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Beijing began to drift towards America

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Last Tuesday, a meeting of more than 200 politicians, businessmen and scientists from the United States and China was held at Columbia University in New York. They called their event very pretentiously: "The think tank forum is a relationship for the next fifty years." Look not so far forward called not whim experts. In New York, they began to form an official course towards a union of two states, called upon to determine the future world order. This is supported by the fact that the Chinese delegation was headed by Vice Premier of the State Council of China, a member of the Politburo of the CPC Central Committee Liu Yandong. On the American side, political partner, former US Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, became her partner.


Beijing began to drift towards America


"Chinese dream" has found its vector

In his opening speech, Kissinger outlined the purpose of the forum: “It is imperative for the United States and China to work together to raise the level of our relations from pragmatism and solving everyday problems ... Our task is to find a way to combine American exclusivity and the“ Chinese dream ”, which will create a new world order for the good of all. "

It seems that such an approach to joint economic and, possibly, political interaction did not become a revelation for the Chinese delegation. In this regard, I recall the April meeting of PRC President Xi Jinping with US President Donald Trump in the Mar-a-Lago resort estate. Then, during dinner, the manor of the manor perplexed the Chinese guest with a rocket attack on Syria.

Commentators found Trump's gesture a political rudeness, but Syh endured and brought the negotiations to the end. Moreover, after their graduation, the Chinese leader flew to Alaska, where he discussed joint oil and gas projects with the local governor. Already then it became clear that in “Mar-a-Lago” Sy didn’t come to get acquainted with the American partner.

The chairman of the PRC was driven by long-term national interests. This was evident from how seriously the Chinese were preparing to meet with Trump. For example, since the beginning of the year, they have resumed in large volumes the purchase of US government debt obligations, replenishing their credit portfolio of American trading companies that has considerably thinned before.

In the past, when it became clear that the Barack Obama administration was squeezing China out of regional trading communities, Beijing arranged a sale of US treasury bills. Today he is buying again (the eighth month in a row), having returned to himself the status of the main foreign creditor of the USA.

This dynamic has not changed for the entire period since the April meeting at the resort estate. Trump during this time managed to scold the Chinese, scare them trade war. Chairman C, as if nothing had happened, continued to finance the American economy by buying low-income traders.

Occupation is rather doubtful. Judge for yourself. In August, the US Treasury Department published a regular report on the movement of US debt government bonds. According to the ministry, the volume of tradegrices held by China is 1,146 trillion dollars. This move of Beijing was not understood by everyone, even in China itself. "Perhaps they think that the dollar is now attractive and increased investment (in US government bonds)," said Kevin Lai, an analyst at Daiwa Capital Markets in Hong Kong.

There are grounds for his confusion. As is known, annual Chinese exports to the United States are estimated at 480 billion. It turns out that Beijing has been sending its goods to America for more than two years and leaving its revenue overseas, buying US bonds. Xi Jinping continued this policy today. The chairman of the People's Republic of China demonstrates to the Americans and the world that he is set to cooperate with the United States, regarding it as a long-term project of the “Chinese dream”.

Who and why is waiting for the Congress of the Chinese Communists

Some trades dealt not over. Beijing has opened its market for American beef. Sharply (almost ten times) increased oil exports from the United States. It is said that taking six weeks from Texas is more profitable than taking three weeks from Saudi Arabia. And without any talk, it is obvious that the new steps of China will make it possible to somewhat reduce the trade imbalance between countries that has grown to indecency ($ 320 billion in favor of Beijing).

In addition to economic, there are also sign political overtures on the part of the Chinese. This was noted by Henry Kissinger, a forum at Columbia University, who noted the cooperation of the two countries in matters of global policy, which "is already evident in our joint actions on the Korean issue."

What it was: a statement of fact or praise to the compliant Chinese - everyone is free to decide for himself. Let's see the situation in practice. As long as the US administration is hot in belligerent rhetoric about North Korea, China is really acting. In September, he completely froze deliveries of liquefied natural gas to the DPRK.

21 of September, the People’s Bank of China issued an order to the national banks - “to stop providing financial services to new North Korean customers in accordance with UN sanctions and to wind up lines of credit with current customers from the DPRK”. Since October 1, Beijing has imposed restrictions on supplies of oil and petroleum products to Pyongyang.

The next step should be the already promised ban on the import of textile products from the DPRK, bringing the Koreans about $ 700 million in revenue. Beijing, in fact, threw a close geographically and ideologically close partner. Turned away from him in favor of the prospects of cooperation with the Americans.

Donald Trump crumbled in the courtesies of Xi Jinping. “It was a somewhat unexpected step, and we appreciate it,” the American president rejoiced, but did not promise anything in return. For example, remove the worrying Beijing American missile defense system from the Korean Peninsula.

The transformation of the “Chinese dream” into the “big two” has not been ignored even by those Americans who constitute the anti-Chinese segment of the ruling (primarily military) elite of the United States. Representing her interests, former Assistant to the President of the United States Stephen Bannon, according to the South China Morning Post, recently held a closed meeting in Beijing with the head of the Central Commission for Discipline Inspection of the CPC, a member of the Politburo of the CPC Central Committee, Wang Qishan.

Details of the meeting, which lasted an hour and a half, were not disclosed. However, the experts came to the conclusion that the Big Two was discussed. First, Bannon came to Beijing from an investment forum in Hong Kong. So, he was ready to speak on economic topics. Secondly, Wang Qishan belongs to the category of those party leaders who are directly involved in the preparation of the XIX Congress of the Communist Party of China, scheduled for 18 in October.

This intra-Chinese event is of interest to foreign analysts, primarily because the chairman of the PRC Xi Jinping must be re-elected at the congress as Secretary General of the Central Committee of the Chinese Communist Party of China. No less interesting are the new CPC policy documents on economics and politics.

It is expected that at the congress in the Chinese plans the “big two” will acquire real features. For the first time talked about it in 2009 year. The proposal to create a “group of two” (G2) was an American initiative. The Chinese treated her coolly. They felt that the United States was not ready to consider China as an equal partner, and declared their commitment to the concept of a multipolar world.

Now the situation is different. China over the years has become the main trading partner of more than one hundred countries of the world. The economy of China at purchasing power parity for several years confidently ahead of the US. Moreover, China is seriously lending to America. In addition, since last autumn, the Chinese yuan has become one of the world's reserve currencies.

It began to be used in international payments, including for the supply of hydrocarbons. Now, one can certainly wrestle for equal cooperation with America, albeit with ethical costs from the betrayal of many years of partners. Some can be left without gas and oil, others in the same congress documents can be modestly named “strategic partners”. Everything will be accepted and even justified by local propagandists.

