to express your own opinion" - the question is, how do you live in Russia?

[Reserve officer]

Is it accepted to stage plays and rock operas about Christ in the world? Around - in bulk.
Then I personally do not care much that the church recognized there. In our constitution, it is separated from the state. Although the current rulers flirt with her with might and main (law on insulting the feelings of believers, a TV channel, transferring buildings into the ownership of the church, etc.). And in many cases, the “gag from the canonized by the Church,” as you write, is a sober and truthful view of events.
And separately for Nicholas II, about whom, in fact, all this protracted discussion is underway. A rare traitor to his country, a rag and henpecked. Peter the Great would simply strangle the bastard. He prosralit the monarchy, and with it the country. And all further tragic events in Russia after his abdication are on his conscience.
And about the Eternal Fire is not necessary. It’s shallow and mean. In relation to the fallen.

[bddrus]

Eka you answered for Peter the Great. Do you know a person well? or watched a lot of movies?

[Reserve officer]

Quote: bddrus

Eka you answered for Peter the Great. Do you know a person well? or watched a lot of movies?

Firstly, I ask for “YOU,” Comrade Senior Lieutenant. And secondly, if you are interested in the history of Russia, you should know how Peter the Great treated all scum betraying Russia and the throne. How did he treat his own son, recall?

[sogdy]

Quote: Reserve officer

Is it accepted to stage plays and rock operas about Christ in the world?

Have you noticed the complete coincidence of these rock operas with the biography of Christ?
However, this is for me, very far from Christianity, I have to study it, just to understand the neighbors. And you just don’t know him.

[Reserve officer]

The answer is just for the answer. What do you want to say with your comment?
And if you continue - where is the director’s gag in the film? Is the novel of the young Niklai and Matilda a crime? Which in no case can be shown? Where is the departure from your "no gag, only the canonical display of their feat".
I will say that if it weren’t for the tantrums of Madame Ex-Prosecutor, nobody would have noticed the film. And by and large, her excessive love for Nicholas II is only her personal affair. And she does not need to confuse this position with her state powers.

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: sogdy

3) In the world it’s not accepted (from the word at all) to make films, stage plays and so on. about saints, martyrs and others - no gag, only a canonical display of their feat (well, as it is customary to say, put quotation marks yourself)

It’s not accepted, so don’t take it off. But don’t forget that if a director is an atheist, for example, your internal charters do not apply to him. proven historical fact of the novel of a young prince with a ballerina.

Quote: sogdy

If "respect your freedom to express your own opinion" - the question is, how do you live in Russia?

Anyone who lives beyond the canons and does not consider Nicholas 2 a saint means you write down as enemies? The guys from the KhG went even further and wanted to burn movie theaters. It is good that the state changed its mind in time and isolated society from these guys, who put their beliefs above people's lives.
Such screamers and guardians of the faith like Poklonskaya made an advertisement for this essentially mediocre and small film, which the audience would not even notice.

[sogdy]

Quote: Thunderbolt

if the director for example is an atheist

This does not exempt from social obligations, in everyday life called "hostel rules"

Quote: Thunderbolt

So you write down in enemies?

I have a very "positive" attitude towards religion.
But, while canonization is not lifted, be respectful. And the “respectfulness” complex is the property of Russian culture, and not someone’s whim.

[Ayratelinsion]

Sorry, is the Church so holy? When he was canonized, it was quite clear that this canonization was an act through and through political

[urganov]

Quote: sogdy

hostel rules

valid only in the hostel. So apply them INSIDE your religious communities. The rules of conduct in society for religion (and any) is irrelevant. And to impose a rule of conduct in "one's hostel" for the rest of society is unacceptable. This is exactly what Americans do not like around the world, and the persecution, including criminal, of sextants is ongoing. Any religiosity is a sign of mental ill health. And her (religiosity) imposition is a crime against the individual.

[siberalt]

Women always love bosses and kings. So what?

[sogdy]

Quote: Reserve officer

And about the Eternal Fire is not necessary. It’s shallow and mean. In relation to the fallen.

Daragoi! Do not tell you. For you do this by running into the canonized holy martyr and the one who came out in the "defense of memory." No matter how unpleasant their personalities are to you, it’s holy. And your "memory to the fallen" is from them.
Is it not funny that I say this - from a people very cynical about any believers?

[Reserve officer]

Quote: sogdy

Quote: Reserve officer

And about the Eternal Fire is not necessary. It’s shallow and mean. In relation to the fallen.

Daragoi! Do not tell you. For you do this by running into the canonized holy martyr and the one who came out in the "defense of memory." No matter how unpleasant their personalities are to you, it’s holy. And your "memory to the fallen" is from them.
Is it not funny that I say this - from a people very cynical about any believers?

I’m not a “daraga” to you! What can I say - it's not for you to decide, you are our newly made troll! Holy martyr, then? Church canonized? But what about abdication during the war, what is the betrayal of the country and the army? But what about the Russo-Japanese war? And what to do with Rasputin, who for this martyr was higher than the opinion of the General Staff? And can it remind you who is in St. Petersburg in the cemetery "Victims of the 9 of January"?
I already wrote here once that Peter the Great would have strangled this bastard for all his merits. He lowered all the merits of the dynasty to the toilet this your beloved Nicholas II. And if the church extols him to heaven, then the big question for these ministers is - who do you serve? To God or to whom else? Or what?

[Nitochkin]

Do not touch Rasputin. The mere fact that his Anglo-Saxons have eliminated speaks volumes. They would listen to him and look at the PMV and there wasn’t. And all the subsequent chaos.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Nitochkin

Would listen to him and PMV you look and there was

well, the war would be all one other question what we got in there and it’s not yet clear on whose side

[urganov]

Quote: sogdy

canonized holy martyr

And in the mumbo-jumbo tribe, sacrilege is to eat roach with beer. You are guided by your concepts of holiness in your religious dormitory. This has nothing to do with the rules of behavior in society.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: sogdy

The gag about canonized by the Church in the world is perceived as ours - to urinate on the Eternal Fire

comparison sorry stupid
firstly, what is offensive in the film, only without snot, but clearly and distinctly
secondly, the canonization of nicholas is extremely controversial and highly politicized

[sogdy]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

first offensive in the movie

They are not a reader, but a writer, which is noticeable.
Complete unreliability of events. I do not want to use such words, but they are ecclesiastical: the construction of a blasphemy against a monastic vow back in 1893. Right, the candidate for the "monks in the light" and then, and now under a microscope is examined.

