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Stalin's latest analytical work “The Economic Problems of Socialism in the USSR” was published in the last decade of September 1952 of the year, 65 years ago. Many Western mass media noted that, contrary to the hopes of the “disciples and comrades-in-arms”, Stalin literally shook old times. Moreover, he demonstrated his enormous potential of the country's leader and analyst. But the main thing is that Stalin, according to the same estimates, directly made it clear: the current system of economic management needs to be reformed, which was very dangerous for the party-state nomenclature.



This work is basically a collection of Stalin’s detailed answers to numerous questions addressed to him by participants of the 1950 – 1952 all-union economic discussion on the USSR’s internal and external economic policies and the creation of a textbook on political economy, which was published in 1953 in May. This work was translated into national languages ​​in more than 25 countries, for example, it was reprinted five times in the PRC (the last in the 1999 year).

But in the USSR, most socialist countries have already forgotten about this work since 1955 – 1956, because the nature of their socio-economic development has since more and more contradicted the recommendations of “Economic Problems”. What these contradictions ended in is well known ...

In his work, Stalin with detailed justification indicated that there were many problems in the Soviet economy, and the administrative and management system in this area needed reforms. The main tasks are the reduction of directive state intervention in the economy, the promotion of economic rather than managerial methods of regulation, increasing the level of competence of leading cadres in various sectors and preventing the “expropriation” by the state of all sectors of the USSR economy. In the same work, the basic economic laws of socialism and communist construction, as well as world economic trends, were formulated. It is also characteristic that Stalin noted the advantages of cost accounting, which was actively introduced at that time in Yugoslavia, which had quarreled with the USSR in 1948.

Here are some of the above-mentioned accents of this work, topical without a statute of limitations: “At our enterprises such issues as economic accounting and profitability, the cost price, the price issue, etc. are of current importance. Therefore, our enterprises cannot do without should not disregard the law of value. " This circumstance “teaches our business executives to accurately calculate production quantities and just as accurately take into account real things in production, rather than engage in chatter about“ indicative data ”taken from the ceiling. It teaches our business executives to systematically improve production methods, reduce its cost, carry out economic calculations and achieve profitability of enterprises. This is a good practical school that accelerates the growth of our economic cadres and their transformation into real leaders of socialist production. ”
“The trouble is not that the law of value affects our production. The trouble is that our business executives and planners, with few exceptions, are not familiar with the actions of the law of value, do not study them and do not know how to take them into account in their calculations. This explains the confusion that still “weights” on the issue of price policy. ”

In the same work, Stalin spoke in favor of a clear definition of the property of the private farms of collective farmers, subjected to frequent reductions under Khrushchev. According to Stalin, “it would be wrong to say in the draft textbook that“ every collective farm yard has a cow, small livestock and poultry for personal use ”. In fact, as is known, the cow, small livestock, poultry, etc., are the personal property of the collective farm yard. The expression "in personal use" is taken, apparently, from the Model Charter of the Agricultural Artel ". But this document “made a mistake. The USSR Constitution states: “Each collective farm yard owns a private farm on a private plot, a dwelling house, productive livestock, poultry, and small agricultural equipment.”
In addition, it would be necessary to say in more detail that each collective farmer has in personal property from one to so many cows, according to local conditions, so many sheep, goats, pigs and an unlimited number of poultry (ducks, geese, chickens, turkeys ). These details are of great importance for our foreign comrades, who want to know exactly what actually remained in the collective farm yard in his personal property after the collectivization of agriculture was carried out in our country. ”

Stalin subjected the proposals, supported by Khrushchev already in the last Stalin years, to comprehensive criticism: about the conversion of collective farms into state farms, about the sale to collective farms of machine-tractor stations (MTS) and agricultural chemistry facilities. These ideas, Stalin equated to undermine the Soviet economy through the inevitable bankruptcy of collective farms, if the ideas are implemented. In “Economic Problems” Stalin also spoke out against the nationalization of everything and everyone in the economy: “It is believed that the transfer of property of individuals and groups to state ownership is the only or in any case the best form of nationalization. This is not true. The transfer to state ownership is not the only or even the best form of nationalization, but the original form of nationalization. ” Note that this thesis is part of the ideological basis of Chinese economic reforms.

In addition, in his last work, Stalin speaks in detail about the feasibility of creating an economic bloc of postcolonial and socialist countries, including the “de-dollarization” of their foreign trade and financial system. This project stems from the recommendations of the international economic meeting held at the initiative of the USSR at the beginning of April 1952 in Moscow with the participation of 49 countries. The forum also announced growing barriers in global trade. But the implementation of such decisions has been de facto “frozen” since the second half of 1953 (“Friends of the Golden Ruble”, “MIC”, No. 13, 2017).

But Khrushchev in 1955 – 1964 has achieved the realization of everything Stalin criticized. First of all, these are orders on socialist competition at the rate of consolidation of collective farms and the sale of MTS to them in 1958 – 1961 years, which together in a few years turned most collective farms into chronic debtors of the state. And the situation only worsened, despite the periodic write-off of collective farm debts to the state. As a result, by the end of 80-x to 70 percent of the Soviet collective farms were bankrupt or unprofitable. Moreover, up to 60 percent of this amount accounted for the RSFSR. And it is quite remarkable that those Khrushchev decisions were not canceled in the post-Khruschev period.

The situation of agrarians was aggravated by growing taxes on household farms on collective and state farms, supplemented in 1960 – 1962 by taxing every berry bush, fruit tree, every pig, poultry and small horned cattle in these farms. And cattle were generally forcibly seized from peasants at symbolic prices due to the growing shortage of meat and meat products in most major cities and industrial centers of the USSR due to the effects of virgin and corn campaigns. These Khrushchev laws were abolished in 1965 – 1966, but their disastrous consequences made a significant contribution to economic destruction and, accordingly, to the collapse of the USSR.

In the context of this book of Stalin and what happened in the country after March 1953, it is useful to quote the seemingly pathological anti-Soviet and Russophobe Zbigniew Brzezinski: “Under Stalin, the Soviet Union really became a great industrial power. Indeed, there was an outflow of its population from the villages. The centralized socialist system was fully rebuilt. And at the same time, the Soviet economy had a relatively high growth rate. Probably, I could advise how to save the system, but by the year of 1985 it was already too late. I think that the Soviet system began to decline as early as 60, and it all began with a fall in the level of governance of the country. I have to admit that Stalin was an incredibly capable and intelligent man and the level of Soviet rule under him was quite high. Then Stalin had already grown old, became sick, tired. And after his death, the level began to decline markedly. "

And the reduction of this level was completed with the destruction of the state, in which many of the leading party and state nomenclatures in the center and in the regions participated. However, already during the formation of this book, Stalin was opposed by the then pro-Stalinist nomenclature. Since, for obvious reasons, it was against the nature of the reform of the system of economic management and socio-economic policy outlined in the same book.

According to economist and historian Vladimir Pisarev, “after 1950, when the USSR became the world leader in the production of heavy stationary equipment for the industry, economists and statistics, hiding it from Stalin and from the people and thus preventing the timely social reorientation of the economy, led the country ways of economic idiocy. This gave rise to endless deficiencies in the country, with the USSR leading in the extraction and use of resources, as well as high prices, taxes and unnatural poverty of the majority of the population. And all the “reforms” of 1985 – 1991 were aimed at aggravating the situation, which is why the economy of the USSR and he collapsed. ”

According to the same data, by the end of the year 1951, the USSR, having overtaken the USA, came out on top in the world also in the number and power of annually produced electric motors for completing all kinds of equipment. But this achievement from Stalin and the public “was also hidden. Thus, Stalin was not allowed to conclude in the “Economic Problems” that the task set back in 1929 “over the years 15 to catch up with the United States in terms of industrialization” was basically solved, despite all the losses in the war, with a delay of only five years ” .