China opened in its desire to "steer the world on an equal footing with America." Probably, they will succeed. Except for the few self-sufficient countries, including Russia. She is remembered. The US Treasury Department already announced 28 in November as the date for the introduction of new sanctions against Russian banks and oil and gas companies. This will happen after the scheduled for November visit of US President Donald Trump to Beijing ...
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  1. svp67
    svp67 2 October 2017 15: 21
    +9
    Our task is to find a way to combine American exclusivity and the "Chinese dream", which will create a new world order for the benefit of all
    But so far, it’s not Chinese, but American dreams ... Let's see what happens next. It’s too early to draw conclusions on isolated events ...
    1. Anatole Klim
      Anatole Klim 2 October 2017 15: 34
      12
      Quote: svp67
      Let's see what will happen next

      Well, first there will be friendship, then peace, but it will end anyway like that ...
      1. svp67
        svp67 2 October 2017 15: 41
        +8
        Quote: Anatol Klim
        but it ends anyway ...

        There is even no doubt. And the victim will hit himself with an ax ... The Chinese will bring them. More TE "leeches"
        1. Shurik70
          Shurik70 2 October 2017 20: 06
          +4
          Come on you. The Chinese are ALWAYS on their mind. They try for themselves.
          But, unlike Turkey, for no reason planes are not shot down, and boats are not drowned. What they promised to do. Another thing is that they do not promise much
          And with the neighbors there is “border tension” - just like ours. Directly armed confrontation is with India and Japan. But at the same time, like us, do not mind trading with “opponents”.
          And the fact that the United States will one day run into, and not on the operetta "September 11.09.2001, XNUMX", but on real terror - this is already understandable. You can’t feed the terrorists and think that you are safe from them. But there is doubt that this terror will force the nation to unite. Rather, it will lead to collapse.
          1. hrych
            hrych 3 October 2017 11: 49
            +2
            As were the appendage of the Golden billion from the time of Nixon, they remained. It was proud, especially the proud was Khudzintao, even trying to teach GDP. It seemed that China was struggling with superpowers, but Uncle Donald quickly showed them the place, put them under the baseboard, and they ran with taxes, petitions and a big smile with little teeth with a spatula. And admirers of friendship with the Chinese let them die down, it is impossible to relate to them on an equal footing, only down and with contempt and they will be delighted. This is called a mentality.
    2. siberalt
      siberalt 2 October 2017 18: 48
      +1
      China is now ready to buy up American debts, if only they would not start bombing the DPRK. belay
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 2 October 2017 20: 07
        +5
        Beijing began to drift towards America
        Beijing has no "drift" ... the Chinese, following ancient wisdom, take the position of a monkey watching from a tree how others fight ...
        1. iConst
          iConst 2 October 2017 20: 58
          +3
          Quote: Dead Day
          Beijing began to drift towards America
          Beijing has no "drift" ... the Chinese, following ancient wisdom, take the position of a monkey watching from a tree how others fight ...

          Well, in this case, if you do not fight, then at least they already have to push around themselves.

          This summit shows only that Emarca, despite Trump’s pathos slogans that he will restore the SGA’s economy, has little chance against China continuing to swell. More precisely, no chance. And they begin to maneuver - this is how the proposal to "rule the world in a couple" is interpreted.

          I have no doubt that this proposal has a number of conditions, and one of them is aimed at the destruction of China’s ties with Russia. A break with Russia will certainly weaken the position of China and greatly weaken the position of Russia.
          But I don’t think the Chinese are so stupid. They are even worse than arrogant Saxons who can maneuver. The self-confident West imagines that he will surpass the East in political cunning. Yes Yes...

          So, the talk of “drift” is greatly exaggerated, although, of course, practical Chinese will play this American card in relations with Russia.
      2. shvn
        shvn 2 October 2017 21: 18
        0
        Well, why does China need this? Surrendering to Pyongyang, what does Beijing win?
    3. gladcu2
      gladcu2 2 October 2017 20: 10
      +4
      Citizens are comrades.

      No drift towards the United States, China does.

      The Chinese are working with the United States as the main trading partner.

      The Chinese and Russia are trying to remove the dollar from international trade relations, replacing it with gold or a basket of currencies.

      Methods of replacing dollars, this is not BRICS only.

      The main tool is 75% of the control traded in world oil reserves. Which carries out Russia.

      OPEC almost no longer exists.

      So that we have interesting times.
    4. Berkut24
      Berkut24 6 October 2017 10: 58
      0
      But so far, it’s not Chinese, but American dreams ...

      And dreams are quite "wet." Nobody is going to fight with an old, dead animal. Everyone is waiting for his corpse to float past.
  2. iouris
    iouris 2 October 2017 15: 28
    15
    Quote: Apart from the few self-sufficient countries, including Russia. The end of the quote.
    Strongly said. Like the classic: "China will not send us tea, what will happen?" I'm not talking about smartphones - without them, the population will begin such a breakdown that the whole way of life will instantly collapse.
    Beijing has not drifted: logic suggests that both superpowers should agree on how to divide Siberia.
    1. Tatar 174
      Tatar 174 2 October 2017 16: 41
      +9
      Quote: iouris
      Beijing has not drifted: logic suggests that both superpowers should agree on how to divide Siberia.

      I’ll hut the Native American people! Let them first try to kill the bear, and then hide the skin, if possible.
      1. antivirus
        antivirus 2 October 2017 17: 02
        +4
        to all issues of world politics universally:

        antivirus 3 Today, 11:54 | Lost Straits
        there was no light of the Straits --- ONLY THAT WE GET ON THE RESULTS OF WAR THAT WE CAN COLLECT FROM ALLIES.
        STRENGTH IS NEEDED AGAINST THE ENEMY. And AGAINST ALLIES AFTER WAR, SO ATTACHED THE VICTORY TO VICTORY
      2. You Vlad
        You Vlad 2 October 2017 17: 07
        +3
        Quote: Tatar 174
        I’ll hut the Native American people! Let them first try to kill the bear, and then hide the skin, if possible.

        Yes, we also started to drift towards the USA! We also have the USA Treasury fellowHow many articles we have on drifting China toward the United States, the continents should have collided yes
      3. Nerobot
        Nerobot 2 October 2017 20: 29
        +1
        (Well, how the Dragon and the Vulture will agree and they will add up the Bear.) Putin's terrible dream.
        1. Alexanast
          Alexanast 3 October 2017 08: 31
          +6
          Well, how do the Dragon and the Vulture agree and they bear the Bear.


          The Yankens along with the Communists ... laughing
          This is definitely a fairy tale ...
          And the fact that the Americans will throw anyone ... yes
          So this is a business and nothing personal.
    2. NordUral
      NordUral 2 October 2017 20: 16
      +2
      Exactly! But Moscow is dreaming.
    3. av58
      av58 2 October 2017 20: 58
      +1
      As for smartphones - it's funny :-))) The trouble is not in smartphones, we can bake them ourselves, but in mass production of the simplest things that we import from China, destroying our own enterprises.
      1. shvn
        shvn 2 October 2017 21: 25
        +3
        Chubais will establish all the production that he destroyed with his vultures
        1. r4space
          r4space 4 October 2017 07: 58
          0
          It's funny how wassat fellow laughing
    4. ellada
      ellada 2 October 2017 23: 27
      +2
      Really. China has long dreamed of Siberia and more. It has long been crowded within its borders. And he can easily turn his back on Russia, as he did with North Korea.
    5. Zheleznostop
      Zheleznostop 4 October 2017 10: 46
      0
      He won’t send tea, okay. Ivan tea is.
  3. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 2 October 2017 15: 40
    12
    "Friend" China has changed the partnership! And we were left alone!
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 2 October 2017 16: 22
      +4
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      "Friend" China has changed the partnership! And we were left alone!

