At the proving ground near Blagoveshchensk, a soldier shot his colleagues

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From the Amur region come alarming reports. Information Agency Interfax reports that during the execution of night combat shooting one of the servicemen used weapon in relation to their fellow officers and commander. As a result of the shooting, two soldiers and one officer were killed, two more servicemen were injured. It is known that the tragedy broke out at one of the ranges of the Eastern Military District. It is reported that the command is trying to find out the reasons that prompted the soldier to open fire. In this case, data on the fate of the gunman is not given.

From the message of the representative of the Ministry of Defense, which leads "Interfax":
As a result of the incident, the officer and two more servicemen were fatally injured, two more servicemen were taken to a medical facility, where they are provided with all necessary assistance.




At the proving ground near Blagoveshchensk, a soldier shot his colleagues


It became known that the soldier fired a line of automatic weapons at the servicemen who were on the cut-off to reach the firing line.

Local media stated that the shooting soldier was wanted. For his search involved police squads of the Amur region.
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  1. +13
    29 September 2017 17: 51
    Hmm ... officers and foremen on a hat will fly ... relatives and friends of the victims condolences.
    1. +11
      29 September 2017 17: 55
      Homeland is waiting for heroes, the "star" gives birth to fools ....
      Peace be upon the dead .....
      1. +28
        29 September 2017 18: 37
        Solomon Kane hi
        Homeland is waiting for heroes, the "star" gives birth to fools ...
        This, of course, is all clear. But there is one question .. Is this what the guy needed to do to send them to another world? Probably "fed up" guys. So they got between the eyes.
        1. +9
          29 September 2017 18: 41
          I am amazed at the current fighters for 1 year and have already bothered. Do they come from home for years?
          1. +20
            29 September 2017 18: 49
            rumatam
            I am amazed at the current fighters for 1 year and have already bothered. Do they come from home for years?
            Well, what to do. Nobody wants to be cattle. Especially when Kalash is nearby. I wanted to bull. Want to catch a horn in a dull bull head. A machine gun in a weapon is a 100% super equalizer.
            1. +3
              29 September 2017 18: 51
              We can only guess, but this is Ch.P. which must be thoroughly investigated.
          2. +2
            29 September 2017 19: 38
            Quote: rumatam
            I am amazed at the current fighters for 1 year and have already bothered. Do they come from home for years?

            Yes, you can bring it to the edge in a week. As I understand it, there were some Caucasians.
            1. +1
              30 September 2017 01: 00
              Quote: Willow
              As I understand it, there were some Caucasians.

              Actually a horseradish sniper is a Caucasian ....
        2. +17
          29 September 2017 18: 48
          Why are you tired? The kid outplayed him in Covert Strike, messed up reality and grinned ... or ate "funny vitamins" .... I myself served under the "grandfather's press" for a year, and they lowered my kidneys and tried to blink, etc., but nothing ... and even thoughts there was no shoot at someone ..
          ... and there wasn’t any mobile phones to call home, now they’re calling my mom on any jamb ..... and they are raising such a nerd, right up to the commander in chief .... so that hazing has nothing to do with ....
          1. +15
            29 September 2017 18: 53
            Solomon Kane
            I myself served under the "grandfather's press" for a year, and they lowered my kidneys, and tried to blink, etc., but nothing ... and there weren’t even thoughts to shoot someone ..
            This question is philosophical. Some endure. Other of the bulls, per second endured do. hi
            1. +9
              29 September 2017 19: 02
              Seryozha, now the service is under cameras, like reality shows, fathers-commanders have become nurses, God forbid, you raise your voice to someone's child - they will drag ....
              1. +6
                29 September 2017 19: 13
                Solomon Kane
                Seryozha, now the service is under cameras, as a reality show
                Buddy This is all understandable. But when force majeure occurs. It is wildly unpleasant. Especially to the fathers of the commanders. Well, whoever wanted to. Choose your specialty without adventure. It does not happen. Each specialty has its own characteristics. So you don’t shrug your hands. We’ve got it done. Get it, sign it hi
                1. +5
                  29 September 2017 19: 36

                  According to the Russian Ministry of Defense, the cause of the soldier’s cruel act could be a nervous breakdown. .

                  What a breakdown in peacetime? And what if the war? Afghanistan, Chechnya, hang yourself all?
                  Who should protect the homeland?
                  1. +22
                    29 September 2017 20: 09
                    Solomon Kane
                    Who should protect the homeland?
                    Normal adequate people. "Hazing" by the way in the USSR army until the end of the 60s was not. Until the front-line soldiers were in the army .. And they knew how to value human life hi I myself had an “Afghan” political officer. That’s where the respect and the best memories of the officer are! The army is a mirror image of society. It is necessary to value each other from the cradle. Kindergarten-school-army-life is all interconnected. Presenting some. Letting go of others. Hence this wildness. Kindergarten teacher. Does no less for the country than a company commander. Funny? So far so funny. So far so funny and we get such news.
                    1. +5
                      29 September 2017 20: 50
                      Quote: Observer2014
                      .Need to value each other from the cradle. Kindergarten-school-army-life is all interconnected. Presenting some. Letting go of others. Hence this wildness. Kindergarten teacher. Does no less for the country than a company commander. Funny? So far so funny. So far so funny and we get such news.