In a word, comprehensive preparation for the collapse of the USSR is a project of more than one decade.
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  1. +6
    30 September 2017 07: 30
    In a word, comprehensive preparation for the collapse of the USSR is a project of more than one decade.
    ... This is true .. We Sy Khrushchev, tried, however, he was not alone ... with the team ...
    1. 0
      30 September 2017 07: 34
      Quote: parusnik
      However, he is not alone ... with the team ...

      and who are the judges?
      the team was Stalin, in the first years
    2. +8
      30 September 2017 09: 25
      At the celebration of the 90th anniversary of W. Churchill on November 30, 1964, a toast was offered to him as the most ardent enemy of the USSR. Churchill answered: “Unfortunately, this is not so, there is a person who has done 1000 times more harm to the country of the Soviets than I. This is Nikita Khrushchev, we’ll slap him!”
  2. +1
    30 September 2017 07: 32
    But this achievement from Stalin and the public “was also hidden.
    what kind of system was it in the state, they were hiding everything from the people and from the leader? But the leader died and the system was covered ....
  3. +3
    30 September 2017 07: 55
    Thank you for the article. In this work of Stalin, I consider the main thing that he proposed to abandon the "Capital" of K. Marx as insolvent under socialism:
    "... Moreover, I think it’s necessary to discard some other concepts taken from Marx’s Capital, where Marx was engaged in the analysis of capitalism, and artificially glued to our socialist relations. I mean, by the way, such concepts, as "necessary" and "surplus" labor, "necessary" and "surplus" product, "necessary" and "surplus" working time. Marx analyzed capitalism in order to find out the source of exploitation of the working class, surplus value, and give the working class deprived of funds va, a spiritual weapon for overthrowing capitalism. It is clear that Marx uses the concepts (categories) that are quite consistent with capitalist relations, but it’s more than strange to use these concepts when the working class is not only without power and means of production, but, on the contrary, holds power is in its hands and owns the means of production. ”Now, under our system, the words about labor as a commodity and about the“ hiring ”of workers sound rather absurd: as if the working class, which owns the means of production, is its own aetsya himself and sells his labor-power. It is just as strange now to speak of “necessary” and “surplus” labor: as if labor in our conditions, given to society for expanding production, developing education, healthcare, organizing defense, etc., is not equally necessary for the working class now in power, as well as the labor expended to cover the personal needs of the worker and his family.

    It should be noted that Marx in his work “Criticism of the Gotha Program”, where he explores not capitalism, but, incidentally, the first phase of a communist society, recognizes the labor devoted to society to expand production, education, healthcare, administrative expenses, reserves etc., as necessary as the labor expended to cover the consumer needs of the working class.

    I think that our economists must put an end to this discrepancy between the old concepts and the new state of affairs in our socialist country, replacing the old concepts with new ones corresponding to the new situation. We could tolerate this discrepancy until a certain time, but now the time has come when we must finally eliminate this discrepancy.... "
    Full text: http://www.souz.info/library/stalin/ec_probl.htm
    With the direct appeal of Stalin to abandon Marxism, the party nomenclature could not come to terms ...
    1. +1
      30 September 2017 09: 19
      With the direct appeal of Stalin to abandon Marxism, the party nomenclature could not come to terms ..

      "... Who will believe that Leon Brezhnev read the Capital of Marx ..." (L.I. Brezhnev)
      1. +4
        30 September 2017 12: 21
        Quote: moskowit
        "... Who will believe that Leon Brezhnev read the Capital of Marx ..." (L.I. Brezhnev)

        K. Marx lived in the nineteenth century, V.I. Lenin at the crossroads of centuries, I.V. Stalin in the twentieth century. Were they prophets? No. They were philosophers. Did they make mistakes? Yes, of course, like all people.
        The Brezhnev century was for me a "golden" century, as it was for many, but it was also a "stagnation time" of communist thought despite the existence of the Institute of Marxism-Leninism, where by 1991 anti-communists ruled. "Enemies are not asleep." There have been no bright philosophers in the communist movement since the time of Khrushchev. Unfortunately. And, I am sure that the current "leader" of the Communist Party "is also clearly not a philosopher.
    2. +5
      30 September 2017 14: 04
      Quote: Boris55
      In this work of Stalin, I consider the main thing that he proposed to abandon the "Capital" of K. Marx as insolvent under socialism:

      Dear Boris, please do not make such high-profile statements that I.V. Stalin proposed abandoning the "Capital" of K. Marx. They will not understand us correctly. JV Stalin was a real Marxist, he understood that Marxism was not a dogma, but a guide to action, and he did not abandon Capital, he simply proposed to use new categories instead of those used to study capitalism for the analysis of socialism. But this is not a denial of Marxism, but its development.
      1. 0
        30 September 2017 16: 30
        Quote: Alexander Green
        But this is not a denial of Marxism, but its development.

        You could say that.
        "... now the time has come when we must finally eliminate this discrepancy ..." "... Without theory, we need death, death, death ..." IV Stalin
        1. +3
          30 September 2017 17: 51
          Quote: Boris55
          You could say that.
          "... now the time has come when we must finally eliminate this discrepancy ..." "... Without theory, we need death, death, death ..." IV Stalin

          This is more true.
    3. +3
      1 October 2017 09: 30
      Quote: Boris55
      With the direct appeal of Stalin to abandon Marxism, the party nomenclature could not come to terms ...

      Nonsense is complete! Stalin, in his own words, was a devoted Marxist-Leninist.
      The thing is that socialism must be regarded as a transitional stage to communism.
      1. 0
        1 October 2017 16: 11
        Quote: Stroporez
        Nonsense is complete! Stalin, in his own words, was a devoted Marxist-Leninist .... socialism must be regarded as a transitional stage to communism

        To live with wolves, howl like a wolf.
        So he proposed to develop the concept of the transition, and he was killed for it. JV Stalin: "... now the time has come when we must finally eliminate this discrepancy ..." "... Without theory, we will die, die, die ...". The Marxist base on which Partigenigenoss relied did not correspond to the realities of life. Marxism by 52 has already exhausted itself.
        1. +1
          1 October 2017 17: 03
          Boris, I'm sorry, but what are you talking about?
          "By the year 52, Marxism has exhausted itself." ????
          Why do you think so? How can Marxism become obsolete if everything in the world develops according to Marx?
          Enough to speak from other people's words, read K. Marx’s work “Criticism of the Gotha Program” yourself, and you will see how he studies the issues of socialism and communism there. Under Stalin, this was very relevant. Read the doctrine of the dictatorship of the proletariat, which today, no matter how when it became relevant.
  4. Cat
    +7
    30 September 2017 09: 16
    As a child, I sincerely believed that I live in the best and fairest state! The first doubt I personally had in the second grade. The story of "doubt" is this. My parents and I were given a new apartment, where we moved from a wooden private house of my grandfather and grandmother who came under demolition. Two more families whose children were my peers moved to the site with us. Naturally, after moving to the playground, a spontaneous Sabbath from the children appeared. Then I was surprised by a girl on the site who boasted that they had moved to a new apartment from the apartment of a more “old house”, rented out literally three years ago. But! Which could not boast of the title of "improved layout." Her words, “Papa turned around, went to the district secretary. Mom made changes to the lists and everything is okay!” Those two moved into our old dvushka, and we into the new trash. ”Then the“ injustice of the situation ”struck me. Since we all knew that families with one child were given a two-room apartment, and with two or more three-room apartments. But the fault was those people who apparently had a new three-room apartment, but got a second-hand two-room apartment. Then 11-year-old Sashka Smolnikov blurted out an unknown word to me - "nomenclature." I recognized him later, but the sediment of the injustice of the situation in my soul gave a crack that still exists. My grandfather’s comment “Stalin is gone” was even simpler!
    Now about Stalin! You can argue for a long time about his role in the history of our country, but the fact that it is extremely significant is without a doubt!
    1. +1
      30 September 2017 09: 27
      Quote: Kotischa
      Now about Stalin!

      so under Stalin the “nomenclature” also rose, though it’s worth admitting that it was not “unsinkable” then, but the foundation was laid.
    2. +7
      30 September 2017 10: 04
      Quote: Kotischa
      in the best and fairest state

      And what is wrong ? Yes, there were shortcomings, including those that you mentioned, and of course this is unfair. But! Compared with the capitalist countries, the shortcomings of the Soviet system are just babbling. You see, some kind of bureaucrat has caught an extra room for himself. Yes, you look at the current Russian Federation first laughing
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        30 September 2017 11: 40
        Quote: rkkasa 81
        Compared with the capitalist countries, the shortcomings of the Soviet system are just babbling.

        and what was so terrible there?
        Quote: rkkasa 81
        some bureaucrat had caught an extra room for himself.

        so the bureaucrat was not alone, you see
        1. +5
          30 September 2017 15: 27
          Quote: verner1967
          and what was so terrible there?