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

secondly, the canonization of nicholas is extremely controversial and highly politicized

Do you have a church rank? Not?! Then how can you judge the affairs of the Church?
No, really, HOW? Whatever you or I think, this is no longer our business. Even to the Synod or to the Patriarch, we cannot appeal on this matter.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: sogdy

Complete unreliability of events

have you seen the movie?

Quote: sogdy

Do you have a church rank? Not?! Then how can you judge the affairs of the Church?

Well, you can agree with his holiness
By the way, many (including church hierarchs) were against this, giving quite weighty arguments, but they rejected the arguments, from my point of view it was pure politics, by the way, Maria Vladimirovna was frequent in the Russian Federation then
I think that it had some kind of

[Alf]

Quote: sogdy

1) The Church recognized Nicholas II as a "holy martyr", and not as a saint or a martyr.

So without explaining why?

[sogdy]

Quote: Alf

So without explaining why?

Get to the nearest church, ask the one who is in the appropriate vestments. If you know how to ask (right, not in the form here), they will answer you. The less you argue and regret, the more they will tell you.

[Alf]

Quote: sogdy

Quote: Alf

So without explaining why?

Get to the nearest church, ask the one who is in the appropriate vestments. If you know how to ask (right, not in the form here), they will answer you. The less you argue and regret, the more they will tell you.

I asked. In response, mekali and bekali. They more and more pressed that he was shot. And to my objection that it was not TsAR who was shot, but CITIZEN Romanov, the saints began to foam and wrap up the discussion.

[Makarov]

It’s hard to come up with the best movie advertising ...

[sogdy]

The best "advertisement" was in Novosibirsk. Premiere screening in several central cinemas and a meeting of Navalny.
After this dummy people came off on another dummy.

[vanavatny]

in the State Duma a new blonde ... a circus of careerists and crooks

[Holoy]

This girl is slowly but surely going crazy ...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Holoy

This girl is slowly but surely going crazy ...

Well, why does it come down?

[Old Horseradish]

The rotten rotten swamp of corrupt toads and one courageous girl who stood up for the emperor. Why do we have such a rotten mentality? Where are all these guard regiments, where are the imperial officers? Where is the real elite, and not this abomination? Where are the real citizens? One Poklonskaya stayed.

[Berkut24]

and one courageous girl who stood up for the emperor.

The criminal must be defended by lawyers. Not deputy this business.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Old Fuck

who stood up for the emperor.

What is it like?!!!
he did not have an affair with an actress? !!!
I’m silent about the fact that his canonization was an openly political game
but in fact he is a coward and a traitor

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Old Fuck

... where are the imperial officers? Where is the real elite ...

Shot in the 37. (figuratively speaking) Lime to the root.
For that fought for it and ran.

[Old Horseradish]

Yes, no, in the 37th your lads were shot. And the officers are mostly civilian. And what was plagued by the root - do not dream, it did not work out. The roots remain, so wait for the shoots, comedians.

[Ayratelinsion]

Ahh! Still the guys will come running who want to take power into their own hands with the help of foreign states, yeah?

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Old Horseradish

in xnumx your shot was shot

What are you inconsistent. But the second half of the forum accuses us that it was just "our lads" pulled the trigger. You have already decided, it is necessary to slander at least consistently.

Quote: Old Fuck

And what was plagued by the root - do not dream, it did not work out.

This is true, their descendants are now native Europeans. Today they are French, British, and some even Americans and Canadians.

Quote: Old Fuck

wait for the shoots, comedians

Look forward to. Perhaps they will get stronger, will return, and they will take to the nail of the rebellious 100 years ago, uh ... subjects.

[Old Horseradish]

Why slander something? Everything is freely available. Surname and name. And who will get stronger is your Arabs friends. You will still understand which monsters you made of them ... created so to speak. Everything is coming back, is it, my distant friend. There is a Russian proverb: "Whoever sows the wind, reap the storm", by the way, it applies to the 37th.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Old Horseradish

And who will get stronger is your Arabs friends.

So years through 500, when they mature (culturally and socially) to an "adult" mentality.

Quote: Old Horseradish

which monsters you blinded from them ... created so to speak.

In this case, we have absolutely nothing to fear, because imaginary actions entail imaginary consequences.

Quote: Old Fuck

Whoever sows the wind will reap the storm

This is true, but for some reason walking on a rake doesn’t suit you. You are reaping the storm after the storm, but the wind cannot be sown in any way.

[sogdy]

Even Troll must drive nonsense much more elegantly.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: sogdy

Even Troll must drive nonsense much more elegantly.

This is for the user "Old Horseradish" - he first started.

[the lord]

What do you breed? In the Red Army, your imperial regiments served, against the interventionists, for the Soviet, but still Russia fought. And those who, on the other hand, were mostly newly-made ensigns, who only received officer ranks in the last years of imperialist officers. Oh, and their cadre officers and soldiers hated it!

[sogdy]

Quote: And Us Rat

Shot in the 37th. (figuratively speaking) request Izvest under a root.

Surprise, along all lines my family has significantly more than 15 generations in the army.

[You Vlad]

In vain you laugh at her, she’s not the only one, but represents a group of people for the tsar’s priest (the return of the monarchy) and I have to remember (whitewash) Nicholas 2! By the way, there is an opinion that there is still Russian gold in the West, but we don’t have a successor to get it .... here and look ..