                      Shocked by simple truth. drinks hi Thank you. hi
                2. +2
                  29 September 2017 20: 04
                  Each specialty has its own characteristics. In 2009, a major in the US Armed Forces shot fellow workers - 12 killed, 32 wounded.
                  1. +1
                    29 September 2017 23: 23
                    It was a Palestinian, a Muslim. Nydal Hassan. Committed a terrorist attack.
                    1. +2
                      29 September 2017 23: 29
                      Come on... laughing Maybe all the enemies of Israel in one soldier were .. lol
              2. 0
                29 September 2017 20: 15
                so please tell me, what about different horns of dagas and others like that, which are organized by place of residence, and which even officers cannot break because there is support behind the fence too, does the officer also say that they can raise a voice in defense of conscripts? and then somehow the reverse news was recently.
          2. +12
            29 September 2017 19: 09
            Kane, are you stupid? The reason for 100 percent - hazing, even if they officially say another.
            1. 0
              29 September 2017 19: 24
              Yes, what hazing? what are you talking about? they serve a year. year. what grandfathers are there? where do they come from?
              1. +7
                29 September 2017 20: 16
                Believe me, grandfathers will even serve six months.
                the call is older, which means it will already be a grandfather to consider himself, especially the whole kind of Caucasian republics, they begin to bull right after the call.
                1. +1
                  30 September 2017 04: 01
                  why should I believe in it if all these changes took place before my eyes?
              2. +2
                29 September 2017 22: 22
                Quote: cariperpaint
                Yes, what hazing? what are you talking about? they serve a year. year. what grandfathers are there?

                We had a boy alone. Says here they say grandfathers drove the first six months, and when they themselves became grandfathers in six months! We all have jaws dropped, what are such grandfathers? You are the year of everything, serve !. And I lived with this kid on a business trip in the same room, I tell him you damn, you didn’t even learn how to make up the bed, and you’re still upset by the evening. They always waited for him in the morning, to go for breakfast, but had no time for anything. While they did not begin to teach him hard, they stopped waiting, the floors, like everyone else, did not force them to wash. And then ish salag, they were not taught in the army, they had to learn and accustom order to production.
                1. +1
                  30 September 2017 04: 02
                  this is not an old hierarchy but an attempt to build a new one. it is all nipped hard.
                  1. 0
                    30 September 2017 07: 35
                    Quote: cariperpaint
                    this is not an old hierarchy but an attempt to build a new one. it is all nipped hard.

                    Here I am talking about the same thing, have heard enough, the guys talked and watched a lot of TV.
                    I’m at the station at one time, when I was on duty, the floors and equipment for my grandfather were cleaned up.
                    Well, after all, before leaving, leaving, he another time checked everything for me ten times, one time I even overslept such a gathering laughing until he pushed me and thrust me the already assembled bag, with spare antennas and a dry bag, already packed.
                    Hazing was hazing and the army fellowship, I had a little cold at that time, I didn’t wake me up for two, and he made others go on tiptoes.
            2. +8
              29 September 2017 19: 48
              Kane, are you stupid?

              You, my dear, have not been taught good manners?
              The conversation was about the young generation, not adapted to modern army conditions, it does not matter what - the difficulty of domestic army conditions, physical activity or the notorious "bullying" ...
              So, do not let your actions get ahead of your consciousness ...
            3. +2
              29 September 2017 21: 03
              Solomon Kane himself endured and ordered others laughing
          3. +5
            29 September 2017 21: 33
            Quote: Solomon Kane
            I myself served under the "grandfather's press" for a year, and they lowered my kidneys, and tried to blink, etc., but nothing ... and there weren’t even thoughts to shoot someone ..

            I just can’t understand - are you a hero or suffered?
            But someone does not agree when he is pressed, scabbed and his kidneys are lowered. So much so that they are ready either to climb into the noose or to solve the offenders. Obviously, the existing relations in the army do not imply other options!
          4. 0
            29 September 2017 23: 57
            Quote: Solomon Kane
            ... I myself served under the "grandfather's press" for a year, and they lowered my kidneys, and tried to frown, etc., but nothing ...

            Well, this is a matter of character, someone is used to or was brought up to endure, someone is not. request I certainly would have flown off the cut from this.
            One of the minuses of my character, I can’t “bend”, even when necessary. recourse
        3. +7
          29 September 2017 19: 10
          Quote: Observer2014
          What did that guy need to do to send them to another world?

          I do not presume to say 100%, but I am inclined to the version that this is a response to the unofficial.
        4. 0
          30 September 2017 03: 31
          The shooter is generally credited to the part of 21.09.2017/XNUMX/XNUMX! His homeland is Dagestan.
          According to some reports, liquidated during detention
          1. 0
            30 September 2017 06: 29
            And who would let him talk?
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    2. +8
      29 September 2017 18: 02
      Condolences to the dead, wounded, speedy recovery. I hope they will understand the reasons.
      In this case, data on the fate of the shooter is not given.

      And right there
      Local media stated that the shooting soldier was wanted. For his search involved police squads of the Amur region.