      Worse! Tomorrow, billions of Chinese will seize the Far East and Siberia!
      1. Goha meister
        Goha meister 2 October 2017 20: 01
        0
        yeah, as usual slogans sound like that, ah! He remembered: "Soon!"
      2. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 3 October 2017 01: 35
        +4
        Quote: Alexey RA
        billions of Chinese will take over the Far East

        What to scold is not the case!
    2. weksha50
      weksha50 2 October 2017 20: 18
      +3
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      "Friend" China has changed the partnership! And we were left alone!



      Hmm ... What, joyfully ??? fool
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 3 October 2017 01: 38
        +4
        Quote: weksha50
        joyfully?

        Is there anything to rejoice about?
    3. NordUral
      NordUral 2 October 2017 20: 24
      +9
      Yes, we were always alone, for this reason it is not worth shedding tears. The main thing is that the State returns to the country, and not the rules of the organized crime group.
      Self-sufficient, a mixture of the bloods of many peoples has created a surprisingly stable population of strong people. It’s just that while we are numb after the great deception of the people of the USSR, but we must, simply for the sake of the future of children and grandchildren with great-grandchildren, be obliged to return the country to the right path of social justice. And then nothing will be scary to us.
      And these animals - they still cling to each other's throats. And we need to recover, not to cry, but not to be whipped by imaginary successes, but to grit our teeth and build a new Russia, taking all the best from our great and great past. And do not forget to adopt the best of world experience, even from enemies.
      1. shvn
        shvn 2 October 2017 21: 28
        +1
        When to the barricades? October has already arrived. Do not be late? What will we take first? Russian Post? Nobody needs her in FIG. Telegraph? Does he still exist or what?
        1. Zloyxirurg
          Zloyxirurg 2 October 2017 22: 26
          +3
          you probably spent a lot of mind on such a brilliant answer. you sit on the stove, gray sides, hopefully count on, your grandfathers did just that. And without denying yourself almost everything, you were able to prepare the future for 70-90 years in advance, so that you now sit and get smart here.
        2. NordUral
          NordUral 3 October 2017 13: 28
          +1
          Why the barricades - this is the last thing to do. In the meantime, collect the convolutions in a bunch, think and go to the polls. When they vote like they had just in Catalonia, cheating is very difficult. And we will achieve our goal. Yes, and patriotic parties and forces perked up with a nationwide support.
          1. Zloyxirurg
            Zloyxirurg 3 October 2017 16: 54
            0
            I agree about the vote. And I didn’t go to vote before.
            And now I’ll go and vote for the GDP. Because by the combination of qualities - he is the best choice. Not only that, his very life makes him focus more on the people, because his friends oligarchs - at the first opportunity, they can throw him and dump him to the west.
            And he understands this. And think about what kind of life this person has. Is it really life? he only does what works works works.
            We have many here in the country, including those sitting here - the maximum that the buttons are capable of reaping. And because of their own laziness, they will not raise their fifth point to do anything. A tribe of dependents with a limited set of knowledge who can only whine.
            They would go to work better, would charge others with the mood, and would not sit only typing negative and broadcasting it to others.
      2. Orakul2000
        Orakul2000 2 October 2017 22: 59
        +8
        I absolutely agree with you !!! Russia is the only country in the world that can be absolutely self-sufficient !!! But for this it is necessary that the powers that be were REAL patriots of Russia, and not hypocritical idlers. When they will start to shoot corrupt officials in China with the liquidation of movable and immovable property and bank accounts, when the people (all people, without exception) will be taught and forced to respect the law, when they will cancel the nationality column in passports and leave only a Russian citizen when they reform the laws so that it there were laws and not verbal balancing act, and they also answered all legal aspects, when all sorts of ulbtras and neo are passed, then you will be respected as a reborn Empire, then the weight of each word is really Russian the leader will weigh tons and no one in the world will be able to fart without your permission, even if out of fear (this is the worst and most undesirable option).
        With respect.
        1. Zloyxirurg
          Zloyxirurg 3 October 2017 02: 51
          +1
          I won’t chant something here, but I’ll tell you this - work is going on in this direction. it is not so easy to do when the enemies are not only around, but also inside, so plus their own people turned into this scribbler above - studying in Western freedoms.
          but the work is on.
        2. MadCat
          MadCat 3 October 2017 03: 37
          +2
          Quote: Orakul2000
          I absolutely agree with you !!! Russia is the only country in the world that can be absolutely self-sufficient !!!

          no country can be self-sufficient in a global village. Since this is just the path to bankruptcy. "self-sufficiency" is a myth at this stage. Of course, you can close the market and fence yourself, BUT then there is a risk that your neighbors “friends”, having cooperated, to put it mildly, will leave for technological separation and then it’s not enough in every sense ....
          1. NordUral
            NordUral 3 October 2017 13: 33
            0
            It may be self-sufficient, but there is no need to shut itself off with an iron curtain. Here they can fence us off, so we must not waste time on a real modernization. I personally have little hope for China. There is no need to quarrel, to be good neighbors, but always keep in mind that everyone is betraying. We have a huge experience in this, unfortunately. And do not betray yourself.
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          3. Zloyxirurg
            Zloyxirurg 3 October 2017 16: 40
            +1
            Quote: MadCat
            Quote: Orakul2000
            I absolutely agree with you !!! Russia is the only country in the world that can be absolutely self-sufficient !!!

            no country can be self-sufficient in a global village. Since this is just the path to bankruptcy. "self-sufficiency" is a myth at this stage. Of course, you can close the market and fence yourself, BUT then there is a risk that your neighbors “friends”, having cooperated, to put it mildly, will leave for technological separation and then it’s not enough in every sense ....


            the whole joke is that instead of defying to the Western globalists and their "experts" that you can be self-sufficient - you sit and press the buttons saying - IMPOSSIBLE!
            What is the meaning of your writing? so that after reading it, the one who wanted to go and do something for the good - suddenly changed his mind and stopped?
            Either write in the name of good, or do not write anything. Writing anti-Russian nonsense that does not benefit both you and anyone around is a waste of time to prove your own literacy and the importance of a way of thinking, and to yourself what?
            We have a huge problem in our country, and it consists in the fact that there are negotiators for the sake of negotiations, thinkers for the sake of thinking, experts for the sake of expert knowledge, in other words - chatter for the sake of chatter.
            Any action should be beneficial and useful.
            If it’s not good, don’t waste your personal energy in a useless activity.
            Good luck.
        3. italianec
          italianec 3 October 2017 08: 27
          0
          let me ask, is there a nationality column in the Russian passport? I don’t have one.
          1. Zloyxirurg
            Zloyxirurg 3 October 2017 16: 56
            0
            you from all that the author of a post wrote only saw this?
            Is it important for you to argue or to understand the meaning of the message and think about its benefits?
            1. italianec
              italianec 4 October 2017 09: 11
              0
              I didn’t argue in the first place. secondly, it immediately became clear to me that this post author is far from the realities of the passport holders of the Russian Federation.
      3. 97110
        97110 3 October 2017 10: 19
        0
        Quote: NordUral
        And we need