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: You Vlad

, and represents a group of persons for the king the priest (return of the monarchy)

well, the monarchy is not the worst form of government, but for Russia it’s probably the best

Quote: You Vlad

By the way, there is an opinion that in the west there is still Russian gold

Well, this is not an opinion, but the fact that the RI of the USSR did not receive gold

[Alf]

Quote: You Vlad

that in the west there is still Russian gold, but we don’t have an assignee to get it .... here they are looking ..

Yes, and there would be, hell, he would have received something.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Alf

Well, this is not an opinion, but the fact that the RI of the USSR did not receive gold

Quote: Alf

Yes, and there would be, hell, he would have received something.

There is still a redhead of the USSR. Shashurin says he knows where!
Colleagues I’ll post it so as not to look .., look, it may be interesting.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

the paddles and limes and the romanovs did not want to give it away

[sogdy]

It seems to be positioned as serious people, but they believe in such nonsense.

[APASUS]

I look here pounced on Poklonskaya for her beliefs, but is this not freedom of speech.?
Poklonskaya’s problem is that she acted as an open person and brought it all out to the press, but she had to act as an official. Create new laws, commissions for receiving films, filters for unreliable tapes. And then everyone would be happy.
A person has convictions and does not hesitate to defend them, what's wrong with that?
Are many of you ready to go all the way?
I don’t like her ideas, but it’s better than a weather vane for Putin, otherwise in the Duma we have recently had rare unanimity

[Reserve officer]

No not like this. The film’s director has the freedom of speech. And she has an administrative resource. Running counter to her official duties in the State Duma.
She is responsible for the fight against corruption according to her official duties, no one has ever put forward or appointed her to censors from the film industry. Nevertheless, she uses her official powers to fight a film that she does not like. This is not just a protest of a citizen of Poklonskaya, from which you can simply dismiss it. This is a protest of a deputy of the State Duma and many cultural figures are taking a canopy.
Broken film screenings, destroyed movie theaters, blackmail of distributors, media hysteria are just crimes. And not a personal opinion.

[bddrus]

I agree! She likes this topic - well, for God's sake.
and answers in the style of "the right to learn must be earned," "the new citizen of Russia," "100 no one will listen," these gentlemen of Crimeans designated people of the second grade as such statements. Rodnina was a good athlete! but why did she suddenly become a good person or a good official? like many sits in the Duma in the role of "wedding general"

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: APASUS

filters for unreliable tapes

and what is not trustworthy in this film? !!!

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: APASUS

A person has convictions and does not hesitate to defend them, what's wrong with that?

she does not defend her beliefs, she rested like a donkey
if you prove that 2x2 six it will speak not in your favor

[Sling cutter]

Quote: APASUS

I look here pounced on Poklonskaya for her beliefs, but is this not freedom of speech.?

Colleague! Poklonskaya’s exit with a portrait of Nikolashka on May 9th in the column of the Immortal Regiment looked ... very, very strange ... (softly)
I don’t even want to talk about the adequacy of the act, I’ll only say that I didn’t go with this lady in the same column.

[Berkut24]

I think that she does not need to meet with any commissions. Go to the orderlies.

[faterdom]

Well, yes, the emphasis is not there ... If the question is - what are we giving the sowers such a lot of money for, what seedlings are for, and what they want to tell us about it here - then I personally "For" with two hands!
But personal beliefs about the personality of the last loser tsar should be turned into a certain state position - that’s why you wouldn’t have to spend effort and money, it’s better to do something else! As, however, even the Church was not worth canonizing him - a very controversial figure, who has nothing more to do in the Immortal Regiment of the winners! Leave it to private discretion: if you want - read Tsar-Father Nicolas II, if you want - scold him. Here, he was respected precisely as a tsar — ​​he didn’t do anything at all, dragged him into two wars, both unsuccessful for Russia, and as a result plunged the state into a split, tear, Civil War and devastation.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Yes, someone will take this thread demoniac? !!!!

[Fagelov]

I am on the side of N.V. Poklonskaya. Came out with an icon? Yes, I did. Nicholas II was the Supreme Commander during the First World War. He fought a war with Germany. I wanted a victory. This is what Poklonskaya wanted to show.
But Teacher is not Teacher to us. On a lie built his film "Matilda"

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Fagelov

Nicholas II was the Supreme Commander during the First World War. He fought a war with Germany. Wanted victory

and safely betrayed his army and country

Quote: Fagelov

But Teacher is not Teacher to us. On a lie built his film "Matilda"

honestly, if it’s not for the donkey, I wouldn’t have watched this movie, now I’ll see for sure
By the way, did you see the movie ?!
what exactly is false in it? !!!!

[Scoun]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

By the way, did you see the movie ?!
what exactly is false in it? !!!!

Ah ha ha ha !!!!!
Guys - you are burning !!!!
99% do not know the real history and artistic production of the film, but everyone discusses everything as experts of the last resort.
Comrades, if the film Matilda were filming an unbroken shobla from the domestic cinema (where rare ones like the Quartet ")
In short, moderators will forgive.
Rear-wheel drive make a film for State money in scripts below the belt, and those who for 20 years of independence got drunk on it and are trying to find the "foundation" .....
In short, 10 years old and whoever sees it will watch the "debate" about Stalin, Khrushchev, Brezhnev, Gorbachev and Yeltsin .....
They all symbolize certain stages in the history of our lives.
PS.
It seems to me that Stalin’s faces will be beaten, they don’t give a damn about Khrushchev ....
And so I gave someone closer ... Rodnina Yeltsin licks.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Scoun

99% do not know the real history and artistic production of the film

have you seen the movie?
why, without seeing the movie, people claim that they are lying ?!
I remember there was a mediocre film 1612 - nonsense and stupidity, but no one was blissed in the whole world

Quote: Scoun

Rear-wheel drive film for gos money on script below the belt

this is a completely different question, the possessed by the way did not raise this issue, I admit that the film is not about anything and certainly not worthy of arguing about it for a YEAR, but who made the advertisement for it ?!
worship himself and propiaril

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Fagelov

Came out with an icon? Yes, I did. Nicholas II was the Supreme Commander during the First World War.