      On the run means.
      1. +3
        29 September 2017 19: 22
        Quote: vovanpain
        On the run mean

        With 4 shops. Malyava with AUE and went to the partisans? Sadly, the parents of the dead, wounded and this guy with 4 shops and machine guns on the run condolences.
        In our area there was something similar. A guy and a friend rushed from a unit in a neighboring region because of a girl. Random people were killed on the way. Since the endpoint was known, they were still stopped. Policemen were injured. It is not entirely clear that these two shot themselves or were blocked in an abandoned house, but they did not reach the house. Potential psychopaths prone to such acts must be calculated using tests before VVC. DOSAAF must be revived in the form that was in the USSR. With the help of tests, it is possible to determine the abilities for a particular military profession in advance, through DOSAAF at least some preliminary training is carried out.
        1. +2
          29 September 2017 20: 19
          Quote: Balu
          Potential psychopaths prone to such acts must be calculated using tests before VVC. DOSAAF must be revived in the form that was in the USSR. With the help of tests, it is possible to determine the abilities for a particular military profession in advance, through DOSAAF at least some preliminary training is carried out.

          only the contract will remove this crap.
          a man from under a stick cannot serve well.
          let those who like it serve.
          1. +2
            29 September 2017 20: 52
            Quote: ID90
            only the contract will remove this crap.
            a man from under a stick cannot serve well.
            let those who like it serve.

            By itself. Only weapons can’t be trusted by anyone. Potential loonies need to be screened out - I'm about it. hi
        2. +2
          29 September 2017 21: 05
          In-in! I remember in the middle of the 80's for three months with a rifle "on the belt" in the sports and shooting club fell through the line of fire before the ammunition was issued. But then no one counted them and everything was free. As a result, in 11 years I was shot by a belly and there was no longer any desire to indulge with weapons
        3. +5
          29 September 2017 21: 48
          Quote: Balu
          Potential psychopaths prone to such actions need to be calculated using tests

          Or maybe just get rid of hazing in the army?
          1. +2
            29 September 2017 22: 10
            Quote: Stas157
            Or maybe just get rid of hazing in the army?

            Is it possible? The grandson is smart, kind, honest, right, small. He is a classmate in the class, he has 4 brothers, a judo fighter, and a prize-winner at international competitions. They are both 10 years old. My grandson is half a head taller. And their relationship did not go smoothly from the first class. Well, a grandson cannot hit in the face, kind and decent too. So direct at least to another school.
            What to do? Speak hazing? Life is a competition, survives strong, purposeful, persistent, aggressive. The grandson goes to karate for the second year, before that they had a group in the kindergarten. And alas, so far without it being successful, training is a game for him, misses punches, and he does not understand that sport is a struggle. Now they have begun to drive basketball. So for a few workouts, the guy pulled himself up, became more focused, more aggressive.
            How to overcome hazing in the Army? Here the captain was lying with us, I don’t know what special forces. On vacation, a rather difficult fracture. While being treated, do you think he was worried about his leg? No, I was worried that one fighter did not teach this, another something else. The third is still doing something bad. Like this. And I am sure that for such commanders the fighters will give their lives and will not leave the dead, they will endure. And yet, before the army, the guy according to the reviews was still a bully, the army saved from prison. When they took anti-crustin together, we were the most humane and could swear, but he didn’t. Not a word of mate. Everything rests on such commanders.
            And look at YouTube as it educates cadets in one of the former higher military schools. I even know one of the videos in which former school was shot.
            Thin is a thing psychology.
      2. 0
        30 September 2017 03: 47
        he didn’t run away from Boar, the same one, and they will find this, no matter how cynically committed suicide.
    3. Maz
      +2
      29 September 2017 18: 18
      , how long to? Zadovbali this hazing
    4. +3
      29 September 2017 19: 12
      Quote: NEXUS
      Hmm ... officers and foremen on a hat will fly ... relatives and friends of the victims condolences.

      You need to start with a psychiatrist at the place of recruitment.
      1. 0
        30 September 2017 04: 00
        Ball, now workers in hazardous industries are forced to take psychotests three times a year. You have no idea how it infuriates.
        Link to 218 st.TK (but it is written there, at least 1 time in 5 years)
        To me, as a small leader, as a sickle in one place.
        1. +1
          1 October 2017 19: 53
          Quote: VALERIK_097
          Ball, now workers in hazardous industries are forced to take psychotests three times a year. You have no idea how it infuriates.
          Link to 218 st.TK (but it is written there, at least 1 time in 5 years)
          To me, as a small leader, as a sickle in one place.

          It’s necessary Valera. Better overeat than oversleep. hi
  2. +16
    29 September 2017 17: 53
    Most likely, hazing again. The mess in the army began back in the USSR, when criminals began to be drafted into the army. If you call the criminals, then immediately to the disbath. It's time to burn prison orders in the army.
    1. +2
      29 September 2017 18: 02
      Quote: Msta
      ... Most likely, hazing again ...
      - 99%! 21st century and everything on the old rake! It's a shame ...
      1. +17
        29 September 2017 18: 16
        What hazing? They serve 1 year, 2 in 1, a scoop and immediately demobilization .....
        Fucking youth, ancestors kissed in the ass, they all through the "prism" of game consoles, beer and laughing gas .....
        Normal boys serve and nothing .... even the extra urgent remain ....
        1. +5
          29 September 2017 18: 20
          Previously, they served more, but the mess was not in all parts. No matter how much they serve now, there will always be those who will build themselves up as Rambo and humiliate others if they are not pulled in a timely manner, especially if this audience managed to leave alone, or even several prison terms up to 18 years and draft in the army. As soon as the army ceases to call the convicts, order in the army will immediately increase.
          1. +4
            29 September 2017 18: 27
            Quote: Msta
            Previously and more served, but the mess was not in all parts

