At the proving ground near Blagoveshchensk, a soldier shot his colleagues

From the Amur region come alarming reports. Information Agency Interfax reports that during the execution of night combat shooting one of the servicemen used weapon in relation to their fellow officers and commander. As a result of the shooting, two soldiers and one officer were killed, two more servicemen were injured. It is known that the tragedy broke out at one of the ranges of the Eastern Military District. It is reported that the command is trying to find out the reasons that prompted the soldier to open fire. In this case, data on the fate of the gunman is not given.

From the message of the representative of the Ministry of Defense, which leads "Interfax":

As a result of the incident, the officer and two more servicemen were fatally injured, two more servicemen were taken to a medical facility, where they are provided with all necessary assistance.

It became known that the soldier fired a line of automatic weapons at the servicemen who were on the cut-off to reach the firing line.

Local media stated that the shooting soldier was wanted. For his search involved police squads of the Amur region.

Comments

[NEXUS]

Hmm ... officers and foremen on a hat will fly ... relatives and friends of the victims condolences.

[Solomon Kane]

Homeland is waiting for heroes, the "star" gives birth to fools ....
Peace be upon the dead .....

[Observer2014]

Solomon Kane

Homeland is waiting for heroes, the "star" gives birth to fools ...

This, of course, is all clear. But there is one question .. Is this what the guy needed to do to send them to another world? Probably "fed up" guys. So they got between the eyes.

[rumatam]

I am amazed at the current fighters for 1 year and have already bothered. Do they come from home for years?

[Observer2014]

rumatam

I am amazed at the current fighters for 1 year and have already bothered. Do they come from home for years?

Well, what to do. Nobody wants to be cattle. Especially when Kalash is nearby. I wanted to bull. Want to catch a horn in a dull bull head. A machine gun in a weapon is a 100% super equalizer.

[cniza]

We can only guess, but this is Ch.P. which must be thoroughly investigated.

[Verba]

Quote: rumatam

I am amazed at the current fighters for 1 year and have already bothered. Do they come from home for years?

Yes, you can bring it to the edge in a week. As I understand it, there were some Caucasians.

[tomket]

Quote: Willow

As I understand it, there were some Caucasians.

Actually a horseradish sniper is a Caucasian ....

[Solomon Kane]

Why are you tired? The kid outplayed him in Covert Strike, messed up reality and grinned ... or ate "funny vitamins" .... I myself served under the "grandfather's press" for a year, and they lowered my kidneys and tried to blink, etc., but nothing ... and even thoughts there was no shoot at someone ..
... and there wasn’t any mobile phones to call home, now they’re calling my mom on any jamb ..... and they are raising such a nerd, right up to the commander in chief .... so that hazing has nothing to do with ....

[Observer2014]

Solomon Kane

I myself served under the "grandfather's press" for a year, and they lowered my kidneys, and tried to blink, etc., but nothing ... and there weren’t even thoughts to shoot someone ..

This question is philosophical. Some endure. Other of the bulls, per second endured do.

[Solomon Kane]

Seryozha, now the service is under cameras, like reality shows, fathers-commanders have become nurses, God forbid, you raise your voice to someone's child - they will drag ....

[Observer2014]

Solomon Kane

Seryozha, now the service is under cameras, as a reality show

Buddy This is all understandable. But when force majeure occurs. It is wildly unpleasant. Especially to the fathers of the commanders. Well, whoever wanted to. Choose your specialty without adventure. It does not happen. Each specialty has its own characteristics. So you don’t shrug your hands. We’ve got it done. Get it, sign it

[Solomon Kane]

According to the Russian Ministry of Defense, the cause of the soldier’s cruel act could be a nervous breakdown. .

What a breakdown in peacetime? And what if the war? Afghanistan, Chechnya, hang yourself all?
Who should protect the homeland?

[Observer2014]

Solomon Kane

Who should protect the homeland?

Normal adequate people. "Hazing" by the way in the USSR army until the end of the 60s was not. Until the front-line soldiers were in the army .. And they knew how to value human life I myself had an “Afghan” political officer. That’s where the respect and the best memories of the officer are! The army is a mirror image of society. It is necessary to value each other from the cradle. Kindergarten-school-army-life is all interconnected. Presenting some. Letting go of others. Hence this wildness. Kindergarten teacher. Does no less for the country than a company commander. Funny? So far so funny. So far so funny and we get such news.

[Baloo]

Quote: Observer2014

.Need to value each other from the cradle. Kindergarten-school-army-life is all interconnected. Presenting some. Letting go of others. Hence this wildness. Kindergarten teacher. Does no less for the country than a company commander. Funny? So far so funny. So far so funny and we get such news.