And what does the king have to do with the Second World War? In those years, the USSR was ours and not RI. And the Immortal Regiment was created in memory of the generation that fought during the Second World War. And where is the bust streaming around in Crimea? In her head paused. It does not bother to check with a narcologist.

[Alf]

Quote: Mordvin 3

And where is the bust streaming around in Crimea?

Regarding the myrrh-streaming, there is a wonderful phrase of Peter I. "If the icons are again paid with oil, the backs of the priests will be paid with blood." And all at once stopped.

[Alf]

Quote: Fagelov

I am on the side of N.V. Poklonskaya. Came out with an icon? Yes, I did.

People went to the BP with portraits of their RELATIVES who were in the war or fell on it. Is Nicholas a fan of the relative?

[urganov]

Quote: Fagelov

On a lie

Proof in the studio. Show the lie in its unsightly form.

[bober1982]

And who opposes N.V. Poklonskaya? Lyceum professional and "engineers" of human souls. The Narodnik is corrupt.

[Old Horseradish]

Quote: bober1982

Lyceum professional and "engineers" of human souls. The Narodnik is corrupt.

These vile corruption toads should be in hard labor. Nicholas II would have done so (he was a kind, merciful man). And Comrade Stalin would have thrust them into the Gulag, where they would have breathed no more than a week. When Pikul wrote his novel "Unclean Force," the entire Politburo of the CPSU Central Committee said, "How can this vile little man slander the emperor? Did we seize power from the idiot idiot?" And after that, Pikul was not printed anywhere. And he ate cheap canned food and sprats. I always said that Brezhnev was a wise statesman. He understood the role of Nicholas II in the history of Russia. And I would force the teacher to clean the needy, and not make films about our emperors. A scoundrel and a provocateur!

[bober1982]

Director - teacherproducer - Vinokur (the same one, a comedian and a mockingbird), good company. It’s time to shoot a nasty movie about the Russian tsar.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: bober1982

Just about the Russian tsar to filth disgusting movie.

have you seen the movie?
can you say what exactly is vile in it?

[bober1982]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

have you seen the movie?

No, I haven’t.

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

can you say what exactly is vile in it?

There are expert opinions of those who saw this film, in particular Bishop Tikhon (Shevkunov), the next rating, the film is a hoax.

[Gransasso]

Quote: bober1982

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

have you seen the movie?

No, I haven’t.

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

can you say what exactly is vile in it?

There are expert opinions of those who saw this film, in particular Bishop Tikhon (Shevkunov), the next rating, the film is a hoax.

And the bishop ... is he an expert in what field? Is he a historian? A screenwriter? Director?

[bober1982]

Quote: Gransasso

And the bishop ... is he an expert in what field? Is he a historian? A screenwriter? Director?

The author of the book "Unholy Saints", at one time he graduated from the All-Russian State Institute of Cinematography (literature), the author of many films, including one known as "The Death of an Empire. Byzantine Lesson."
This is not for you to dance on ice.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: bober1982

including such well-known as, "The death of the empire. Byzantine lesson."
This is not for you to dance on ice.

He thoroughly studied the life story of Nicholas II ?!

[the lord]

Of course, I don’t remember exactly, but it seems like the bishop formalized your opinion on the basis of what his "experts" told him. He himself did not go watch, alas. And it seems you are lying here

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: bober1982

No, I haven’t.

I have no more questions

Quote: bober1982

in particular, Bishop Tikhon (Shevkunov), the following assessment, the film is a hoax.

is he a historian ?!
specifically what is the hype?
the king is not real or matilda left ?!

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

the king is not real

Probably...

[urganov]

Priests have never been authorities in Russia. So it doesn’t. I join Vasilenko to Vladimir - proof

Quote: bober1982

vile

in the studio.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Old Fuck

And Comrade Stalin would put them in the Gulag

yeah and how comrade Stalin would put them in the MAIN DEPARTMENT of the camps, if you use the terms then do not become like untalented scribblers

Quote: Old Fuck

and not make films about our emperors. A scoundrel and a provocateur!

and what is the provocation? !!!!
and Nicholas my emperor WILL NEVER THIS family betrayed Russia and it is not necessary to channel them, and anathema is to betray ALL who escaped from the country, all who did not raise the banner, because the white movement was headed by EVERYONE - generals, admirals. the chieftains and only the great princes (of whom there were like fleas on the fleece) squandered out
so HE IS NOT MY EMPEROR

[vladmort]

and Nicholas my emperor WILL NEVER THIS family betrayed Russia and it is not necessary to channel them, and anathema is to betray ALL who escaped from the country, all who did not raise the banner, because the white movement was headed by EVERYONE - generals, admirals. the chieftains and only the great princes (of whom there were like fleas on the fleece) squandered out
so HE IS NOT MY EMPEROR

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

and Nicholas my emperor WILL NEVER THIS family betrayed Russia and it is not necessary to channel them, and anathema is to betray ALL who escaped from the country, all who did not raise the banner, because the white movement was headed by EVERYONE - generals, admirals. the chieftains and only the great princes (of whom there were like fleas on the fleece) squandered out
so HE IS NOT MY EMPEROR

Yeah. Of course he is not your Emperor. He is the Emperor of the Russian people. And you are spoiling the graves of your ancestors and, accordingly, are not Russian.

[Nitochkin]

How so, emperor? Something is inconsistent. He abdicated.

[vladmort]

Really? And is there evidence?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: vladmort

you shit on the graves of their ancestors and, accordingly, are not Russian.

about how everything is running
and when did I have time to spoil? !!!

[vladmort]

My ancestors and yours by the way (if you are Russian), in 1613 swore allegiance to the Romanov family. You spit on your ancestors and their oath, aren't you?

[urganov]

Quote: vladmort

spoil the graves of your ancestors

Let me ask, what is this expressed in? Key to Russianness You are our ...