          A sharp gap between the layers - a small group of super-rich, a little more - just the rich, then the middle class, then the poor, and the poor. The Soviet Union in this regard is a much fairer state.
          Quote: verner1967
          so the bureaucrat was not alone, you see

          In the cap. countries, such bureaucrats, and not only much more, and they own various goods much larger than the bulk of the population. Against this background, the bureaucrats room of the Soviet is simply ridiculous (although of course this is also unfair, and this had to be fought).
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            30 September 2017 18: 18
            Quote: rkkasa 81
            then the poor and the poor. The Soviet Union in this regard is a much fairer state.

            all were poor)))
            Quote: rkkasa 81
            Against them, the bureaucrat’s bureaucrat’s room is just ridiculous

            even bureaucrats were poor
            1. +3
              30 September 2017 19: 31
              Quote: verner1967
              all were poor)))

              You’re bracing. Beggars were in the Republic of Ingushetia, and there are now, in the Russian Federation, as well as in all other capes. countries. In the USSR, with the exception of the post-war periods, there were no beggars.
              1. +1
                30 September 2017 19: 38
                Quote: rkkasa 81
                Beggars were in RI

                yes, yes, yes ... that’s exactly how it was, calm down ... Just tell me why people fled to the capitalist countries despite the Iron Curtain, but didn’t there flow to the socialist paradise? The average salary in the USSR is approximately equal to $ 290, even at the inflated exchange rate, which has nothing to do with the real one; in the United States, $ 1000 is far from the highest salary, even those unemployed for benefits and they had a car. What are you talking about?
                1. +4
                  30 September 2017 19: 45
                  Quote: verner1967
                  What are you talking about?

                  You? As always, distort and lie.

                  25 years have passed since the beginning of perestroika, and the country has not restored even a 1985 level by a single vital indicator. Therefore, when we take the 1980 USSR as the basis for comparison, it should be remembered that 35 years have passed since the end of the war that year — only ten years more than from the beginning of “outstanding democratic transformations”.
                  Before comparing, I would like to make one extremely significant fact that elves with propaganda-repulsed brains are not able to categorically comprehend. The USSR only as a result of the German attack was lost in 1941-1945. about a third of national wealth. In material terms, this is the following .... https: //pikabu.ru/story/sravnenie_ur
                  ovnya_zhizni_sssr_1980_i_ssha_2008_3891025
                  1. +1
                    30 September 2017 21: 47
                    Quote: Pancir026
                    The USSR only as a result of the German attack was lost in 1941-1945. about a third of national wealth. In material terms, this is the following ...

                    it is clear that something always disturbs a bad dancer. I just want to remind you that West Germany did not flourish after the war, if the USSR had three-quarters of the territory left untouched and had natural resources, then Germany was rolled into smoke, plus (or rather minus) reparations and indemnities, and they live like winners, compare with our retired veterans. Yes, and yet, by the 39th year in providing food for the population of the USSR, it had not reached the indicators of 1913.
                    1. +3
                      30 September 2017 22: 40
                      Quote: verner1967
                      something always disturbs a bad dancer. I just want to remind you that West Germany did not flourish after the war, if the USSR had three-quarters of the territory left untouched and had natural resources, then Germany was rolled into smoke, plus (or rather minus) reparations and indemnities, and they live like winners, compare with our retired veterans.

                      Firstly, in West Germany, to overcome the devastation, they swelled a lot of money according to the Marshall plan. In the USSR, everything had to be lifted by ourselves, to save on ourselves. But look at Germany, it is now completely dependent on the United States, as if its occupation continues. They told the US to accept Arab refugees, and they accept despite their capabilities.
                      Secondly, the Western world still has colonies, they are certainly dependent not politically, but economically. Western countries export their capital to third world countries and pump out excess profit from it, exploiting the indigenous population. And whom did the USSR exploit? No one.
                      And the excess profits received in third countries, by the way, allow their workers to pay good salaries so that they do not oppose the government. Where could the USSR get superprofits? Nowhere.
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                        30 September 2017 23: 07
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        Where could the USSR get superprofits? Nowhere.

                        The USSR received them, for raw materials and products, only less had to be spent on the help of "our smaller brothers" and on the maintenance of the huge apparatus of the CPSU
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        in West Germany, to overcome the devastation, they swelled a lot of money according to the Marshall plan.

                        and no one forced the Bolsheviks to go into isolation
                    2. +3
                      1 October 2017 07: 48
                      Quote: verner1967
                      Yes, and yet, by the 39th year in providing food for the population of the USSR, it had not reached the indicators of 1913.

                      Something about this was falsely sung by the unforgettable Olgovich-Alexander, will you also give the source of your lies-State Department manuals and the author of these tales?
                      1. 0
                        1 October 2017 08: 58
                        Quote: Pancir026
                        the author of these tales?

                        my young friend, I myself saw the shelves of our stores in the 70-80s so uzbahytes
                      2. +1
                        1 October 2017 09: 23
                        Quote: verner1967
                        my young friend, I myself saw the shelves of our stores in the 70-80s so uzbahytes

                        Are you talking about yourself? A young man at 51?
                        The word JUNIOR is written with one letter N. Go to school, study.
                        Quote: verner1967
                        our you with a brush

                        Oh ... well, it’s clear how and where they “served” ...
                  2. 0
                    30 September 2017 21: 52
                    yes, and your whole opus what does it have to do with
                    Quote: verner1967
                    The average salary in the USSR is approximately equal to $ 290, even at the exaggerated rate, which has nothing to do with the real one; in the same USA, $ 1000 is far from the highest salary,

                    so dear
                    Quote: Pancir026
                    You! As always, distort and lie.
                    ours to you hi with brush laughing
                    1. +3
                      30 September 2017 22: 53
                      Quote: verner1967
                      Quote: verner1967
                      The average salary in the USSR is approximately equal to $ 290, even at the exaggerated rate, which has nothing to do with the real one; in the same USA, $ 1000 is far from the highest salary,

                      Dear, the income of a resident of the USSR even with a salary of 290 am.dol. was higher than the US resident at 1000 am. dale , who attributed everything he received to banks for a 30-year loan for an apartment, for a car, for crazy utility bills, and then ate an ersatz like a hot dog, from which dogs die instantly, chickens stuffed with antibiotics, apples chopped formalin, ate plastic sausage, which melted during frying and wore synthetics from which boils appeared on the neck.
                      But a resident of the USSR had his own apartment, or even a house, the food was very cheap and natural, the clothes and shoes were hygienic, maybe not as beautiful as the mods wanted, but useful for health. Well, whoever wanted to sew himself to order was no worse than Western ones.
                      But now we have caught up with the West, we also live like them, we even have a kiwi, as Yeltsin was proud, only now the nation has no health and are dying off at a frantic pace. So take care of the brush, it’s useful to make repairs. otherwise they will soon rise in price.
                      1. 0
                        30 September 2017 23: 08
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        he took it to banks for a 30-year loan for an apartment, for a car, for crazy utility bills, and then ate an ersatz like a hot dog, from which dogs die instantly, hens that were stuffed with antibiotics, apples that were chopped with formalin, ate plastic sausage that melted when frying and wore synthetics from which boils appeared on the neck.

                        Stop. after that it’s useless to read further laughing
                2. +4
                  30 September 2017 20: 51
                  Quote: verner1967
                  why people fled to capstran

                  Because on average, the standard of living in the west was higher. Is always. They are the center, we are the periphery. They have education-science-industry, we have agricultural (moreover, in a bad climate) and forest. We get goods loans from there, we go there - raw materials. It is significant that in our country at the beginning of the 15th century the urban population is about 17-XNUMX percent, and in Germany almost half, in England and France, about the same. By the way, far more people fell from the Republic of Ingushetia and from the Russian Federation to the west and fells than from the USSR. And from different Poland-Czech Republic-Hungary too.
                  In the Soviet period, it was not possible to quickly achieve this Western standard of living, mainly due to the efforts of the same West. I mean the wars that the West unleashed against our country.
                  Quote: verner1967
                  The average salary in the USSR is approximately equal to $ 290 ... in the same US $ 1000

                  OK. And how much did it cost to get an education in the USSR? Honey. help ? Housing? And when was the last time the war went on in the US? What were the starting conditions for them in 1917, and ours? What is the geographical position of the USA and the USSR?
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                    30 September 2017 21: 49
                    Quote: rkkasa 81
                    And when was the last time the war went on in the US? What were the starting conditions for them in 1917, and ours? What is the geographical position of the USA and the USSR?