            My father served in the rocket forces in the 63rd ... 3 years! Then they served in the Navy for 4 years. And no one complained.
            And about hazing today ... well, I beg you, a year of service. What nafig hazing. After the incident with the guy who was beaten up and lost his legs, the whole com with the elders were so swollen that now they are afraid to utter a word.
            1. +3
              29 September 2017 18: 31
              You do not compare 63 years and now. If you served at least in the late 80s, or in the 90s you would be in the know.
              1. +3
                29 September 2017 18: 46
                Quote: Msta
                If you served at least in the late 80s, or in the 90s you would be in the know.

                I served in 92 ... questions? Transnistria ... doesn’t say anything?
                1. +8
                  29 September 2017 18: 54
                  Transnistria is a different topic. There the war and everyone understands that if you become impudent you will be shot by your own, in the very first battle. And in the barracks, the parts are decomposing.
                  1. +12
                    29 September 2017 19: 02
                    Quote: Msta
                    And in the barracks, the parts decompose

                    In the barracks, people are decomposed if foremen, warrant officers and lieutenants do not catch mice, and to the lantern they see what happens in the barracks ... then hazing, fraternity, shooting, shoots with military weapons, etc. begin ...
                    1. +5
                      29 September 2017 19: 03
                      I agree, but a lot depends on the one who was recruited as a soldier. Now you can’t just get on your lip, they played democracy in the Russian Federation.
                  2. +1
                    29 September 2017 19: 19
                    Quote: Msta
                    Transnistria is a different topic. There the war and everyone understands that if you become impudent you will be shot by your own, in the very first battle.

                    There have been no military operations there for more than 20 years. What year do you read newspapers?
                    1. 0
                      29 September 2017 22: 18
                      There was a war and it’s not calm now ... But a man there did not serve yesterday.
                      1. 0
                        29 September 2017 22: 48
                        Quote: Msta
                        There was a war and now it’s not calm ...
                        Not calm in Moldova. And then politically. There is no war. And you wrote above about literal war:
                        Quote: Msta
                        Transnistria is a different topic. There the war and everyone understands that if you become impudent you will be shot by your own, in the very first battle.
                  3. +2
                    29 September 2017 19: 26
                    Quote: Msta
                    There is a war and everyone understands

                    yeah, all this fairy tales, in Afghanistan hazing was a mother do not cry, even those who went to combat.
                    1. 0
                      29 September 2017 22: 19
                      I won’t argue, but they fired at the military, especially the arrogant ones, only on the way.
                      1. 0
                        30 September 2017 06: 46
                        Quote: Msta
                        they shot their own, only on the road.

                        and how many thousands of people executed this way? Individual cases are not the rule.
                2. +2
                  29 September 2017 19: 23
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  I served in 92 ... questions? Transnistria ... doesn’t say anything?

                  drinks hi
    2. 0
      29 September 2017 18: 20
      Hazing is nothing to do with, just debil!
      1. +1
        29 September 2017 18: 21
        Just stupid people climb into the noose and shoot themselves, from the fact that the girl on the civilian did not wait ...
        1. +4
          29 September 2017 18: 29
          Quote: Msta
          there will always be those who will build themselves Rambo

          There can be many reasons for Colleagues! And the girl got out of bed and got rammed up and got everything and everything and tore it from her mother’s skirt, and here the harsh reality request anything can be, now it is necessary to catch it and to understand the reasons, if you leave with the weapon, it can do a lot of business. request hi
          1. +5
            29 September 2017 18: 38
            If it was a girl who married a civilian, then she would just run away, maybe with a gun to deal with her and her opponent at home, or put a bullet in her forehead. It's definitely not about women's skirts.
    3. +2
      29 September 2017 19: 23
      Quote: Msta
      It's time to burn prison orders in the army.

      as they used to say: The army is a section of society. So the criminal orders must be burned out precisely in society, then they will not be in the army.
      1. 0
        29 September 2017 22: 22
        In society, a criminal does not have the right to buy a gun for hunting, and I don’t understand why in the army criminals trust weapons more seriously than a hunting rifle ... Everything should be natural. Shovel in the teeth and in the disbat, let the criminals at the cutting areas fight with their own kind. And in the event of a war, in a penal battalion and the first on enemy machine guns. By the way, in the German Wehrmacht, a soldier who fell in a penal battalion served there until the end of the war, and not until the first wound, as in the USSR. That was right.
        1. 0
          30 September 2017 06: 48
          Quote: Msta
          In society, the criminal does not have the right to buy a gun for hunting

          Do you know that the overwhelming majority of murders are committed with kitchen knives? Of course, criminals should not serve in the army, but this is not a solution to all problems.
        2. 0
          30 September 2017 06: 50
          Quote: Msta
          a soldier who fell into the penal battalion served there until the end of the war, and not until the first wound, as in the USSR. That was right.