[albert]

Quote: Old Fuck

all the Politburo of the CPSU Central Committee said, "How can this vile little man slander the emperor? Have we seized power from the idiot fool

Ha ha ha, did the Politburo seize power from Nikolai ?! I’ve been laughing under the table for a long time!

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: bober1982

And who opposes N.V. Poklonskaya?

Я

Quote: bober1982

Professional Lyceum

never once

[bober1982]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

never once

Dancing on the ice, is it not acting? The acting profession is terrible, flirting, and transferring all their acting to life, there is no faith and can not be. Such laughter turns out.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: bober1982

Dancing on the ice, is it not acting?

I do not know did not dance

[bober1982]

I. Rodnina was dancing, I'm not talking about you.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

I didn’t write about Rodnina, I’m responsible for myself

[the lord]

Doesn't Poklonskaya dance? In fact, she right now replayed terribly. The bust myrrh is confirmed or your vis-a-vis is lying or is subject to deception, which means there is no faith in her affairs, because either she is stupid or false.

[Alf]

Quote: bober1982

And who opposes N.V. Poklonskaya? Lyceum professional and "engineers" of human souls. The Narodnik is corrupt.

And who stands for worship? Undetermined "gentlemen officers, blue blood"?

[bober1982]

Quote: Alf

gentlemen officers, blue blood

By the way, the favorite song of officers of the Soviet Army, the era of stagnation, ......gentlemen officers, blue princes ......, performed at all informal events (with a cup of tea)

[sogdy]

Quote: Alf

Undetermined "gentlemen officers, blue blood"?

If the "gentlemen officers" - then the "white bone".
"Blue Blood" from another opera.
Terminology, you know, such terminology.
By the way, you should not forget that the current “blue” at that time was called “green”. For general development.

[Warrior Hamilton]

Shameful Duma, shameful shifters - "communists", permanent deputies stuffing their pockets. Found another "enemy." The state affair is to kick the shobla. What a huge state affair they are doing. “Poklonskaya is not in its place,” for all the villains and suckers are in their place. Therefore, milk production will surely increase and another billion will go down, housing and utilities and gas tariffs will drop, gas will be spent already in Yıldırım .... The country will brilliantly end the Syrian company and reconcile Israel with Iran ...... The main thing ... that ... , damn it, Nyasha .... did not interfere .......

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Warrior Hamilton

the shameful changeling "communists", permanent deputies stuffing their pockets. Found another "enemy"

from the fact that the rest is not better Poklonskaya never ceases to be possessed

[sogdy]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

Poklonskaya does not cease to be demoniac

Do not forget to add that this is your personal opinion, otherwise it will be an insult.

[rocket757]

They promoted the film in full, free but very high-quality advertising ... more people will watch it now than it should have.
It will work out. that the audience will vote with their feet.
For a pretty public prosecutor ... it would be better if she was at the hearing for her direct duties on duty ... the field of activity is vast ... but dangerous.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: rocket757

It will work out. that the audience will vote with their feet.

download through torrent

[rocket757]

It’s lucky if the “network” is high-speed ... it’s “sour” in the wilderness
However, for this film I’m not interested in any way ... I’ve read everything that was of interest on the topic, so the free imagination of the “artist” is not interesting to me ANYTHING !!!

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: rocket757

at on in the wilderness "sour"

so I am in a wilderness man, I live on a farm, the network is good

[rocket757]

Lucky! I think I live in the suburbs, and the network is full ...
Dead zone.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

I have fiber optic

[Old Horseradish]

Brezhnev and the Politburo of the CPSU Central Committee respected Emperor Nicholas II. Therefore, there was such a reaction to Pikul's libel. Brezhnev’s time was generally our golden age. And now there is a process of final fooling of society, pouring slop into our history. I would try this idiot-teacher-tormentor of the audience to make such a film, for example, in the USA about presidents or in England about the queen. He would be quickly sorted out there. It's not us fools.

[Reserve officer]

Old Fuck? Interesting nickname. With humor. Justify.
I've watched a movie. Until the general premiere. The king is shown by an ordinary person. Which is represented by an ordinary man. Which stands on a young attractive lady. And that’s all!
Where is the libel? Where are the insults of the feelings of believers? Are all these goodies from the holy spirit born or from the intercourse of the pope with mom?
Why does the love affair of Peter the Great do not offend anyone's feelings (although Peter is ten goals higher than this Nicholas II, a parody of autocracy), and here is such a hysteria?
It's not about the content of the film. The point is in the reaction of the not-so-smart former prosecutor. But film distributors and film critics have not yet departed from the instinct of self-preservation.

[Old Horseradish]

Stock Officer, curious nickname. I would also add a "very old supply stock."
As I understand it, you are already a grandfather. At your age, and mine too, it’s hard to explain anything. But still try.
The bastard teacher specifically defecates as the top communists of developed socialism did not even allow themselves to think. I will explain why this is done.
They are afraid. This abomination is afraid that the king will come. Not "this" (which is now), but the real one. Therefore, all this is happening. And the problem here is not that “whoever has what”, although I understand that this topic is reverent to you, the problem is that our story is Poklonskaya alone and protects, but our type is “officers” ... Well, excuse me, do not pull on the spiritual elite. Not all, of course, are normal, but a significant part, alas.

[Reserve officer]

You know, I expected a really decent answer. But alas.
You are not interesting to me, Old Horseradish ...

[Old Horseradish]

Yes, to hell with me. Your trouble is that you are not interested in Imperial Russia and the autocrat. Excuse me, will you be one of the politicians?

[Ayratelinsion]

What exactly does defecate? More details, please.
And, you know, this premium woman does what can hardly be called protection. Defense is arguments, not hysteria.
And the tsar, if he suddenly comes, will have nothing to do with citizen Romanov. It’s not cool to make a clown, who abandoned the throne, his banner.

[vladmort]

The king is shown by an ordinary person.

This is what offends. The king is by no means an ordinary person. And do not about Peter. Any King "is not subject to the judgment of the earth." What's not clear?