                    Do you think that RI was in other latitudes and time zones? I already wrote about the dancer above hi
            2. Cat
              +4
              1 October 2017 06: 29
              Quote: verner1967
              Quote: rkkasa 81
              then the poor and the poor. The Soviet Union in this regard is a much fairer state.

              all were poor)))
              Quote: rkkasa 81
              Against them, the bureaucrat’s bureaucrat’s room is just ridiculous

              even bureaucrats were poor

              At one time, my father on my fingers tried to explain who such beggars are. I would not say that he did it. It was 1987 - I was 9 years old. Who knew that history would make its somersault and I would have such an opportunity.
              So, in all circumstances, I believe that in the social plan of the USSR, a fairer state than modern Russia.
              1. +3
                1 October 2017 09: 00
                Quote: Kotischa
                At one time, my father on my fingers tried to explain who such beggars are. I would not say that he did it.

                correctly, in order to explain who such beggars should be compared with middle-class and rich people, in the USSR they were all uniformly poor, the contrast could be seen only when you get into capstrana with $ 30 on your hands, graciously allowed to change your beloved by the state. And since you did not have such an opportunity, then no wonder ...
                1. +3
                  1 October 2017 12: 52
                  Quote: verner1967
                  in the USSR everyone was evenly impoverished, the contrast could be seen only when you find yourself in a capstrana with $ 30 in your hands, graciously allowed to exchange you with our beloved state.

                  You are mistaken, this is only the appearance that all lived in abundance abroad. In the 80s We somehow bought push-button telephones in Rotterdam, and so the owner of the store, to show that the phone was working, only stuck it in the telephone network and picked up the receiver. We asked him to make a phone call somewhere to make a complete check of the phone, to which he replied that he could not, because it will be expensive to build. See, saved even on phone calls. And we have a call from a telephone booth cost 2 pennies a penny.
                  And 30 bucks were changed for you, not so that you would buy goods there and bring them to the USSR for sale, but so that you could go by transport and go to the museum so that you would have a cultural rest. but they didn’t look headlong where the goods were cheaper.
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                    1 October 2017 15: 53
                    Quote: Alexander Green
                    We asked him to make a phone call somewhere to make a complete check of the phone, to which he replied that he could not, because it will be expensive to build.

                    most likely, he just misunderstood you and thought that you want to call home. To call on a local network there is free of charge from a fixed point
                    Quote: Alexander Green
                    And 30 bucks were not changed for you so that you bought goods there

                    Quote: Alexander Green
                    In the 80s somehow we bought push-button telephones in Rotterdam,

                    I'm sorry, but what kind of buttons are you push-button? telephones bought, engaged in farce? laughing
                    Quote: Alexander Green
                    so that you can drive by car and go to the museum, so that you have a cultural rest. but they didn’t look headlong where the goods were cheaper.

                    what a caring state, I’ll cry right now ... crying it saved currency, so that at an inflated exchange rate for cheapening it would not be dragged off a hill. Therefore, article 88 of the Criminal Code of the USSR existed so that the economic security of the state that was breathing in the cold was not shaken.
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                      1 October 2017 17: 17
                      Quote: verner1967

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                      verner1967 Today, 15:53 PM ↑ New
                      Quote: Alexander Green
                      We asked him to make a phone call somewhere to make a complete check of the phone, to which he replied that he could not, because it will be expensive to build.

                      most likely, he just misunderstood you and thought that you want to call home. To call on a local network there is free of charge from a fixed point

                      Merchants all over the world in those days all knew Russian very well.
                      Quote: verner1967
                      Excuse me, but what kind of shichi did you buy button phones at the time, were you doing faz?

                      Received per diem in return for business trips.
                      Quote: verner1967
                      Therefore, article 88 of the Criminal Code of the USSR existed so that the economic security of the state that was breathing in the cold was not shaken.

                      The article is correct, there is no need to cry, the article defended the state’s monopoly on foreign trade.
                      1. 0
                        2 October 2017 21: 38
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        Received per diem in return for business trips.

                        how did the state not "take care" of your cultural enrichment and give so much money? laughing
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        most likely, he just misunderstood you and thought that you want to call home.

                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        Merchants all over the world in those days all knew Russian very well.

                        You exaggerate, of course, but where were you going to call in a strange city?
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        The article defended the state’s monopoly on foreign trade.

                        from whom? from poor citizens? What are you talking about? laughing
  5. +7
    30 September 2017 09: 22
    Thank you for the article.
  6. +19
    30 September 2017 12: 08
    in his last work, Stalin speaks in detail about the advisability of creating an economic bloc of post-colonial and socialist countries, aimed, inter alia, at the “de-dollarization” of their foreign trade and financial system.

    That's what you need to take weapons
    When Stalin once asked reporters: what is the ruble provided for?
    He replied: QUANTITY and QUALITY of goods produced in the USSR.
    But really - what else? This should be the aim of the economy.
    And all these purely financial modern games - from the evil one.
    Even Peter the Great bequeathed 2 pillars of the economy - protectionism and mercantilism.
    Everything is already there, nothing needs to be invented - the main thing is that the head of state should not be pests and proteges of foreign capital, but REALLY caring for the welfare of the people.
    Collected works of I. Stalin is a strong thing, I recommend
  7. +2
    30 September 2017 15: 24
    Jew Mordechai (Marx) and Georgians Dzhugashvili (Stalin) were still those "economists."

    Mordechai wrote an absolutely graphomaniac monograph entitled Capital, where he transfers from empty to empty the simplest economic concept of "surplus value" worthy of an article no more than on an 2-3 page.

    Dzhugashvili published a lot of junk "economic" articles, where he, in the style of a semi-literate student in a seminary, confused in words and terms, tries to pose as a scientist.

    In reality, Dzhugashvili was just a politician and had only one talent for his soul - organizational, i.e. the ability to arrange the right people in the right places: the state apparatus, production, the military sphere, science and culture. To ascribe the scientist’s laurels to the outstanding personnel manager-organizer is simply ridiculous and, in essence, is a mockery of the leader of our country from 1924 to 1953.
    1. +3
      30 September 2017 15: 49
      Quote: Operator
      Mordechai wrote an absolutely graphomaniac monograph entitled Capital, where he transfers from empty to empty the simplest economic concept of "surplus value" worthy of an article no more than on an 2-3 page.

      Dzhugashvili published a lot of junk "economic" articles, where he, in the style of a semi-literate student in a seminary, confused in words and terms, tries to pose as a scientist.

      To criticize K. Marx and I.V. Stalin, one must stand at least on the same step. You don’t even notice that you have "Aunt Beti's syndrome." Have not heard of such a disease? I will explain.
      The girl looks at the portrait of Karl Marx and asks her mother: "Mom, who is this?"
      Mom answers: "This is Karl Marx."
      Girl: "And who was he?"
      Mom: The Economist
      Girl: "How is our Aunt Betya?"
      Mom: "Nah, what are you, our aunt Betya is a st-a-arsh economist!"
      1. 0
        30 September 2017 16: 19
        First, understand the economic science that Adam Smith created from time to time (including the notorious surplus value), and then get into a discussion with his own aunt Bethey from Adessa laughing
        1. +1
          30 September 2017 16: 36
          Quote: Operator
          First, understand the economic science that Adam Smith created from time to time (including the notorious surplus value), and then get into a discussion with his own aunt Bethey from Adessa

          Sorry, but Aunt is not guilty that her syndrome is so contagious. See how many critics like you are on the forum.
          1. +2
            30 September 2017 16: 42
            You turn on yourself - clean the porridge in your head from the economic husks of Mordechai and Dzhugashvili.
            1. +2
              30 September 2017 18: 10
              Quote: Operator
              You turn on yourself - clean the porridge in your head from the economic husks of Mordechai and Dzhugashvili.

              The theory - whether it is economic husk or not - can only be verified in practice. In the USSR, according to the theory of K. Marx and the activities of I.V. Stalin built a very effective economy of socialism, its finest hour fell on the late 40s and early 50s. Now all this "economic husk", as you say, is discarded. And where are all the former Soviet republics now? Everyone has freedom from everyone, so prove that capitalism is good and right, make the economy more effective than under Stalin, make everyone live well, and I will say that I'm wrong. Under the socialist economy there were no crises, medicine and education were free, for gas, for electricity, for a flat they paid a minuscule. What now? So the porridge is still in your head, despite the fact. what you "figured out"
              Quote: Operator
              in economic science, which Adam Smith created from and to (including the notorious surplus value),
              1. +1
                30 September 2017 18: 35
                Do not confuse the successful economic practice of Dzhugashvili with his graphomaniac "economic theory."