Shocked by simple truth. Thank you.

[bobba94]

Each specialty has its own characteristics. In 2009, a major in the US Armed Forces shot fellow workers - 12 killed, 32 wounded.

[voyaka uh]

It was a Palestinian, a Muslim. Nydal Hassan. Committed a terrorist attack.

[XXXIII]

Come on... Maybe all the enemies of Israel in one soldier were ..

[just exp]

so please tell me, what about different horns of dagas and others like that, which are organized by place of residence, and which even officers cannot break because there is support behind the fence too, does the officer also say that they can raise a voice in defense of conscripts? and then somehow the reverse news was recently.

[ibirus]

Kane, are you stupid? The reason for 100 percent - hazing, even if they officially say another.

[cariperpaint]

Yes, what hazing? what are you talking about? they serve a year. year. what grandfathers are there? where do they come from?

[just exp]

Believe me, grandfathers will even serve six months.
the call is older, which means it will already be a grandfather to consider himself, especially the whole kind of Caucasian republics, they begin to bull right after the call.

[cariperpaint]

why should I believe in it if all these changes took place before my eyes?

[urman]

Quote: cariperpaint

Yes, what hazing? what are you talking about? they serve a year. year. what grandfathers are there?

We had a boy alone. Says here they say grandfathers drove the first six months, and when they themselves became grandfathers in six months! We all have jaws dropped, what are such grandfathers? You are the year of everything, serve !. And I lived with this kid on a business trip in the same room, I tell him you damn, you didn’t even learn how to make up the bed, and you’re still upset by the evening. They always waited for him in the morning, to go for breakfast, but had no time for anything. While they did not begin to teach him hard, they stopped waiting, the floors, like everyone else, did not force them to wash. And then ish salag, they were not taught in the army, they had to learn and accustom order to production.

[cariperpaint]

this is not an old hierarchy but an attempt to build a new one. it is all nipped hard.

[urman]

Quote: cariperpaint

this is not an old hierarchy but an attempt to build a new one. it is all nipped hard.

Here I am talking about the same thing, have heard enough, the guys talked and watched a lot of TV.
I’m at the station at one time, when I was on duty, the floors and equipment for my grandfather were cleaned up.
Well, after all, before leaving, leaving, he another time checked everything for me ten times, one time I even overslept such a gathering until he pushed me and thrust me the already assembled bag, with spare antennas and a dry bag, already packed.
Hazing was hazing and the army fellowship, I had a little cold at that time, I didn’t wake me up for two, and he made others go on tiptoes.

[Solomon Kane]

Kane, are you stupid?

You, my dear, have not been taught good manners?
The conversation was about the young generation, not adapted to modern army conditions, it does not matter what - the difficulty of domestic army conditions, physical activity or the notorious "bullying" ...
So, do not let your actions get ahead of your consciousness ...

[Young_Communist]

Solomon Kane himself endured and ordered others

[Stas157]

Quote: Solomon Kane

I myself served under the "grandfather's press" for a year, and they lowered my kidneys, and tried to blink, etc., but nothing ... and there weren’t even thoughts to shoot someone ..

I just can’t understand - are you a hero or suffered?
But someone does not agree when he is pressed, scabbed and his kidneys are lowered. So much so that they are ready either to climb into the noose or to solve the offenders. Obviously, the existing relations in the army do not imply other options!

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Solomon Kane

... I myself served under the "grandfather's press" for a year, and they lowered my kidneys, and tried to frown, etc., but nothing ...

Well, this is a matter of character, someone is used to or was brought up to endure, someone is not. I certainly would have flown off the cut from this.
One of the minuses of my character, I can’t “bend”, even when necessary.

[Polite Moose]

Quote: Observer2014

What did that guy need to do to send them to another world?

I do not presume to say 100%, but I am inclined to the version that this is a response to the unofficial.

[Evgeniy667b]

The shooter is generally credited to the part of 21.09.2017/XNUMX/XNUMX! His homeland is Dagestan.
According to some reports, liquidated during detention

[LAWNER]

And who would let him talk?

[vovanpain]

Condolences to the dead, wounded, speedy recovery. I hope they will understand the reasons.

In this case, data on the fate of the shooter is not given.

And right there

Local media stated that the shooting soldier was wanted. For his search involved police squads of the Amur region.

On the run means.