[Ayratelinsion]

No, exactly meat too. And imagine blood red

[vladmort]

Well, Jesus also had red blood, on this basis, you say that he is an ordinary person?

[Weyland]

Quote: Reserve officer

although Peter is ten goals taller than this Nicholas II

Is that growth. Paradoxically, at the first glance, Peter is to blame for the revolution far more than Nikolai! Thanks to his reforms, peasants began to perceive the nobles not only as exploiters, but also as foreign occupiers: Does not dress in Russian, speaks not in Russian, does not look in Russian ("shaved harya") - what kind of Russian is he after that ?! Well, plus the inheritance of estates (which previously were only given for military service - and only untilwhile the subject is serving in the army! And for pugachevschina special thanks to Peter's "Berg-privilege" with a violent registry of state. peasants to the factories!

[Alf]

Quote: Old Fuck

Brezhnev and the Politburo of the CPSU Central Committee respected Emperor Nicholas II.

What was this expression about?

Quote: Old Fuck

I would try this idiot-teacher-tormentor of the audience to make such a film, for example, in the USA about presidents

What about the movie President Franklin the Vampire Hunter?

[urganov]

Quote: Old Fuck

moron-teacher-tormentor

Have you watched all the films of this director? And you are a specialist in the production of film production probably. Tell us about your merits as an expert, so that we can refer to your authoritative opinion.

[unignm]

need to change it to nadia. received maidanutism in the Duma there, and so everything is not glory to God, but with this stupid little thing ....

[Bondik05]

I would try this idiot-teacher-tormentor of the audience to make such a film, for example, in the USA about presidents or in England about the queen. He would be quickly sorted out there. It's not us fools.

Do not confuse warm with soft. In England, the queen did not fall in love with her country, there is a monarchy, traditions, etc. The attitude towards the monarchs is very different with the British. At the same time, a bunch of films about Lady Dee with a similar story. Why doesn’t anyone fight in tantrums.
About Nicholas II, what is the crime? Well, he had Matilda, so what? They shot the film "about love" in a beautiful wrapper with kings and ballerinas - and what? As always, we are looking for a conspiracy where it is not. No more problems?

[rocket757]

Are you serious?
May Lady Dee have them for the saint, TABU.
That's about the rest of the monarchs / presidents of which they just did not shoot !!!
The British can not particularly affect the queen, and even Hollywood scratches for everyone in a row !!!
Like, nothing sacred!
And they are just such that there is nothing sacred, they laugh and do not bother.

[Tolstoevsky]

If the ethics commission fulfilled the task assigned to it, the State Duma would not have any Russophobic scum

[Andrey160479]

Come on. Poklonskaya cool! Honestly, a beautiful young lady! A woman’s brains in general, and nothing. She has only emotions. Oh well, let’s say, the main thing in be is beauty.

[Belyash]

Putin's elite
Poklonskaya. Zaldostanov, etc.

[rocket757]

Made laugh!
Confuse the backyard with the "color of the nation"

[urganov]

You look silly with such examples. Although it was called a Tatar pie.

[rocket757]

I was already amused in a similar way, our "advanced" youth !!!
The nice prosecutor has a new face, and the "surgeon" was on all the lists !!!

[Vard]

The key concept here ... disrespect ... Is it bad ... good, but it’s the king ... We do not respect the king, do not respect the history of his country ... and therefore do not respect the country ... That is the essence of the conflict .. and everything else is ... smoke ...

[Ayratelinsion]

But do you need to meet the high rank?

[Litvinov]

They took a girl from Ukraine onto their own head ... But Ukraine will not be able to withdraw Ukraine from a girl, medicine is powerless.

From you - one bedlam,
Shame on the king, embarrassment to the ambassadors!
I have been antirezing for a long time
Are you not sent to us? ..

[ALLxANDr]

A srach is divorced !!! And they all share something, then measure it ... It has already gone banal, either for us or against ... The world is not in black and white, gentlemen! Well really! Has the right to express their point of view? It has! What climbed into babskoe lingerie? Another thing is that how many pests in the Duma and the cinema got out, already climb out of their skin, aka unread! The film "Matilda" - custom guano! Let Europe take pictures of her kings, who climbed under her skirts, who was a dove, who is a maniac ... But at a public expense they should make a good movie! Not about cops with prostitutes, not about blues and lesbians, not theatrical performances in the frame instead of a good movie .. forgot how to shoot scenes that they take for the soul, forgot how to give people their heroes, forgot how to give people an idea! I want to see in films, Russia is a great country! And not looted, bombed, once again betrayed ... I want the directors to at least a little glimpse into the future of Russian cinema ... For the fantasy to be, it’s breathtaking, for the comedies to be without fuss, embarrassed, smoked, and so on .d., so that the drama is such that the whole audience sobbed from empathy !!!

[Warrior Hamilton]

Well said, right! +100000

[rocket757]

Quote: Vard

We do not respect the king, do not respect the history of our country ... and therefore do not respect the country ...

Deb ... I am logic (if it is of type IS). Yours is not my respect.
Respect FACE efforts / inaction which led to the collapse of not a small, not weak such a country ... the flag in your hands.
The maximum is a paragraph in a history textbook, a bust on an avenue of rulers, a historical person no matter how.
And the COUNTRY, PEOPLE, do not touch history, there is something to remember and write about.

[skylare]

Unjustified disputes around a film that is quite usual for modern Russian cinema. Well, the deputies need to occupy themselves with something, otherwise the boredom is probably mortal in the Duma.

[bashkir]

And more ... I would like to see a movie. To understand without any orders what is wrong with him. I think that not only Russians can understand how much the film does not meet the expectations of the audience. And if he answers ... In general, Tsar Nikolai is a very ambiguous figure. In general, he is only a historical figure. Or no???

[Umnichka]

Poklonskaya’s wrong, probably, but she’s right - our deputies should be shaken properly, stagnation in their buttocks.