                Joseph Vissarionovich had a forgivable human weakness - in every case, up to physical education, he wanted to be the first laughing
                1. +2
                  30 September 2017 19: 51
                  Quote: Operator
                  Joseph Vissarionovich

                  Stalin, unlike you, had tremendous performance and knowledge of the subject. Which he was engaged in. You have neither one nor the other. Stalin is the leader of the country. Leader. Whatever you call, you are nobody.
                  The powerful people of this world were considered Stalin. I’m tearing you apart, no one counts.
                  In general, in vain you write in a couple with 67 .. opuses in the form of comments, a person who understands the situation a little bit, understands that you are driving a dummy under the guise of "knowledge", which is not even mentioned.
                  1. +1
                    30 September 2017 20: 04
                    Quote: Pancir026
                    Stalin Leader

                    I do not argue with this (moreover, I insist) - but you are nobody.
                    1. +1
                      1 October 2017 07: 52
                      Quote: Operator
                      Moreover, I insist) - here I am no one.

                      Powerfully you about yourself, self-critical
                    2. 0
                      1 October 2017 09: 03
                      Quote: Operator
                      I do not argue with this (moreover, I insist)

                      as one opponent wrote here, take care of the bisser laughing this armor for lack of arguments always goes to the level of conversation, such as "the fool himself"
                      1. +2
                        1 October 2017 11: 37
                        Quote: verner1967
                        save the bisser

                        Do you demonstrate literacy? BEADS-so in Russian.
                        And the fact that you are dreaming here does not look like beads at all.
                        It has a slightly different naming — the sheep produce.
              2. 0
                30 September 2017 18: 51
                Quote: Alexander Green
                Under the socialist economy there were no crises, medicine and education were free, for gas, for electricity, for a flat they paid a minuscule.

                and how long did this education last?
                Quote: Alexander Green
                a very effective economy of socialism, its finest hour fell on the end of the 40s and beginning of the 50s.

                while the factories and technologies exported from Germany and received under Lend-Lease and bought from the USA in the 30s were relevant, and then the backlog went
                Quote: Alexander Green
                make everyone live well

                yes, that is, you advocate that the loafer and idler live as well as a hard worker? In the 70s, my father, a first-class specialist who received the order for the development of new equipment, received a demobilization from the state an apartment in the same house, respectively, of the same quality as the loader Uncle Tolya, who did not dry out and change jobs every six months. Sorry, I don’t want to go back to such a society.
                1. +1
                  30 September 2017 19: 53
                  Quote: verner1967
                  Sorry, I don’t want to go back to such a society.

                  Your father may have been, a respected member of society, you are not. Why?
                  Yes, everything is clear from your comments.
                  At the heart of every capital, marital status, is always a crime .. you don’t want to
                  Quote: verner1967
                  I don’t want to go back to such a society.

                  There is something to lose and what to be afraid of?
                  1. 0
                    30 September 2017 21: 56
                    Quote: Pancir026
                    Your father may have been a respected member of society.
                    yes, you are right and you see, therefore, I followed in his footsteps and achieved a little more than him, so I really
                    Quote: Pancir026
                    There is something to lose and what to be afraid of?
                    therefore, when the next Sharikovs and Shvonders came to power, I will go to the barricades, regardless of my age. And you defend this system, apparently because you look like a character like
                    Quote: verner1967
                    the loader Uncle Tolya, who is awake and changes work every six months
                    and you have nothing to lose, you would
                    take everything and share

                    1. +2
                      30 September 2017 23: 03
                      Quote: verner1967
                      yes, you are right and you see, therefore, I followed in his footsteps and achieved a little more than him, so I really
                      Quote: Pancir026
                      There is something to lose and what to be afraid of?
                      therefore, when the next Sharikovs and Shvonders came to power, I will go to the barricades, regardless of my age. And you defend this system, apparently because you look like a character like

                      If you have achieved everything that you have with your own labor and do not exploit others, you have nothing to fear. But if not, then I'm sorry, many will have to leave.
                      1. 0
                        30 September 2017 23: 11
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        do not exploit others

                        I've always been surprised at this phrase, which means
                        exploiting others?
                        Slavery in our country is not, in any case, legalized.
                2. +3
                  30 September 2017 20: 16
                  Quote: verner1967
                  as a loader, Uncle Tolya, non-drying and changing jobs every six months. Sorry, I don’t want to go back to such a society.

                  But today's Bolsheviks do not call Khrushchev-Brezhnev and not Gorbachov’s model socialism, but the Stalinist model of socialism, when the work of all enterprises was focused not on profit but on reducing production costs, as a result of which annual retail prices fell. And then the workers' teams then worked for the final product, they received wages for the whole team, but taking into account the category. If you want to get more study, increase your rank. If you came across nets or drunks, they were brought up ... they could have hurt their sides.
                  But then, when they introduced a material interest in the form of a labor participation rate, the teams scattered, collectivism was replaced by individualism, each became for itself: I don’t drink, I don’t quarrel with the brigade leader, I have a good outfit and a good labor participation rate, which means a good salary, and a loader Uncle Tolya drinks, well, to hell with him, I do not care about him. It was from this that the Soviet people disappeared, a gradual shift of mass consciousness towards the petty-bourgeois philistinism, philistinism destroyed proletarian collectivism. This is one of the reasons for the temporary defeat of socialism and the Soviet state.
                  1. 0
                    30 September 2017 22: 00
                    Quote: Alexander Green
                    when the work of all enterprises was focused not on profit, but on reducing the cost of production, as a result of which annual reductions in retail prices took place.

                    Cossacks happy Panas, damn it!
                    1. +2
                      30 September 2017 23: 06
                      Quote: verner1967
                      Quote: Alexander Green
                      when the work of all enterprises was focused not on profit, but on reducing the cost of production, as a result of which annual reductions in retail prices took place.

                      Cossacks happy Panas, damn it!


                      The militia, or now the police, says that not knowing the law does not absolve from responsibility, sorry, dear, I can’t say that not knowing the history is punishable by history itself.
                      But it would be nice if the history of punishment for its not knowledge and especially for distortions !!!.
                      1. Cat
                        +2
                        1 October 2017 19: 14
                        Dear Alexander, You are quoting an old Roman proverb - ignorantia legislation non excusat.
                  2. 0
                    1 October 2017 09: 06
                    Quote: Alexander Green
                    and the loader Uncle Tolya drinks, well, to hell with him, I do not care

                    Quote: Alexander Green
                    It was from this that the Soviet people disappeared, a gradual shift of mass consciousness towards the petty-bourgeois philistinism, philistinism destroyed proletarian collectivism.

                    no, should I quit the service and drink with this lumpen? What the hell
                    Quote: Alexander Green
                    proletarian collectivism

                    I served in the army, enough to feed me with slogans.
                    1. +2
                      1 October 2017 12: 58
                      Quote: verner1967
                      no, should I quit the service and drink with this lumpen? What the hell
                      Quote: Alexander Green
                      proletarian collectivism

                      I served in the army, enough to feed me with slogans.

                      And didn’t you have a collective in the army? For example, we were taught that one for all and all for one, and those who did not understand this were educated.
                      1. 0
                        1 October 2017 15: 56
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        And didn’t you have a collective in the army?

                        Of course I was, but there were no movers, but did you have?
  8. +2
    30 September 2017 23: 19
    Quote: verner1967
    Quote: Alexander Green
    Where could the USSR get superprofits? Nowhere.

    The USSR received them, for raw materials and products, only less had to be spent on the help of "our smaller brothers" and on the maintenance of the huge apparatus of the CPSU
    Quote: Alexander Green
    in West Germany, to overcome the devastation, they swelled a lot of money according to the Marshall plan.

    and no one forced the Bolsheviks to go into isolation


    Dear, do not repeat other people's stupidities, Firstly, they never brought superprofits raw materials, secondly, fraternal assistance was not free, thirdly, no funds from the state budget were spent on the maintenance of the CPSU apparatus, party workers received salaries from contributions and from proceeds for their newspapers and magazines.
    Well, as for the isolation of the Bolsheviks, it is also not true, the isolation of the Bolsheviks after the war was a foregone conclusion, because the West feared that the example of the USSR would be contagious for their peoples, and therefore they had set the iron curtain for us. And what kind of patriot are you then, if you agree that the Soviet Union should become a vassal of the United States for the sake of assistance under the Marshall plan.
    1. 0
      1 October 2017 09: 28
      Quote: Alexander Green
      First, the raw materials of superprofits never brought

      Well, yes, yes ... only the USSR, a lot, lived on oil money, moreover, if there is no raw material, you have to buy it, and this is an additional source of expenses.
      Quote: Alexander Green
      secondly, fraternal assistance was not free,

      yeah, of course, at first it seemed like some kind of stipulation was made (usually ridiculous, and then debited, well, a very profitable article)
      Quote: Alexander Green
      party workers received salaries from contributions and from proceeds for their newspapers and magazines.