[Baloo]

Quote: vovanpain

On the run mean

With 4 shops. Malyava with AUE and went to the partisans? Sadly, the parents of the dead, wounded and this guy with 4 shops and machine guns on the run condolences.
In our area there was something similar. A guy and a friend rushed from a unit in a neighboring region because of a girl. Random people were killed on the way. Since the endpoint was known, they were still stopped. Policemen were injured. It is not entirely clear that these two shot themselves or were blocked in an abandoned house, but they did not reach the house. Potential psychopaths prone to such acts must be calculated using tests before VVC. DOSAAF must be revived in the form that was in the USSR. With the help of tests, it is possible to determine the abilities for a particular military profession in advance, through DOSAAF at least some preliminary training is carried out.

[ID90]

Quote: Balu

Potential psychopaths prone to such acts must be calculated using tests before VVC. DOSAAF must be revived in the form that was in the USSR. With the help of tests, it is possible to determine the abilities for a particular military profession in advance, through DOSAAF at least some preliminary training is carried out.

only the contract will remove this crap.
a man from under a stick cannot serve well.
let those who like it serve.

[Baloo]

Quote: ID90

only the contract will remove this crap.
a man from under a stick cannot serve well.
let those who like it serve.

By itself. Only weapons can’t be trusted by anyone. Potential loonies need to be screened out - I'm about it.

[Foundling]

In-in! I remember in the middle of the 80's for three months with a rifle "on the belt" in the sports and shooting club fell through the line of fire before the ammunition was issued. But then no one counted them and everything was free. As a result, in 11 years I was shot by a belly and there was no longer any desire to indulge with weapons

[Stas157]

Quote: Balu

Potential psychopaths prone to such actions need to be calculated using tests

Or maybe just get rid of hazing in the army?

[Baloo]

Quote: Stas157

Or maybe just get rid of hazing in the army?

Is it possible? The grandson is smart, kind, honest, right, small. He is a classmate in the class, he has 4 brothers, a judo fighter, and a prize-winner at international competitions. They are both 10 years old. My grandson is half a head taller. And their relationship did not go smoothly from the first class. Well, a grandson cannot hit in the face, kind and decent too. So direct at least to another school.
What to do? Speak hazing? Life is a competition, survives strong, purposeful, persistent, aggressive. The grandson goes to karate for the second year, before that they had a group in the kindergarten. And alas, so far without it being successful, training is a game for him, misses punches, and he does not understand that sport is a struggle. Now they have begun to drive basketball. So for a few workouts, the guy pulled himself up, became more focused, more aggressive.
How to overcome hazing in the Army? Here the captain was lying with us, I don’t know what special forces. On vacation, a rather difficult fracture. While being treated, do you think he was worried about his leg? No, I was worried that one fighter did not teach this, another something else. The third is still doing something bad. Like this. And I am sure that for such commanders the fighters will give their lives and will not leave the dead, they will endure. And yet, before the army, the guy according to the reviews was still a bully, the army saved from prison. When they took anti-crustin together, we were the most humane and could swear, but he didn’t. Not a word of mate. Everything rests on such commanders.
And look at YouTube as it educates cadets in one of the former higher military schools. I even know one of the videos in which former school was shot.
Thin is a thing psychology.

[VALERIK_097]

he didn’t run away from Boar, the same one, and they will find this, no matter how cynically committed suicide.

[Maz]

, how long to? Zadovbali this hazing

[Baloo]

Quote: NEXUS

Hmm ... officers and foremen on a hat will fly ... relatives and friends of the victims condolences.

You need to start with a psychiatrist at the place of recruitment.

[VALERIK_097]

Ball, now workers in hazardous industries are forced to take psychotests three times a year. You have no idea how it infuriates.
Link to 218 st.TK (but it is written there, at least 1 time in 5 years)
To me, as a small leader, as a sickle in one place.

[Baloo]

Quote: VALERIK_097

Ball, now workers in hazardous industries are forced to take psychotests three times a year. You have no idea how it infuriates.
Link to 218 st.TK (but it is written there, at least 1 time in 5 years)
To me, as a small leader, as a sickle in one place.

It’s necessary Valera. Better overeat than oversleep.

[Msta]

Most likely, hazing again. The mess in the army began back in the USSR, when criminals began to be drafted into the army. If you call the criminals, then immediately to the disbath. It's time to burn prison orders in the army.

[oldseaman1957]

Quote: Msta

... Most likely, hazing again ...

- 99%! 21st century and everything on the old rake! It's a shame ...

[Solomon Kane]

What hazing? They serve 1 year, 2 in 1, a scoop and immediately demobilization .....
Fucking youth, ancestors kissed in the ass, they all through the "prism" of game consoles, beer and laughing gas .....
Normal boys serve and nothing .... even the extra urgent remain ....