          I don’t see anything right in this, we have a system of upbringing and correction, and not just punishing, otherwise, what to put criminals in, immediately to the wall and that's it.
  3. +8
    29 September 2017 17: 56
    It is reported that the command is trying to find out the reasons that prompted the soldier to open fire.
    And why didn’t you see them before?
    Boy, boy, what have you done ... So much trouble brought. It is a pity that there was no person nearby who could stop you and help you.
    Condolences to the families of the victims.
    1. +9
      29 September 2017 18: 10
      Young animals went unbalanced, spoiled, the slightest everyday turmoil - they immediately begin, then at school they would shoot at classmates, then in the army at colleagues ...
      1. +8
        29 September 2017 18: 26
        Quote: Solomon Kane
        Young animals went unbalanced, spoiled, the slightest everyday turmoil - they immediately begin, then at school they would shoot at classmates, then in the army at colleagues ...

        The army is a section of society, how to explain to today's boys that blood is not water.
        A sick army cannot have a healthy army.
        and the guy himself is not happy that he did .., will shoot himself most likely ...
    2. +3
      29 September 2017 18: 32
      Yes, maybe it was a "proud mountain kazel", they broke his horns and how they "convinced" everyone to serve, to go to the outfit and tore out toilets. Such things flies off the coils at once, “pride” boils in one place.
      1. +4
        29 September 2017 19: 03
        -Yes, most likely it is ...- since they so "tactfully" kept silent about the "details" ... -It will get to my "Caucasian place" soon, and then no one will give it away ... -More and he took the machine with him ... -will now be there "to walk in heroes" ...
      2. +4
        29 September 2017 19: 32
        Right now he was driving in a car, on the radio they called his name. In general, a dag from the Kizlyar district.
      3. +4
        29 September 2017 22: 00
        Quote: Mih1974
        Yes, maybe it was a "proud mountain kazel", they’ve broken his horns

        Is this a joke? Caucasians themselves who you want to break the horns! Build up to the officers. Is it just that until recently they refused to take them into the army?
        1. +9
          29 September 2017 22: 07
          Quote: Stas157
          Build up to officers

          Is this your own experience or from Pedivikia? wink
          1. +4
            29 September 2017 22: 15
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            Is this your own experience or from Pedivikia?

            Heard. I did not serve in the army. And that guy really turned out to be a Caucasian. So they definitely broke the horns.
            1. +11
              29 September 2017 22: 19
              Quote: Stas157
              Heard. I did not serve in the army

              Then at least IMHO insert do not forget to place ...
              I have, for example, the proud children of the mountains washed the floors in the guard (if necessary laughing ) - at a time. And at the same time they never shot me (well, yes, subject to certain security measures).
              If a fighter “caught up” an officer, this is not a plus for the fighter, it is a predatory minus to the officer.
              I’m talking about it exactly, if that.
              And what you didn’t serve - you couldn’t say it, you can see the bird by litter, sorry my French wink
              1. +1
                30 September 2017 00: 56
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                If a fighter “caught up” an officer, this is not a plus for the fighter, it is a predatory minus to the officer.

                Truth the truth!
              2. +5
                30 September 2017 18: 05
                Well yes. And the rest of the company officers look and rub their hands, or what? This is a fat minus to the company and all officers, and not to one, because the problems in the company are solved together. Are you sure you were an officer in the Armed Forces?
    3. +4
      29 September 2017 18: 43
      medical board under trial and psychologists.
  4. 0
    29 September 2017 17: 58
    So he escaped with a gun and several horns.
    1. +5
      29 September 2017 18: 02
      Quote: pilot306
      So he escaped with a gun and several horns.

      If so then the guy is no longer a tenant
      1. +6
        29 September 2017 19: 13
        No, those who are attracted to the Evil team are offered to give up first. This was recorded already in the 80s. If he continues to bull, then not a tenant, yes.
        1. +4
          29 September 2017 19: 21
          It depends on what the story was. From hopelessness, maybe he himself ....
      2. 0
        29 September 2017 19: 19
        Hm! I would not be so categorical. Some kinder children have good folders that bring to the attention that the horns are on the soup, and the vending machine has shops ...
        I will not dissemble, - he transferred, as far as possible, skills and abilities ....
    2. 0
      30 September 2017 03: 13
      Quote: pilot306
      and a few horns.