      that is exactly how it could have been, but not a single salary, as they say .... but the contents of the buildings and structures of the party apparatus, the support of the communist movement around the world, all this for 30 rubles of contributions and 10 kopecks from the sale of the Pravda newspaper?
      Quote: Alexander Green
      if you agree, for the sake of assistance under the Marshall Plan, the USSR will become a vassal of the United States.

      but where is it written about the vassal?
      Quote: Alexander Green
      that the example of the USSR will be contagious for their peoples,

      thank you, neighing in the morning)))) the people of the USA, France and Germany (western) just rushed to the USSR, to fall, so to speak, to the source of goods)))) As soon as the USSR stopped financing their Communist Parties, they immediately bent down .
      1. +2
        1 October 2017 13: 01
        Quote: verner1967
        thanks, neighing in the morning)

        So that in the mornings you don’t laugh like a horse, engage in self-education, start with dialectics, it will help you to see phenomena as they are, and not as they seem.
        1. +1
          1 October 2017 16: 11
          Quote: Alexander Green
          start with dialectics, it will help you to see phenomena as they are, and not as they seem.

          yes ... if the counter in the store is empty, and the goods are sold from the back porch, then the goods are as if there is, but it seems that they are not. Also, with summer trips to the sea, which are distributed among leaders and especially close, they also seem to be there, but there’s no way to take them ... And instead of the social benefits promised to us by the communists, we have to read the dialectic. You know, this masturbation is called, like there is an act, but there is no woman ... that's all dialectics.
          1. +2
            1 October 2017 17: 26
            Quote: verner1967
            You know, this masturbation is called, like there is an act, but there is no woman ... that's all dialectics.

            Dear, you confuse dialectics with sophistry.
            1. 0
              2 October 2017 21: 40
              Quote: Alexander Green
              you confuse dialectics with sophistry.

              and you confuse dialectics with life
              1. 0
                3 October 2017 19: 04
                Quote: verner1967
                Quote: Alexander Green
                you confuse dialectics with sophistry.

                and you confuse dialectics with life

                Dear, you wrote stupidity that you do not even understand.
                Remember: Dialectics is a method of knowing life.
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                  3 October 2017 19: 19
                  Dear, you wrote stupidity that you do not even understand.
                  Remember: Dialectics is a method of knowing life.[/ quote] yes, yes ... in theory, I knew it more and more in practice.
                  1. 0
                    3 October 2017 19: 25
                    [quote = verner1967] Remember: Dialectics is a method of knowing life. [/ Quote] Yes, yes ... in theory, I knew it more and more in practice. [/ Quote]
                    Well, if you did not teach dialectics according to Hegel, then you would have to become a communist. But something you did not grow together.
  9. +2
    1 October 2017 00: 57
    Quote: verner1967
    Quote: Alexander Green
    he took it to banks for a 30-year loan for an apartment, for a car, for crazy utility bills, and then ate an ersatz like a hot dog, from which dogs die instantly, hens that were stuffed with antibiotics, apples that were chopped with formalin, ate plastic sausage that melted when frying and wore synthetics from which boils appeared on the neck.

    Stop. after that it’s useless to read further

    It feels like you never wore nylon shirts in winter (that's about synthetics), and did not eat foreign apples pumped with formalin to stay longer (and they are so bitter), and did not try to fry their sausage (it really melts).
    1. 0
      1 October 2017 09: 21
      Quote: Alexander Green
      It feels like you never wore nylon shirts in winter (that's about synthetics), and did not eat foreign apples pumped with formalin to stay longer (and they are so bitter), and did not try to fry their sausage (it really melts).

      I don’t know where you take all this shit, but I really didn’t use it. By the way, nylon shirts in the USSR, at one time, were top chic and it was very problematic to get them (remember the film “Nylon 100%” ?, however, it’s not really about a shirt there), which once again confirms my post about universal poverty in the USSR
      1. +4
        1 October 2017 09: 31
        Quote: verner1967
        (remember the film "Nylon 100%" ?, however, it’s not really about a shirt there), which once again confirms my post about universal poverty in the USSR

        It does not confirm anything. Fiction is not a basis for fact.
        However, there is a part of the population similar to you, which just thinks that in the year 89 commercials still went in bast shoes and onuchas. Change the methodology.
        The average American is obliged to give a thousand dollars a month for the “three rubles”. In total, he will have 140 dollars a month for all the joys of life. Of which 82 must be paid for heat and electrics
        The average Russian, giving $ 37 equivalent for an apartment, was left with just two hundred (and four dollars for little things like heating and electricity)
        68_US vs SU_200
        Accomodation
        The price of housing in the USSR. 1980 Rent.
        1. The price of the rent for a standard two-room “state” apartment in Moscow was 12.5 rubles per month.
        2. The price of the phone is 4 rubles. Per month.
        3. The average price of electricity - 0.02 rub. per kilowatt hour
        4. Gas - unlimited use 2 rubles per month
        5. Heating - 2 rubles per month.
        The price of housing in the United States in 2009. Rent.
        1. The rental price of a 1-bedroom apartment is at least $ 700 outside major cities. The popular site www.realtor.com for Alexandria (a suburb of Washington) gives a minimum price of $ 900 dollars for an apartment of 590 square feet (less than 50 square meters). In the range of up to $ 1000, only 15 offers were found for the approximately one-millionth suburb. Http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhome
        s-search / Alexandria _...
        2. The price of a landline phone is $ 36 dollars per month
        3. Price of water - $ 30-50 depending on consumption
        4. Electricity price - US average - $ 0.11 per kWh
        5. Gas - depends on consumption. I personally, though for the house in the winter I paid 360 dollars for 3 months, that is, about 120 dollars a month. In fact, this is also the price of heating and hot water. Https://pikabu.ru/story/sravnenie_urovnya_zh
        izni_sssr_1980_i_ssha_2008_3891025

        Housing conversion factor:

        The total cost of housing in the USSR for a two-room apartment is about 25 rubles per month.
        The total cost of housing in the United States for the equivalent “1-berum” apartment is about $ 1000 per month.
        Thus, the conversion factor: 1000: 25 = 40. That is, in housing, the purchasing power of the Soviet ruble is approximately 40 modern dollars.

        It seems to me that with this layout, it would be possible to tolerate somewhat more expensive televisions and vodka.
        And considering, let’s say, teaching an older child at MAI / MSU / MISI / MEPhI and a “trade union” ticket to a rest house (Crimea / Sochi) - in addition to dancing the younger child with dancing / basketball / modeling ... ... it’s interesting
        1. 0
          1 October 2017 09: 44
          Quote: Pancir026
          And given, say,

          yes, it’s all clear, only on paper, in life, it’s somehow different. By the number of cars, refrigerators, vacuum cleaners .... per capita look and everything will fall into place. In addition, the flow of emigrants speaks for itself, do you think people are fools?
          Quote: Pancir026
          The average American is obliged to give a thousand dollars a month for the “three rubles”. In total, he will have 140 dollars a month for all the joys of life. Of which 82 must be paid for heat and electrics
          and if we look at them at home. and our so-called well-maintained apartment, in which they have unemployed blacks living in the "ghetto", that it is hard to believe that they are the last .... eat up without salt. And for some reason, dinners and dinners at their restaurants, and not in the kitchens, at whose expense is the banquet? By the way, the restaurant is there, it’s not a fetish like ours, but an ordinary catering.
          1. +5
            1 October 2017 10: 02
            Quote: verner1967
            refrigerators, vacuum cleaners .... look at per capita and everything will fall into place.

            Come on. You sho, could not buy a vacuum cleaner? The carapace still did not compare the metro passage. How much did it cost in 80? The dollar, no? Now two with cents, like, in New York.
            1. 0
              1 October 2017 10: 48
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              still metro travel did not compare

              and all Americans therefore take a taxi, and why could you afford a taxi in the USSR? ))) So, every day, easily? "Our people don’t take a taxi to the bakery!" Remember from the Diamond Hand? In the end, people got tired of it and collapsed in the 91st USSR. There were only shells wailing about the past, who had lost Soviet shovels in Yalta and Sochi at half price in October with a neighbor on a creaking bed and a crush for processed cheese in a store, and sausage trains to Moscow. I can not imagine a sausage train somewhere in New York laughing
              1. +5
                1 October 2017 11: 14
                Quote: verner1967
                I can not imagine a sausage train somewhere in New York

                And I can’t imagine unemployed beggars at the store. And workers who work without holidays and sick leave. Incidentally, they gave me a ticket to Crimea for free.
                1. 0
                  1 October 2017 16: 18
                  Quote: Mordvin 3
                  Incidentally, they gave me a ticket to Crimea for free.