[Msta]

Previously, they served more, but the mess was not in all parts. No matter how much they serve now, there will always be those who will build themselves up as Rambo and humiliate others if they are not pulled in a timely manner, especially if this audience managed to leave alone, or even several prison terms up to 18 years and draft in the army. As soon as the army ceases to call the convicts, order in the army will immediately increase.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Msta

Previously and more served, but the mess was not in all parts

My father served in the rocket forces in the 63rd ... 3 years! Then they served in the Navy for 4 years. And no one complained.
And about hazing today ... well, I beg you, a year of service. What nafig hazing. After the incident with the guy who was beaten up and lost his legs, the whole com with the elders were so swollen that now they are afraid to utter a word.

[Msta]

You do not compare 63 years and now. If you served at least in the late 80s, or in the 90s you would be in the know.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Msta

If you served at least in the late 80s, or in the 90s you would be in the know.

I served in 92 ... questions? Transnistria ... doesn’t say anything?

[Msta]

Transnistria is a different topic. There the war and everyone understands that if you become impudent you will be shot by your own, in the very first battle. And in the barracks, the parts are decomposing.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Msta

And in the barracks, the parts decompose

In the barracks, people are decomposed if foremen, warrant officers and lieutenants do not catch mice, and to the lantern they see what happens in the barracks ... then hazing, fraternity, shooting, shoots with military weapons, etc. begin ...

[Msta]

I agree, but a lot depends on the one who was recruited as a soldier. Now you can’t just get on your lip, they played democracy in the Russian Federation.

[Normal ok]

Quote: Msta

Transnistria is a different topic. There the war and everyone understands that if you become impudent you will be shot by your own, in the very first battle.

There have been no military operations there for more than 20 years. What year do you read newspapers?

[Msta]

There was a war and it’s not calm now ... But a man there did not serve yesterday.

[Normal ok]

Quote: Msta

There was a war and now it’s not calm ...

Not calm in Moldova. And then politically. There is no war. And you wrote above about literal war:

Quote: Msta

Transnistria is a different topic. There the war and everyone understands that if you become impudent you will be shot by your own, in the very first battle.

[verner1967]

Quote: Msta

There is a war and everyone understands

yeah, all this fairy tales, in Afghanistan hazing was a mother do not cry, even those who went to combat.

[Msta]

I won’t argue, but they fired at the military, especially the arrogant ones, only on the way.

[verner1967]

Quote: Msta

they shot their own, only on the road.

and how many thousands of people executed this way? Individual cases are not the rule.

[Baloo]

Quote: NEXUS

I served in 92 ... questions? Transnistria ... doesn’t say anything?

[KOMA]

Hazing is nothing to do with, just debil!

[Msta]

Just stupid people climb into the noose and shoot themselves, from the fact that the girl on the civilian did not wait ...

[vovanpain]

Quote: Msta

there will always be those who will build themselves Rambo

There can be many reasons for Colleagues! And the girl got out of bed and got rammed up and got everything and everything and tore it from her mother’s skirt, and here the harsh reality anything can be, now it is necessary to catch it and to understand the reasons, if you leave with the weapon, it can do a lot of business.

[Msta]

If it was a girl who married a civilian, then she would just run away, maybe with a gun to deal with her and her opponent at home, or put a bullet in her forehead. It's definitely not about women's skirts.

[verner1967]

Quote: Msta

It's time to burn prison orders in the army.

as they used to say: The army is a section of society. So the criminal orders must be burned out precisely in society, then they will not be in the army.

[Msta]

In society, a criminal does not have the right to buy a gun for hunting, and I don’t understand why in the army criminals trust weapons more seriously than a hunting rifle ... Everything should be natural. Shovel in the teeth and in the disbat, let the criminals at the cutting areas fight with their own kind. And in the event of a war, in a penal battalion and the first on enemy machine guns. By the way, in the German Wehrmacht, a soldier who fell in a penal battalion served there until the end of the war, and not until the first wound, as in the USSR. That was right.

[verner1967]

Quote: Msta

In society, the criminal does not have the right to buy a gun for hunting

Do you know that the overwhelming majority of murders are committed with kitchen knives? Of course, criminals should not serve in the army, but this is not a solution to all problems.

[verner1967]

Quote: Msta

a soldier who fell into the penal battalion served there until the end of the war, and not until the first wound, as in the USSR. That was right.

I don’t see anything right in this, we have a system of upbringing and correction, and not just punishing, otherwise, what to put criminals in, immediately to the wall and that's it.