        I am embarrassed to ask, these, popularly elected deputies of the State Duma, are they also from "us" who need it? But Abramovich and other "successful people"? What to do with them "gritting your teeth"? There is just
        Quote: NordUral
        all the best from their great and great past
        internationally condemned repeatedly. And even many Voshnye konferey name of Stalin, which, in my old man's concept, is the best, is remembered with an embarrassing reservation. Some, however, do not at all get down from the internationally approved position of blaming personally all the troubles of the Bolsheviks and Lenin. And we can’t get away from this uprooted pose, because in our well-organized society there are both unfinished, and bought for bare promises or for YOUR PERSONAL, blissful well-being, and perfectly settled in this well-organized society ... and not fit into the market or very conscientious ... What new Russia will we build? Crystal bakery, slaves with a whip stripping; with European values, cutting a hole in the back of leather pants; socially fair by nationalizing private property? Ah commissar?
        1. NordUral
          NordUral 3 October 2017 13: 36
          +1
          Have you carefully read what you wrote? About the supreme power, but in general about "our" power, I wrote a lot of "kind" words. My position is quite clear - Stalinist socialism (it is state capitalism socially oriented towards the benefit of the people as a whole).
          1. 97110
            97110 3 October 2017 14: 28
            0
            Quote: NordUral
            Have you carefully read what you wrote?

            I apologize. I was inspired, clinging to the quoted phrase and signed ... So my post is in support of yours.
          2. Zloyxirurg
            Zloyxirurg 3 October 2017 17: 03
            0
            I fully support the idea and point of view of social capitalism.
            about the fact that this is utopia and it is impossible - globalists came up in the west.
            for them, the people are a market and meat that should be chipped soon.
        2. Zloyxirurg
          Zloyxirurg 3 October 2017 17: 01
          0
          You yourself just don’t be like them. Their field of play is chatter. Conversations for the sake of conversations. You show an example, do not pay attention to those who say something like that. I don’t give a damn about how they are there and what they remember, you and I, the sane part of the people, understand everything and know what is good and what is bad.
          The calculation of these talkers and hypocrites is just that you will respond to their writings and will spend time on it. And this means that they have already prevailed.
          Distinguish grains from the chaff, if someone says a lot but does nothing - send him away mentally and do not communicate and do not react to his idle talk.
          Act on the principle - the dog barks, the caravan goes on.
    4. Kent0001
      Kent0001 2 October 2017 22: 35
      0
      Yes, we were always alone.
      1. eklmn
        eklmn 3 October 2017 02: 03
        0
        Did you want to “be lonely,” or “it happened?” And if “it happened,” was it planned or accidentally?
    5. MadCat
      MadCat 3 October 2017 03: 31
      +2
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      "Friend" China has changed the partnership! And we were left alone!

      What other friend? China, besides its interests, has little interest, I am generally against any labels in politics, especially a “friend”.
    6. Stas157
      Stas157 3 October 2017 04: 29
      +4
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      "Friend" China has changed the partnership! And we were left alone!

      For Russia, this is similar to death. But the Soviet Union could remain alone, and dynamically develop at the same time!
  4. LAWNER
    LAWNER 2 October 2017 16: 00
    +8
    Am I reading correctly ???? They sold them turtlenecks and slippers. They got dollars. Then they bought oil and gold, but they paid the same dollars?
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 2 October 2017 20: 27
      +3
      The arithmetic is correct, but there is still algebra and some integrals there. Anglo-Saxons will fall for nothing, how to give a drink. But we should not think about that, but about our own way and how to go along it.
    2. Maki Avellevich
      Maki Avellevich 2 October 2017 20: 48
      +4
      Quote: LAWNER
      Am I reading correctly ???? They sold them turtlenecks and slippers. They got dollars. Then they bought oil and gold, but they paid the same dollars?


      one dollar can be passed through a billion hands and goods, he will buy a value of 1 billion dollars. etc.
      There are paradoxes in economics however.
      1. LAWNER
        LAWNER 2 October 2017 21: 37
        0
        Nevertheless, an advanced country, a ray of US democracy, which can not offer China except oil? And most likely shale?
        I understand that shale intervention also failed?
        Then really: with a black sheep, even a tuft of wool.
  5. San Sanych
    San Sanych 2 October 2017 16: 05
    +6
    Apparently sworn partners are trying to follow the commandment of Niccolo Machiavelli - "Keep your friend close, and the enemy even closer." Which of them will be better time will tell.
    1. Knizhnik
      Knizhnik 2 October 2017 16: 34
      11
      +1 Most likely. And then some have already hurried to announce the "drift of China." China, as befits a regional power, has not and will not have friendship with anyone, only a pragmatic partnership. The rest, too, should have gotten rid of the "childhood illness of friendship" ...
      1. San Sanych
        San Sanych 2 October 2017 16: 43
        +6
        The Chinese are pragmatic, in this few people can compete with them, and it does not seem that they perceived at face value the US attempts to impose its "friendship" on them. Currently, Beijing is showing restraint and calm, and Washington, unlike the Chinese, is overly fussy.
        1. Knizhnik
          Knizhnik 2 October 2017 16: 46
          +4
          Here I am about the same. In addition, they are very nationalistic. American joke: Who will be born from a Chinese and white marriage? Answer: well, Chinese. And who will be born from a white marriage and a Chinese woman? - doubly Chinese.
          1. askme
            askme 2 October 2017 19: 22
            12
            This is not the case. The fact is that China is so far critically dependent on its EXPORT to the USA. China defends its exports to the USA with all this chatter. Its goal is to expand so that trade with the United States could be sacrificed without the collapse of its own economy, until it is real. So far, the PRC is only mastering the Silk Road, while there is no large return required from these projects, this and other projects have not reached full capacity.

            After the conflict over the DPRK and the US threats, China began to create its own oil yuan, trade oil futures in RMB. This is a colossal blow to the petrodollar. In fact, China declared the US economic war after US actions around the DPRK and Trump's threats against the PRC.

            So the current negotiations and sweet speeches are all tactics of war. Do not be mistaken in this regard. There is no talk of peace. This is a dance of death. All bets are made and it is already impossible to win back ...
            1. Zloyxirurg
              Zloyxirurg 2 October 2017 22: 32
              +1
              I agree with you. Comrade Xi is a very smart and pragmatic politician, moreover, as in the United States (but not to such an extent), he primarily declares the opinions and interests of the main economic groups of his country, and his apparatus works for the same purpose.
              Another question is that we have these economic groups for the country and for the people do nothing special.
              But there is hope that the situation will change over time.
            2. Knizhnik
              Knizhnik 3 October 2017 11: 14
              0
              so that trade with the US could be sacrificed without the collapse of its own economy

              Believe it yourself? IMHO I believe not in the foreseeable future
      2. Maki Avellevich
        Maki Avellevich 2 October 2017 20: 50
        +1
        Quote: Knizhnik
        China, as befits a regional power, has not and will not have friendship with anyone, only a pragmatic partnership. The rest, too, should have gotten rid of the "childhood illness of friendship" ...