                  The Marriott Hotel is five stars, right? laughing In July, my friend, a GAZ employee, also vacationed in Sochi on a trip, they gave me free for the hard work (yes, and now it is), but I didn’t like it, a month later I called from the Crimea, where I went at my own expense.
                  Quote: verner1967
                  lost soviet bugs in Yalta and Sochi at half price in October with a neighbor in a creaky bed
                  keywords: bedbug, creaking bed and neighbor
                  I about it
                  Quote: Mordvin 3
                  And I can’t imagine unemployed beggars at the store.

                  and you were not in the Uzbek SSR? They mainly lived there. And those who wandered around Russia, so they hid from the cops, and so they were. Remember how about the gopher, which is lol
                  1. +5
                    1 October 2017 16: 28
                    Quote: verner1967
                    And those who wandered around Russia, so they hid from the cops, and so they were.

                    Yeah, I also had a friend, I spent a year for parasitism. From drugs died at the beginning of zero. Nobody needed him for hell. He was not in the USSR, no.
                    1. 0
                      1 October 2017 16: 51
                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      Yeah, I also had a friend, I spent a year for parasitism.

                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      And I can’t imagine unemployed beggars at the store.

                      strange, he was a friend, but you can’t imagine the beggars ....
                      1. +3
                        1 October 2017 16: 55
                        Quote: verner1967
                        was a friend, but you can’t imagine the beggars ....

                        So he did not beg. Then he got hooked for robbery. At 8 years. Then he stole. And the fact that he stood with outstretched hand - this was not.
              2. 0
                1 October 2017 20: 22
                Quote: verner1967
                all Americans therefore take a taxi, and could you afford a taxi in the USSR?

                Where did you hear this, for 6 years in the 80s, by type of service, I visited the United States twice a year every two years (New Orleans, Savannah, etc.) and I have never seen all Americans take a taxi to work.
                1. 0
                  2 October 2017 06: 58
                  Quote: Alexander Green
                  and I’ve never seen all Americans take a taxi to work.

                  but I didn’t say that they all go to work by taxi, they have private cars for this
                  1. 0
                    3 October 2017 19: 06
                    Quote: verner1967
                    but I didn’t say that they all go to work by taxi, they have private cars for this

                    Really at all? For example, I took their bus with port workers from New Orleans.
                    1. 0
                      3 October 2017 19: 20
                      Quote: Alexander Green
                      For example, I took their bus with port workers from New Orleans.

                      so what
          2. +3
            1 October 2017 10: 19
            Quote: verner1967
            In addition, the flow of emigrants speaks for itself, do you think people are fools?

            I don’t care much about the stream of sausage emigrants, those who allegedly fled to Israel, then came to America. I equally do not care about them and their like whining, that supposedly, something was not there, I didn’t observe empty refrigerators, I didn’t see people in ruts and digging in garbage bins with hunger.
            Quote: verner1967
            and if we look at their homes and our so-called comfortable apartments

            We see that if not a strong wind, all of their props flies into the air. Our stand.
            Quote: verner1967
            unemployed blacks live in the "ghetto", that it is not believed that they are the last .... eat up without salt.

            The Welfer system is already difficult for the United States, so there is no need for professional beggars in the third generation to moan and tell tales about their lives.
            http://trueinform.ru/modules.php?name=News&si
            d = 4991
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              1 October 2017 10: 43
              Quote: Pancir026
              I don't care much

              then it’s not necessary to talk about white, say that it’s black, relax
              1. +1
                2 October 2017 10: 47
                Quote: verner1967
                then it’s not necessary to talk about white, say that it’s black, relax

                This is you about yourself. A lover to trick and distort?
          3. +1
            1 October 2017 13: 09
            Quote: verner1967
            yes, it’s all clear, only on paper, in life, it’s somehow different. By the number of cars, refrigerators, vacuum cleaners .... per capita look and everything will fall into place.

            Better yet, measure the arithmetic average, for example, the average temperature at the clinic, or the average salary in the country, add your salary and the salary of an oligarch, you get a good figure.
            1. 0
              1 October 2017 16: 22
              Quote: Alexander Green
              add up your salary and the salary of the oligarch, you get a good figure.

              oligarchs in the USSR ???? And then, I'm not talking about salary, but about the necessary things, what a fetish to have three vacuum cleaners, three refrigerators in a family .... a cigarette case of gold ... also three. What does the oligarch have to do with it? They are only 3-4 %% of the population, even their fleets will not cover the needs of the whole country.
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                1 October 2017 17: 44
                Quote: verner1967
                oligarchs in the USSR ???? And then, I'm not talking about salary, but about the necessary things, what a fetish to have three vacuum cleaners, three refrigerators in a family .... a cigarette case of gold ... also three. What does the oligarch have to do with it? They are only 3-4 %% of the population, even their fleets will not cover the needs of the whole country.

                You are not catching up with something, are you living in the USSR now? I gave you an example of today's life, to support your example, you wanted to show how bad it is to live in the USSR, there are few refrigerators and vacuum cleaners and cigarette cases per capita, and I help you, in contrasts, how good it is to live now - the average salary is The population, along with the oligarchs, is much higher than not average.
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                  2 October 2017 21: 44
                  Quote: Alexander Green
                  and I help you, in contrasts, how well it has become to live now

                  you help yourself figure it out. Living well has become one who works. And he does not need to look at what is the average salary in the country and look into the pocket of the oligarchs, drooling with envy.
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                    3 October 2017 19: 30
                    Quote: verner1967
                    Living well has become one who works. And he does not need to look at what is the average salary in the country and look into the pocket of the oligarchs, drooling with envy.

                    Oh oh From the works of the righteous do not acquire stone chambers.
      2. +2
        1 October 2017 13: 05
        Quote: verner1967
        I don’t know where you take all this shit, but I really didn’t use it. By the way, nylon shirts in the USSR, at one time, were top chic and it was very problematic to get them (remember the film “Nylon 100%” ?, however, it’s not really about a shirt there), which once again confirms my post about universal poverty in the USSR

        This only confirms that you are still young and have seen little in life, but that which you saw is not able to correctly evaluate.
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          1 October 2017 16: 25
          Quote: Alexander Green
          It just confirms that you are still young

          that is, the measure of age values ​​you have is to get drunk all shit and wear unsuitable clothes and shoes, right? And what’s in my refrigerator now, if I’m “correctly assessed”, are these not high-quality products, namely shit? Yes ... a kind of logic. Actually, I'm already old enough to distinguish a good sausage from a bad one and a good shirt from a synthetic product for the poor.
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            1 October 2017 17: 50
            Quote: verner1967
            Yes ... a kind of logic.

            It’s your kind of logic, I’m talking about Thomas, and you’re talking about Yerema, and we’re getting a discussion with you like “in the elderberry garden, and in Kiev the uncle.” I’m telling you about the Americans who wore nylon shirts, but you substitute yourself that you wouldn’t wear that, and you don’t believe that the Americans all wore them in the 60-70s. Therefore, I say that you are still young, you have not seen much and do not know much.
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              1 October 2017 18: 25
              Quote: Alexander Green
              I tell you about the Americans who wore nylon shirts

              and I wrote to you that the nylon shirts we had in the 60-70s were a deficit and the subject of a fetish is not accessible to everyone. Fashion was then like that, now Americans don’t wear synthetics, they wear textiles from China, cheap and high-quality. Nylon was not worn out of hopelessness. Well...
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                1 October 2017 19: 51
                Quote: verner1967
                and I wrote to you that the nylon shirts we had in the 60-70s were a deficit and the subject of a fetish is not accessible to everyone.

                And I wrote to you that from wearing nylon shirts, especially in winter, boils appeared on the neck, they were not hygienic, and our satin, chintz, silk were much more hygienic and better. There’s nothing to chase after fashion. For the West, fashion (now it has become for us) is the industry of pumping money.
  10. +2
    1 October 2017 12: 36
    Quote: verner1967
    Quote:
    my young friend, I myself saw the shelves of our stores in the 70-80s so uzbahytes

    Dear, I saw the counters of the early and mid 50s that were full of goods, including those that would later be called scarce. At this time, the Stalinist system of the economy was working, focused on reducing the cost of goods. But this prevented someone, and from the late 50s to the mid 60s, the economy was turned upside down, from which later all the deficits got out.
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      1 October 2017 16: 28
      Quote: Alexander Green
      Dear, but I saw the counters of the beginning and the middle of the 50s, which were full of goods,

      Yes, my mother told me about the shelves and about black caviar with crabs on store shelves that no one took due to lack of money. But it was in large cities, often in the newsreels before the start of the movie in clubs. On the ground, everything was much more modest.
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        1 October 2017 17: 58
        Quote: verner1967
        On the ground, everything was much more modest.