[bashkir]

Yes, you have to shake it. But not arranging confusion in society. Russian society began to be defined as civil. Who for whom. May be enough. Already survived. If she doesn’t like something in the film or something else, then she doesn’t have to mess up the people. Because the squabble is already beginning to reach the outskirts. And this is a shake. WHO is she to raise the ghost of the past, because of which one can raise a wave in society of 140 million people because, as Govorukhin noted, 100 thousand people ?????

[rocket757]

Quote: skylare

Unjustified disputes around a film that is quite usual for modern Russian cinema. Well, the deputies need to occupy themselves with something, otherwise the boredom is probably mortal in the Duma.

With some clarifications ... the idea is very robust.

[rocket757]

Quote: Bashkir

And more ... I would like to see a movie. To understand without any orders what is wrong with him. I think that not only Russians can understand how much the film does not meet the expectations of the audience. And if he answers ... In general, Tsar Nikolai is a very ambiguous figure. In general, he is only a historical figure. Or no???

Reasonable approach. And to watch a film - it would not hurt to read books on the topic; at school this moment was almost not considered at all, there was nothing to compare with.

[bashkir]

All limbs are in favor. In Soviet times, the theme of kings was deprived. Just a statement of facts. In such a year, such a king ascended the throne; under such a king, such reforms were carried out. And what kind of people they were ... silent.

[rocket757]

And I am proud that I was born, lived, studied in the USSR !!!
Lots of good things WAS !!!
For shortcomings, I do not beg, but it was EASY to get good experience ... if you didn’t lay your sides on the couch.
By the way, knowledge / skills are all from that period ... and it was possible to read / enlighten identity too. Not easy, of course, but if there is a desire ... as they say ACT.

[gm9019]

In my opinion, everything here is much deeper and more serious than the usual hysteria, albeit a deputy of the State Duma.

But now I will show the three most important, in my opinion, steps that Poklonskaya took as a monarchist.
Step one. July 2014
Hohenzollerns present their "orders" to a number of leaders of the Crimea. In particular, Plenipotentiary Oleg Belaventsev and Crimean Prosecutor Natalya Poklonskaya.

Step Two January 2015
Mass media say that Poklonskaya during the New Year's greetings clearly made a choice between Putin and Nikolai the Second in favor of Nikolai the Second.
Step Three July 2015
Poklonskaya announces that then the people behind her will repeat many times: they say that the autocrat, abdicating the throne, did not comply with officialdom and therefore did not abdicate at all. Journalists begin to look for meaning in this statement and discover the following:

“If Nicholas II did not abdicate, then the imperial house of the Romanovs, who reminded us of himself in the last days, can really exist. Regardless of who makes up this house now, are they relatives or not relatives, they have the right or do not have "- all this is particular, the essential question is important: can the imperial house exist or not? If Nicholas II abdicated the throne, then, of course, no imperial home exists, since no one has taken the throne for the abdicated sovereign."

http://www.imperiyanews.ru/details/e2a70243-10a6-
e711-80e5-020c5d00406e

[Air defense SSH]

Nicholas 2 is not worthy of respect, guilty of the collapse of the great empire, Yanukovych and Gorbachev in one bottle ... And he is not holy / b ...
I am not against an unlimited number of presidential terms, but against the monarchy by inheritance ...
And Poklonskaya gives the impression of a presumptuous schoolgirl, an excellent student, with maximalist thinking

[tasha]

The situation with N. Poklonskaya is one example of the imperfection of the existing system of selection of candidates for important posts for society and the state. Until a system of thresholds is developed for the nomination, for example, for elections of candidates for deputies of the State Duma, such situations may be repeated. A good athlete can be a disgusting legislator, a prosecutor can be a man of one act, and a singer can be a thief in law. But they will be chosen ...
Selection, selection and selection again. Who tested future deputies for psychological stability? We are testing cosmonauts, but there are no people on whom in which country we will live ...

[svp67]

Quote: tasha

Until a system of thresholds is developed for the nomination, for example, for the election of candidates for deputies of the State Duma, such situations may be repeated. A good athlete can be a disgusting legislator, a prosecutor can be a man of one act, and a singer can be a thief in law. But they will be chosen ...

Yes, they will choose to see what he really is, not in words. And people have the right to do it

Quote: tasha

The situation with N. Poklonskaya is one example of the imperfection of the existing system of selection of candidates for important posts for society and the state.

I do not agree. This is another example of the fact that the system is not perfect. There is no legal way to REVIEW a deputy who has not fulfilled or does not fulfill his duties and obligations. People have the right to choose, they must have the right to recall.

[tasha]

Yes, they will choose to see what he really is, not in words. And people have the right to do it

In many cases, the cost of error is too high.

I do not agree. This is another example of the fact that the system is not perfect.

Actually, I also write that the system is imperfect. And it’s better not to choose the one you need to recall. So we will sort it out until we find that one? Selection. Selection and selection again.
In the future - a citizen’s index, which is formed by a variety of parameters and a system that allows a person to increase his index. (this is not an advertisement of means to increase that )

[svp67]

Quote: tasha

In the future - a citizen’s index, which is formed by a variety of parameters and a system that allows a person to increase his index.

Controversial proposal. This index will be the highest, not among the best people, unfortunately.

[tasha]

Controversial proposal. This index will be the highest, not among the best people, unfortunately.

But on this and will need to work. But still better than nothing, right? At least a closed analysis of the authors' work on a given topic by some commission. Or open testing in Russian with live broadcasting ..

In the elections to the State Duma in our region, for example, one of the parties nominated a candidate whom I have long known personally and cannot speak of as a decent person. But politically active and the language is suspended ....

[HEATHER]

She took off too high. I don’t think that a pretty face will save her. Just a scandalous woman who does not know the story.

[Conductor]

A beautiful woman, but she also sweeps the blizzard. By the way, the prosecutor of the Crimea, they did it publicly, I have doubts about her professionalism. Are there things that she, the syuridic point, completed normally?