      Where are the few horns? At the point of delivery of ammunition for conscripts, they either give out a horn with 12 rounds or equip the store itself. You come to the landfill with an empty pouch. What kind of mess is there in Amurka?
      1. +4
        30 September 2017 17: 26
        At other times, outfit was given out equipped shops in accordance with the conditions of the shooting exercises. And no other way. We were given 2 stores - one 15 rounds, the second 20. To learn how to keep records and change stores on the go.
  5. +5
    29 September 2017 17: 58
    a serious and sad outcome. relatives of the victims of condolences, the wounded speedy recovery. debriefing will be cool.
  6. +5
    29 September 2017 18: 00
    The mess most likely began in the USSR not because of the call of criminals, but because of the indifference of the senior in rank to their subordinates and when at that time people went to the Army to receive benefits, a good salary.
    1. +4
      29 September 2017 18: 03
      It was an appeal to the army of criminals that led to the fact that prison orders migrated to the army, and the mess in the officer corps aggravated this.
      1. +4
        29 September 2017 18: 09
        I agree with you, but not in everything, criminal orders and habits can be imposed by people who are not gray-haired and are not involved, who just simply absorbed this behavior from people around them since childhood and have no idea that they can live and communicate differently. Regarding the execution, let the investigation deal with this.
        1. 0
          29 September 2017 18: 15
          People who have absorbed, as you say, prison orders since childhood, have already managed to serve time in prison by the age of 18 by a youngster. Their behavior is appropriate wherever they appear.
          1. +4
            29 September 2017 18: 22
            I won’t argue and don’t want to, as I observed from the side that some people of criminal views and manners can never sit out and be attracted, since they are friends with the head in the sense of a cunning .... e.
            1. +5
              29 September 2017 18: 28
              It only says that not everyone in our country is being planted, whom they should and vice versa, sometimes they are planting those who are not needed ... I remember this from school. Moreover, my predictions, for some, came true completely. Some sat right after school. There were fans of us who mocked at newcomers transferred from other schools and teachers turned a blind eye to this, including because among them were relatives of criminals recidivists, which, in my opinion, should not be at school. They should be sent to special schools with deuces in behavior so that those who do not want to study do not interfere with others, and among teachers and officers there should not be relatives of criminals, and even more so nurses.
              1. +11
                29 September 2017 18: 36
                You definitely wrote. After training, our soldier got into another military unit, his grandfathers began to abuse him, he was a sports guy, he put up with it, put up with it and maimed them, they put him in because of one of the senior officers, his mother worked in the regional administration and the second uncle was a deputy. Logistics support of the district. There, the sergeant broke a couple of ribs of a soldier and collarbone because he did not find (gave birth) a cigarette to him, they lowered the sergeant by one nozzle and sent him to serve in another company, and gave him a week to go home with his mother and our mother has a head doctor. Justice it is different.
        2. Maz
          +11
          29 September 2017 18: 21
          What are you talking about here. Send me there with a trail, it turns out that in the barracks at night a mess, the warrant officers and officers scored everything plus the shortage of personnel in the Amur hole.
          1. +2
            29 September 2017 18: 44
            Probably many people wanted to write these words, but did not, otherwise it will begin about the length of service and how dare you write it, etc.
      2. +4
        29 September 2017 18: 12
        Quote: Msta
        prison orders migrated to the army,

        Yes, but now it’s 1 year. We in Kazakhstan have a problem with degenerates who remained to serve under the contract, scum that there are no words. We have a kid on a neighboring outpost, he killed his life because of such cattle. Chasing these loafers, but no good, sheep are lousy.
  7. +5
    29 September 2017 18: 15
    If a normal person, humiliated by nationality, fraternity, the law of power and other reasons, --- has a weapon in his hands --- he can use it.
    Because --- CAN.
    And all the tales about the lack of reasons (above) are traditional propaganda.
    And so - little information. Or a Caucasian, or, say, a Russian-speaking could not stand it ...
    And so - sorry for the mothers ...
    1. 0
      29 September 2017 18: 18
      Quote: Des10
      or, say, Russian-language could not resist...

      And what else could be in the modern Russian army? Non-african speaking
      1. +1
        29 September 2017 18: 21
        Did you serve?
        1. +2
          29 September 2017 18: 51
          Quote: Des10
          Did you serve?

          So exactly

          And you?

          The name of the gunman has been established: Hasan Abdulakhadov (Caucasian and, of course, Russian-speaking).

          For reference: in the modern Russian army do not call people who do not know the Russian language.
          1. +3
            29 September 2017 19: 08
            Well, this is what was to be expected - “the soul could not stand”, it seemed that the tremors had been forced to scrub and peel potatoes. Such ones should be "in an attempt to escape" and to landfills only when an officer with weapons is ready for preparation behind his back.
          2. +3
            29 September 2017 19: 27
            Quote: Volodin
            The name of the gunman has been established: Hasan Abdulakhadov (Caucasian and, of course, Russian-speaking).

            Did you find Anasha?
          3. 0
            29 September 2017 21: 15
            Quote: Volodin
            And you?

            Yeah, a month like retirement.
            For the rest - there is no desire, to be honest, to discuss, tired.
            Of course you are right about the first, and about the knowledge of the Russian language.
            Good luck and health.
  8. +1
    29 September 2017 18: 22
    I am sorry for the families of the victims, the health of the wounded, and the “runner” flew at least to the “wad” if he did not meet the bullet during detention ...
    1. +2
      29 September 2017 18: 47
      Quote: Herkulesich
      if you don’t meet the bullet during the detention ...

      And who needs him alive now?
      1. +6
        29 September 2017 19: 20
        For the court.
        And from practice - if you didn’t give up, they were washed into powder without risk to those around them. But there were also options.
  9. +2
    29 September 2017 18: 23
    As usual hazing. Condolences to the families of the deceased and the family of this guy for having broken his life.
    1. +5
      29 September 2017 19: 11
      What hazing - read the name and patronymic !! the "proud hurts" turned out to be measured against the fact that "not cooler than a boiled egg" but like all meat and bones. The mess is still going on with the upbringing in the mountains, these are the kazly from there appear.
    2. +1
      29 September 2017 19: 20
      she is not there as a class now. there is a more modern version of it, who is stronger then right. during the service of 1 year, this whole hierarchy collapsed as a species. Now a new chip, as in any society. there are always those whom teachers at school called future criminals. unmanageable personalities with fully turned landmarks. but if earlier they had the opportunity to stall with the help of old-timers and the staff, now it’s all more difficult.
      1. 0
        29 September 2017 19: 36
        Here only an American joke with a “sergeant” will help, well, this is the one that sleeps and sleeps with the young and sees and smells everyone in advance, but even then it is not a fact that it will help. Unless you can have time to “write off” such people before he knows such a thing.
  10. 0
    29 September 2017 18: 24
    Quote: Maz
    , how long to? Zadovbali this hazing