        Do you have an example of two countries with "friendship"?
        1. Knizhnik
          Knizhnik 3 October 2017 11: 09
          0
          Whatever country of the former USSR you shove, do not miss, Turkey is always looking for "friends", then to one, then to another.
      3. Stas157
        Stas157 3 October 2017 04: 33
        +3
        Quote: Knizhnik
        +1 Most likely. And then some have already hurried to announce the "drift of China." China, as befits a regional power, has not and will not have friendship with anyone, only a pragmatic partnership. The rest, too, should have gotten rid of the "childhood illness of friendship" ...

        But Pyongyang surrendered! In the same way, they will turn their backs on Russia for the sake of America.
        1. Knizhnik
          Knizhnik 3 October 2017 11: 10
          0
          "Rent" only those to whom there are obligations. The rest is the observance of their interests.
    2. NordUral
      NordUral 3 October 2017 13: 48
      0
      This time, I think, to China, if they do not collapse earlier themselves or with the help of the Anglo-Saxons.
  6. raid14
    raid14 2 October 2017 16: 15
    +4
    Nixon-Kissinger PRC strategy in action?
    The bell for Russia is alarming if the US and China agree on a future world order in which there will be no place for sovereign Russia.
    1. Tatar 174
      Tatar 174 2 October 2017 16: 45
      +1
      Quote: raid14
      The bell for Russia is alarming

      The East is a delicate matter, the hero once said. China is just bargaining, it is stuffing its price. We must look at everything calmly.
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 3 October 2017 04: 37
        +4
        Quote: Tartar 174
        China is just bargaining, it is stuffing its price. We must look at everything calmly.

        And if not?
        1. Tatar 174
          Tatar 174 3 October 2017 13: 34
          0
          If not, then there is something else, I won’t guess, it will be seen.
    2. fif21
      fif21 2 October 2017 17: 25
      +1
      Quote: raid14
      if the United States and China agree on a future world order in which there will be no place for sovereign Russia.

      Revolutionary situation! Tops (USA) can no longer rule the world, and bottoms (China) do not want wassat The February revolution is coming in the world - all the power of the UN, and then, Long live comrade Putin? recourse
    3. Nerobot
      Nerobot 2 October 2017 20: 50
      +1
      On a military partnership against Russia; they will not agree, because while China and Russia balance in favor of China, and this stable world is good for the economy, etc. And suppose the PRC and the United States united and overwhelmed Russia, and China remains face to face against the United States and its allies. The Chinese are not fools and cannot fail to understand this. Although as they say "Quiet Ukrainian night, but the powder must be kept dry."
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    1. askme
      askme 2 October 2017 19: 41
      +2
      China sent the Fed a black mark in oil futures. And this is not to win back ...
  8. Galleon
    Galleon 2 October 2017 16: 18
    12
    I do not believe in the softening of the brain among the Chinese. To watch for decades how “partners” throw and cheat their allies - (and only allies, and not enemies) - and take another “courtship” at face value? .. only a young, naive person is able to do this in relation to her notebook: it will be different with me, his oaths are sincere, and, therefore, indestructible. " And Mr. Xi is a little like a naive person. Here it is similar to the behavior of eastern people before striking an insidious blow.
    If China really limited its economic cooperation to the DPRK, this is very upsetting. This is another argument in favor of the desperate move of the North Koreans - to bang a nuclear fist on the American table. You can’t make their life intolerable. We must help them bypass the sanctions.
    1. dzen123
      dzen123 2 October 2017 17: 18
      +5
      I partially agree with you, especially regarding the first paragraph.
      IMHO. I want to add that China needs American "dances with a tambourine" around the DPRK like an umbrella for fish. It all started with the Spratly Islands. But there, China “failed to take”. Then Putin personally and through Trutnev began to implement the AEC project, which has been hanging there since 2009. In connection with Obama’s successful efforts to counter China and the growing energy consumption of China, South Korea, Japan (especially against the backdrop of Fukushima), as well as North Korea (!), The AEC project began to move. Even the Japanese, having considered all the benefits of the AEC, never looked back at Washington. And for the United States, the implementation of the AEC project is a knife in the liver. If so ... ntsat. For calculations for this same electricity would never have been in US dollars. The closure of all the above countries in the region into a single energy system with supplies from Russia of both electricity and, say, the same oil and gas would reduce tension in the region by several times. Why fight, if "like it, do not like it" - but you have to trade. Who in this situation in this region needs the United States and its forever sexually preoccupied marines? Go home, go home ...
      And here the United States had only one way left - an urgent need for war! And it’s better if it is nuclear! Were they crazy about Kim or not - history will tell. It will come out anyway. But they managed to put their missile defense into the region - the first nail in the lid of the AEC coffin.
      And China is clearly punishing Kim for disobedience, and not betraying. If China began to “cajole” the United States in order to reduce the passions in the region, then wang-ku - Kim will not live long. Problems China can stop.
      1. LAWNER
        LAWNER 2 October 2017 18: 52
        +1
        Kim is also being punished by Russia. A lot of screams at a time when many have a finger on the trigger))) .....
        I remember such a speaker))))
        1. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 2 October 2017 20: 51
          0
          Quote: LAWNER
          Kim is also being punished by Russia. A lot of screams at a time when many have a finger on the trigger))) .....