[svp67]

It is reported that the command is trying to find out the reasons that prompted the soldier to open fire.

And why didn’t you see them before?
Boy, boy, what have you done ... So much trouble brought. It is a pity that there was no person nearby who could stop you and help you.
Condolences to the families of the victims.

[Solomon Kane]

Young animals went unbalanced, spoiled, the slightest everyday turmoil - they immediately begin, then at school they would shoot at classmates, then in the army at colleagues ...

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Solomon Kane

Young animals went unbalanced, spoiled, the slightest everyday turmoil - they immediately begin, then at school they would shoot at classmates, then in the army at colleagues ...

The army is a section of society, how to explain to today's boys that blood is not water.
A sick army cannot have a healthy army.
and the guy himself is not happy that he did .., will shoot himself most likely ...

[Mih1974]

Yes, maybe it was a "proud mountain kazel", they broke his horns and how they "convinced" everyone to serve, to go to the outfit and tore out toilets. Such things flies off the coils at once, “pride” boils in one place.

[gorenina91]

-Yes, most likely it is ...- since they so "tactfully" kept silent about the "details" ... -It will get to my "Caucasian place" soon, and then no one will give it away ... -More and he took the machine with him ... -will now be there "to walk in heroes" ...

[sabakina]

Right now he was driving in a car, on the radio they called his name. In general, a dag from the Kizlyar district.

[Stas157]

Quote: Mih1974

Yes, maybe it was a "proud mountain kazel", they’ve broken his horns

Is this a joke? Caucasians themselves who you want to break the horns! Build up to the officers. Is it just that until recently they refused to take them into the army?

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Stas157

Build up to officers

Is this your own experience or from Pedivikia?

[Stas157]

Quote: Golovan Jack

Is this your own experience or from Pedivikia?

Heard. I did not serve in the army. And that guy really turned out to be a Caucasian. So they definitely broke the horns.

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Stas157

Heard. I did not serve in the army

Then at least IMHO insert do not forget to place ...
I have, for example, the proud children of the mountains washed the floors in the guard (if necessary ) - at a time. And at the same time they never shot me (well, yes, subject to certain security measures).
If a fighter “caught up” an officer, this is not a plus for the fighter, it is a predatory minus to the officer.
I’m talking about it exactly, if that.
And what you didn’t serve - you couldn’t say it, you can see the bird by litter, sorry my French

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Golovan Jack

If a fighter “caught up” an officer, this is not a plus for the fighter, it is a predatory minus to the officer.

Truth the truth!

[Doliva63]

Well yes. And the rest of the company officers look and rub their hands, or what? This is a fat minus to the company and all officers, and not to one, because the problems in the company are solved together. Are you sure you were an officer in the Armed Forces?

[rumatam]

medical board under trial and psychologists.

[pilot306]

So he escaped with a gun and several horns.

[Nashensky city]

Quote: pilot306

So he escaped with a gun and several horns.

If so then the guy is no longer a tenant

[Doliva63]

No, those who are attracted to the Evil team are offered to give up first. This was recorded already in the 80s. If he continues to bull, then not a tenant, yes.

[Nashensky city]

It depends on what the story was. From hopelessness, maybe he himself ....

[Kerensky]

Hm! I would not be so categorical. Some kinder children have good folders that bring to the attention that the horns are on the soup, and the vending machine has shops ...
I will not dissemble, - he transferred, as far as possible, skills and abilities ....

[1vlad19]

Quote: pilot306

and a few horns.

Where are the few horns? At the point of delivery of ammunition for conscripts, they either give out a horn with 12 rounds or equip the store itself. You come to the landfill with an empty pouch. What kind of mess is there in Amurka?

[Doliva63]

At other times, outfit was given out equipped shops in accordance with the conditions of the shooting exercises. And no other way. We were given 2 stores - one 15 rounds, the second 20. To learn how to keep records and change stores on the go.

[newcomer]

a serious and sad outcome. relatives of the victims of condolences, the wounded speedy recovery. debriefing will be cool.

[Cadet]

The mess most likely began in the USSR not because of the call of criminals, but because of the indifference of the senior in rank to their subordinates and when at that time people went to the Army to receive benefits, a good salary.

[Msta]

It was an appeal to the army of criminals that led to the fact that prison orders migrated to the army, and the mess in the officer corps aggravated this.

[Cadet]

I agree with you, but not in everything, criminal orders and habits can be imposed by people who are not gray-haired and are not involved, who just simply absorbed this behavior from people around them since childhood and have no idea that they can live and communicate differently. Regarding the execution, let the investigation deal with this.