        I just lived in a modest working village. The prices of goods that are now used to being considered scarce were not higher than ordinary goods, but firstly, there was a consumer culture and did not buy much, and secondly, for everyday food, workers preferred other products, all these crabs, caviar were considered pampering.
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          1 October 2017 18: 21
          Quote: Alexander Green
          firstly, there was a consumption culture and did not buy much

          because there was not enough elementary money, by the way, this is for the second, too.
          In general, there is such a Summary of letters to the Central Committee of the CPSU on the unsatisfactory supply of the population with basic foodstuffs
          24.11.1955
          Read more: http://yablor.ru/blogs/izobilie-v-sssr/3721386
          http://yablor.ru/blogs/izobilie-v-sssr/3721386
          just in fact.
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          1 October 2017 18: 25
          Quote: Alexander Green
          Prices goods that are used to be considered scarce now

          From now on, if possible, more like. What kind of "goods" are these?
          Quote: Alexander Green
          I just lived in a modest working village

          Me too ... in the village. That's why it’s interesting, sorry feel
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            1 October 2017 19: 56
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            What kind of "goods" are these?

            Caviar, crabs, catfish, sahra, sprats, saury, coffee, smoked sausage, ham, etc. It all lay freely in the 50s. on the shelves, while the Stalinist law of socialism was in effect.
  11. +1
    1 October 2017 15: 46
    Quote: Pancir026
    A young man at 51?

    Wisdom does not always come with age. It happens that age comes alone. It's about you, old man. wassat
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      1 October 2017 15: 49
      verner1967-
      Quote: verner1967
      . It happens that age comes alone.

      This is about you, an unholy liar.
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        1 October 2017 16: 53
        Quote: Pancir026
        This is about you, an unholy liar.

        well, I didn’t expect another answer from you, everyone already knows that it’s you who merge when there is nothing to answer laughing
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    1 October 2017 17: 15
    Quote: Mordvin 3
    And the fact that he stood with outstretched hand - this was not.

    well, and now I don’t see beggars with an outstretched hand at the store, today I went to the temple, they stand there, but they always stood there. Place them on the porch)))
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      1 October 2017 17: 43
      Quote: verner1967
      well, so now I don’t see beggars with an outstretched hand at the store,

      But I see. I can take a picture, but reluctance.
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        1 October 2017 18: 16
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        But I see. I can take a picture, but reluctance.

        Well, now they don’t go to scourge to Uzbekistan, they remain at home and that the problem has not gone anywhere.
  13. +1
    1 October 2017 17: 23
    Quote: verner1967
    Of course I was, but there were no movers, but did you have?

    I thought that only docents are dull. You need to learn dialectics, otherwise you cannot abstract from loaders without it.
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      1 October 2017 18: 18
      Quote: Alexander Green
      You need to learn dialectics, otherwise you cannot abstract from loaders without it.

      you need closer to life from the dialectic, I’m specifically about the loader, you are some kind of slogans
      Quote: Alexander Green
      I thought that only docents are dull.

      you are probably an assistant professor laughing
      1. +2
        1 October 2017 20: 06
        Quote: verner1967
        you need closer to life from the dialectic, I’m specifically about the loader, you are some kind of slogans

        Yes, I tell you about my life that I saw, experienced, and you do not believe me. I tell you about the team, how people were brought up there, but you, as Styopa, don’t understand anything, you’re the one who brings the loader to the team. You either hurt your eyes, or envy that the Tolya loader got the same apartment as you. You want some justice, but the loader’s family also needs an apartment, not just you. You didn’t want to educate him, but it was possible, at that time there were comradely courts, a trade union committee, a factory committee, a party committee, which would not set the right path, would save a person. And you have a hut with the edge. (This is not a slogan, this is a popular saying)
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          2 October 2017 07: 04
          Quote: Alexander Green
          Give you specifically a loader to the team.

          yes ... apparently it's you
          Quote: Alexander Green
          how Styopa do not understand anything

          where does the loader? In the context of that post, the loader is a collective image; in our collective there were no such “movers” to educate them.
          Quote: Alexander Green
          at that time there were comradely courts, a trade union committee, a factory committee, a party committee, which would not set the right path

          and why judge him? He spends his salary (honestly earned, by the way) because he considers it necessary, does not stir, he does not violate the laws. And in general, why did you reduce the conversation to another topic, I’m not about education, but about equalization in the USSR.
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          2 October 2017 07: 08
          Quote: Alexander Green
          I tell you about the team, how people were raised there

          this is called a war with windmills, until a person understands himself, no one educates him. And if this person does not understand, then let him walk and live in a hostel, unlike those who have achieved everything in life and now have a car, a beautiful house and wealth, so I’m talking about that. And so, looking at this "Uncle Tolya" and his neighbors, well-deserved people, the question arises: why is he stuck in the mine or risk his life in military service, if you can without straining to get the same apartment as everyone and live for your pleasure.
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            3 October 2017 00: 26
            Quote: verner1967
            And so, looking at this "Uncle Tolya"

            Why don’t you love your uncle Tolya so much? I understand that you have it good. write yourself that " He spends his salary (honestly earned, by the way) because he considers it necessary, does not run amok, does not violate the laws. ", i.e. his salary is honestly earned, which means that he works with full dedication at work, and what you drink at your leisure is not all the same to you. You yourself said that you do not care about him and do not want to re-educate. You just envy him ....
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              3 October 2017 06: 08
              Quote: Alexander Green
              You just envy him ....

              you rightly said about envy, only I do not envy, but the younger generation (some of us)
              Quote: Alexander Green
              at work working with full dedication

              when equalizing socialism, this was not at all necessary, the salary was always given, especially the loader, there was a leftist there, is this a discovery for you? Yes, and about envy. Somehow I met with my classmate, the same "Uncle Tolya", he, as soon as he found out about my pension and salary, went to boiling water. Envy of him, you see. Because he lives in a hut, left to him by his parents and can barely make ends meet. That's what I think in fairness. hi
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                3 October 2017 19: 20
                Quote: verner1967
                when equalizing socialism, this was not at all necessary, the salary was always given, especially the loader, there was a leftist there, is this a discovery for you? Yes, and about envy. I met somehow with my classmate, the same "Uncle Tolya", he, as soon as he found out about my pension and salary, went to boiling water. Envy of him, you see. Because he lives in a hut, left to him by his parents and can barely make ends meet. That's what I think in fairness

                Do not lie, there was no egalitarianism under socialism, especially under Stalin, then much more was paid for skilled labor than for simple labor. For example, in a printing house, a typesetter received up to one and a half thousand, and a simple printer received six hundred rubles.
                And as for justice, as I understand it, during the collapse of the USSR, your comrade was not lucky .. You were lucky, you swam out, so why gloat. Here is a matter of chance.
  14. 0
    1 October 2017 20: 13
    Quote: Kotischa
    Dear Alexander, You are quoting an old Roman proverb - ignorantia legislation non excusat

    Thanks for the help, honestly did not know, the text was written by myself. I remember a similar case, in my youth I read somewhere about one eccentric who, with a surprise at his old age, found out that he speaks in prose. So it is with me.
  15. 0
    3 October 2017 18: 59
    Quote: verner1967
    Quote: Alexander Green
    Merchants all over the world in those days all knew Russian very well.

    You exaggerate, of course, but where were you going to call in a strange city?
    Quote: Alexander Green
    The article defended the state’s monopoly on foreign trade.

    from whom? from poor citizens? What are you talking about?

    Dear, I am not exaggerating, everything that I wrote happened to me. In all ports, the merchants knew Russian better than English, and the Japanese in those days did not want to learn English at all, they remembered the bombing bombardment. That they began to forget today ....
    And, about whom are you going to call, are you malicious or do not really catch up? We asked the dealer to check the phones bought from him, called his home, to which he said that it would be very expensive for him.
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    3 October 2017 19: 28
    Quote: verner1967
    Quote: Alexander Green
    For example, I took their bus with port workers from New Orleans.

    so what

    Like what? You claimed that they all ride in taxis and in their personal cars.