[Love is]

I wonder if if they shot a porn movie about Stalin, would Rodnina be silent? I don’t think so. And if she was silent, what kind of communist is she? So is Poklonskaya. She honors Nicholas II. And does not offend Stalin. All she wants is to put an end to perjury. Hammam, of course, interestingly stares under her skirts, so stare. There are porn sites. But to remove lies, peppercorn, playing on the base passions of the population is immoral. Many in the Duma need to learn how Poklonskaya defends her position.

[Ayratelinsion]

Excuse me, but there is documentary evidence that he did not fuck ballerinas?

[sogdy]

Quote: Ayratelinsion

Excuse me, but there is documentary evidence that he did not fuck ballerinas?

So he was a monk in the world. And watched him continuously.
There are minute lists of observations.
Perhaps this is a discovery for you.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Love is

I wonder if if they shot a porn movie about Stalin, would Rodnina be silent?

and about nikolashka made a porn film? !!!
when?
where can I see? !!!!!

Quote: Love is

all she wants is to put an end to perjury.

and who is the false witness?

Quote: Love is

Hammam, of course, interestingly stares under her skirts, so stare. There are porn sites.

this demoniac did everything for the movie to be watched; there would be no cries of it; 90% of those who look at it would not even have known

Quote: Love is

But to remove lies, peppercorn, playing on the base passions of the population is immoral.

can I clarify what lies in what? !!!

Quote: Love is

Many in the Duma need to learn how Poklonskaya defends her position.

yes just don’t give such "professionals" she defends herself like a donkey stupidly and mediocre, would be a smart and competent lawyer would have found a hundred workarounds

[Alexander Ra]

aea-969

“The film is declared by the Teacher himself as historical, which implies the full reliability of the events depicted in it, reliance on documents. However, what is shown in the trailers is not documented. It is a pity that Teacher and his team are not embarrassed by the fact that in history there have been no cases of cohabitation of Russian tsars with ballerinas, Nikolai II did not faint at his coronation, Kshesinskaya was not at the coronation of Nikolai II, Nikolai II did not sleep with Kshesinskaya and did not change to his wife Alice of Hesse (in Orthodoxy, Alexandra Fedorovna) with Kshesinskaya. From the memoirs of contemporaries, it is known that Nicholas II was a deeply religious person, "an exemplary family man, a loving husband and father. I advise you to read the book" Lies of Matilda "by candidate of historical sciences Petr Maltatuli which details what the film does not correspond to historical reality. And not is shame on Teacher and his team so brazenly distorting the history of Russia and inventing tales about Nicholas II? It's a shame that a film like "Matilda" is created for the people’s money ... One is glad that there were people who stood up for Tsar Nicholas II and are struggling with falsification of Russian history no matter what."

[Will]

An elephant was inflated from a fly. What for? Obviously, in order to take someone’s stupidity.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Yes, not even an elephant, here the little animal turned out to be bigger
and in general it sometimes seems to me that the worship is in proportion with the teacher

[siberalt]

[quote = Stock Officer] Old Horseradish? Interesting nickname. With humor. Justify.
I've watched a movie. Until the general premiere. The king is shown by an ordinary person. Which is represented by an ordinary man. Which stands on a young attractive lady. And that’s all!
Where is the libel?
This "libel" for love-seekers, who is standing on a young lady? But what does the state budget have to do with it? Although, everyone sees what he wants to see Then why spread rot for MP Poklonskaya? Is it because they commanded - “at her” and the choir unanimously supported - a witch to the fire, come on! I should be ashamed. I am ashamed.

[Atlant-1164]

What muck, this is your jellied fish!

[TsUS-Air Force]

not so you and nyasha prosecutor Natasha !!! you disappointed me ... decided to earn a name for yourself with cheap PR. girl you are still quite ...

[Old Horseradish]

I love Brezhnev and his era. These are not current ... That's how they treated Emperor Nicholas II.
“The famous slanderer of the old man Gregory Rasputin and the holy Martyr Tsar, the pseudo-historical writer Valentin Pikul, ending his novel“ Unclean Force, ”wrote“ By the definition of V. I. Lenin, ”the counter-revolutionary era (1907-1914) revealed the whole essence of the tsarist monarchy, brought her to the “last line”, revealed all her rottenness, vileness, all the cynicism and debauchery of the tsar’s gang with the monstrous Rasputin at its head ... ”That's what I wrote about!”

Oh, how he tried to please the slanderer Pikul of the then communist government. How so! Indeed, against the background of the “royal lawlessness” described in the book, she looked just like a lamb! But something did not take into account the famous spiteful. Power was not as vile as the writer himself. By 1979, by the time the shortened version of Pikul’s novel was published in the journal Our Contemporary, something had changed in the communist government. It is no coincidence that after publication, the immediate circle of L.I. Brezhnev was confused. The Secretary of the Central Committee of the CPSU, M. V. Zimyanin, even summoned the presumptuous writer “on the carpet”.

Then at the All-Union ideological meeting regarding Pikul criticized a member of the Politburo of the CPSU, the main ideologist of the USSR M.A.Suslov. And after that, the newspaper Literary Russia published a devastating article by a senior researcher of the USSR Academy of Sciences, candidate of historical sciences I.M. Pushkareva, directed against the novel in The Last Line (the author’s title is Unclean Force). The scientist historian Pushkareva directly stated that Valentin Pikul had poor knowledge of history and noted that “the literature that" lay on the table "by the author of the novel (judging by the list that he attached to the manuscript) is small ... the novel ... is nothing as a simple retelling ... writings of white emigres - anti-adviser B. Almazov, monarchist Purishkevich, adventurer A. Simanovich and others. "

The editorial conclusion signed by the head of the department of fiction E.N. Gabis and the senior editor L. A. Plotnikova also stated the same thing: “The manuscript of V. Pikul cannot be published. It cannot be considered a Soviet historical novel ... "."
And this ghoul-teacher in Brezhnev’s time would have been forced to sweep the streets, and not to shoot this one.