[Msta]

People who have absorbed, as you say, prison orders since childhood, have already managed to serve time in prison by the age of 18 by a youngster. Their behavior is appropriate wherever they appear.

[Cadet]

I won’t argue and don’t want to, as I observed from the side that some people of criminal views and manners can never sit out and be attracted, since they are friends with the head in the sense of a cunning .... e.

[Msta]

It only says that not everyone in our country is being planted, whom they should and vice versa, sometimes they are planting those who are not needed ... I remember this from school. Moreover, my predictions, for some, came true completely. Some sat right after school. There were fans of us who mocked at newcomers transferred from other schools and teachers turned a blind eye to this, including because among them were relatives of criminals recidivists, which, in my opinion, should not be at school. They should be sent to special schools with deuces in behavior so that those who do not want to study do not interfere with others, and among teachers and officers there should not be relatives of criminals, and even more so nurses.

[Cadet]

You definitely wrote. After training, our soldier got into another military unit, his grandfathers began to abuse him, he was a sports guy, he put up with it, put up with it and maimed them, they put him in because of one of the senior officers, his mother worked in the regional administration and the second uncle was a deputy. Logistics support of the district. There, the sergeant broke a couple of ribs of a soldier and collarbone because he did not find (gave birth) a cigarette to him, they lowered the sergeant by one nozzle and sent him to serve in another company, and gave him a week to go home with his mother and our mother has a head doctor. Justice it is different.

[Maz]

What are you talking about here. Send me there with a trail, it turns out that in the barracks at night a mess, the warrant officers and officers scored everything plus the shortage of personnel in the Amur hole.

[Cadet]

Probably many people wanted to write these words, but did not, otherwise it will begin about the length of service and how dare you write it, etc.

[Viktor.12.71]

Quote: Msta

prison orders migrated to the army,

Yes, but now it’s 1 year. We in Kazakhstan have a problem with degenerates who remained to serve under the contract, scum that there are no words. We have a kid on a neighboring outpost, he killed his life because of such cattle. Chasing these loafers, but no good, sheep are lousy.

[Des10]

If a normal person, humiliated by nationality, fraternity, the law of power and other reasons, --- has a weapon in his hands --- he can use it.
Because --- CAN.
And all the tales about the lack of reasons (above) are traditional propaganda.
And so - little information. Or a Caucasian, or, say, a Russian-speaking could not stand it ...
And so - sorry for the mothers ...

[Volodin]

Quote: Des10

or, say, Russian-language could not resist...

And what else could be in the modern Russian army? Non-african speaking

[Des10]

Did you serve?

[Volodin]

Quote: Des10

Did you serve?

So exactly

And you?

The name of the gunman has been established: Hasan Abdulakhadov (Caucasian and, of course, Russian-speaking).

For reference: in the modern Russian army do not call people who do not know the Russian language.

[Mih1974]

Well, this is what was to be expected - “the soul could not stand”, it seemed that the tremors had been forced to scrub and peel potatoes. Such ones should be "in an attempt to escape" and to landfills only when an officer with weapons is ready for preparation behind his back.

[Baloo]

Quote: Volodin

The name of the gunman has been established: Hasan Abdulakhadov (Caucasian and, of course, Russian-speaking).

Did you find Anasha?

[Des10]

Quote: Volodin

And you?

Yeah, a month like retirement.
For the rest - there is no desire, to be honest, to discuss, tired.
Of course you are right about the first, and about the knowledge of the Russian language.
Good luck and health.

[Herculesic]

I am sorry for the families of the victims, the health of the wounded, and the “runner” flew at least to the “wad” if he did not meet the bullet during detention ...

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Herkulesich

if you don’t meet the bullet during the detention ...

And who needs him alive now?

[Doliva63]

For the court.
And from practice - if you didn’t give up, they were washed into powder without risk to those around them. But there were also options.

[Bronevick]

As usual hazing. Condolences to the families of the deceased and the family of this guy for having broken his life.

[Mih1974]

What hazing - read the name and patronymic !! the "proud hurts" turned out to be measured against the fact that "not cooler than a boiled egg" but like all meat and bones. The mess is still going on with the upbringing in the mountains, these are the kazly from there appear.

[cariperpaint]

she is not there as a class now. there is a more modern version of it, who is stronger then right. during the service of 1 year, this whole hierarchy collapsed as a species. Now a new chip, as in any society. there are always those whom teachers at school called future criminals. unmanageable personalities with fully turned landmarks. but if earlier they had the opportunity to stall with the help of old-timers and the staff, now it’s all more difficult.