    Yeah .. and the officer is the main grandfather .. and another question .. what could be hazing in one call? .. if it's a draftee. Here, either the psychologist in the military registration and enlistment office should go to the relatives of the victims to explain what and how .., or on religious grounds ..
    1. +1
      29 September 2017 19: 18
      Quote: dvina71
      and another question .. what could be hazing in one call?

      But are conscripts and contract soldiers not serving in the same army in the same army?
  11. +2
    29 September 2017 18: 24
    According to available information, the soldier, Corporal Abdulakhadov Hasan Omarovich, born in 1994, is a native of the Republic of Dagestan. He served as a driver - an electrician of a radio company of a communications company in a linear battalion from the end of September 2017.
    © Link to belogorsk.rf required: http://belogorck.ru/novosti/segodnya-v-gorode/312
    38-2017-09-29
    1. +6
      29 September 2017 18: 31
      It’s too early to draw conclusions, although they are so obvious, they are very persistently asking for help.
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  12. +4
    29 September 2017 18: 31
    Criminals can only be used in penal companies during the war, but calling them in peacetime is extremely reckless. If hazing is the case, then the victims themselves are to blame for what happened (I do not condone the deserter and the murderer). The army is not a prison, therefore there should not be lawlessness in it.
    1. +1
      29 September 2017 18: 55
      Quote: Krasnyiy komissar
      If hazing is the case, then the victims themselves are to blame for what happened (

      fucking logic. they will hand you over, but you yourself are to blame. and seriously think that it’s precisely the dead riley of this abrek? stood at once in one turn. yeah. if there was anyone, then one or two. the rest were just unlucky to be around.
      1. +2
        29 September 2017 19: 41
        A person will not be so easy to shoot at his colleagues, if he has everything in order with his head. If a soldier was demolished due to a mental illness, then the psychiatrist in the military enlistment office should be sent to eat the balance for five years, but if he was brought about by lawless people, then the commander is to blame.
        My father served in the special forces of the Strategic Missile Forces in the early 80's. Even then hazing bloomed in double color. Out of habit, grandfathers tried to leave on someone else's hump, i.e. make the young to plow on themselves. My dad answered their "Wishlist" with a "sending" on foot erotic, since he graduated from a sports school before the army. One grandfather broke the grunt, but he himself got it from the old-timers. They threatened that they would kill him in the barracks, which he regretted a little later. One grandfather flew down the stairs, and the second was cut off a piece of fat from the belly with a bayonet-knife from AKMS. The father said that next time he would tear open the belly of a belly like canned food. They didn’t touch him anymore. If they climbed again, there would be corpses. Here is a story.
  13. +5
    29 September 2017 18: 34
    Every family has its black sheep.
  14. +4
    29 September 2017 19: 01
    What is a cut-off for access to the firing line?
  15. 0
    29 September 2017 19: 09
    oh ... something tells me that there is an idiotic sloppiness someone is trying to cover up with a version about the breakdown ...
  16. +1
    29 September 2017 19: 13
    Hazing however.
  17. Mwg
    +1
    29 September 2017 19: 18
    And the reason is banal - an irregular relationship with the connivance of an officer. The boy was broken ...
  18. 0
    29 September 2017 19: 27
    At the beginning of the year there was a kind of incident with a hung fighter in this unit ...
  19. +2
    29 September 2017 19: 33
    Unfortunately, judging by the name, again the shepherds began to give weapons ....
  20. +1
    29 September 2017 19: 43
    Quote: Msta
    Most likely, hazing again. The mess in the army began back in the USSR, when criminals began to be drafted into the army. If you call the criminals, then immediately to the disbath. It's time to burn prison orders in the army.

    Yes sir. If I’m not mistaken, the work of the blessed Nikita Sergeyevich. It was he who first began to call them to the building battalion.
    1. 0
      29 September 2017 22: 34
      Here, the convicts should be called up to the construction battalion, so that they served exclusively with their own kind in the north, and in the event of a war of all, in the penal battalion, until the end of the war, as in the Wehrmacht, and not before the first wound, as in the USSR. only for those who are in favor of exceeding self-defense. I would have freed these people altogether, they are sitting for no reason.
      1. +10
        29 September 2017 23: 06
        Mstathrow thump already stop
        Quote: Msta
        in the construction battalion of convicts and you need to call, and so that they served exclusively with their own kind and in the north

        "Summon convicts" - this is extremely enchanting.
        “And in the North” - shows that you have never served. I can tell you (quite specifically) a couple of places where serving is even more uncomfortable than in the "north" you mentioned.
        Quote: Msta
        all in a penal battalion, until the end of the war, as in the Wehrmacht, and not until the first wound, as in the USSR