          Yeah, it punishes me so much that I connected the DPRK to the Internet with my line.
      2. Zloyxirurg
        Zloyxirurg 2 October 2017 22: 44
        0
        At some point in time, it also seemed to me that Eun did not act in the interests of North Korea at all, but exactly the opposite, he skillfully created an excuse for us to make noise, buzz, and stick his Prosheks, and drive various troops.
        Pay attention to examples -
        A North Korean rocket flies over Japan - the Japanese, in fear, after leaving the bomb shelters, run to Uncle Sam and ask to put the PROCHKA (that is, they agree, if you take it seriously).
        At one point, the South Koreans outwitted the proshka - on those you will get aggravation and nuclear threats. So you still don't want missile defense? - We want? already want to.
        Disputes with China over the Spratly Islands, over Taiwan - about the aggravation of the situation with North Korea and the quick arrival of two AUGs, yesterday I read that another AUG was leaving for the shores of North Korea. Plus a political dividend bonus in the form of raids on China for the type of "naughty Un", the threat to break the trade.
        The result - the eastern flank of Russia and the southeast underbelly of China are actively saturated with Proshkas and AUGs, somewhere in the depths of about 10-15 nuclear submarines, 1-2 Ohio with the Tomahawks float, they put pressure on China and Russia through the UN, while at the same time being dissatisfied with our and Chinese pressure on Una - trying to take away the VETO right.
        Che turns out, WITH SUCH AN ENEMY - AND ALLIES ARE NOT NEEDED!
        So whose enemy is Man-Rocket-Eun?
        Enemy of the USA? Or a quiet enemy of the Russian Federation and China?
        1. NordUral
          NordUral 3 October 2017 13: 51
          0
          Also such thoughts. But, I think that all this is here, a side effect of the fears of the North. Korea. Though...
          1. Zloyxirurg
            Zloyxirurg 3 October 2017 17: 06
            0
            Pay attention to the fact that China abruptly changed its friendly rhetoric against North Korea to severe sanctions. I think they began to quietly understand why.
            It seems to me Kimushka - banderlog
          2. Zloyxirurg
            Zloyxirurg 3 October 2017 17: 08
            0
            Plus, here's some more food for thought - Eun studied in Switzerland!
            And his wife somewhere disappears from sight regularly - I think she is the link. I can be mistaken, but it is already possible to state a fait accompli - the female half of the ruling families began to be actively and behind the scenes involved in important behind-the-scenes geopolitical movements and negotiations. Ivanka Trump is an example of this.
  9. unignm
    unignm 2 October 2017 16: 25
    +2
    aaaaaa we all die)))))
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  11. AA17
    AA17 2 October 2017 16: 40
    +4
    Events are starting to develop rapidly. And all this happens before the presidential election in Russia. An interesting analysis - Beijing began to drift toward America. If this is true, then I would like to know as whom or what China is considering Russia (as a meal-maker or food)? The US is under great pressure: "... the US Treasury has announced on November 28 the date of the imposition of new sanctions against Russian banks and oil and gas companies ...", plus "no later than 180 days after the date of entry into force of this law, the Secretary of the Treasury Together with the Director of National Intelligence and the Secretary of State, he submits detailed reports to the relevant congressional committees ... "It can be seen that all these actions are directly related to our elite. One could argue that if it is bad for our banks and the oil and gas sector, it will be bad for all Russian citizens. Consequently, the fate of our country depends on our elite, and I will only observe what our Government intends to do (how it will respond to these challenges). Nothing depends on me in this period of time.
    1. fif21
      fif21 2 October 2017 17: 14
      +1
      Quote: AA17
      Therefore, the fate of our country depends on our elite.
      I would clarify, from the brains of our elite. hi
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 2 October 2017 20: 33
        +3
        Depends on us. And we do not have an elite - at the top is a gang of bandits who self-confidently calls themselves that.
      2. Warrior with machine gun
        Warrior with machine gun 2 October 2017 21: 18
        +5
        only a big question if they are with her and for whom they really work hi
    2. Kent0001
      Kent0001 2 October 2017 22: 46
      +1
      Our power ... it won’t do anything. Another trader will buy. Nobody already has faith.
  12. Aleksandr21
    Aleksandr21 2 October 2017 17: 11
    +2
    The Chinese are actually doing it right. Why do they need a confrontation with the United States? Lose the market: "annual Chinese exports to the United States are estimated at $ 480 billion," for what? What the Chinese really need is technologies and shares in the largest companies, while the Americans are not willing to let the Chinese enter their market (in terms of selling technology, and shares in companies), but over time, who knows, the Chinese know how to wait, and their strategic plans extend very far away, so here it is more likely to worry about the USA (no matter how strange it sounds) than to China. Who will deceive whom the big question :) in the EU they are already sounding the alarm about the purchase of companies by China, and along with the purchase of companies they are leaving technologies too ... ... What is the danger of such a union (USA / PRC)? In fact, nothing will change, the PRC stands for a multipolar world and maintains good relations with us, for the sake of the United States they will not spoil relations with other countries, they have a different psychology and politics (than the West, for example), they are more interested in NSP (New Silk Road) and for such a project it is MUCH FAVORABLE (this is the key word) to maintain friendly relations with all countries.
    1. antiexpert
      antiexpert 2 October 2017 17: 31
      0
      The Chinese are actually doing it right
      yeah, 5000 years of epicheyls, purely the whole history of the Middle Kingdom is a solid disco on a rake, and flirting with nugglexes is a special topic)))
      1. Aleksandr21
        Aleksandr21 2 October 2017 17: 47
        +1
        Quote: antiexpert
        yeah, 5000 years of epicheyls, purely the whole history of the Middle Kingdom is a solid disco on a rake, and flirting with nugglexes is a special topic)))


        Well, for 5000 years I don’t take history :) i.e. not strong in Chinese stories. But their latest achievements are truly outstanding. Who would have thought that in a couple of decades this country would rise so economically ... while the USSR and the United States were butting, China was quietly gaining strength in the East, and now they are, according to various estimates, 1/2 the world's economy. Even now, in the confrontation between Russia and the United States, China wins, which is now much easier to negotiate with Russia, which has no particular options, in the EU, China also buys everything that reaches out .... and in Syria, who knows who will collect everything buns after the war. In Russia, there is no money for the restoration of Syria, but China does not have enough.
  13. fif21
    fif21 2 October 2017 17: 12
    +2
    The Communist USSR tried to fulfill its dream with Mattress exclusivity. How it ended everyone knows. I do not think that the Chinese will step on the same rake. Unobtrusively, the Chinese will put the "exclusive" nation in the place that it deserves. Well, you know where the bankrupt is wassat 3 world China does not need, and it will not be. hi
  14. rudolff
    rudolff 2 October 2017 17: 48
    +4
    Maybe there will not be a formal union of China and the USA, but the fact that these two superpowers will determine the world order in the foreseeable future is a fact. China has actually replaced the USSR in a bipolar world.
    1. Gransasso
      Gransasso 2 October 2017 18: 00
      +7
      Quote: rudolff
      Maybe there will not be a formal union of China and the USA, but the fact that these two superpowers will determine the world order in the foreseeable future is a fact. China has actually replaced the USSR in a bipolar world.



      And this was achieved by the growth of the economy, and not by wars around the perimeter and other "geopolitical" cunning plans and many-steps "...
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 2 October 2017 20: 35
        +1
        You are right, oh how you are right ...
      2. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 2 October 2017 20: 59
        0
        Quote: Gransasso
        And this was achieved by the growth of the economy, and not by wars around the perimeter and other "geopolitical" cunning plans and many-steps "...

        From the side of Europe there was an artistic whistle. How are you doing with refugee migrants? Ready to make room and take a couple of tens of millions? In cramped conditions, as they say, no offense. For good people, you don’t feel sorry for the money? And you don’t need money, you live well. And debts for a difficult colonial past must be paid.
      3. Kent0001
        Kent0001 2 October 2017 22: 50
        +1
        They’re just shooting the bribe takers and embezzlers. Here is the result.
        1. Gransasso
          Gransasso 2 October 2017 23: 06
          +1
          Quote: Kent0001
          They’re just shooting the bribe takers and embezzlers. Here is the result.





          As everything just turns out ... that means in the bright days of Mao when they died of starvation, China was in the hands of bribe takers and embezzlers whom no one had shot ... by your logic
  15. Serge72
    Serge72 2 October 2017 17: 59
    15
    China opened in its quest to "rule the world on an equal footing with America."