[Mih1974]

Here only an American joke with a “sergeant” will help, well, this is the one that sleeps and sleeps with the young and sees and smells everyone in advance, but even then it is not a fact that it will help. Unless you can have time to “write off” such people before he knows such a thing.

[dvina71]

Quote: Maz

, how long to? Zadovbali this hazing

Yeah .. and the officer is the main grandfather .. and another question .. what could be hazing in one call? .. if it's a draftee. Here, either the psychologist in the military registration and enlistment office should go to the relatives of the victims to explain what and how .., or on religious grounds ..

[Polite Moose]

Quote: dvina71

and another question .. what could be hazing in one call?

But are conscripts and contract soldiers not serving in the same army in the same army?

[raid14]

According to available information, the soldier, Corporal Abdulakhadov Hasan Omarovich, born in 1994, is a native of the Republic of Dagestan. He served as a driver - an electrician of a radio company of a communications company in a linear battalion from the end of September 2017.
© Link to belogorsk.rf required: http://belogorck.ru/novosti/segodnya-v-gorode/312
38-2017-09-29

[Oznob]

It’s too early to draw conclusions, although they are so obvious, they are very persistently asking for help.

[Krasnyiy komissar]

Criminals can only be used in penal companies during the war, but calling them in peacetime is extremely reckless. If hazing is the case, then the victims themselves are to blame for what happened (I do not condone the deserter and the murderer). The army is not a prison, therefore there should not be lawlessness in it.

[Olegovi4]

Quote: Krasnyiy komissar

If hazing is the case, then the victims themselves are to blame for what happened (

fucking logic. they will hand you over, but you yourself are to blame. and seriously think that it’s precisely the dead riley of this abrek? stood at once in one turn. yeah. if there was anyone, then one or two. the rest were just unlucky to be around.

[Krasnyiy komissar]

A person will not be so easy to shoot at his colleagues, if he has everything in order with his head. If a soldier was demolished due to a mental illness, then the psychiatrist in the military enlistment office should be sent to eat the balance for five years, but if he was brought about by lawless people, then the commander is to blame.
My father served in the special forces of the Strategic Missile Forces in the early 80's. Even then hazing bloomed in double color. Out of habit, grandfathers tried to leave on someone else's hump, i.e. make the young to plow on themselves. My dad answered their "Wishlist" with a "sending" on foot erotic, since he graduated from a sports school before the army. One grandfather broke the grunt, but he himself got it from the old-timers. They threatened that they would kill him in the barracks, which he regretted a little later. One grandfather flew down the stairs, and the second was cut off a piece of fat from the belly with a bayonet-knife from AKMS. The father said that next time he would tear open the belly of a belly like canned food. They didn’t touch him anymore. If they climbed again, there would be corpses. Here is a story.

[Egorovich]

Every family has its black sheep.

[Doliva63]

What is a cut-off for access to the firing line?

[cariperpaint]

oh ... something tells me that there is an idiotic sloppiness someone is trying to cover up with a version about the breakdown ...

[Normal ok]

Hazing however.

[Mwg]

And the reason is banal - an irregular relationship with the connivance of an officer. The boy was broken ...

[Botanikas]

At the beginning of the year there was a kind of incident with a hung fighter in this unit ...

[Awaz]

Unfortunately, judging by the name, again the shepherds began to give weapons ....

[Old military officer]

Quote: Msta

Most likely, hazing again. The mess in the army began back in the USSR, when criminals began to be drafted into the army. If you call the criminals, then immediately to the disbath. It's time to burn prison orders in the army.

Yes sir. If I’m not mistaken, the work of the blessed Nikita Sergeyevich. It was he who first began to call them to the building battalion.

[Msta]

Here, the convicts should be called up to the construction battalion, so that they served exclusively with their own kind in the north, and in the event of a war of all, in the penal battalion, until the end of the war, as in the Wehrmacht, and not before the first wound, as in the USSR. only for those who are in favor of exceeding self-defense. I would have freed these people altogether, they are sitting for no reason.

[Golovan Jack]

Mstathrow thump already

Quote: Msta

in the construction battalion of convicts and you need to call, and so that they served exclusively with their own kind and in the north

"Summon convicts" - this is extremely enchanting.
“And in the North” - shows that you have never served. I can tell you (quite specifically) a couple of places where serving is even more uncomfortable than in the "north" you mentioned.

Quote: Msta

all in a penal battalion, until the end of the war, as in the Wehrmacht, and not until the first wound, as in the USSR

You draw knowledge from Wiki, a campaign ...