        You draw knowledge from Wiki, a campaign ...
        Quote: Msta
        An exception can be made only for those who are in favor of exceeding self-defense. I would have freed these people altogether, they’re sitting for nothing

        Never? Well, not always, not always, you know ...
        In short, a student: stop thumping, it’s necessary - call a narcologist, they will make you drops, and sleep ... SPAAAAAT (c) Kashpirovsky laughing
  21. 0
    29 September 2017 21: 00
    At the proving ground near Blagoveshchensk, a soldier shot his colleagues

    Maybe he was just Bendera?
    1. 0
      29 September 2017 21: 19
      He was a freemason, unfortunately.
      1. +1
        29 September 2017 22: 13
        Quote: Cadet
        He was a freemason, unfortunately

        He was an alien
  22. +1
    29 September 2017 21: 54
    Yes there are greyhounds grandfathers ..... Everything is simple and not simple there, shot, it means the situation was not smooth .... I think those who fell into the arm (two wounded), the other two are clearly aimed compartment .... It’s a pity what happened, even valerian won't help relatives now .... So a full conclusion can be made only after investigating all the details, but this is the army, they may not say all the details ..... hi
    1. 0
      30 September 2017 07: 34
      This kazla has already been transferred for show-offs, here it is evidently “convinced” that all the animals are equal, here it flew off the coils. Not to hell with him, "dog death dog."
  23. 0
    29 September 2017 22: 21
    Another reason to tighten the medical commission for conscription in the army and to weed out for any signs of mental disorders and to take only healthy young people. Yes, the call will decrease, but it is not needed too much, the future is under the contract
    1. 0
      29 September 2017 22: 33
      Quote: drunkram
      Another reason to tighten the medical commission for conscription in the army and to weed out for any signs of mental disorders and to take only healthy young people. Yes, the call will decrease, but it is not needed too much, the future is under the contract

      remove the call.
      and do not call on the children of the Caucasus.
      1. +1
        29 September 2017 22: 45
        And they seemed to be given the opportunity to serve in the place, since faith has long been so kind of ....
        1. +1
          30 September 2017 00: 05
          Quote: XXXIII
          And they seemed to be given the opportunity to serve in the place, since faith has long been so kind of ....

          already in marines shepherds appeared.
      2. 0
        30 September 2017 09: 09
        you don’t have to completely remove it, this is a great opportunity to train the future contractor, and there will be nobody to put in the Airborne Forces. In addition, military service raises the patriotic mood of youth
  24. +1
    29 September 2017 23: 22
    Quote: Solomon Kane
    Seryozha, now the service is under cameras, like reality shows, fathers-commanders have become nurses, God forbid, you raise your voice to someone's child - they will drag ....

    No one will drag anyone there. A friend just quit, he served as a contracted dentist. for 3 years he was dragged in 5 parts. The commanding officers of the units issue bonuses to the officers, they take it all themselves. The dentist constantly., Then he sewed the knife, then beat him to the unconscious state of the soladt. Commanders to chew on everyone. He, as an officer, was not even given a winter uniform; on the parade ground at -30 he stood in the autumn. I had to buy for my money. It was all the vicinity of Novosibirsk and Yekaterinburg.
    1. 0
      30 September 2017 20: 36
      Quote: Surg
      Quote: Solomon Kane
      Seryozha, now the service is under cameras, like reality shows, fathers-commanders have become nurses, God forbid, you raise your voice to someone's child - they will drag ....

      No one will drag anyone there. A friend just quit, he served as a contracted dentist. for 3 years he was dragged in 5 parts. The commanding officers of the units issue bonuses to the officers, they take it all themselves. The dentist constantly., Then he sewed the knife, then beat him to the unconscious state of the soladt. Commanders to chew on everyone. He, as an officer, was not even given a winter uniform; on the parade ground at -30 he stood in the autumn. I had to buy for my money. It was all the vicinity of Novosibirsk and Yekaterinburg.

      It was all the vicinity of Novosibirsk and Yekaterinburg.
      1. 0
        30 September 2017 20: 37
        immediately seen ,, mishandled ,,
        1. +1
          1 October 2017 19: 51
          Quote: tsvetkov1274
          immediately seen ,, mishandled ,,

          Talk to the officers who served in Totsk in the 2000s. You will learn a lot about fuel and radio stations, and much more.
  25. 0
    30 September 2017 00: 05
    This is what happens when officers nas_at a soldier, especially in Ratania. Who served he knows.
    Against the background of admiration from our army over the past 3 years, I can add that soldiers (conscripts) are fighting mercilessly in the airborne forces for all crap, according to recently demobilized.
    1. 0
      30 September 2017 03: 14
      try for a year, from a computer moron. make a fighter !!! ???
  26. +1
    30 September 2017 02: 57
    Already shot !!! But that’s not the point, it’s time to somehow protect the Sun from such “Dagiks”. Any part where they are is experiencing similar problems.
  27. 0
    30 September 2017 13: 07
    Quote: Surg
    He, as an officer, was not even given a winter uniform; on the parade ground at -30 he stood in the autumn. I had to buy for my money. It was all the vicinity of Novosibirsk and Yekaterinburg.

    The part number in the studio, comrade or ... Mr.? Absolute nonsense.
  28. 0
    30 September 2017 15: 15
    Normal ok,
    There was a war and now on the verge

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