    Yes, the strengths have grown
  16. 1536
    1536 2 October 2017 18: 30
    +1
    Friendship snake with a snake can be called this relationship. Well, the flag in their hands and Hollywood films to help.
  17. Snail N9
    Snail N9 2 October 2017 18: 33
    +1
    Oh, I remember from such "curtsies" on the part of the United States and the collapse of the USSR began. ... Really, and China fell for this "bait"? Although China is even worse, it is completely stuck in trade with the United States ...
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 2 October 2017 20: 36
      +1
      I think that with China everything will be mirrored, and absolutely.
  18. 1536
    1536 2 October 2017 18: 34
    +1
    Quote: Gransasso
    Quote: rudolff
    Maybe there will not be a formal union of China and the USA, but the fact that these two superpowers will determine the world order in the foreseeable future is a fact. China has actually replaced the USSR in a bipolar world.



    And this was achieved by the growth of the economy, and not by wars around the perimeter and other "geopolitical" cunning plans and many-steps "...

    There are many Chinese and they work well mainly in industry. They should be taken as an example, and not be envied sitting on the couch.
  19. vlad007
    vlad007 2 October 2017 18: 51
    +1
    Why is everyone so excited? 200 businessmen and politicians met at Columbia University, not even Washington. The usual American party with the goal of wishful thinking. China will never surrender to the DPRK. Yes, China complies with the sanctions of the UN Security Council, but these sanctions were worked out including with the participation of China, otherwise China would impose a VETO. I want to remind you that at first they wanted to FULLY ban trade in petroleum products with the DPRK, and then they accepted to limit trade to the level of the previous year. A small country like the DPRK will be able to get along with smuggling.
  20. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 2 October 2017 19: 25
    +3
    This "friendship" does not bode well for us. Guys are going to share Siberia, but I think they will not agree and there are many reasons for this, and the main thing is that both have excessive appetites.
  21. spartak2014
    spartak2014 2 October 2017 19: 48
    +2
    China has its own game. But Americans cannot be trusted. They always play a double game.
  22. nomad62
    nomad62 2 October 2017 20: 04
    +1
    Predictable and Expected
  23. Siberia 9444
    Siberia 9444 2 October 2017 20: 07
    +3
    China is a friend to the first crossroads! Here he goes camping crossroads. Putin sold them modern weapons. Builds bridges. America enemy 1 China enemy 2
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  25. Feldscher
    Feldscher 2 October 2017 20: 12
    0
    China, like Russia, does not want the dollar economy to fall ahead of time. That helps the States. And Korea as a call for help, like, save the dollar or we xs what. Yes, and the United States will not pull a second Vietnam, robbed
  26. NordUral
    NordUral 2 October 2017 20: 13
    +4
    21 of September, the People’s Bank of China issued an order to the national banks - “to stop providing financial services to new North Korean customers in accordance with UN sanctions and to wind up lines of credit with current customers from the DPRK”. Since October 1, Beijing has imposed restrictions on supplies of oil and petroleum products to Pyongyang.

    Well, all this went. It will come, I have no doubt, and such a moment. that in similar news information Russia flashes in place of North Korea. These are the pies.

    And the cowardly liberal treacherous power in Moscow is fooling itself, and most importantly, with unprecedented prospects for cooperation with China.

    It would be time to honestly tell ourselves and the people that for free (all the same, everything will be taken from our thieves that they managed to drag oligarchic and official thieves into offshore) they ruined the Union.

    But no, they drag us into the abyss, to the bottom of the third world.
  27. chicken 96
    chicken 96 2 October 2017 20: 14
    +1
    Quote: svp67
    It’s too early to draw conclusions on isolated events ...

    It would not be too late!
    And then we already have so many who are already talking about .... whether.
  28. weksha50
    weksha50 2 October 2017 20: 14
    +2
    "China opened in its quest to" rule the world on an equal footing with America. "They will probably succeed.".