Quote: Msta

An exception can be made only for those who are in favor of exceeding self-defense. I would have freed these people altogether, they’re sitting for nothing

Never? Well, not always, not always, you know ...
In short, a student: stop thumping, it’s necessary - call a narcologist, they will make you drops, and sleep ... SPAAAAAT (c) Kashpirovsky

[Young_Communist]

At the proving ground near Blagoveshchensk, a soldier shot his colleagues

Maybe he was just Bendera?

[Cadet]

He was a freemason, unfortunately.

[Baloo]

Quote: Cadet

He was a freemason, unfortunately

He was an alien

[XXXIII]

Yes there are greyhounds grandfathers ..... Everything is simple and not simple there, shot, it means the situation was not smooth .... I think those who fell into the arm (two wounded), the other two are clearly aimed compartment .... It’s a pity what happened, even valerian won't help relatives now .... So a full conclusion can be made only after investigating all the details, but this is the army, they may not say all the details .....

[Mih1974]

This kazla has already been transferred for show-offs, here it is evidently “convinced” that all the animals are equal, here it flew off the coils. Not to hell with him, "dog death dog."

[drunkram]

Another reason to tighten the medical commission for conscription in the army and to weed out for any signs of mental disorders and to take only healthy young people. Yes, the call will decrease, but it is not needed too much, the future is under the contract

[ID90]

Quote: drunkram

Another reason to tighten the medical commission for conscription in the army and to weed out for any signs of mental disorders and to take only healthy young people. Yes, the call will decrease, but it is not needed too much, the future is under the contract

remove the call.
and do not call on the children of the Caucasus.

[XXXIII]

And they seemed to be given the opportunity to serve in the place, since faith has long been so kind of ....

[ID90]

Quote: XXXIII

And they seemed to be given the opportunity to serve in the place, since faith has long been so kind of ....

already in marines shepherds appeared.

[drunkram]

you don’t have to completely remove it, this is a great opportunity to train the future contractor, and there will be nobody to put in the Airborne Forces. In addition, military service raises the patriotic mood of youth

[Surg]

Quote: Solomon Kane

Seryozha, now the service is under cameras, like reality shows, fathers-commanders have become nurses, God forbid, you raise your voice to someone's child - they will drag ....

No one will drag anyone there. A friend just quit, he served as a contracted dentist. for 3 years he was dragged in 5 parts. The commanding officers of the units issue bonuses to the officers, they take it all themselves. The dentist constantly., Then he sewed the knife, then beat him to the unconscious state of the soladt. Commanders to chew on everyone. He, as an officer, was not even given a winter uniform; on the parade ground at -30 he stood in the autumn. I had to buy for my money. It was all the vicinity of Novosibirsk and Yekaterinburg.

[tsvetkov1274]

Quote: Surg

Quote: Solomon Kane

Seryozha, now the service is under cameras, like reality shows, fathers-commanders have become nurses, God forbid, you raise your voice to someone's child - they will drag ....

No one will drag anyone there. A friend just quit, he served as a contracted dentist. for 3 years he was dragged in 5 parts. The commanding officers of the units issue bonuses to the officers, they take it all themselves. The dentist constantly., Then he sewed the knife, then beat him to the unconscious state of the soladt. Commanders to chew on everyone. He, as an officer, was not even given a winter uniform; on the parade ground at -30 he stood in the autumn. I had to buy for my money. It was all the vicinity of Novosibirsk and Yekaterinburg.

It was all the vicinity of Novosibirsk and Yekaterinburg.

[tsvetkov1274]

immediately seen ,, mishandled ,,

[Baloo]

Quote: tsvetkov1274

immediately seen ,, mishandled ,,

Talk to the officers who served in Totsk in the 2000s. You will learn a lot about fuel and radio stations, and much more.

[egsp]

This is what happens when officers nas_at a soldier, especially in Ratania. Who served he knows.
Against the background of admiration from our army over the past 3 years, I can add that soldiers (conscripts) are fighting mercilessly in the airborne forces for all crap, according to recently demobilized.

[tolmachiev51]

try for a year, from a computer moron. make a fighter !!! ???

[tolmachiev51]

Already shot !!! But that’s not the point, it’s time to somehow protect the Sun from such “Dagiks”. Any part where they are is experiencing similar problems.

[astronom1973n]

Quote: Surg

He, as an officer, was not even given a winter uniform; on the parade ground at -30 he stood in the autumn. I had to buy for my money. It was all the vicinity of Novosibirsk and Yekaterinburg.

The part number in the studio, comrade or ... Mr.? Absolute nonsense.

[Msta]

Normal ok,
There was a war and now on the verge