    Hmm ... I always thought about this and this - I am not ashamed to admit - I was afraid ...
    When in VO, and indeed in the media, rave reviews prevailed that “we together” (that is, the Russian Federation and the PRC) would give a pro ... well, let’s show America, it always seemed to me that the PRC pursues only its goals, and in order to achieve world domination in the future, it is easier to unite with the United States, ditch Russia, and then ditch the United States ... Such a scheme somehow ...
    But China doesn’t need to fight specifically with Russia ... Applying the creeping economic-financial-demographic expansion, it will gradually “conquer” Russia peacefully ...
    Do not believe? Ask people living not in the Far East, but beyond the Arctic Circle ... They, the Chinese, what do you need in the Arctic? And they are already full there ...
  29. demo
    demo 2 October 2017 20: 33
    +6
    An interesting party is spinning.
    There is only one, but very important nuance.
    China is not a creative nation, so to speak.
    Innovation is not in the blood of the Chinese.
    Copy - yes, they have no equal.
    But to create and invent, alas.
    Living several times in China for three to four months, communicating both in an official setting and in an unofficial one, I understood several basic characteristics of the Chinese.
    The first one. The Chinese do not want to be the first (what if he doesn’t manage to develop and he will lose his face). And he does not want to be the last - for he will be considered slow-witted.
    And that is why the Chinese like to pile up in groups of 30-40 people and communicate with each other.
    The Chinese are not leaders and do not break into leaders.
    And further. The Chinese are not warriors. I am talking about the nation as a whole, and not about the Supreme Council of China.
    It burned out over them for millennia.
    The Chinese have a special passion for honoring superiors. Then I want to swear.
    And without the approval of the boss, not a single Chinese will do anything.
    And despite the fact that Comrade Xi is the head of state, he also went all the way from the "Little Chinese" to the very top.
    And he fears how he wants to have someone who will give him instructions.
    This is at the genetic level.
    You can write a lot on this topic.
    China is not ready to be a leader even in a multipolar world, not to mention becoming a hegemon.
    And again.
    The Chinese think for a very long time.
    Many people think that the thinking speed of the Chinese is the same as ours, of the Russians.
    By no means.
    Slow.
    So for now, the Chinese will make the final decision (and they don’t have one), the guy in Washington will buck a hundred times.
    Let's see what happens in a year.
    Probably the next pompous sabantui in which the Chinese will sing the next "Chinese song" to the Americans (they are sick of singing "Moscow Nights" with them), and the cart will be in the same place.
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 3 October 2017 13: 57
      0
      Creative, do not persuade yourself and us. They are now ahead of the world in patents and utility models. And we where - we are in this (the most important for us now) in the ass!
    2. San Sanych
      San Sanych 3 October 2017 16: 37
      0
      well, such a slow speed of thinking that over the past 20 years, starting in the 1990s, they have increased production for many products to 50% of the global, and for computers, all 80%
  30. kuz363
    kuz363 2 October 2017 20: 44
    +2
    Who's lips rolled out about the eternal friendship with China? Is not Vova?
  31. av58
    av58 2 October 2017 20: 54
    +1
    Strange hysterical article. To affirm and even assume that China will enter into an alliance or partnership with the United States in the hope of leading the world together can only be done if you don’t know the Chinese. The Chinese will never agree to be junior partners, and China will never turn its back on its neighbors, especially Russia. China is a "middle empire" :-) To enter into an alliance, as it is supposed in the article, is possible only if China decides to go into conflict with Russia and leaves the Shanghai organization, which is impossible in principle.
    1. askme
      askme 3 October 2017 07: 11
      +1
      Yes, there are such articles here, many such articles, 90% of the comments are the same. Demoralized people, absolutely not understanding in any world they live, nor even who they are. It is by the level of hysterical comments and articles that everything is visible. Get used to it) In moments of enlightenment, however, such a sober look happens) Well, deep down in the heart there’s still a lot of pure than actually, and one could see events in the world as they are, right ... People just don’t realize about this ... But at times of real danger, a Russian person, as a rule, ceases to bullshit and hysteria and sees everything correctly and strongly) Hence the victory over the centuries and strength ... And hysteria in life just gives the life that we have and which we complain about weaknesses ... In life, the weak and the blind are often strong and all-seeing in battle. Russian paradox ...
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 3 October 2017 13: 59
        0
        Open your eyes and look around. Maybe you’ll stop writing like that. Raising a problem is not a tantrum.
        1. Zloyxirurg
          Zloyxirurg 3 October 2017 17: 10
          +1
          Raise the problem and hysteria miscellaneous - I agree.
          Soberly think and look, and without pink glasses and without a full-eyed look - that's what you need.
  32. nikvic46
    nikvic46 2 October 2017 20: 58
    +1
    Why does China succeed? Firstly, China did not suffer the fate of the Soviet Union. Few people know about the goal of modernization, and
    against whom she was carried out. If the USSR had not gone off the socialist path, but simply declared a new economic
    politics, then we would succeed. The US does not consider China an enemy due to the fact that it pursues a different ideology and has
    trade and business relations. Our liberals cry, we say they are the same capitalists, but you do not recognize us. So besides
    ideology needs flexibility in business relations, and we are engaged in a tug of war instead of a thoughtful game and tight control over internal business. It is precisely by controlling officials and entrepreneurs that China has come to the forefront.
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  34. shvn
    shvn 2 October 2017 21: 42
    0
    Quote: AA17
    Events are starting to develop rapidly. And all this happens before the presidential election in Russia. An interesting analysis - Beijing began to drift toward America. If this is true, then I would like to know as whom or what China is considering Russia (as a meal-maker or food)? The US is under great pressure: "... the US Treasury has announced on November 28 the date of the imposition of new sanctions against Russian banks and oil and gas companies ...", plus "no later than 180 days after the date of entry into force of this law, the Secretary of the Treasury Together with the Director of National Intelligence and the Secretary of State, he submits detailed reports to the relevant congressional committees ... "It can be seen that all these actions are directly related to our elite. One could argue that if it is bad for our banks and the oil and gas sector, it will be bad for all Russian citizens. Consequently, the fate of our country depends on our elite, and I will only observe what our Government intends to do (how it will respond to these challenges). Nothing depends on me in this period of time.
    1. shvn
      shvn 2 October 2017 21: 42
      0
      Have you bought popcorn? Is the beer chilled?
  35. Yanakolos
    Yanakolos 2 October 2017 21: 46
    +1
    AND COMMUNISM OV DOES NOT SCAR ....
  36. Tektor
    Tektor 2 October 2017 22: 01
    +1
    This means that Chinas does not believe in winning our confrontation with the states ... Believes that parity will be violated in favor of s, kmk. Or they’re not sure of themselves: perhaps the states are holding them for something sensitive, and the Chinese were scared. Having given such slack, our yellowstone partners will now be broken. And very sorry, because there was an opportunity to depose the dollar: simply squeezing out of the calculations with the rest of the world. But this option is still preserved ...
  37. Radikal
    Radikal 2 October 2017 22: 02
    +2
    Beijing began to drift towards America
    Who would doubt that! Will unite to "dine" with a pie called Russia .... Then we will pour crocodile tears. that again they got a stab in the back, though it will be too late ... sad
  38. manne mann
    manne mann 3 October 2017 01: 18
    +2
    All the same, the greedy Chinese were lit up, "exceptional"! But as if before they were thrown, they did not use against us, which looks like this!
  39. Serg sh
    Serg sh 3 October 2017 01: 58
    0
    analogy of Margaret Thatcher and Gorbachev in the modern version .. Liu is the future leader of China ..
  40. Berber
    Berber 3 October 2017 08: 39
    +3
    The background of these Chinese actions is very simple. The US market is key to the Chinese economy. It can not be compared with the European market, and even more so Russia. Therefore, bringing down the Americans to China is not profitable. What will happen to China if the US economy collapses. So, there are not even two "hares" here. The dollar is now afloat because it is now beneficial to everyone.
  41. anjey
    anjey 3 October 2017 12: 57
    +1
    Russia certainly does not need such an alliance of Washington and Beijing, all the more so they will obviously be friends against it ...
  42. pafegosoff
    pafegosoff 3 October 2017 13: 59
    0
    Overstock in China, despite increased domestic consumption.
    Further, what is communism like? Read about Mao.
    If Stalin had not defeated the Kwantung Army, China would have long been a US colony with US military bases from the Ussuri Territory to Kazakhstan and with a land army armed with American weapons. Naturally, Vietnam would no longer exist; Half of India, too, is under the United States. And instead of big China, only Taiwan remained. By the way, rapprochement with the United States will begin rapprochement with Formosa ...
    In general, everywhere we throw - everywhere ... Perhaps Russia will save the most severe dictatorship, which was in Korea (South) and Taiwan. Only without gadgets, like Turkmenistan. But in general, all the gain on the collapse of the EU ...
  43. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 3 October 2017 18: 56
    0
    China’s investments in the FSA economy will immediately depreciate as soon as the FSA feels that it is possible to throw a “partner” without harming itself. China too believed in its trade balance with the FSA.
    They will not receive any significant technologies, and the flow of goods and services will be interrupted in case of serious disagreements between the "partners", and this is inevitable. Their interests coincide for about the next 10 years, and during this time the FSA will try to strangle the "partner" in its democratic embrace, because their goal of becoming the "world gendarme" remains at the head of foreign policy! We need to use this time for a breakthrough in economics and technology, but this is m. achieved if natural and human resources are used not for bare consumption, but for development. Which implies a transition to a more planned economy in combination with pragmatic market relations subordinate to this goal, rather than rampant capitalist profits and consumption. hi
  44. mac789
    mac789 5 October 2017 07: 29
    0
    China is a pole of power. With whom he wants with that and works. And rightly so. There is nothing unexpected in this. Here it’s like: either you are a pole of strength, and then you are talking on equal terms with you and you yourself choose with whom to talk and whom to send; or you are a satellite and yapping some kind of garbage on someone else’s command ...
  45. M. Michelson
    M. Michelson 5 October 2017 15: 34
    0
    Well, I have long had the impression that Xi is pushing perestroika in China ... sad
  46. nikvic46
    nikvic46 6 October 2017 23: 03
    0
    Nowadays, unfortunately, anything can happen. But under any circumstances, Russia must rely on its potential.
    scientists, designers, inventors.